--- Log opened Wed Nov 12 00:00:37 2008 20081112 00:01:11 jeez, Wesnoth takes a while to compile, even with a 2.4 Ghz Core2Duo with 4GB ram 20081112 00:01:36 the dual core is being negated by the dual architectures though 20081112 00:13:27 I'm getting this problem: 20081112 00:13:27 User message: Widget definition 'button' doesn't contain the definition for 'default'. 20081112 00:13:27 Dev message: Condition 'control_definition[definition_type].find("default") != control_definition[definition_type].end()' failed at /Users/ben/projects/wesnoth/MacOSX/../src/gui/widgets/settings.cpp:308 in function 'load_definitions'. 20081112 00:13:56 it sounds like it's not loading the widgets config file or something, but it should be in the right place, I think... 20081112 00:14:55 Try deleting data from that right place and placing it back there. 20081112 00:16:23 You mean, re-copying the data? 20081112 00:17:06 Yes. Perhaps some obsolete cfg is getting in the way. 20081112 00:17:11 Without any data there it instead says: 20081111 18:16:50 error config: Could not open file data/hardwired/fonts.cfg \n could not initialize fonts 20081112 00:18:47 I tried recopying - didn't help 20081112 00:18:57 But do you know what file it would be missing? 20081112 00:19:31 Better ask ilor or mordante about that.. 20081112 00:19:38 I didn't know exactly what data to put, I did: fonts, data, images, sounds, translations 20081112 00:20:15 It should be in data AFAIK. 20081112 00:20:24 mordante would be the person to ask. I might have had such an error but it was quite a while ago and I don't remember exactly 20081112 00:21:00 Yeah, it looks like it's in data 20081112 00:21:54 Do you have any UMC installed? 20081112 00:22:32 Theoretically not 20081112 00:25:13 loonycyborg: Here's the thing though, when I run the game giving it my svn checkout as its path, it runs, but it doesn't work with the directory with all those folders I just said copied into it, from the svn checkout dir 20081112 00:27:47 So "./wesnoth ." works but "./wesnoth /path/to/installdir" doesn't? 20081112 00:27:57 The opposite 20081112 00:28:10 heh, in setup.ii: AppVerName=Battle for Wesnoth 0.8.7 20081112 00:29:56 :) 20081112 00:35:41 * crimson_penguin copies the data with Finder instead of XCode 20081112 00:35:52 I know of one difference at least; XCode doesn't copy .svn folders 20081112 00:36:04 Which is handy, but many it does something else that breaks it 20081112 00:41:04 still doesn't work 20081112 00:41:50 * crimson_penguin better stop using power 20081112 00:42:24 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081112 00:49:54 -!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081112 01:02:18 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 01:04:46 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Connection timed out] 20081112 01:09:29 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@24-177-36-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. If you see a quit message virus, don't replace your quit message with it!"] 20081112 01:11:45 Sirp_: ping? 20081112 01:22:53 -!- VladimirSlavik [n=chatzill@136.219.broadband6.iol.cz] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081112 01:27:59 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.247.220] has quit ["Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 20081112 01:28:40 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.247.220] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081112 01:58:21 wesbot: seen Espreon 20081112 01:58:21 Shadow_Master: The person with the nick Espreon last spoke 1d 17h ago. 1d 14h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: "ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]" 20081112 02:18:35 -!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-35-203.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 02:21:55 yo Master Sapient 20081112 02:22:35 hi Shikadi 20081112 02:24:56 -!- rusty [n=rusty@150.101.102.135] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 02:25:02 hi rusty 20081112 02:25:04 yo rusty 20081112 02:25:23 you can thank Sirp for the upload log being enabled by default ;) 20081112 02:25:24 Sapient: so, I think we should probably revert attack_prediction and go back to the old "try it 10 times, what happens?" approach. 