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(http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=324202#p324202) 20081202 01:44:15 -!- shikadibot [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 01:44:22 shikadibot: log 31221 20081202 01:44:27 Revision 31221 (ai0867 2008-12-02 00:45:48 +0000 (Tue, 02 Dec 2008)): 20081202 01:44:29 Allow Uradredia to recruit. (http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=324202#p324202) 20081202 01:44:33 Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=31221 20081202 01:55:21 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081202 01:58:08 -!- fendrin_ [n=fabi@f051195229.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 02:02:15 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. If you see a quit message virus, don't replace your quit message with it!"] 20081202 02:02:25 -!- alink [n=alink@host-212-68-216-251.brutele.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081202 02:11:47 -!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: soft stringfreeze for most campaigns: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/TextdomainStatus | 1.6 release plan: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth1.6ReleasePlan | 58 bugs, 209 feature requests, 7 patches | logs: http://wesnoth.org/irclogs | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com, or for images: http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add 20081202 02:16:13 -!- fendrin [n=fabi@f051193130.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081202 03:40:03 dave * r31222 /trunk/src/ (SConscript game.cpp malloc.c poolalloc.c): added new memory allocator 20081202 03:43:06 -!- Sirp [n=user@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 03:44:56 okay, my new allocator is now committed. 20081202 03:45:05 Yay. 20081202 04:20:27 -!- Psyche^ [n=Psyche@e177228003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 04:22:37 -!- Patterner [n=Psyche@e177226245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081202 04:22:37 -!- Psyche^ is now known as Patterner 20081202 04:26:48 -!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-39-246.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 04:27:51 actions.cpp:1198 - anyone know why plagued units are created with dummy_unit=true ? 20081202 04:28:14 -!- DDR_ [n=chatzill@66.183.120.206] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 04:30:37 -!- DDR_ is now known as DDR 20081202 04:34:29 it seems the only net effect is to force the plagued units to always be male, and to prevent the side number from being validated 20081202 04:52:34 -!- Ivanovic_ [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db226f4.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 05:08:52 -!- Ivanovic [n=ivanovic@dtmd-4db2418a.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081202 05:10:32 -!- Ivanovic_ is now known as Ivanovic 20081202 05:14:51 -!- Espreon [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081202 05:24:16 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 05:24:59 -!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-39-246.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [] 20081202 05:54:01 -!- fendrin_ is now known as fendrin 20081202 06:19:23 -!- [Relic] [n=[Relic]@adsl-76-229-220-201.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081202 06:33:16 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081202 06:35:44 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 07:52:58 zookeeper * r31223 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/11_Battle_for_Zocthanol_Isle.cfg: Some WML-cleanup. 20081202 08:01:32 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-jklgw4-fe9ff800-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 08:11:47 -!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: soft stringfreeze for most campaigns: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/TextdomainStatus | 1.6 release plan: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth1.6ReleasePlan | 59 bugs, 209 feature requests, 7 patches | logs: http://wesnoth.org/irclogs | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com, or for images: http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add 20081202 08:22:24 -!- mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 08:22:50 morning 20081202 08:30:08 hi mordante 20081202 08:30:18 hi Sirp 20081202 08:30:42 mordante: my pooled allocator is actually committed now. :) 20081202 08:30:44 I see you committed the new malloc :) 20081202 08:31:09 I look forward to read the code :) 20081202 08:31:11 http://www.openanno.org wow, must be the first OSS strategy game i see which doesn't have a boxy UI. nice. 20081202 08:32:13 zookeeper: 'boxy UI'? 20081202 08:32:37 Sirp, you know...the whole layout being comprised of boxes. 20081202 08:32:47 like wesnoth does 20081202 08:33:11 instead, there you got round buttons and whatnot floating on top of the main map. looks much more pleasant :) 20081202 08:33:37 zookeeper: ahhh, yeah, especially for a RTS that kind of makes sense I think. 20081202 08:33:48 I think we support that in Wesnoth if one wanted to make a theme to do it. :) 20081202 08:34:10 nope 20081202 08:34:19 i'd have used that feature a long time ago if it was supported 20081202 08:34:24 no? we don't allow widgets to float? 