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20081020 00:01:42<       CIA-41> esr * r30274 /trunk/data/tools/trackplacer: trackplacer: fix minor bug in computing redraw colors.
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20081020 00:04:45<      fendrin> hi
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20081020 00:41:49<       AI0867> can I use string format stuff inside translatable strings?
20081020 00:42:05<       AI0867> as in _("translatable sentence about unit %s blah blah")
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20081020 03:50:03<      Sapient> AI0867: yes, but there is already a method for that
20081020 03:53:47<      Sapient> std::string vgettext()
20081020 04:01:21<      Sapient> although, looking at the implementation, it is really not clear why it has this line:
20081020 04:01:30<      Sapient> 	const std::string orig(_(msgid));
20081020 04:01:49<      Sapient> since marking msgid as translateable doesn't make sense
20081020 04:03:38<      Sapient> I guess it doesn't hurt either
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20081020 04:10:35<        grrrX> "algorithms for programmers" - free e-book: http://www.jjj.de/fxt/fxtbook.pdf.gz 
20081020 04:14:18<      Sapient> If you want to set a link to the fxtbook please use http://www.jjj.de/fxt/#fxtbook instead of directly linking to one of the files (e.g. fxtbook.pdf). 
20081020 04:14:49<        grrrX> yes, I read that as well
20081020 04:14:57<        grrrX> and found the other link to be confusing
20081020 04:17:35<       CIA-41> esr * r30275 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
20081020 04:17:35<       CIA-41> Journey track chgange and a few text contnuity tweaks to re-set SoF
20081020 04:17:35<       CIA-41> in the southern Heart Mountains as zookeeper suggested. This actually
20081020 04:17:35<       CIA-41> works on several levels, including making the trip north to find Thursagan
20081020 04:17:35<       CIA-41> actually difficult.
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20081020 04:31:25<      Sapient> what is the point of empty dir wesnothd\src\mapgen ?
20081020 04:32:33<      Sapient> wesbot: log 30246
20081020 04:32:46<       wesbot> ilor * r30246 : changelog entry for bug#12426 fix
20081020 04:32:46<       wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=30246
20081020 04:34:31<          Pk4> hey Sapient
20081020 04:34:42<      Sapient> yo Pk
20081020 04:34:45<          Pk4> just to ask, was your code for surprise supposed to work for when in ambush mode?
20081020 04:34:52<          Pk4> I don't mind if its not. its still okay.
20081020 04:35:06<          Pk4> I just don't think it was working properly when from ambush.
20081020 04:35:15<      Sapient> as I said, it only works if you were not visible to any enemy at the beginning of your turn
20081020 04:35:29<          Pk4> yeah I mean like hiding in the terrain at the beggining
20081020 04:35:34<      Sapient> if you happen to walk into a forest during your turn, it doesn't count
20081020 04:35:47<         ESR_> Hah! I;ve solved the worst SoF continuity problem!
20081020 04:35:50<          Pk4> I was testing it and I don't think it had an effect.
20081020 04:35:52<          Pk4> but it doesn't matter.
20081020 04:36:09<      Sapient> Pk4: right, I thought I made that clear when I submitted it
20081020 04:36:27<          Pk4> xD yeah
20081020 04:36:30<          Pk4> I was just checkin' again.
20081020 04:36:52<      Sapient> It could be done probably
20081020 04:36:59<          Pk4> meh.
20081020 04:37:22<      Sapient> just under the wml_filter add a [or][filter_vision]visible=false
20081020 04:37:36<         ESR_> I found a way to re-set SoF in the southern Heart Mountains that actually makes the place where the Scepter is found in HttT a reasonable place for it to end up.
20081020 04:38:20<       Sirp__> ESR_: sorry I got distracted this morning and didn't respond to you: I will look at the new map and see all the changes; they sound good though.
20081020 04:39:03<      Sapient> Pk4: I can't gaurantee it will work tho
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20081020 04:39:56<         ESR_> Sirp: I've got a fresh one, a name for the really nasty patch of high peaks in the Heart Mountains north of Wesmere.  The Heartfangs - dwarvish name 
20081020 04:40:40<       Sirp__> "fangs" = "mountains" and "heart" = "core/center"?
20081020 04:41:08<         ESR_> Sirp: Exactly.
