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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
I mean, it's suggestive as to being a criminal act, but it's honestly what they are if the intent is they are anti-building or anti-siege weapon units in lore. And Arsonist is a nice sounding name, has a ring to it, a unique sound in a sea of names. We have suggestive names that are not true to the 't'. I doubt many, if any royal guards I've leveled have ever been actual royal guards. I've have some paladins slay villagers despite a paladins generally not doing that kind of thing, pillagers have friendly chats with locals in move to events with villages instead of, you know, pillaging.
That said my only real piece of advice is probably don't use "Flamer". It's more seen attached to internet trolls nowadays but I'm not sure the connotations it has involving gays has fully passed.
And I guess if Pyromaniac is deemed bad (though I have no problem with it) Pyro by itself is just shorthand for it and therefor isn't probably better. Pyrotrooper at least takes the root and uses it instead of leaving it vague to fill in the blank.
(Arsonist -> Scorcher -> Annihilator is the one I like the best though Firebrand and Pyrotrooper are both alright)
That said my only real piece of advice is probably don't use "Flamer". It's more seen attached to internet trolls nowadays but I'm not sure the connotations it has involving gays has fully passed.
And I guess if Pyromaniac is deemed bad (though I have no problem with it) Pyro by itself is just shorthand for it and therefor isn't probably better. Pyrotrooper at least takes the root and uses it instead of leaving it vague to fill in the blank.
(Arsonist -> Scorcher -> Annihilator is the one I like the best though Firebrand and Pyrotrooper are both alright)
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
What about:
Fire Thrower -> Firebrand -> Pyrotrooper
Firebrand -> Scorcher -> Pyrotrooper
Fire Thrower -> Firebrand -> Pyrotrooper
Firebrand -> Scorcher -> Pyrotrooper
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
So, the names for the Naffat on the last 3 pages are as follows:
The passable ones for me are: Combuster, Firebrand, Igniter, Scorcher, Pyro (is it a problem that it's Greek?), Pyrotrooper (I think Firetrooper might sound better) and Torcher. Two more possibilities could be Engineer and Conflagrator. Oh, and there's also Naffat which I still think we could keep. In any case, I'm unsure on which ones would be the best and in which order.
I think Annihilator is too over the top, Arsonist and Pyromaniac make it seem like he's a deranged criminal, Burner is already used for Drakes and can be avoided, Firespitter seems more like a name for a Drake, Firestorm and Inferno seem like spell names, Flamer makes me think of internet trolls, Firethrower is a bit meh and Incinerator makes me think of a machine.Annihilator, Arsonist, Burner, Combuster, Firebrand, Firespitter, Firestorm, Firethrower, Flamer, Igniter, Incinerator, Inferno, Scorcher, Pyro, Pyromaniac, Pyrotrooper, Torcher
The passable ones for me are: Combuster, Firebrand, Igniter, Scorcher, Pyro (is it a problem that it's Greek?), Pyrotrooper (I think Firetrooper might sound better) and Torcher. Two more possibilities could be Engineer and Conflagrator. Oh, and there's also Naffat which I still think we could keep. In any case, I'm unsure on which ones would be the best and in which order.
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
Another attempt for the Jundi line.
I still like commando for the Mighwar, I find Flanker a little underwhelming for the unit. Not sure what else to suggest at the moment.
Some alternatives to the Jundi -> Batal that would reduce repetition compared to Fighter -> Warrior -> Champion:
Battler -> Warrior -> Champion
Fighter -> Battler -> Champion
Fighter -> Warrior -> Ranger
Combining & shuffling the latest suggestions from Deciton_Reven, Pentarctagon, & Caladbolg for the Naffat line:
I still like commando for the Mighwar, I find Flanker a little underwhelming for the unit. Not sure what else to suggest at the moment.
Jundi Line
Battler -> Warrior -> Champion
Fighter -> Battler -> Champion
Fighter -> Warrior -> Ranger
Combining & shuffling the latest suggestions from Deciton_Reven, Pentarctagon, & Caladbolg for the Naffat line:
Naffat Line
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
Rover is an interesting choice that could work well if we're going with the "liminal units are nomadic, lawful units are city-dwellers" angle, and ranger fits into that same theme. Mercenary on the other hand doesn't seem to fit. Skirmisher is fine, commando doesn't seem bad either.
