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20081214 00:07:51< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31490 /trunk/data/tools/wmltest: Factor out output indentation.
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20081214 00:24:59< crimson_penguin> loonycyborg: what's -F btw?
20081214 00:28:22< loonycyborg> Framework search path.
20081214 00:28:50< loonycyborg> I've discovered those by reading gcc manual.
20081214 00:29:49< crimson_penguin> Ah
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20081214 00:52:32< cib0> ohh, the map editor is now included within wesnoth? neat
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20081214 01:22:27< Shadow_Master> yays for 31472.
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20081214 06:01:26< Sapient> The irc topic is truncatec now
20081214 06:01:41< Sapient> maybe some of those urls can be abbreviated
20081214 06:03:52-!- Sapient changed the topic of #wesnoth-dev to: 1.4.7 released, announcing soon... | soft stringfreeze for most campaigns, wiki/TextdomainStatus | wesconf@FOSDEM2009, wiki/Fosdem2009 | 1.6 release plan, wiki/Wesnoth1.6ReleasePlan | 67 bugs, 211 feature requests, 7 patches | logs: http://irclogs.wesnoth.org/ | Don't paste on IRC! Use a pastebin: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com
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20081214 06:07:12< Espreon> Sapient: You omitted the part about imagebin.
20081214 06:07:42< Sapient> eh, I don't remember the link
20081214 06:07:57< Sapient> I'm not sure that's used often enough to deserve space in the topic
20081214 06:08:38< Espreon> Here's the link: http://imagebin.org/
20081214 06:09:35< Sapient> people can't paste images in irc anyway... the reason that is in the topic is to prevent text flooding the channel
20081214 06:13:47< Sapient> Espreon: have you played the dead water campaign?
20081214 06:13:55< Espreon> Nope, why?
20081214 06:14:25< Sapient> I was just playing it on normal difficulty and wondering why it seemed so difficult
20081214 06:14:49< Sapient> Apparently, I am really bad at Wesnoth or something :P
20081214 06:15:17 * Espreon hates NP++'s highlighting system.
20081214 06:15:56< Sapient> I tried Notepad++
20081214 06:16:16< Sapient> it's slow and the default color scheme is too bright with not enough contrast
20081214 06:18:07< Sapient> so I still prefer vim
20081214 06:18:16 * Espreon prefers Kate.
20081214 06:18:29< Sapient> never tried it/her
20081214 06:18:55< Espreon> It is quite nice.
20081214 06:20:45< Sapient> well I got to get up early. later
20081214 06:20:54< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20081214 10:07:15< zookeeper> meh, i'll be gone most of the day, back in the evening.
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20081214 10:10:28< mordante> morning
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20081214 10:39:49< Ivanovic> moin
20081214 10:45:22< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20081214 13:52:25< AI0867> shikadibot: log 31472
20081214 13:52:27< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=0
20081214 14:01:58< AI0867> shikadibot: log 31472
20081214 14:02:00< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=0
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20081214 14:18:03< cib0> hello
20081214 14:18:49< mordante> hi cib0 
20081214 14:20:14< cib0> mordante: any easy way to check out your GUI?
20081214 14:20:44< mordante> it's already partly integrated with the current GUI
20081214 14:23:46< cib0> any situation where even a blind person like me would notice the difference? or are the changes just internally right now?
