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I'm a quit message virus vaccine. If you see a quit message virus, don't replace your quit message with it!"] 20081114 01:38:22 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@24-177-36-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 01:42:16 -!- InvalidCo [i=invalidc@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-bd1b9a0fa25e2212] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081114 01:46:03 -!- ebb [i=ebbeyes@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-c27a1a188990230a] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 01:46:43 -!- InvalidCo [n=invalidc@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-dbd4b8b310e1d7b5] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 01:48:59 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@24-177-36-147.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. If you see a quit message virus, don't replace your quit message with it!"] 20081114 01:49:26 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 01:53:32 -!- minding [n=minding@rftonline-212-37-168-44.ccgmbh.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 02:01:17 -!- vjoe [n=vjoe@hh088c.halls.manchester.ac.uk] has quit ["leaving"] 20081114 02:09:32 what would be a wesnothian way to kill some time if I'm bored and don't want to play Wesnoth? :) 20081114 02:22:26 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 03:03:38 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 03:16:13 -!- minding [n=minding@rftonline-212-37-168-44.ccgmbh.net] has quit ["left"] 20081114 03:23:18 -!- minding__ [n=minding@rftonline-212-37-168-44.ccgmbh.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 03:27:54 -!- minding__ [n=minding@rftonline-212-37-168-44.ccgmbh.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20081114 03:28:04 * jon316 slaps Shadow_Master around a bit with a large trout 20081114 03:28:11 read the manual >_> 20081114 03:33:41 -!- InvalidCo [n=invalidc@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-dbd4b8b310e1d7b5] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081114 03:33:44 -!- InvalidCo [i=invalidc@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-f3fb9eaca0f20ae7] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 03:52:29 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit ["Power failu"] 20081114 03:55:35 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081114 03:57:00 -!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@76.229.220.201] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 03:57:17 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 03:57:55 <[Relic]> Hello :) 20081114 03:57:55 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 03:58:18 [Relic], my love 20081114 03:58:46 <[Relic]> scary guy! 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If you ask here others might answer aswell. 20081114 10:58:47 just whoised many 20081114 10:58:52 So? 20081114 10:59:19 well , i just started to learn how to build your own wesnoth scenarios 20081114 10:59:41 If you have a question, just ask it. And you might find yourself answered by those who you consider idling. 20081114 11:00:09 Great - when can it be expected that you submit stuff? :D 20081114 11:00:52 it werent supposed to be an offense or an accusation with that idling :x 20081114 11:01:46 i just hoped to find somebody, who could help me to learn some basic things i still dont understand, maybe my english is to bad for the great explanation on wesnoth.org 20081114 11:02:07 Your english doesn't look bad in here. 20081114 11:02:27 But best chances for help is if you ask direct questions to what you have a problem with. 20081114 11:02:41 well , i made a map 20081114 11:03:03 and i started to write the cfg for a mp szenario 20081114 11:03:28 -!