--- Log opened Sat Nov 29 00:00:36 2008 20081129 00:07:59 -!- Shadow_Master [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 00:09:02 -!- Shadow_Master is now known as ShikadiLord 20081129 00:11:47 -!- cib0 [n=cib@p4FD0EA6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20081129 00:13:40 -!- ShikadiLord is now known as Shadow_Master 20081129 00:17:00 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@24-181-227-161.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 00:19:27 -!- happygrue [n=happygru@98.223.188.175] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 00:23:20 ai0867 * r31161 /trunk/src/ai_attack.cpp: Redirect some information from ERR_AI to LOG_AI. 20081129 00:27:14 utbs scenario 2 line 317: the MOBILIZE_SIDE macro. What is it for? Just removing the ai_special? Do we really need to create a new unit for that? 20081129 00:29:38 wesbot: seen Espreon 20081129 00:29:38 Shadow_Master: The person with the nick Espreon last spoke 3d 22h ago. 3d 22h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Remote closed the connection 20081129 00:32:02 fendrin: Rhuvaen considered it necessary at the time (1.3something) 20081129 00:32:43 I think it should just suffice with storing the unit, {CLEAR_VARIABLE the_unit_store.ai_special} and [unstoring] it again 20081129 00:33:04 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@24-181-227-161.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081129 00:33:28 Shadow_Master: Or do without the ai_special. 20081129 00:33:56 -!- happygrue [n=happygru@98.223.188.175] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081129 00:34:22 well, then how are you going to prevent those units from moving before it is adequate? 20081129 00:35:06 Shadow_Master: the scenario is under shroud. Just spawn them after their moving is adequate. Or do I miss something? 20081129 00:35:30 wesnoth: network_worker.cpp:543: void::check_socket_result(_TCPsocket*&, ::SOCKET_STATE&): Assertion `lock_it != sockets_locked[shard].end()' failed 20081129 00:35:40 (Wesnoth 1.4.6+svn @ r31048) 20081129 00:39:58 fendrin, ok, i'm almost done...i hope you don't mind testing it a bit then ;)? 20081129 00:40:24 zookeeper: I test it. Thank you :-) 20081129 00:40:42 great 20081129 00:41:19 i hope it'll end up being more easy to understand :P 20081129 00:41:54 *g* 20081129 00:43:12 hmm...did that original code work so that if you visited all the villages (before the undead), you'd be guaranteed to receive all the pool elves? 20081129 00:43:21 or whether it was still up to chance 20081129 00:43:43 no the code procuded a endless loop at the last village 20081129 00:44:39 since your chance of getting an elf is not 100 % you could end up finding no elf at all. 20081129 00:45:48 every attempt at connecting and using the MP server causes my WLAN conenction to close for 'too low signal' :( 20081129 00:50:33 zookeeper * r31162 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/01_The_Morning_After.cfg: Attempted to simplify the code handling finding random elves in the outer villages. 20081129 00:50:43 fendrin, shouldn't there be a bit more of those outer villages? i only count like 4 on the map 20081129 00:50:55 yet the elf pool is 8 20081129 00:51:24 there are more to the north 20081129 00:51:30 fendrin, btw, i'd be interested in hearing how clear and self-explanatory you find my code there, not only whether it works :) 20081129 00:51:37 the ones around the necro aren't included in it 20081129 00:51:44 zookeeper: okay, I will tell you 20081129 00:52:35 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@3.houston-02rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 00:52:45 -!- Blueblaze2 [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081129 01:04:34 fendrin * r31163 /trunk/data/core/about.cfg: splited the abouts for low in three entries. 20081129 01:05:37 shadowmaster * r31164 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/mp_method_selection.cfg: * s/Ok/OK/ 20081129 01:06:45 fendrin: notify santi just in case 20081129 01:07:13 Shadow_Master: in case of what? 20081129 01:07:17 * Shadow_Master installling gcc 4.3 20081129 01:07:28 fendrin: well, dunno. Just tell him. 20081129 01:07:39 zookeeper: maybe there had been more villages in the past? 20081129 01:08:08 fendrin, i don't remember really 20081129 01:09:40 zookeeper: what's up with the oasis variations? 20081129 01:10:01 i am off to bed, n8 20081129 01:10:18 Shadow_Master, eh, i'll commit the WML sometime soon i guess ;) 20081129 01:12:47 fendrin, so, what do you think? (btw, i tested it a bit myself and seems to be working ok...maybe there's some corner cases i'm not thinking of= 20081129 01:12:48 ) 20081129 01:14:51 -!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081129 01:20:21 ah well, i'll read from the logs tomorrow 20081129 01:20:23 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20081129 01:23:57 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.247.223] has quit ["Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 20081129 01:24:35 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.247.223] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081129 01:52:58 -!