Dwarf allies.

[Khazar]

Just an idea. Instead of having Dwarves allied with bandits and other riff-raff, why not have them ally with sort of indegenous mountain tribes? It doesn't seem characterful of Dwarves to ally with a bunch of bandits (IMO); and them allying with fierce mountatin marauders and warriors seems better, almost like they ally out of mutual respect for strength and resoluteness, and also to defend their ancient homelands. Whaddaya think?

[Dave]

I think it could be reasonable for them to be allied with cobretti's barbarians.

David

[turin]

Just an idea. Instead of having Dwarves allied with bandits and other riff-raff, why not have them ally with sort of indegenous mountain tribes? It doesn't seem characterful of Dwarves to ally with a bunch of bandits (IMO); and them allying with fierce mountatin marauders and warriors seems better, almost like they ally out of mutual respect for strength and resoluteness, and also to defend their ancient homelands. Whaddaya think?

why don't you read the forums before posting?

just joking, but really, there already are plans to have dwarves not allied with outlaws.

I don't like the idea of them aligning with barbarians, though. Which would be dominant? Elves are able to ally with humans because the humans want to, and it is plain who is boss. But there would probably be no agreement between these two; they would want to be separate. the dwarves would not agree to work under barbarians, and vv.

[Khazar]

My bad. I got a lil' eager and wanted to toss an idea out.

[turin]

My bad. I got a lil' eager and wanted to toss an idea out.

Well, actually, no one has proposed the idea you had. Although it had pretty much been decided not to keep dwarves alligned with outlaws.

[Dave]

I do think that the main problem with allying dwarves with a human mountain-type tribe is that the human mountain tribe would probably have very similiar units to what the dwarves have anyway.

David

[Elvish_Pillager]

...and it is plain who is boss...

[Insinuator]

Yeah, what do you mean, it is plain who is boss?

[turin]

Yeah, what do you mean, it is plain who is boss?

I mean the humans know that they are working with the elves, they are aiding them. They are not in a fight for power with the elves. The same wouldn't be true with barbarians and dwarves, IMHO. They would be fighting to get the dwarvish lord/barbarian chief in power.

[Insinuator]

So, who is boss; the human leader, or the elvish leader? And if humans and elves can exist together in harmony, why can't barbarians and dwarves. Are we going to be stereotypically labeling them as vicious and power hungry just because they are uncouth?

[turin]

So, who is boss; the human leader, or the elvish leader? And if humans and elves can exist together in harmony, why can't barbarians and dwarves. Are we going to be stereotypically labeling them as vicious and power hungry just because they are uncouth?

the elvish leader... there is no human leader. That was my whole point. There are a few human units (well, maybe not any at this point- are mages still with the rebels?) aiding a mostly elvish force, and they have no 'leader' unit among them (no general, for example).

The dwarves currently have 2 first level units, but a leader unit, too. So i don't think it makes sense for the dwarves to be working for the barbarians, since they have a leader of their own, but i find it hard to believe that the barbarians wouldn't have a leader (especially since there is already a cool graphic for one. )

[cobretti]

I think it could be reasonable for them to be allied with cobretti's barbarians.

David

I see no problem with it as long as there is some kind of consensus about it. I don't want to create more conflicts with barbarians in the middle.
So, discuss it if people want, and whatever decision is taken, it's ok for me.

[Dave]

So, who is boss; the human leader, or the elvish leader? And if humans and elves can exist together in harmony, why can't barbarians and dwarves. Are we going to be stereotypically labeling them as vicious and power hungry just because they are uncouth?

the elvish leader... there is no human leader. That was my whole point. There are a few human units (well, maybe not any at this point- are mages still with the rebels?) aiding a mostly elvish force, and they have no 'leader' unit among them (no general, for example).

Hmm...it really strikes me that the 'Rebels' aren't really 'Rebels' if they are composed mostly of Elves.

Elves don't have allegiance to the human crown of Wesnoth. They have their own rulers, and while they don't control borders firm enough to be called a 'nation', they are definitely a seperate people.

David

[SteelP]

I've got some nice ideas for them (as baddies, sorry), but by now I don´t have the time to translate all my "story" about Wesnoth... If you like the idea (and no better ideas are posted before) perhaps at the end of the month I could tell you all about

[Roel]

If dwarves and barbarians both live in the mountains wouldn't it be more likely that they are not friends? As they are obviously very different and need the same space to live? If it where so, it would make sence for the dwarves to make some monster-pact (like the flemish people did to get the dutch out ) with people they would usually not like, just to get rid of the barbarians.