20081202 08:34:25 hmmm 20081202 08:34:35 i've bugged mordante about that regularly ;) 20081202 08:34:39 I thought we did. Maybe that got dropped at some stage. :-/ 20081202 08:34:45 it will be possible ;) 20081202 08:34:46 I mean, we already float the chatting widgets. 20081202 08:35:00 AFAIK it has never worked...at least since 1.0 or something 20081202 08:35:23 I'm changing the drawing engine to draw layer based instead of undrawing the stuff underneath it 20081202 08:35:26 it may have never quite had all the pieces together 20081202 08:35:39 zookeeper: btw I have been working on a prototype for a civ-like game: see http://www.wesnoth.org/files/dave/wesciv.png 20081202 08:36:08 who did those snow mountains? 20081202 08:36:26 Sirp, huh...that's interesting 20081202 08:36:42 * zookeeper is rather surprised by the 3D though 20081202 08:36:57 but looks interesting 20081202 08:37:06 how many games do you work on Sirp? 20081202 08:37:06 mordante: uhhh.....me? 20081202 08:37:12 mordante: too many. :) 20081202 08:37:31 I like the texturing of them 20081202 08:37:45 mordante: actually sorry I did the snow, and ripped the underlying mountains off from somewhere else. 20081202 08:38:01 zookeeper: the 3D allows the same scene to be shown in this perspective: http://www.wesnoth.org/files/dave/wesciv2.png 20081202 08:38:18 and, I have a long term goal to learn 3D well. :) 20081202 08:38:43 and, I think civ4 blows all other civ games away because of how they've done 3d 20081202 08:38:55 yeah i guess scaling (which is a must to have) is more natural to do in 3D 20081202 08:39:01 zookeeper openanno indeed looks nice 20081202 08:41:57 it's really nice how on the openanno site they give an apt-get line to run to get all deps so one can immediately build. :) 20081202 08:43:54 * mordante just reads that line as well ;) 20081202 08:44:07 do we have something like that for wesnoth? 20081202 08:46:14 kindof http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/WesnothBinariesLinux#Debian 20081202 09:01:36 * Sirp can't get openanno to start. 20081202 09:05:52 okay I'm off to bed 20081202 09:05:53 night all. 20081202 09:06:00 night Sirp 20081202 09:06:19 -!- Sirp [n=user@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20081202 09:25:44 mordante * r31224 /trunk/src/ (CMakeLists.txt Makefile.am): 20081202 09:25:44 Build fix for autotools and scons. 20081202 09:25:44 Integrated the new malloc files for these build systems. 20081202 09:25:44 (Note wesnoth seems to crash on startup on my system (32-bit)). 20081202 09:26:04 I hope to have a look at it in my lunchbreak 20081202 09:26:33 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 09:45:49 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.18/2008102918]"] 20081202 10:05:29 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.247.223] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 10:05:50 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.247.223] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 10:08:10 -!- fendrin [n=fabi@f051195229.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081202 10:16:34 mordante: Works for me (32bit system too) 20081202 10:16:44 odd 20081202 10:19:32 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has quit ["GO, GET TO THE CHOPPAH!!!"] 20081202 10:24:33 works for me (but 64bit) 20081202 10:25:06 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 10:31:48 I expected it to be a 32/64 bit issue since Sirp uses 64 bit afaik, but guess it's something else 20081202 10:38:31 -!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 10:48:24 well, it wanst pthread.h, which it won't find on a windows system 20081202 10:54:56 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.247.223] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20081202 10:55:42 AFAIK there's a pthread implementation for windows. 20081202 10:55:54 There's some win32 specific code in malloc.c . It will use win32 spinlock on windows. 20081202 10:56:00 But poolalloc.c uses pthread unconditionally. 20081202 10:57:13 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.18/2008102918]"] 20081202 11:17:21 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20081202 11:34:50 Sirp_: poolalloc.c has aun unfinished comment :) 20081202 11:34:58 line 37 at HEAD 20081202 11:34:59 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 11:50:02 okay, both Konqueror and Iceweasel tend to display the forum in huge fonts for no reason at all 20081202 11:50:30 eek, a bitmap font ("Helvetica") is taking precedence over truetype ones ? 20081202 11:55:18 it seems I screwed something up when I overrode the xorg.conf or something 20081202 11:55:58 * Shadow_Master goes to do a math test 20081202 12:02:38 -!- DDR [n=chatzill@66.183.120.206] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081202 12:31:53 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.18/2008102918]"] 20081202 12:33:35 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 13:12:14 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.18/2008102918]"] 20081202 13:37:48 -!- Sapient [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 13:38:41 -!- EdB [n=EdB@87.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 13:50:32 Sapient, you have any idea about http://gna.org/bugs/?12660 ? 