- Appleman1234 [n=Appleman@CPE-58-164-128-96.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 01:54:28 -!- fendrin_ [n=fabi@f051100171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 01:57:10 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 01:58:21 hi 20081129 02:08:56 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@24-181-227-161.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. If you see a quit message virus, don't replace your quit message with it!"] 20081129 02:10:38 -!- fendrin [n=fabi@f051099102.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081129 02:11:47 -!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: soft stringfreeze for most campaigns: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/TextdomainStatus | 1.6 release plan: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth1.6ReleasePlan | 55 bugs, 209 feature requests, 7 patches | logs: http://wesnoth.org/irclogs | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com, or for images: http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add 20081129 02:17:27 -!- governor [n=governor@74.12.189.30] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 02:22:22 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20081129 03:23:03 -!- DDR [n=chatzill@66.183.120.206] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 03:30:28 -!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@adsl-76-229-220-201.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 03:31:24 <[Relic]> Hello :) 20081129 03:38:41 Is it just me or are the image of a character and the health bar sometimes on different hexes? 20081129 03:43:20 wow, never saw that, trunk? 20081129 03:49:30 it happens after a [teleport] 20081129 03:49:48 the unit's circle and such move but the sprite hasn't, yet 20081129 03:50:01 adding [redraw][/redraw] doesn't fix it =/ 20081129 03:57:08 worse, I don't see why the code doesn't work =/ 20081129 04:24:16 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBBE50.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20081129 04:29:22 -!- Psyche^ [n=Psyche@e177232063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 04:33:24 -!- Psyche^ is now known as Pattenrer 20081129 04:38:09 -!- Pattenrer is now known as Patternerr 20081129 04:40:09 -!- Patterner [n=Psyche@e177226073.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081129 04:40:10 -!- Patternerr is now known as Patterner 20081129 05:36:03 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@3.houston-02rh15rt.tx.dial-access.att.net] has quit [] 20081129 05:59:10 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081129 05:59:45 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 06:34:23 AI0867: There's a recently-registered bug #12640 that may be related. 20081129 06:38:33 -!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@adsl-76-229-220-201.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081129 06:42:03 -!- Mica [n=Manic_Mi@d14-69-222-189.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 06:45:37 -!- governor [n=governor@74.12.189.30] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081129 07:09:20 fendrin_: around? :) 20081129 08:04:42 -!- Appleman1234 [n=Appleman@CPE-58-164-128-96.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081129 09:19:52 -!- mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 09:20:08 morning 20081129 09:26:33 fendrin_ yes svn adds the number to the bug report, but it doesn't generate an email 20081129 09:32:02 -!- IRSeekBot3 [n=IRSeekLo@ip-68-178-158-148.ip.secureserver.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 09:32:28 Sirp: hi sirp. 20081129 09:34:37 fendrin_: I've started working on this: http://www.wesnoth.org/cgi-bin/stats/stats.pl?campaign_id=CAMPAIGN_LOW 20081129 09:34:45 -!- Mica [n=Manic_Mi@d14-69-222-189.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit ["What did you say? I can't hear you, my connection's gone."] 20081129 09:47:58 Sirp: nice. There are more players that reached scenario7 than scenario6. How can this happen? 20081129 09:48:43 -!- DDR [n=chatzill@66.183.120.206] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081129 09:50:59 fendrin_: if they loaded a save that they had from before we started collecting stats. 20081129 09:51:29 fendrin_: of course this is just a start. I am intending to add many more features, stats, and analysis. 20081129 09:53:10 Sirp: It looks already promising. 20081129 09:53:11 -!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 09:53:21 thank you. :) 20081129 09:54:35 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d857661.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 09:58:54 indeed looks nice,what do you use for the calcuations? 