So basically I think that name scheme for the jundi line is good, except for the muharib. I wonder if just scout would work? So you have rover -> scout -> ranger... or maybe scout -> rover -> ranger... I dunno...
As for that naffat suggestion (Sigurd's, to be quite clear) - it does seem to be the best I've seen so far, I guess. I'm least satisfied with "scorcher".
So basically I think that name scheme for the jundi line is good, except for the muharib. I wonder if just scout would work? So you have rover -> scout -> ranger... or maybe scout -> rover -> ranger... I dunno...
As for that naffat suggestion (Sigurd's, to be quite clear) - it does seem to be the best I've seen so far, I guess. I'm least satisfied with "scorcher".
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
I like Sigurd's Naffat suggestions as well, though I do also think Scorcher is a little bit lackluster for a level three unit. Pyrotrooper or Firestorm would be better, I think, and both of which sound like they could be the basis for a pretty flavorful unit description.
For the Jundi line, how about:
Jundi -> Dune Wanderer
Muharib -> Dune Adventurer
Batal -> Dune Explorer
Monawish -> Dune Skirmisher
Mighwar -> Dune Commander
I'm still not overly happy with the Skirmisher name, but I can't think of anything I like better at the moment either.
For the Jundi line, how about:
Jundi -> Dune Wanderer
Muharib -> Dune Adventurer
Batal -> Dune Explorer
Monawish -> Dune Skirmisher
Mighwar -> Dune Commander
I'm still not overly happy with the Skirmisher name, but I can't think of anything I like better at the moment either.
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
Perhaps Guerrilla or Operative? Guerrilla in particular would tie into what a Commando is (A small squad or member there of that specializes in tricky assaults) by being a step down in being far less trained and more reliant on tricky skirmishes in their home terrain instead of all terrains, while being a step up from a Wanderer in goals of moving around in tricky terrain.Pentarctagon wrote:I'm still not overly happy with the Skirmisher name, but I can't think of anything I like better at the moment either.
I have to agree Scorcher is not very level three sounding, maybe a level one. A scorching desert heat is thematic and all but actual fire > being hot every time when it comes to intensity.
Maybe Firespitter -> Firebrand -> Firestorm? Really hammer in that fire while showing the control they have over it as they level up. From having fire but is not proficient with the device quite yet causing it to spit and sputter during use, to being the one that wields the fire instead of just having it, to being so skilled it seems like they are in complete control over the flames even after they are shot from the device.
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
Burner -> Scorcher -> Pyro/PyrotrooperPentarctagon wrote:I like Sigurd's Naffat suggestions as well, though I do also think Scorcher is a little bit lackluster for a level three unit. Pyrotrooper or Firestorm would be better, I think, and both of which sound like they could be the basis for a pretty flavorful unit description.
I'm in favor of this variant.
This suggestions not really corresponds to current Batal line description and idea. Jundi's description is flat and basically just describes him as if it was strategy subforum. Muharib's and Batal's descriptions hint that they are raiders, pilferers and pillagers. Now they are definitely not supposed to be explorers of unknown lands. So I don't think that would work.Pentarctagon wrote: For the Jundi line, how about:
Jundi -> Dune Wanderer
Muharib -> Dune Adventurer
Batal -> Dune Explorer
However they are indeed gameplaywise have similarities with Dwarvish Explorer. If done this way maybe description can be changed to make Muharib and Batal actually explorers, who travel to the unknown, seek for water sources and fertile land, fight with terrible beast out there to clear the path for their nomad people and heard of horses.
I don't understand there er comes from. It changes meaning from special forces to the commanding officer.Pentarctagon wrote: Monawish -> Dune Skirmisher
Mighwar -> Dune Commander
I'm still not overly happy with the Skirmisher name, but I can't think of anything I like better at the moment either.
May I suggest the name Harrier?
