--- Log opened So Okt 26 00:00:53 2008 20081026 00:04:03< AI0867> grrrX: how could it possibly be hard to get a dev environment on gentoo? 20081026 00:04:23< AI0867> you don't need -dev packages because you get the source anyway 20081026 00:05:48< Espreon> That is a fact. 20081026 00:07:30< Espreon> AI0867: Something awesome occurred... 20081026 00:07:34< AI0867> ? 20081026 00:07:47< AI0867> r30374? 20081026 00:08:00< Espreon> Yup. 20081026 00:08:50-!- Sirp_ [n=me@nat/google/x-07d3083bcce63233] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 00:13:03-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 00:17:41-!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d8573ca.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 00:28:06-!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081026 00:28:28-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 00:29:20-!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081026 00:37:39-!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBFE10.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20081026 00:48:19< esr> I has a Googlephone! 20081026 00:51:54< zookeeper> you're windsurfing on the highest wave of fashion for sure. 20081026 00:51:58< Sapient> esr: please take a look at santi's post in tech support 20081026 00:52:18< Espreon> esr: Welcome back and whatnot. 20081026 00:52:21< Sapient> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=316593#p316593 20081026 00:52:29< Espreon> esr: I committed the brushes. 20081026 00:55:12< Sapient> personally, I don't think we should be removing old transformations from wmllint; if they are too slow, we can make them require explicit use of the --oldversion switch 20081026 00:55:52< Sapient> forcing people to chain together the output of different versions of wmllint is too much burden on the end user 20081026 00:56:10< Sapient> thus defeating the primary objective of the tool 20081026 00:57:07-!- Sirp_ [n=me@nat/google/x-07d3083bcce63233] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081026 00:57:45< stikonas> Googlephones won't reach Europe for a while :(. And I need to replace my broken phone. Few more months of waiting... 20081026 00:59:00-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081026 01:00:14< zookeeper> jesus, who would try to wmllint some 0.8 map in the first place? 20081026 01:00:21< zookeeper> or rather, who else. 20081026 01:00:50-!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-35-203.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081026 01:02:35-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081026 01:02:45< zookeeper> i guess there might be cases where you might want to, but...i wouldn't expect that to work, and it doesn't sound like a problem either 20081026 01:02:58< zookeeper> just redraw the map or something, no big deal 20081026 01:05:47< ilor> gn 20081026 01:05:49-!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [] 20081026 01:06:07< Espreon> zookeeper: It might be a ginormous map he is trying to convert. 20081026 01:07:02-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has quit ["Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 20081026 01:08:03< zookeeper> didn't look like it 20081026 01:08:19-!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20081026 01:14:46-!- Noyga [n=lame-z@AVelizy-151-1-52-168.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Quitte"] 20081026 01:27:52< AI0867> does 0.8 format equal pre-1.3.x format? 20081026 01:28:14< AI0867> because if it doesn't, was there support for that in wmllint in the first place? 20081026 01:42:43-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 01:49:53-!- Sirp_ [n=me@nat/google/x-b976e53c75f657c4] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 01:56:10-!- Sirp_ [n=me@nat/google/x-b976e53c75f657c4] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081026 01:59:48-!- boucman [n=rosen@57.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20081026 02:03:56< esr> AI0867: I'm not sure wmllint ever supported the 0.8 format. I got involved after 1.2, remember. 20081026 02:38:16-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. If you see a quit message virus, don't replace your quit message with it!"] 20081026 02:21:41-!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@adsl-76-229-220-201.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 02:24:54-!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-35-203.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 02:26:31-!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081026 02:27:55-!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 02:34:12< Sapient> who wrote "consider attack" feature? 20081026 02:35:11< Sapient> AI0867: there? 20081026 02:41:10-!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has quit [Client Quit] 20081026 02:58:37-!- Jimm_ [n=jim@c-24-14-111-0.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 03:14:29< CIA-41> sapient * r30376 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: cause an assertion failure if the AI tries to move to any location that is obviously off the map. 20081026 03:16:55-!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 03:42:35-!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 03:43:07< Sapient> the ship seems to be flickering a lot during the move_unit_fake 20081026 03:43:22< Sapient> actually, all the units are 20081026 03:53:12-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]"] 20081026 03:55:09< Sapient> aha... it appears that this bug was introduced when gamemap::location was moved to map_location 20081026 04:15:16-!- Ivanovic_ [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db22bd0.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 04:16:52-!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@adsl-76-229-220-201.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081026 04:30:06-!- PK [n=pk@r74-192-44-206.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 04:30:18< Sapient> yo PK 20081026 04:31:23< PK> hey 20081026 04:31:26< PK> you remember fury right? 