20081129 09:59:03 calculations* 20081129 10:03:11 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 10:14:16 mordante: what do you mean? 20081129 10:15:01 at one point you thought about maybe using google docs for the calcuations 20081129 10:15:30 so I wondered whether you use google docs or did the calculations yourself in ruby (or what language you use_ 20081129 10:16:39 mordante: no no, I was thinking about what to use to show the charts. 20081129 10:16:48 mordante: and I use Google Chart Server to show the charts. 20081129 10:16:53 the calculations are all done using MySQL/Perl 20081129 10:17:23 mordante: but this is a starting version of the script. I am *hoping* that someone will decide it is useful enough to make a much better implementation. :) 20081129 10:17:36 :) 20081129 10:17:50 and there is quite a lot of information to be mined from the data we store, so there is a lot we could do. 20081129 10:18:00 but do you send all datapoints to the google chart server or do you filter them? 20081129 10:18:33 moin 20081129 10:18:42 hi Ivanovic 20081129 10:19:22 mordante: well there is some calculating/filtering. 20081129 10:20:00 mordante: I mean the logic is somewhat complicated. :) 20081129 10:20:13 and there are many possible charts we could display 20081129 10:26:08 -!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081129 10:27:42 Sirp: wow, this looks really promising 20081129 10:31:17 ah ok, it's not as straight forward as I hoped 20081129 10:32:02 but maybe we can try to recruit some people on the forum to improve it 20081129 10:32:25 I think there are some people who have experience with Perl/MySQL 20081129 10:33:30 mordante: yeah, and they can actually redo it using any technology we can put on the server. 20081129 10:33:43 I mean, Ruby, or Python, or whatever. 20081129 10:33:49 if someone wants to take ownership of it. 20081129 10:35:18 yes I think the language is not important, I think the latter is the most important 20081129 10:36:04 fendrin * r31165 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/14_Human_Alliance.cfg: LoW 14: removed a {CLEAR_VARIABLE i} which is already done by {NEXT i} 20081129 10:42:35 okay now I have added a pie chart which shows the platforms used. :) 20081129 10:42:45 so far it looks like Apple is dominating. 20081129 10:43:06 yes, surprisingly 20081129 10:43:19 and windows is really low 20081129 10:43:34 mordante: well remember we only started collecting stats with the latest devel version. 20081129 10:43:52 I know ;) 20081129 10:43:59 so it depends (1) when binaries were released for that devel version; (2) how many users from these platforms play the devel version. 20081129 10:44:11 maybe windows users do have a firewall that blocks the upload more often. 20081129 10:44:13 I'm not sure of these things. :) 20081129 10:44:22 maybe we should mail it to /., sure we get a story with this chart :P 20081129 10:44:26 fendrin_: it's just a http post request on port 80. 20081129 10:44:49 fendrin_: so it'd only be blocked if they have web browsing blocked. 20081129 10:45:14 IIRC most windows firewalls filter per application 20081129 10:45:21 Sirp: I am not sure here. Thought those modern personel firewalls would block on a applikation base. 20081129 10:46:24 I think if they filtered us so aggressively we'd get a lot more complaints about no connection to the add on server or mp server. 20081129 10:47:02 anyway I need to get to bed 20081129 10:47:03 goodnight all. 20081129 10:47:08 night Sirp 20081129 10:47:44 anyway i do believe that at the first start of the game we should have a popup asking "is it okay to send anonymised data of your games to our server for further improving balancing, the setting can be changed anytime later by clicking on the envelope in the buttom right corner of the main screen" 20081129 10:48:20 I agree with that, I do not like the automatic sending of the data 20081129 10:48:36 jupp 20081129 10:48:56 at least users tend to wonder why the game connects to the internet when just starting it 20081129 10:49:01 I chmoded the upload directory so even if it's allowed in the preferences, it will fail 20081129 10:49:07 and having this explaination there just makes it feel "cleaner" 20081129 10:49:38 mordante: dirty cheater you are! 20081129 10:49:39 ;) 20081129 10:50:06 hey I wipe my preferences quite often ;) 20081129 10:50:26 :) 20081129 10:50:32 mordante, Ivanovic: I made it so the first time you start it will display a tip of the day explaining the uploading of data. 20081129 10:50:43 Sirp: please not a tip of the day 20081129 10:50:46 and it will occasionally show this tip of the day thereafter. 20081129 10:50:48 this is too hidden IMO 20081129 10:50:50 Ivanovic: why not? 20081129 10:50:53 yes but I prefer to have at least a dialog 20081129 10:50:56 a pop up is too annoying. 