20081112 02:26:09 seriously? I wasn't going to suggest a reversion. Although the old method did work better for huge HP units and possible some of the custom abilities 20081112 02:26:56 have you seen this page before? http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/AbilitiesWML 20081112 02:27:42 I am not sure how many of those are actually handled by the attack predicion code... so I could be making false assumptions 20081112 02:28:03 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 02:29:04 however, there may be some extensions to AbilityWML in the future which allow in-line math to be performed 20081112 02:29:37 and I seriously doubt the attack prediction code would handle that correctly 20081112 02:31:09 rusty: this is my very quick summary of the in-line math proposal 20081112 02:31:11 http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=22687 20081112 02:32:08 so, if AbilityWML had access to that feature, your attack damage could be a function of your hitpoints and any other number of variables 20081112 02:32:23 Sapient: the problem with attack_prediction.cpp is that it has to keep in sync with all the other changes. A recipe for long-term maintenance disaster. And frankly, the AI doesn't really need high accuracy. 20081112 02:33:01 Sapient: exactly. We've always been able to screw the AI with stuff like teleporters etc, but it's only going to get worse. 20081112 02:33:54 well, there is a formula_ai system now which could potentially clue in the AI for some features, such as teleporters 20081112 02:34:24 but, in practice, not enough authors will understand it I'm afraid 20081112 02:34:33 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 02:35:48 anyways, thanks for your thoughts. I think there is no pressing need to revert attack_prediction... yet 20081112 02:36:14 maybe in six to nine months we'll be revisiting that idea 20081112 02:37:17 Sapient: yeah, it was a cute hack, but it's always made me a bit nervous. 20081112 02:37:59 Sapient: (simulation makes me nervous in a different way, since we need to make sure it leaves game state exactly as it was before sim) 20081112 02:38:55 good point... calls to the random number generator, for example, could be a gotcha 20081112 02:42:40 and all the more reason to disallow ActionWML in AbilitiesWML 20081112 02:42:53 Well... time to soft freeze UtBS' strings. 20081112 02:43:54 It's official. 20081112 02:45:00 cya later, have fun. 20081112 02:45:00 -!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-35-203.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081112 02:45:10 and what are you going to do? drop UtBS? 20081112 02:46:50 Shadow_Master: We can't do much in two weeks. 20081112 02:47:15 okay, are you going to drop it then? 20081112 02:47:23 Hell no. 20081112 02:47:26 or fix the remaining issues and let us still ship with a W.I.P. campaign? 20081112 02:47:35 Hmmmm... 20081112 02:48:49 Well... 20081112 02:49:12 Anyone here now know about the possible cause of this? User message: Widget definition 'button' doesn't contain the definition for 'default'. 20081112 02:49:12 Dev message: Condition 'control_definition[definition_type].find("default") != control_definition[definition_type].end()' failed at /Users/ben/projects/wesnoth/MacOSX/../src/gui/widgets/settings.cpp:308 in function 'load_definitions'. 20081112 02:50:16 Shadow_Master: I'll probably do that. BTW, is your Jigdo run almost complete? 20081112 02:52:47 -!- rusty [n=rusty@150.101.102.135] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081112 02:57:03 Meh... nah... let's wait 'til the freeze. 20081112 03:39:21 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081112 03:58:21 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 04:02:28 Blueblaze: Hello. 20081112 04:03:40 Espreon, hello 20081112 04:06:33 the readme in src/gui says not to use it, but if I remove it I get link errors because editor2 uses it 20081112 04:14:54 -!- Espreon_ [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 04:28:33 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081112 04:38:32 -!- Espreon_ is now known as Espreon 20081112 04:41:56 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081112 04:57:15 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 04:57:30 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20081112 04:57:35 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@22.houston-06rh15-16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 04:59:27 -!- Ivanovic_ [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db217ef.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 05:14:46 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@22.houston-06rh15-16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net] has quit [] 20081112 05:16:36 -!- Ivanovic [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db20565.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081112 05:17:25 -!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20081112 05:26:45 -!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@adsl-76-229-220-201.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081112 05:36:53 -!