--- Log opened Sat Nov 08 00:00:26 2008 20081108 00:02:07 -!- Patterner [n=Psyche@e177230131.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081108 00:05:52 -!- Rhonda_ [n=rhonda@xanadoo.deb.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 00:08:21 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d83ac32.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081108 00:12:36 -!- Mordocai [n=Mordocai@66.119.9.243] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 00:22:42 * Espreon wonders why lightning-bolt.png still exists. 20081108 00:36:46 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit ["Power failu"] 20081108 00:38:18 -!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-157-145.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081108 00:39:04 -!- ilor [n=a@77-253-64-197.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 00:48:54 -!- ilor_ [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081108 00:49:52 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@66-189-12-131.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 01:04:08 -!- Espreon [n=espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081108 01:06:04 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-12-131.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 20081108 01:06:13 -!- Shadow_Master [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 01:08:54 -!- Shadow_Master_ [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 01:09:24 -!- Shadow_Master is now known as ShikadiLord 20081108 01:10:01 -!- Shadow_Master_ is now known as Shadow_Master 20081108 01:16:44 -!- ShikadiLord [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has quit ["leaving"] 20081108 01:28:31 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 01:29:07 if anyone fixes the AI while I'm away, send me a forum PM with the good news ;) 20081108 01:32:27 -!- wildpenguin [n=chris@ppp121-45-55-177.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081108 01:35:06 -!- shikadib1t [n=shikadi@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/bot/shikadibot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 01:35:18 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081108 01:38:20 -!- shikadib1t [n=shikadi@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/bot/shikadibot] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081108 01:45:37 ilor: fixed,thanks a bunch <3 20081108 01:55:49 -!- VladimirSlavik [n=chatzill@136.219.broadband6.iol.cz] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081108 02:34:59 -!- _ping_ [n=ping_c@56343bbe.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 02:43:39 -!- _ping_ [n=ping_c@56343bbe.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081108 02:50:01 -!- Mordocai [n=Mordocai@66.119.9.243] has quit [No route to host] 20081108 02:50:09 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@66-189-12-131.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. If you see a quit message virus, don't replace your quit message with it!"] 20081108 03:19:43 -!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@76.229.220.201] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081108 03:36:54 I find this to be absurd: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=22824 20081108 03:37:02 esr: Here? 20081108 03:37:31 -!- garr [n=tommy@ip-118-90-75-5.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 03:40:24 -!- garr [n=tommy@ip-118-90-75-5.xdsl.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Client Quit] 20081108 03:45:19 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 04:05:37 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 04:20:09 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081108 04:20:43 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 04:52:36 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]"] 20081108 04:53:26 -!- Ivanovic_ [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db20905.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 04:56:56 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 05:09:52 -!- Ivanovic [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db217bf.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081108 05:11:24 -!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20081108 06:28:52 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081108 06:34:11 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081108 07:30:55 -!- chains [n=Rylar@adsl-75-31-248-85.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 07:44:15 -!- Sirp [n=user@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 07:44:16 hi 20081108 07:45:09 hello Sirp 20081108 07:45:44 hi Blueblaze 20081108 08:12:06 -!