20081129 10:51:05 make it a clear dialog which is only shown the first time 20081129 10:51:14 no, this is not too annoying if it is only shown once 20081129 10:51:29 I don't think that's a good user experience. Start the game and then get annoyed about some data sending you don't care about or understand. 20081129 10:51:42 and this feels more like an "asking for permission" instead of just doing it until you opout 20081129 10:52:07 I think that 99+% of people don't care, and the <1% of people who do will probably notice the tip of the day. 20081129 10:52:30 and yes, in general i am very much against places where my data is just used until i opt out since it is so easy to overlook the place where you have to click to optout 20081129 10:53:00 I also hate to opt out 20081129 10:53:30 just remember that whenever you come to our website a little piece of javascript sends data about your visit to Google and the only 'opting out' you can do is very technically difficult. ;) 20081129 10:53:35 anyhow, I'm going to bed. :) 20081129 10:53:37 goodnight. 20081129 10:53:38 -!- Sirp [n=user@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20081129 10:54:04 uhm, sirp does know that using adblock and tools like noscript is dead simple nowadays? 20081129 10:54:13 and that at least I do block google analytics 20081129 10:54:21 * mordante too 20081129 10:54:45 * Ivanovic is even using google preferences to be able to search anonymised 20081129 10:54:47 and my permanent whitelist is very short 20081129 10:55:04 uhm, "CustomizeGoogle" is the addons name... 20081129 10:56:49 in fact bugs.debian.org looks better with javascript disabled ;) 20081129 11:02:19 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 11:03:45 -!- cib0 [n=cib@p4FD0C312.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 11:05:25 Sirp_, i agree that it's annoying when you install a new game or whatever and it immediately throws obscure pop-ups to you on the first go. but couldn't the pop-up appear when the game is about to send data for the first time instead (i'm not sure when it does that exactly)? 20081129 11:05:42 i mean, at least that would be slightly less annoying than getting it when starting the game for the first time 20081129 11:07:00 mordante * r31166 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/canvas.hpp: 20081129 11:07:00 Setting a variable now also dirties a canvas. 20081129 11:07:00 When not the next drawing cycle might show the old canvas. This problem 20081129 11:07:00 is hidden by the fact that the current drawing routine always forces a 20081129 11:07:00 redraw. (The drawing routine is rewritten so this bug won't be fixed for 20081129 11:07:02 the old routine.) 20081129 11:08:02 ivanovic * r31167 /trunk/po/wesnoth-tutorial/de.po: updated German translation 20081129 11:18:52 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.247.223] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 11:19:16 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.247.223] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 11:30:02 -!- CIA-6 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 20081129 11:35:23 -!- CIA-8 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 11:40:41 -!- Noyga [n=lame-z@AVelizy-151-1-11-100.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 11:41:59 zookeeper should [message]id="Delfador" still work? The tutorial uses it and I can't find it on the wiki 20081129 11:42:44 or should it be converted to speaker? 20081129 11:45:29 mordante: message does use a normal unit_filter. Id is part of unit_filter, isn't it? 20081129 11:45:36 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 11:46:31 ah ok 20081129 11:46:53 mordante: I do believe the wiki is uptodate on this. 20081129 11:47:32 oh yes I see it now 20081129 11:47:44 the engine seems to handle it fine, but the translation extract tool only extracts speaker 20081129 11:49:27 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081129 11:50:15 mordante: I would let speaker only take those special arguments like unit scond_unit and narrator. It's bad that speaker and id take both id. 20081129 11:51:16 mordante, yes it works 20081129 11:51:28 * zookeeper is being redundant 20081129 11:51:30 Ivanovic can you test this patch with a pot-update http://paste.debian.net/22483 20081129 11:52:31 thanks for the info, guess I found a solution 20081129 11:53:00 maybe I should even remove description from that change 20081129 11:53:59 why? 20081129 11:54:04 is this one not allowed anymore? 20081129 11:54:19 description seems to be replaced with id 20081129 11:54:24 ah, okay 20081129 11:54:25 http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/StandardUnitFilter 20081129 12:01:32 what about removing the feature to take names from speaker? 20081129 12:02:40 this is not even specified in a clean way. What kind of names does speaker take? Id or name or translated name or whatever. 