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What test do you want, exactly? 20081023 01:21:25-!- West [n=West@hd5e2754c.gavlegardarna.gavle.to] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 01:29:20-!- BenUrban__ is now known as BenUrban 20081023 01:29:45< grrrX> ESR_, I think it would be nice if wmllint tested whether files referenced in WML can be read at all 20081023 01:30:13< ESR_> It already does an existence check. 20081023 01:30:27< ESR_> What nore do you want? 20081023 01:30:49< grrrX> even for images and such? 20081023 01:31:15-!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081023 01:34:05< grrrX> I don't see it. perhaps that's due to [binary_path] 20081023 01:45:30-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 01:51:47< ESR_> grrrX: What it does is make a data structure containing all files that exist in the tree, and then check all references...oh, wait. You want wnmlscope. 20081023 01:52:12< ESR_> wmlscope, I mean. wmllint doesn't do that check. 20081023 01:52:43< ESR_> For both checks, go to data/tools and type 'make'. 20081023 01:55:42-!- Mordocai [n=Mordocai@66.119.9.243] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 01:55:56-!- Mordocai [n=Mordocai@66.119.9.243] has quit [Client Quit] 20081023 01:56:14-!- Mordocai [n=Mordocai@66.119.9.243] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 02:16:23-!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 02:23:20-!- Mordocai [n=Mordocai@66.119.9.243] has quit ["trying something, brb"] 20081023 02:29:46-!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBE740.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20081023 02:30:22-!- PK [n=pk@r74-192-44-206.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 02:31:12-!- Shadow_Master [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 02:37:20< Shadow_Maste> hi [Relic] 20081023 02:37:22< Shadow_Maste> :) 20081023 02:51:39< Shadow_Maste> interesting, the smiling monster isn't smiling... 20081023 02:56:12-!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081023 03:03:52-!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! 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Tracks one of sukko's reverted changes. No game effects. 20081023 09:53:31< CIA-41> esr * r30317 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: More AI logging cleanup. 20081023 09:54:02< CIA-41> esr * r30318 /trunk/src/ai_move.cpp: 20081023 09:54:02< CIA-41> Minor improvements in attack target selection, from sukko's r29531 20081023 09:54:02< CIA-41> (peviiously reverted as emergency fix). 20081023 09:54:33< CIA-41> esr * r30319 /trunk/src/ai_attack.cpp: 20081023 09:54:33< CIA-41> Sukko's "wasn't 100% successful" (but better than nothing) attempt to 20081023 09:54:33< CIA-41> get the AI to include poson bonuses when it figures power projection. 20081023 09:54:33< CIA-41> From r29531, previously reverted as an emergency fix. 20081023 09:54:53< CIA-41> esr * r30320 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: Better error logging, from one of sukko's reverted commits. No game effects. 20081023 09:55:28< CIA-41> esr * r30321 /trunk/src/ai_move.cpp: 20081023 09:55:28< CIA-41> suollo's improvement for adding villages vulnerable to enrmy attack to 20081023 09:55:28< CIA-41> the list of move targets, from r29531 (previously reverted as an 20081023 09:55:28< CIA-41> emergency fix). 20081023 09:56:30< CIA-41> esr * r30322 /trunk/src/formula_ai.cpp: Cosmetic code cleanup from one of sukko's commits. No game effects. 20081023 09:56:47< CIA-41> esr * r30323 /trunk/src/ (ai.cpp ai.hpp ai_interface.hpp formula_ai.cpp formula_ai.hpp): 20081023 09:56:47< CIA-41> Merged formula ai to default ai (formula makes moves first and handles 20081023 09:56:47< CIA-41> recruiting if scenario includes formulas). 20081023 09:56:47< CIA-41> This is ported forward from suokko's commit 29484, which had previously 20081023 09:56:48< CIA-41> been reverted as an emergency fix. 20081023 09:56:55< CIA-41> esr * r30324 /trunk/src/formula_ai.cpp: One-line correction to previous diff (formula AI merge). 20081023 09:58:28< CIA-41> esr * r30325 /trunk/src/filesystem.cpp: Supress annoying message to stderr. 20081023 09:58:32< CIA-41> esr * r30326 /trunk/src/ai_move.cpp: More suppression of dubious error messages. 