--- Log opened Wed Oct 29 00:00:00 2008 20081029 00:00:24< esr> Sirp_: Because the G1 is aimed like a frickin' cannon right at the market segment Apple wants to own -- strategically, /needs/ to own. 20081029 00:00:44< mordante> but it was nice to hear some of their ideas and think, "hey I use those methods as well" 20081029 00:04:55< esr> I'm already thinking out the design of my first Android app -- Wallpaper Wobbler, a little demon that will periodically randomly change your wallpaper for another from the gallery. And let you manage the gallery, of course. 20081029 00:05:28< esr> Seems like a good learning project for the SDK. 20081029 00:06:23< Sirp_> esr: ahhhh I have a very different opinion on the market segment they are aimed at, but...probably can't talk about it much. 20081029 00:07:07< esr> :-) 20081029 00:08:19< esr> Well, bear in mind that T-Mobile's objectives for the G1 aren't necessarily identical to Google's objectives for Android. Probably shorter-term and more revenue-focysedm for starters. 20081029 00:08:20< Sirp_> though if you think about it, if you use the iPhone you will probably search on Google just as much as you would with an Android phone, so if all it's going to do is capture market share off Apple, I'm not sure what the point is for Google. :) 20081029 00:08:29< Sirp_> and sure, absolutely. 20081029 00:08:42-!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d8540ad.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081029 00:08:56< Sirp_> T-Mobile's aims are doubtless rather different. 20081029 00:09:23-!- Soliton changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 49 bugs, 207 feature requests, 8 patches | logs: http://irclog.wesnoth.org and http://wesnoth.org/irclogs | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste, http://paste.debian.net, http://pastebin.ca 20081029 00:09:47-!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081029 00:10:01< esr> I see thge day coming when our cellphones will *be* our primary computers, networking promiscuously with whatever Bluetooth screen and display happens to be nearest. 20081029 00:10:47< esr> Laptops will seem as quaint as model Ts. 20081029 00:10:48< Sirp_> oh yes, absolutely. 20081029 00:11:08< Sirp_> and the way things are at the moment, it looks like likely that those phones need not run closed-source software! 20081029 00:11:28< loonycyborg> esr: Btw do you type much on the googlephone? 20081029 00:11:39 * mordante waits until they don't need to run Java ;) 20081029 00:11:39< Sirp_> (especially not Windows, though let's be honest here, an Apple/RIMM/Vodafone etc hegemony would be just as bad) 20081029 00:11:51< esr> Bwahaha. My sinister master plan for world domination is working! 20081029 00:12:32< esr> loonycyborg: The keyboard is the suckiest feature of the hardware, but I'm coping with it. 20081029 00:13:00< loonycyborg> Do you expect it to be solved? 20081029 00:13:15-!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 00:13:44< loonycyborg> How can phones be primary computers when you have hard time typing on them? 20081029 00:14:10< esr> Bluetooth-capable keyboards as detachable parts. 20081029 00:14:22< esr> Ditto displays. 20081029 00:14:43< mordante> use a speech interface ;) 20081029 00:14:44< loonycyborg> Isn't it easier just to carry a laptop? :) 20081029 00:15:52< esr> loonycyborg: No, not when we get that technology. People will leave screens and displays lying around like we do pencils and notepads. Wander up to one, bind the device to your cell, start working. 20081029 00:16:58< esr> Of course wifi will be ecerywhere. 20081029 00:22:49< YogiHH> good night 20081029 00:23:01-!- YogiHH [i=YogiHH@c186078.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 20081029 00:23:50-!- mordante_ [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 00:25:21-!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has quit ["Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 20081029 00:25:57-!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081029 00:34:48 as noted in the topic current irclogs are available at http://wesnoth.org/irclogs now. if you want more channels or something say so. 20081029 00:36:33 #wesnoth-de would be nice as well 20081029 00:37:20 dont log wesnoth-mp =) 20081029 00:38:02 thanks, Soliton 20081029 00:38:06-!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. If you see a quit message virus, don't replace your quit message with it!"] 20081029 00:38:19 i am off to bed now, n8 20081029 00:38:26 night Ivanovic 20081029 00:41:30-!- mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 00:45:16-!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 00:51:28 esr: sharing keyboard docks sounds like a recipe for lots of germs... 20081029 00:54:07 maybe people will design pants with little squares near the knees that register as keys ;) 20081029 00:58:05 or have kbds that are easy to clean 20081029 00:58:52 cya later, have fun. 20081029 00:58:52-!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-35-203.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #wesnoth-dev [] --- Log closed Wed Oct 29 00:59:41 2008 --- Log opened Wed Oct 29 00:59:41 2008 --- Log closed Wed Oct 29 01:01:52 2008 --- Log opened Wed Oct 29 01:01:52 2008 20081029 01:03:49 esr:back 20081029 01:03:56 temporarily, though 20081029 01:18:38 night 20081029 01:18:51 -!- mordante_ is now known as mordante 20081029 01:19:08 -!- mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]"] 20081029 01:23:50 -!- PK [n=pk@r74-192-44-206.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 01:24:20 -!- PK [n=pk@r74-192-44-206.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20081029 01:28:39 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081029 01:31:28 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBF907.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20081029 01:34:04 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 02:21:17 -!