20081129 12:04:00 "speaker: an alternative to standard unit filter. You may specify as the value of the speaker attribute a unit description or any of the following special values" 20081129 12:04:17 I only think the description should be changed to id for trunk 20081129 12:06:41 sounds reasonable 20081129 12:06:52 just commit it and it will be in the next pot-update 20081129 12:08:40 what? 20081129 12:08:44 also remove the description? 20081129 12:09:10 zookeeper changes to the tool to extract info from the cfg files 20081129 12:09:15 is description= still allowed in "translatable string related blocks" or not= 20081129 12:09:21 if it is not, get rid of it 20081129 12:09:49 err. 20081129 12:09:54 i don't get what you're talking about. 20081129 12:10:08 why would wmlxgettext need to know anything about what the key is called? 20081129 12:10:16 shouldn't it just look for the underscores? 20081129 12:10:27 so the translator knows who speaks 20081129 12:10:39 ah ok 20081129 12:10:54 hmm 20081129 12:11:11 is that piece of code in your paste specific to [message]s? 20081129 12:11:35 or is that used regardless of where the string is 20081129 12:11:50 not entirely sure I just looked for speaker and added id ;) 20081129 12:12:54 grep reveals it's also used for [race] 20081129 12:13:33 mordante: Ivanovic: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=23114 20081129 12:15:10 I'm still happy with autotools, also not sure whether anybody wants to start to test all systems and evaluate them 20081129 12:16:58 probably not 20081129 12:22:38 Ivanovic I committed the patch 20081129 12:23:10 going to make me some food, bbl 20081129 12:23:44 running a pot-update to get the change in 20081129 12:27:00 -!- CIA-8 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 20081129 12:32:25 -!- CIA-6 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 12:57:25 -!- CIA-6 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 20081129 13:01:53 -!- CIA-8 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 13:02:44 -!- CIA-8 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081129 13:11:02 Ivanovic the po file looks better now :) 20081129 13:11:09 okay 20081129 13:15:40 -!- CIA-8 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 13:31:09 -!- Tigge_ [n=tigge@bacchus.olf.sgsnet.se] has quit [] 20081129 13:41:17 -!- Tigge [n=tigge@bacchus.olf.sgsnet.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 13:48:28 -!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 14:01:55 -!- fendrin_ [n=fabi@f051100171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20081129 14:08:22 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@24-181-227-161.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 14:11:47 -!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: soft stringfreeze for most campaigns: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/TextdomainStatus | 1.6 release plan: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth1.6ReleasePlan | 56 bugs, 209 feature requests, 7 patches | logs: http://wesnoth.org/irclogs | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com, or for images: http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add 20081129 14:55:44 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081129 15:24:06 -!- fendrin [n=fabi@f051100171.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 15:34:57 who is currently maintaining SoF? 20081129 15:35:01 is it you, zookeeper? 20081129 15:35:02 https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12655 20081129 15:37:35 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 15:38:37 yes 20081129 15:39:01 would be good if you could have a look at this 20081129 15:39:10 i will 20081129 15:39:27 chrber also reported that in the first mission it is too easy to defeat the leader on normal (and he is the bad guy over the following scenarios) 20081129 15:43:00 uhm, typo or intentional: in the 2nd scenario the elvish leader is named Glindur 20081129 15:43:07 in the first it is Glildur 20081129 15:43:15 -!- cib0 [n=cib@p4FD0C312.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081129 15:44:09 those names are, ugh, strangely similar, if they are different guys too similar for my taste 20081129 15:45:27 it was an intentional chance because someone complained that it was silly that the same guy was resurrected for another scenario. 20081129 15:45:54 but it should be a more different name IMO 20081129 15:46:01 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBC897.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 15:46:07 currently it looks really much like a typo 20081129 15:48:52 i guess 20081129 16:11:06 -!- Noyga [n=lame-z@AVelizy-151-1-11-100.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20081129 16:25:44 -!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 16:35:38 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBC897.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20081129 17:24:29 zookeeper: DM has a external_binary_data directory. esr told me it is depricated. Can you explain me how I should handle this? 20081129 17:27:38 esr * r31172 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/09_Fallen_Lich_Point.cfg: Fix a portrait link. 20081129 17:36:50 -!