20081214 14:24:10< mordante> changes are internally and I try to mimic the current GUI
20081214 14:24:17< cib0> i see
20081214 14:24:30< mordante> the main goal is to be able to make the GUI work better with different resolution
20081214 14:24:39< cib0> ah
20081214 14:24:42< mordante> and to make it possible to create a completely different GUI
20081214 14:24:51< cib0> nice
20081214 14:24:59< mordante> but that only makes sense if most (or all) of the GUI has been converted
20081214 14:25:13< cib0> well, if your goal is to mimic the current GUI, you are doing it pretty well :p
20081214 14:25:19< mordante> so I haven't really announced it yet
20081214 14:25:28< cib0> yeah
20081214 14:25:33< mordante> well doing nothing would be a perfect mimic :-P
20081214 14:25:49< cib0> i think i get what you're doing
20081214 14:26:15< mordante> but here's some more info http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/GUIToolkit
20081214 14:26:55< cib0> there are many parts of Wesnoth that would require something like that, since Wesnoth keeps advancing from what it was originally planned to be
20081214 14:28:16< mordante> yes and I hope to see more people working on skinning once I'm done ;-)
20081214 14:29:04< cib0> i guess
20081214 14:29:57< mordante> well I've seen some people working on it, but getting stuck by the current engine
20081214 14:30:10< mordante> the same once happened with the terrain system ;-)
20081214 14:30:29< cib0> so you will be able to create the complete skin with WML?
20081214 14:30:45< mordante> that's the goal
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20081214 14:33:07< cib0> WML keeps becoming more and more powerful
20081214 14:33:49< mordante> yep, well I think the GUI is one of the parts which can't be customized well at the moment
20081214 14:33:58< cib0> true
20081214 14:34:19< cib0> i see the day coming when you will write your own game in the Wesnoth Engine xD
20081214 14:34:35< cib0> the new game making language - WML, lol
20081214 14:35:15< mordante> :-)
20081214 14:35:53< grzywacz> Is it possible to write tetris in wml already?
20081214 14:35:55< grzywacz> ;->
20081214 14:37:49< cib0> what the hell is going with the server..
20081214 14:38:26< grzywacz> Works for me?
20081214 14:38:32< cib0> i thought this was Wesnoth, not lil immature kid's fav place to fool around
20081214 14:39:57< mordante> we had hardware problems
20081214 14:40:54< grzywacz> I'd say... wetware problems.
20081214 14:41:52< loonycyborg> cib0: Is there much broken wetware currently logged on on the server? :)
20081214 14:42:19< cib0> before a moment there was
20081214 14:43:55< cib0> hm, are there actually people on the development server?
20081214 14:44:28< mordante> probably not, or not much
20081214 14:49:24< cib0> it would really be helpful if there was a place where all the people who aren't so immature would go, currenctly i find it pretty hard to find good games with the server being so full
20081214 14:50:21< cib0> i think it got worse the last years with Wesnoth growing more popular, didn't it?
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20081214 14:51:25< grzywacz> cib0, there's such place and normally it's called kindergarten :P
20081214 14:54:30< cib0> yeah, unfortunately there is no kindergarten for adults..
20081214 14:56:04< mordante> no obviously a kindergarten is for children, you need to find an erwachsengarten ;-)
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20081214 14:57:42< cib0> hm, do you know who has done the changes to game_events.cpp inventing the new macros?
20081214 14:58:01< mordante> which new macros?
20081214 14:58:36< cib0> WML_HANDLER_FUNCTION
20081214 14:58:48< mordante> suokko 
20081214 14:59:46 * cib0 summons suokko
20081214 15:00:36 * mordante thinks cib0 needs a lot of luck
20081214 15:00:37< loonycyborg> Good luck with that :)
20081214 15:01:08< cib0> lol, you never know :p
20081214 15:01:55< mordante> well he hasn't spoken for several months ;-)
20081214 15:02:25< cib0> ok, alot of luck i guess =)
20081214 15:05:26< cib0> i like how C++ makes a difference between the formatting and displaying of code and the actual semantics of code by using a preprocessor
20081214 15:08:12< loonycyborg> s/C++/C
20081214 15:09:03< grzywacz> macros are evil
20081214 15:09:09< cib0> or C.. i thought since Wesnoth was using C++, i would be on the safe side with saying that
20081214 15:09:29< mordante> macos have their usage
20081214 15:10:21< cib0> knives are evil
20081214 15:10:29< cib0> you can use them to cut somebody
20081214 15:11:44< loonycyborg> macros are evil with the exception of BOOST_FOREACH :)
20081214 15:12:06< cib0> i find the macros very useful here, they remove alot of redundant data making the file shorter
20081214 15:12:14 * mordante would love to see how grzywacz can write a C++ program without macros ;-)
20081214 15:13:18< loonycyborg> Wesnoth would never be able to have win32 specific code without _WIN32 macro :)
20081214 15:15:16< cib0> weird, i can't find where the moveto event is defined..