20081023 09:58:46< CIA-41> esr * r30327 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: Make a non-fatal error nonfatal. 20081023 09:58:49< CIA-41> esr * r30328 /trunk/src/ai_move.cpp: Suppress another annoying progress message. 20081023 09:58:50< CIA-41> esr * r30329 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: Minor optimization suggested by one of suokko's commits. No game effects. 20081023 09:59:33< CIA-41> esr * r30330 /trunk/src/ (ai.cpp ai_attack.cpp ai_move.cpp ai_village.cpp): Document some of suokko's weighting tweaks (without actually applying them) in FIXME comments. 20081023 09:59:40< CIA-41> esr * r30331 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: 20081023 09:59:40< CIA-41> Merge in suokko's method of evaluating recruitment value for a leader 20081023 09:59:40< CIA-41> not on a keep, because this may be useful to enable an decision that a 20081023 09:59:40< CIA-41> leader should move to a keep in order to recruit rather than fighting. 20081023 09:59:57< CIA-41> esr * r30332 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: 20081023 09:59:57< CIA-41> Prevent units damaged units from moving to villages where they are 20081023 09:59:57< CIA-41> likely to get whacked on the next turn (because the village 20081023 09:59:57< CIA-41> vulnerability exceeds their remaining hitpoints). Make leaders 20081023 09:59:58< CIA-41> twice as cautious this way. 20081023 10:00:00< CIA-41> Idea from one of suokko's patches, but the implementation of the 20081023 10:00:02< CIA-41> leader-caution effect was wrong. 20081023 10:00:26< CIA-41> esr * r30333 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: Notice when a unit moving to attack should be a support target. 20081023 10:13:28< ESR_> .... I see CIA woke up... 20081023 10:33:52-!- suokko_ [n=suokko@vipunen.hut.fi] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 20081023 10:35:19-!- suokko [n=suokko@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 10:46:10-!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081023 10:48:15-!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20081023 10:54:24-!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBE740.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081023 10:55:00-!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBF27D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 11:03:38< CIA-41> esr * r30334 /trunk/src/ (ai.cpp ai_attack.cpp ai_move.cpp): 20081023 11:03:38< CIA-41> More merging in of code (commented and conditioned out) from sukoo's 20081023 11:03:38< CIA-41> 29531. It's up to someone who understands AI tuning better than I do 20081023 11:03:38< CIA-41> to decid which, if any, of these pieces of code should become active. 20081023 11:14:09-!- Irssi: Topic: -: 50 bugs, 207 feature requests, 8 patches 20081023 11:14:09-!- Irssi: Topic: +: 49 bugs, 207 feature requests, 8 patches 20081023 11:14:09-!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 49 bugs, 207 feature requests, 8 patches | logs: http://irclog.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste, http://paste.debian.net, http://pastebin.ca 20081023 11:46:05< CIA-41> esr * r30335 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/01_The_Elves_Besieged.cfg: (log message trimmed) 20081023 11:46:05< CIA-41> Zookeeper is right, it *is* silly that Galdrad issues his "I am 20081023 11:46:05< CIA-41> Galdrad. you will have to fight me to get any further!" and then gets 20081023 11:46:05< CIA-41> hammered flat almost instantly. So let's power him up a little. With 20081023 11:46:05< CIA-41> the number of orcs in play it's not going to actually affect scenario 20081023 11:46:09< CIA-41> balance noticeably. 20081023 11:46:11< CIA-41> (Yes, zookeeper is also right, he should be an Elvish Marshal. But 20081023 11:52:10< CIA-41> esr * r30336 /trunk/ (RELEASE_NOTES players_changelog): Updated some logs with significant news. 20081023 12:02:46-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 12:03:05-!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 12:04:45< CIA-41> esr * r30337 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/03_Kalian.cfg: Prevent some "Deprecated WML found: Trying to recruit..." messages reported by loonycyborg. 