20081026 04:31:47< Sapient> no 20081026 04:32:09< PK> well, I broke it when I made hitandru 20081026 04:32:16< PK> now it doesn't give an extra attack http://rafb.net/p/cTVXDx28.html 20081026 04:32:32-!- Ivanovic [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db203c2.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081026 04:32:34< PK> I think it has something to do with {VARIABLE_OP furious.attacks add 1} 20081026 04:33:14-!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20081026 04:33:18< Sapient> I'm debugging the AI 20081026 04:33:43< PK> ah. 20081026 04:33:51< PK> wait huh? 20081026 04:33:57< PK> when'd the AI get bugged? =P 20081026 04:34:12< Sapient> if I knew that, I'd revert it 20081026 04:34:20< Sapient> rest assured, it's buggy 20081026 04:34:38< Sapient> the AI just tried to move a unit to 2,-1414812756 20081026 04:35:02< Sapient> looks like an uninitialized variable 20081026 04:35:52< Sapient> ok, this makes no sense now 20081026 04:35:58< Sapient> the sanity check has failed 20081026 04:36:17< Sapient> map_location best_target; 20081026 04:36:17< Sapient> assert(best_target == location::null_location); 20081026 04:36:50< PK> o-o 20081026 04:36:59 * PK feels dumb 20081026 04:37:00< Sapient> that assertion passes successfully 20081026 04:37:10< Sapient> best_target = target; 20081026 04:37:10< Sapient> DBG_AI << "Considering keep: " 20081026 04:37:30< Sapient> that line is the only one that changes best_target, and it is never reached 20081026 04:37:46< Sapient> if (leader->first != best_target 20081026 04:37:46< Sapient> && best_target != location::null_location) 20081026 04:37:46< Sapient> move_unit(leader->first,best_target,possible_moves); 20081026 04:38:01< Sapient> then how the heck is it calling move_unit ???? 20081026 04:38:44-!- esr [n=chatzill@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081026 04:44:58< Sapient> I might have found the problem 20081026 04:44:59< Sapient> target = std::find_if(route->second.waypoints.begin(), 20081026 04:44:59< Sapient> route->second.waypoints.end(), 20081026 04:44:59< Sapient> match_turn(1))->first; 20081026 04:45:27< Sapient> as you can see, it is not checking for target == route->second.waypoints.end() 20081026 04:45:55< Sapient> so it may be dereferencing an invalid pair 20081026 04:49:37-!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 04:49:59< PK> o-o 20081026 04:58:34-!- rski [i=ruskie@c83-250-206-188.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 05:04:39< Sapient> I might have a fix here... just building and testing 20081026 05:11:15-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 05:24:01< CIA-41> sapient * r30377 /trunk/src/ai_move.cpp: 20081026 05:24:01< CIA-41> -prevent bug in ai::move_leader_to_keep where an invalid route iterator was being dereferenced and then the AI was trying to move to that uninitialized location. 20081026 05:24:01< CIA-41> -logging was added to debug some additional errors 20081026 05:25:02-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081026 05:26:27< Sapient> yeah, the AI is not moving towards me at ALL 20081026 05:26:37< Sapient> I am testing the Bay of Pearls 20081026 05:28:18< Sapient> it looks like the ai's path-finding is rather broken 20081026 05:33:24-!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 05:35:33-!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit [Client Quit] 20081026 06:21:10-!- Jimm_ [n=jim@c-24-14-111-0.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20081026 06:25:40-!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has quit [Client Quit] 20081026 06:27:37-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081026 06:30:50< CIA-41> sapient * r30378 /trunk/src/ (ai_move.cpp pathfind.cpp pathfind.hpp): -allow paths::route to be streamed to cerr or logger 20081026 06:35:00< Sapient> Sirp: what exactly is a "waypoint" ? 20081026 06:56:46< PK> its a point of way. =o 20081026 06:57:05 * Sapient throws sugar packet at PK ------------># 20081026 06:59:27< PK> ow. 20081026 07:00:09< PK> I'm not sure of the wesnoth term for waypoint, sorry. 20081026 07:01:18< CIA-41> sapient * r30379 /trunk/src/pathfind.cpp: remove a duplicate code block (accidental copy/paste) 20081026 07:05:54-!- PK [n=pk@r74-192-44-206.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit ["Java user signed off"] 20081026 07:10:40< Sapient> std::map::iterator target_it = std::find_if(route->second.waypoints.begin(), 20081026 07:10:40< Sapient> route->second.waypoints.end(), 20081026 07:10:40< Sapient> match_turn(1)); 20081026 07:10:57< Sapient> for some reason, this line is failing 20081026 07:11:12< Sapient> it always returns end() 20081026 07:14:58< Sapient> I guess I'll write a hand-coded loop to see what is going on 20081026 07:36:17< Sapient> huh... 20081026 07:36:27< Sapient> there's some threading going on here 20081026 07:38:29< Sapient> anyways, the hand coded loop is working 20081026 07:38:47< Sapient> so it fixed whatever was wrong with the std::find_if line 20081026 07:40:58< Sapient> bizarre 20081026 07:48:03< CIA-41> sapient * r30380 /trunk/src/ai_move.cpp: replacing std::find_if with a hand-coded loop mysteriously fixes the bug where no valid waypoints could be found in leader routes to keeps. 20081026 07:51:17-!- maxy [n=maxy@80-219-1-12.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 07:51:54< Sapient> cya later, have fun. 20081026 07:51:54-!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-35-203.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081026 07:54:22-!- esr [n=chatzill@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 08:38:48-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 08:39:25-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 08:41:26< loonycyborg> So, why wesbot is still absent and wesnoth.debian.net is still down? :( 20081026 08:43:41-!- boucman [n=rosen@57.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 08:51:44-!- EdB [n=EdB@196.153.82-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 08:54:37-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 09:12:41-!