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has quit [Client Quit] 20081112 05:46:29 -!- ABCD [n=ABCD@wikipedia/ABCD] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 06:04:45 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]"] 20081112 06:11:42 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 06:38:30 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 06:40:09 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20081112 06:44:20 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081112 07:02:43 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 07:08:59 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]"] 20081112 07:18:28 -!- Sirp [n=user@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 07:18:48 hi 20081112 07:50:32 moin 20081112 08:11:46 -!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: soft stringfreeze for most campaigns: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/TextdomainStatus | List 1.6 features here: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth1.6Features | 54 bugs, 210 feature requests, 9 patches | logs: http://wesnoth.org/irclogs | Don't paste on IRC! 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Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com, or for images: http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add 20081112 14:51:42 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit [] 20081112 15:01:33 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-101-158.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 15:26:56 ai0867 * r30734 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/07b_Pebbles_In_The_Flood.cfg: * Fix bug introduced in r30712. 20081112 15:32:10 AI0867, oops, good catch 20081112 15:45:15 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 16:00:13 hi 20081112 16:00:20 hi people, hi Ivanovic 20081112 16:05:36 any ETA for the next dev. releaase that isn't equal to IIRWIIR ? 20081112 16:05:47 or a rough approximate... 20081112 16:07:16 I think there are still OOS / replay corruption issues 20081112 16:07:19 -!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has quit ["leaving"] 20081112 16:07:32 but nobody is working on it so no point delaying the release for that I guess 20081112 16:08:17 Yogi is very protective os OOS fixes :P 20081112 16:08:21 *of 20081112 16:09:35 Shadow_Master: as soon as i got some time 20081112 16:10:58 it'd be really nice to rewrite that areea in 1.7 20081112 16:11:56 what kind of a rewrite did you have in mind? 20081112 16:12:05 it has already been refactored once 20081112 16:12:46 although it certainly has some problems 20081112 16:12:59 something I could possibly fix myself :) 20081112 16:13:16 no, I'm not volunteering myself for that. It would be suicidal 20081112 16:15:16 I think the current model is salvageable; I wouldn't advise a total rewrite unless there is a lot to be gained from an alternative design 20081112 17:01:45 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 17:16:21 So, is pango/cairo currently only used for a few things (like the language dialog, and MP dialog) 20081112 17:16:51 yes. 20081112 17:17:27 ok, well now I'm sure that my pango is 100% not working! :D 20081112 17:17:34 I get only boxes 20081112 17:18:25 I got fontconfig to work though 20081112 17:19:22 Perhaps it just failed to find any font :) 20081112 17:19:45 It did, but I'm not sure how to tell it where to find the fonts - I told fontconfig, I think 20081112 17:19:55 /src/gui/README says "This is a testing branch to enhance the widgets a bit, don't use this yet since the API is not stable.", but if I remove gui/ from my build, it doesn't link 20081112 17:20:30 * crimson_penguin really needs a list of defines that affect building 20081112 17:20:40 I'm not even sure that fontconfig is actually used to find fonts. 20081112 17:21:02 well it thinks it is 20081112 17:21:32 cairo has it's own way of handling font stuff and there's a possibility that fontconfig isn't used. 20081112 17:21:46 crimson_penguin: what thinks it is? 20081112 17:21:57 I can't help but notice that my main problem right now is coming from a file in gui/; Dev message: Condition 'control_definition[definition_type].find("default") != control_definition[definition_type].end()' failed at /Users/ben/projects/wesnoth/MacOSX/../src/gui/widgets/settings.cpp:308 in function 'load_definitions'. 20081112 17:22:08 loonycyborg: fontconfig 20081112 17:22:45 Yes. fontconfig finds fonts but I'm not sure whether cairo uses it. 20081112 17:23:06 Well that's annoying - I think it'll be harder to get Cairo's font finding to work :P 20081112 17:24:07 Mordante got the trick of using fontconfig from silvertree which uses ft2 pango backend and definitely uses fontconfig. 