- Miccoh [i=Miccoh@cs181113020.pp.htv.fi] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 11:03:36 its far from finished, but i just wanted to test it, i tought i had at least all, to start a game, but it tells me, error, the game has no sides 20081114 11:04:12 the scenario is invalid, because it has no sides 20081114 11:05:08 and i just dont get why, i also looked at other cfg's from other mp scenarios 20081114 11:05:17 and still couldnt find what i did wrong 20081114 11:05:39 i m just trying it first time, so i m totally noob i think -_- 20081114 11:05:48 paste the map and the config at http://wesnoth.pastebin.com 20081114 11:06:05 maybe we can see something that is borked 20081114 11:06:19 (but do not run away directly after pasting and posting the links in here 20081114 11:06:39 it might take a while for someone with the knowledge needed to solve your prob to answer) 20081114 11:08:32 ok 20081114 11:09:01 http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m1f284a70 this is the .cfg i made 20081114 11:09:43 # 20081114 11:09:44 side=1 20081114 11:09:47 this does not work 20081114 11:10:07 why not? 20081114 11:10:25 it has to be in a [side] [/side] block 20081114 11:12:27 basically you put keys in random places where they don't belong. 20081114 11:12:31 here for you to have an example how an mp scenario has to look (2players in this case): http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/multiplayer/scenarios/2p_Hornshark_Island.cfg?rev=24171&view=markup 20081114 11:13:21 also "ur" is not a word. ;-) 20081114 11:13:26 in general have a look at the scenarios shipped with the game (that includes campaigns, too) to get an idea how to get the stuff done 20081114 11:14:21 ok, ye i took a look at Temples of Nagas, to got an idea how to create a survival ^^ 20081114 11:14:30 -a look 20081114 11:15:05 that should be a good example. 20081114 11:18:15 and second error i had, was with that direction cfg http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m7e2c84f8 20081114 11:20:48 there is nothing wrong with that. 20081114 11:22:28 -!- Azazelo [n=Dani@ks34038.kimsufi.com] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 11:22:45 http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorjs8.jpg 20081114 11:23:53 -!- Azazelo [n=Dani@ks34038.kimsufi.com] has quit [Client Quit] 20081114 11:24:06 -!- Azazelo [n=Dani@ks34038.kimsufi.com] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 11:24:39 that appears if i start wesnoth while reading cache and files 20081114 11:26:51 and that is a literal paste of the complete cfg above? 20081114 11:27:13 yes 20081114 11:29:12 well, i can't believe that. 20081114 11:29:48 maybe some unprintable characters got lost in copy&pasting. 20081114 11:30:05 but there is pretty surely some garbage in that file. 20081114 11:31:14 -!- minding [n=minding@212.37.179.175] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 11:32:17 http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cfgvq8.jpg 20081114 11:33:11 clearly showing me a picture of your favourite text editor is not going to help... :-P 20081114 11:33:11 i just dunno what :x 20081114 11:33:23 well i just showed u what i see 20081114 11:33:28 i have to get the actual files to say anything more. 20081114 11:33:35 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d83a54c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 11:34:17 can recommend me a better editor for that ? 20081114 11:34:19 preferably not pasted somewhere but uploaded in a zip or whatever. 20081114 11:34:42 i don't use windows but notepad++ or something is supposed to be nice, i think. 20081114 11:34:47 i could send u per dcc 20081114 11:34:51 -!- Lirion [n=cynric@wikimedia-commons/Lirion] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 11:34:54 you could do that. 20081114 11:34:57 the file 20081114 11:35:39 -!- Ken_Oh [n=Ken_Oh@c-69-138-211-71.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 11:36:41 are you behind a router? 20081114 11:36:52 yep 20081114 11:36:54 http://www.speedyshare.com/335195192.html 20081114 11:37:15 then you have to configure port forwarding to have dcc work. 20081114 11:38:32 "Little-endian UTF-16 Unicode character data" i guess wesnoth doesn't like that. 20081114 11:39:06 just utf-8 would be better. 20081114 11:39:57 i wonder why notepad would default to such a format. 20081114 11:40:04 ah ok, thank you, never read that 20081114 11:40:21 i guess default was ansi 20081114 11:40:38 plain ascii would work, too. 20081114 11:42:01 ascii was thec ode i read in wesnoth.org , but the editor i have doesnt have that type of code 20081114 11:42:20 what? 20081114 11:42:40 if the editor can do utf-16 it can also do ascii. 20081114 11:42:53 ascii is a small subset of it. 20081114 11:43:34 what?are you using vista? 20081114 11:43:37 there is ansii utf 8 unicode unicode big endian 20081114 11:43:44 no xp 20081114 11:44:02 weird never heard from such a problem before. 