- maxy [n=maxy@80-219-1-12.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 08:27:16 -!- spookymagician [n=chatzill@74-138-203-29.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 08:27:56 -!- spookymagician [n=chatzill@74-138-203-29.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20081108 09:02:17 -!- EdB [n=EdB@8.153.82-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 09:49:52 moin 20081108 09:50:18 Ivanovic: to set up svn access I just need to register my public key, right? 20081108 09:51:17 jupp 20081108 09:51:42 okay 20081108 09:51:43 -!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 09:52:18 if you are lazy you can just copy over the private key from your mac 20081108 09:56:49 well that actually sounds like more work. :) 20081108 09:56:56 uhm, why? 20081108 09:57:23 scp -r nickname@macbook:.ssh/ ~/ 20081108 09:57:27 that's it 20081108 09:57:34 ;) 20081108 10:01:58 well I suppose. :) 20081108 10:02:06 I've already set up the key though, just waiting for it to take effect. 20081108 10:02:42 the thing which really needs time: enter the key at *all* places where you have access via ssh 20081108 10:03:21 ahh yeah that is true. :) 20081108 10:03:22 for me this means i have to up it at several places like my home server/laptop, several machines at university and the wesnoth server 20081108 10:03:25 maybe copying off macbook is faster. 20081108 10:03:44 in all of them i would have to add it to the authorized_keys 20081108 10:03:56 that is why copying over is a whole lot faster IMO 20081108 10:14:22 okay getting svn now. :) 20081108 10:18:55 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.247.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 10:18:57 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.247.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 10:26:03 -!- EdB [n=EdB@8.153.82-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20081108 10:26:21 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.247.220] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081108 10:26:50 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.247.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 10:33:23 -!- Sirp [n=user@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20081108 10:33:24 afk for some hours 20081108 10:36:53 -!- zookeeper [i=zookeepe@83-102-43-241.customers.ktab.fn.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 10:38:34 thanks esr 20081108 11:01:19 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.247.220] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081108 11:15:33 -!- zookeeper [i=zookeepe@83-102-43-241.customers.ktab.fn.fi] has quit [] 20081108 11:43:36 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d83a723.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 11:56:26 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [] 20081108 12:18:09 Ivanovic, Sirp: if it helps, I have a useful little Python script for remote-installing ssh keys. 20081108 12:19:19 You just say ssh-installkeys "hostname" and it does all the copying and fiddles all the permissions. 20081108 12:23:15 -!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-132-15.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 12:42:42 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-12-131.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 13:09:55 -!- EdB [n=EdB@170.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 13:47:10 -!- zookeeper [i=zookeepe@83-102-43-241.customers.ktab.fn.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 14:25:20 esr: wmllint's "directory spellings" comment doesn't work for me 20081108 14:25:39 I'll commit my attempt to the UMC repo so you can test it 20081108 14:26:01 I have upgraded pyenchant to 1.4.1, so that's not the issue 20081108 14:27:40 AI0867: I'll investigate. In what campaign were you doing this? 20081108 14:27:47 the dark hordes 20081108 14:27:56 committing now 20081108 14:28:01 r2460 20081108 14:34:26 OK, I'll take a look. 20081108 14:37:04 rebooting, back soon 20081108 14:37:19 -!- shikadibot [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 20081108 14:37:22 -!- AI0867 [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has quit ["leaving"] 20081108 14:39:51 -!- VladimirSlavik [n=chatzill@136.219.broadband6.iol.cz] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 14:40:12 -!- Shadow_Master [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081108 14:40:39 esr: there is ssh-copy-id which does exactly that. 20081108 14:43:29 Heh. So the OpenBSD folks actually reacted, did they? I submitted my script years ago, because there was no equivalent at the time; Theo de Raadt rejected it quite rudely. 