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20081213 00:00:48< mordante> I'm off night
20081213 00:00:54< crimson_penguin> goodnight mordante 
20081213 00:00:55< Espreon> Good night.
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20081213 00:07:37< zookeeper> great, the latest build crashes on the MP menu every time.
20081213 00:07:54< Ivanovic> zookeeper: uhm, do you really think that the reef description is important?
20081213 00:08:10< Ivanovic> and the soft freeze just means that spelling and bug fixes are allowed
20081213 00:08:19< Ivanovic> *NOT* that new important strings can be added
20081213 00:09:32< zookeeper> well, then let's not soft freeze. no one knows if we need to add new strings.
20081213 00:10:07< zookeeper> and yeah, i consider it important that we don't have the only new base terrain that's been added remain descriptionless.
20081213 00:11:44< Ivanovic> and when are translators meant to work on the stuff?
20081213 00:11:57< Soliton> oh well, still corrupted replays.
20081213 00:12:07< Ivanovic> Soliton: oh
20081213 00:12:09< Ivanovic> :(
20081213 00:12:11< Ivanovic> but less?
20081213 00:12:23< Ivanovic> or still basically the same as before?
20081213 00:12:38< Soliton> no definately less.
20081213 00:12:48< crimson_penguin> which version are we talking about?
20081213 00:12:58 * crimson_penguin seems to have gotten Python working, he thinks
20081213 00:12:59< Soliton> looks like the AI recruited differently or something.
20081213 00:13:03< zookeeper> Ivanovic, well...when we think we've added everything we want 1.6 to have?
20081213 00:13:13< [Relic]> what is a good linux?  :)   (starting a flame war is so easy with this topic)
20081213 00:13:55< zookeeper> after all, the release should include what we want it to include, instead of the release containing what we have at the time we want to release, no?
20081213 00:14:54< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I used python_ai and got no errors - does this mean python works? or is there more to test?
20081213 00:15:18< Ivanovic> no idea how to test if python really works
20081213 00:17:01< crimson_penguin> :-/ it probably is enough though, because I used the lib folder from the Mac 1.4.6, and that's what made this work, so everything else should work as before as well, I would think
20081213 00:19:33< Soliton> "error replay: unit 'Troll Whelp' is too expensive to recruit: 13/8" that's the first error i get. either the AI is recruiting differently or something's wrong with some gold calculations.
20081213 00:19:42< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31467 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/13_Epilogue.cfg: Made linger mode be skipped and lengthened the final delays a bit.
20081213 00:22:28< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31468 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/scenarios/4_Gathering_Materials.cfg: Made all the enemies fight each other and added a missing user_team_name.
20081213 00:29:43< Soliton> zookeeper: income=10 means a base income of 10 or 12?
20081213 00:29:49< zookeeper> 12
20081213 00:29:56< zookeeper> or at least it should..
20081213 00:30:24< Soliton> yeah, it does.
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20081213 00:47:11< Ivanovic> i am off to bed now, n8
20081213 00:48:09< Espreon> Good night.
20081213 00:48:40< Soliton> played the same scenario again and this time no corrupted replay.
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20081213 02:28:50< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: no, it isn't documented anywhere
20081213 02:29:30< Shadow_Master> and the C++ behind it is so obscure tha not even I know what is going on there :P 
20081213 02:34:03< Shadow_Master>  now that I have udated to the 1.4.7 tag revision, I can finally get rid of the svn checkout...
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20081213 02:42:08< [Relic]> Hello :)
20081213 02:49:39< Espreon> esr: Here?
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20081213 03:34:38< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31469 /trunk/data/campaigns/Liberty/scenarios/01_The_Raid.cfg: Clear a variable.
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20081213 03:41:00< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31470 /trunk/data/campaigns/Liberty/scenarios/04_Unlawful_Orders.cfg: Fix a recruitment pattern.
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20081213 03:43:25< Espreon> Hello fendrin_.
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20081213 04:25:55< Sapient> Soliton: I believe it is usually written "+10" to avoid confusion
20081213 04:30:46< Sapient> or if not, should be :)
20081213 04:34:09< AI0867> wouldn't that break the casting and cause it to be interpreted as 0?
20081213 04:34:18< Sapient> no
20081213 04:39:13< Sapient> trunk is so crashy for me
20081213 04:39:28< Sapient> too bad I wasn't running it in the debugger
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20081213 04:49:40< Sapient> hmm... I wonder why I am getting "Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Error" when I am not using Microsoft Visual C++
20081213 04:56:04< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20081213 04:57:28< AI0867> because we link to one of its libraries
20081213 04:57:45< AI0867> the redistributable so many came to the forums complaining about
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20081213 05:36:43< Espreon> esr: Here?
20081213 05:48:43< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31471 /trunk/data/tools/ (wesnoth/wmlgrammar.py wmltest): Write the TagPlus class, start on [unit_type] definition.
20081213 05:48:44< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=31471
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20081213 06:17:50< [Relic]> Hello :)
20081213 06:30:24< CIA-8> espreon * r31472 /branches/resources/cartography-tools/great-continent.xcf: * Did a lot of retouching (recreated the forests and cleaned up other debris) to the Far North map.
20081213 06:30:30< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=31472
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20081213 08:04:41< Soliton> AI0867: please turn that automatic url posting from shikadibot off.
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20081213 08:47:18< mordante> morning
20081213 08:51:00< CIA-8> jetryl * r31473 /trunk/data/core/ (14 files in 2 dirs): New images for the naga warrior.
20081213 08:51:01< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=31473
20081213 08:52:55< CIA-8> jetryl * r31474 /trunk/data/core/images/units/nagas/warrior.png: New images for the naga warrior.
20081213 08:52:56< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=31474
20081213 09:04:01< Ivanovic> moin
20081213 09:04:05< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20081213 09:48:08< mordante> esr around?
20081213 09:49:24< esr> Yes, but about to sleep. What's up?
20081213 09:49:41< mordante> a short question about the preprocessor
20081213 09:50:11< esr> Not sure I'm the one to answer, but go on.
20081213 09:50:29< mordante> they wiki says it's processed in alphabetic order, does this take locales in account? 
20081213 09:50:48< mordante> I want to make sure one file is processed first and all others afterwards
20081213 09:50:58< esr> What is the reverrent of "it"?
20081213 09:51:00< mordante> and using _main.cfg seems overkill
20081213 09:51:17< mordante> sorry I meant files
20081213 09:51:27< mordante> (never rewrite sentences; -) )
20081213 09:51:37< esr> Ah.  WAit.  That's not a preprocessor property, it's in filkesystem.cpp.