20081202 13:50:50 wesbot: bug 12660 20081202 13:50:50 Bug #12660 Assigned to: None Status: None Priority: 5 - Normal 20081202 13:50:51 Summary: [role] without type= doesn't work 20081202 13:50:51 Original submission: Trying to assign a role without giving a list of unit typ 20081202 13:50:53 es seems to always fail. The bug seems to have been introduced sometime after 1. 20081202 13:50:56 URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?12660 20081202 13:51:11 huh... never heard of that bug 20081202 13:51:16 should be simple to fix 20081202 13:51:30 well, as it says there, it's recent 20081202 13:51:56 I am a bit skeptical of that then 20081202 13:52:30 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 13:52:44 I can't look at it until after work, though 20081202 13:52:56 ok 20081202 13:54:18 it's the reason behind this bug: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=324076#p324076 but it probably breaks similar stuff in other campaigns too 20081202 13:59:54 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-126-103.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 14:01:51 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081202 14:08:06 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 14:11:47 -!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: soft stringfreeze for most campaigns: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/TextdomainStatus | 1.6 release plan: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth1.6ReleasePlan | 59 bugs, 210 feature requests, 7 patches | logs: http://wesnoth.org/irclogs | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com, or for images: http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add 20081202 14:20:34 -!- busfahrer [n=busfahre@unixboard/user/busfahrer] has quit ["leaving"] 20081202 14:33:29 -!- EdB [n=EdB@87.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20081202 15:07:42 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.18/2008102918]"] 20081202 15:20:56 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 15:51:19 -!- shadowmaster [i=c86f80ab@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a2ef82cdd698d195] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 15:59:59 so, I'm behind a firewall that blocks IRC amongst other stuff :/ 20081202 16:00:35 -!- JonJon [n=chatzill@217-211-27-121-no23.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 16:00:59 Be thankful that it doesn't block http and you can use mibbit :) 20081202 16:04:02 yeaah, and download the git tarball 20081202 16:06:16 well, Sirp's allocator seems to save me from page-swapping even with iceweasel running 20081202 16:06:37 oh wait, spoke too fast. As soon as the gamemap was displayed swap consumption increased from 0% to 2% 20081202 16:29:17 is anyone experienced with SF.net's ML software? 20081202 16:29:46 That's a question without any content. 20081202 16:30:14 -!- EdB [n=EdB@87.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 16:31:17 -!- yann [n=dwitch@nan92-1-81-57-214-146.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081202 16:32:46 wesbot: seen AI0867 20081202 16:32:46 shadowmaster: Queried user last spoke 14h 48m ago. AI0867 is currently (also as shikadibot) here on on the channel #wesnoth. 20081202 16:39:00 * shadowmaster sighs 20081202 16:41:11 -!- JonJon [n=chatzill@217-211-27-121-no23.tbcn.telia.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081202 16:44:42 ESR_: do you remember that I asked you to review wesnoth-umc-dev's terms long time ago? 20081202 16:44:46 -!- IRSeekBot3 [n=IRSeekLo@irseek/log-bot/IRSeekBot] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 16:45:16 and that you had an answer that you never got to write... 20081202 16:45:58 shadowmaster: Where are the terms written down. 20081202 16:47:21 http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=21413 20081202 16:48:12 those were the initial terms. They are supposed to either match or include both mainline and add-ons server content policies 20081202 16:48:47 but IANAL and I fail at writing administrative stuff, so I need your help so that I can establish a definitive paper and the 1.6 "Action Plan" 20081202 16:51:50 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-213-164-126-103.vinita.lt] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081202 16:52:26 I hope we get to an agreement this time 20081202 16:53:07 That looks good, except that I object to the "obscenity" exclusion. The mostr I think we can reasonably require is that potentially offensive material be labeled with a content warning. 20081202 16:54:09 Let people make their own choices about what to view and publish. I do not want to be in the position of being a censor. 20081202 16:54:16 well, I guess I didn't contemplate ANO in the campaigns server back then. I assumed it dead 20081202 16:55:12 still, from http://alexandria.wiki.sourceforge.net/Terms+of+Use: "(e) Your Content is not obscene, lewd, lascivious, excessively violent, harassing, libelous or slanderous, does not advocate the violent overthrow of the government of the United States, does not incite, encourage or threaten immediate physical harm against another, does not violate any applicable law, regulation, or rule, and does not violate th 20081202 16:55:31 Based on what I know about ANO, I could not in good conscience exclude it, though I might require a "Mature content" label. 