20081023 12:18:09< CIA-41> esr * r30338 /trunk/ (8 files in 5 dirs): 20081023 12:18:09< CIA-41> Abolish wesnoth-httt.jpg. It was visually identical to wesnoth.png 20081023 12:18:09< CIA-41> except for missing the new toponyms I added after 1.5.5; several of 20081023 12:18:10< CIA-41> these are actually relevant in HttT. 20081023 12:22:50-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 12:23:10-!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 12:24:06-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20081023 12:45:55< CIA-41> esr * r30339 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/ (great-continent.xcf map-howto.txt): Merge Dan'Tonk onto the Towns layer, and rename Names to Human Names. 20081023 12:55:32-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. 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I've composed campaign-specific overlays for DiD, LoW, and EI and have plans for a few others. 20081023 13:37:27< ESR_> Do you have any specific cartographic-feature requests for rgw campaigns you watch over? 20081023 13:37:50< ESR_> s/rgw/the/ 20081023 13:38:15< ESR_> (When my tyoing gets *that* bad, it's time to sleep...) 20081023 13:43:52< zookeeper> hmm 20081023 13:44:02< CIA-41> zookeeper * r30342 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Updated changelogs. 20081023 13:44:08< zookeeper> not that i can think of right now 20081023 13:45:13< zookeeper> of course there's always a lot of small stuff that could be used, like putting a small outpost/cave/etc icons in the mountains for each SoF scenario, and so on 20081023 13:46:16< zookeeper> but no major suggestions really. 20081023 13:52:55< loonycyborg> ESR_: Now Galtrid recruits but doesn't move his units. Is this intended? 20081023 13:53:15< loonycyborg> (In third scenario of LoW) 20081023 13:55:03< ESR_> loonycyborg: All I did give his side an excplicit recruit list. If he's not moving units there's something else going on -- probably best to bug fendrin about it when he shows up. 20081023 13:56:58< ESR_> zookeeper: I'm not sure tiny icons would show up well enough against the Heart Mountains background. But that's a specific problem; in general, compositing on campaign-specific features is relatively easy now. I've even documented the process. 20081023 13:57:19< loonycyborg> According to WML he has agression of 0 and caution of 120.0 20081023 13:57:47< ESR_> Well, that would explain why his units ain't moving. :-) 20081023 13:58:46< loonycyborg> He at least could could move away units from castle so he could recruit more :) 20081023 13:58:53< ESR_> Sounds like the WML needs a tweak. Ask fendrin to do it; I'm willing to fix outright bugs, but I'd rather not retune his campaign unless I have to. 20081023 14:16:44< ESR_> loonycyborg: Bang on the AI some, if you would please. I forward-merged most of suokko's changes for stuff like leader movement and unit-support computations; it all needs testing. 20081023 14:19:21< ESR_> Now I really need to sleep... 20081023 15:22:50< loonycyborg> AI seems to be fine. Galtrid even started to move units once orcs moved close to his castle :) 20081023 15:27:05-!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20081023 15:29:08< Ivanovic> hi 20081023 16:54:47-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 16:56:58-!- ilor [n=a@static-87-105-190-36.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 17:24:45-!- Ivanovic_ [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db20231.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 17:26:03-!- Ivanovic [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db2137f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20081023 17:26:09-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20081023 17:43:28-!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Success] 20081023 17:56:15-!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 18:04:32-!- BenUrban [n=benurban@c-68-49-10-243.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 18:04:53-!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081023 18:08:38-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-150-84.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 18:31:59-!- maxy [n=maxy@80-219-1-12.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 18:43:51-!