- Rhonda_ [n=rhonda@xanadoo.deb.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 02:21:25 -!- Rhonda [n=rhonda@debian/developer/alfie] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081029 02:27:03 * Jetryl -> out 20081029 02:34:31 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 02:38:14 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081029 02:40:43 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit ["On the road again"] 20081029 02:43:35 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 03:13:16 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081029 03:25:26 -!- Sirp [n=me@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 03:28:07 -!- kthakore [n=kthakore@99.255.245.40] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20081029 03:28:20 -!- kthakore2 [n=kthakore@99.255.245.40] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 04:12:08 -!- Ivanovic_ [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db2216a.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 04:29:24 -!- Ivanovic [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db21e56.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 04:30:06 -!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20081029 05:01:03 -!- Psyche^ [n=Psyche@e177239138.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 05:02:38 -!- kthakore2 [n=kthakore@99.255.245.40] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081029 05:02:59 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081029 05:12:58 -!- Patterner [n=Psyche@e177229220.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 05:12:58 -!- Psyche^ is now known as Patterner 20081029 05:18:53 -!- Espreon [n=espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 05:18:55 -!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@adsl-76-229-220-201.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081029 05:19:32 Hello people. 20081029 05:22:10 esr: Are you here? 20081029 05:29:50 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 05:34:31 hi Espreon 20081029 05:35:56 Sirp: Hello Sirp. 20081029 05:36:06 I just realized that I hate kdesvn... 20081029 05:39:57 * Sirp loves the command line. 20081029 05:40:25 all those Gnome and KDE applications suck equally badly 20081029 05:40:41 I am fine with the command line. 20081029 05:41:57 Sirp: I agree with you... a lot of them do suck... 20081029 05:42:03 *kills do 20081029 05:42:25 In fact I am removing a bunch right now... 20081029 05:43:41 Sirp: I am curious... which DE and/or wm do you use if any? 20081029 05:47:50 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 05:48:06 Welcome. 20081029 05:48:34 Gnome. 20081029 05:48:51 just because it's the default, does everything I want out of a WM, and comes installed nicely by default on Ubuntu. 20081029 05:49:16 and looks less intrusive than KDE to me, which looks way too glossy and annoying and has this silly dragon mascot popping up 20081029 05:49:21 Sirp: I usually use KDE... but I tend to use GNOME, Xfce, BB and other wms/DEs... 20081029 05:49:38 Sirp: Well I do not have Konqi pouncing on me... 20081029 05:50:30 Removing many apps after a fresh Sabayon install is one of my pastimes.... 20081029 05:53:36 -!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has quit [Client Quit] 20081029 05:53:38 Sirp: BTW, GNOME is not a wm... it is a DE... 20081029 05:56:14 I think I will switch to Blackbox... 20081029 05:57:25 Espreon: yeah, sorry, so I use Metacity. ;) 20081029 05:58:21 Ever since I discovered Metisse I starting frowning upon Compiz... 20081029 06:02:19 I'm here. 20081029 06:02:43 esr: Even though I probably know the answer... did you look at TSL yet? 20081029 06:03:28 No. I'm trying to locate the revision where the AI's behavior in Bay of Perals broke. Somewhat higher priority... 20081029 06:03:36 Have fun. 20081029 06:04:42 esr: I am sure you will have fun playing TSL's first scenario... Anyway... have fun fixing that atrocious bug. 20081029 06:06:41 Who agrees that elgooG is uber? (Please excuse the lack of an umlaut) 20081029 06:11:57 You mean, über? <- esr figured out how to enable þe compose key earlier today. 20081029 06:12:15 esr: Tell me... I NEED THE COMPOSE KEY! 20081029 06:12:28 Tell me how to enable the divine key... please... 20081029 06:12:30 Are you on Ubuntu? 20081029 06:12:34 Nope. 20081029 06:12:41 GNOME? 20081029 06:12:51 I could login into GNOME... 20081029 06:13:48 esr: So what is thy method? 20081029 06:14:01 -!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 06:14:14 System -> Preferences ->Keyboard -> Layouts -> Layout Options -> Compose key position 20081029 06:14:22 Sounds like fun! 20081029 06:16:15 I transformed the right alt key into a divine compose key... 20081029 06:16:20 Lets try it! 20081029 06:17:16 That's the same binding I use. 20081029 06:17:29 Los telefónos. 20081029 06:17:47 YAY! 20081029 06:17:54 I feel so happy... 20081029 06:18:28 I am so happy that I wanna remove more apps from my fresh Sabayon install! 20081029 06:19:39 I hate the fact that lxnay added RealPlayer to Sabayon... 20081029 06:19:48 esr: Isn't that muy horrible? 20081029 06:20:21 I actually have no idea what you're talking about. 20081029 06:20:35 esr: Sabayon is a Linux distro 20081029 06:20:48 esr: Lxnay is the Internet alias of the creator of Sabayon Linux 20081029 06:21:01 And he put RealPlayer into Sabayon... 20081029 06:23:38 Meh... compose does not wanna put an umlaut on a u... 20081029 06:23:44 Espreon: isn't Sabayon just Gentoo+some binpkgs? 20081029 06:23:44 It will do it for a... but not for u... 20081029 06:23:57 ABCD: It is a bit fancier than that. 20081029 06:24:23 (I use Gentoo, so... :) ) 20081029 06:24:52 *Espreon is too impatient to install pure Gentoo* 20081029 06:26:23 Þorn is über. 20081029 06:26:31 * ABCD has some /real/ strange setups 20081029 06:26:42 Congrats. 