20081202 16:56:22 ^ see above, the obscenity exclusion is inherited from the hosting ToS, 20081202 16:56:43 Right, but "obscene" gas a specific technical meaning in U.S. law which stuff like ANO doesn't meet. You probably don't know about the Miller test... 20081202 16:57:01 no, I'll look it up 20081202 16:57:07 hi 20081202 16:57:08 "overthrow of the government of the United States" <- so you can advocate overthrow of other governments? :) 20081202 16:58:09 shadowmaster: So you are not going to share your problems with SF.net's ML software? I mean, noone will be able to help you if you frown because noone responded to your empty question 20081202 16:58:42 I would not mind advocating that for my country's 20081202 16:58:55 hi Ivanovic 20081202 16:59:01 and bye I'm off 20081202 16:59:10 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test 20081202 16:59:10 team members. I still can produce the 20081202 16:59:11 script to run without any special login, and you just install it with 20081202 16:59:11 special settings in the environment you want. 20081202 16:59:24 erm, that was a mispaste 20081202 16:59:31 rhonda: oh sorry. the problem is that I lost the administrative password 20081202 16:59:32 -!- mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]"] 20081202 16:59:43 looks like the only way out is to file a support ticket ... 20081202 17:00:03 shadowmaster: Erm, isn't that possible throught the list admin interface? 20081202 17:00:18 In any case, if we want to inherit the Source Forge TOS, we should simply link back to it without ourselves taking a position beyond the law on what constitutes obscenity. 20081202 17:00:42 I can't access the list's admin interface without its password :) 20081202 17:01:28 shadowmaster: "If this password is lost, it may be reset via the Administer/Update Lists page for your project." 20081202 17:01:41 shadowmaster: The admin interface of _sourceforge_, not of the list 20081202 17:01:47 just found it :/ 20081202 17:02:08 shadowmaster: https://sourceforge.net/mail/admin/index.php?group_id=&change_status=1 20081202 17:02:29 ANO, I would say, fails the Miller test for obscenity in at least two ways; it is not calculated to arouse prurient interest, and it has serious literary/artistic merit. 20081202 17:02:31 ESR_: still , I'd not be happy with controversial content there. 20081202 17:03:44 Why not? I wouldn't have a problem even with stuff much racier than ANO. 20081202 17:04:18 I want to avoid discussing this stuff with users, if in some future such content was added to the repository 20081202 17:04:57 shikadibot: ANO? 20081202 17:04:58 regardless of the obscenity term, I recall you said that some things had to be revised from that post. What other things? 20081202 17:04:59 ANO: A New Order 20081202 17:05:13 did you mean the licensing? 20081202 17:06:01 There are some language glitches in your TOS; also I think we should permit certain variants of Creative Commons licensing. 20081202 17:06:37 And I think our answer to users objrcting to adult content should be that we aren't making them look at it. 20081202 17:06:39 -!- fendrin [n=fabi@f051195229.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 17:06:53 okay... this is precisely what I mean. You know very well that IANAL nor a native speaker, and that I am not yet familiarized with all the possible OSS licenses. If you could post a revised version of the policy, I'd really appreciate it 20081202 17:07:19 OK, I'll try to get to it today. 20081202 17:07:20 Hi 20081202 17:08:06 you should post it to the thread as a new reply. do not edit the first post please 20081202 17:08:24 -!- EdB [n=EdB@87.117.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20081202 17:10:45 btw it's unfortunate that I wasn't around when LoW was mainlined. I'd been against removing it from the wesnoth-umc-dev trunk the way you did it. Instead, it should have been branched as a historical note 20081202 17:10:50 an user-visible historical note 20081202 17:13:15 shadowmaster: You can still do that. SVN should have not forgotten about LoW. 20081202 17:14:28 I know svn doesn't forget. But restoring a whole tree is damn annoying 20081202 17:14:55 specially for git-svn users (hint) 20081202 17:16:11 thanks again for the mainline git tarball soliton 20081202 17:21:43 AI0867: you shoul dbe a ble to login with the moderator password now 20081202 17:30:51 off to do some sports, cu in some hours 20081202 17:32:16 -!- shadowmaster [i=c86f80ab@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-a2ef82cdd698d195] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 20081202 18:03:29 fendrin * r31225 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/07_Elves_last_stand.cfg: fixed bug #12663 20081202 18:18:56 -!- Mythological [i=Mytholog@77.28.57.241] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 18:22:25 -!- Sapient [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081202 18:22:35 Mythological: ping 20081202 18:24:05 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 18:24:43 fendrin: pong 20081202 18:24:59 zookeeper: Please give me permission to move all macros that are related to village ownership to a seperate villages.cfg and add some more. 20081202 18:25:43 Mythological: You are porting "Elf War" to 1.5? Can you send me the campaign? I would like to playtest it. 20081202 18:26:15 Mythological: maybe you want to import it to umc-dev svn repository. 