20081114 11:44:11 well, utf-8 is fine as well. 20081114 11:44:22 just utf-16 seems to be a problem. 20081114 11:45:29 (both of it is unicode but usually unicode probably means utf-8.) 20081114 11:46:06 unicode seems to be then utf 16 20081114 11:46:16 well i have now utf 8 and it works fine now 20081114 11:46:48 thx :) 20081114 11:47:30 cool. 20081114 11:47:40 still one question at the main cfg 20081114 11:48:22 -!- Lirion [n=cynric@wikimedia-commons/Lirion] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081114 11:49:24 the [side] [/side] part i have 20081114 11:49:44 maybe you can make a note about utf-16, unicode in notepad whereever you read something about encoding in the wiki. 20081114 11:49:47 right after a pre start event, does it matter which is first ? 20081114 11:49:58 no. 20081114 11:50:29 cause it still tells me, there is no side available 20081114 11:51:04 did you remove those side= keys from the prestart event? 20081114 11:51:34 well inside i have it still like 20081114 11:51:34 turns=-1 20081114 11:51:35 [event] 20081114 11:51:35 name=prestart 20081114 11:51:35 [objectives] 20081114 11:51:37 side=1 20081114 11:51:50 [objective] 20081114 11:51:50 description= _ "Survive the Waves and defeat Enemy Leaders" 20081114 11:51:51 condition=win 20081114 11:51:51 [/objective] 20081114 11:52:26 sure, i think that's fine. 20081114 11:52:38 ye thought so too 20081114 11:52:40 well, maybe put the [side] tags first. 20081114 11:53:05 it's more readable anyway but i wouldn't think order matters there. 20081114 11:53:40 and if that doesn't help post your current version again. 20081114 11:54:09 k 20081114 11:57:10 oh "UTF-16 and UTF-32 are incompatible with ASCII files." so ascii is only a subset of utf-8 not utf-16. 20081114 12:00:51 http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m1330f2dd 20081114 12:03:00 -!- Rrenys [n=rrenys@81-20-159-197.levira.ee] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 12:03:23 [ai] tags for human sides are pointless unless it help the ai when the side is switched to ai? 20081114 12:04:30 ye for testing it should be possible to set one side ai , but i think its not the point why there are no sides set ? 20081114 12:04:46 yeah, no it's not. 20081114 12:05:54 you does your map have start locations for all the sides? 20081114 12:06:00 s/you // 20081114 12:06:18 it has for side 2 and 3 20081114 12:06:23 side 1 also needed ? 20081114 12:06:33 not sure but maybe. 20081114 12:08:54 \o/ 20081114 12:08:56 it works 20081114 12:08:59 :D 20081114 12:09:19 :-) 20081114 12:09:36 i jus one at turn 1 20081114 12:09:36 lol 20081114 12:09:40 won* 20081114 12:11:38 you probably have to add victory_when_enemies_defeated=no or so. 20081114 12:11:50 thx alot Soliton for ur patience and help 20081114 12:11:52 ye i guess 20081114 12:11:59 i must name 3 teams 20081114 12:12:06 s/ur/your/ 20081114 12:12:18 Is the site down? 20081114 12:15:25 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ 20081114 12:21:22 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe11fa00-51.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 12:22:02 kewl 20081114 12:23:37 Except that it gives "Huh? doesn't look like a site on the interwho." 20081114 12:24:03 It seems to only accept .com domains 20081114 12:25:35 (^ incorrect actually) 20081114 12:25:46 www.wesnoth.org works fine. 20081114 12:26:21 Ah, right. i tried both wesnoth.org & http://www.wesnoth.org 20081114 12:26:34 (since with most sites, it seemed to work without the www) 20081114 12:27:25 Interesting that i cannot load wesnoth then 20081114 12:27:53 I wouldnt be banned or something? 20081114 12:29:18 i can't ping your from home or wesnoth.org but maybe you just block them. 20081114 12:30:27 traceroute stops at levira-gw.ipv4.ee 20081114 12:30:47 -!- Ken_Oh [n=Ken_Oh@c-69-138-211-71.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20081114 12:31:04 Weird, i seem to have no problems with any other site 20081114 12:32:45 huh...i can't connect to any subdomain (like addonlist.wesnoth.org, files.wesnoth.org or gettext.wesnoth.org) 20081114 12:33:01 but everything else works fine 20081114 12:45:05 Ok, works again 20081114 12:45:35 -!