--- Log opened Thu Dec 04 00:00:50 2008 20081204 00:12:33 ESR_: ping 20081204 00:13:03 fendrin: What's up? 20081204 00:14:40 ESR_: how's that revision going? 20081204 00:22:59 Sirp_: Interesting. If I change mmap to dlmalloc it segfaults: http://rafb.net/p/CWQUsm66.html 20081204 00:23:11 ESR_: turin said so, ravanal invented the 'Mal-' prefix for his cult, its usage in TSG (which is set just before EI) implies that his influence stretches that far 20081204 00:23:30 void* alloc = mmap(.. 20081204 00:23:31 to 20081204 00:23:40 void* alloc = dlmalloc(CUSTOM_MEMORY_SIZE); 20081204 00:24:08 loonycyborg: did you mutex lock the dlmalloc lock before calling dlmalloc()? (not that there should be any other threads spawned at this time, but just in case....) 20081204 00:24:15 *after* EI, copying of 'Mal' for its infamy can be acceptable, but not before 20081204 00:24:40 ESR_: pling**3 20081204 00:24:52 AI0867: where does Mal Ravanal say he invented it? 20081204 00:24:56 No. I only changed mmap to dlmalloc 20081204 00:24:57 also, in the case of DiD, 'Mal' (with a space, rather than a hyphen) is a simple shortening of Malin, though I'd prefer if he just kept his old name 20081204 00:25:09 loonycyborg: you know you can type 'bt' to get a nicer looking backtrace. :) 20081204 00:25:22 he likes to do that for selecting frames 20081204 00:27:29 This crash occurs with close to 100% probability when loading saved game. 20081204 00:28:10 loonycyborg: it's possibly because dlmalloc() won't give us an allocation on a page boundary 20081204 00:28:16 I have code to deal with this, but maybe it is bugged. 20081204 00:31:41 * Shadow_Master rebuilds 20081204 00:32:21 spent a good while trying to find a good example of in the web 20081204 00:32:35 Shadow_Master: turin said he invented it for ravanal and that it certainly wasn't intended as a generic prefix 20081204 00:33:29 Shadow_Master: What's ? Some obscure html element? :) 20081204 00:33:35 fontconfig 20081204 00:34:03 and the man page *sucks* badly 20081204 00:35:25 Why are you studying fontconfig? For some project of yours? 20081204 00:35:58 for rejecting Helvetica in debian lenny without disabling all bitmap fonts 20081204 00:36:01 Or you're trying to fix fonts in firefox? :) 20081204 00:36:23 I hoped it would also fix the gignatic fonts issue in firefox, but it didn't. 20081204 00:37:52 the only workaround is to change the page encoding to something (evem the current one) while viewing them 20081204 00:38:50 but it lasts as long as I don't visit other page 20081204 00:43:11 can you believe that forcing it not to use the web pages' own fonts doesn't solve it? :S 20081204 00:43:33 Have you tried searching Debian forums for people who have this issue too? 20081204 00:43:55 no, but I searched in the bugtracker and didn't find anything like this 20081204 00:44:45 Of course I'm not sure whether there *are* debian forums.. 20081204 00:45:47 font-size: 1.2em; 20081204 00:48:32 fun fact: one of my government's pages bans non-IE browsers 20081204 00:49:03 I had to use Konqui and user-agent spoofing to fget to it 20081204 00:50:34 There's a FF plugin for easy access to user-agent setting.. 20081204 00:51:14 ah well, I didn't know about it then. thanks. 20081204 00:52:35 There's a FF plugin for every purpose. That's why I switched to it from opera :) 20081204 00:58:25 render mode: "standards compliance mode". could it be possible that our forum pages aren't compliant? :) 20081204 00:58:49 itt is really weird that no other pages suffer from this problem 20081204 01:06:01 cya later, have fun. 20081204 01:06:02 -!- Sapient [n=sapien-x@c-71-59-39-246.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081204 01:33:57 wesnoth seems not to be crashing for me when loading saved games 20081204 01:34:36 Shadow_Master: That was only happening when I changed mmap to dlmalloc. 20081204 01:34:44 aahh 20081204 01:35:09 Consider yourself lucky that I didn't commit it without testing :) 20081204 01:36:11 I am not going to redo my O3 build which I use for playtesting until the new allocator receives a bit more testing, I guess 20081204 01:36:52 Is -O3 noticably faster? 20081204 01:38:07 haven't tested it against -O2 20081204 01:38:38 but against -O0 , well, in a scenario where I hardly get 15 FPS, I can get around 50 with -O3 20081204 01:39:09 I meant against -O2 20081204 01:39:16 and I didn't notice any unstability with GCC 4.2.1. Then again, I recently switched to 4.3 20081204 01:39:19 ah 20081204 01:40:17 shadowmaster * r31254 /trunk/players_changelog: * Add a missing new line 20081204 01:40:35 Some say that -O3 doesn't provide enough performance improvements to justify increased code size.. 20081204 01:40:55 shadowmaster * r31255 /trunk/changelog: * Mention Sirp's allocator in changelog 20081204 01:40:57 I guess code size isn't an issue for me 20081204 01:41:08 ^ first commits thru git, woo 20081204 01:42:28 whihich one is correct "have been asleep", or "have been aslept"? 20081204 01:43:07 have been asleep 20081204 01:43:35 okay, this is something I was never taught or never learned :) 20081204 01:44:00 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 01:44:28 AFAICT asleep is an adverb, not a verb.. 20081204 01:44:46 Sirp_: btw, I stated in the changelog that the new allocator gives around 5-10% savings in memory consumption. Is this right? 20081204 01:45:08 on 64-bit systems. 20081204 01:45:30 For me it's only 123Mb instead of 126Mb 20081204 01:48:31 shadowmaster * r31256 /trunk/changelog: * Correct memory saving statement in earlier commit 20081204 01:48:49 shadowmaster * r31257 /trunk/data/core/terrain.cfg: * Ran wmlindent on single file 20081204 01:49:05 shadowmaster * r31258 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/utils/abilities.cfg: 20081204 01:49:05 * Fixed bogus textdomain. This is a STRING-FREEZE BREAKING commit, 20081204 01:49:05 * however it is necessary to get the strings in the correct textdomain. 