20081202 18:26:50 fendrin: sure; just give me your email to sent the files too ( forum PMs wont do as the files are too big ) 20081202 18:26:57 s/too/to 20081202 18:27:10 Mythological: fabianmueller5@gmx.de 20081202 18:30:35 fendrin, fine, but maybe name it differently, maybe side-setup.cfg or something. could move the stuff from sidelimit-utils.cfg there too then. 20081202 18:31:01 (or just side-utils.cfg) 20081202 18:34:28 zookeeper: side-utils.cfg is fine for me 20081202 18:36:53 fendrin * r31226 /trunk/data/core/macros/ (side-utils.cfg sidelimit-utils.cfg): Renamed sidelimit-utils.cfg to side-utils.cfg. 20081202 18:41:31 -!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 18:43:30 fendrin: e-mail sent 20081202 18:43:53 Mythological: Thank you :-) 20081202 18:44:01 you're welcome 20081202 18:44:17 hi myth 20081202 18:44:24 I'll think and talk with shadowmaster about dev-umc 20081202 18:44:33 hello zookeeper 20081202 18:48:25 Mythological: we have a channel at irc.freenode.net. #wesnoth-umc-dev 20081202 18:50:19 all right 20081202 18:50:35 fendrin * r31227 /trunk/data/core/macros/ (side-utils.cfg utils.cfg): moved all village ownership related macros from utils.cfg to side-utils.cfg 20081202 18:53:10 Mythological, is the cliffs of thoria + underground channels (especially the latter) complete enough for a stable release? 20081202 18:57:35 zookeeper: that is a good question 20081202 18:57:43 the answer is no ATM 20081202 18:57:55 when will the first RC be out? 20081202 18:58:21 no idea, but campaigns are in light string freeze already 20081202 18:58:52 so, now new strings? 20081202 18:59:31 yup, or at least not much.. 20081202 18:59:36 underground channels seems pretty incomplete to me and doesn't seem to tie in with the elven council, so maybe we should disable that branch for 1.6? 20081202 18:59:44 right 20081202 19:00:00 the idea was to make it tie to the elven council 20081202 19:00:27 or just disable underground channels and try to tie cliffs of thoria to elven council in some way without much string changes 20081202 19:00:48 but since it is hopelessly incomplete and it requires *many* dialogs, the best option would be to remove it from 1.6 20081202 19:01:58 I dont think that tying TCoT to EC in a convincing way without many string changes would be possible, zookeeper 20081202 19:03:38 err, i actually meant tying TCoT to home of the north elves 20081202 19:03:44 greetings. 20081202 19:04:05 but let's see about that in 15 minutes, gotta go for a moment -> 20081202 19:04:10 zookeeper: that is good idea - I'll make it so 20081202 19:26:19 Mythological, ok, cool 20081202 19:27:56 there are quite a lot of references to the caves in that scenario though 20081202 19:28:05 but i'll let that be your headache then ;) 20081202 19:34:02 heh 20081202 19:34:26 I think I'll just comment out those ;) 20081202 19:38:59 fwiw i think such a hidden branch as that one doesn't need to be that polished. 20081202 19:41:12 well, you might be right - only few people have ever played it 20081202 19:43:06 Soliton: if you manage to convince zookeeper to keep it the way it is, I wont mind ;) 20081202 19:44:52 IMO, either disable it completely or leave it as is or improve it of course but not in a way that will be reverted later anyway. 20081202 19:44:56 only few people seem to have played 1.5 :p 20081202 19:45:11 and as i said i don't think it needs to be disabled. 20081202 19:46:17 zookeeper: well, who is going to get the idea of recruiting merman and going to the end of the river with them without any hint? 20081202 19:46:50 only people who already know about it or read the WML will go there and i don't think those will mind a bit of unpolishedness. 20081202 19:47:11 IIRC, I've put a subtle hint in the starting dialog of A choice must be made 20081202 19:47:22 but few people play attention to those 20081202 19:47:43 meh, i'd guess there will be people who read about it on the forums or get told by someone else who then go try it and post on the forums how the branch doesn't make sense to them 20081202 19:54:13 -!- Shadow_Master [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081202 19:55:28 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d855b3f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 20:03:53 -!- AI0867_ [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 20:04:26 -!- shikadibot [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081202 20:05:19 -!- AI0867 [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081202 20:07:59 -!- AI0867_ is now known as AI0867 20081202 20:08:10 -!- shikadib1t [n=ai@van-gessel.demon.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 20:08:19 -!- shikadib1t is now known as shikadibot 20081202 20:11:42 Sirp_: with the new malloc, wesnoth segfaults for me, here's the start of the stacktrace (it loops): http://rafb.net/p/a3lLtD35.html 20081202 20:15:05 AI0867: can you get me a backtrace with symbols and line numbers? 20081202 20:15:15 (i.e. compile with debugging and probably without optimizations) 20081202 20:15:44 AI0867: When does it segfault for you? 20081202 20:16:03 -!- Shadow_Master [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 20:16:03 on start 20081202 20:17:10 It doesn't for me :/ 20081202 20:21:10 -!