20081213 09:51:42< esr> Looking.
20081213 09:53:44< esr> Answer: It does whatever std:sort() does.  Checkk the C++ stdlib docs to find out if that groks locales.
20081213 09:54:11< mordante> where is the code in wesnoth?
20081213 09:54:42< esr> src/filesystem.cpp, near line 223.
20081213 09:56:02< mordante> sorting of strings depends on the locale :-(
20081213 09:56:15< mordante> (at least :-( in this case ;-) )
20081213 09:58:12< esr> Maybe you should bring back the _initial.cfg feature I discaeded to simplify the code :-)
20081213 09:58:31 * mordante stops typing :-P
20081213 09:58:56< mordante> just was wondering whether addin in _initial.cfg would make sense ;-)
20081213 09:59:03< mordante> adding*
20081213 09:59:36< esr> It was redundant with _main.cfg, so I removed it. Now you have a use case.  
20081213 09:59:40< mordante> I assume _initial.cfg without code changes will work, but it feels hacky
20081213 10:00:22< esr> It may need a code change depending on the locale.  It's nnot guaranteed that _ sorts before alphamerics, is it?
20081213 10:01:16< mordante> afaik locales do not guarantee that, but I guess all do in practice
20081213 10:01:34< esr> Likely.
20081213 10:01:42< mordante> but I like to have an explicit test just like _final.cfg
20081213 10:01:58< esr> Yeah, it shouldn't be hard to add.
20081213 10:02:10< esr> But I must sleep.
20081213 10:02:22< mordante> oh and I think I found a bug ;-)
20081213 10:02:26< esr> ?
20081213 10:02:41< mordante> this_file_is_not_final.cfg 
20081213 10:02:46< esr> You mean, aside from the 20-odd bugs assigned to you?
20081213 10:02:59< mordante> yeah :-(
20081213 10:03:17< mordante> you have a canister of spare time for me ? ;-)
20081213 10:03:44< esr> Hm, you're right.
20081213 10:04:05< esr> That is a bug.  Goes on my todo.
20081213 10:04:28< mordante> do you also add the _initial.cfg on your list?
20081213 10:04:32< esr> ...which, fortunately, isn't a long as yours.
20081213 10:04:45< esr> No.
20081213 10:05:04< mordante> I know, I really wish I had more time to work on things
20081213 10:05:18< esr> DWell the code doesn't do that now, was that a request that I put it on my feature quue?
20081213 10:06:00< mordante> yes I meant _initial.cfg for the FR list not the bug list
20081213 10:06:22< esr> OK, I'll try to get that done this weekend.
20081213 10:06:27< mordante> great :-)
20081213 10:06:39< mordante> then I start to use the feature ;-)
20081213 10:07:01< esr> Ivanovic: In response to your earlier question, I'm ready for mainline string freeze.
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20081213 10:07:33< esr> Now I must go sleep.
20081213 10:07:34< mordante> then I let you sleep now, night esr 
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20081213 10:07:40< esr> Night.
20081213 10:20:30< noy> Ivanovic: around?
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20081213 10:26:32< busfahrer> ummm. I'm looking at http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Download and it's from July 2008, listing 1.4.4 as current stable version... is that intentional?
20081213 10:26:48< loonycyborgw32> It seems that cross-compiled windows binaries crash in some important places now..
20081213 10:27:06< loonycyborgw32> Like in MP dialog and addons-dialog.
20081213 10:27:32< mordante> busfahrer I guess it got lost in the hdd crash
20081213 10:27:45< mordante> loonycyborgw32 can you lost a trace?
20081213 10:27:46< busfahrer> Oh, sorry to hear about that.
20081213 10:27:51< mordante> post*
20081213 10:28:15 * loonycyborgw32 hopes that it isn't caused by using gcc 4.2 which is in lenny.
20081213 10:28:44< loonycyborgw32> Binary that I compiled with gcc 3.4.5_dw2 works fine.
20081213 10:30:03< loonycyborgw32> In order to post backtrace I need to compile a debug version.
20081213 10:30:59< loonycyborgw32> mordante: http://rafb.net/p/yFhlwz86.html <- stderr.txt
20081213 10:37:53< mordante> can you run wesnoth with --log-debug=gui_draw?
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20081213 10:40:11< loonycyborgw32> mordante: Same output.
20081213 10:43:51< loonycyborgw32> mordante: http://rafb.net/p/lzipoo34.html <- --log-debug=all
20081213 10:44:47< loonycyborgw32> It doesn't appears to handle such large files well. First several thousands of lines are empty :)
20081213 10:45:06< mordante> I only looked at the end ;-)
20081213 10:49:00< mordante> loonycyborgw32 can you start wesnoth -t press f and type ( if ( text_font_height <= height , ( height - text_font_height ) / 2, 0))
20081213 10:49:20< mordante> and if it doesn't work then please try with numbers instead of variables
20081213 10:49:30< mordante> for me both work
20081213 10:52:28< loonycyborgw32> I'm getting unrecognized token both with numbers and variables.
20081213 10:53:07< mordante> then it's at least not the widgets
20081213 10:53:19< mordante> can you try to see which token it it?
20081213 10:53:23< mordante> is*
20081213 10:54:34< loonycyborgw32> I'm getting unrecognized token even for 4/2
20081213 10:54:58< mordante> and if you do 42?
20081213 10:55:19< loonycyborgw32> Still unrecognized token.
20081213 10:56:00< loonycyborgw32> If I enter "blah" I get *ai* (null)0
20081213 10:56:22< mordante> and 42 without the question mark?
20081213 10:57:05< loonycyborgw32> I tried without wuestion mark :)
20081213 10:57:26< loonycyborgw32> Adding ? doesn't change anything.
20081213 10:57:29< mordante> just wanted to make sure since a string worked and a number not
20081213 10:58:07< mordante> did you do "blah" with quotes?
20081213 10:58:14< loonycyborgw32> no
20081213 10:58:49< loonycyborgw32> With "" I get unrecognized token :)
20081213 10:59:03< mordante> me too, but it acts weird
20081213 10:59:24< mordante> can you try  ( if ( text_font_height <= height , ( height - text_font_height ) / x, x))
20081213 11:00:09< loonycyborgw32> It gives *ai* (null)0
20081213 11:00:32< mordante> it really looks like numbers fail
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20081213 11:05:32< Ivanovic> re
20081213 11:05:35< Ivanovic> noy: now i am again
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20081213 11:11:42< Ivanovic> busfahrer: uhm, the wiki page is correct for me
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20081213 11:14:51< mordante> Ivanovic did you refresh your cache?