So my sugggestions are:
-->Skirmisher-->Harrier
-->Commando-->Harrier
-->Flanker-->Harrier
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
At this point, I'd rather change the unit names to something more suitable, then if necessary the descriptions can be updated as well. I had assumed at least some would need updates anyway, to be honest, and I'd say most could probably be improved to be more interesting.Airatgaljamov wrote:This suggestions not really corresponds to current Batal line description and idea. Jundi's description is flat and basically just describes him as if it was strategy subforum. Muharib's and Batal's descriptions hint that they are raiders, pilferers and pillagers. Now they are definitely not supposed to be explorers of unknown lands. So I don't think that would work.Pentarctagon wrote: For the Jundi line, how about:
Jundi -> Dune Wanderer
Muharib -> Dune Adventurer
Batal -> Dune Explorer
However they are indeed gameplaywise have similarities with Dwarvish Explorer. If done this way maybe description can be changed to make Muharib and Batal actually explorers, who travel to the unknown, seek for water sources and fertile land, fight with terrible beast out there to clear the path for their nomad people and heard of horses.
Commando to me seems like a much more modern name, so I was trying to keep it similar while removing the modern-ness of it.Airatgaljamov wrote:I don't understand there er comes from. It changes meaning from special forces to the commanding officer.Pentarctagon wrote: Monawish -> Dune Skirmisher
Mighwar -> Dune Commander
I'm still not overly happy with the Skirmisher name, but I can't think of anything I like better at the moment either.
May I suggest the name Harrier?
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
The Arif -> Ghazi runoff poll is up. It will run for two days, and everyone gets one vote.
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Wanderer -> adventurer -> explorer seems pretty decent. I definitely prefer commando to commander; if you want it to seem less modern, you'd need to think of another word with a similar meaning to commando, rather than a word that sounds similar. The suggestion of harrier seems decent, actually.
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
An attempt to solve issues with Scorcher in my last Naffat suggestion:
Scorcher -> Firebrand -> Firetrooper
Firebrand -> Scorcher -> Firetrooper
Firebrand -> Firebug -> Firetrooper
Firebug -> Firebrand -> Firetrooper
It seems like several here want to avoid Burner because of the duplication. If the Draker Burner hadn't taken it, I think it would have been a shoe-in for L1 or L2.
Dealing with issues with Mercenary for my last Jundi -> Batal line suggestion:
Rover -> Adventurer -> Ranger
Rover -> Explorer -> Ranger
Rover -> Adventurer -> Explorer
my preference would be for
Harrier -> Commando
Skirmisher -> Harrier
Scorcher -> Firebrand -> Firetrooper
Firebrand -> Scorcher -> Firetrooper
Firebrand -> Firebug -> Firetrooper
Firebug -> Firebrand -> Firetrooper
I'd be fine with Burner -> Scorcher -> Firetrooper/Pyrotrooper.Airatgaljamov wrote:Burner -> Scorcher -> Pyro/Pyrotrooper
I'm in favor of this variant.
It seems like several here want to avoid Burner because of the duplication. If the Draker Burner hadn't taken it, I think it would have been a shoe-in for L1 or L2.
Dealing with issues with Mercenary for my last Jundi -> Batal line suggestion:
Rover -> Adventurer -> Ranger
Rover -> Explorer -> Ranger
Rover -> Adventurer -> Explorer
I am starting to warm up to Harrier.Airatgaljamov wrote:May I suggest the name Harrier?
So my sugggestions are:
-->Skirmisher-->Harrier
-->Commando-->Harrier
-->Flanker-->Harrier
my preference would be for
Harrier -> Commando
Skirmisher -> Harrier
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
So, in order to try to get this all in before 1.13.11 is released on February 4th, I'm going to be starting separate threads for the Jundi and Naffat line renaming polls once the current poll in this thread ends.
