--- Log opened Fr Okt 24 00:00:25 2008 --- Day changed Fr Okt 24 2008 20081024 00:00:25< grrrX> "rausschmeißen" would be the typical task of a casino bouncer if you cannot pay up =) 20081024 00:00:53-!- boucman [n=rosen@133.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20081024 00:00:58< ESR_> Actually, even an educated English-speaker who diesn't know German (like me) can get the feel of "rausschmeißen" quite nicely. 20081024 00:01:02-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081024 00:02:16-!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081024 00:02:20< ESR_> I think if you used that verb in a phrase with "landkreis" or some old feudal land unit that people still remember, you'd have a good translation. 20081024 00:06:37< grrrX> is county the feudal unit of a duke then, in a traditional sense? 20081024 00:06:47< grrrX> *feudal land unit 20081024 00:07:33< Sirp> I think that a county is small than a duchy typically would be. 20081024 00:08:19< Sirp> a county in the US is really very similar to a county in the UK 20081024 00:09:03< Sirp> different counties in the US can have different rules about all kinds of bizarre things though 20081024 00:09:27< Sirp> especially alcohol. We have this bizarre fascination with restricting alcohol in the US. 20081024 00:09:36< grrrX> ah well, sounds familiar 20081024 00:10:12< grrrX> only that here, federal law breaks/overrules local law 20081024 00:11:19< grrrX> for example, one of your federal states still allows death penalties. but it can never be applied because of the federal law 20081024 00:11:23< grrrX> *our 20081024 00:16:49< Sirp> sure, federal law overrides state and county law here too. 20081024 00:17:29< Sirp> for a while federal law forbade the death penalty here, though that was reversed, and now it's allowed. 20081024 00:19:23-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081024 00:22:08< ESR_> grrrX: A county in English used to be a large area, but the average size has dropped considserably. In German, a "barony" might be good size match". (We have very large ciunties in the U.S., but we think of them as anomalies.) 20081024 00:27:33< Sirp> a large county in the US basically means "this land isn't very useful or densely populated" 20081024 00:38:50-!- Jimm_ [n=jim@c-24-14-111-0.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 00:48:48-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has quit ["Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 20081024 00:49:22-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081024 01:19:01-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081024 01:52:57-!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBF27D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20081024 01:56:36-!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081024 02:29:08-!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. 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Heh... just when I am making cartography GIMP brushes... 20081024 08:49:23-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 08:49:48< Espreon> zookeeper: Are we all talking about the Far North map? 20081024 08:49:52< zookeeper> yes 20081024 08:50:02-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 08:50:40< zookeeper> i'd rather have a far north map which is just a direct extension of the wesnoth map, even displaying the northmost parts of it 20081024 08:50:43< Espreon> I agree, it is quite ugly when compared to the modern map of Wesnoth & such. 20081024 08:53:06< zookeeper> the looks don't bug me as much as the fact that it's completely separate from the main wesnoth map 20081024 08:53:30< zookeeper> for example, i'd rather put bitok straight where "glamdrol" is on the main map 20081024 08:54:03< zookeeper> of course the main map would probably need to be tweaked somewhat 20081024 08:54:19< zookeeper> (like, the human cities can't exactly be in the middle of those mountains there) 20081024 08:55:53< zookeeper> (i find the whole major human presence in the far north a bit mysterious...when exactly did they cross the mountains en masse and build another whole empire there, huh?) 20081024 08:59:16< zookeeper> anyways, back later 20081024 08:59:19-!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20081024 09:14:41-!- Sirp_ [n=me@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081024 09:44:13-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-143-90.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 10:11:17-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]"] 20081024 10:21:14-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 10:44:58-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]"] 20081024 11:24:42-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-143-90.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081024 11:58:47-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 12:14:38-!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081024 12:50:03-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! 