20081108 14:48:58 -!- AI0867 [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 14:50:46 gah, my upgrade to 8.10 seems to have broken X =/ 20081108 14:53:41 looks like the dist-upgrade tool decided to overwrite my xorg.conf 20081108 15:04:49 dpkg asks when updating modified config files and saves the old one either way. 20081108 15:05:01 yes, I found that 20081108 15:05:18 have already 'fixed' X with dpkg-reconfigure 20081108 15:05:29 the problem now is that the entire screen is jumpy 20081108 15:05:38 every few seconds it shifts around =S 20081108 15:05:52 hold your monitor still. 20081108 15:08:47 the image on it... 20081108 15:08:55 ivanovic * r30647 /trunk/po/ (7 files in 7 dirs): updated German and Italian translation 20081108 15:09:48 ivanovic * r30648 /branches/1.4/ (7 files in 6 dirs): updated Italian translation 20081108 15:17:53 and the old xorg doesn't even work anymore =/ 20081108 15:20:52 -!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081108 15:34:20 HAL seems to be doing a poor job of autodetecting my monitor's modelines... 20081108 15:35:17 Isn't it X's job? 20081108 15:35:54 the 'new' Xorg.conf has absolutly 0 actual config, plus a comment saying "HAL manages this" 20081108 15:36:40 # commented out by update-manager, HAL is now used 20081108 15:37:39 and here's a nice one: X doesn't recognize the --configure option anymore 20081108 15:49:30 -!- Amu_ [n=smar@a88-112-77-26.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 15:54:56 -!- thespaceinvader [n=chatzill@91.108.179.67] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 15:56:44 -!- Smar [n=smar@a88-112-77-26.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081108 15:59:28 -!- Amu_ is now known as Smar 20081108 16:26:44 finally, a still image... 20081108 16:27:22 -!- EdB [n=EdB@170.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20081108 16:28:20 -!- Shadow_Master [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 16:28:23 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 16:36:18 using "new map" in the editor doesn't clear the starting locations 20081108 16:37:17 um... interesting, I recall that issue being fixed months ago 20081108 16:38:33 looks like they *are* cleared, but the text that indicates their locations isn't 20081108 16:38:38 clearing one got rid of them all 20081108 16:38:44 shadowmaster * r30649 /trunk/data/multiplayer/scenarios/4p_A_New_Land.cfg: 20081108 16:38:44 * Fix ANL AI sides' recruitment pattern to match the recruit list 20081108 16:38:44 (so the engine isn't guessing recruitment patterns correctly... dang) 20081108 16:43:37 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@66-189-12-131.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 16:53:11 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit ["Power failu"] 20081108 17:00:09 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-12-131.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081108 17:39:38 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-101-158.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 17:50:46 -!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-132-15.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081108 18:18:49 -!- McShark1 [n=Simon_So@drsd-4db3e5be.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 18:19:13 Hi @ all! 20081108 18:21:09 -!- Sirp [n=user@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 18:22:41 -!- McShark1 [n=Simon_So@drsd-4db3e5be.pool.einsundeins.de] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081108 18:23:37 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 18:25:46 hi Sirp and ilor 20081108 18:25:52 hi Ivanovic 20081108 18:25:58 ilor: what do you plan to work on in the near future? 20081108 18:26:07 that is: list it in the wiki: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth1.6Features 20081108 18:26:29 Sirp: the same for you 20081108 18:26:51 crimson_penguin: any success regarding the mac binary? 20081108 18:27:29 Ivanovic: I've a bunch of minor stuff to-do, but I've gotten a bit busy with my studies, so I haven't been very active lately 20081108 18:27:31 Ivanovic: I haven't started :-/ I lost motivation when someone else said they could try 20081108 18:27:34 But maybe they aren't 20081108 18:27:42 And really, I expect them to run into a lot of problems anyway... 