20081204 01:50:08 it seems zookeeper introduced that file? 20081204 01:55:00 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.246.148] has quit ["Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"] 20081204 01:55:36 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.246.148] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081204 02:00:15 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081204 02:02:20 -!- fendrin_ [n=fabi@e179201116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 02:16:53 -!- fendrin [n=fabi@g226131254.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081204 02:39:12 well, it sucks, but "prosilver" is the only forum skin that doesn't suffer from iceweasel's wackiness 20081204 02:39:23 -!- Elvish_Pillage2 [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! I'm a quit message virus vaccine. 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I am almost done with restoring my campaign back to complete sanity. 20081204 08:44:13 :) 20081204 08:45:47 But it will be a while before I expose its existence on the forums. 20081204 09:12:46 -!- Sirp [n=user@c-76-102-104-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit ["leaving"] 20081204 09:27:24 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-jklgw4-fe9ff800-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 09:27:43 Hello zookeeper. 20081204 09:30:14 hello 20081204 09:31:55 Well... I have to wake up in two hours and thirty minutes. 20081204 09:32:06 But BfW is more important. 20081204 09:33:06 indeed 20081204 09:33:16 zookeeper * r31260 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/utils/abilities.cfg: Fixed textdomains: the ability macros belong to wesnoth, special notes to wesnoth-utbs. 20081204 09:34:02 (btw, i don't think the custom special notes are even needed...it's not like there's dehydration in more than one scenario, and there it's explained to the player separately anyway) 20081204 09:34:50 I agree. 20081204 09:57:43 -!- fendrin_ [n=fabi@e179201116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081204 10:13:39 mordante: I finally declare my campaign sane. 20081204 10:13:50 :) 20081204 10:49:43 -!- loonybot [n=loonybot@79.139.246.148] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 10:50:02 -!- loonycyborg [n=sergey@79.139.246.148] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 10:51:33 Hello loonycyborg. 20081204 10:51:47 hi 20081204 10:52:17 Well... I finally restored TSL's sanity. 20081204 10:52:22 So I am happy. 20081204 10:52:47 Congrats :) 20081204 10:53:34 Now that I restored its sanity and dropped support for the stable branch... it should be smooth sailing from here. 20081204 10:55:16 Oh no... ostensibly, there is a new scourge to hunt before committing... 20081204 11:04:15 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 20081204 11:06:19 Heh, and I need to wake up in an hour. 20081204 11:10:13 well the good thing is that you're already awake ;) 20081204 11:10:35 -!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 11:11:12 * Espreon_ is not going to bed. 20081204 11:11:26 Watching the commits channel is fun... 20081204 11:11:27 see problem solved :) 20081204 11:11:39 Indeed. 20081204 11:11:59 commits chan of cia? 20081204 11:11:59 BfW is more important than sleep. 20081204 11:12:04 Yes. 20081204 11:16:26 indeed you have to set your priorities 20081204 11:16:59 * mordante wonders how soon somebody loses his/her sanity while watching the commit chan 20081204 11:17:18 Probably less than five minutes. 20081204 11:17:51 how long did you watch ? 20081204 11:18:48 Maybe ten. 20081204 11:18:59 I got bored afterwards. 20081204 11:20:11 Yeah... about ten minutes. 20081204 11:20:55 * Espreon_ is mainly crepuscular/nocturnal. 20081204 11:21:26 * mordante fears Espreon_ did loose his sanity ;) 20081204 11:21:43 What... when I was eight? 20081204 11:22:19 I began being crepuscular/nocturnal around eight. 20081204 11:22:25 not sure when, but being sane for eight years can be a gift ;) 20081204 11:22:50 The thought of being diurnal is not pleasant. 20081204 11:24:19 mordante, are you crepuscular/nocturnal? 20081204 11:27:09 I guess he is not. 20081204 11:28:01 nah just busy ;) 20081204 11:28:17 So you are? 20081204 11:28:52 yep 20081204 11:29:05 Yay! 20081204 11:29:07 but I don't really have a favourite time of day 20081204 11:29:17 I'm neutral 20081204 11:29:41 You do know what crepuscular means... right? 20081204 11:31:12 yes 20081204 11:31:42 why? 20081204 11:32:55 In my experiences not too many people are familiar with that word... so I was curious. 20081204 11:33:40 I'm no native speaker, but I know how to use a dictonairy ;) 20081204 11:34:14 What is your native language? 20081204 11:34:23 Dutch 20081204 11:35:35 Ah. 20081204 11:35:56 Yo deseo un pastel. 20081204 11:36:10 ? 20081204 11:36:18 "I desire a cake." 20081204 11:36:48 and which language? 20081204 11:36:53 Spanish. 20081204 11:37:49 Please note that pastel can refer to cake, pie or a pastry. 20081204 11:43:04 Patterner: Run svn up on your copy of TSL. 20081204 11:43:08 Whoops 20081204 11:48:38 gotta go bye 20081204 11:48:56 Good bye. 20081204 11:49:06 -!- mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]"] 20081204 11:55:08 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 12:15:39 -!- Espreon_ [n=Espreon@c-76-117-239-33.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]"] 20081204 12:36:54 -!- zookeeper2 [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe9ff800-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 12:37:12 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-jklgw4-fe9ff800-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20081204 12:37:26 -!