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 18:46:36-!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 19:00:36-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-150-84.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081023 19:07:16-!- elias [n=allefant@allegro/developer/allefant] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 19:19:47-!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBF27D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 19:28:39-!- zancdar [n=zancdar@220.104.84-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 19:54:05< ESR_> Ivanovic: I managed to untabfle and rescue most of suooko's chnges last night. Took me about the hours straight of hard work grubbing through tangled C++ (ugh) but it's checked in nin about a dozen clean commits and it appears I didn't break anything. Which means we're now in a more or less releasable state. 20081023 19:54:26< Ivanovic> great 20081023 19:54:33< Ivanovic> but i won't release this weekend 20081023 19:54:52< Ivanovic> (since i will be leaving to the soc mentor summit in about 7h) 20081023 19:55:39< ESR_> s/the hours/twelve hours/ 20081023 19:55:59< ESR_> Just as ell, we can use a few days to fix bugs. 20081023 20:00:58-!- maxy [n=maxy@80-219-1-12.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 20081023 20:15:37-!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit ["Power failu"] 20081023 20:29:39-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-150-84.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 20:55:16-!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 20:59:04-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 21:05:31-!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 21:09:21< CIA-41> esr * r30343 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/ (great-continent.xcf map-howto.txt): Created Liberty overlay. 20081023 21:12:59-!- ettin [n=jorda@143.207.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081023 21:15:41-!- zancdar [n=zancdar@220.104.84-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081023 21:19:54< CIA-41> zookeeper * r30344 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/scenarios/3_Searching_for_the_Runecrafter.cfg: Made the move-here signpost blink a bit. 20081023 21:22:42< ESR_> zookeeper: My next commit is a present for you. 20081023 21:24:19< CIA-41> esr * r30345 /trunk/data/campaigns/Liberty/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 20081023 21:24:19< CIA-41> Liberty map refresh. It's now made from a campaign-specific overlay in the 20081023 21:24:19< CIA-41> master XCF file. The journey track has been adjusted. 20081023 21:26:14 * zookeeper looks 20081023 21:28:23< zookeeper> yeah, that's nice 20081023 21:28:45< zookeeper> although i'm still not a fan of that whole latest map style of kestenvarn 20081023 21:28:53< zookeeper> (i think the old one was superior in terms of looks) 20081023 21:35:12< ESR_> Well, at least now we have a cleaned up master and a set of layers we can hack without needing Kestenvarn around to do black magic. 20081023 21:36:09-!- stikonas_ [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 21:39:43< zookeeper> sure, that's really good 20081023 21:40:46< Sirp> ESR_: do you know if Soliton's commit solved the problems with the AI, or do you want me to look at it still? 20081023 21:41:26< loonycyborg> Sirp: AI problem is solved. 20081023 21:43:32< ESR_> Sirp: The immediate problem seems solved. However...last night I picked apart suokko's changes and forward-merged almost all of them in a series of one-per-functional-change commits. Some of the merges are tuning tweaks that are conditioned out, and there's a pending patch of just over 100 lines of things I couldn't figure out how to merge cleanly. All that stuff needs to be reviewed by... 20081023 21:43:34< ESR_> ...somebody who actually knows the AI code. 20081023 21:45:22< Ivanovic> have you seen that suokko was at his compt 11h ago? 20081023 21:45:28< Ivanovic> that is: his idle time was reset then 20081023 21:45:30< ESR_> sukko's commits were huge and messy...I left him a note about that attached to the patch, and will have *words* with him if he ever rematerializes. The whole exercise was much harder than it needed to be. 20081023 21:45:33< Ivanovic> (using irc) 20081023 21:45:39< Ivanovic> so *maybe* he will react soon... 20081023 21:46:25< Sirp> what were suokko's changes even meant to achieve? 