Based on the last couple pages, for the Jundi -> Muharib -> Batal suggestions are:
Based on the last couple pages, for the Jundi -> Muharib -> Batal suggestions are:
The Monawish -> Mighwar line suggestions are:Light Infantryman > Mercenary > Veteran
Fighter -> Warrior -> Ranger
Wanderer -> Adventurer -> Explorer
Rover -> Adventurer -> Explorer
Rover -> Adventurer -> Ranger
Fighter -> Warrior -> Champion
Irregular -> Mercenary -> Veteran
Rover -> Roamer -> Wanderer
Mercenary -> Flanker -> Saboteur
Mercenary -> Ranger -> Saboteur
Rover -> Explorer -> Ranger
And the Naffat -> Qatif-al-nar -> Tineen line suggestions are:Skirmisher -> Commando
Skirmisher -> Harrier
Commando -> Harrier
Flanker -> Harrier
Harrier -> Commando
Duelist -> Champion
If anyone has any additional suggestions, or would like any of their suggestions above not included, please say so prior to the polls starting tomorrow. Also, for additional suggestions, please post the whole unit line rather than just a single name idea for a single unit. There will likely be runoff polls, and as a Forum Admin I can increase the maximum number of poll options temporarily to accommodate there being a lot of ideas, but I am not going to add a single name and all possible variations of it combined with the above suggested lines, and then create a poll with 50, 100, or more options.Firebrand -> Firespitter -> Firestorm
Fire Thrower -> Firebrand -> Pyrotrooper
Firebrand -> Scorcher -> Pyrotrooper
Firespitter -> Firebrand -> Firestorm
Burner -> Scorcher -> Firetrooper
Scorcher -> Combuster -> Wildfire
Scorcher -> Combuster -> Firetrooper
Firebrand -> Scorcher -> Firetrooper
Torcher -> Firebrand -> Firetrooper
Naffat -> Scorcher -> Firetrooper
Firemaker -> Firemaster -> Firelord
Firewielder -> Firemaster -> Firelord
Flamemaker -> Flamemaster -> Flamelord
Flamewielder -> Flamemaster -> Flamelord
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
I'm not sure where "firebug" came from, but that's giving me some ideas...
And apropos of nothing, I'll throw out one other idea unrelated to the above (though admittedly a Greek one): Pyrophile.
(I'll decide whether to propose a full unit line depending on responses to these.)
- Firebird - presumably this would refer to their upgraded flamethrower.
- Fireflight or some minor variation of it
- Firewind, Windfire, Flamewind
- Firewhirl or flamewhirl
- Firebeast
And apropos of nothing, I'll throw out one other idea unrelated to the above (though admittedly a Greek one): Pyrophile.
(I'll decide whether to propose a full unit line depending on responses to these.)
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Re: [mainline] Changing the Dunefolk's(Khalifate's) unit nam
Just to note they should be the other way around. Batal - warrior line, Mighwar - skirmisher line. SoPentarctagon wrote: Based on the last couple pages, for the Jundi -> Monawish -> Mighwar line suggestions are:The Muharib -> Batal suggestions are:Fighter -> Mercenary -> Gladiator
Light Infantryman > Mercenary > Veteran
Battler -> Warrior -> Champion
Fighter -> Battler -> Champion
Fighter -> Warrior -> Ranger
Rover -> Mercenary -> Ranger
Wanderer -> Adventurer -> Explorer
Rover -> Adventurer -> Ranger
Rover -> Explorer -> Ranger
Rover -> Adventurer -> ExplorerSkirmisher -> Commando
Skirmisher -> Harrier
Commando -> Harrier
Flanker -> Harrier
Harrier -> Commando
Jundi -> Muharib -> Batal
-> Monawish -> MighwarFighter -> Mercenary -> Gladiator
Light Infantryman > Mercenary > Veteran
Battler -> Warrior -> Champion
Fighter -> Battler -> Champion
Fighter -> Warrior -> Ranger
Rover -> Mercenary -> Ranger
Wanderer -> Adventurer -> Explorer
Rover -> Adventurer -> Ranger
Rover -> Explorer -> Ranger
Rover -> Adventurer -> Explorer
And horseman lines are decided, right?Skirmisher -> Commando
Skirmisher -> Harrier
Commando -> Harrier
Flanker -> Harrier
Harrier -> Commando