- zookeeper2 is now known as zookeeper 20081204 12:40:18 -!- ABCD [n=ABCD@pool-173-71-216-45.clppva.fios.verizon.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 12:56:39 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe9ff800-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20081204 12:59:22 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has quit ["Hi! 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AFAIK atm for example [/specials] [/attack] [event][/event] [+specials] wouldn't work, because you've closed [attack] just prior. 20081204 14:12:49 nor would [/specials] [/attack] [event][/event] [+attack] [+specials] 20081204 14:14:06 actually i don't care which one should be the one to work, or whether both should 20081204 14:14:15 yeah, I think it should work too ;) 20081204 14:14:17 i just feel there should be some way of doing that 20081204 14:15:36 your first example could be problematic I think 20081204 14:16:20 the second way looks better 20081204 14:17:24 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit ["On the road again"] 20081204 14:17:36 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 14:18:24 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20081204 14:18:38 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 14:19:01 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20081204 14:34:25 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 14:37:53 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has quit [Client Quit] 20081204 14:38:13 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 14:38:24 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit [Client Quit] 20081204 14:39:11 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 14:45:09 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 14:45:34 -!- JonJon [i=hidden-u@mail2.hoforsnet.se] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081204 15:15:17 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit ["On the road again"] 20081204 15:15:49 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 15:30:11 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.uni-dortmund.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081204 15:30:49 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 16:00:16 -!- Sapient is now known as Hodor 20081204 16:06:21 of all possible solutions to the gigantic FF fonts, it turns out that the correct one was restarting the X server 20081204 16:10:05 and I'm using the latest xorg packages available for lenny. hmmm 20081204 16:12:17 -!- kthakore2 [n=kthakore@CPE001310a1899c-CM001868e2ad12.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 16:12:19 Rhonda: nice to see your logs back :) 20081204 16:21:30 shadowmaster * r31261 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog src/game.cpp): 20081204 16:21:30 * The map editor is started automatically if the game binary used 20081204 16:21:30 * contains "editor" somewhere in its name (useful for symlinks). 20081204 16:21:45 shadowmaster * r31262 /trunk/data/multiplayer/_main.cfg: 20081204 16:21:45 * Remove useless {~scenarios/multiplayer} include. 20081204 16:21:45 UMC MP scenarios are supposed to be located at ~campaigns/ 20081204 16:21:45 with the rest in order to work properly and be uploadable, 20081204 16:21:47 anyway. 20081204 16:24:17 anyone knows what would be a good strategy for recruiting translators for an one-man-and-a-half team btw? 20081204 16:25:45 Taking their loved ones hostages :) 20081204 16:33:27 -!- Shadow_Master [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has quit ["Battle for Wesnoth [www.wesnoth.org]"] 20081204 16:34:07 -!- irm [n=shadowm@190.22.99.133] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 16:34:14 -!- fendrin [n=fabi@e179201116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 16:35:01 -!- irm [n=shadowm@190.22.99.133] has quit [Client Quit] 20081204 16:39:09 -!- kthakore2 [n=kthakore@CPE001310a1899c-CM001868e2ad12.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 20081204 16:39:42 -!- Shadow_Master [n=shadowm@unaffiliated/shadowmaster/x-275924] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 16:44:33 Shadow_Master: Getting people interested in what you do would do the trick. 20081204 16:45:25 and how can I do that, besides making progress in the translation? 20081204 16:45:54 Making progress in the original project :) 20081204 16:46:08 fendrin * r31263 /trunk/data/core/macros/side-utils.cfg: Added a macro that assigns all villages on the map to a specified side. 20081204 16:46:09 what is the original project, again? 20081204 16:46:20 ahhh, something called "Wesnoth". what is it? 20081204 16:46:28 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-167-205.vinita.lt] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 16:48:13 Wesnoth is no longer "one-man-and-a-half team" project.. 20081204 16:48:56 the "one-man-and-a-half team" is the Spanish translations team. It's me and one inactive translator 20081204 16:49:23 and, looking at the sheer amount of untranslatefd strings, ... brrr 20081204 16:50:45 If I knew how to do this, I'd take the position of Russian translation maintainer :) 20081204 16:51:17 Ivanovic can teach you. 20081204 16:51:37 How is the state of the German translation? 20081204 16:52:12 I guess it's good. the french and german teams are easily the most productive ones :p 20081204 16:52:48 Significat part of developers seems to be french and germans too.. 20081204 16:52:51 http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/?version=trunk&package=alloff 20081204 16:55:10 * Ivanovic is currently away... 20081204 16:55:12 ;) 20081204 16:55:31 but i think i just had a request from someone who wanted to become maintainer of the russian translation 20081204 16:57:55 * Shadow_Master targets AOI 20081204 16:59:21 "Elves, previously in uneasy balance with dwarves and others, had for centuries fought nothing more than an occasional skirmish." <- who are 'others'? 