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I'm throwing out all the original feature art, but using it as a guide to placing features in the style of (and often frankensteined from) the main map. The result won't be as good as the main map, but it will suck much less than what we have. And I'm documenting what I'm doing. 20081024 14:56:41< ESR_> It would be nice to extend the main map, yes -- maybe that will be iteration two, after I understand the tools better. 20081024 15:05:00< ESR_> Work in progress: http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5046/farnorthom5.png 20081024 15:25:31< loonycyborg> ESR_: Do you know many RL continents that have generally square form like wesnoth's continent? 20081024 15:25:43< ESR_> No. 20081024 15:26:17< loonycyborg> It's obvious that continent was designed for map, not the other way around :) 20081024 15:26:38< ESR_> Geological plausibility is not normally a major feature of fantasy maps :-) Tolkien was especially bad in this regard... 20081024 15:30:01< loonycyborg> IMO TROW map is much more plausible.. 20081024 15:31:34< ESR_> To be fair, the main Wesnoth map is a rectangular section of a much larger continent. 20081024 15:34:12< loonycyborg> Yes. But together with your north map it reinforces the suspiction that the continent is just a giant square :) 20081024 15:35:14< zookeeper> well, nothing prevents reshaping the far north completely later on 20081024 15:35:56< ESR_> zookeeper: Indeed not. If nobody else does it, I might. This is just my learning oroject. 20081024 15:35:57< zookeeper> (something that might be nice would be to slap on a really big lake somewhere in there) 20081024 15:36:28< ESR_> Ah, I could do that. 20081024 15:58:25-!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 16:18:29-!- Sapien2 [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 16:39:44-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081024 16:54:00< Rhonda> Sorry, logs will be unavailable for a while, server moving/switching 20081024 16:54:06< Rhonda> Hope it won't last long 20081024 16:54:20-!- loonycyborg_ [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 16:54:36-!- Rh0nda [n=rhonda@fo.oe3.sil.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 16:55:24-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20081024 16:55:30-!- loonycyborg_ is now known as loonycyborg 20081024 16:56:51< zookeeper> for BoL, i'd like to vary as much as possible who speaks the lines spoken by the player characters, since in most cases it doesn't matter which one of them says them. however, using the typical speaker filter like side=1,2,3,4 AFAICT always picks the top left unit, so the speaker pattern can be pretty repetitive. 20081024 16:56:53< zookeeper> Sapien2, so...is it possible to write a SUF matching several units so that it'd still always pick a specific one of them, if available, in contexts where only one unit is picked, like message speakers? i mean something like side=2,1,3,4 always picking side 2 if available, and side=3,1,2,4 always picking side 3 if available. 20081024 16:57:37< zookeeper> like...if i had "side=1 [or] side=2,3,4 [/or]", would that always pick side 1 first, and 2, 3 or 4 only if 1 is missing? 20081024 16:57:44-!- ettin [n=jorda@191.207.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081024 16:59:44 * Rh0nda . o O ( this client is here for logging purposes, so I hope I'll be able to merge later ) 20081024 17:02:23-!- Sirp_ [n=me@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 17:02:35-!- Rhonda [i=rhonda@debian/developer/alfie] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081024 17:02:36-!- wesbot [i=wesbot@asteria.debian.or.at] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081024 17:04:13< Sapien2> zookeeper: no it's not possible 20081024 17:04:25< zookeeper> aww, that's a shame. 20081024 17:05:31< Sapien2> it would be nice if you could sort arrays based on keys or functions 20081024 17:06:32< zookeeper> is there a separate function for places where the game only needs to take one of all the SUF-matching units, meaning would it be easy to implement a new pseudo-SUF key, like pick_a_random_unit_from_all_matching_ones=yes|no which would only work in those contexts, and would cause a random unit to be picked instead of the top left one? 20081024 17:06:48< zookeeper> just a thought :) 20081024 17:07:03< Sapien2> here's a suggestion 20081024 17:07:13< Sapien2> use mode=append 20081024 17:07:25< Sapien2> and filter the best ranked units first 20081024 17:07:33-!- ettin [n=jorda@56.207.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 17:07:41< zookeeper> urgh, i wouldn't want to start storing units everywhere like that 20081024 17:07:57< zookeeper> (could use [fire_event], but still) 20081024 17:14:12-!- Sapien2 [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081024 17:20:13-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 17:25:20-!- elias [n=allefant@80-121-80-220.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 17:52:54-!- boucman [n=rosen@133.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 17:53:44-!