20081213 11:14:57< Ivanovic> yes
20081213 11:15:03< Ivanovic> i even clicked on the "edit" button
20081213 11:15:07< Ivanovic> and there it does show me the same
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20081213 11:15:35< Ivanovic> and history also shows me that the last edit was on november 23rd
20081213 11:15:46< Ivanovic> (and i have not been on the history for this page before)
20081213 11:17:33< mordante> I also get 1.4.4, so something fishy is going on
20081213 11:19:01< busfahrer> Server-side cache? Round-robin DNS?
20081213 11:19:43< mordante> interesting the history shows 23.11. as last modification date
20081213 11:20:15< mordante> and the normal page 25.7.
20081213 11:21:04< busfahrer> RecentChanges says 13.12. for me
20081213 11:21:22< mordante> for me too
20081213 11:21:23< busfahrer> The page itself says 25.7. and 1.4.4
20081213 11:22:10< mordante> but recent is all changes to the wiki
20081213 11:22:15< mordante> what does http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Download?action=history say?
20081213 11:22:36< Ivanovic> (cur) (last)  20:56, 23 November 2008 Ivanovic (Talk | contribs | block) (6,938 bytes) (→Development (1.5 branch):  release of 1.5.6) (rollback | undo)
20081213 11:22:48< Ivanovic> this is the topmost entry there for me
20081213 11:23:01< Ivanovic> hmm, insteresting
20081213 11:23:06< Ivanovic> when not logged in it shows 1.4.4
20081213 11:23:15< mordante> I didn't log in
20081213 11:23:18< busfahrer> me neither
20081213 11:23:41< mordante> busfahrer what does the link above give for you?
20081213 11:23:44< Ivanovic> that is *interesting*
20081213 11:24:16< Ivanovic> ugh, this is pretty bad
20081213 11:24:23< busfahrer> mordante: The same that Ivanovic posted, except 19:56 but  I guess that's a timezone thing
20081213 11:24:25< Ivanovic> when trying to change the page i get a lovely database error
20081213 11:24:35< Ivanovic> Database error
20081213 11:24:37< Ivanovic> A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
20081213 11:24:38< Ivanovic>     (SQL query hidden)
20081213 11:24:40< Ivanovic> from within function "LinksUpdate::getExistingExternals". MySQL returned error "1146: Table 'wiki.mw_externallinks' doesn't exist (localhost)".
20081213 11:24:43< Ivanovic> Rhonda: we need your help
20081213 11:24:54< Ivanovic> probably we got to run some repair routine on the table
20081213 11:24:55< Ivanovic> s
20081213 11:26:17< mordante> yes I also assumed it's a TZ thing so didn't mentioned it ;-)
20081213 11:40:57< busfahrer> I now get the correct page, btw
20081213 11:41:01< busfahrer> 1.4.6, that is
20081213 11:43:45< mordante> me too, but I see Ivanovic made two edits today
20081213 11:45:45< Ivanovic> Rhonda: following the mediawiki i collected a list of files/tables that look like they are missing
20081213 11:45:46< Ivanovic> http://pastebin.com/m28c20ae8
20081213 11:46:08< Ivanovic> maybe you can do basially the same as you have done to get the other one back on those, too
20081213 11:46:47< Ivanovic> jupp, the categories page ain't working
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20081213 11:53:32< Ivanovic> okay, lets see if i can rebuild stuff
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20081213 12:02:52< Ivanovic> okay, i can't rebuild since the database parts are missing
20081213 12:02:53< Ivanovic> ARGH
20081213 12:03:13< Ivanovic> Rhonda: could you please try to restore the files that are listed as completely missing at http://pastebin.com/m28c20ae8 ?
20081213 12:04:13< loonycyborg> Why can't you restore them yourself? No access to /olddrive ? :)
20081213 12:04:30< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: there they are not anymore
20081213 12:04:35< Ivanovic> those seem to have gotten lost in the crash
20081213 12:04:43< Ivanovic> that is: we got a rather old DB dump
20081213 12:05:03< Ivanovic> and maybe we can restore a basic version from those and fix all the rest via the maintenance scripts from mediawiki
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20081213 12:10:11< fendrin_> Espreon: hi
20081213 12:11:11< Ivanovic> HA
20081213 12:11:17< Ivanovic> found the missing tables in the backup
20081213 12:11:33< mordante> :-)
20081213 12:11:38< Ivanovic> YES!!!
20081213 12:13:32< Ivanovic> i am running the "rebuild all" script anyway, just to be sure
20081213 12:18:17< Ivanovic> okay, now the wiki should really work...
20081213 12:22:40< zookeeper> Ivanovic, should i convert TB to the new carryover system?
20081213 12:23:20< Ivanovic> sure, feel free to do so
20081213 12:24:13< zookeeper> great, i'll do that now
20081213 12:25:42< Ivanovic> thanks
20081213 12:45:57< zookeeper> so there's now only AOI, EI and THoT left...not counting NR, LoW and UtBS.
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20081213 13:05:03< Rhonda> Ivanovic: I can select data from mw_page_restrictions and mw_redirect. I think those aren't myisam tables, I can't explain otherwise ...
20081213 13:05:12< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20081213 13:05:19< Ivanovic> Rhonda: i restored the other ones from the backup we got
20081213 13:05:43< Ivanovic> so the wiki should be completely working again (also ran one of the maintenence scripts to make sure that what can be rebuilt, is rebuilt
20081213 13:06:08< Rhonda> ...
20081213 13:06:57< Rhonda> How did you restore them?
20081213 13:08:03< Rhonda> I guess something along the lines of mysql -u root wiki < extracted_table_definition_plus_data.sql
20081213 13:08:27< Ivanovic> no
20081213 13:08:41< Ivanovic> i just copied them over from /backup/mysqldump/wiki.1/
20081213 13:08:56< Ivanovic> that is what those dumps are meant for: to restore, just copy the files into the folder
20081213 13:09:01< Rhonda> erm, from what I remembered that's what I did original?
20081213 13:09:20< Ivanovic> looks like you did not since the files were missing in /var/lib/mysql/wiki
20081213 13:09:40< Rhonda> I wouldn't know where else I should have taken the files from.
20081213 13:10:03< Rhonda> or did I do that only for the forum but for the wiki from /olddrive/var/lib/mysql ...  *puzzled*
20081213 13:10:06< Ivanovic> you would have taken them with some ugly sql magic from /home/wesnoth/swldumps
20081213 13:10:13< Ivanovic> probably
20081213 13:10:29< Ivanovic> with other words: looks like that backup somehow works
20081213 13:10:30< Ivanovic> ;)
20081213 13:10:54< Rhonda> Then hopefully some other files aren't broken, or can we cut again and try with a complete move over from the wiki files from backup again?