20081204 17:06:10 Shadow_Master: are you doing the hunter line for iftu yourself? 20081204 17:10:39 could you rephrase for me? :( 20081204 17:10:47 (define "do") 20081204 17:12:25 are you the artist? 20081204 17:12:47 hodor hodor hodor 20081204 17:13:08 -!- Hodor is now known as Sapient 20081204 17:13:48 later 20081204 17:13:51 -!- Sapient [n=patrickp@agentek.com] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081204 17:14:23 ... yes. 20081204 17:14:36 I did not kidnap zookeeper or Jetryl (although I tried to) 20081204 17:16:20 Shadow_Master: can you do a recolour for usage in utbs to them? 20081204 17:19:46 give me 2 months (I have higher priorities atm) 20081204 17:22:25 cool 20081204 17:23:35 it'd be easier if you convince someone else to do them. Espreon is perfectly capable of recolors 20081204 17:23:53 it should be just matter of doing a "palette switch", if you know what that means 20081204 17:24:11 Shadow_Master: I'm going to convince him. 20081204 17:41:30 #: data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/2_Assassins.cfg:171 20081204 17:41:40 extra white space in translatable string. zookeeper, ESR_, Ivanovic 20081204 17:41:48 fendrin * r31264 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/North_elves_utils.cfg: fixed bug #12667 20081204 17:42:46 sorry, i am currently busy with some uni stuff 20081204 17:45:12 should I break the stringfreeze for the trailing single whitespace? 20081204 17:45:23 (and break my translation, purrr) 20081204 17:56:08 loonycyborg: is "My documetns\\My games" translated in windows? 20081204 17:56:59 also, check the correctness of #: ../../doc/man/wesnoth.6:57 , I see a "\\eMy Games", not sure if that is a roff thing 20081204 18:07:05 Shadow_Master, err, i'm pretty sure you're a better sprite artist than me 20081204 18:13:34 you're kidding me. I'd never got that battle princess right 20081204 18:19:53 i hope you realize i mostly frankensteined it from other people's work and jetryl applied the finishing touches :p 20081204 18:20:36 what about the animations? 20081204 18:21:05 oh, well, i did those. but animating is much easier 20081204 18:21:24 well, I fail at animating 20081204 18:27:10 funny, if I keep ESC pressed for more than, like 10 milliseconds to exit a dialog from the main menu, the ESC key affects the main menu too and the game exits 20081204 18:27:38 it seems the key buffer/log/whatever isn't cleared properly after closing a dialog. mordante, what do you think? 20081204 18:29:32 -!- EdB [n=EdB@79.82.153.174] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 18:30:20 Sirp__: I'm getting lots of "ERROR, wrong thread!" in trunk 20081204 18:30:33 IIUC, this means that there are threads trying to free memory not allocated by them 20081204 18:38:18 -!- EdB [n=EdB@79.82.153.174] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20081204 18:39:31 -!- EdB [n=EdB@79.82.153.174] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 18:46:21 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d83bd6b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 18:53:20 wesbot: seen DDR 20081204 18:53:20 Shadow_Master: The person with the nick DDR last spoke 4d 15h ago. 11h 1m ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 20081204 18:56:58 wesbot: seen Baufo 20081204 18:56:58 Shadow_Master: The person with the nick Baufo 10d 22h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-de with the message: "Leaving" 20081204 19:00:30 Shadow_Master: right. That's what it means. I have to add handling for that. 20081204 19:00:41 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081204 19:01:25 does this cause important problems, or is it just fine since pools are freed all at once for the OS? 20081204 19:01:34 *chunks from the pool 20081204 19:03:10 Shadow_Master: Wikipedia page says that My Games is just a convention, so it's unlikely to be translated.. 20081204 19:04:15 why I don't have such a dir in winvista? 20081204 19:04:36 I instead have a /win/vista/Users/Ignacio/Saved\ Gmaes dir 20081204 19:04:41 Because you don't have games that use that convention installed. 20081204 19:04:53 this dir was created by a amicrosoft game 20081204 19:05:52 it also has a Localized Resource Name entry in desktop.ini, so I'd assume *This* is the convention 20081204 19:06:25 I have "Civ4", "GalCiv2" and "Heroes of Might and Magic V" in My Document\My Games 20081204 19:07:01 Though NWN2 creates a dir right in My Documents.. 20081204 19:07:18 it seems that Microsoft has a different idea to software publishers of what convention is the right one 20081204 19:07:38 not surprising btw 20081204 19:07:51 Shadow_Master: it causes a memory leak. 20081204 19:08:00 Sirp__: oh noes :( 20081204 19:08:13 loonycyborg: can you direct me to the wiki page in question? 20081204 19:13:36 -!- Mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 19:13:45 -!- EdB [n=EdB@79.82.153.174] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20081204 19:13:49 hi 20081204 19:14:34 hi Mordante you have a message in the log 20081204 19:14:52 hi Shadow_Master 20081204 19:16:43 shadowmaster * r31265 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/09_Fallen_Lich_Point.cfg: * Don't scroll to Lich-Lord Caror on side 4 turn until he is unstoned. 20081204 19:18:32 Shadow_Master which dialogs do that, the new or the old or both? 20081204 19:19:04 both 20081204 19:22:58 interesting that people seem ot have problems with LoW 2. I always found that scenario piece of cake, compared to others 20081204 19:24:13 -!