- Sirp_ [n=me@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081024 17:55:10-!- Sapient [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 20081024 17:55:41-!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 17:59:58-!- boucman [n=rosen@133.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081024 18:01:11-!- boucman [n=rosen@133.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 18:11:14-!- Rhonda [n=rhonda@debian/developer/alfie] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 18:12:49-!- Rh0nda [n=rhonda@fo.oe3.sil.at] has quit ["leaving"] 20081024 18:37:21-!- Sirp_ [n=me@nat/google/x-92616f0072bece0d] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 18:42:42< zookeeper> boucman, it seems the base frame is no longer used by default in animation frames which don't specify the image (like, if you add an animation for some gained magical weapon which only consists of a missile effect and a [frame] containing only a sound=) 20081024 18:43:09< zookeeper> instead, the unit image disappears entirely for the duration of those frames 20081024 18:44:12-!- Sirp_ [n=me@nat/google/x-92616f0072bece0d] has quit ["leaving"] 20081024 18:45:25< boucman> hmm 20081024 18:45:31< boucman> 1.5 I guess 20081024 18:45:55< zookeeper> yes 20081024 18:46:00< zookeeper> quite a new regression i think 20081024 18:46:17< boucman> could you add a test case in the test-scenario ? 20081024 18:47:34< zookeeper> i think there already is, line 1164 20081024 18:47:49< zookeeper> (i haven't tested that specifically, though, but looks like it'd do just as well as any) 20081024 18:57:56-!- yann [n=dwitch@nan92-1-81-57-214-146.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 19:23:27-!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBE7DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 19:56:13< CIA-41> esr * r30354 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/ (great-continent.xcf map-howto.txt): Far North layers created. 20081024 19:58:27< CIA-41> esr * r30355 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/map-howto.txt: Typo fix. 20081024 20:07:52-!- elias [n=allefant@allegro/developer/allefant] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081024 20:28:19-!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081024 20:41:54-!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@adsl-76-229-220-201.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 20:44:52-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-152-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 20:50:58-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 20:51:09-!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081024 20:55:01-!- me [n=me@athedsl-4500413.home.otenet.gr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 20:55:11-!- me is now known as kalenz 20081024 20:56:13< kalenz> anyone run into any problems installing trunk? Like make[2]: *** [ai_move.o] Error 1 20081024 20:57:02< loonycyborg> Is there a compile warning just above it? 20081024 20:57:37< kalenz> not that I saw. Tried both tarball and slackbuild. 1.5.5 trunk was ok 20081024 20:58:27< kalenz> wait. many compiler warnings, like cc1plus: warnings being treated as errors 20081024 20:58:27< kalenz> ai_move.cpp: In member function ‘virtual void ai::move_leader_to_keep 20081024 20:58:50< kalenz> and last ai_move.cpp:845: converting int to float 20081024 20:58:58< loonycyborg> ./configure --disable-strict-compilation 20081024 20:58:58< kalenz> and also 854 20081024 21:01:23< loonycyborg> No idea why Ivanovic didn't get them :/ 20081024 21:01:46< loonycyborg> He reported a gcc 4.3 specific warning but not those.. 20081024 21:10:07< CIA-41> esr * r30356 /trunk/data/tools/trackplacer: trackplacer: initialize properly when there are no tracks. 20081024 21:11:16< loonycyborg> kalenz: When you finish compiling, be sure to check LoW 7. When I played it today, Galtrid didn't recruit anyone. 20081024 21:12:40< kalenz> ok, thanks. I will You mean scenario 3 or 7? 20081024 21:12:47< loonycyborg> 7 20081024 21:13:09< loonycyborg> Other elvish leader *did* recruit though. 20081024 21:13:29< kalenz> ok, you man scenario 7 20081024 21:14:01< kalenz> did you choose the option to have kalenz run the show or not? 20081024 21:14:06< loonycyborg> "Elves last stand" 20081024 21:14:27< kalenz> yeah, I figured when you mentioned other elvish leader 20081024 21:14:28< loonycyborg> I choosed him to take command. 20081024 21:15:32< kalenz> ok, so kalenz has command, but Galtrid does not recriut 20081024 21:17:20< loonycyborg> Yes. 20081024 21:20:42< kalenz> We had similar issues on early versions in the 1.5 conversion, but these were solved. I'll check. Hopefully the ai is ok 20081024 21:22:52< loonycyborg> Maybe aggression=-80.0 causes that? 20081024 21:30:58< zookeeper> loonycyborg, hmmh, happen to have a new build to upload? 20081024 21:31:28< zookeeper> (don't start compiling for me if you don't) 20081024 21:33:04< loonycyborg> No I don't but I'll compile anyway :) 20081024 21:33:29< zookeeper> oh well, fine then :P 20081024 21:34:14< kalenz> how is agression related to recriuitment? 