20081213 13:11:04< Rhonda> Any reasonable recent changes?
20081213 13:11:21< Ivanovic> no idea
20081213 13:11:40< Ivanovic> does not look like
20081213 13:11:54< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/User:Turuk
20081213 13:11:57< Ivanovic> this is basically the only one
20081213 13:12:11< Ivanovic> and he seems to be collecting a list of campaigns on the addon server
20081213 13:12:21< Ivanovic> which we should backup before moving things over
20081213 13:12:33< Rhonda> And you to the Download page
20081213 13:13:11< Rhonda> You are right, can you save Turuk's page and the Download one and I retry with restoring from the backup?
20081213 13:13:16< Ivanovic> yes, this was nothing
20081213 13:13:57< Ivanovic> okay, backup done
20081213 13:14:09< Ivanovic> please move the folder with the current wiki to a "save place" so that it does not get lost
20081213 13:14:22< Rhonda> ah, your download changes just said "foo" all over. :)
20081213 13:14:37< Ivanovic> jupp
20081213 13:14:43< Ivanovic> testing if it workds
20081213 13:14:55< Ivanovic> okay, what is on the User:Turuk page: http://rafb.net/p/F2LNn547.html
20081213 13:16:55< Rhonda> I've copied the page locally, too :)
20081213 13:17:48< Rhonda> alright, did copy the current wiki to wiki_sicherung
20081213 13:19:01< Ivanovic> okay
20081213 13:21:59< Rhonda> o.k., done
20081213 13:24:48< Ivanovic> so it looks like the backups did actually work nicely
20081213 13:25:25< Ivanovic> now we "just" have to make sure that the rsync on /srv/website is in again, so that this one gets backuped
20081213 13:25:36< Ivanovic> plus an rsync on /home (just to be sure)
20081213 13:53:30< Ivanovic> afk for some hours
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20081213 14:07:47< loonycyborg> Broken formula issue doesn't occur for cross-compiled binaries if mingw gcc 4.1.2 is used.
20081213 14:10:17< loonycyborg> Rhonda: Is it possible to install mingw gcc 3.4.5 or 4.1.2 on the server even though 4.2.1 is in the repo?
20081213 14:12:16< mordante> I wonder whether gcc-4.2.1 does something wrong or that we have some UB which gets uncovered by gcc-4.2.1
20081213 14:12:49< loonycyborg> It occurs both with mingw gcc 4.2.1 and 4.3.2
20081213 14:13:44 * loonycyborg has three different versions of mingw gcc installed at once. Gentoo's slotting feature rocks :)
20081213 14:13:45< mordante> the question still remains ;-)
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20081213 14:34:13 * Patterner has no version of mingw at all
20081213 14:34:18 * Patterner sings "and I feel fine"
20081213 14:35:37< Patterner> especially as the first comment in the mingw-runtime is "This version does not work"
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20081213 15:17:43< loonycyborg> Ivanivic: 1.4.7 installer is uploaded.
20081213 15:17:55< loonycyborg> *Ivanovic
20081213 15:20:51 * Soliton wonders if we should disallow nicks that mean 'server' in other languages... "<serveur> oio is being banned for 1 hour."
20081213 15:22:18< loonycyborg> Why is it necessary to ban server nicks?
20081213 15:22:59< Soliton> to prevent people from confusing others.
20081213 15:24:00< loonycyborg> To prevent confused people to connect to users named "server" and playing games on them? :)
20081213 15:24:23< Soliton> did you read the message i quoted?
20081213 15:24:51< loonycyborg> "<serveur> oio is being banned for 1 hour."? Yes.
20081213 15:25:18< Soliton> so what's with your non-sensical conclusion?
20081213 15:25:51< loonycyborg> That quote doesn't cause me to become more confused than I already am :)
20081213 15:27:40< Soliton> it's someone trying to "impersonate" the server and make official looking announcements or whatever.
20081213 15:27:58< loonycyborg> Ah. Makes sense.
20081213 15:28:08< mordante> maybe also include admin 
20081213 15:28:19< grzywacz> aDmIn
20081213 15:28:33< cib0> hm
20081213 15:28:41< cib0> what do real server messages look like?
20081213 15:29:00< Soliton> admin is already disallowed.
20081213 15:29:09< mordante> also the translated versions?
20081213 15:29:21< Soliton> no, no translated version of anything.
20081213 15:29:33< Soliton> cib0: the message format is the same just the nick is special.
20081213 15:31:51< loonycyborg> Maybe introduce special message format?
20081213 15:32:05< loonycyborg> E.g. use different color.
20081213 15:34:43< Soliton> you can use whatever color you want in-game. though i guess it is less likely that an actual player has an intention to impersonate the server.
20081213 15:35:51< loonycyborg> Or, maybe, different font :)
20081213 15:36:30< grzywacz> big, pink, blinking letters
20081213 15:37:40 * mordante know why he doesn't want to play MP :-P
20081213 15:37:47< mordante> knows*
20081213 15:38:28< Rhonda> loonycyborg: gcc-4.1 package?
20081213 15:39:07< grzywacz> mordante, so, what's the current status of your widgets? As in, which parts of code use them already?
20081213 15:39:50< loonycyborg> Rhonda: Close, but not. mingw-4.1 :)
20081213 15:40:06< loonycyborg> s/not/no
20081213 15:40:23< mordante> only a few dialog, MP login dialog and addon connection dialog
20081213 15:41:11< mordante> at the moment rewriting the drawing part, needed to avoid too much redrawing 
20081213 15:41:24< mordante> this also broke the new dialogs with Kitty's portraits
20081213 15:41:43< mordante> I had hope to postpone this rewrite until after 1.6, but alas
20081213 15:44:43< grzywacz> I see... Thanks.
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20081213 15:45:52< Ivanovic> re
20081213 15:47:21< mordante> but all is going much slower as expected
20081213 15:47:34< mordante> and I also have much less time as expected 
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20081213 15:51:06< AI0867> Soliton: I though I had done so, let me check my code
20081213 15:56:25< Turuk> word of thanks for Ivanovic and Rhonda for saving my wiki page.  I am building it to replace/update the current List of Campaigns, and while I had backed it up locally (in case of any loss until the wiki was fully fixed) I appreciate you two doing the same
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20081213 17:19:09< ESR_> mordante: _initcfg.cfg code being committed now for your review and test.
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20081213 17:36:50< Rhonda> loonycyborg: Hmm, wouldn't know where to get that, actually ...