20081108 18:28:20 crimson_penguin: i think you got a great chance to manage completing this task which is probably everything but not trival 20081108 18:28:54 Ok, I'll give it a go! 20081108 18:29:18 I'm gonna need some info, to start with, a list of dependencies 20081108 18:29:34 should be listed in INSTALL 20081108 18:29:39 ok 20081108 18:29:55 and if possible, use the latest version of everything sdl related 20081108 18:30:06 (will make it easier for us to post upstream bugs for sdl) 20081108 18:30:24 I believe I have the latest versions, but I'll check 20081108 18:31:16 thanks 20081108 18:31:16 Huh... I might already have good versions of just about all of these 20081108 18:31:34 crimson_penguin: How about pango stuff? 20081108 18:31:46 Ivanovic: at the moment I am fixing bugs; then I will work out what I will do next. :) 20081108 18:31:51 loonycyborg: yeah, pango was the notable exception... 20081108 18:33:33 crimson_penguin: anakayub published his Mac compile stuff on sf. It probably contains pre-compiled pango. 20081108 18:34:11 Couldn't I download pre-compiled pango from wherever pango is? 20081108 18:35:20 Uh... my browser just lost its address bar... 20081108 18:35:58 dave * r30650 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: fixed bug which caused AI leaders to sometimes disappear and then reappear 20081108 18:36:21 Ivanovic: do you know, regarding these AI teleporting bugs, did it actually teleport from one hex to another, or just "in place" (i.e. disappear from a hex and then re-appear in the same hex) 20081108 18:36:37 i don't know 20081108 18:37:19 okay 20081108 18:37:27 I could only reproduce the "in place" one and I fixed it, I think 20081108 18:37:30 people can now test. :) 20081108 18:38:24 Sirp: IIRC I've got both. 20081108 18:38:46 I remember a leader teleporting to other hex in LoW. 20081108 18:40:06 okay 20081108 18:40:37 * crimson_penguin fixed his browser, but has been sidetracked by neorice linking to the Crushmaster thread 20081108 18:41:07 crimson_penguin: yeah nice one that one, hmm? 20081108 18:41:19 Yeah, it's pretty great 20081108 18:45:13 Hah! It's got an ad for "meet military singles" now 20081108 18:47:46 but not gay ones? :) 20081108 18:48:57 well, the thread didn't go into homosexuality, did it? ;) 20081108 18:49:22 depends which thread you mean. :) 20081108 18:51:33 Even Jesus himself got offended by Crushmaster's arrogance and posted in it :) 20081108 18:52:12 okay this move_leader_to_keep() function looks seriously messed up 20081108 18:57:14 -!- Dragonking [n=dk@dedikerad/dragonking] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081108 19:03:27 Sirp: The one where he said it's inappropriate for girls to play Wesnoth 20081108 19:03:46 ahhh 20081108 19:04:05 crimson_penguin: There's another one titled "A Speech" 20081108 19:04:45 I think I better stop reading for now ;) 20081108 19:05:08 crimson_penguin: yeah it's kind of hard to read what he writes without having some kind of reaction. 20081108 19:05:52 My first reaction is hilarity, but really it is very sad... 20081108 19:06:41 I think hilarity is the only reaction that allows one to handle people having viewpoints like that. 20081108 19:12:14 * crimson_penguin is slowly downloading the current Mac binary, for reference... it's going really slow 20081108 19:12:50 But I do seem to have pango source already; 1.21.3 20081108 19:13:51 crimson_penguin: That explains how did you manage to compile silvertree :) 20081108 19:14:09 Note that for wesnoth you'll need pango with cairo backend. 20081108 19:14:29 Yeah, I didn't get SilverTree compiled nicely though 20081108 19:14:38 As in, working UB and on 10.4 20081108 19:15:01 loonycyborg: Is that in the same package, just compiled with different options or something? 20081108 19:15:59 Yes. With cairo backend pango will also depend on cairo. 20081108 19:16:22 Oh, and apparently I need a new Pango anyway 20081108 19:16:54 Pango has a lib for each backend: -lpangoft2 for freetype and -lpangocairo for cairo. 20081108 19:17:20 Do you mean it builds both automatically? 20081108 19:18:06 Pango's build system should build those libs if appropriate backend are enabled. 20081108 19:18:58 -!- shikadibot [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 19:21:22 dave * r30651 /trunk/src/ai_move.cpp: revert move_leader_to_keep() to old version which is actually readable and working 20081108 19:22:51 it'd be nice if people can try with the latest commit and see if there are any teleporting bugs left. 20081108 19:23:32 -!- VladimirSlavik [n=chatzill@136.219.broadband6.iol.cz] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081108 19:24:07 will do 20081108 19:29:26 wait a second, what happened to libintl? 