20081214 15:28:18< grzywacz> mordante, as in "without parametrized #defines"? Sure I can.
20081214 15:28:53< mordante> grzywacz no more without any #defines
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20081214 15:36:15< grzywacz> mordante, sorry?
20081214 15:36:57< mordante> try to write a C++ program without using any #define at all
20081214 15:37:35< mordante> I know it's possible ;-)
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20081214 15:37:51< grzywacz> No fun, I was about to type a complete hello world in :P
20081214 15:38:30< mordante> yeah well I was thinking more about non-trivial programs
20081214 15:42:27< cib0> waiit...
20081214 15:42:36< cib0> you actually only fire the event
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20081214 15:43:07< cib0> but stuff like "moveto" is never actually cached by the C++ engine, rather you can catch any event with WML?
20081214 15:43:16< cib0> s/cached/catched
20081214 15:49:40< grzywacz> mordante, still, what do you really need defines for?
20081214 15:49:54< mordante> include guards
20081214 15:50:06< grzywacz> mordante, these are not parametrized ;)
20081214 15:50:33< cib0> is "recorder" a global variable? o.o
20081214 15:50:44< mordante> grzywacz I know ;-)
20081214 15:50:48< mordante> [15:36]	<mordante>	try to write a C++ program without using any #define at all
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20081214 15:51:32< grzywacz> mordante, still possible. Who said you have to include the same header twice? :P
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20081214 15:51:46< mordante> [15:37]	<mordante>	I know it's possible ;-)
20081214 15:52:42< mordante> it might just become quite hard with a non-trivial program
20081214 15:53:25< mordante> but I agree one should try to avoid macros if possible
20081214 15:53:47< mordante> (and I feel dirty after writing some macos yesterday ;-) )
20081214 15:54:10< mordante> and they didn't even have parameters
20081214 15:58:55< CIA-8> mordante * r31492 /branches/1.4/ (changelog src/actions.cpp): 
20081214 15:58:55< CIA-8> Allow recruiting in large castles.
20081214 15:58:55< CIA-8> It's now possible to recruit in castles more than 99 tiles away (bug #12185).
20081214 15:58:55< CIA-8> Backport of r28805 upon Rhonda's request.
20081214 15:59:22 * Rhonda thanks mordante :)
20081214 15:59:54< mordante> you're welcome, and I just got reminded I wanted to read that ubuntu report bug as well ;-)
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20081214 16:05:31< CIA-8> mordante * r31493 /branches/1.4/ (changelog src/actions.cpp): 
20081214 16:05:31< CIA-8> Revert 31492.
20081214 16:05:31< CIA-8> Ivanovic reminded me that it causes backwards compatibility issues.
20081214 16:06:55< cib0> hm, all player input is handled by game_display.show()?
20081214 16:10:36< grzywacz> mordante, I filled something yesterday, probably for you ;)
20081214 16:11:48< mordante> the esc problem seems older and not 100% reproducable
20081214 16:12:04< mordante> the sounds are on my todo list, but haven't gotten around them
20081214 16:12:25< mordante> I totally forgot about them at first since I hate UI sounds ;-)
20081214 16:12:50< mordante> but thanks for the reports
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20081214 16:19:34< mordante> Rhonda https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wesnoth/+bug/287158 seems to be related to some memory corruption we've seen before
20081214 16:19:56< mordante> but it's hard to reproduce and under valgrind it doesn't happen
20081214 16:20:16< mordante> maybe if we can reproduce it in trunk Sirp might want to look at it
20081214 16:20:30< mordante> maybe he can easily find it with the new malloc
20081214 16:20:59< mordante> or fribidi screws up;-)
20081214 16:22:52< cib0> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=21390&p=326050#p326050 <- do you think it would be desirable to be able to synchronize within WML events?