- Mythological_ [i=Mytholog@77.28.60.148] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 20:24:18 wow, these pot-update commits are impressive. thanks God that the subway's WLAN here beats any commercial WLAN 20081202 20:25:18 or residential, even 20081202 20:27:49 shikadibot: log head 20081202 20:27:56 Revision 31227 (fendrin 2008-12-02 17:52:24 +0000 (Tue, 02 Dec 2008)): 20081202 20:27:59 moved all village ownership related macros from utils.cfg to side-utils.cfg 20081202 20:28:02 Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=31227 20081202 20:28:05 -!- Mythological [i=Mytholog@77.28.57.241] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20081202 20:31:14 morale of the history: don't attempt to make new branches on already stable campaigns. This has failed to work on NR (undead branch) and IftU (hell branch) already. 20081202 20:31:50 ... um, morale of the history: all of the above applies if you don't have unlimited spare time. 20081202 20:37:40 -!- yann [n=dwitch@nan92-1-81-57-214-146.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 20:39:53 -!- BenUrban [n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban] has quit ["Power failu"] 20081202 20:42:33 -!- Mythological_ is now known as Mythological 20081202 21:00:21 -!- yann [n=dwitch@nan92-1-81-57-214-146.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081202 21:00:32 -!- yann [n=dwitch@nan92-1-81-57-214-146.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 21:12:14 -!- Jetrel [n=Jetrel@mn-10k-dhcp1-151.dsl.hickorytech.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 21:12:49 zookeeper: unfiled bug report, will file a proper one if you want me to. 20081202 21:13:14 torangan * r31228 /branches/1.4/data/core/about.cfg: credit update 20081202 21:13:44 zookeeper: There's a new-ish idle animation for the male-only archmages, but with the original WML I committed it with, it's displaying on the females as well. 20081202 21:14:21 hey jetty 20081202 21:14:58 unfiled, huh? https://gna.org/bugs/?12633 20081202 21:15:04 torangan * r31229 /branches/1.4/po/wesnoth-tb/hu.po: hungarian translation update 20081202 21:15:16 zookeeper: at least by me. :D 20081202 21:16:56 torangan * r31230 /trunk/po/ (9 files in 9 dirs): dutch, danish translation update 20081202 21:17:31 Sometimes the AI does collossaly stupid things. 20081202 21:18:10 torangan * r31231 /trunk/po/wesnoth/nl.po: dutch translation update 20081202 21:18:11 I'm observing a network MP match, and I just watched it suicide 8 lancers against an ancient wose. 20081202 21:19:15 I also watched it choose a full-hp mage as the target of their paladin, rather than the 1-hp lich that was standing right next to it. 20081202 21:19:59 that is prolly because of drain 20081202 21:20:14 and high agression of AI 20081202 21:20:25 Probably. 20081202 21:20:33 i bet the CTK wasn't higher on the mage? 20081202 21:21:04 who knows. 20081202 21:21:54 Right, anyways, I need to run. 20081202 21:21:57 Errands to do. 20081202 21:36:38 Sirp_: w/ debug symbols: http://rafb.net/p/rBRYmU79.html 20081202 21:37:34 Hm.. That bt looks familiar.. 20081202 21:37:56 gah, it's the same 20081202 21:37:58 wtf 20081202 21:38:38 I used scons build=debug, took me an hour 20081202 21:38:42 no difference? 20081202 21:38:50 AI0867: did you start wesnoth_debug? 20081202 21:39:46 gdb ./wesnoth-debug, yes 20081202 21:39:59 All those are system functions, 20081202 21:40:22 line 4-6 aren't 20081202 21:40:26 they're from the allocator 20081202 21:40:38 With the exception of add_block_to_pool() 20081202 21:40:52 Try running it in gdb 20081202 21:43:57 gdb;exec-file wesnoth-debug;file wesnoth-debug;start;continue 20081202 21:44:11 no additional info 20081202 21:45:19 Jetrel: just for your info: i plan to have 1.4.7 out friday next week 20081202 21:45:38 and i would hope this is the last 1.4.x release 20081202 21:45:43 s/would// 20081202 21:46:33 probably i will find the time tomorrow to write some mails to the -dev and -i18n lists to annouce the date as well as seeing this one as the last 1.4.x release unless some really grave bug occurs 20081202 21:46:38 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBBE42.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 21:46:57 fendrin * r31232 /trunk/data/core/macros/side-utils.cfg: 20081202 21:46:57 Added more village ownership macros to side-utils.cfg. 20081202 21:46:57 ESR_ please review the language. 20081202 21:46:57 zookeeper please review the code. 20081202 21:47:14 Looking... 20081202 21:48:35 is anyone working on getting the pool_alloc to compile on windows/mingw? 20081202 21:49:32 ilor: I might try to do that if you don't want to. 20081202 21:49:55 loonycyborg: I don't have the time at the moment and won't have in the next few days 20081202 21:49:59 The simples way would be just to use win32 implementation of pthread. 20081202 21:50:08 *simplest 20081202 21:53:05 fendrin: Nice work on the village macros! 20081202 21:55:16 ESR_: thank you :-) 20081202 21:56:22 Have you already changed DM:12 to use TRANSFER_VILLAGE_OWNERSHIP? 20081202 21:56:49 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 21:57:17 No. 20081202 21:57:31 esr * r31233 /trunk/data/core/macros/side-utils.cfg: Minor documentation-comment revisions. 20081202 21:57:48 loonycyborg: any idea how to get more info out of gdb? 20081202 21:58:49 Using "up" instead of "bt" 20081202 21:58:58 fendrin: I'd do it, but you should probably give that a look anyway to be sure that's you're OK with my changes to your changes. 