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 09:46:02-!- Noyga [n=lame-z@AVelizy-151-1-73-108.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 09:47:35-!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081026 09:52:05-!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 10:02:40< Rh0nda> Rh0nda: topic 20081026 10:03:10< Rhonda> Rh0nda: topic 20081026 10:03:10-!- Irssi: Topic: -: 49 bugs, 207 feature requests, 8 patches 20081026 10:03:10-!- Irssi: Topic: +: 0 bugs, 0 feature requests, 0 patches 20081026 10:03:10-!- Rh0nda changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 0 bugs, 0 feature requests, 0 patches | logs: http://irclog.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste, http://paste.debian.net, http://pastebin.ca 20081026 10:03:14< Rh0nda> bleah 20081026 10:03:41-!- Irssi: Topic: -: 0 bugs, 0 feature requests, 0 patches 20081026 10:03:41-!- Irssi: Topic: +: 49 bugs, 207 feature requests, 8 patches 20081026 10:03:41-!- Rh0nda changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 49 bugs, 207 feature requests, 8 patches | logs: http://irclog.wesnoth.org | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste, http://paste.debian.net, http://pastebin.ca 20081026 10:03:58-!- EdB [n=EdB@196.153.82-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20081026 10:03:59< stikonas> btw, where is wesbot? 20081026 10:05:13< loonycyborg> It appears that Rh0nda is wesboth :) 20081026 10:05:17< Rh0nda> Down with the rest of the server, harddisk problem. I'm logging from here. 20081026 10:05:23-!- ABCD [n=ABCD@pool-72-86-42-216.clppva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 10:06:19 * Rh0nda unloaded WesBot again, sorry. Am heading for brunch and others are waiting ... 20081026 10:06:39< loonycyborg> Anyone knows why bruteforce.py and and sample.py no longer show up in AI selection menu in MP? 20081026 10:08:15< Rh0nda> I think I have it 20081026 10:08:46< loonycyborg> Which version are you using? trunk? 20081026 10:09:25-!- ilor [n=a@77-253-64-197.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 10:09:28< Rh0nda> bleah, no :( 20081026 10:10:47< stikonas> they indeed are missing is trunk 20081026 10:11:23< boucman> there has been a change recently to have the default AI use formula AI, 20081026 10:11:36< boucman> I would try that change as a potential culprit 20081026 10:12:44-!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081026 10:18:53< zookeeper> well apprently those python ai's won't work anyway, so better this way :p 20081026 10:19:24-!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 10:22:26< CIA-41> esr * r30381 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/brushes/wesnoth_traildot.gih: Replace traildot with a brush that doesn't assume fixed background color and has the spacing set properly. 20081026 10:29:07< CIA-41> esr * r30382 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/great-continent.xcf: Added a Far North roads layer using the new trail-dot brush. 20081026 10:29:44< loonycyborg> zookeeper: What makes you think they won't work? 20081026 10:32:23< stikonas> Noyga: some units such as Dark Adept have separate description with female^ prefix. Where is it used in the in-game help? It seems to me that it is not used at all. 20081026 10:33:16-!- Noyga [n=lame-z@AVelizy-151-1-73-108.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20081026 10:34:41-!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d854748.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 10:34:49< loonycyborg> OK. wesnoth seems to expects ais to be in data/ais while they're in data/ai/python 20081026 10:38:54-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 10:39:30-!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d854748.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 10:41:02-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 10:42:16-!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d854748.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 10:45:27< zookeeper> loonycyborg, mostly the reports on the forums that they do nothing 20081026 10:45:37< zookeeper> (which i think i've seen for a fair while occasionally) 20081026 10:45:57< zookeeper> stikonas, probably in the right panel tooltip 20081026 10:46:37< loonycyborg> zookeeper: Yes. I notices those too. Most likely they just don't have python installed. 20081026 10:46:47< loonycyborg> s/notices/noticed 20081026 10:47:35< loonycyborg> Anyway, I must find a way to get those ais back before I investigate their behavior :) 20081026 10:49:13< zookeeper> it's really silly if the game doesn't actually tell you that you don't have python installed if you try to run a game with python ai's. 20081026 10:49:26< zookeeper> but instead they just do nothing and the user is none the wiser. 20081026 11:06:28-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 11:09:38-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 11:24:41< zookeeper> hmh, if i password-protect a game, does it mean that observers can't join in either without the password? 20081026 11:24:53< boucman> I think so, yes 20081026 11:25:03< stikonas> zookeper: indeed, female^ description is shown in tooltip in the right panel, but only undead and outlaw humans have 2 descriptions. Why are other units worse :)? 20081026 11:25:10< boucman> seems redundant with "disallow observers" but that's the case 20081026 11:26:57< stikonas> zookeeper: having separate descriptions for other units won't add much work for transIators because translations will be almost identical. 20081026 11:27:05< zookeeper> i'm not sure if that's good. sometimes i'd just like to only allow certain people to join the game, but anyone to observe 20081026 11:28:32< CIA-41> loonycyborg * r30383 /trunk/src/ (ai.cpp ai_python.cpp): 20081026 11:28:32< CIA-41> Made python ais work again. They were broken when they were moved to 20081026 11:28:32< CIA-41> data/ai/python from data/ais. 20081026 11:29:05< loonycyborg> zookeeper: Python ais *do* move for me. 20081026 11:34:20< CIA-41> torangan * r30384 /trunk/po/ (5 files in 5 dirs): danish translation update 20081026 11:52:24< loonycyborg> Oops! it appears that I merely made python ais reappear in the combobox. It doesn't actually run python and uses other algo. 20081026 11:59:59< loonycyborg> It definitely works in 1.4 . With trunk if --log-debug=ai is passed it reports that some formula ai is used even if bruteforce.py is selected. 