- Shadow_Master_ [i=929bd144@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dfebd36ba461775f] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 12:45:42 servers down? 20081114 12:45:50 no. 20081114 12:46:13 okay... I can't connect to www.wesnoth.org from here then 20081114 12:47:35 IE7 says something to the effect of "cannot connect to server" 20081114 12:48:01 I had the same problem some 5-30 minutes ago, not anymore. 20081114 12:48:22 I am still trying... DNS change perhaps ? 20081114 12:52:17 well, i can ping you fine from wesnoth.org. 20081114 12:53:03 is my IP 146.155.209.68? 20081114 12:54:19 it appears so. 20081114 12:54:36 okay, now it conncted 20081114 12:55:30 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d83a54c.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081114 12:58:00 -!- Shadow_Master_ [i=929bd144@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-dfebd36ba461775f] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 20081114 13:00:42 -!- Ken_Oh [n=Ken_Oh@c-69-138-211-71.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 13:03:52 -!- Ken_Oh [n=Ken_Oh@c-69-138-211-71.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20081114 13:09:40 -!- Ken_Oh [n=Ken_Oh@c-69-138-211-71.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 13:23:22 -!- Ken_Oh [n=Ken_Oh@c-69-138-211-71.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20081114 13:50:53 -!- threefour [n=x@static-68-161-245-57.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 14:03:41 -!- minding [n=minding@212.37.179.175] has quit ["left"] 20081114 14:14:23 -!- Shadow_Master [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 14:25:44 -!- Shadow_Master_ [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 14:25:53 -!- Shadow_Master [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has quit [Client Quit] 20081114 14:26:21 -!- Shadow_Master_ is now known as Shadow_Master 20081114 14:43:10 jon316: :( why should I re-read the manual? 20081114 14:43:35 " what would be a wesnothian way to kill some time if I'm bored and don't want to play Wesnoth? :) 20081114 14:43:47 notice the "don't want to" 20081114 14:49:55 Shadow_Master, go back home and plow the fields in da farm. Lest your lord finds out that there wouldn't be any barley this year because of you and off the the gallows you go. 20081114 15:42:34 -!- crimson_penguin [n=ben@64.201.60.220] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 15:48:35 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 15:49:04 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20081114 16:27:48 -!- Lirion [n=cynric@wikimedia-commons/Lirion] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 16:28:18 -!- Miccoh [i=Miccoh@cs181113020.pp.htv.fi] has quit [] 20081114 16:28:56 -!- lizard_r [n=MirandaM@Waa10.w.pppool.de] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 16:40:19 -!- Azazelo [n=Dani@ks34038.kimsufi.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081114 16:49:15 -!- harryBer [n=harryBer@ppp91-76-205-229.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 16:58:25 -!- AI0867 [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 17:14:50 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-122-89.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 17:17:02 -!- lizard_r [n=MirandaM@Waa10.w.pppool.de] has quit ["I'm gone, but the Saurians will last."] 20081114 17:20:01 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit ["Power failu"] 20081114 17:35:52 -!- lizard_r [n=MirandaM@Waa10.w.pppool.de] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 17:36:46 -!- lizard_r [n=MirandaM@Waa10.w.pppool.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20081114 17:49:50 -!- uzsolt [n=uzsolt@catv4E5C850E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 17:51:57 -!- Lirion [n=cynric@wikimedia-commons/Lirion] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081114 18:11:10 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 18:26:43 -!- harryBer [n=harryBer@ppp91-76-205-229.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20081114 18:27:00 -!- harryBer [n=harryBer@ppp91-76-205-88.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 18:36:53 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 18:50:21 -!- Lirion [n=cynric@91-66-107-67-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 19:02:30 -!- vjoe [n=vjoe@hh088c.halls.manchester.ac.uk] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 19:15:33 -!