- stikonas [n=and@ctv-79-132-167-205.vinita.lt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20081204 19:24:46 doesn't happen for me :/ 20081204 19:25:05 1. enter the campaigns menu. 2. Hold ESC pressed. 20081204 19:25:46 and compare to 1. enter preferences. 2. click on Hello! 20081204 19:26:25 hi 20081204 19:26:42 I have a question to compile wesnoth. 20081204 19:27:59 it's faster to ask the question right away :) 20081204 19:28:13 hi McShark 20081204 19:28:32 There is a problem for me with missing init_custom_malloc. If I add poolalloc.c to compile list there are different problems about missing libraries. Is there an option to disable the new memory allocation? 20081204 19:28:44 are you using windows? 20081204 19:29:07 you may need the win32 implementation of the POSIX threads library, but yes, you may disable the new allocator 20081204 19:29:20 McShark do svn up, there the new code is ifndef'ed by default 20081204 19:29:46 Mordante: um.? #ifndef DISABLE_POOL_ALLOC 20081204 19:30:18 No, I have a recent SVN and did a rebuild. 20081204 19:30:35 you may want to #define DISABLE_POOL_ALLO 20081204 19:30:37 C 20081204 19:31:15 ah yes of course it's enabled by default :/ 20081204 19:31:51 (why am I mixing pthreads-win32 with this ?) 20081204 19:33:06 http://sourceware.org/pthreads-win32/ does not contaion the necessary files 20081204 19:33:18 shadowmaster * r31266 /trunk/src/poolalloc.c: * Add Id line and set correct SVN properties for src/poolalloc.c 20081204 19:34:17 I said just #define DISABLE_POOL_ALLOC, I don't know why I put pthreads in the discussion in the first place 20081204 19:36:06 shadowmaster * r31267 /trunk/src/malloc.c: * Add Id line and set correct SVN properties for src/malloc.c 20081204 19:37:11 -!- EdB [n=EdB@174.153.82-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 19:45:00 What would be the gain if we add all necessary libraries needed for compiling wesnoth without DISABLE_POOL_ALLOC? 20081204 19:46:26 Sirp__ added a new malloc which seems to save 5-10% memory on 64-bit systems 20081204 19:46:53 but the method used seems not to be portable to Windows 20081204 19:47:07 Sounds good. No difference for 32-Bit Unix? 20081204 19:47:54 Mordante uses a 32-bit UNIX-like operating system. 20081204 19:49:23 I haven't tested much yet but I recalled hearing around 3% 20081204 19:51:22 I'd like you to teach me how to listen to the awesome sounds of my RAM chips 20081204 19:51:34 For WIN DISABLE_POOL_ALLOC did the trick, a rebuild worked fine. I'll add the recent project files to forum, so that loonycyborg can update them in SVN. 20081204 19:51:41 Mordante: actually I think it should be portable to Windows. 20081204 19:51:48 Mordante: we might just need a little work on it. 20081204 19:52:27 Sirp__: are all sounds and graphics in frogatto redistributable under the terms of the GNU GPL v2+ :)? 20081204 19:52:54 McShark better wait I'll add a new file in about half an hour ;) 20081204 19:53:07 Sirp__ nice :) 20081204 19:54:05 Shadow_Master: we haven't worked out the final license for sounds and graphics from frogatto. 20081204 19:54:15 oh 20081204 19:54:25 Shadow_Master: you can count on the code all being GPL, but I wouldn't count on the artwork necessarily being GPL. 20081204 19:54:39 okay 20081204 20:03:52 Shadow_Master, what if you defeat both orc leaders before unstoning caror :P? 20081204 20:04:14 If I want to add an icon for wesnoth server, whom should I ask for / where should I post it? 20081204 20:04:16 ah, nothing 20081204 20:04:32 zookeeper: victory_when_enemies_defeated=no 20081204 20:04:36 yup 20081204 20:05:37 McShark the new file is in (of course it would be nice if some bot showed it here) 20081204 20:05:50 -!- mjs-de [n=mjs-de@vpw.wh.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 20:09:09 is there anything like" search within topic" in the forums? 20081204 20:10:01 -!- YogiHH [i=YogiHH@d029222.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 20:10:07 hello everyone 20081204 20:10:09 -!- grrrX [n=_@p57BBFA64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 20:10:21 Mordante, you there? 20081204 20:10:28 YogiHH: did you apply your fix to replays in 1.4.x to trunk? :) ( hello) 20081204 20:10:30 Hi Yoghi, Mordante is in. 20081204 20:10:49 See you all soon for questions about Intel/AMD optimisation. Bye! 20081204 20:11:00 by McShark hi YogiHH 20081204 20:11:03 bye* 20081204 20:11:04 Shadow_Master: No, it turned out that compiling on windows has become quite a challenge (again) :/ 20081204 20:11:34 :( 20081204 20:11:36 Mordante: can you check one thing for me, please? 20081204 20:12:21 YogiHH: sorry, is that my fault? 20081204 20:12:48 -!- McShark [n=Simon_So@drsd-4db3461d.pool.einsundeins.de] has left #wesnoth-dev [] 20081204 20:12:55 I'd bet it is all our fault 20081204 20:12:58 Sirp__: probably, poolalloc.c is giving me some headaches here ;-) 20081204 20:13:27 oh :D you can just exclude it from build and use a #define DISABLE_POOL_ALLOC though 20081204 20:13:46 Mordante: copy_policy.hpp, line 172 goes like this: 20081204 20:13:53 typedef typename tcopy_policy::rhs_type rhs_type; 20081204 20:14:03 but is supposed to be this, i guess: 20081204 20:14:04 typedef typename tcopy_policy::type rhs_type; 20081204 20:15:19 let me check 20081204 20:15:23 Shadow_Master: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Documents 20081204 20:15:51 YogiHH: I will try to make it more portable..... :) 20081204 20:16:05 yep :-) 20081204 20:16:13 tried to use Shadow_Master as protocol 20081204 20:16:27 Strangely, it says that this convention is used especially by Microsoft Game Studios games. 20081204 20:17:11 loonycyborg: do you realize that all this article is talking about versions prior to vista? 