20081029 06:27:38 I wonder if compose produce an ingwaz. 20081029 06:27:49 try putting the root filesystem on a loopback mounted file on top of an ntfs partition (mounted using ntfs-3g) :) 20081029 06:27:52 Fiŋers are funny. 20081029 06:27:54 YAY! 20081029 06:28:03 ABCD: No thanks... 20081029 06:28:07 :) 20081029 06:28:30 Noneþeless, fiŋers are funny... 20081029 06:28:57 ABCD: Dost thou agree? 20081029 06:29:10 :) 20081029 06:29:25 I assume þat would be a yes... 20081029 06:29:49 ¿Correcto mi amigo? 20081029 06:30:33 Now to compile þe GIMP. 20081029 06:31:30 Over the past few months I made 89¢. 20081029 06:31:41 esr: Þank you so much. 20081029 06:34:20 Awww... I need to unmask some packages to compile þe latest version of þe GIMP... 20081029 06:35:20 Espreon: which desktop environment do you use? 20081029 06:36:22 ABCD: Mainly I use KDE; sometimes I will use GNOME; other times I will use Xfce; other times I will use BB. 20081029 06:36:58 Espreon: good answer :) 20081029 06:37:12 CRAP! 20081029 06:37:26 I could have used an iŋwaz... 20081029 06:37:33 GŊOME. 20081029 06:37:37 Oops... 20081029 06:37:42 ŊOME. 20081029 06:37:50 No... 20081029 06:37:53 Ugh... 20081029 06:38:03 That would be if it were NGOME... 20081029 06:38:31 *We all have epic screw-ups and whatnot. 20081029 06:39:02 don't forget to read about the "encyclopædia" ;) 20081029 06:39:17 Who needs ash? 20081029 06:40:03 In American Eŋlish we chaŋe it þe æ to an e. 20081029 06:40:13 *kills it* 20081029 06:40:27 (I know, I live here :) 20081029 06:40:40 I really need to keep my pinkie away from the enter key... 20081029 06:40:59 I love the "ə" 20081029 06:41:28 Elder Fuþark is über. 20081029 06:43:38 ABCD: I þink þorns and iŋwazes should be revived into Modern Eŋlish. 20081029 06:52:31 CRAP... blocked packages... I will have to solve þis... tomorrow... 20081029 07:08:52 I think I'll go back to using Clawsmail... 20081029 07:39:46 Ah, good ol' Claws Mail... 20081029 07:41:38 I do not know why I abandoned it and went to KMail + Kontact & friends... 20081029 07:49:21 moin 20081029 07:50:18 hi Ivanovic 20081029 07:50:30 Ivanovic: are you going to create that new forum we discussed? :) 20081029 07:51:44 yes, i will 20081029 07:51:55 just not right now, getting ready to leave to uni/work 20081029 07:54:13 What is this new forum being discussed? 20081029 07:54:41 -!- Sirp [n=me@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20081029 07:55:00 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081029 07:55:15 a subforum to be ignored by moderators... 20081029 07:55:16 ;) 20081029 07:55:59 Muy interesante... 20081029 07:56:39 Ivanovic: Please tell me more... 20081029 07:57:08 no time right now since i got to leave in ~5mins 20081029 07:57:29 All right. 20081029 07:57:51 And I need to wake up in three hours... 20081029 07:57:56 basically the title will be something like "rants and complains" 20081029 07:58:04 Ah. 20081029 08:04:16 Ivanovic: Can you imagine an Orcish Shyde... I can't... 20081029 08:05:26 hmm, i in general can imagine lots of stuff 20081029 08:05:37 but i think i can not be drunken enough for an orcish shyde 20081029 08:06:10 Like what would it be... "faerie" touch 10-3... Or maybe it would be more brutal... 20081029 08:06:20 Anyway... I would like to see an Orcish Sylph... 20081029 08:06:24 faerie hug 20081029 08:06:26 ;) 20081029 08:06:29 ... 20081029 08:06:59 Or færie hug... I am not sure if færie is an acceptable spelling... 20081029 08:07:16 Yup, it is. 20081029 08:07:45 Ivanovic: Ever since esr told me how to emulate the divine composite key... I have been much happier... 20081029 08:07:51 anyway, i am off now, cu 20081029 08:07:54 Bye. 20081029 08:08:12 * esr fears he has created an orthographic monster. 20081029 08:08:25 esr: To whom are you referring? 20081029 08:08:32 :-) 20081029 08:09:08 esr: Me? 20081029 08:10:11 esr: I wish Thunderstone was exposed to more love... 20081029 08:10:31 esr: I hope you-know-who forgets anything about eliminating supernatural stuff... 20081029 08:12:26 esr: Do you agree? 20081029 08:16:03 Sci-fi + supernatural stuff = fun. 20081029 08:17:14 I should probably let those updates install now... 20081029 08:18:59 Whoopie... only 302 more to go... 20081029 08:19:10 ...ampersand whatnot... 20081029 08:21:18 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 08:22:00 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 08:22:25 Thunderstone is still under development, then? 20081029 08:23:49 esr: It has not been touched for quite a while. 20081029 08:24:09 esr: I hope SM does not go through with his ideas of eliminating supernatural stuff... 20081029 08:25:00 That seems surprising coming from him. 20081029 08:25:09 Indeed... 20081029 08:25:34 I think the Ilumanti replaced the real SM with a fake SM... 20081029 08:25:38 Maybe... 20081029 08:26:04 I'll havce a talk with him about it next time he shows up here. 20081029 08:26:10 esr: I think sci-fi with no supernatural stuff is quite dull... 20081029 08:26:25 Or maybe because supernatural stuff and hitech stuff stick badly together? 20081029 08:26:36 I don't. I like hard SF. But this is not a hard-SF game. 20081029 08:27:06 The mix can be done well, but it takes thought and care. 20081029 08:27:13 Yeah. 20081029 08:27:33 Also it would probably have to be used sparingly... 20081029 08:30:28 esr: I have a hilarious idea... 20081029 08:31:55 Espreon: And I have problem you can help me with. 20081029 08:33:04 esr: Yes? 20081029 08:33:26 Wait, I may have solved it... 20081029 08:34:01 (-:þ 20081029 08:34:02 Oh Mother Goddess what a *shitty* UI design! 20081029 08:34:28 What is the matter? 20081029 08:34:32 I just figured out how to fill in a To list in the PM interface. 20081029 08:34:44 Heh... 20081029 08:35:51 Obey the hat smiley... 