20081112 17:24:39 I think pango/cairo were really NOT made for packaging with a program - they require data to run, but don't allow relative paths to find it 20081112 17:25:25 But this doesn't prevent me from providing pango dlls on windows. 20081112 17:26:15 Perhaps windows versions of them are patched.. 20081112 17:26:32 Well I got around it with fontconfig, which is the same story - I set an env variable at run time, which included the cwd 20081112 17:26:45 Well, where do you put their data? 20081112 17:27:09 Nowhere. They just seem to work. 20081112 17:27:09 I could even be wrong about them needing data to work, but it seems that way 20081112 17:27:14 Huh... 20081112 17:27:31 Well I get: (process:25865): Pango-WARNING **: couldn't load font "DejaVuSans.ttf,sazanami-gothic.ttf,wqy-zenhei-gb2312.ttf Bold Not-Rotated 18", falling back to "Sans Bold Not-Rotated 18", expect ugly output. 20081112 17:27:57 Though windows version of fontconfig creates directory named WINDOWSTEMPDIR_FONTCONFIG_CACHE 20081112 17:28:05 in cwd 20081112 17:29:00 ah 20081112 17:29:53 I got the fontconfig idea from: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=22821 20081112 17:34:31 * loonycyborg has no idea why he didn't get that fontconfig error 20081112 17:42:57 -!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 18:00:31 -!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has quit [Success] 20081112 18:03:42 loonycyborg: this is interesting indeed 20081112 18:04:05 loonycyborg: I just tried passing the path that it should be using by default to wesnoth on the commandline, and it worked 20081112 18:05:25 Ah! I know the problem 20081112 18:05:32 I put . and not ./ 20081112 18:07:57 That didn't fix it... So if I pass it ./ on the command line it works, if it has ./ built into it it doesn't 20081112 18:11:49 it looks like Wesnoth needs an absolute path to its data, but if it's built with "./" as its path, it doesn't resolve it 20081112 18:18:52 So you tried to set -DWESNOTH_PATH to a relative path? 20081112 18:21:15 Yeah 20081112 18:21:21 Well to just ./ 20081112 18:21:49 Because I've got Objective-C cd'ing to the correct directory before Wesnoth actually runs 20081112 18:21:55 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit ["On the road again"] 20081112 18:22:58 According to filesystem.cpp it opens files using relative paths if game_config::path is not set. 20081112 18:23:39 Perhaps not setting -DWESNOTH_PATH will be enough to achieve that.. 20081112 18:24:37 It definitely loads data from cwd on windows. 20081112 18:25:14 Ok 20081112 18:25:22 Not set, or set to ""? 20081112 18:25:50 Not set at all. 20081112 18:26:08 K 20081112 18:26:47 That almost worked 20081112 18:26:58 But then it went and tried to load from /data 20081112 18:27:03 20081112 12:26:24 error config: Could not open file /data 20081112 18:30:30 Perhaps it was referring to /data in userdata dir? 20081112 18:32:59 Or it wasn't enough to make game_config::path empty. 20081112 18:33:50 Well after that it said: 20081112 12:26:24 error config: No title image defined 20081112 18:35:08 loonycyborg: This could be fixed in game.cpp, by making the ./ resolving apply regardless of whether the path was overridden 20081112 18:35:13 * crimson_penguin doesn't see any downsides 20081112 18:40:01 I guess it would be harder though, because if it's more than just ./ you'd have to actually replace the . 20081112 18:41:38 crimson_penguin: You're referring to code at game.cpp:2139? 20081112 18:42:04 No, around :383 20081112 18:42:09 but I'll check out 2139 20081112 18:44:59 crimson_penguin: Is there /proc/self/exe on Mac? 20081112 18:45:08 loonycyborg: that doesn't work in my case, because the data is at exe_dir/../Resources/ 20081112 18:47:36 Ah. 20081112 18:48:36 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 18:48:56 -!- maxy [n=maxy@80-219-1-12.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 18:49:07 get_exe_dir() probably works though 20081112 18:49:22 But since you've already set cwd you'll only need to make get_exe_dir return cwd like it does on windows. 20081112 18:51:08 One thing I don't get is, it seems like that code you pointed to happens regardless of whether the path was already set? 20081112 18:52:20 It's executed before command line options are parsed. 20081112 18:52:48 So command-line override happens after the path was autodetected. 20081112 18:53:20 Oh, ok 20081112 18:54:14 Well it looks like get_exe_dir() should return get_cwd(), so I don't know why it doesn't work 20081112 18:54:46 -!- EdB [n=EdB@201.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 19:00:59 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081112 19:02:20 crimson_penguin: Does it print "Automatically found a possible data directory".. ? 