20081202 22:01:23 ESR_: I want to review the whole campaign and rewrite every piece of code that doesn't please me. But I do believe that I will do that after the release of 1.6. At the moment it's more important to fix bugs in Low and UtbS. 20081202 22:01:34 True. 20081202 22:04:13 Sirp_: Hi, does the information gathered from the player contain the unit looses? I like to encourage you to add a graph for that as well. 20081202 22:06:21 * loonycyborg wonders why did he tell AI0867 to use gdb while there already were some bts pasted which should be naturally retrieved using gdb. 20081202 22:06:39 And got that request honored! 20081202 22:07:27 I used gdb in a different way 20081202 22:07:31 got the same result though 20081202 22:08:10 Anyway, that wasn't bt automatically printed by glibc without gdb? 20081202 22:08:30 That would explain missing symbols.. 20081202 22:11:05 fendrin: it contains the units the player has after the end of each scenario. It doesn't include the units the player lost in a given scenario. 20081202 22:11:41 fendrin: but you could see e.g. "the average player had 3.4 3rd level units at the end of scenario 3, and only 3.1 on average at the end of scenario 4.....so scenario 4 must kill off lots of higher level units" 20081202 22:13:27 Sirp_: that information is valuable as well :-) 20081202 22:15:05 loonycyborg: it wasn't 20081202 22:15:54 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit ["On the road again"] 20081202 22:16:35 -!- ettin [n=jorda@70.207.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081202 22:21:24 fendrin, looks fine to me 20081202 22:21:38 Does everybody agree that a NEXT macro that doesn't need the variable as argument would be an improvement? 20081202 22:23:21 zookeeper: thank you :-) 20081202 22:23:43 Hm.. I'm getting "ERROR, wrong thread!" sometimes.. 20081202 22:24:07 loonycyborg: yeah, I think I still need to fix that. 20081202 22:24:31 I wasn't sure if we do that or not (basically malloc in one thread and then free in another) 20081202 22:25:40 AI0867: Do you have single-core or multi-core cpu? 20081202 22:25:56 single 20081202 22:26:58 loonycyborg: that message should never cause a crash though. Just a memory leak. 20081202 22:28:37 Sirp_: any ideas on how to get me to get you more info? 20081202 22:30:08 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 22:30:43 AI0867: I'm afraid I'm not sure. Are you sure it's building with -g on and no optimizations? 20081202 22:30:53 and are you trying to run with gdb attached to get the backtrace? 20081202 22:31:31 I used scons build=debug program_suffix=debug 20081202 22:31:57 21:43 < AI0867> gdb;exec-file wesnoth-debug;file wesnoth-debug;start;continue 20081202 22:32:12 hmmmm 20081202 22:32:20 afaik that should give a backtrace, I have no idea why it doesn't. :( 20081202 22:32:46 AI0867: What's the size of that wesnoth-debug file? 20081202 22:33:02 when I give the command bt, it gives a backtrace, but the not-very-informative one 20081202 22:33:19 -rwxr-xr-x 2 ai users 6.9M 2008-12-02 19:48 wesnoth 20081202 22:33:19 -rwxr-xr-x 2 ai users 134M 2008-12-02 21:09 wesnoth-debug 20081202 22:33:25 I think that's big enough 20081202 22:33:49 Mine is merely 99.8MB 20081202 22:35:15 -!- ettin [n=jorda@165.207.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 22:35:57 Perhaps it's glibc bug? Which distro/version you're using currently? 20081202 22:36:09 ubuntu 8.10 20081202 22:36:52 * loonycyborg can multiboot to ubuntu 20081202 22:36:57 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.247.223] has left #wesnoth-dev ["In Soviet Russia, channel /parts YOU!!"] 20081202 22:37:00 maybe a problem with using C mixed with C++ ?? 20081202 22:38:29 could be 20081202 22:38:36 -!- YogiHH [i=YogiHH@c223142.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 22:38:44 hello everyone 20081202 22:39:13 anyone knows where fontconfig.h is to be found on windows? 20081202 22:39:18 unless you have any more ideas, I'll svn up some revisions ago and rebuild my normal binaries 20081202 22:45:28 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-jklgw4-fe9ff800-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20081202 22:46:11 -!- loonycyborg [n=kvirc@79.139.247.223] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 22:46:28 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081202 22:46:31 YogiHH: AFAIK it's in GTK SDK 20081202 22:46:57 If not, you can still download it from same site. 20081202 22:47:33 -!- boucman [n=rosen@159.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 22:47:57 YogiHH: so going to port the replay patch to trunk soon? 20081202 22:48:11 Ivanovic: i hope so 20081202 22:49:00 great 20081202 22:49:12 Besides, fontconfig shouldn't be needed by the sourcefiles on windows in trunk. 20081202 22:49:13 -!- yann [n=dwitch@nan92-1-81-57-214-146.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081202 22:55:52 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d855b3f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081202 22:56:08 Ivanovic: cool, thanks 20081202 22:56:54 -!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-39-246.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 23:06:23 Ok. I'm getting segfault on ubuntu. 20081202 23:07:18 s/segfault/the segfault 20081202 23:08:34 -!