20081029 08:36:00 (-:þ 20081029 08:36:15 It's not sufficient to give a list of usernames, no, you have to click a silly button, because it's too fucking brain-dead to figure out that it ought to actually use the contents of the box labeled "Usernames:" unless you do that. 20081029 08:36:28 &%$#*! 20081029 08:37:15 That is quite horrible. 20081029 08:37:34 esr: Wiþ what did you need help? 20081029 08:39:22 -!- Soliton [n=Soliton@rzdspc10.informatik.uni-hamburg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081029 08:39:40 -!- Soliton [n=Soliton@rzdspc10.informatik.uni-hamburg.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 08:40:46 World updates are fun... 20081029 08:41:29 You mean like in "emerge world"? 20081029 08:42:18 Sorta... 20081029 08:42:28 I am dealing with "equo world." 20081029 08:42:32 Because I am impatient. 20081029 08:43:37 31 out o' 302... 20081029 08:46:02 If English had ambipositions... then... LOL... 20081029 08:46:06 esr: Right? 20081029 08:46:17 Espreon: I was going to ask you how to get it to notice the contents of the Usernames box, but I figured it out. 20081029 08:46:44 esr: Wouldn't it be funny if English had ambipositions... 20081029 08:46:46 ? 20081029 08:48:58 -!- mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 08:49:33 Actually, English arguably does. "They traveled the whole day through." vs. "They traveled through the whole day." 20081029 08:49:40 morning 20081029 08:50:06 Morning. 20081029 08:50:17 hi esr 20081029 08:51:40 esr: Well... you are experiencing something known as "interacting with fatigued Espreon." 20081029 08:51:56 mordante: Hello. 20081029 08:52:04 hi Espreon 20081029 08:53:00 46 out of 302... yay.… 20081029 08:53:51 esr: You know a lot... Would you please explain the asterism to me? 20081029 09:04:40 Oh. An "asterism" is any visual grouping of stars in the night sky that is not one of the officially recognized constellations. 20081029 09:05:23 esr: No, I meant the punctuation mark. 20081029 09:05:35 asterisk? 20081029 09:05:46 No, asterism. 20081029 09:05:54 ??? 20081029 09:05:57 It appears as a triangle of asterisks... 20081029 09:06:43 ⁂ 20081029 09:06:58 esr: Does it render correctly? 20081029 09:07:47 Wack. I've never actually heard of that one. Though there's a similar mark used by some occult fraternities, like the A:.A:. 20081029 09:08:36 it renders correctly over here 20081029 09:08:44 Here, too. 20081029 09:08:54 Indexes are fun as well. 20081029 09:09:06 *Espreon loves to study obscure punctuation marks* 20081029 09:10:31 Did you know the astronomical meaning? 20081029 09:11:19 Yup. 20081029 09:12:06 esr: What does plastic mean as an adjective? Please note, I am looking for an obscure meaning. 20081029 09:12:39 Malleable or pliable; capable of being shaped. 20081029 09:12:51 And... 20081029 09:13:14 That's the most obscure sense I know. 20081029 09:13:29 I was looking for creative. 20081029 09:14:12 Espreon: I presume you know about the triangle of dots mathematicians use for "therefore". 20081029 09:14:54 Well, some people metonymize "plastic" to mean "fake" or "artificial". 20081029 09:15:21 About the therefore thing... no, but I do know of the therefore sign which is three dots in a triangle. 20081029 09:16:48 Yo no gusto actividad hache... 20081029 09:17:18 Yup... activity h does not please me... 20081029 09:18:33 Knowledge of Old Norse + knowledge of Youŋer Fuþark = fun. 20081029 09:18:41 esr: You know why? 20081029 09:46:08 Good-bye... 20081029 09:46:13 -!- Espreon [n=espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081029 10:56:59 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 11:02:49 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-69-253-13-5.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 11:03:33 esr: Are you here? 20081029 11:06:16 -!- EdB [n=EdB@118.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 11:06:25 Welcome. 20081029 11:10:03 -!- Espreon_ [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 11:10:30 -!- Espreon_ [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081029 11:28:09 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-69-253-13-5.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 11:40:34 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! 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If you see a quit message virus, don't replace your quit message with it!"] 20081029 11:47:26 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 11:54:04 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBF84B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 11:59:17 -!- EdB [n=EdB@118.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20081029 12:01:34 -!- mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081029 12:02:21 -!- mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 12:21:32 -!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 14:04:24 -!- Sapient [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 14:25:53 -!- Sapien2 [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 14:27:40 -!- Sapient [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081029 14:29:59 on http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/BuildingCampaignsDirectoryStructure there is a link to a campaign folder template 20081029 14:30:11 but that link is to an external site, why? 20081029 14:30:25 (http://www.savefile.com/files/1784168) 20081029 14:31:53 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has left #wesnoth-dev ["In Soviet Russia, channel /parts YOU!!"] 20081029 14:32:47 grrrX, maybe he didn't realize he could just link to the forum attachment instead. 