- Lirion [n=cynric@wikimedia-commons/Lirion] has quit [Success] 20081114 19:17:52 -!- Lirion [n=cynric@wikimedia-commons/Lirion] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 19:20:44 -!- SMP_ca [n=SMP_ca@wikipedia/SMP] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 19:29:25 -!- kane77 [n=kane@194.1.130.37] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 19:35:07 -!- kusut [n=tino@125.160.255.108] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 19:50:15 -!- r_rehashed [n=shreedha@59.184.53.198] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 19:52:07 which are good campaigns from the add-ons server? 20081114 19:53:50 what campaigns do you like and did you already try any? 20081114 19:55:09 i have finished most of the built-in campaigns 20081114 19:55:49 i liked all of them 20081114 19:56:09 but UtBS was nice. anything like it? 20081114 19:56:29 i have tried saving elensefar. it's good. 20081114 19:56:59 invasion from the unknown is a sequel to utbs. 20081114 19:57:12 ah really? :) 20081114 19:58:02 nothing else like saving elensefar so far though, i think. 20081114 19:58:34 The third part of Bad Moon Rising was a bit similar iirc, actually 20081114 19:58:54 But the third part was half-complete when i tried it, so dont take my word for it 20081114 19:59:01 IfTU has the same characters? 20081114 19:59:10 kaleh, nym? 20081114 19:59:58 what about defense of the goblin? 20081114 20:00:17 i would like to play orcs 20081114 20:00:48 as orcs. son of the black eye is real good 20081114 20:01:18 that's a mp scenario. 20081114 20:01:32 ok 20081114 20:01:40 not sure if there is another orc campaign. 20081114 20:02:49 the rpg-way of wesnoth has become so popular. but it feels like crazy bashing and level-ups imho. 20081114 20:03:28 campaigns for me, anytime with their stories. :) 20081114 20:05:18 how is flight to freedom? 20081114 20:06:34 never played drakes. this should be interesting... 20081114 20:09:13 it's an old campaign so should have some polish but it also underwent big changes.. haven't played it for a long time. 20081114 20:09:15 i have to just extract the tar file in .wesnoth/data/campaigns correct? 20081114 20:12:04 Invasion contains a spoilers file. =) i like that. i am tired of reading scenario configs 20081114 20:12:24 -!- lirion`reco [n=cynric@wikimedia-commons/Lirion] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 20:13:22 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081114 20:26:54 -!- Lirion [n=cynric@wikimedia-commons/Lirion] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081114 20:28:52 -!- r_rehashed [n=shreedha@59.184.53.198] has left #wesnoth [] 20081114 20:32:41 -!- uzsolt_ [n=uzsolt@catv4E5C850E.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 20:34:41 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBF73D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 20:38:46 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-122-89.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081114 20:44:15 -!- uzsolt [n=uzsolt@catv4E5C850E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081114 20:46:46 -!- minding [n=minding@rftonline-212-37-162-41.ccgmbh.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 20:51:13 -!- name [n=name@sburn/devel/name] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081114 21:01:14 -!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-153-203.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 21:16:33 -!- Rengaw01 [n=chatzill@65-78-64-27.c3-0.eas-ubr11.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 21:18:16 -!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has quit [":wq"] 20081114 21:28:18 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-122-89.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 21:33:08 -!- Rengaw01 [n=chatzill@65-78-64-27.c3-0.eas-ubr11.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081114 21:34:45 -!- threefour [n=x@static-68-161-245-57.ny325.east.verizon.net] has quit ["Bye now!"] 20081114 21:41:03 -!- minding [n=minding@rftonline-212-37-162-41.ccgmbh.net] has quit ["left"] 20081114 21:43:53 -!- lizard_r [n=MirandaM@Waa10.w.pppool.de] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 21:45:56 -!- eyerouge [n=eyerouge@2-1-7-33a.hud.sth.bostream.se] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 21:57:48 -!