20081023 21:46:32< ESR_> I'm rather annoyed that I had to do that much work cleaning up the mess he left. 20081023 21:46:41< Sirp> Dragonking: are you around? :) 20081023 21:47:07< ESR_> Sirp: The largest ones were changes to make leader-unit movement more intelligent. 20081023 21:47:15< Sirp> ESR_: I see. 20081023 21:47:23< grrrX> Ivanovic, suokko was in mp lobby yesterday, and last saturday IIRC 20081023 21:47:30< grrrX> so he is not dead 20081023 21:47:56-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081023 21:48:27< ESR_> There were some good small tweaks to the healing logic and to the code for figuring which units need support. 20081023 21:48:42< Ivanovic> grrrX: i hope he will react to irc soon, too 20081023 21:49:09< Ivanovic> but noone heard from cycholka, right? 20081023 21:49:20-!- stikonas_ is now known as stikonas 20081023 21:49:23< grrrX> i wouldn't come back here either, seeing how the mob picked up torches and forks already =) 20081023 21:49:38< ESR_> Also some kind of functional merge with the formula AI -- I don't completely understand what that code was intended to do but I managed to isolate that layer of changes in a commit so it can be studied. 20081023 21:51:21< ESR_> suokko I'd like to have back, once I've thumped him a bit about good practice. cycholka did such a dreadful hack-up on the aOI text that I'll probably want to kick him into the next county idf he ever shows up again. 20081023 21:52:04< loonycyborg> You mean country? :) 20081023 21:52:38< ESR_> No, county. Small administrative unit in the U.S. and Great Britain. 20081023 21:53:04< ESR_> "kick him into the next county" is a rural idiom in the U.S. 20081023 21:54:21< Dragonking> Sirp: Now I am :) 20081023 21:54:26< loonycyborg> AFAIK cycholka is not from US or UK so kicking him into the next county would be hard :) 20081023 21:54:37< ESR_> loonycyborg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County 20081023 21:54:59< Dragonking> Sirp: I am really busy lately, and mostly away from my home due to terrible classes shedule 20081023 21:55:01< AI0867> while it's called a 'gemeente' in dutch, one could still kick someone over its borders 20081023 21:57:55< Sirp> Dragonking: I was just going to try to rope you in to doing more AI development. :p 20081023 21:58:16< ESR_> loonycyborg: However, it is worth noting that there are U.S. counties larger than some entire European countries. Not that uncommon in our western regions. 20081023 21:58:37< Sirp> ESR_: which countries? Monaco? :p 20081023 21:59:03< ESR_> I was thinking Luxembourg, actually. :-) 20081023 21:59:05< Dragonking> Sirp: No luck this time, sorry. ;) 20081023 21:59:17< Ivanovic> Sirp: texas is bigger than germany 20081023 21:59:29< Sirp> Ivanovic: yes, but Texas is a state, not a county 20081023 21:59:32< ESR_> True. 20081023 21:59:38< Ivanovic> ups, county 20081023 21:59:49< Sirp> I think Texas contains more than 100 counties 20081023 21:59:53< Ivanovic> uncommon concept over here... 20081023 22:00:15< Ivanovic> okay, we got something comparable, just different 20081023 22:00:17< Ivanovic> you know... 20081023 22:00:21< Sirp> some counties in Alaska and Nevada are pretty huge though 20081023 22:00:57< ESR_> Ivanovic: In France they have prefectures which are riughly equivalent. Your German la"nder are more like our states, the next tier up. 20081023 22:01:35< Ivanovic> we got "kreis" 20081023 22:01:35< ESR_> (How *do* I type an umlaut-a in this client?) 20081023 22:01:44< Ivanovic> this might be something like counties 20081023 22:01:59< Ivanovic> a bundesland is really like states in the us 20081023 22:03:06< loonycyborg> ESR_: I guess the easiest way is to use german keyboard. 20081023 22:03:42< ESR_> Ahhh...landkreis. Yes, that's similar. 20081023 22:04:20< loonycyborg> What does recognize a" as a with umlaut, anyway? LaTeX? 20081023 22:04:55-!- ettin [n=jorda@191.207.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 22:05:29< grrrX> yap, if you have the packages 20081023 22:05:47< grrrX> but there is german support for latex where you can just type naturally 20081023 22:06:22< ESR_> Ivanovic: Yes, "landkreis" is the correct German translation for "county". 