20081029 14:37:24 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 14:37:32 the template in xer's thread lacks the _server.pbl 20081029 14:37:55 I guess I just post an MP campaign template in that thread now and link to that from the wiki 20081029 14:38:27 way more trustworthy than a download site one has never heard of 20081029 14:44:10 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 14:48:25 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20081029 14:50:04 ok, updated http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/BuildingCampaignsDirectoryStructure with a forum link for the template and also added a link to xer's thread 20081029 14:50:25 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBF84B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20081029 14:52:16 -!- Sapient [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 15:06:13 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 15:07:24 -!- ilor [n=a@avi168.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 15:17:02 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit ["Power failu"] 20081029 15:21:43 Rh0nda, any idea when the logs will be back? 20081029 15:22:32 I have them all *hides* 20081029 15:23:02 zookeeper you saw Soliton added his log to the topic as well? 20081029 15:25:11 i didn't 20081029 15:25:36 maybe iclog.wesnoth.org should point to the new one? 20081029 15:25:59 * mordante misses wesbot :( 20081029 15:27:31 mordante: I'm terribly sorry, I tried to load the script here. 20081029 15:28:14 But the "topic" feature strangely doesn't work and I have no freaking idea why not :( 20081029 15:28:23 Rh0nda: hug mordante 20081029 15:28:23 * Rh0nda hugs mordante 20081029 15:28:36 :) 20081029 15:28:53 Rh0nda hug Rhonda_ 20081029 15:28:54 * Rh0nda hugs Rhonda_ 20081029 15:29:02 Rh0nda: log 30407 20081029 15:29:12 erm 20081029 15:29:16 Rhonda_: log 30407 20081029 15:29:31 * Rh0nda scratches hear head 20081029 15:29:40 Rh0nda: log 30407 20081029 15:29:45 soliton * r30407 : small logic simplification for better readability 20081029 15:29:52 oh, wrong way round, I'm confusing myself ... 20081029 15:30:06 Rh0nda seen broodkiller 20081029 15:30:40 Rh0nda: seen broodkiller 20081029 15:30:46 oh, wait 20081029 15:30:58 Haven't loaded the seen script yet :) 20081029 15:31:04 Rh0nda: seen mordante 20081029 15:31:04 Rhonda_: Queried user mordante is currently here on on the channel #wesnoth-de. 20081029 15:31:17 Rh0nda seen broodkiller 20081029 15:31:18 mordante: Sorry, I don't know of broodkiller. 20081029 15:31:34 Just loaded the script so it doesn't know it yet 20081029 15:31:45 yes expected that somehow :/ 20081029 15:32:11 ah well then I'll send him a PM 20081029 15:34:21 but nice to know wesbot partly is back :) 20081029 15:38:17 Feel free to abuse me for the time being. Just don't ask me for the topic, otherwise it will get deleted. 20081029 15:39:18 Rh0nda: when will the next release be ready? 20081029 15:41:03 * mordante thinks Rh0nda should have said use instead ;) 20081029 15:42:06 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 15:45:02 Sapient: That's one of those nonsense questions that not even wesbot would dare to answer. 20081029 15:46:27 * Sapient was expecting IIRWIIR 20081029 16:11:58 * zookeeper notes that it's really annoying to write WML to store the locations within a specific unit's vision range 20081029 16:12:31 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 16:13:03 (even in a situation which is limited to 1mp and 2mp terrains only) 20081029 16:13:18 (and it's a fixed unit, not an arbitrary one) 20081029 16:15:09 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 16:16:35 Sapient, i have an array of locations containing a "hidden road". now i'm trying to make a new turn event which makes a unit to reveal all the hidden road hexes within its vision range, and this is what i have: http://rafb.net/p/IZp4Iy32.html 20081029 16:16:47 do you think it could be made in a less clumsy way? 20081029 16:17:08 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has quit ["KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/"] 20081029 16:18:43 (while it's actually a pretty short piece of code, that special case for handling the 2mp terrains seems to have some little glitch and is giving me a headache) 20081029 16:19:18 hiho 20081029 16:21:48 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 16:23:32 hi Ivanovic 20081029 16:24:55 loonycyborg: are you already using the latest libsdl release for the windows binary? 20081029 16:24:58 ivanovic * r30410 /branches/1.4/po/ (12 files in 11 dirs): updated Galician and German translation 20081029 16:27:09 ivanovic * r30411 /trunk/po/ (15 files in 13 dirs): updated Galician and Italian translation 20081029 16:27:10 Ivanovic: No. I use 1.2.12 20081029 16:27:51 loonycyborg: any special reason? 20081029 16:28:21 that is we met sam (the lead sdl dev) at the mentor summit and he will have a look at bugs with sdl we got 20081029 16:28:23 No. 20081029 16:28:47 for this he will just need bugreports (he has *not* heard about the reports from our tracker since it looks like they were not reported upstream) 20081029 16:29:28 and he said that some of the reports we pointed him to (those marked as upstream report) might already be fixed in the latest version 20081029 16:30:48 Yes. I remember a bug about question marks in window header which was closed as upstream problem. 20081029 16:31:28 This should be fixed in 1.2.13 but I didn't get any difference when I replaced the .dll 20081029 16:43:05 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 16:44:56 * zookeeper also notes that he still has little idea of how to use SLF radius in complicated situations 20081029 16:45:22 -!- ilor_ [n=a@ava139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 16:46:38 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has left #wesnoth-dev ["In Soviet Russia, channel /parts YOU!!"] 20081029 16:47:16 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081029 16:53:00 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 17:01:43 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20081029 17:08:00 yo zookeeper 20081029 17:08:09 let me take a look at that 20081029 17:08:16 * Sapient reads 20081029 17:09:16 wait a sec 20081029 17:09:22 i'm testing something, maybe i got it already 20081029 17:09:38 (but yeah, i wouldn't mind if you got a suggestion on a better general idea) 20081029 17:09:52 so... not sure I understand what you're trying to do 20081029 17:10:04 there is a variable hidden path with an array of locations 20081029 17:10:19 then you are setting it to Re terrain 20081029 17:10:39 but what is the reveal criteria? 