20081108 19:30:23 Sirp: AI leaders no longer teleport in Scenario 1 of NR 20081108 19:30:42 stikonas: cool...you mean just since my change just now? 20081108 19:31:41 Sirp: I haven't checked before this commit, but I can check, wait a minute 20081108 19:34:21 that's the other one I'm sure to have problems with (more so with getting the translations to actually work than with linking intl) 20081108 19:35:54 wow, so Wesnoth requires pango >= 1.14.8, but it goes up to 1.9 - should I get 1.9? 20081108 19:37:12 * crimson_penguin downloads pango 1.9.1 20081108 19:37:40 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 19:38:03 crimson_penguin: it would probably be better if you used a different method for the binary distribution 20081108 19:38:09 currently it is an installer 20081108 19:38:21 I'm confused 20081108 19:38:24 the old way of just shipping an app is probably better for mac users 20081108 19:38:37 oh, I agree completely 20081108 19:38:39 [19:12:14] * crimson_penguin is slowly downloading the current Mac binary, for reference... it's going really slow 20081108 19:38:53 i just mean that you should not use it too much as reference 20081108 19:38:54 ;) 20081108 19:38:55 crimson_penguin: There's definitely pango-1.22.2 20081108 19:38:57 I know, I just meant for general reference - I'm not planning on copying it 20081108 19:39:14 loonycyborg: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/pango/1.9/ 20081108 19:39:14 So 1.9.1 is not latest version. 20081108 19:39:19 What is going on and whatnot? 20081108 19:39:39 soliton * r30652 /trunk/src/server/metrics.cpp: display the number of games not of game termination types 20081108 19:39:49 oh! 20081108 19:39:50 gah 20081108 19:39:58 stilly weird decimal system 20081108 19:40:08 crimson_penguin: and when you got a working binary, this report can be closed, too: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12567 20081108 19:42:23 :) 20081108 19:42:51 and i think i will write the 1.4.6 announcement tomorrow 20081108 19:43:08 oh, I guess I didn't need a new pango... oh well, may as well 20081108 19:43:31 Ivanovic: how come gettext isn't listed in the deps in INSTALL? 20081108 19:43:42 crimson_penguin: no idea 20081108 19:43:54 maybe because it can be deactivated via --disable-nls ? 20081108 19:44:07 * crimson_penguin has a bad feeling about this 20081108 19:44:16 and then there's python too, isn't there... 20081108 19:44:26 rather optional, too 20081108 19:44:27 ;) 20081108 19:44:49 http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/CompilingWesnoth 20081108 19:44:54 here are some other packages listed 20081108 19:45:02 that is: the pango part is missing there 20081108 19:45:37 Sirp: r30650 fixed teleporting bug. It was present in r30649. 20081108 19:46:14 great. playing bob's into the underworld, and haven't even got to the underground part and there's already 2 completely obvious and really annoying bugs. 20081108 19:47:08 (newer than Wesnoth 1.3.12) libboost ( currently only libboost-iostreams ) - this should list regex as well 20081108 19:47:43 stikonas: okay, cool. 20081108 19:47:52 zookeeper: engine bugs? 20081108 19:48:26 Sirp, no, just the typical annoying lazy scenario coding bugs :/ 20081108 19:48:49 crimson_penguin: yes, you have to merge the "required" stuff from both and are fine 20081108 19:48:50 ;) 20081108 19:49:02 what really amazes me is that a heckload of people play all these RPG scenarios and whatnot but i always stumble across a dozen bugs when i play them. do all the other people just not care or something? 20081108 19:49:58 zookeeper: yes, this is interesting 20081108 19:50:33 and not just some little mistakes, but almost game-breaking ones. meh. afk. 20081108 19:50:34 but i think it is the same category as "hey, everyone noticed this bug"-posts in the forum without a single "real" report about it 20081108 19:52:04 going for a while...be back later. 20081108 19:56:41 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 20:18:13 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-101-158.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081108 20:18:26 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-101-158.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 20:26:36 -!- rski [n=ruskie@c83-250-195-195.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 20:35:47 * crimson_penguin wonders how many errors he can make 20081108 20:35:52 I predict at least 100k 20081108 20:36:53 aw, looks like it might only be 20k 20081108 20:37:20 -!- maxy [n=maxy@80-219-1-12.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 20081108 20:59:50 my goodness, 42 source files compiled with no errors! 20081108 21:00:08 oh, spoke too soon :) 46 errors now 20081108 21:00:15 -!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-35-203.