20081026 12:07:03-!- rski [i=ruskie@c83-250-206-188.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081026 12:07:06-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 12:27:48-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has left #wesnoth-dev ["In Soviet Russia, channel /parts YOU!!"] 20081026 12:28:20-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 12:40:12-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-140-213.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 12:40:46< boucman> ther's something very wrong in 1.5... 20081026 12:40:59< boucman> when observing a game, I'm able to move units around 20081026 12:41:19< boucman> (it won't cause problems since my commands are refused) 20081026 12:49:00-!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d854748.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 12:51:36-!- kthakore [n=kthakore@99.255.245.40] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 13:02:28< kthakore> my scons doesn't detect my g++ version 4.3 20081026 13:02:50< kthakore> Checking whether C++ compiler works (g++ version >= 3.3 required)... no 20081026 13:11:39< kthakore> anyone here? 20081026 13:11:51< ilor> kthakore: check config.log 20081026 13:18:17-!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d854748.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 13:32:19< kthakore> ilor thx 20081026 13:33:02< kthakore> ilor what am I looking for? 20081026 13:33:18< ilor> errors at the bottom 20081026 13:33:49< kthakore> it says configure: exit 0 20081026 13:34:08< kthakore> if I delete it will it try to regenerate it? 20081026 13:35:04< kthakore> actually I didn't have g++ installed when I reinstalled my distro and it gave me an error but I have it installed and now it still gives me that error 20081026 13:36:12-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-140-213.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 13:37:25< kthakore> what is the svn again ? 20081026 13:39:22-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 13:39:44< kthakore> what version is the trunk at 20081026 13:39:53< kthakore> or should I get the 1.4 branch? 20081026 13:43:44-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 13:44:16-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 13:47:47-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 13:55:12-!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBC67F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 13:59:11< ilor> kthakore: gah sorry I'm quite busy atm (as you can probably figure) 20081026 13:59:31< ilor> kthakore: maybe bug loonycyborg 20081026 14:00:17< loonycyborg> Since irclog.wesnoth.org is currently down I don't know what was that about.. 20081026 14:01:07< kthakore> loonycyborg, actually I didn't have g++ installed when I reinstalled my distro and it gave me an error but I have it installed and now it still gives me that error [FOR SCONS] 20081026 14:01:25< kthakore> scons couldn't find g++ 20081026 14:01:45< loonycyborg> Did you try with --config=force? 20081026 14:01:55< kthakore> so I decided to redownload from svn but should I get trunk or 1.4 20081026 14:02:02< kthakore> yup 20081026 14:02:11< kthakore> I found out after I deleted why 20081026 14:02:30< loonycyborg> scons doesn't work with 1.4 20081026 14:02:37< kthakore> yup 20081026 14:02:40< kthakore> realized that after 20081026 14:02:41 * loonycyborg is too lazy to port to 1.4 20081026 14:02:42< kthakore> lol 20081026 14:02:48< kthakore> np 20081026 14:03:11< kthakore> but what svn do I want to do work in trunk or branches ? 20081026 14:03:46< loonycyborg> It depends on the work. 20081026 14:04:14< loonycyborg> If it's a translation update, artwork or bugfix then 1.4 20081026 14:04:24< kthakore> gr8t 20081026 14:04:26< loonycyborg> if it's a new feature then trunk 20081026 14:04:30< kthakore> ok 20081026 14:04:32< kthakore> thx 20081026 14:16:27-!- kthakore [n=kthakore@99.255.245.40] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081026 14:27:31< stikonas> Something is broken with Nobern Rebirth saves: https://gna.org/bugs/?12511 20081026 14:28:31< AI0867> shikadibot: seen fendrin 20081026 14:28:32< shikadibot> AI0867: fendrin quit IRC with message: ""Konversation terminated!"" 4 days 7h 5m 3s ago. 20081026 14:28:44< AI0867> shikadibot: seen Soliton 20081026 14:28:44< shikadibot> AI0867: Sorry, I don't know anything about Soliton 20081026 14:28:51< grrrX> lol 20081026 14:28:56< AI0867> er 20081026 14:29:02< AI0867> shikadibot: seen Sapient 20081026 14:29:02< shikadibot> AI0867: Sapient left from #wesnoth-dev with no reason 6h 37m 4s ago. 20081026 14:33:24-!- Mica [n=Manic_Mi@d14-69-222-189.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 14:45:28-!- Jimm_ [n=jim@c-24-14-111-0.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 15:02:55-!- fendrin [n=fabi@88-134-242-41-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 15:03:15< fendrin> hi 20081026 15:10:25-!- Mica [n=Manic_Mi@d14-69-222-189.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit ["What did you say? I can't hear you, my connection's gone."] 20081026 15:19:29< CIA-41> fendrin * r30385 /trunk/data/tools/emacs_mode/ (wesnoth-mode.el wesnoth-update.el wesnoth-wml-data.el): 20081026 15:19:29< CIA-41> new upstream version of the emacs mode for wml. 20081026 15:19:29< CIA-41> for a changelog see the thread http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=13798&start=15 20081026 15:33:03-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 15:36:14-!- Tigge [n=tigge@bacchus.