- Mica [n=Manic_Mi@d14-69-222-189.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 17:38:59 fendrin, yeah, let me see.. 20081129 17:39:08 zookeeper: one second 20081129 17:39:52 and yes, the whole external_binary_data convention was a silly idea from my part, since it's not really needed at all 20081129 17:40:09 zookeeper: I just commited a version of _main.cfg that looks like the one from httt but doesn't work 20081129 17:42:22 looking.. 20081129 17:43:56 add ../ to the image path and it seems to work 20081129 17:44:21 i don't know why or how the HttT paths work, looks like they shouldn't to me. 20081129 17:45:31 ../ ? 20081129 17:46:32 image="../data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/images/portraits/young_delfador.png" 20081129 17:46:51 zookeeper: this makes no sense to me 20081129 17:47:35 -!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 20081129 17:48:22 zookeeper: and it doesn't work for me 20081129 17:50:48 zookeeper: got it working. It's now image="portraits/young_delfador.png" 20081129 17:51:57 it probably only works on windows then or something. 20081129 17:52:39 -!- Sirp [n=user@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 17:52:49 zookeeper: I did commit the working solution and removed the external_binary_data directory. But it's tested only with linux. 20081129 17:53:02 Hello. 20081129 17:53:11 zookeeper: by the way. Your fix for utbs 1 seems to work well and is easy to read :-) 20081129 17:53:17 Sirp: hi sirp 20081129 17:54:13 -!- Mica [n=Manic_Mi@d14-69-222-189.try.wideopenwest.com] has quit ["What did you say? I can't hear you, my connection's gone."] 20081129 17:56:26 hi Sirp 20081129 17:58:19 hi fendrin 20081129 17:58:21 hi mordante 20081129 18:15:20 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-126-103.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 18:28:44 fendrin, ah, good 20081129 18:34:48 zookeeper: actually it didn't work very well 20081129 18:37:21 AI0867, what didn't? 20081129 18:40:07 fendrin's fix 20081129 18:40:22 it only worked for him because he was using a nonstandard install location 20081129 18:42:41 k 20081129 18:47:48 AI0867: zookeeper: not quite true. It worked for my because my working path was .wesnoth/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs 20081129 18:51:28 s/my/me 20081129 18:53:36 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@24-181-227-161.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 19:01:43 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 19:10:01 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@24-181-227-161.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081129 19:37:30 fendrin: mine is .wesnoth-trunk/data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs 20081129 19:38:25 ~/.wesnoth-trunk is compiled into my binaries as the userdata path 20081129 19:45:01 ivanovic * r31173 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/it.po wesnoth-utbs/it.po): updated Italian translation 20081129 20:00:06 ivanovic * r31174 /trunk/ (23 files in 22 dirs): updated Lithuanian translation 20081129 20:11:49 -!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: soft stringfreeze for most campaigns: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/TextdomainStatus | 1.6 release plan: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth1.6ReleasePlan | 57 bugs, 209 feature requests, 7 patches | logs: http://wesnoth.org/irclogs | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com, or for images: http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add 20081129 20:24:30 AI0867: yes, mine is wesnoth_trunk 20081129 20:29:38 -!- Noyga [n=lame-z@AVelizy-151-1-11-100.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 20:30:55 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-126-103.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081129 20:35:00 AI0867: it's not the path itself. I guess it worked because I did a cd to that path. It was my working directory. 20081129 20:36:48 if someone was to add support for properly referencing UMC images without binary_pathing, i'd suggest adding some kind of a modifier to the beginning of the path a bit like how ~ and @ work in includes. image=~campaigns/mycampaign/images/foo.png would just look in that (userdata) dir directly, instead of automatically adding the implicit images/ in the beginning 20081129 20:36:53 (afk ->) 20081129 20:43:51 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-126-103.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 20:49:39 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-126-103.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081129 21:01:14 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-126-103.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 21:01:53 -!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@adsl-76-229-220-201.