20081214 16:23:28< zookeeper> no
20081214 16:23:38< zookeeper> much too complicated technically, i'm sure.
20081214 16:25:09< mordante> I also think it might get complicated, but I think Sapient or YogiHH know that part of the code the best
20081214 16:25:22< zookeeper> synchronizing after each triggered event sounds more plausible to me.
20081214 16:25:31< cib0> true
20081214 16:37:54< Rhonda> mordante: Hmm, alright. Do you want to add something to the bugreport, or shall I?
20081214 16:39:00< mordante> Rhonda I would prefer that you do that, not in the mood to get another account
20081214 16:39:12 * mordante loves the debian system
20081214 16:40:35< Rhonda> :)
20081214 16:40:59< Rhonda> Well, 287158@bugs.launchpad.net works, too
20081214 16:42:25< mordante> oh that's better, good to know Ubuntu also copied that :-)
20081214 16:43:16< mordante> oh and something else, we discussed it might be a nice idea to give the core devs a wesnoth email account
20081214 16:43:39< mordante> can you do that or do we need to ask OLM?
20081214 16:43:44< Rhonda> Sure. But MX doesn't point to the host.
20081214 16:43:55< Rhonda> wesnoth.org mail is handled by 10 mail.jexiste.org.
20081214 16:44:22< Rhonda> Techincally the host accepts mail for dave@wesnoth.org - if it would only reach the host.
20081214 16:45:08< Rhonda> It's though not set to be strong against spam, virus and the likes.
20081214 16:45:33< Rhonda> That might take me a bit to set up filtering and blacklists and such.
20081214 16:45:33< cib0> has rhuvaen been seen lately?
20081214 16:46:11< mordante> IIRC he was around shortly not that long ago
20081214 16:46:27< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31494 /trunk/data/campaigns/Two_Brothers/scenarios/1_Rooting_Out_A_Mage.cfg: Fixed bug #12749.
20081214 16:46:42< Rhonda> wesbot: seen rhuvaen
20081214 16:46:42< wesbot> Rhonda: Sorry, I don't know of rhuvaen.
20081214 16:47:35< mordante> I feared that answer of wesbot ;-)
20081214 16:48:56< mordante> but would be great if you can setup some wesnoth email address, when you have time for it Rhonda
20081214 16:49:45< cib0> wesnoth email addresses, that ought to be epic :p
20081214 16:50:07< Rhonda> mordante: It's just editing /etc/aliases on the host. :P
20081214 16:50:25< Rhonda> But again, it won't gain anything as long as the MX does point somewhere else.
20081214 16:50:31< mordante> [16:45]	<Rhonda>	That might take me a bit to set up filtering and blacklists and such.
20081214 16:50:40< Rhonda> Sure.
20081214 16:50:43< Rhonda> That too :)
20081214 16:51:57< mordante> cib0 well it's handy when you post to bugtrackers, that people can see who you are
20081214 16:54:10< cib0> how do you link to a patch again?
20081214 16:54:16< cib0> in this channel?
20081214 16:54:44< mordante> copy the link :-P
20081214 16:55:11< mordante> wesbot patch 1109
20081214 16:55:11< wesbot> mordante: Are you sure with that number?  Please check again...
20081214 16:55:46< mordante> see you need to copy :-/ :-P
20081214 16:55:56< cib0> lol, mkay ;p anyway, im thinking about doing https://gna.org/patch/?1032, but does carrying over players to the next scenario even work properly in general so far?