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [Connection timed out] 20081026 15:38:26-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081026 15:39:11-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 15:47:35-!- Noyga [n=lame-z@AVelizy-151-1-73-108.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 15:57:05-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081026 16:03:33-!- Sirp_ [n=me@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 16:26:02-!- Jimm_ [n=jim@c-24-14-111-0.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20081026 16:32:07-!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBC67F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 16:36:01-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-144-107.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 16:36:31-!- Sirp__ [n=me@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 16:43:19-!- Sirp_ [n=me@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081026 17:02:29-!- Sirp__ [n=me@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081026 17:21:39-!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 17:29:44< Soliton> Sirp: i'm here now. 20081026 17:36:24< Rh0nda> We should do a kernel upgrade reboot at some time. 20081026 17:37:40-!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBC67F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 17:51:26-!- CIA-41 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 20081026 17:55:57-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 18:03:42< loonycyborg> Rh0nda: Or use kexec to upgrade kernel without rebooting :) 20081026 18:08:19-!- boucman [n=rosen@57.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20081026 18:08:37-!- boucman [n=rosen@57.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 18:09:16-!- boucman [n=rosen@57.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 18:09:34-!- boucman [n=rosen@57.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 18:11:14< Rh0nda> loonycyborg: Sure, yeah. 20081026 18:33:30< AI0867> fendrin: there's a problem with LoW 2 20081026 18:33:59< AI0867> if you move onto the dwarves' land, then wait for the trolls to do the same, you can hide behind the trolls safely 20081026 18:34:12< AI0867> s/behind the trolls/behind the dwarves/ 20081026 18:35:57< fendrin> AI0867: you espect the dwarves to attack both, the player and the trolls? 20081026 18:36:04< fendrin> s/espect/expect 20081026 18:37:19< AI0867> I dunno 20081026 18:37:55< AI0867> but the current solution is a bit hacky 20081026 18:39:53< AI0867> I'd keep the [avoid] and just put the dwarves on their own team 20081026 18:40:29< Espreon> What is being discussed? 20081026 18:41:36< fendrin> Espreon: hi espreon. We discuss LOW scenario 2. 20081026 18:41:51< AI0867> shikadibot: log head 20081026 18:41:52< Espreon> Aaah... 20081026 18:41:53< shikadibot> Revision 30386 (ai0867 2008-10-26 17:39:10 +0000 (Sun, 26 Oct 2008)): 20081026 18:41:53< shikadibot> * Revert r30067,r29921. This removes the "consider attack" event. (bug #12375) 20081026 18:41:56< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=30386 20081026 18:42:46< esr> Espreon: Did you do the trail dot brush? 20081026 18:42:47< Espreon> I really wish I had time to work on Quenoth-Sandbox today... sorry fendrin. I did get Quietus to animate the Verlisshi however.... 20081026 18:42:54< Espreon> esr: Yup. 20081026 18:43:10-!- CIA-41 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 18:43:11< fendrin> Espreon: that are great news 20081026 18:43:12< Espreon> Mica did all the fort brushes except for the final one. 20081026 18:43:48< esr> Why did you assume a fixed v=background color, and not set the brush spacing? The effect was terrible -- I had to replace it. 20081026 18:44:11< fendrin> AI0867: Thank you for the report. I will have a look in that issue soon. 20081026 18:44:23< Espreon> esr: I was tired at the time of creating the brush. 20081026 18:45:04< Espreon> Maybe I should not create things when I am really tired. 20081026 18:45:43-!- Sirp_ [n=me@nat/google/x-e4be30f4a0236024] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 18:45:49< Espreon> esr: It did not look terrible to me... 20081026 18:47:01< esr> Espreon: I'm afraid your fatigue showed. I think I'm also going to have to replace the mountain brush; lots of repeats of a fixed image won't cut it. I'll probably end up writing a brush with parametric random variation. Tree looks OK though. 20081026 18:47:54< Espreon> esr: I agree with the mountain brush... 20081026 18:48:25< Espreon> It was a bit terrible. 20081026 18:49:09< esr> I'm going to hack the spacing on the tree so that stroking will produce a tree spacing that mimics the look of the main-map forests. 20081026 18:50:06-!- fendrin [n=fabi@88-134-242-41-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 18:51:00< Espreon> esr: When I used the tree brush to create forests it looked legitimate to me... 20081026 18:51:12< Espreon> *the forests 20081026 18:51:32< esr> Spacing looks too close when I do it. But I'll experiment again. 20081026 18:53:00< Espreon> *Espreon is the King of Procrastination* 20081026 18:53:28< grrrX> Espreon, there is always /me for self-references =) 20081026 18:53:57< Espreon> *Espreon is a non-conformist* 20081026 18:54:41< Espreon> esr: I think I will update the installation instructions... 20081026 18:57:20< Espreon> esr: Your trail dot brush is great. 20081026 18:57:38-!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-35-203.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 18:57:46< Sapient> yo 20081026 18:57:54< Espreon> Hello Sapient. 20081026 18:58:01< Sapient> hi Espreon 20081026 18:58:20< grrrX> made up your mind on your new notebook already? 