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 21:02:51 <[Relic]> Hello :) 20081129 21:09:03 zookeeper: you are the maintainer of the core/macros ? 20081129 21:09:29 [Relic]: hi 20081129 21:10:16 I'm off bye 20081129 21:10:45 -!- mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]"] 20081129 21:11:19 -!- ^Noyga^ [n=lame-z@AVelizy-151-1-80-200.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 21:11:25 -!- Noyga [n=lame-z@AVelizy-151-1-11-100.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081129 21:15:13 <[Relic]> :) 20081129 21:39:45 problem: I want a side to recruit some lvl3 units. But it is spending nearly every piece of gold in lvl3 units. Is there a way to control that? 20081129 21:41:27 LIMIT_CONTEMPORANEOUS_RECRUITS SIDE TYPE LIMIT_NUMBER 20081129 21:42:01 Soliton: thanks 20081129 21:44:54 The macro seems to be very old. Does someone mind if i rewrite it? 20081129 22:18:45 fendrin * r31175 /trunk/data/core/macros/sidelimit-utils.cfg: modernized the LIMIT_CONTEMPORANEOUS_RECRUITS macro 20081129 22:21:07 fendrin * r31176 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/02_Hostile_mountains.cfg: limited the recruitment of Troll Warriors to 3 (including the leader) in LoW 2. 20081129 22:21:27 Installed G++ 4.3. I guess I'll have to recompile everything now :( 20081129 22:22:20 fendrin: hah, esr said it was deprecated in mainline. 20081129 22:22:43 of course you cannot do the trick that e.g. HttT does in mainline because UMC paths work differently 20081129 22:22:55 to access an image, it must have a binary_path in the manager. 20081129 22:23:10 Shadow_Master: what where why and who? 20081129 22:23:17 when Wesnoth starts, the whole core data dir is made an implicit binary_ath 20081129 22:23:43 fendrin: zookeeper: DM has a external_binary_data directory. esr told me it is depricated. Can you explain me how I should handle this? 20081129 22:24:37 there's an odd trick that is made possible in Windows since userdata is part of the implicit binary_path, more or less, since it is in the same directory that data/ is 20081129 22:25:03 Shadow_Master: I don't get that DM has a binary path. But it's not working. I just leave it broken and hope nobody cares about DM. *g* 20081129 22:25:17 s/that/that. 20081129 22:25:47 why did you ask the question in the first place then? 20081129 22:25:59 ... DM needs a external binary_path for the campaign menu entry 20081129 22:26:07 that is, since it uses its own graphics 20081129 22:26:32 so does most other add-ons, i.e. IftU 20081129 22:26:42 Shadow_Master: and that binary_path has to be outside the ifdef DELFADORS_MEMOIRS ? 20081129 22:26:57 yes. 20081129 22:27:25 but you know that it caused problems by overriding LoW's Kalenz portrait 20081129 22:27:43 yes, that's why I removed it. 20081129 22:27:47 this is why a dedicated external_binary dir or something is used, with hopefully unique filenames 20081129 22:28:10 The situation is not satisfying. 20081129 22:28:15 you can see in IftU external_data/images/iftu-*.png for the menu entry icons and the difficulty menu icons 20081129 22:29:41 Shadow_Master: Thank you. I will fix it with that information. 20081129 22:30:13 witht that fixed, I really look forward to seeing DM released in the addons server 20081129 22:30:38 Shadow_Master: How can I bring the deleted directory back? 20081129 22:45:50 -!- Mica [n=Manic_Mi@d14-69-222-189.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 22:45:51 zookeeper: you are the maintainer of the core/macros ? <--- yes, kinda 20081129 22:47:30 oh, yeah, and sorry bout that external_binary_path mess, apparently i was confusing getting rid of that convention in mainline with getting rid of it in UMC too 20081129 22:50:29 zookeeper: no problem 20081129 22:50:52 zookeeper: i have some food on the what ever it is caled. I will talk later. 20081129 22:52:04 * Soliton . o O (table?) 20081129 22:54:03 Soliton: herd 20081129 22:57:21 zookeeper: please review 31175 20081129 23:04:11 zookeeper: with r31119 i corrected a macro that should have been doing the right thing. That forces me to believe that something with music wml is broken. 20081129 23:20:55 -!- DDR_ [n=chatzill@66.183.120.206] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 23:26:33 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081129 23:28:56 -!- DDR_ is now known as DDR 20081129 23:28:56 -!- DDR [n=chatzill@66.183.120.206] has quit [Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision)] 20081129 23:29:29 -!- DDR [n=chatzill@66.183.120.206] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 23:32:51 -!- ivan_i [n=chatzill@ppp91-76-201-200.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 23:55:47 -!- espreon [n=espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081129 23:56:16 Hello people. 20081129 23:57:32 greetings. 20081129 23:57:42 It is good to be back. 20081129 23:57:57 -!- espreon is now known as Espreon --- Log closed Sun Nov 30 00:00:16 2008