20081214 16:55:56< mordante> https://gna.org/patch/?1109
20081214 16:56:24< mordante> wesbot patch 1032
20081214 16:56:25< wesbot> Patch #1032  Assigned to: Jérémy Rosen <boucman>  Status: Postponed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20081214 16:56:28< wesbot> Summary: [endlevel][result] tag to allow different scenario results for different sides
20081214 16:56:31< wesbot> Original submission: Implements a [result] tag within [endlevel] tags that all
20081214 16:56:34< wesbot> ows specific sides to be issued specific victory/defeat messages.
20081214 16:56:36< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/patch/?1032
20081214 16:56:39< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=4149
20081214 16:56:51< mordante> no idea what was wrong with 1109
20081214 16:57:45< mordante> carry over works in general, there are some bugs and FR's about it
20081214 16:58:05< mordante> but I haven't had time to look at it, zookeeper would love you if you manage to do it 
20081214 17:04:43< cib0> meh, i fail at using the search.. can you post the most important bugs?
20081214 17:05:02< zookeeper> i can give you some i consider important ;)
20081214 17:05:13< zookeeper> mordante, do you think he could fix the gold carryover bug?
20081214 17:05:27< mordante> I hope so 
20081214 17:06:01< zookeeper> ok, i'll describe that to you then..
20081214 17:07:16< zookeeper> when the new gold carryover system is used (carryover_add=yes in [endlevel]; most mainline campaigns now use that, for example HttT), loading a beginning-of-scenario save results in you starting only with the carryover gold, instead of the scenario's minimum starting gold + carryover gold.
20081214 17:07:57< zookeeper> the gold is correct when starting a scenario after advancing from the previous one, but loading a beginning-of-scenario save screws it up
20081214 17:09:19< cib0> regardless of whether it is a MP campaign or not?
20081214 17:13:13< zookeeper> umm, i guess. i've never fiddled with MP campaigns, but i guess the gold carryover is supposed to work the same for both.
20081214 17:13:47< cib0> yeah
20081214 17:14:17< cib0> also MP campaigns use to have even more bugs when stuff is updated for SP
20081214 17:14:59< zookeeper> oh, and http://gna.org/bugs/?12635 would be a rather simple bug to fix, if you want some warmup first.
20081214 17:16:58 * mordante wishes he had more time to fix bugs :-/
20081214 17:18:21< zookeeper> Soliton, do you have any hunch about what kind of minimum starting gold would be appropriate in EI (not counting the first couple of scenarios where you probably can do just fine with 100)? do you think 200 in all of the later scenarios would be enough?
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20081214 17:23:18< Soliton> been a while since i played EI though i think there aren't that big battles so maybe that's fine.
20081214 17:24:43< cib0> hm, the second bug seems to be due to bad naming.. while passing fogged it's getting renamed to "can_be_fogged" which is the entire opposite.. should i reverse the WML version or rename it to "can_be_fogged"(which is more descriptive IMO)?
20081214 17:28:32< zookeeper> i'd say rather the former
20081214 17:28:48< cib0> ok
20081214 17:29:07< cib0> WML tends to use the shorter names anyway
20081214 17:29:29< zookeeper> yep
20081214 17:32:43< cib0> it is moments like this when i would prefer to use named arguments
20081214 17:33:12< grzywacz> :-)
20081214 17:33:37< grzywacz> Or fluent interfaces, perhaps, but somehow it gets ugly in either Wesnoth or C++ (?) ;)
20081214 17:35:30< cib0> would it be ok to do something like can_be_fogged=!fogged and work with that?
20081214 17:36:36< grzywacz> "!="?
20081214 17:37:01< grzywacz> From the description of the bug, it seems to me it should rather be "="...
20081214 17:38:12< cib0> well, in WML it is fogged while in C++ it is can_be_fogged in the end, so i need to convert to can_be_fogged with !