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 21:02:12 Sapient: Are .dev and .dsp files in SVN root obsolete and useless? 20081108 21:02:24 hmm? let me check 20081108 21:03:40 the dev files are in use 20081108 21:03:52 those are Dev-CPP project files 20081108 21:04:08 the DSP files are rarely used and a bit out of date 20081108 21:04:23 but I think they are occaisionally updated 20081108 21:04:43 wesnoth.dev was last updated in Jan 8 2008 20081108 21:05:50 use wesnoth_gcc4.dev 20081108 21:06:25 I don't know why there are muliple ones 20081108 21:06:32 There are project files both in SVN root and packaging/windows 20081108 21:07:18 the windows packager can maintain those 20081108 21:07:26 I don't use them 20081108 21:07:38 * loonycyborg is windows packager :) 20081108 21:07:56 if you are the windows packager and you don't think they are useful, then get rid of them 20081108 21:08:04 and put in your packaging files 20081108 21:08:46 It would be nice to make projectfiles dir and put all project files there. 20081108 21:09:23 would it? I don't like files moving around 20081108 21:09:58 it messes up all my relative paths 20081108 21:10:41 ai0867 * r30653 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/07_Elves_last_stand.cfg: * Fix a wml typo. 20081108 21:10:56 McShark wants to maintain project files and proposed to create a dedicated dir for them. 20081108 21:12:44 Though if you still need projects in SVN root I'll leave them alone. 20081108 21:12:53 go ahead and move it 20081108 21:13:06 I think mine are seperate anyways 20081108 21:13:34 I prefer to maintain my own 20081108 21:14:39 I am using .cpb and .workspace files locally 20081108 21:22:43 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit ["GO, GET TO THE CHOPPAH!!!"] 20081108 21:31:08 hi 20081108 21:32:00 hi Shadow_Master 20081108 21:32:24 Ivanovic: pling 20081108 21:32:48 Shadow_Master: pong 20081108 21:32:57 Ivanovic: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=301687#p301687 20081108 21:33:06 this hasn't been fixed for *months 20081108 21:34:34 which part of it? 20081108 21:34:54 the only part of that particular post: "fmunoz [sic]: is "Developer", but he had a custom title, "Lord of Arts"" 20081108 21:35:00 you mean giving fmunoz the title "lord of arts" back? 20081108 21:35:14 since fmunoz is basically inactive now: why? 20081108 21:35:35 no idea ;) you tell me, I just gathered a quick list of people who lost their titles after the crash 20081108 21:36:06 in the turn of the last year he had 3 posts 20081108 21:36:14 -!- Smar [n=smar@a88-112-77-26.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Sayonara~ 22:35:55 up 241 days, 9:31, 5 users, load average: 0.14, 0.48, 0.86"] 20081108 21:36:15 so, uhm, really not needed to give him his title back 20081108 21:36:17 ;) 20081108 21:36:23 okay ;) 20081108 21:38:57 Soliton: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=319563#p319563 20081108 21:39:02 Soliton: has the addon server crashed again? 20081108 21:39:19 was there not some script active to have it recover from crashes, just like wesnothd? 20081108 21:41:02 what are the major pitfalls of campaignd atm? 20081108 21:41:18 that's more like it, only ~100 errors from text.hpp (down from 1000) 20081108 21:41:24 :) 20081108 21:41:29 Shadow_Master: no idea 20081108 21:51:14 Sirp: did you reproduce the Bay of Pearls bug with AI yet? 20081108 21:51:41 loonycyborg * r30654 / (36 files in 7 dirs): 20081108 21:51:41 - Committed McShark's updated CodeBlocks and dev-cpp project files. 20081108 21:51:41 - Removed project files from packaging/windows. Only kept packaging, not 20081108 21:51:41 compiling stuff there. 20081108 21:52:07 Sirp: I admire your courage... ;) 20081108 21:52:51 yeah, I got a little bit of coding time today. Haven't decided what I'm going to work on yet 20081108 22:05:41 Dan'Tonk is the largest city in Wesnoth?... weird name 20081108 22:05:55 Sapient: Is it a good idea to delete .dev and .cbp files from svn root since they weren't updated lately and there are new project files from McShark? 20081108 22:07:53 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-12-131.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 22:08:11 Ivanovic: yes, already restarted. 20081108 22:08:47 Soliton: okay, great 20081108 22:08:48 thanks 20081108 22:09:30 loonycyborg: I guess 20081108 22:09:51 personally, I'm not using them as I have my own 20081108 22:09:59 Ivanovic: the issue is that i guarded against "can not bind to port" errors which make the script freak out if you accidently start a server that is already running. unfortunately it has the same exit code as some other fatal network error (that probably doesn't need to be fatal..). 