20081026 18:58:30< grrrX> which distro is it going to be? =) 20081026 18:58:36< Espreon> Yes... tell us... 20081026 18:58:45< Sapient> I went to Fry's Electronics and looked for a good laptop last night 20081026 18:59:10< Sapient> they didn't have anything with a trackpad or a 7200rpm harddrive 20081026 18:59:20< Sapient> *err, trackstick 20081026 18:59:54< grrrX> lol? 20081026 18:59:58< grrrX> check the interwebs 20081026 19:00:15< grrrX> have enough cash for SDDs? 20081026 19:00:27< grrrX> beats 7200rpm HDDs =) 20081026 19:00:55< Sapient> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SDD 20081026 19:01:37< Sapient> what is SDD? 20081026 19:02:02< grrrX> err SSD 20081026 19:02:10< grrrX> solid state disks, sry 20081026 19:02:31< grrrX> but those from intel cost around 500$ or so 20081026 19:03:00< Sapient> I thought that solid state disks degrade depending on the number of read/writes ? 20081026 19:03:43< grrrX> yes, they do 20081026 19:03:52< grrrX> but they have spare blocks for that to handle 20081026 19:04:10< grrrX> they swap addresses of blocks which are often used with those that are less 20081026 19:04:39< grrrX> it is simply that for compiling the raw speed they have yields more than just a new CPU 20081026 19:05:14< grrrX> well, as I said, if you have the extra cash and dont mind the smaller capacity ... 20081026 19:05:17< Sapient> ok, I'm not trying to get on the bleeding edge of technology or anything 20081026 19:07:49< grrrX> =) seeing how everything advances so quickly it might be the better choice 20081026 19:08:01< grrrX> buy cheap, buy often. surely works in IT 20081026 19:08:08< Espreon> I am not tempted. 20081026 19:09:01< zookeeper> i get [end_turn] to crash the other clients in 1.5.5 20081026 19:09:59< Sapient> that's quite a feature 20081026 19:11:34< grrrX> on a side note, "Fry's Electronic" is quite a name for a retailer chain =) 20081026 19:15:08< Espreon> Indeed it is. 20081026 19:15:15< CIA-41> espreon * r30387 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/map-howto.txt: * Updated the installation instructions. 20081026 19:17:03< grrrX> hmph, their current top offer isn't top at all =( 20081026 19:18:06< CIA-41> espreon * r30388 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/map-howto.txt: * Further clarified the second method. 20081026 19:23:51< grrrX> one other problem with vista + aero is that you need a dedicated 3d gfx card 20081026 19:23:58< grrrX> which drains on battery life 20081026 19:24:25< grrrX> if you still want a dualboot system the only painless option is to buy intel with gfx onboard 20081026 19:25:27< AI0867> zookeeper: wrap a try-catch around the play_network_turn()? 20081026 19:25:44< AI0867> I didn't think end_turn_exception would propagate out of that 20081026 19:26:14< loonycyborg> grrrX: No. The only painless option is to disable aero. 20081026 19:26:23< grrrX> =) 20081026 19:27:42< AI0867> that should be the default option for laptops 20081026 19:28:18< grrrX> well, going for gfx onboard should be possible then 20081026 19:28:31< AI0867> zookeeper: now compiling, will commit after that 20081026 19:30:37< loonycyborg> grrrX: With a dedicated video card you'll have the flexibility to use 3D capabilities if necessary. 20081026 19:30:43< Sapient> note: the irclog is still not working 20081026 19:30:58< Sapient> so if anyone has tried to send me a message in the log, don't 20081026 19:31:01< grrrX> intel GMA965 has 3D capabilities 20081026 19:31:23< grrrX> enough for compiz and such 20081026 19:31:39< Espreon> Compiz & Mettise are fun. 20081026 19:31:54< loonycyborg> grrrX: But it doesn't have CUDA and other nifty stuff. 20081026 19:32:07< grrrX> meh, I prefer a working WM over a fancy looking one =) 20081026 19:32:24< grrrX> so far, the daily experience with working with compiz wasn't very satisfying 20081026 19:32:33< Espreon> Mettise is both fancy and functional. 20081026 19:33:04< grrrX> ok, might give it a try then 20081026 19:33:25< Espreon> The only use I have for Compiz is to prevent the rain effects in BfW from lagging... 20081026 19:34:18< zookeeper> urgh. 1.5.5 seems to have a lot of all sorts of annoying MP bugs. 20081026 19:34:57< grrrX> usually it would be a good idea to have a desktop running on OpenGL. should free some cpu cycles at least 20081026 19:34:59< zookeeper> managed some OOS, then the scenario ended in defeat when my leader died but my teammates leader still lived, then when we recreated from a save the friendly ai side remained idle and no one could get control of it. 20081026 19:36:39< Sapient> that does suck ~_~ 20081026 19:37:01< Espreon> In terms of functionality Mettise > Compiz... In terms of fun Compiz > Mettise 20081026 19:39:39< grrrX> for a notebook I really do prefer battery life over fancy 3D stuff 20081026 19:40:19< loonycyborg> grrrX: That makes sense. 20081026 19:46:11-!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 19:46:52< zookeeper> and the problem with those bugs is that when i stumble across them in the middle of some big and complicated scenario, there's no way to track which causes them. 20081026 19:47:11< zookeeper> and naturally if i try to reproduce something similar in a minimalistic scenario, it fails. 20081026 19:47:18< Espreon> Meh, I am bored... I think I'll go play IFtU.. 20081026 19:49:27< Sapient> zookeeper: unfortunately, troubleshooting MP or synchronziation bugs is nearly impossible on the laptop 20081026 19:49:51< Sapient> I'm luck if I can run Code::Blocks and one instance of Wesnoth... two is out of the question 20081026 19:50:59< Sapient> if AI doesn't sort it out then I can set things up and have someone else connect remotely to send the end turn 20081026 19:51:32< zookeeper> well the end turn thing was straightforward enough to fix, i just removed it :p 20081026 19:51:46< zookeeper> the rest is the stuff i'm really annoyed about 20081026 19:52:20< Sapient> well, it may please you that I fixed an AI bug yesterday 20081026 19:52:22< zookeeper> oh, and at one point on event-triggering moveto i also got a random crash which didn't reproduce. 20081026 19:52:30< zookeeper> oh, what was it? 20081026 19:52:37-!