- norbert- [n=norbert@82-171-70-54.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 21:58:07 hi, I downloaded the 3 most used add-ons, but they aren't showing up as Campaigns 20081114 21:58:43 any ideas how I can make them show up? 20081114 21:58:56 Extended MP Era, The Era of Myths, Brotherhood Of Light, ... 20081114 21:59:32 THE single most often-asked question :) 20081114 22:02:26 but you can still smile about it, apparently... or it makes you so sad it start being funny? :) 20081114 22:02:32 +s 20081114 22:03:15 No seriously, i believe it might make up more than 50% of all wesnoth-related questions asked on this channel. 20081114 22:04:05 Anyways, most add-ons are not campaigns 20081114 22:04:17 try sorting by name 20081114 22:04:33 anything with "era" in its name is most likely a multiplayer era (= set of factions) 20081114 22:05:08 then use the best lexicographical sort algorithm your brain can come up with 20081114 22:05:20 and match that with the presented list 20081114 22:05:38 Rrenys: okay 20081114 22:06:24 seems like it wouldn't be that much work to indicate what's what and allow people to vote on campaigns, but that's just me talking as a user 20081114 22:06:45 it has been indicated, in 1.5 branch 20081114 22:07:02 oh you mean having the add-ons list show the contents of the *description* tag somewhere? genious! 20081114 22:07:03 but it will take a while before the 1.5 branch will become stable enough for general usage 20081114 22:08:00 Rrenys: ok 20081114 22:16:03 -!- simira [n=simira@vuizook.err.no] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 22:16:20 hi 20081114 22:16:48 is there any good way to see the difference between mp's and campaigns on the add-on download? 20081114 22:17:12 it's kind of irritating downloading a bunch of packages that I won't play 20081114 22:17:32 go to addons.wesnoth.org and read the descriptions there. 20081114 22:18:56 ah, thanks 20081114 22:19:11 should I have seenthe link of that somewhere? 20081114 22:20:42 not all description tells, either :-/ 20081114 22:20:46 it is burried somewhere in the forums, IIRC 20081114 22:21:02 simira: it's something the dev's are working on; life will be better with version 1.6 (and already is with 1.5); the addons page is mentioned in the topic of this channel and on the Wesnoth website (wesnoth.org) 20081114 22:21:55 hm, I didn't find it, but didn't look too hard either 20081114 22:21:59 I'm using 1.5 20081114 22:22:44 http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22599 20081114 22:23:09 I also asked that question just now, I'm not a Wesnoth guru; I got this answer :) THE single most often-asked question :) 20081114 22:23:21 hm, seems I've gotten completely blind 20081114 22:23:34 1.5 actually has a coloumn for package type 20081114 22:23:56 -!- hagabaka [n=hagabaka@unaffiliated/hagabaka] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081114 22:24:21 but I have to admit that I must try really hard not to register wesnothcampaigns.org and build php-scripts to allow people to see useful information and to vote on campaigns 20081114 22:24:58 especially since the situation hasn't changed in... maybe years, and well... wesnoth is addictive and fun 20081114 22:25:03 dont fight to resist 20081114 22:25:03 because you think it's not useful? 20081114 22:25:05 give in 20081114 22:26:09 well, seems like it has been improved with 1.5 at least 20081114 22:26:31 a community website build around UMC sounds useful to me 20081114 22:27:22 User-Made Content, right... had to look that one up 20081114 22:27:37 hum... but it would be better to not spread things too much 20081114 22:27:40 wesnoth community websites have a strong tendence of dilapidating 20081114 22:27:54 better to whom? 20081114 22:28:07 (other than the ones on wesnoth.org, of course) 20081114 22:28:25 grrrX: well, my guess is that people are less inclined to visit website than to use functionality that comes with the game 20081114 22:28:30 +s 20081114 22:28:38 depends, really. 20081114 22:28:40 -!- hagabaka [n=hagabaka@unaffiliated/hagabaka] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 22:28:55 they are certainly less inclined to register an account for every piece of information 20081114 22:29:14 and if it's something that's already being worked on, then maybe it's a bit of an overkill 20081114 22:29:22 I didn't realize there's a lot of different wesnoth-sites... 