20081204 20:17:31 "On Microsoft Windows operating systems prior to Vista, My Documents is blahblah" 20081204 20:17:40 and it wasn't introduced in Win95 OSR2, but in OSR2.5 20081204 20:18:00 I guess it's renamed in Vista 20081204 20:18:04 .... reminds me wh I stay away from these wikipedia articles 20081204 20:18:33 loonycyborg: look parapgraph 3 in overview 20081204 20:19:30 Most likely special folder id 5 resolves to Documents on Vista then.. 20081204 20:19:33 the SPecial_Folders article also speaks of pre-6.0 Windows. 20081204 20:20:13 YogiHH why do you think it should be changed? 20081204 20:21:21 Mordante: because vc++ express was giving me strange error messages about that which disappeared when i used "::type" instead of "::rhs_type" 20081204 20:21:43 typename missing? 20081204 20:21:46 Mordante: On the other hand i just tried Code::Blocks and it still does not get along with this 20081204 20:21:48 can you paste the error? 20081204 20:21:50 Shadow_Master: It will use cwd if SpecialFolderBlah function can't be loaded. 20081204 20:22:02 meant the keyword, not the concept, btw 20081204 20:22:05 Mordante: will you understand it in german? 20081204 20:22:47 loonycyborg: well, I can't read MSDN's site for now since it is way too heavy for me and I'm downloading a DRI library right now ;) 20081204 20:22:49 no problem to paste the German version 20081204 20:23:15 not sure I understand it, but that might not be caused by the German ;) 20081204 20:23:59 hehe 20081204 20:24:10 Shadow_Master: Btw next time you'll be booting with vista, you could try to test what --config-dir option will do there.. 20081204 20:24:21 Mordante: it's too messages, the first is not very informative but points to the line causing the problem 20081204 20:24:27 copy_policy.hpp(183) : fatal error C1001: Interner Compilerfehler. 20081204 20:24:45 copy_policy.hpp(205): Siehe Verweis auf die Instanziierung der gerade kompilierten Klassen-template "policies::tcopy_policy". 20081204 20:25:04 loonycyborg: I don't find myself rebooting to Vista and downloading wesnoth for vista (even a snapshot) in the foreseeable future :) I'm too happy with Debian to use that thing 20081204 20:25:06 YogiHH: Internal compiler errors are compiler bugs. 20081204 20:25:54 Shadow_Master: I'm not planning to upgrade my XP partition to Vista in the foreseeable future either. 20081204 20:26:16 :) 20081204 20:26:20 Mordante: it goes like "reference on instantiation of the class template "policies..." that is compiled atm 20081204 20:26:49 yes I understood the German, just typed make to test a patch 20081204 20:26:55 reminds me I stumbled upon a n internal compiler error with G++ 4.3 plus some agressive optimizations 20081204 20:27:00 and it obviously refers to the rhs_type variable in line 182 20081204 20:27:21 are the more Cxxxx numbers in the output? 20081204 20:27:29 Mordante: nope 20081204 20:28:26 Mordante: i noticed that all the other class templates are using "::type" in the typedef, so i thought that might be the problem 20081204 20:29:02 YogiHH can you test this untested patch? http://paste.debian.net/22881/ 20081204 20:29:09 mhm 20081204 20:34:25 I see I forgot to rename the first rhs_type on line 171 20081204 20:36:52 Mordante: works for vc++, checking Code::Blocks now 20081204 20:37:45 Mordante: nice, that did it 20081204 20:38:04 ok now I need to think of a clean fix 20081204 20:38:20 but it seems MSVC gets confused by the types named the same 20081204 20:38:46 which ms vc++ version btw? 20081204 20:39:50 * loonycyborg is annoyed that someone takes seriously a compiler that routinely crashes on complex C++ code 20081204 20:40:50 Shadow_Master: vc++ express 2008 20081204 20:41:31 loonycyborg: don't all compilers crash on sufficiently complex C++ code? :) 20081204 20:42:04 actually admittedly, VC++ 6 was particularly bad. 20081204 20:42:42 Sirp__: Judging by workarounds in boost::graph examples mostly MSVC does. 20081204 20:42:56 just read the boost changelog! 20081204 20:43:30 it's not just one library! it is a WHOLE SET of workarounds for the price of one! limited offer! 20081204 20:44:24 (I thought I had all my source code dirs clean after installing GCC 4.3...) 20081204 20:47:35 Sirp__: Getting rid of mmap in poolalloc.c will help enormously in porting to windows. 20081204 20:48:00 loonycyborg: so did you work out why it's segfaulting when you use dlmalloc instead? 20081204 20:48:47 Sirp__: No. I'm not very versed in memory management stuff. 20081204 20:49:32 loonycyborg: no problem; I'll see if I can reproduce on my machine and if I can I should be able to fix. 20081204 20:49:56 The only idea that comes to me is that dlmalloc and mmap allocate different amounts of memory for same number of bytes.. 20081204 20:50:59 Shadow_Master: lol, you feel old? What shall i say? ;-) 20081204 20:51:05 :) 20081204 20:51:38 Perhaps they take memory amount in different units.. 20081204 20:54:42 loonycyborg: well I'd send to think it's related to how mmap always allocates on page boundaries, while dlmalloc only on word boundaries 20081204 20:54:50 I had code to deal with this, but maybe it's bugged. :-/ 20081204 20:55:39 YogiHH I just commited a fix 20081204 20:55:40 is there any good book on this low-level memory management stuff in C (I don't mind if it's non-free)? 20081204 20:56:04 Mordante: ok, thanks 20081204 20:56:24 no problem 20081204 20:57:27 Shadow_Master: not afaik, though I do recommend reading Doug Lea's article on his design of dlmalloc, as well as the low level stuff explaining the implementation of boost pools. 20081204 20:57:46 (my allocator has a very similar design to boost pools, btw) 20081204 20:58:23 Shadow_Master: Just read comments in dlmalloc.c :) 20081204 20:58:46 *malloc.c 20081204 20:59:12 -!