20081108 22:10:20 i guess i will have to revert that part. 20081108 22:11:20 Dan'Tonk is Knot'Nad spelled backwards 20081108 22:11:27 it errored again on: "Aborted with network error: Could not add socket to socket set" which i guess means too many connections (including possibly eternal ghosts). 20081108 22:19:11 loonycyborg * r30655 /trunk/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Removed unmaintained project files from svn root. 20081108 22:24:23 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@66-189-12-131.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081108 22:58:09 Sapient: One of my minor to-dos is chanfging and abolishing the name "Dan'Tonk". It does not fit the Welsh-like phonotactics that Wesnothian place names later developed. 20081108 22:58:52 So, yes, you're right, it's weird. I'll fix it. 20081108 22:58:56 esr: how far are the campaign strings? 20081108 22:59:05 how do you feel about "honkatonk"? :P 20081108 22:59:12 are they in general ready to be "done for translations, now only spelling and grammar fixes"? 20081108 22:59:14 Ivanovic: How do you mean? 20081108 22:59:19 Oh. 20081108 22:59:42 Yes, I'd say so. I'm through with storyline fixes. 20081108 22:59:44 that is: i would be willing to give you, hmm, 24h more 20081108 23:00:04 please get any changes requiring changes like names and such done in this time 20081108 23:00:05 OK, I should do the Dan'Tonk change now, then. 20081108 23:00:09 jupp 20081108 23:00:23 24 hours should be fine. 20081108 23:00:35 afterwards i really would prefer to *only* see changes that translators can completely ignoe 20081108 23:00:40 s/ignoe/ignore 20081108 23:00:49 Understood. 20081108 23:01:56 and if anything is needed (eg switching east/west or something like this because of a bug somewhere in a description in a campaign ("kill the western leader" when the eastern is ment)), it would be great to list it somewhere 20081108 23:02:46 esr: just for the record, I'm not suggesting to change it. I agree that it is weird, though 20081108 23:03:11 so if any translators complain, do not blame me :P 20081108 23:03:26 Ivanovic: I think I fixed all that stuff when I was doing my geographical continuity check. At least, I don't know of any remaining ones. 20081108 23:03:41 Sapient: You won't mind if I do, though? 20081108 23:06:06 well, if you come up with something better I don't mind 20081108 23:06:42 -!- PK8 [n=pk@r74-192-44-206.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 23:08:57 loonycyborg * r30656 /trunk/projectfiles/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Committed project files update by McShark. 20081108 23:09:14 Ivanovic, huh, what was that about 24 hours? you mean some kind of a light string freeze? 20081108 23:09:52 I'd like to see it with Welsh-like phonetics while still somewhat exotic and if possible resembling the original name 20081108 23:10:14 failing that, I'd rather not see it changed 20081108 23:10:48 Sapient: You have stated my criteria exactly. 20081108 23:13:16 I'm trying to develop alternatives that keep the first syllable, since that's plausible both in Welsh and English. 20081108 23:14:22 My first though was "Dannyn", because we aready know that fimnal "yn" is a common element in Wesothian toponyms, 20081108 23:14:59 -!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has quit [":wq"] 20081108 23:15:09 "dannyn" sounds like some kind of a dessert 20081108 23:15:15 mmm.. yoghurt 20081108 23:15:31 sorry, zooks started it 20081108 23:15:57 * Sapient puts on his most serious face possible ^_^ 20081108 23:16:35 zookeeper: yes, this is what i mean 20081108 23:16:41 at the moment just for campaigns 20081108 23:16:41 -!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081108 23:16:54 Ivanovic, right 20081108 23:17:06 "Dannath" or "Danaeth" is also plausible; "ath" or "eth" shows up in other names and, as I've previously noted, probably derives from an Elvish word meaning "fortified place", like Engish and German "-burg" from Celtic "burh". 20081108 23:17:09 fine with you, or are the bigger open changes? 20081108 23:17:45 err, not huge changes. i might want to somewhat rewrite a scenario or two, but _if_ i actually manage to do that, i can try to keep the string changes as low as possible 20081108 23:17:53 I'm leaning towards "Dannath". 20081108 23:18:08 it sounds wimpy 20081108 23:18:17 maybe you could keep the 'o' like "Danonth" 20081108 23:18:22 if that characterization is helpful :p 20081108 23:18:27 danonenoth 20081108 23:18:32 mmm...yoghurt. 20081108 23:18:54 * esr thinks zookeeper is poking fun. 20081108 23:19:23 * esr waves a fish in threateningly zookeeper's direction. 