20081112 19:03:23 Nope 20081112 19:15:59 -!- Sapient [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081112 19:29:00 Hello. 20081112 19:29:05 hi Sirp_ 20081112 19:30:32 -!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 19:31:39 hi grzywacz 20081112 19:31:47 hey Sirp_ 20081112 19:34:34 hi Sirp_ 20081112 19:34:45 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 19:35:00 everyone: please reply in the thread about removing utbs if you got an opinion about it 20081112 19:35:07 that is: also reply regarding ANL 20081112 19:35:51 since currently it is broken (actually already for a quite long time) and if it should be removed before 1.6 it should be done so *now* (just like with utbs) 20081112 19:36:34 can't it be marked as broken for a while and if no-one fixes it *poff* ? 20081112 19:36:57 rski: fixing this campaign means basically rewriting the underlying WML 20081112 19:37:05 and that takes a while to accomplish 20081112 19:37:16 sure, we can host it on the addon server once it is removed from mainline 20081112 19:37:42 still it is likely to be badly broken and i would like to have the next release basically "content complete" for 1.6 20081112 19:38:33 and with next release i mean: i would like to get it out on saturday (1.5.6 that is) 20081112 19:39:29 -!- EdB [n=EdB@201.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20081112 19:39:38 Why does the WML have to be re-written? I thought we had a policy of only making WML changes with a script to auto-update existing WML, no? 20081112 19:40:25 Sirp_, it doesn't have to do with WML engine changes 20081112 19:40:40 it's just that the campaing is broken the good old-fashioned way 20081112 19:41:23 (i don't think it all needs to be rewritten though...but a lot, probably) 20081112 19:42:12 -!- Sapient [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 19:43:19 hello sapient 20081112 19:43:27 yo zooks 20081112 19:43:32 what's up? 20081112 19:44:39 the thing i'd most like to have arithmetic in WML would be to get rid of the need to do that {VARIABLE temp $array.length}{VARIABLE_OP temp add -1} thing to figure out the index of the last element -.- it's annoying. 20081112 19:44:45 +for 20081112 19:45:30 you could just use mode=append right? 20081112 19:45:43 err...huh? how? 20081112 19:45:55 i want to access the last element 20081112 19:45:59 not append to the array 20081112 19:45:59 oh 20081112 19:46:17 in python you can do that with mylist[-1] 20081112 19:46:25 would that help? 20081112 19:46:47 umm...no, i don't think the ability to do something in python helps me :p 20081112 19:46:48 then -2 is the next to last element, and so on 20081112 19:46:57 i'm not writing python after all 20081112 19:47:08 ... I am proposing an extension to WML of course :P 20081112 19:47:11 ah! 20081112 19:47:19 sure, sounds ok :) 20081112 19:48:00 so, if i have an 2-length array, does array[-5] point to the first element ;)? 20081112 19:53:38 no 20081112 19:54:30 array[-5] would mean stick three new elements in front and then return the first one 20081112 19:54:59 ok 20081112 19:55:52 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-43-119.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081112 20:12:08 -!- wesbot [n=wesbot@86.59.118.153] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081112 20:15:29 -!- wesbot [n=wesbot@86.59.118.153] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 20:24:59 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit ["Power failu"] 20081112 20:29:36 Sirp_: rewritten as in "wml from 0.8x days is used which is really outdated and likely to break by now" 20081112 20:29:43 (and it does break in several places) 20081112 20:38:19 it really hasn't been updated since 0.8 at all? 20081112 20:43:39 it has but maintainers have changed too fast for anyone to get really far. 20081112 20:44:58 and it looks like we now got someone willing to do the cleanup 20081112 20:45:18 but he clearly states that it will take time and that he prefers to do so out of the main tree while work is in progress 20081112 20:54:37 in that case perhaps we should drop it then, though it will seem like a major regression I think. 20081112 20:54:54 I mean basically "1.6 has dropped one of the best campaigns that was available in 1.4" 20081112 20:56:15 Sirp_: which also lead to many reports about problems with the campaign 20081112 20:56:23 (yes, even in 1.4 it was buggy as hell) 20081112 21:01:43 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@24-177-36-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 21:02:55 well I suppose it can just be put on the add-on server. 20081112 21:03:06 and everyone who is a big fan of it can download it from there. 