20081213 17:37:15< Rhonda> Turuk: You're welcome. It wasn't that complicated, actually, so ... :)
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20081213 17:39:25< Rhonda> loonycyborg: I'm trying to downgrade mingw32 to the version in etch. But I can't promise to remember to have done so next time I try to do security updates ...
20081213 17:40:08< Rhonda> loonycyborg: Is 3.4.5.20060117.1.dfsg-2 now, hope that helps.
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20081213 17:45:29< crimson_penguin> By the way, I had to change game.cpp and editor_main.cpp to make it run (same as in 1.5; but 1.5 has my change in it now)
20081213 17:45:39< crimson_penguin> But I guess it's too late to do anything about that now
20081213 17:47:04< loonycyborg> Rhonda: Thanks.
20081213 17:49:37< CIA-8> shadowmaster * r31481 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/12_The_Final_Confrontation.cfg: 
20081213 17:49:37< CIA-8> Use gender-specific translations for "slowed"
20081213 17:49:37< CIA-8> This should not break translations since the code change is based on the
20081213 17:49:37< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=31481
20081213 17:49:43< CIA-8> fact that the strings 'female^slowed' and 'slowed' are both in the main
20081213 17:49:45< CIA-8> (wesnoth) textdomain.
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20081213 17:51:17< Soliton> AI0867: ^
20081213 17:53:38< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: submit a patch anyway
20081213 17:57:04< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: Errr, this changelog is incredibly long - should I maybe only include since 1.4?
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20081213 18:06:00< Ivanovic> this makes sense, yer
20081213 18:07:11< Soliton> maybe since 1.2 for people switching form that.
20081213 18:07:16< Soliton> from*
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20081213 18:10:23< crimson_penguin> That's quite a bit, but I guess may as well
20081213 18:12:26< AI0867> Soliton: I'll comment it out then
20081213 18:13:22< AI0867> done
20081213 18:16:09< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: So I think I've got everything working, including the editor and Python, but I'm trying to get a little not in the menu about how to run the editor
20081213 18:18:04< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: It's not as easy to make a patch, since it's not an svn checkout and I edited the only copy of the files (though I do still have the .tar)
20081213 18:19:05< AI0867> how volatile is the [unit_type] [portrait] syntax?
20081213 18:19:26< loonycyborg> After downgrade to mingw gcc 3.4.5 server has working cross-compiled binaries(no crashing in MP dialog etc) again.
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20081213 18:30:19< ESR_> AI0867: "how volatile"?  What do you mean?
20081213 18:31:14< AI0867> how likely is it to be subject to massive changes?
20081213 18:31:24< AI0867> it's not documented anywhere
20081213 18:31:39< AI0867> so for the syntax I'm going off the source and the few places it's used
20081213 18:32:32< AI0867> it also seems that specials, unlike abilities, don't have a 'female_name'
20081213 18:32:43< ESR_> AI0867: Not at all, I'd say.  [unit_type] changed in 1.5 so we could disambifguate from [unit].  I'm not aware that theeres a [portait] tag (as opposed to attribute) .
20081213 18:33:11< AI0867> not sure whether it is needed though
20081213 18:34:06< AI0867> ESR_: the 'profile' key of [unit_type] was supplemented by the [portrait] tag recently for the use of the new [message] GUI
20081213 18:34:13< AI0867> that is what I'm talking about
20081213 18:34:46< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I'm creating a disk image, and then I'll test it on my mom's 10.4 PPC, and if that works I'll upload
20081213 18:35:00< ESR_> Oh, sorry, you'll have to ask mordante about that (and shame on him  for not documenting it).
20081213 18:36:11< AI0867> well, it could still be in a testing stage, [message_test_left] obviously was one of that type
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20081213 18:40:24< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: you can also get the files via the web interface
20081213 18:40:33< Ivanovic> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/branches/1.4/
20081213 18:40:40< crimson_penguin> that's true
20081213 18:40:43< Ivanovic> that is: this is the easiest was to get single files
20081213 18:41:19< crimson_penguin> but, I'll try to get this uploading first, before I work on that
20081213 18:41:38 * crimson_penguin wonders if he's the only one without a package up
20081213 18:42:20< Ivanovic> probably not
20081213 18:42:25< Ivanovic> okay, off for some hours
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20081213 18:59:33< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, interesting change. i didn't realize that would have gender-specific translations in the engine.
20081213 19:01:51< crimson_penguin> I think everything works, so I'm uploading
20081213 19:03:00< crimson_penguin> ~2 hours
20081213 19:04:37< zookeeper> mordante, eh, i don't remember, so did you fix the bug with carryover gold in beginning-of-scenario saves already?
20081213 19:05:37< Rhonda> loonycyborg: But please try to find out what the problem with 4.2 is, it would be nice to be able to us the current package.
20081213 19:06:17< loonycyborg> Rhonda: kk
20081213 19:06:47< loonycyborg> That was my plan, anyway :)
20081213 19:09:17< Rhonda> erm, use
20081213 19:10:58< cib0> are the forum times correct?
20081213 19:11:55< cib0> im reading posts about changes supposedly having been before over a year, but i cant remember them even though ive been playing in those times..
20081213 19:13:31< cib0> wait, the times are correct.. weird
20081213 19:14:22< zookeeper> in HttT BoP, the WML suggests that the player is supposed to gain either just mermen fighters or all three lvl1 mermen as recruitables...i think currently he just gets mermen fighters. i wonder if that should be changed now that i'll clean up the code a bit..
20081213 19:14:52< zookeeper> i always kinda liked the loyal initiate and hunter since they were the only ones of their unit line i'd get in the whole campaign.
20081213 19:20:08< cib0> hm, the latter is the case if he manages to kill all leaders in the last scenario?
20081213 19:24:28< zookeeper> yeah, i think i'll make it so that you only get fighters if you don't kill both, and all three if you do.
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20081213 19:36:09< mordante> ESR_ I'm looking at the code, do you want to use _init.cfg or _initial.cfg? 
20081213 19:37:30< mordante> AI0867 the [portrait] is experimental
20081213 19:37:45< zookeeper> rather _initial.cfg, _init.cfg sounds like it involves some more black tech magic
20081213 19:37:49< zookeeper> (or _first.cfg)
20081213 19:38:11< mordante> ESR_ and it's not documented on purpose, the API still has to be determined ;-)
20081213 19:38:41< mordante> zookeeper no the carryover bug hasn't been fixed yet
20081213 19:39:40< mordante> well I prefer inital, since we also have final
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20081213 19:41:45< zookeeper> i'd consider that carryover bug a kind of a blocker for 1.5.7 :/
20081213 19:42:13< mordante> I know but I've some blockers in the GUI code as well :-(
20081213 19:42:42< zookeeper> the GUI looks fine when i'm playing :P
20081213 19:43:14< Espreon> Same here.