- isaac [n=isaac@debian/developer/isaac] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081204 21:01:21 Shadow_Master Andrei Alexandrescu wrote something about it in "Modern C++ Design" 20081204 21:01:53 but the book is mainly about template metaprogramming 20081204 21:02:19 That book is about perverse C++ :) 20081204 21:02:44 yeah :P keep it way from c++-despisers 20081204 21:04:10 I won't recommend it to ESR_ ;) 20081204 21:04:22 :-) 20081204 21:04:38 unless he wants more ammo for his C++ hate paper ;) 20081204 21:04:42 Alexandrescu uses C++ in ways Stroustrup never seen in his worst nightmares :) 20081204 21:04:57 I doubt it would cause me despise C++ any ore than I do already. 20081204 21:05:08 it will 20081204 21:05:37 WML can also be used in ways Sirp__ never imagined 20081204 21:06:02 well I like the book, really gives a lot of insights about what's possible with C++ 20081204 21:06:28 template metaprogramming is really very powerful 20081204 21:06:49 * loonycyborg is really horrified by type lists 20081204 21:08:39 -!- isaac [n=isaac@debian/developer/isaac] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 21:09:54 well the stuff is quite complex, but you can do really nice things with it 20081204 21:10:14 BOOST_FOREACH :) 20081204 21:10:41 well boost uses a lot of template metaprogramming 20081204 21:10:52 * ESR_ susoect that Mordabte is using the word "nice" to mean "cjever, but so horribly complex it's actually unmaintainable". 20081204 21:11:17 it's actually maintainable if you know what's going on (i.e. if you learn some of that advanced stufF) 20081204 21:11:51 ESR_ depends you can also do nice things with assembler 20081204 21:11:57 But what's going on is totally unlike what it looks like :) 20081204 21:12:13 you only need to have a developer who understands how it works 20081204 21:13:09 it only seems most C++ developers are not really intimate with templates 20081204 21:13:29 (at least not in writing them) 20081204 21:13:52 * loonycyborg hopes that inventions like typelists will make it to core language as features. 20081204 21:13:55 and those libraries are al fine if you understand how to use them. you don't have to maintain them. ou wouldn't maintain the Python interpreter for just writing a small text processor with it, for instance 20081204 21:14:21 Otherwise they're really huge hacks. 20081204 21:14:24 Shadow_Master yes and most C++ developers seem to be able to use them 20081204 21:15:10 not sure whether typelists are on the C++-0x list 20081204 21:16:05 I don't remember whether concepts are among Alexandrescu techniques too.. 20081204 21:16:15 But they're in C++-0x 20081204 21:16:41 And should really help make error messages less hairy.. 20081204 21:17:13 yes I look forward to that 20081204 21:18:51 * Mordante wonders how long it will take for all compilers to support C++-0x once it's finalized 20081204 21:19:01 ESR_: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=22447 See point 4 of the last post. :-) 20081204 21:20:21 haha, IftU has the same problem :) 20081204 21:20:35 fendrin: Hmmm...Maybe I should have done a complete end-to-end rewrite rather than patching. 20081204 21:20:43 Mordante: AFAIK there's already some support for concepts in gcc 4.3 20081204 21:23:31 hrrmpf, if my laptop blows off one day, it will be from an overheated harddisk because of constant swapping :/ 20081204 21:24:26 YogiHH: Why not just install more memory on it? 20081204 21:24:45 loonycyborg yes gcc already has some support, but a lot of things can't be used until most of the mainline compiler support it 20081204 21:24:48 afaik there's already some support for concepts in gcc 4.0 :o 20081204 21:25:01 but thre's the issue of portability 20081204 21:25:18 loonycyborg: This one's quite old, i am not sure it can deal with more than 512 MB 20081204 21:25:57 my machine luckily doesn't swap with its 512 MB :) 20081204 21:26:15 Shadow_Master: Mordante: The point is that since concept check are already in it shouldn't be very hard to make them fully compliant once the standard is finalized. 20081204 21:26:22 and mine ñlikes to swap with 1024-64 MB 20081204 21:27:20 -!- EdB [n=EdB@174.153.82-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 20081204 21:27:28 * Shadow_Master goes to have a late lunch because he can't even do that properly :D 20081204 21:27:32 loonycyborg yes concepts are easy to enable in the standard lib, but not that easy in your own code until more compilers support it 20081204 21:28:25 Weird.. Less than 50% of my 1.5Gb memory is used even though wesnoth is compiling and firefox with 15 tabs is open.. 20081204 21:29:16 -!- boucman [n=rosen@159.83.102-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 21:29:20 it swaps like crazy here, specially when archiving the static libraries for the debug builds 20081204 21:29:45 Ah. I'm mostly using release builds. 20081204 21:30:26 Indeed, debug objects, libs and binaries are huge.. 20081204 21:31:03 unfortunately I need to be prepared for the occassional crash :) 20081204 21:34:06 Shadow_Master: I don't think that you're getting swapping when archiving debug libs. It's just normal disk i/o when it moves huge objects with debug symbols :) 20081204 21:41:32 -!- Ulthuan [n=fredrik@81-234-91-123-o286.telia.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 21:45:50 Mordante: I'm still wondering how long it will take all C++ compilers to support C++98. ;) 20081204 21:46:09 also I think we can now go ahead and call it C++09, right? Or decide that it's going to be C++1X 20081204 21:46:43 Sirp__ yes that's why I wonder how long it will take 20081204 21:47:05 well some people already joked about C++-0A 20081204 21:49:09 :) 20081204 21:52:50 Are all .deps sub-directories supposed to be owned by root in the source? I am having trouble compiling. 20081204 21:53:15 did you ever compile as root? 20081204 21:53:24 I would prefer not to 20081204 21:53:34 Just rm them. 20081204 21:53:50 They're autogenerated. 