20081029 17:10:46 there's a unit who knows where the hidden road is, so he "sees" it on turn start 20081029 17:10:51 that unit's vision range 20081029 17:14:01 ah 20081029 17:14:18 my current problem is however that i just can't figure out the SLF's i need. 20081029 17:14:38 I would probably just use a simple radius 20081029 17:15:10 since it's easier to explain the mechanic to the player too 20081029 17:17:32 ah, now i got a basic form working. 20081029 17:18:56 well, i dislike introducing arbitrary values like that 20081029 17:19:21 the movement/vision range is a very natural kind of radius to use 20081029 17:20:05 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 17:39:14 -!- Netsplit brown.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: erl, BenUrban, Soliton, ilor_, Rhonda_, Rh0nda 20081029 17:40:25 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 17:40:55 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Soliton, Rhonda_, Rh0nda, ilor_, BenUrban, erl 20081029 17:46:17 what the - now it works?! 20081029 17:46:22 -!- rhonda [n=rhonda@lmlo.sil.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 17:46:27 Rh0nda: topic 20081029 17:46:29 -!- Rh0nda changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 50 bugs, 207 feature requests, 8 patches | logs: http://irclog.wesnoth.org and http://wesnoth.org/irclogs | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste, http://paste.debian.net, http://pastebin.ca 20081029 17:47:05 -!- rhonda [n=rhonda@lmlo.sil.at] has quit [Client Quit] 20081029 17:47:18 * Rh0nda has no idea why it does now ... 20081029 17:47:51 Sapient, well, i managed to get everything but the 2mp terrain stuff working, i think. 20081029 17:48:53 eh, nevermind, now it suddenly and mysteriously broke again completely.. 20081029 18:07:38 sorry I'm a bit busy for the next few hours 20081029 18:07:57 I'd appreciate it if you send it in a PM though 20081029 18:08:07 looks interesting 20081029 18:11:05 sure 20081029 18:15:48 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit ["Power failu"] 20081029 18:17:21 Sapient: I ran a regression to pin down when the AI in Bay of Pearls went passive. It was in Soliton's 30299, the fix to make the AI less passive. Did you know this? 20081029 18:17:51 I did not 20081029 18:18:18 any kind of version jumping is out of the question for me on my super slow setup 20081029 18:18:36 that is very useful information though; thanks 20081029 18:20:36 Sapient, sent you a PM...i hopefully won't be working on it for a few hours myself now :p 20081029 18:31:00 Sapient That commit has two bands. The problem is introduced by the second one, tweaking ai_move.c. My suspicion falls on the a_star_search call. 20081029 18:32:15 Fortunately, I have optical fiber to my house and a fast machine. Full regressions arren't exactly pleasant, but I can do them. 20081029 18:45:23 -!- jon316-brb [n=jon316@dhcp-207-237.resnet.messiah.edu] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 18:45:51 -!- jon316-brb [n=jon316@dhcp-207-237.resnet.messiah.edu] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081029 19:47:08 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@71-10-234-12.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 19:49:52 Ivanovic:, zookeeper: I think you'll both be pleased to hear that I just removed two scenarios from Delfador's Memoirs. They worked as scenarios but they were excess bulk on the campaign. (Santi has approved.) 20081029 19:50:20 yay 20081029 19:50:34 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d856c67.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 19:51:05 ivanovic * r30412 /branches/1.4/po/wesnoth/ (46 files): pot-update (should not change strings...) 20081029 19:59:48 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d856c67.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081029 20:01:02 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 20:02:09 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d856c67.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 20:02:17 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 20:04:26 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 20:08:03 esr: network bandwidth will be irrelevant if you use git for bisection searchs :) 20081029 20:26:35 -!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081029 20:32:25 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBF84B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 20:38:41 -!- ilor_ [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [] 20081029 20:39:06 -!- ilor [n=a@ava139.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 20:52:20 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081029 20:57:59 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 21:04:04 -!- Sapien3 [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 21:05:47 * mordante kicks CIA-41 20081029 21:05:48 ow 20081029 21:07:38 mordante * r30413 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (grid.cpp grid.hpp window.cpp): 20081029 21:07:38 Fix the language dialog. 20081029 21:07:38 The 'fix' is bit ugly and needs a proper fix later on. 20081029 21:10:41 -!- Sapien3 [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081029 21:18:31 -!- loonycyborg_ [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 21:19:55 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20081029 21:19:59 -!- loonycyborg_ is now known as loonycyborg 20081029 21:20:40 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@217.10.38.214] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 21:24:09 -!