20081020 04:41:18<       Sirp__> sounds reasonable. :)
20081020 04:41:19<      Sapient> how about the Happy Tips
20081020 04:42:14<         ESR_> The Dwarves who live there (which is all of the ones we know about) think of the Heart Mountains as the heart of the Great Continent.
20081020 04:43:06<         ESR_> I'm supposing that elves and men picked up their names for that area.
20081020 04:44:05<      Sapient> elves thought that it sounded cute
20081020 04:44:54<      Sapient> and the humans began planning a "Heart Attack"
20081020 04:49:22<         ESR_> Sapient: Dude, I'm trying to take this historian thing seriously.  
20081020 04:49:57<      Sapient> hah sorry I'm giving you a hard time ;)
20081020 04:51:51<      Sapient> ESR_: so do you hate drakes yet? ^_^
20081020 04:52:04<         ESR_> Sapient: Nope.
20081020 04:53:14<      Sapient> ah, well I guess they fit in well enough for my part
20081020 04:54:04<      Sapient> though I assumed there was some continuity reason driving turin's hatred
20081020 04:54:59<         ESR_> Sapient: I'm told he actually wanted Irdya to be earth in the far past or something, same sort of idea Tolkien flirted with about Middle-Earth.
20081020 04:55:27<         ESR_> Drakes screwed that up in some way.
20081020 04:55:40<      Sapient> oh, well it does make more sense from that perspective
20081020 04:55:49<      Sapient> why he would hate them, that is
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20081020 04:58:17<         ESR_> Sapient: It's a good thing you encouraged me.  The history timeline badly needed an update, especially with LoW becoming canonical.  I think you'll find it's a lot more detailed now.  Als, all campaigns on tyhe Great Continent have dates on it now.
20081020 04:58:58<      Sapient> groovy
20081020 04:59:32<      Sapient> You are a better turin than turin ;)
20081020 05:00:17<      Sapient> trunk is not building for me BTW
20081020 05:02:10<       CIA-41> esr * r30276 /trunk/data/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Contnuity fix: the SoF Caverns of Flame now coincide with the HttT ones.
20081020 05:04:19<         ESR_> Sapient: turin's a bitchin' great campaign designer, but he doesn't obsess about the right kinds of details to invent good history.  Me, I was actually *bothered* that the SoF Caverns of Flame were half the width of the continent away from the Caverns of Flame in HttT.
20081020 05:04:37<         ESR_> ...so I fixed it :-)
20081020 05:05:00<      Sapient> yes, and you aren't afraid to jump in and move ancient boundary stones
20081020 05:05:16<      Sapient> even though it is likely to kick up dust ;)
20081020 05:05:35<         ESR_> I dunno, nobody's complaining so far.
20081020 05:05:52<       Sirp__> people don't complain about things like that as much
20081020 05:06:13<      Sapient> If I know the Wesnoth community, there will be probably one person who complains about it in two months
20081020 05:06:21<         ESR_> Heh.
20081020 05:06:25<      Sapient> then possibly two other will join in chorus
20081020 05:06:38<      Sapient> I wouldn't worry about it
20081020 05:06:48<         ESR_> I'm not going to.
20081020 05:08:00<         ESR_> Instead, I'm going to try to reverse-engineer Kestenvarn's mapmaking techniques.  I'm already partway there; EI has a new map overlay to go with all its new placenames and coninuity fixes.
20081020 05:08:30<      Sapient> didn't Kest already do a mapmaking tutorial?
20081020 05:08:38<         ESR_> II'd like to get good enough to replace the ugly SoTBE map.
20081020 05:08:54<         ESR_> If you know where it is, please point me at it.
20081020 05:09:26<      Sapient> yes, I distinctly remember it. probably it was in the art development forum
20081020 05:09:37 * ESR_ searches.
20081020 05:09:42<      Sapient> I'll do a quick search as well
20081020 05:12:50<      Sapient> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=10131
20081020 05:16:39<      Sapient> src\gui\widgets\image.hpp|28|undefined reference to `VTT for gui2::timage'|
20081020 05:17:03<      Sapient> "it means that you declared but did not implement a virtual method."
20081020 05:18:34<      Sapient> in this case, it looks like the virtual destructor is missing
20081020 05:19:02<      Sapient> so... am I the only one this doesn't compile for?
20081020 05:20:01<       CIA-41> esr * r30277 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/map-howto.txt: Add a useful pointer to the map-howto.