20081023 22:06:56< ESR_> Do you have any idiom about kicking someone into the next landkreis? :-) 20081023 22:07:25< Ivanovic> ESR_: no 20081023 22:07:43< Ivanovic> because this is just not far away... 20081023 22:08:02-!- kalenzz [n=me@athedsl-4498051.home.otenet.gr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 22:08:42< ESR_> Hey, kalenzz -- do youu like the new LoW journey track? 20081023 22:09:18< kalenzz> journey rack? 20081023 22:09:37< kalenzz> meant track? 20081023 22:09:48< ESR_> jorney track. The track markers on the campaign map. 20081023 22:09:57< ESR_> Arrgh. I can't type... 20081023 22:10:18< ESR_> (I'm assuming you're actually santi.) 20081023 22:10:22< kalenzz> I am converting to the new trunk version to test 20081023 22:10:24< kalenzz> Yes 20081023 22:11:04< kalenzz> I have been holding back on Low till the ai finilized, so I only got confirmation for that last night 20081023 22:11:51< kalenzz> Meanwhile DM is a couple of scenaria short of finalizing and should be about 25 scenaria 20081023 22:12:06< ESR_> If you decide you want to edit the track, there's a tool for doing that visually now - you can even pick up markers and drag them on the map. See trackplacer on the wiki. 20081023 22:12:09< kalenzz> The problem is we can easily do more, but should we? 20081023 22:12:27< ESR_> kalenzz: I'd say no. 25 is already on the long side. 20081023 22:12:45< kalenzz> Yes, so I will refrain from making more 20081023 22:12:54< kalenzz> I'm gonna look at trackplacer 20081023 22:13:29< ESR_> Msybe that's a good argument for putting Valley of Shadows back in HttT....how long is HttT, anyway? 20081023 22:14:46< ESR_> kalenzz: I think the AI is in a good state now, thanks to some brillance by Soliton and a lot of damn hard slogging by me. 20081023 22:15:48< ESR_> Sounds like we might get DM shippable before the 1.6 freeze. THat would be cool. 20081023 22:17:12< ESR_> s/brillance/brilliance/ 20081023 22:17:20< kalenzz> Let's see, but I'd really like it finilized and tested before saying it's ready 20081023 22:17:30< ESR_> Of course. 20081023 22:17:45< kalenzz> We still have issues, one of which is art.(as usual) 20081023 22:17:53< zookeeper> DM 25 scenarios? O.o i thought it was a rather short one 20081023 22:18:08< ESR_> Is the storyline stable enough for me to do a prose-polishing pass? 20081023 22:18:42< kalenzz> esr, I'd like a couple more days to finilize the last couple of scenaria 20081023 22:18:57< ESR_> OK. 20081023 22:19:14-!- elias [n=allefant@allegro/developer/allefant] has quit ["Client exiting"] 20081023 22:19:18< kalenzz> zookeeper, it was 11 scenaria without the battles with Iliah-Malal and without the Low merge 20081023 22:19:52-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-150-84.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081023 22:22:47-!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d83a165.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 22:23:53< Ivanovic> ESR_: you left a warning in code... 20081023 22:24:00< Ivanovic> at least when using gcc 4.3.2 20081023 22:24:18< ESR_> Checking... 20081023 22:24:27< Ivanovic> http://pastebin.com/m703b04e4 20081023 22:25:33< ESR_> Working on it. 20081023 22:26:20< Ivanovic> fixed it 20081023 22:26:31< CIA-41> ivanovic * r30346 /trunk/src/ai_attack.cpp: fix warning left by esr 20081023 22:28:25< kalenzz> where is trackplacer? Under code, development->External Utilities? 20081023 22:28:48< CIA-41> ivanovic * r30347 /trunk/src/ai_attack.cpp: forgotten ; 20081023 22:29:53< loonycyborg> kalenzz: It's in data/tools 20081023 22:32:30< kalenzz> got the wrong page then http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Main_Page ? 20081023 22:32:43< CIA-41> ivanovic * r30348 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: another warning fixed 20081023 22:33:21< loonycyborg> data/tools is path in the svn, not in wiki. 20081023 22:33:48 * zookeeper stares blankly 20081023 22:34:15< loonycyborg> That is if you have svn checkout of wesnoth, it will be in data/tools. 