- grrr_ [n=_@p57BBFDC8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 21:28:30 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 21:28:58 esr: the ai_move.cpp change was not strictly necessary, i think. it just looked like an odd difference (to 1.4) but if that was actually needed it can easily be reverted. 20081029 21:30:24 Soliton: I think you actually did right, but exposed a bad interaction between the pathfinder and the rest of the AI that's at the root of other bugs as well. I'm going to post to the ML about this 20081029 21:31:01 So I don't think we shhould revert you chasnge, actually. That would only treat the symptom. 20081029 21:31:36 -!- Sapient [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 21:31:50 -!- Sapien2 [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 21:43:14 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBF84B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 21:44:23 i am off to bed, n8 20081029 21:45:42 night Ivanovic 20081029 21:49:07 mordante * r30414 /trunk/src/ (network_new.cpp network_new.hpp): Remove some unused files. 20081029 21:51:29 night 20081029 21:51:54 -!- mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]"] 20081029 21:58:39 -!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-35-203.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 21:58:47 hi zookeeper 20081029 21:58:48 yo sapient! 20081029 21:59:02 well, that's certainly a fascinating problem you sent me 20081029 21:59:18 I did come up with an algorithm though 20081029 21:59:28 i've _almost_ got it entirely working, but there's a little glitch every now and then 20081029 21:59:30 oh? 20081029 21:59:48 show plz 20081029 21:59:49 yes, you need to build a reach_list array 20081029 21:59:56 I haven't written it yet 20081029 22:00:01 well, ok 20081029 22:00:41 you mean something like iterate through every hex around the unit separately? 20081029 22:00:54 not exactly 20081029 22:01:05 it's very similar to your current approach 20081029 22:01:45 but instead of adding to road_spotting_range, you add to reach_list[$i] and reach_list[$i+1] 20081029 22:02:39 then at the end, you merge all of the reach lists togather 20081029 22:02:49 * zookeeper scratches head 20081029 22:02:57 yeah, it's a bit complex 20081029 22:03:08 I'll code something up but it could take me a while 20081029 22:03:19 i'm not sure i understand what this reach_list would contain exactly 20081029 22:03:42 reach_list[1] contains all the hexes that can be reached with 1 mp 20081029 22:03:59 ah, right. 20081029 22:04:28 torangan * r30415 /trunk/po/ (6 files in 6 dirs): danish translation update 20081029 22:05:37 so, slight correction: your find_in= is reach_list[$i] and you add results to reach_list[$i+$mp_cost] 20081029 22:06:26 that is, assuming $i + $mp_cost is less than or equal to max_moves 20081029 22:06:28 i'd need to stare at my screen trying to visualize that for a while 20081029 22:07:40 so, slight correction: your find_in= is reach_list[$i].hexes and you add results to reach_list[$i+$mp_cost].hexes 20081029 22:09:38 reach_list[0].hexes contains just the starting position of the unit of course 20081029 22:10:24 ok, but how do i actually construct, say, reach_list[3].hexes? 20081029 22:10:39 or rather, let's start from reach_list[1] 20081029 22:11:02 i store 1mp locs around hte unit to reach_list[1], and 2mp locs around the unit to [2] 20081029 22:11:24 -!- grrr_ is now known as grrrX 20081029 22:11:49 then i...append all 1mp locs around [1] to [2] and store all 2mp locs around [1] to [3]?` 20081029 22:12:13 etc 20081029 22:12:36 you don't append anything 20081029 22:12:47 you merge it all at the end after all the loops finish 20081029 22:13:43 right. in that case i just have no idea how you're proposing i actually construct all those lists. 20081029 22:13:51 well, you do append sorry. let's put it this way: i starts at 0 20081029 22:14:00 which i are we talking about? 20081029 22:14:52 i have no idea ;) 20081029 22:15:00 you've lost me 20081029 22:15:18 during i=0 iteration, you'd append all 1mp terrains that are 1 radius from reach_list[0] to reach_list[1] 20081029 22:15:40 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 22:15:46 then you'd also append all 2mp terrains that are 1 radius from reach_list[0] to reach_list[2] 20081029 22:16:17 then that iteration is done 20081029 22:16:50 and all that in WML? sounds slowish 20081029 22:17:10 i mean, the lists grow fast 20081029 22:17:31 grrrX: it shouldn't be too slow, really 20081029 22:18:09 the [terrain] and label placing code will be far slower than the search loop 20081029 22:18:35 yeah and it'll all drown between the autosave times too, since it happens at turn start :P 20081029 22:19:20 zookeeper: got the idea now, or you still want me to show some code? 20081029 22:19:46 i might have. can't really say yet 20081029 22:19:54 ok, sure, give it a try 20081029 22:20:16 I'll be back in a few minutes 20081029 22:21:32 in a few minutes? :x i've already probably spent like six hours on my version today 20081029 22:21:43 and it's still not workibng 20081029 22:23:27 i think i'll first try getting my version to work somehow before starting over with an entirely different style 20081029 22:27:30 ah, look at the bright side... we can have a generic way of doing this finally and add it to usefulWMLfragments 20081029 22:27:39 * zookeeper grumbles 20081029 22:27:51 how about that visibility filtering to SLF instead? ^^ 20081029 22:28:27 lol... there was a reason why I didn't do that but I don't remember it at the moment 20081029 22:29:55 maybe 20081029 22:31:35 -!- boucman [n=rosen@50.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 22:32:39 anyways, did you see anything fundamentally wrong about my approach? 