20081213 19:43:35< cib0> is there no devc++ file distributed anymore?
20081213 19:43:45< cib0> hey mordante
20081213 19:43:55< mordante> hi cib0 
20081213 19:44:28< mordante> well you didn't watch a long dialog with the new widgets ;-)
20081213 19:44:37 * mordante starts to sing paint it black
20081213 19:45:40< mordante> cib0 the project files have been move to projectfiles/Dev-C++
20081213 19:46:01< cib0> ah, thanks
20081213 19:47:34< zookeeper> Soliton, ah, i have a guess on what the terrain id's are used: for the list of encountered terrains, so the game knows which ones to show in the terrain help. just my guess.
20081213 19:48:08< Soliton> true.
20081213 19:48:28< Soliton> otherwise the terrain string is the id?
20081213 19:48:38< Espreon> Oh, speaking of the terrain... there is something funny occurring with water terrain with the light overlay.
20081213 19:48:48< zookeeper> Soliton, no idea. don't they all have id's?
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20081213 19:49:04< zookeeper> Espreon, yes, it disables submerging, right?
20081213 19:49:12< Soliton> zookeeper: i mean id as in the thing that really uniquely identifies them.
20081213 19:49:13< Espreon> Correcto mi amigo.
20081213 19:49:57< zookeeper> Soliton, hmm...yeah. my preferences encountered_terrain_list= contains the terrain codes, not id's.
20081213 19:50:22< Espreon> zookeeper: So what is going to be done about it?
20081213 19:50:36< cib0> it even features codeblocks project files
20081213 19:50:41< zookeeper> Espreon, add to poor mordante's todo list :P
20081213 19:51:11 * Espreon laughs manically.
20081213 19:51:23< Soliton> zookeeper: about the merman.. could make it so you can recruit the other types when you rescue them from the cage. that'd make sense to me anyway.
20081213 19:51:39 * mordante hides
20081213 19:51:43< zookeeper> the fix would need to be some extra key for overlay terrains. if the default would be for the overlay to override submerging, then overlay terrains need to be able to specify some submerge=inherit or whatever to cause them to not do it.
20081213 19:52:12< zookeeper> since bridges need to disable submerging, lit needs to not disable.
20081213 19:52:48< zookeeper> in fact, some kind of special "inherit" value like that would make sense for some other attributes too, like unit_height_offset
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20081213 19:53:56< zookeeper> Soliton, hmm, yeah, i guess. although if someone is really so noobish that they actually manage to miss the northwest cage, i don't think they should be punished even more ;) i don't think i've ever played that scenario without getting that cage.
20081213 19:54:43< Espreon> Who was working on snowy mountains?
20081213 19:54:57< zookeeper> freim
20081213 19:55:07< Soliton> zookeeper: sure, it's not meant as a challenge or punishment. :-)
20081213 19:55:45< zookeeper> ESR_, the "flat" entry in the terrain help is still just talking about grassland. could you see if you can try to generalize it a bit? i find it a bit hard.
20081213 19:56:08< Soliton> i guess it actually makes sense that you'd get more mermen when you completely remove the orcish presence. so nevermind.
20081213 19:57:38< freim> Espreon: I'm here if you're wondering about something regarding the mountains. I'm working on more variants, it's just slow going
20081213 19:58:25< Espreon> freim: All right. I was just saddened to see so little variants. At least you are working on them.
20081213 20:00:23< Espreon> Who was working on those cliffs a while ygo?
20081213 20:00:42< zookeeper> mesilliac. but he mysteriously completely vanished during the big forum crash.
20081213 20:01:16< zookeeper> quite a shame, he was a really good terrain guy to have around.
20081213 20:01:45< Espreon> Meh, maybe he lost hope during The Crash.
20081213 20:02:04< cib0> that sounds like an event in history o.o
20081213 20:02:07< zookeeper> i even PM'd him a couple of months ago, but he hasn't even read it so i won't be holding my breath.
20081213 20:02:11< zookeeper> yeah, it is
20081213 20:03:19< Espreon> Hmmm... I really love the cliffs he made. I hope that they are finished someday.
20081213 20:03:32< Espreon> Then again... the files might have been lost.
20081213 20:04:54< zookeeper> no, they're safe
20081213 20:05:09< zookeeper> of course i don't know if he had some working files he never posted anywhere
20081213 20:05:17< zookeeper> but i have the basic tiles somewhere
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20081213 20:08:20< Espreon> zookeeper: Good.
20081213 20:15:14< zookeeper> gah. the in-game help listing of :commands is really missing a lot of stuff.
20081213 20:16:09< Soliton> debug mode stuff?
20081213 20:16:25< zookeeper> yeah, and all the MP-related stuff too.
20081213 20:16:37< Soliton> turn debug mode on and you'll see them.
20081213 20:17:51< Soliton> you probably have to be online for the MP-related commands.
20081213 20:18:03< Soliton> because i see them fine.
20081213 20:18:56< zookeeper> ok, correction: all MP commands seem to be listed
20081213 20:19:09< zookeeper> it's just some general and quite a few debug commands missing
20081213 20:19:35< Soliton> like?
20081213 20:19:48< Soliton> the way it works now they pretty much have to be listed.
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20081213 20:20:33< zookeeper> like :nosaves and :choose_level
20081213 20:22:22< Soliton> :nosaves is probably intentionally left out.
20081213 20:22:35< Soliton> let's see what's up with :cl.
20081213 20:22:46< zookeeper> there's a bit of redundancy here, the help page has its own listing and descriptions, and then you can do :help <command> which shows entirely different descriptions.
20081213 20:23:08< zookeeper> i'm sure the latter has all of them listed, it's just the help pages i'm talking about.
20081213 20:23:46< zookeeper> so maybe all that stuff should be listed only once, and the help page generated from it or vice versa.
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20081213 20:24:32 * Soliton sees nosaves and choose_level.
20081213 20:24:58< Soliton> you have to activate debug to see choose_level.
20081213 20:25:15< cib0> why is "The Era of Myths" first in alphabetical add-on listings? it doesnt start with a number..
20081213 20:25:58< Soliton> right, the help pages are manually added so they're out of date.
20081213 20:26:51< Espreon> fendrin_: Perhaps we should think of stats for the Sanddancer.
20081213 20:27:55< Soliton> alink probably knows about automating that.
20081213 20:28:52< cib0> sanddancer o.o
20081213 20:29:12< Espreon> It is an idea for a new scout for the Quenoth Elves.