20081214 17:38:30< mordante> cib0 yes the naming of that part is really bad
20081214 17:38:54< grzywacz> I'm not looking at the code atm, but "fogged=yes should make the item be hidden under fog"
20081214 17:39:01< mordante> grzywacz what do you mean with fluent interfaces?
20081214 17:39:43< grzywacz> mordante, methods returning a reference to the same object, so you can easily chain setters with descriptive names instead of feeding xy parameters to the constructor.
20081214 17:39:57< grzywacz> or you can setup a factory-like class and then finish the call chain with .build() or something
20081214 17:40:13< grzywacz> mordante, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluent_interface
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20081214 17:40:44< grzywacz> 2nd example there shows what I mean.
20081214 17:41:17< zookeeper> Soliton, ok, i'll try to improvise...maybe someone will playtest it afterwards :P
20081214 17:41:31< cib0> neat
20081214 17:41:41< mordante> I never heard the term before and wasn't sure whether it was about the code or the GUI
20081214 17:41:46< grzywacz> code :)
20081214 17:41:47< cib0> with my new labtop and ccache i can rebuild wesnoth in 1 minute now
20081214 17:42:15< mordante> but we talked about it before and I used some of those ideas in the ttext class
20081214 17:42:17< grzywacz> Does ccache really help if you use scons?
20081214 17:42:18< cib0> or maybe it is scons? anyway, this makes development alot easier
20081214 17:42:33< grzywacz> cib0, more like scons, it's smarter about not rebuilding stuff
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20081214 17:45:14< loonycyborg> ccache is really useful with scons if you do bisections.
20081214 17:46:47< grzywacz> loonycyborg, it uses different locations?
20081214 17:47:00< loonycyborg> grzywacz: ?
20081214 17:47:19< grzywacz> loonycyborg, why in case of bisections?
20081214 17:48:13< AI0867> because git checks the whole tree out for every commit you check
20081214 17:48:14< loonycyborg> Because you often recompile same sources as before, but were changed since then.
20081214 17:48:18< AI0867> meaning the modification date changes
20081214 17:48:26< grzywacz> loonycyborg, ah right, ok.
20081214 17:48:31< grzywacz> AI0867, scons doesn't use dates
20081214 17:48:36< AI0867> it doesn't?
20081214 17:48:39< grzywacz> No, md5sums
20081214 17:48:42< AI0867> k
20081214 17:48:52< AI0867> I guess that's a good thing
20081214 17:48:57< grzywacz> Yes. :)
20081214 17:49:09< grzywacz> As long as the file is the same, why bother with dates?
20081214 17:57:42< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31495 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/ (14 files): Upped starting gold amounts a little bit.
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20081214 18:07:21< cib0> image = items/altar.png <- is this a correct image path?
20081214 18:08:58< AI0867> yes
20081214 18:17:59< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31496 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/ (15 files): Added missing team names (as much as possible without new strings) and did a few other minor cleanups.
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20081214 18:22:46< cib0> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m51bb89a2 the image wont be placed on the map, i dont know why
20081214 18:23:31< zookeeper> maybe the spaces.
20081214 18:23:47< AI0867> but the path is correct
20081214 18:30:41< cib0> removing the spaces worked
20081214 18:30:52< cib0> i thought the preprocessor would auto-strip spaces
20081214 18:31:54< zookeeper> was it the coords or the path?
20081214 18:32:12< Soliton> probably only when you quote.
20081214 18:32:38< cib0> path
20081214 18:33:05< Soliton> coords would get stripped when split.
20081214 18:34:00< mordante> if the spaces need to be stripped you need to use a quoted string
20081214 18:34:05< zookeeper> i'd guess the problem is the space before =, not after
20081214 18:34:49< mordante> it now looks for " image/altar.png"
20081214 18:35:08< zookeeper> sounds like an ok idea to me to strip that whitespace
20081214 18:35:40< Soliton> i doubt the space before = is the problem.