- Sirp_ [n=me@nat/google/x-e4be30f4a0236024] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081026 19:53:05< Sapient> the one where enemy leaders would move off of the map 20081026 19:53:13< zookeeper> :x nice 20081026 19:53:54< Sapient> https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-commits/2008-10/msg00582.html 20081026 19:55:39< zookeeper> it'd be awesome (and probably completely unfeasible) if we had an OOS-debugging tool which would automatically fetch saves from both clients and figure out exactly at what point the states went OOS. 20081026 19:56:35< Sapient> yea 20081026 19:56:39< Sapient> I totally agree 20081026 19:57:31< zookeeper> well, of course it could just work manually too, instead of being completely automated 20081026 19:58:01< zookeeper> like, feed it with two savefiles and then it just runs each replay separately, and compares the states after every move, and then tells you where they go wrong 20081026 19:59:30-!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [] 20081026 20:00:51< Sapient> right, the problem is there are places in the code that rely on singleton behavior 20081026 20:01:08< Sapient> which is poor design for exactly this reason 20081026 20:01:39< zookeeper> hmh, what do singletons have to do with it? 20081026 20:01:40< Sapient> so it would require a lot of refactoring to have two completely separate game_sates 20081026 20:01:50< Sapient> let me give an example 20081026 20:01:51< zookeeper> well it could just do it using two separate processes, no? 20081026 20:02:53< Sapient> variables.cpp uses a singleton variable repository which supports a single game_state 20081026 20:04:25-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081026 20:04:47< Sapient> using two seperate processes could work but you'd have to come up with a good way to communicate between them 20081026 20:08:07< zookeeper> yep 20081026 20:10:01< Sapient> or you could send a unit checksum with every move event 20081026 20:10:49< Sapient> that might find it 20081026 20:11:08< Sapient> or, it would find it sooner 20081026 20:11:33< zookeeper> something like that might be good enough too 20081026 20:11:41< zookeeper> like some debug command which would do it on command 20081026 20:12:01< Sapient> or send a unit checksum for primary and secondary unit after every wml event 20081026 20:12:28< zookeeper> that wouldn't really be costly, would it? 20081026 20:12:51< Sapient> you probably wouldn't notice it 20081026 20:13:33< Sapient> it would make the replay savefile fill up a lot faster though 20081026 20:13:52< zookeeper> wouldn't it just take up one extra line per move? 20081026 20:14:33< Sapient> it would depend how many wml events you define 20081026 20:14:38< Sapient> such as "select" 20081026 20:15:20< zookeeper> urgh. yeah. 20081026 20:16:42< Sapient> then when a unit fails the checksum, it could trigger a full transmit of the unit WML so you could do a diff 20081026 20:16:58-!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081026 20:21:39< grrrX> I dont see why huge saves would be a problem if you fire up a client in debug mode 20081026 20:27:04< Sapient> you can't MP in debug mode ;) 20081026 20:27:21< Sapient> but I know what you mean 20081026 20:27:34< Sapient> yeah, I think it's a good tradeoff 20081026 20:27:56< Sapient> and it would be easier to implement than some of those other ideas 20081026 20:29:23< Sapient> zookeeper: in the mean time, please keep posting bug reports... 20081026 20:29:36< Sapient> it's the only way we will ever get 1.5 cleaned up 20081026 20:29:52< zookeeper> yeah, if i manage to figure out what the bugs actually are or how they could be reproduced -.- 20081026 20:30:03< Sapient> indeed 20081026 20:30:45< zookeeper> that's usually the hard part when it comes to OOS or random crashes. 20081026 20:32:45< Sapient> it would be nice if we can get that frequent checksum feature into the next dev release 20081026 20:33:57< Sapient> hmm... maybe it could be completely separate from the replay code and just transmit unrecorded checksums at predefined intervals 20081026 20:34:20< Sapient> like a beacon that you could turn off or on 20081026 20:35:21< zookeeper> well, at that point it could just send them when you tell it to, no? 20081026 20:35:48< Soliton> there's mp_debug. 20081026 20:36:01< Sapient> oh? 20081026 20:36:22< Sapient> wesnoth.exe --mp_debug ? 20081026 20:36:35< Soliton> --debug turns it on actually, i think. 20081026 20:36:52< Soliton> i've never really tested it. 20081026 20:37:07< Sapient> I never heard of it 20081026 20:38:07< Sapient> zookeeper: sending the entire gamestate at a keypress would take a long time and traffic 20081026 20:38:39< Sapient> better to send strategic checksums 20081026 20:39:20< Soliton> it sends checksums so you should see OOS when it happens and not only when it effects game rules. 20081026 20:39:58< Sapient> ok, that's a step in the right direction 20081026 20:40:35< Sapient> it should also transmit the serialized unit and perform a diff when an error is detected 20081026 20:42:21< Sapient> config has a built in diff function, too 20081026 20:42:38 * Sapient afk 20081026 20:53:16< zookeeper> a proper diff displayed in stderr or somewhere would be grand. 20081026 21:05:18-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 21:06:39-!- shikadibot [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081026 21:06:50-!- shikadibot [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 21:09:52-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]"] 20081026 21:13:31-!- hankle [n=hankle@port146.ds1-ik.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 21:13:53-!- hankle [n=hankle@port146.ds1-ik.adsl.cybercity.dk] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081026 21:31:45< AI0867> mettise is the new beryl? 20081026 21:46:46< esr> What's mettise? 20081026 21:48:03-!- shikadibot [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 21:49:40-!- AI0867 [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081026 21:52:02-!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081026 21:53:31-!- PK [n=pk@r74-192-44-206.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 22:05:58-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 22:15:41< esr> Espreon: ping? 20081026 22:15:52< Espreon> esr: Hmmmm? 20081026 22:17:02< Espreon> What is happening? 