20081213 20:30:34< fendrin_> Espreon: Shouldn't we have an artist first?
20081213 20:31:06< Espreon> Yes, but perhaps we should get the stats and whatnot out of the way.
20081213 20:31:19< Espreon> We should finalize the idea.
20081213 20:31:22< Ivanovic> Soliton: could you have a look at manual.wesnoth.org and check if the game rules are correct?
20081213 20:31:40< Ivanovic> as well as basically complete regarding traits and such
20081213 20:32:00< fendrin_> Espreon: Let's do that in january. I am quite busy now with my midterm exams.
20081213 20:32:04< cib0> quenoth.. sounds familiar.. was that UtbS or was that something else?
20081213 20:32:09< Soliton> should be, i'll check.
20081213 20:32:10< Espreon> Yes.
20081213 20:32:20< Espreon> fendrin_: All right.
20081213 20:34:22< cib0> so UtbS is being worked on? nice
20081213 20:34:32< Espreon> Yup, we have made immense progress.
20081213 20:34:41< Espreon> In fact, most of the graphics are updated.
20081213 20:34:54< cib0> gotta check that out sometime
20081213 20:35:16< Espreon> Shadow_Master did say something about making a new Eloh sprite that resembles Elynia.
20081213 20:35:29< Espreon> *"Eloh"
20081213 20:36:02< cib0> i never managed to play UtbS through o.o
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20081213 20:51:08< cib0> what the hell.. i hit alt-s and wesnoth quits?
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20081213 20:56:58< ESR_> zookeeper: I'll look.
20081213 20:57:51< Espreon> ESR_: As you might know, I committed the retouched Far North map earlier.
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20081213 21:07:19< Espreon> ESR_: Do not update the copy of the map on SotBE, as I want to do some more things to the master copy.
20081213 21:07:30< Espreon> *map in SotBE
20081213 21:07:36< ESR_> Noted.
20081213 21:10:39< cib0> is it only me or are there far less RPG players than before a year?
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20081213 21:11:50< loonycyborg> cib0: What RPG players? :)
20081213 21:13:44< cib0> well, anyone who plays non-standard or non-ladder and maybe a bit more than 5 rounds of SX
20081213 21:14:18 * loonycyborg doesn't think that wesnoth makes a good RPG.
20081213 21:14:50< loonycyborg> I bet those people moved to NWN or some other real RPG.
20081213 21:15:00< cib0> are there any incompatibilites between 1.4.4 and 1.4.6?
20081213 21:15:11< cib0> NWN?
20081213 21:15:16< loonycyborg> There's shouldn't be.
20081213 21:15:43< loonycyborg> cib0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverwinter_Nights
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20081213 21:16:11< cib0> personally, i think wesnoth makes quite a good RPG, atleast i have enjoyed it the most
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20081213 21:52:23< [Relic]> Hello :)
20081213 21:52:46< mordante> hi [Relic] 
20081213 21:52:56< [Relic]> :)
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20081213 21:53:41 * mordante hands [Relic] a flame thrower, now you might have more success with our flamewar :-P
20081213 21:53:50 * mordante puts on his asbestos suit
20081213 21:54:47< [Relic]> :)
20081213 21:55:01< [Relic]> easiest flamewar is (what is the best linux)  :)
20081213 21:55:22< loonycyborg> xchat sucks :)
20081213 21:59:29< grzywacz> xchat is nice ;)
20081213 22:04:29< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: My dmg is on SF :)
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20081213 22:15:22< Rhonda> [Relic]: wrong. editor is easiest flamewar
20081213 22:17:04< mordante> no reason for a flamewar there, everybody knows vim is the best editor :-P
20081213 22:17:53< Rhonda> :)
20081213 22:25:33< CIA-8> soliton * r31485 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: fixed white space errors and simplified again
20081213 22:25:44< CIA-8> soliton * r31486 /trunk/doc/manual/manual.txt: updated the list of units that can get fearless
20081213 22:35:51< grzywacz> mordante, I was looking at CTD plugin for Eclipse recently and I think I *might* be able to work with it, if not for eclipse eating almost all of my memory in the process ;-)
20081213 22:37:04< mordante> doesn't sound too convincing :-P
20081213 22:37:52< grzywacz> I know. But some kind of semi-intelligent content assist actually seems to work. Like suggesting method/member names on instances/pointers, etc.
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20081213 22:41:40< mordante> omnicomplete in vim also works reasonable well 
20081213 22:41:58< mordante> not really convinced yet, but I also need to look into tuning it a bit more
20081213 22:42:30< grzywacz> mordante, I only used the basic ctrl+p in vim 7. I think it can suggest words from the current buffer only.
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20081213 22:44:47< mordante> grzywacz I use this plugin http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1520
20081213 22:45:02< mordante> when I type :: . or -> it starts to show suggestions
20081213 22:45:31 * grzywacz looks
20081213 22:45:49< mordante> it uses a ctags database
20081213 22:46:36 * loonycyborg wonders how well it handles templates
20081213 22:46:57< mordante> what do you mean with that?
20081213 22:47:09< grzywacz> mordante, vanilla ctags? I recall there was a project with better C++ support...
20081213 22:47:52< loonycyborg> mordante: Can it also suggest methods from templated classes?
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20081213 22:49:07< mordante> grzywacz I just exuberant ctags (http://ctags.sourceforge.net/) and you need some extra flags, but the documentation of the plugin explains that
20081213 22:49:48< grzywacz> mordante, k, thanks for hints.
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20081213 22:50:50< mordante> loonycyborg haven't tested that much and trying to make a tags database of boost was a bit futile (1 GB and growing before I aborted it)
20081213 22:51:06< mordante> but the screenshots indicate that it should be possible with boost
20081213 22:51:13< mordante> grzywacz you're welcome
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20081213 22:57:06< mordante> night
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20081213 23:03:42< cib0> eek, got that sdl_ttf problem again
20081213 23:04:45< loonycyborg> cib0: What sdl_ttf problem?
20081213 23:05:18< cib0> that it's not in my svn checkout where the project file expects it to be
20081213 23:06:21< cib0> namely src/sdl_ttf/
20081213 23:06:44< cib0> i knew there was something about it not being included anymore or something, but i dont remember exactlz
20081213 23:07:05< Soliton> you remember well.
20081213 23:07:14< loonycyborg> Long long time ago it was included in the source :)
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20081213 23:07:42< loonycyborg> Because standard sdl_ttf had a wesnoth-breaking bug.
20081213 23:07:43< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31487 /trunk/data/gui/default/macros/ (_init.cfg _initial.cfg): Rename _initial.cfg to _init.cfg to match the the C++.