20081023 22:34:33< kalenzz> ok, I have a trunk checkout from last night 20081023 22:43:57< ESR_> kalenzz: Documentation at http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Authoring_tools 20081023 22:50:20< CIA-41> torangan * r30349 /trunk/ (6 files in 6 dirs): racv translation update 20081023 22:52:16< CIA-41> esr * r30350 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/ (great-continent.xcf map-howto.txt): Layer reorganization and simplification. 20081023 22:55:13-!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d83a165.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081023 22:55:23< CIA-41> torangan * r30351 /branches/1.4/po/ (wesnoth/hu.po wesnoth-l/hu.po wesnoth-lib/hu.po): hungarian translation update 20081023 22:57:07< CIA-41> torangan * r30352 /trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): hungarian translation update 20081023 23:08:09< ESR_> Ivanovic: GCC 4.3.2 must generate some warnings by default that my 4.2.4 doesn't. I didn't see any here. 20081023 23:13:09-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 23:15:56< loonycyborg> ESR_: If you'll add toolbar like this: vbox.pack_start(toolbar, expand = False) then it won't be necessary to set a large size for scroll area. 20081023 23:16:25< loonycyborg> Once default size is set properly that is.. 20081023 23:17:05< ESR_> If you understand how to do this, go ahead and modify the code. I will learn by your example. 20081023 23:18:31< Ivanovic> off to sleep and then to the US for a weekend trip 20081023 23:18:35< Ivanovic> cu on tuesday... 20081023 23:18:57< ESR_> Ivanovic: What part of the U.S.? West coast, I assume. 20081023 23:19:04< Ivanovic> google 20081023 23:19:08< Ivanovic> mountain view, ca 20081023 23:19:18-!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 23:19:22< Ivanovic> will meet with Sirp there... 20081023 23:19:31< Ivanovic> okay, really off now, just 3h of sleep left... 20081023 23:19:36< ESR_> Yup, that's what I figured. 3000 miles from here. 20081023 23:19:38< Sirp> bye Ivanovic 20081023 23:19:43< ESR_> Sleep well. 20081023 23:19:45< Ivanovic> Sirp: cu tomorrow 20081023 23:20:52-!- boucman [n=rosen@133.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 23:25:51 * loonycyborg is annoyed that he can't call set_default_size on either scroll area or vbox 20081023 23:27:48-!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20081023 23:28:48-!- kalenzz [n=me@athedsl-4498051.home.otenet.gr] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 20081023 23:44:25-!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081023 23:46:24< CIA-41> loonycyborg * r30353 /trunk/data/tools/trackplacer: 20081023 23:46:24< CIA-41> Trackplacer: allow shrinking of map scroll area past starting size. 20081023 23:46:24< CIA-41> Maximize the window since its default size isn't set properly yet. 20081023 23:47:58< loonycyborg> ESR_: ^^ 20081023 23:48:49< ESR_> Thanks, I'll look at it once I;m done hacking the SoTBE map.. 20081023 23:49:04 * ESR_ GIMPs furiously. 20081023 23:52:27-!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081023 23:52:55< grrrX> ESR_, I thought about that idiom, "kicking someone into the next county". perhaps "jemanden in die Wüste schicken" - "to send someone to the deserts" comes close 20081023 23:54:08< grrrX> or, the other would be, "jemanden zum Mond schießen" - "shoot someone to the moon" 20081023 23:54:42< ESR_> grrrX: In English, the emotional tone of "kicking someone into the next county" is exagerrated semi-comic violence, not just exile -- which is what "sending into the desert" implies to an English-speaker. 20081023 23:55:09< ESR_> "shoot someone to the moon" is much closer, I think. 20081023 23:55:29< grrrX> yes, so it would seem 20081023 23:57:15< grrrX> hm. since the German badass is pretty much the default setting in traditional hollywood movies ... why not have an evil plot unit with a german accent? 20081023 23:57:29< ESR_> :) 20081023 23:58:20< ESR_> grrrX: Do you have a verb in German that translates the English usage "to kick someone out" well? 20081023 23:59:32< grrrX> "rausschmeißen" would be it 20081023 23:59:42< ESR_> Not just "to send", but "to foecibly propel". In English the image that goes with it is of the hapless victim being drop-kicked like an (American) football. 20081023 23:59:45< grrrX> it looks as ugly as being kicked out feels --- Log closed Fr Okt 24 00:00:25 2008