20081026 22:17:04< esr> I want to change the spacing on the tree brush, and I can't seem to beat the GIMP's brush editor out of read-only mode. How did you create it? 20081026 22:17:51< Espreon> Ummmmmmmm..... yo no hablo inglés. 20081026 22:18:10< Espreon> Anyway, I just took the tree from the map and I pasted it onto a new image. 20081026 22:18:26< Espreon> Maybe I will fix it for you. 20081026 22:19:56< Espreon> esr: What is thy desired spacing value? 20081026 22:20:53< esr> I won't know until I've experimented. Right now they overlap too much when I stroke. 20081026 22:21:32< esr> I think we've run into an inadequacy in the GIMP's editing tools. 20081026 22:22:01< Espreon> Oh well; I will attempt to rectify this problem anyway. 20081026 22:23:37< esr> Next up, I think having all those separate swamp bits may have been an error. I'm going to try to build a parametric swamp brug that random-scatters background bits and planys with the right density. 20081026 22:23:49< Espreon> At least this will allow me to procrastinate even more... 20081026 22:23:59< esr> s/planys/plants/ 20081026 22:24:31< Espreon> esr: I wish the word parametric meant something to me... 20081026 22:25:42< Espreon> esr: 50% spacing appears to have a nice effect... 20081026 22:26:09< esr> Commit it and I'll look. 20081026 22:26:21< Espreon> esr: Also I would rename the brush name of the trail dot brush so it stays with the other Wesnothian brushes... 20081026 22:26:39< esr> OK, do that. 20081026 22:28:21< Espreon> esr: How much spacing did the trail dot brush have/ 20081026 22:28:58< esr> I think I set it at 250. 20081026 22:30:04-!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-144-107.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081026 22:30:23< Espreon> esr: Great, I renamed it and fully retained your marvelous spacing. 20081026 22:30:57< esr> Checking... 20081026 22:31:06< Espreon> I need to commit first. 20081026 22:31:24< esr> Waiting. 20081026 22:32:03< CIA-41> espreon * r30389 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/brushes/ (wesnoth_traildot.gih wesnoth_tree.gih): * Renamed the trail dot brush name so that it stays with the other Wesnothian brushes in the editor. Set the tree brush's spacing to 50. 20081026 22:32:14< Espreon> This is fun. 20081026 22:33:19< Espreon> esr: Have fun. 20081026 22:34:56< Espreon> esr: It appears your idea of lazy cartography is lazier than my idea of lazy cartography. 20081026 22:36:20< esr> Yes, quite. 20081026 22:37:44< Espreon> esr: So was setting the spacing to 50 adequate? 20081026 22:39:11< esr> Checking. I',m also investigating something else; it may be that the traildot (and most otnese others) shouldn't be image hoses at all but GBRs. That would make them directly teweakable by the brush editor. 20081026 22:42:03< Espreon> Maybe we should convert them? 20081026 22:43:22-!- Max2008 [n=chatzill@88-117-108-222.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 22:45:41< Espreon> esr: Whaddaya think? 20081026 22:45:53-!- AI0867 [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081026 22:45:57< esr> I'm investigating now. 20081026 22:47:04< Espreon> AI0867: Welcome back... 20081026 22:47:10< Max2008> hi! i'm trying to get wesnoth to compile on vs2008 and beside some other stuff i get lots of warnings about "type name first seen using 'struct' now seen using 'class'" 20081026 22:47:28< Max2008> is there a technical reason for this? 20081026 22:47:58< esr> The new swamp and mountain brushes, which will stroke variable images, really do need to be image hoses. But the tree and traildots and forts should probably be GBRs. Now, if I can figure out why my GBR conversion of the trail tot isn't showing in the brush display... 20081026 22:48:22< Espreon> Maybe I should try... 20081026 22:49:31< Espreon> Done. 20081026 22:49:47< Espreon> esr: I did it. 20081026 22:50:28< Espreon> esr: I will commit it. 20081026 22:51:13< Espreon> OK? 20081026 22:51:58-!- maxy [n=maxy@80-219-1-12.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 20081026 22:52:19< Espreon> esr: Did you restart GIMP? For new brushes to appear in GIMP, GIMP must be restarted. 20081026 22:53:14< CIA-41> espreon * r30390 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/brushes/ (wesnoth_traildot.gbr wesnoth_traildot.gih): * Converted the trail dot brush from a gih to a gbr. 20081026 22:54:46< esr> Espreon: That's not true. The Refresh button on the brushes dialog rereads them. 20081026 22:54:49< Espreon> esr: Would you like me to convert the forts and cities to gbrs? 20081026 22:55:16< Espreon> I was unaware of a refresh button... 20081026 22:55:21< esr> Is the GBR dot showing in your brush dialog? If so, yers. 20081026 22:55:27< Espreon> Yes. 20081026 22:55:32< esr> s/yers/yes/ 20081026 22:55:36< Espreon> I committed it a couple mins ago. 20081026 22:56:11< esr> OK, go ahead and convert the others, then -- that will hake the spacing easier to adjust. 20081026 22:56:41< Espreon> esr: Should the trees and labels be gbrs? 20081026 23:01:38< esr> Probably. 20081026 23:03:32< esr> I have a different fate in mind for the label, though. A "parametric" brush is one where the image can be variied by up to three parameters, one of which can be the scroll wheel state. I may try writing a parametric label brush where soinning the scroll wheel changes the length. 20081026 23:03:55< Espreon> That would be nice. 20081026 23:04:25< Espreon> So don't convert the label? 20081026 23:04:57-!- boucman [n=rosen@57.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20081026 23:04:59< Espreon> esr: I will convert the cities/forts later as I need to finish my book report. 20081026 23:05:29< esr> OK, have fun. Just commit what you have and I'll work on it. 20081026 23:06:02< Espreon> Actually I did not convert any cities/forts yet; I only converted the trail dot. 20081026 23:06:06< Espreon> Bye. 20081026 23:06:09-!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]"] 20081026 23:08:53-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. 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