20081024 21:34:34< loonycyborg> kalenz: Not sure. I'm just guessing :) 20081024 21:34:37< grrrX> it shouldn't 20081024 21:35:39< grrrX> aggression should only affect the dmg ratio at which an AI unit is willing to trade dmg 20081024 21:38:58< loonycyborg> zookeeper: Done. 20081024 21:44:08< zookeeper> thanks 20081024 21:44:47< kalenz> On wmllint, I have a really old map(could be version 0.8) that I tried to convert with wmllint and failed 20081024 21:45:22< kalenz> There used to be a perl script before wmllint maybe this can be done in 2 steps 0.8->1,2 and 1.2->1.5? 20081024 21:54:13-!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 21:58:52< kalenz> llonycyborg, I just got make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 though it apparently ran to the end (this was a slackbuild 20081024 22:00:13< loonycyborg> Ignore "make[1]: ***" part and look earlier. 20081024 22:00:37< CIA-41> esr * r30357 /trunk/data/tools/trackplacer: 20081024 22:00:37< CIA-41> Nice try, loonycyborg, but maximize() on a large display is incredibly 20081024 22:00:37< CIA-41> ugly -- fills most of the screen with garbage. 20081024 22:01:32< loonycyborg> Make errors only tell that make terminated due to some command that it run failing. 20081024 22:02:19< kalenz> right before then it said Local installation is complete 20081024 22:02:19< kalenz> test -z "" || mkdir -p -- "/tmp/SBo/package-wesnoth" 20081024 22:02:20< kalenz> make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/SBo/wesnoth-1.5.6trunk' 20081024 22:02:20< kalenz> make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/SBo/wesnoth-1.5.6trunk' 20081024 22:04:06-!- boucman [n=rosen@133.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20081024 22:04:10< kalenz> looks like it created the directory but couldn't make a tgz 20081024 22:04:33-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081024 22:08:07< loonycyborg> ESR_: Why did you revert it(making it ugly on small sceens) instead of disabling maximize() and setting default window size to reasonable value? 20081024 22:08:27< loonycyborg> (Which would work for both large and small screens) 20081024 22:10:28< ESR_> loonycyborg: I'm trying a different approach that may satisfy both of us. Wait a few minutes for my next commit. 20081024 22:11:57-!- boucman [n=rosen@57.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 22:14:13-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-152-45.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081024 22:25:35< CIA-41> esr * r30358 /trunk/data/tools/trackplacer: trackplacer: try a more effective window-sizing policy. 20081024 22:28:00< loonycyborg> ESR_: vbox.pack_start(toolbar, expand = False) is *really* needed. 20081024 22:28:25< loonycyborg> It prevents toolbar from taking over half of window. 20081024 22:30:03-!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081024 22:31:11< loonycyborg> ESR_: Btw you can use Xnest to test how your apps will behave on small screens :) 20081024 22:31:15< CIA-41> esr * r30359 /trunk/data/tools/trackplacer: Yet another attempt at better allocation policy. 20081024 22:31:46< ESR_> loonycyborg: I just committed another version, try it. If you need to hack the "Screen is small" side of the conditional, feel free. 20081024 22:33:24< loonycyborg> Does changing vbox.add(toolbar) to vbox.pack_start(toolbar, expand = False) break large screen version? 20081024 22:33:47< ESR_> Let me check. 20081024 22:35:03< ESR_> That looks OK. I'll commit it. 20081024 22:35:34-!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 22:36:52< ESR_> loonycyborg: Does the small-screen logic work for you? 20081024 22:36:59< CIA-41> esr * r30360 /trunk/data/tools/trackplacer: trackplacer: Set toolbar to no expand. 20081024 22:38:48< loonycyborg> No. It looks like scroll area is set to noexpand too. 20081024 22:39:11< ESR_> You can fix that. 20081024 22:42:39< CIA-41> loonycyborg * r30361 /trunk/data/tools/trackplacer: Set the scroll area to expand on small screens. 20081024 22:43:36< loonycyborg> ESR_: It works as it should now. 20081024 22:43:49< ESR_> OK. 20081024 22:44:36< ESR_> It's *really annoying* that there's no way to ask the window manager "what's the maximum anount of space I can have?" 20081024 22:59:35-!- kalenz [n=me@athedsl-4500413.home.otenet.gr] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 20081024 23:17:15< loonycyborg> ESR_: This would be much less annoying if you could set size hints for individual widgets(like scroll areas) 20081024 23:17:33< ESR_> Yeah. 20081024 23:22:44-!- Espreon [n=spanek@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 23:22:49-!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081024 23:42:43-!- Espreon [n=spanek@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081024 23:50:10-!- YogiHH [i=YogiHH@c169058.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081024 23:57:40-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] --- Log closed Sa Okt 25 00:00:37 2008