20081214 18:35:43< zookeeper> it's not like anyone would not use quotes if they intend there to be preceding or trailing whitespace
20081214 18:35:43< mordante> IIRC that was the original behaviour but it got changed at some point
20081214 18:35:52< zookeeper> right
20081214 18:36:33< mordante> I'm quite sure it's the one after, I've been bitten by often due to something = true being false
20081214 18:36:56< Soliton> any idea why it was changed?
20081214 18:37:20< Soliton> i can't imagine a case where it'd hurt to strip the spaces after =.
20081214 18:37:44< mordante> well if you need a space ;-)
20081214 18:37:58< mordante> but " foo" would be better in that case
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20081214 18:38:37< Soliton> exactly and the question is where would you need that space.
20081214 18:38:59< zookeeper> no one in their right mind would rely on the whitespace not getting stripped, so if one needs whitespace he'll just quote
20081214 18:39:09< mordante> I agree with zookeeper 
20081214 18:39:45< mordante> Soliton " * option" in a dialog to avoid markup
20081214 18:41:05< Soliton> and there are cases of that without quotes?
20081214 18:42:05< mordante> not sure, but like I said I agree with zookeeper ;-)
20081214 18:56:33 * mordante hits his head against wall
20081214 18:56:50< mordante> or I just use git to find the answer
20081214 18:58:00< mordante> wesbot rev 29236
20081214 18:58:08< mordante> wesbot log 29236
20081214 18:58:09< wesbot> suokko * r29236 : Fixed parser not to discard leading spaces
20081214 18:58:09< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=29236
20081214 18:58:28< mordante> Soliton ^ and I don't know why
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20081214 18:59:05< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31497 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/07a.The_Crossing.cfg: Fixed the WML cleanup I broke.
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20081214 19:00:51< Soliton> anything program generated would have quotes, right? so it can only be about usermade WML?
20081214 19:01:42< mordante> yes or should be modified to do so I guess
20081214 19:02:13< mordante> also can't really remember a discussion why it was changed
20081214 19:02:42< Soliton> me neither. the "Fixed" sounds suspicious though.
20081214 19:03:43< Soliton> actually more non-sensical since it was clearly intended behaviour and not a bug.
20081214 19:04:18< Soliton> i'd say revert and see if anything breaks.
20081214 19:05:31< zookeeper> i don't see any discussion about it in my irc logs.
20081214 19:07:07< mordante> I'm also looking in the logs
20081214 19:07:21< Soliton> no hits from: grep '^ *[a-z]+ *= *[^"]' data/ -r
20081214 19:07:46< Soliton> hmm.
20081214 19:07:56< Soliton> bad syntax.
20081214 19:08:28< mordante> I have something in the log of 03-09-2008 around 10:36 still reading
20081214 19:09:36< AI0867> I see a [filter_attack] and a [filter_weapon], there is documentation on the wiki that's *probably* about [filter_weapon]
20081214 19:09:42< AI0867> anyone know what the other does?
20081214 19:12:17< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31498 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/07a.The_Crossing.cfg: More fixing.
20081214 19:14:30< mordante> it looks like it caused troubles with the new config cache, hence the fixed message
20081214 19:14:52< mordante> so I suspect reverting it might cause quite some breakage
20081214 19:17:36< AI0867> zookeeper: are the two tags equivalent and just used in different contexts?
20081214 19:18:02< zookeeper> AI0867, i don't know, really. better ask sapient
20081214 19:19:07< zookeeper> not that i know what contexts those appear in.
20081214 19:19:21< Soliton> mordante: any idea what the problem might be?