- Appleman1234 [n=Appleman@123.211.191.172] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 23:11:48 i am off to bed now, n8 20081202 23:23:38 I'm getting unhelpful backtrace too :( 20081202 23:26:35 If I use "start" and then step through it with "n", init_custom_malloc() runs without problems, while "if(SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_TIMER) < 0) {" segfaults 20081202 23:27:34 hmm.. SDL problem? 20081202 23:29:30 hmmm hmmmm 20081202 23:29:58 loonycyborg: if you move init_custom_malloc() to after the call to SDL_Init() does it work okay after that? 20081202 23:30:11 and btw I tested on ubuntu, though 64 bit. 20081202 23:30:11 -!- YogiHH_ [i=YogiHH@c223142.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 23:31:10 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 23:31:48 Sirp_: Which version of ubuntu? Hardy Heron or Intrepid Ibex? 20081202 23:33:29 20081202 22:21:38 Does everybody agree that a NEXT macro that doesn't need the variable as argument would be an improvement? 20081202 23:33:44 fendrin: what if you are using multiple loops simultaneously? 20081202 23:35:08 Sapient: Nested FOREACHs ? 20081202 23:35:29 Sirp_: If I move it after SDL_Init it crashes in do_gameloop. 20081202 23:35:56 -!- YogiHH [i=YogiHH@c223142.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081202 23:35:57 fendrin: right, or {FOREACH} that triggers events 20081202 23:38:10 loonycyborg: I think Intrepid Ibex 20081202 23:38:11 Sapient: That is my question. A NEXT always terminates the latest FOREACH, doesn't it? 20081202 23:38:20 loonycyborg: and that sounds like it's just an 'inevitable crash' then. 20081202 23:38:27 loonycyborg: it crashes in freeing somewhere? 20081202 23:38:42 -!- ilor_ [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 23:38:50 fendrin: it doesn't 20081202 23:39:05 err, it ends the 'current' foreach 20081202 23:39:10 Sirp_: It looks like that. 20081202 23:39:30 Also, some *printf functions are involved. 20081202 23:39:30 and it clears the counter specified in NEXT 20081202 23:40:05 That bt definitely can't be infinite. 20081202 23:40:14 fendrin: it is also possible to terminate the {FOREACH} by setting the counter to a high value 20081202 23:40:20 but, yes 20081202 23:40:49 Sirp_: I'm using Intrepid too. 20081202 23:41:41 loonycyborg: why do you say some printf functions are involved? 20081202 23:42:02 Because they're in bt. 20081202 23:42:09 ....the allocator calls printf internally in some places, so if any of those calls themselves called malloc() it would cause the problem... 20081202 23:42:17 vfprintf 20081202 23:42:21 ahhh 20081202 23:42:22 vasprintf 20081202 23:42:27 asprintf 20081202 23:42:46 okay asprintf makes sense 20081202 23:42:52 because it allocates 20081202 23:43:03 but is this function in the backtrace when it crashes in SDL_Init() ? 20081202 23:43:19 It's always in backtraces. 20081202 23:43:42 -!- ilor [n=a@unaffiliated/ilor] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20081202 23:46:06 fendrin: I am not sure that I would welcome a more complicated version of FOREACH which only serves the purpose of removing a parameter 20081202 23:46:15 loonycyborg: hmmm can I see one of your backtraces? 20081202 23:46:55 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081202 23:47:00 Earler in the log there are some AI's backtraces. Mine look same. 20081202 23:47:39 fendrin: it's a creative idea, but it could cause minor performance issues; and explicitly stating the iteration variable does convey some contextual information when viewing a large loop 20081202 23:49:06 Sirp_: Yay! I finally managed to get to it's top! :) http://rafb.net/p/Eubtoh48.html 20081202 23:50:20 s/it's/its 20081202 23:51:05 -!- Espreon [n=espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 23:51:09 Sapient: Good point. My first idea was that it could be achieved by the intelligent use of prepros. That wouldn't blow up the resulting code. But I am not sure if that is possible. 20081202 23:51:33 dlsym looks interesting.. 20081202 23:53:33 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBBE42.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 20081202 23:54:42 loonycyborg: okay so it looks like the asprintf/infinite recursion is a red herring 20081202 23:55:14 the problem is that there is an assertion failure in add_block_to_pool(). This assertion failure then calls asprintf() which calls malloc() itself, causing the recursion. 20081202 23:55:28 meaning the allocator should probably use its own hand-rolled version of assert. :) 20081202 23:55:48 -!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081202 23:55:52 wassert! 20081202 23:56:10 ...yeah.... 20081202 23:56:27 why did wassert get removed in the first place? :) 20081202 23:56:40 don't know. 20081202 23:57:01 loonycyborg: so it looks like it's failling in the assert() on line 192. 20081202 23:57:41 loonycyborg: so if you can't get a nice backtrace, maybe you can manually print out all the values in the Block object with an fprintf(stderr, ...) statement, so we can see what's going on with the block? 20081202 23:57:58 I mean, you could just write #define wassert assert in global.hpp... getting rid of it in the source seemed like losing a capability for no reason 20081202 23:58:22 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081202 23:59:35 Sapient: yeah I think that's silly. 20081202 23:59:48 personally I think we should develop a host of assert macros.... 20081202 23:59:58 wassert_gt(x, y) --- Log closed Wed Dec 03 00:00:08 2008