20081204 21:53:52 kk 20081204 21:53:54 I understand that, but did you ever compile as root? 20081204 21:54:17 I assume that caused them to be created with root as owner 20081204 21:54:20 nope, started changing owner of them instead. But there seems to be quite a few 20081204 21:54:46 -!- Elvish_Pillager [n=eli@66-189-15-130.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 21:55:06 Hm.. campaignd is consuming 100% of cpu time again(on the server) 20081204 22:10:39 -!- governor [n=governor@74.12.189.30] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081204 22:12:47 night 20081204 22:13:31 -!- grzywacz [n=grzywacz@moinmoin/developer/karol] has quit [":wq"] 20081204 22:13:39 -!- Mordante [n=chatzill@roadie.xs4all.nl] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Iceweasel 3.0.3/2008092816]"] 20081204 23:00:06 -!- YogiHH [i=YogiHH@d029222.adsl.hansenet.de] has quit ["Verlassend"] 20081204 23:06:22 -!- zookeeper [n=l@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe9ff800-215.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20081204 23:29:05 -!- yann [n=dwitch@nan92-1-81-57-214-146.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20081204 23:30:30 -!- igel [n=igel@port-92-195-252-94.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev 20081204 23:30:33 hi 20081204 23:30:41 i want to file a bugreport ;) 20081204 23:30:51 is there some url for that? 20081204 23:31:36 bugs.wesnoth.org 20081204 23:31:45 and besides, i really like the game, good work! 20081204 23:31:58 but please try to follow this guireline: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/ReportingBugs 20081204 23:34:02 thanks, i'll try 20081204 23:39:48 [x] done 20081204 23:39:48 https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12685 20081204 23:39:59 wesbot: bug 12685 20081204 23:40:00 Bug #12685 Assigned to: None Status: None Priority: 5 - Normal 20081204 23:40:00 Summary: Bat breaks throgh the ice in DID campaign 20081204 23:40:00 Original submission: When playing the "The Beginning of the Revenge" level of 20081204 23:40:03 the "Descent into Darkness" campaign, a bat broke through the ice in the middle 20081204 23:40:06 URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?12685 20081204 23:40:11 that again? 20081204 23:40:58 -!- miq [n=miq@krlh-5d83bd6b.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081204 23:43:24 -!- Ulthuan [n=fredrik@81-234-91-123-o286.telia.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081204 23:48:58 hmmm it's strange....we seem to have had many more downloads of the latest dev version for Windows, but the stats collection seems to get very few hits from Windows. 20081204 23:50:29 lovely... 20081204 23:50:50 * Ivanovic gives sf.net a huge hug for their stats system 20081204 23:51:00 Sirp__: I still believe that this is caused by firewalls. 20081204 23:51:27 it seems strange to me that it'd be caused by firewalls......do most Windows firewalls really block applications using outgoing port 80? 20081204 23:51:35 remember most of our users will use Windows XP, not Windows Vista 20081204 23:52:01 and if it is blocked, wouldn't they also be blocked from going to the mp server? 20081204 23:52:36 or from downloading add-ons... 20081204 23:52:38 and so forth... 20081204 23:52:44 All port 80? 20081204 23:52:47 unless it blocks port 80 but not those higher ports... 20081204 23:53:03 fendrin: what we do is send an HTTP POST request to a web page 20081204 23:53:26 that's how the data is sent to our server, on the premise that that is the least likely method to be blocked by a firewall. 20081204 23:53:40 Sirp__: IIRC it works on per-application, not per-port basis. 20081204 23:54:12 loonycyborg: that is for the software firewalls that are installed external 20081204 23:54:26 I remember that I had to whitelist kvirc in firewall before it could connect to 'net 20081204 23:54:34 though i have no idea about the default windows firewall how this one works 20081204 23:54:42 And it was deafult, bundled firewall. 20081204 23:54:48 *default 20081204 23:55:46 loonycyborg: right. so the user would get a pop up saying "Wesnoth wants to connect to the Internet, blah blah blah" right and the user would have to say "yes this is fine"? 20081204 23:55:59 igel: fixed 20081204 23:56:27 Sirp__: the windows firewall is *different* 20081204 23:56:43 * Sirp__ wonders if the windows firewall is *more* likely to block port 80 than a higher port like 15000 20081204 23:56:47 that is: no idea if it really gives you a popup or just silently throws the packages away 20081204 23:57:01 Ivanovic: it is liable to pick one at random =/ 20081204 23:57:01 it seems to not block ports at all 20081204 23:57:12 it just blocks *programs* 20081204 23:57:16 * AI0867 kicks CIA-8 20081204 23:57:17 ow 20081204 23:57:19 so either all or none from a program get through 20081204 23:57:36 AI0867: that was quick :) 20081204 23:57:37 thanks 20081204 23:57:45 igel: sometimes we are quick 20081204 23:57:46 ;) 20081204 23:57:53 wesbot: topic 20081204 23:57:55 -!- wesbot changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.4.7 planned for 12.12. | soft stringfreeze for most campaigns: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/TextdomainStatus | 1.6 release plan: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Wesnoth1.6ReleasePlan | 60 bugs, 210 feature requests, 8 patches | logs: http://wesnoth.org/irclogs | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com, or for images: http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add 20081204 23:58:11 bugcounter's really rising =/ 20081204 23:58:21 Ivanovic: but this would mean that users would be unable to connect to the add-on server, right? 20081204 23:58:49 Sirp__: jupp, as well as the mp server --- Log closed Fri Dec 05 00:00:00 2008