20081112 21:03:43 yeah 20081112 21:05:37 Sirp_: do you remember what version it was, where there was a Mac binary with only a tutorial? 20081112 21:05:45 that's when I first found Wesnoth :D 20081112 21:06:17 a Mac binary with only a tutorial? I don't remember that. 20081112 21:07:04 no? 20081112 21:08:33 I'm fairly certain there was one 20081112 21:08:48 I played it and I thought it was good, but couldn't play anymore because that's all there was 20081112 21:15:22 crimson_penguin: it wouldn't surprise me if there was one, but I don't remember it. :) 20081112 21:15:39 ok :) 20081112 21:16:02 the tutorial was added quite a while into development iirc, so having just a tutorial would be a little bizarre, but was probably a porting error. 20081112 21:19:34 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBF524.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 21:24:13 well I think there was real gameplay before and after, but maybe the campaigns were being overhauled at that point or something? 20081112 21:37:59 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 21:40:55 ilor: please add your current targets/projects/whatever is relevant for 1.6 here: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth1.6Features 20081112 21:47:40 zookeeper * r30735 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/03_Towards_Mountains_of_Haag.cfg: Removed Blemaker's canrecruit=yes, since it seems to make him behave in a silly manner. 20081112 21:49:35 note: i'm not sure if the problem i worked around with that commit is one of the AI bugs (my build is 2 days old too). basically blemaker just ran to my keep and stayed there the whole scenario. 20081112 21:49:43 (which i'm pretty sure he hasn't been doing before) 20081112 22:00:25 shadowmaster * r30736 /trunk/ (changelog src/terrain.cpp src/terrain.hpp): 20081112 22:00:25 * Fixed composed terrains not inheriting the base's submerge value when 20081112 22:00:25 the overlay doesn't impose one of its own. 20081112 22:00:32 Ivanovic: done 20081112 22:00:41 ilor: thanks 20081112 22:04:18 zookeeper: isn't that normal AI leader behavior? 20081112 22:04:24 specially since he lacks a recruit list 20081112 22:05:41 -!- Sapient [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081112 22:25:29 Shadow_Master, uh, i'm not sure. if he can't recruit, what's the point? 20081112 22:27:14 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: isaac, Ivanovic 20081112 22:32:25 -!- maxy [n=maxy@80-219-1-12.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [] 20081112 22:45:21 -!- esr [n=chatzill@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20081112 22:45:27 -!- Ivanovic_ [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db2baf3.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 22:46:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: isaac 20081112 22:46:21 -!- esr [n=chatzill@static-71-162-243-5.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 22:46:26 -!- Ivanovic_ [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db2baf3.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20081112 22:47:15 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Ivanovic 20081112 22:47:54 i am off to bed, n8 20081112 22:48:34 -!- espreon [n=espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 22:50:15 -!- boucman [n=rosen@109.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 22:52:44 -!- espreon is now known as Espreon 20081112 23:02:48 boucman, noticed the progressive parameters bug i assigned to you? 20081112 23:04:39 zookeeper: yes, but I had no time to look at it yet 20081112 23:06:29 ok 20081112 23:11:04 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20081112 23:23:06 -!- boucman [n=rosen@109.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081112 23:32:11 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 23:32:50 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d857dd1.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081112 23:35:18 anyone remember the actual backstory there was for TDH? In the 0.7 release there's a single sentence of the Ha'atel brothers "giving up their life for necromancy", but no more 20081112 23:35:54 there are also some old threads saying that "the story makes less sense now that certain things have been removed" 20081112 23:44:36 -!- rski [n=ruskie@c83-250-195-195.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081112 23:45:24 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d857dd1.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081112 23:51:29 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-101-158.vinita.lt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] --- Log closed Thu Nov 13 00:00:39 2008