20081114 22:29:31 why can't people who wants to contribute cooperate? 20081114 22:29:47 cooperation is overrated 20081114 22:29:53 grrrX: :) 20081114 22:29:54 1 man teams can be powerful, too 20081114 22:30:02 I have to agree with that 20081114 22:30:26 my guess is that people choose to build their own websites to add that feeling of having their own pet 20081114 22:30:37 there aren't a lot of different wesnoth-sites 20081114 22:30:38 and what's wronng about that? 20081114 22:30:41 simira, the only vivid ones are afaik wesnoth.org and the ladder one 20081114 22:31:23 and then some random newbies occasionally start their own forums or something like that, which never attract any traffic AFAIK 20081114 22:31:35 for me as a user I'd like to be able to find the information and packages I need on one site.. .not having to register and look up 10 different sites... 20081114 22:31:36 -!- mysticspiral [n=toni-mai@p4FC27CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 22:32:00 which is why a new site would have to be reeeeally good if I was to pay any attention to it 20081114 22:32:06 -!- mysticspiral [n=toni-mai@p4FC27CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #wesnoth [] 20081114 22:32:06 is the addons list at www.wesnoth.org/addon-list/1.4/ autogenerated? 20081114 22:32:33 you think soliton would write it manually? 20081114 22:32:35 -!- mysticspiral [n=toni-mai@p4FC27CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 22:32:36 does it access the same backend at addons.wesnoth.org that Wesnoth uses? 20081114 22:32:44 yes. 20081114 22:33:04 -!- mysticspiral [n=toni-mai@p4FC27CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #wesnoth [] 20081114 22:33:09 hehe... right now I downloaded 5 or 6 packages marked "Campaign", and two of them actually were... 20081114 22:33:17 Soliton: did you just answer my question or grrrX's question? :) 20081114 22:33:26 yours, he lagged =p 20081114 22:33:57 -!- mysticspiral [n=toni-mai@p4FC27CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 22:33:59 Soliton: can you point me to the protocol description for addons.wesnoth.org? 20081114 22:34:25 the what now? 20081114 22:35:22 -!- mysticspiral [n=toni-mai@p4FC27CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20081114 22:35:27 the list is generated by: "cd $HOME/source/1.4 && utils/campaigns_client.py --port 1.4.x --download='.*' -c $HOME/WWW/html/files/addons/1.4/unpacked --html=$HOME/WWW/html/addon-list/1.4 --url="http://files.wesnoth.org/addons/1.4/" --tar=$HOME/WWW/html/files/addons/1.4" every hour. 20081114 22:35:33 -!- mysticspiral [n=toni-mai@p4FC27CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 22:35:47 yeah, so it's local 20081114 22:36:15 uhm ... 20081114 22:36:22 it doesn't have to be. 20081114 22:36:23 but is there a document that describes how Wesnoth accesses addons.wesnoth.org? 20081114 22:36:36 other than the code itself 20081114 22:36:47 that's what campaigns_client.py is for. 20081114 22:36:49 " hehe... right now I downloaded 5 or 6 packages marked "Campaign", and two of them actually were..." - huh, where? 20081114 22:37:15 other than the code itself :) 20081114 22:37:28 zookeeper, probably by the type tag in the _server.pbl? 20081114 22:37:48 anyways, I'll take a look at it; see if it's easily readable; I'm not that much of a Python fan 20081114 22:37:59 yeah, they bite 20081114 22:38:09 or wait, no they dont actually 20081114 22:38:18 zookeeper: in the windows 1.5 version, the add-on download 20081114 22:38:42 norbert-: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/CampaignServerWML 20081114 22:38:44 there are 5 add-ons marked campaign 20081114 22:38:47 -!- mysticspiral [n=toni-mai@p4FC27CA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #wesnoth [] 20081114 22:38:53 i'm not really sure what you're asking. 20081114 22:38:53 and one of them suspiciously looks like it might be a MP thing 20081114 22:39:03 zookeeper: I downloaded all of them, two appeared in my campaigns-menu 20081114 22:39:52 campaign is probably the default value and people are ignorant of the feature. 20081114 22:40:00 simira, that doesn't sound right. which ones didn't work? 20081114 22:40:05 the default should be: unknown 20081114 22:40:09 no, it displays "(unknown)" as the d...yes 20081114 22:40:29 ok, that's better. 