20081029 22:32:54 yes 20081029 22:34:27 it's very close but adding to a single road_spotting_range array won't work 20081029 22:34:47 why not? 20081029 22:35:01 you could use recursive functions if you wanted to add to a single array 20081029 22:35:08 but we don't have those 20081029 22:35:45 -!- EdB [n=EdB@20.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 22:38:56 what i try to do is to just stash the 2mp hexes away for one step of the loop, and add them to the road_spotting_range array in the next step 20081029 22:39:08 which should simulate the 2mp 20081029 22:40:20 * Sapient ponders this 20081029 22:41:03 so, on each step of the loop, we add each 1mp hex that is adjacent to road_spotting_range to it, and then store each 2mp hex to a temporary array, which will be added to road_spotting_range in the next step 20081029 22:41:51 ah, but you are adding it too late? 20081029 22:42:12 I suppose that could work as well 20081029 22:43:04 sounds like a clever workaround 20081029 22:43:17 yeah, i'd just need to iron out the glitches in it 20081029 22:43:17 I'll keep trying my way ;) 20081029 22:43:41 oh, i could PM you the whole scenario if you'd like 20081029 22:43:50 no thanks 20081029 22:44:07 all right 20081029 22:44:33 -!- me [n=me@athedsl-4502844.home.otenet.gr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 22:44:39 -!- me is now known as kalenz 20081029 22:49:32 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081029 22:49:58 -!- EdB [n=EdB@20.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20081029 22:50:33 well, i'll let you know if i ever figure it out completely. 20081029 22:50:37 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20081029 22:51:07 Sapient: I just posted a detailed analysis of our AI problems to the ML. It may hold enough clues for you to fix them. (I hope...) 20081029 22:51:18 I see 20081029 22:51:47 -!- kalenz [n=me@athedsl-4502844.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081029 22:54:40 ilor: Have you seen #12513: "Weird anomaly in "Son of the Black Eye" --Siege of Barag Gor"? I suspect this is a regression due to your location change. 20081029 22:55:08 wes... where's wesbot :/ 20081029 22:55:44 esr: I highly doubt it. I left the old location behaviour precisely because it broke things 20081029 22:56:19 -!- boucman [n=rosen@50.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20081029 22:57:03 ah nevermind need to look at this more closely 20081029 22:57:35 Well, would you put in some logging and see if you can figure out why it's double-counting villages? I'd do it, but I'm up to my ears in DM and all mt C++ bandwidth is going towards the AI problems. 20081029 22:58:26 Sirp_: Igf you're there, you probably want to look at my ML posting too. 20081029 22:59:40 esr: by all means focus on the AI, I'll have a go at this ;) 20081029 23:00:52 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081029 23:03:53 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-166-125.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081029 23:07:59 Form Delfador's Memoirs -- Ka finally encounters Delfador: 20081029 23:08:08 s/Ka/Kalenz/ 20081029 23:08:26 Delfador: Foul creatures, it is time for you to be sent to your final rest! 20081029 23:08:44 Chantal: That is Delfador. Do you see, now? 20081029 23:08:59 Kalenz: I do. He is a like a blazing fire to my inner eye. I think you have chosen well, granddaughter; he is indeed the one to whom the Book should pass. 20081029 23:09:16 Chantal: If I were human, I think I would be in love with him. 20081029 23:09:35 Kalenz: "If you were human, you would be quite right to be. Strange...they are such surly children in the main, short-lived and crude and quarrelsome. And yet, even our greatest mystics do not shine so brightly as this one. 20081029 23:09:55 Chantal: I hope the Book does not doom him. 20081029 23:10:20 Kalenz: You speak my thought, granddaughter. May it be so. 20081029 23:11:31 esr: looking.... 20081029 23:12:44 esr: do we have a set of saved games or something which will easily demonstrate the problem? 20081029 23:14:57 I don't. But I think santi does. That is, if you mean the teleporting-leader bug. I suspect, however, that you can use my Bay Of Pearls test -- when the pathfind code in 30299 stops breaking that senario ny guess is it will solve the releporting problem too. 20081029 23:15:37 aha, store_locations has no mode=append 20081029 23:15:38 well isn't the main problem that the AI isn't aggressive enough? 20081029 23:15:52 No, we fixed that one. 20081029 23:16:48 Soliton's 30299 seemed to fix the aggression level.. Something else, and rather worse, is going on now -- read my whole post. 20081029 23:18:31 okay.... 20081029 23:18:41 I think if we backed out the second band of 30299 and my 30309 the symptoms might go away. But the underlying problem would almost certainly bite us in the ass again. 20081029 23:26:43 -!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has quit [Client Quit] 20081029 23:28:43 esr: I'lll try to work out what's going on 20081029 23:30:29 Sirp_: The sort of good news is that I think suokko's changes were mostly OK -- if I'm right, they exposed a pre-existing flaw rather than creating a really new one. 20081029 23:35:32 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d856c67.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081029 23:40:01 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@217.10.38.214] has quit ["Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 20081029 23:47:03 -!- Rh0nda changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 50 bugs, 207 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://irclog.wesnoth.org and http://wesnoth.org/irclogs | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste, http://paste.debian.net, http://pastebin.ca 20081029 23:53:38 -!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has joined #wesnoth-dev --- Log closed Thu Oct 30 00:00:03 2008