20081020 05:20:34<         ESR_> Sapient: Checking compilation.
20081020 05:20:57<      Sapient> s/compile/link
20081020 05:21:44<         ESR_> Linking just fine using the GNU toolchain on Ubuntu.  Perhaps the corrosive evil that is Microsoft has finally caught up with you :-)
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20081020 05:22:04<      Sapient> you underestimate the power of the dark side
20081020 05:23:35<      Sapient> besides, I am using gcc :(
20081020 05:24:11 * ESR_ concedes that it would be cool to shoot purple lightning from his fingertips, but no thanks.
20081020 05:26:09<      Sapient> when I used MSVC, it was annoying to clean up platform incompatibilities before whatever small change I wanted to do
20081020 05:26:26<      Sapient> but even that was faster than waiting for gcc to build
20081020 05:26:26<       wesbot> Sapient: Sometimes we are fast
20081020 05:29:22<      Sapient> I am going to add virtual ~timage() {} to image.hpp
20081020 05:29:39 * Sapient begins build
20081020 05:34:37<      Sapient> ah, same problem
20081020 05:35:00<       CIA-41> esr * r30278 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/map-howto.txt: Typo fix.
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20081020 05:35:11<      Sapient> 	using tcontrol::get_best_size;  // I wonder if that one is the problem?
20081020 05:43:21<      Sapient> bah, still same problem
20081020 05:44:05<      Sapient> I really wish this error would state which virtual function is missing
20081020 05:47:23<      Sapient> this is too annoying; I am going to just commit my changes without linking
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20081020 05:56:00<      Sapient> hopefully someone with my version of gcc and a faster computer will sort it out
20081020 06:00:09<       Sirp__> Sapient: what's the error you're getting?
20081020 06:00:44<      Sapient> <Sapient> src\gui\widgets\image.hpp|28|undefined reference to `VTT for gui2::timage'|
20081020 06:00:44<      Sapient> <
20081020 06:03:35<       CIA-41> sapient * r30279 /trunk/ (changelog src/game_events.cpp): quick hack to restore event locations after fire_event
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20081020 06:49:24<       CIA-41> esr * r30280 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/map-howto.txt: Another note on Kestenvarn's tutorial.
20081020 06:49:34<         ESR_> Sapient: You changes build here OK.
20081020 07:06:29<      Sapient> ok
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20081020 13:25:53<       CIA-41> esr * r30281 /trunk/data/ (22 files in 5 dirs): wmllint missed a case in converting the track-marking macros.
20081020 13:31:37<       CIA-41> esr * r30282 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/ (scenarios/Epilogue.cfg utils/journey.cfg): Add stage 2 of Alanin's ride south.
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20081020 16:26:04<       CIA-41> esr * r30283 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/ (20 files in 2 dirs): 
20081020 16:26:04<       CIA-41> Son of The Black Eye gets a journey file.
20081020 16:26:05<       CIA-41> The map needs to be redone, but at least now the WML changes to go
20081020 16:26:05<       CIA-41> with that will be localized.
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20081020 16:28:16<       CIA-41> esr * r30284 /trunk/data/tools/ (README journeylifter): Added new tool, journeylifter, for converting UMC to use trackplacer format.
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20081020 20:42:53<       CIA-41> esr * r30285 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (33 files in 10 dirs): 
20081020 20:42:53<       CIA-41> Refactor uses of track files so that all information about map backgrounds
20081020 20:42:53<       CIA-41> lives inside them, rather than being exposed in scenario files. This means
20081020 20:42:53<       CIA-41> that map artists can cerate new maps without having to touch scenario text
20081020 20:42:53<       CIA-41> to make the changes effective.
20081020 20:59:48<       CIA-41> esr * r30286 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
20081020 20:59:48<       CIA-41> It's silly to call an alliabce "Ancient" when it was made 25 years ago and
20081020 20:59:48<       CIA-41> broken since.
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20081020 22:09:40<       CIA-41> esr * r30287 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/utils/ (trow-bigmap.cfg trow-green-isle-journey.cfg): Make Gren Isle tracks of The Rise of Wesnoth trackplacer-editable.
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20081020 23:14:08-!- Irssi: Topic: -: 51 bugs, 207 feature requests, 8 patches
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20081020 23:14:09-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 53 bugs, 207 feature requests, 8 patches | logs: http://irclog.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste, http://paste.debian.net, http://pastebin.ca
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