20081213 23:08:17< loonycyborg> Later that bug was fixed and stock sdl_ttf is used now..
20081213 23:08:18< cib0> ah, yeah, i remember
20081213 23:09:03< loonycyborg> You're compiling 1.4 or 1.5?
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20081213 23:09:47 * Soliton looks at the scrollback and suggests that the C++ was the one to change.
20081213 23:09:48< Espreon> Hello Sirp.
20081213 23:10:35< AI0867> both were changed today
20081213 23:12:08< cib0> hm, i really don't get how debian works yet.. i thought when i install a library package, the headers would be added to gcc's includes automatically..
20081213 23:12:24< grzywacz> You need a -dev one.
20081213 23:13:02< Soliton> binary distros usually split headers into -dev packages.
20081213 23:14:17< loonycyborg> Hopefully not to conserve space? :)
20081213 23:14:30< cib0> well, i built it myself.. and i just realized i only used make, not make install o.o
20081213 23:15:08< grzywacz> Gosh, any idea why 'scons build wesnoth' doesn't build the game binary itself, only wesnothd and campaignd?
20081213 23:15:53< loonycyborg> Why 'build'?
20081213 23:16:14< grzywacz> Ah, ok, found out why.
20081213 23:16:20< grzywacz> Ugly output...
20081213 23:18:25< grzywacz> Why doesn't it find my sdl mixer...
20081213 23:18:43< loonycyborg> Look in build/config.log
20081213 23:19:16< grzywacz> I'm looking.
20081213 23:19:20< loonycyborg> Next time type 'scons build wesnoth please' :)
20081213 23:19:51< grzywacz> scons build wesnoth or die
20081213 23:19:53< loonycyborg> Seriously, don't put build there unless it's build=debug or build=release
20081213 23:20:04< grzywacz> I tried without build before, no worries. ;)
20081213 23:20:16< Rhonda> Can someone apply a patch for me to the 1.4 branch?
20081213 23:20:32< Rhonda> I know it most propably won't get another release, but this is ridiculous ...
20081213 23:20:49< cib0> wut, sdl-ttf was installed on my system this whole time, why is it not found then? o.o
20081213 23:20:58< Rhonda> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12185 <-- would be nice to have that in the 1.4 branch, too.
20081213 23:22:20< grzywacz> Ah, probably some cached weirdness...
20081213 23:22:58 * loonycyborg hopes that scons people will revamp configuration stuff soon
20081213 23:23:31< grzywacz> :S
20081213 23:23:43< loonycyborg> Along with those stupid configuration checking bugs and broken Ctrl-C
20081213 23:23:56< loonycyborg> during configuration.
20081213 23:23:58< grzywacz> ++: build/sconf_temp/conftest_0.cpp: No such file or directory
20081213 23:24:02< grzywacz> this is hilarious :-)
20081213 23:24:30< grzywacz> I killed the database, let's see if that helps.
20081213 23:25:07< cib0> assuming libsdl-ttf2.0-dev is installed on my system, how can SDL_ttf.h not be found?
20081213 23:25:24< grzywacz> Wrong include path used by the compiler?
20081213 23:25:35< grzywacz> -ISDL missing, or something.
20081213 23:25:43< loonycyborg> cib0: If it's installed not in /usr/include/SDL
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20081213 23:26:47< cib0> well, there is a SDL_ttf.h in that directory, so i assume im not including it
20081213 23:27:04< Soliton> --config=force
20081213 23:27:12< Soliton> if you're using scons.
20081213 23:27:43< loonycyborg> grzywacz: --config=force would likely work for you too :)
20081213 23:27:58< grzywacz> loonycyborg, yes, I've already made a mental note of it ;)
20081213 23:30:43< cib0> well, i just added that directory to my includes manually and it made the errors go away, i really don't know enough about how compiling works
20081213 23:31:50< cib0> maybe i should do some tutorials on compiling with gcc and all that once
20081213 23:35:29< cib0> hm.. is including SDL/ to the compiler's directories a common solution? or are there also projects using stuff like "#include "SDL/SDL_ttf.h"?
20081213 23:37:20< cib0> pango..
20081213 23:37:27< grzywacz> In fact, `sdl-config --cflags` should be used to determine the proper includes for SDL
20081213 23:38:14< loonycyborg> For pango you'll need `pkg-config --cflags pangocairo` :)
20081213 23:40:13< cib0> i see
20081213 23:42:27< cib0> now, that makes sense
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20081213 23:49:20 * crimson_penguin thinks including SDL/SDL_ttf.h is a terrible idea, because there's no way to get around it if you don't have an SDL dir
20081213 23:50:05< loonycyborg> IIRC this is the case on BSD
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20081213 23:50:06< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31488 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/ (21 files): Converted EI to the new gold carryover system. Starting gold still needs to be rebalanced.
20081213 23:50:42< crimson_penguin> It's like how the proper way to include OpenGL is to include GL/GL.h (or something), but on Mac, the headers are in /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Headers, which has no GL in it anywhere...
20081213 23:51:17< crimson_penguin> So you have to make a symlink ./GL to that dir... it's terribly hacky
20081213 23:52:22< loonycyborg> In case of opengl, including GL/GL.h *is* the right way.
20081213 23:53:17< loonycyborg> If Apple called their framework GL instead of OpenGL this would work splendidly..
20081213 23:53:20< crimson_penguin> I know
20081213 23:53:31< grzywacz> Finally, scons seems to work for me.
20081213 23:53:37< crimson_penguin> Well no, it'd still be GL.framework/Headers
20081213 23:54:01< crimson_penguin> They could fix it though, by putting the headers in OpenGL.framework/Headers/GL
20081213 23:54:32< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: But this would be automatically taken care of if you pass appropriate -F and -framework during compilation.
20081213 23:54:40< grzywacz> assertion error ;-)
20081213 23:54:52< crimson_penguin> It would? I didn't realize that
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20081213 23:55:22< crimson_penguin> You're right!
20081213 23:55:40< crimson_penguin> I include <Carbon/Carbon.h>, but there is not filesystem structure like that
20081213 23:56:06< cib0> right now im wondering whether you would actually use pkg-config with codeblocks..
20081213 23:56:29 * loonycyborg wonders how did he manage to figure that out without any sort access to any mac
20081213 23:57:02< loonycyborg> *sort of access
20081213 23:58:10< crimson_penguin> no*
20081213 23:58:22< crimson_penguin> I don't know, but good job :D
20081213 23:58:32< crimson_penguin> Thanks for telling me that; I was curious how that worked
20081213 23:58:44< crimson_penguin> I knew that -framework did something with includes, but wasn't quite sure what
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