20081114 22:40:52 zookeeper: Alfheim the Wise and Epic of Vaniyera were the two that worked 20081114 22:41:12 that is, the latter did not work playing, but it appeared under "Campaigns", at least 20081114 22:41:22 -!- lizard_r [n=MirandaM@Waa10.w.pppool.de] has quit ["I'm gone, but the Saurians will last."] 20081114 22:41:30 you need the imperial era for both. 20081114 22:41:43 I thought I downloaded that as well 20081114 22:43:26 -!- Blueblaze [n=Blueblaz@c-98-196-208-51.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 22:44:13 -!- simira [n=simira@vuizook.err.no] has left #wesnoth [] 20081114 22:46:12 having such a bad connection where you actually have to leave IRC just to go download some add-ons would suck, I guess 20081114 22:48:10 -!- tino_kusut [n=tino@125.160.232.128] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 22:50:39 Soliton: what does this mean: ImportError: No module named wesnoth.wmldat 20081114 22:52:12 you're starting it from the wrong dir and it doesn't find its modules, i guess. 20081114 22:52:17 it means you've run a python script from a wrong folder 20081114 22:52:35 but there isn't a wesnoth.wmldat file anywhere in the package 20081114 22:52:38 when you "install" python scripts the modules are magically forgotten 20081114 22:52:47 yeah 20081114 22:53:09 check the source tarball? 20081114 22:53:10 grrrX: there are ways around that though 20081114 22:53:20 Like manually installing each module 20081114 22:53:38 -!- Miccoh [i=Miccoh@cs181113020.pp.htv.fi] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 22:53:48 I dont consider that a feasible way, I just run them from the build directories 20081114 22:53:51 norbert@ren:~/Desktop/wesnoth-1.4.6$ find -name 'wesnoth.wmldat' 20081114 22:53:51 norbert@ren:~/Desktop/wesnoth-1.4.6$ 20081114 22:54:15 you should perhaps fgrep, not find 20081114 22:54:17 but I'm going to use another method, so never mind that 20081114 22:54:45 grrrX: Thats usally how I run python files 20081114 22:54:58 You can drag the module files into the libraries folder under linux 20081114 22:57:30 I'll just write my own stuff to access port 15002 20081114 22:57:40 the grrrX way :) 20081114 22:58:30 also, knowing the code will make it better to generate dynamic html 20081114 22:58:41 s/better/easier/ 20081114 23:00:05 15000 20081114 23:04:03 15003 even 20081114 23:04:30 norbert-, the missing module was wmldata.py btw, in "data/tools/wesnoth" 20081114 23:04:42 ok 20081114 23:06:18 -!- kusut [n=tino@125.160.255.108] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081114 23:06:21 (that explains it) changelog: * changed default port for campaign server to 15003 to separate 1.1 and 1.0 20081114 23:06:35 lots of old docs 'n stuff on the web 20081114 23:06:53 reminder to oneself: never forget to include the module name as a comment, into the module header itself 20081114 23:07:07 I guess I'll play Alfheim the Wise for a while 20081114 23:07:17 hope it's available for and works under 1.4 20081114 23:08:11 it is, 0.3.2, nice 20081114 23:08:18 -!- tino_kusut [n=tino@125.160.232.128] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081114 23:09:02 also added 0.17.5 of the Imperial Era 20081114 23:09:08 so, I guess I'm off playing 20081114 23:09:38 will look into dynamic html with user ratings 'n stuff starting tomorrow 20081114 23:09:40 bbl 20081114 23:09:41 -!- norbert- [n=norbert@82-171-70-54.ip.telfort.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081114 23:17:41 hehe, nice =) 20081114 23:31:28 -!- uzsolt_ [n=uzsolt@catv4E5C850E.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081114 23:31:45 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBF73D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 20081114 23:43:32 -!- kane77 [n=kane@194.1.130.37] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081114 23:46:47 -!- cobra632 [n=chatzill@c-71-63-79-245.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 23:50:37 -!- Turuk [n=Turuk@cpe-71-79-40-119.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 23:52:27 -!- Baufo_ [n=thomas@62-47-153-169.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #wesnoth 20081114 23:54:45 -!- Baufo [n=thomas@62-47-153-203.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081114 23:56:32 -!- SMP_ca [n=SMP_ca@wikipedia/SMP] has quit ["Bona nit!"] --- Log closed Sat Nov 15 00:00:45 2008