20081108 23:19:26 yes, coming up with plausible + exotic + similar to Dan'Tonk is hard so please don't poke fun :P 20081108 23:19:38 * esr still can't type, alas. 20081108 23:20:09 or Dantooine lol 20081108 23:20:13 haha 20081108 23:20:28 dantoonkine 20081108 23:20:35 lol 20081108 23:21:08 * esr thinks that with this kind if help he'll just have to invebt something himself and the rest of you can lump it. 20081108 23:21:23 but Dan'Tonk is peacful! -- you have another target? a military target? 20081108 23:21:30 ah well, go ahead, i'll be heading to bed :P 20081108 23:21:34 -!- zookeeper [i=zookeepe@83-102-43-241.customers.ktab.fn.fi] has quit [] 20081108 23:24:06 currently I've got Danotyn, but something still bugs me about the "no" part 20081108 23:24:45 well, I've compiled all the source files with error, but now comes the linking ;) 20081108 23:25:25 Sapient: I think I'll let my subconscxious chew on this one for a bit. 20081108 23:26:05 Danok 20081108 23:26:19 (actual place in Thailand apparently) 20081108 23:26:51 esr: will you fix remaining spelling mistakes from wesnoth.org/wiki/SpellingMistakes before 1.5.6? 20081108 23:27:10 -!- PK8 [n=pk@r74-192-44-206.vctrcmta01.vctatx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit ["Java user signed off"] 20081108 23:27:41 stikonas: Except for the .4 announcement, yes. I refuse to touch that for historical reasons. 20081108 23:27:50 s/.4/1.4/ 20081108 23:28:01 hmm.. yeah, I could live with "Danok"; it's really close to the original, plausible as a placename, and suitably exotic 20081108 23:28:38 esr: I've already removed 1.4 announcement from spelling mistakes wiki for the same reason 20081108 23:29:06 It has a proble, through -- in English orthography it's quite unclear whether the first vowel is short or long. I dislike itb slightly for that reason. 20081108 23:29:50 you could tell what part of the country from by how they pronounce it maybe? ;) 20081108 23:30:10 "Danok", I mean. That's why the double n is "Dannath" is functional; in English that always follows a short vowel. 20081108 23:31:14 In fact if at were spelled "Danath" you'd expeck the A to be long and you're probably be reight. 20081108 23:32:00 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.247.220] has quit ["Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 20081108 23:32:28 Also I'm having a bit of ttouble with the final k. That doesn't occur in Welshor other Celtic placenames; when the sound doesm, it's normally written "ch". 20081108 23:33:48 it's not very Welsh looking but that means it doesn't carry a lot of baggage for similar looking words 20081108 23:33:49 So to really Welshify it, you need to spell it "Dannoch". Though that sounds miore like Irish Gaelic, which is not quite the effect we're after here. 20081108 23:34:58 Dannoch is ok I guess 20081108 23:35:19 "Dannoch" is a Scot's Gaelic family name, as it turns out. 20081108 23:35:40 Sotrry about the stray apostrophe :-) 20081108 23:36:15 hmm... what does dennoch mean? 20081108 23:36:50 "yet" in German 20081108 23:37:20 Yes. 20081108 23:37:43 -!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has quit [Success] 20081108 23:37:47 Can't do that; too many Germans here. The city called "Whatever..." :-) 20081108 23:38:02 ?? 20081108 23:38:30 Shadow_Master: We're trying to rename "Dan'Tonk" 20081108 23:39:10 Vinlyn :) 20081108 23:39:36 lol, well I'm still liking "Danok" because it's an obvious improvement on the original; I agree it's not screaming Welshness but it's certainly an improvement 20081108 23:39:40 * Shadow_Master failes at name generation 20081108 23:39:46 *ed 20081108 23:40:16 are we going to rename Li'sar as well? (is all this because of the aposthrophe?) 20081108 23:40:31 no, that would be blasphemy :P 20081108 23:41:09 but you do raise a good point that there can be exceptions to the general trend 20081108 23:41:11 ah right... 20081108 23:41:41 so, according to crushie, I deserve the punishment of death ;) 20081108 23:43:10 oh, crushie you mean crushmaster right? 20081108 23:43:30 right ;) 20081108 23:43:38 I think even he doesn't understand what he thinks 20081108 23:44:27 he certainly keeps our off-topic forum busy and active 20081108 23:56:22 the "UNIT is getting leadership AMOUNT" message is getting directed to the wrong logstream 20081108 23:56:36 specifically, "error ai" 20081108 23:56:37 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-101-158.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081108 23:59:57 gahh, cairo is required for pango, but then cairo requires pixman (I think?), but pixman requires pango! --- Log closed Sun Nov 09 00:00:29 2008