20081214 19:20:06< mordante> not really but I do remember we had quite some breakage in trunk just after we added the new config cache
20081214 19:20:17< mordante> so I think it's related
20081214 19:21:02< mordante> unfortunately I needed some extra discspace for a short while emptied ccache and removed all wesnoth build
20081214 19:21:09< mordante> rebuilding now and test afterwards
20081214 19:23:05< AI0867> zookeeper: [animation], [event] and [effect] apply_to={attack,remove_attacks}
20081214 19:23:24< AI0867> though in the case of [effect], the filter is implicit
20081214 19:23:55< AI0867> [animation] uses [filter_attack], [event] uses [filter_weapon]
20081214 19:24:30< zookeeper> animations use different stuff
20081214 19:24:50< zookeeper> it probably has a separate implementation of it and all
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20081214 19:37:01< Sapient> yo cib
20081214 19:40:56< mordante> Soliton reverting 29236 causes trunk to fail with an unknown unit type. After applying 29236 trunk works again
20081214 19:41:41< mordante> so the commit does fix a problem (but maybe there's a better way to fix it without the need for the current behaviour)
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20081214 19:49:41< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31499 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/maps/ (19 files): Added some forested hills and cleaned up map borders a bit.
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20081214 20:07:54< mordante> thespaceinvader your augur portrait looks really nice :-)
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20081214 20:12:07< CIA-8> loonycyborg * r31500 /trunk/projectfiles/ (CodeBlocks/wesnoth.cbp Dev-C++/wesnoth.dev): Committed McShark's projectfiles update.
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20081214 20:30:51< thespaceinvader> mordante: thanks =)
20081214 20:31:07< loonycyborg> mordante: I've investigated that formula problem with mingw gcc further. It appears that for those particular versions of mingw gcc boost::regex refuses to match digits :/
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20081214 20:39:44 * crimson_penguin wonders when soon is
20081214 20:40:04< grzywacz> Soon™?
20081214 20:40:19< voris> He refers to the topic I think.
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20081214 20:43:40< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: whenever i feel like
20081214 20:43:42< Ivanovic> ;)
20081214 20:43:49< crimson_penguin> :)
20081214 20:44:08< Ivanovic> might be tomorrow
20081214 20:44:13< Ivanovic> i think i don't feel like today...
20081214 20:44:14< crimson_penguin> doesn't actually matter to me; I've already got my copy :P
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20081214 20:52:59< Soliton> mordante: weird. guess someone has to investigate a bit deeper...
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20081214 20:55:46< [Relic]> Hello :)
20081214 21:09:06 * zookeeper again asks for the first [message] of an event to have a minimum duration
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20081214 21:50:26< mordante> loonycyborg well that explains it and (luckily) something we can't do anything about
20081214 21:50:58< mordante> Soliton yes, but I won't add it to my lis, it's way too long already
20081214 22:30:49< Ivanovic> who is maintaining sotbe?
20081214 22:30:52< Ivanovic> is this you, zookeeper?
20081214 22:30:55< Ivanovic> [22:30:17] <Crommy> <255,255,255>Bonus objective:\n@Defeat the enemy leader\n`(early finish bonus)
20081214 22:33:06< Ivanovic> does it maybe make sense to move the "<255,255,255>" part out of the translatable part?
20081214 22:43:27< zookeeper> possibly
20081214 22:43:36< zookeeper> i can do those conversions if you want
20081214 22:43:57< mordante> and in that case also the @ and ` ?
20081214 22:45:07< zookeeper> are translators getting confused by all that?
20081214 22:45:23< Ivanovic> i'd guess that at least the ` is easily lost
20081214 22:45:42< mordante> crommy (the German translator) is confused
20081214 22:47:10< mordante> and I can imagine it might look odd for a translator, who's not familiar with WML
20081214 22:47:24< zookeeper> if it's now description= _ "<255,255,255>Bonus objective:\n@Defeat the enemy leader\n`(early finish bonus)" then i can change that to something like description="<255,255,255>"+_"Bonus objective:"+"\n@"+_"Defeat the enemy leader"+"\n`"+_"(early finish bonus)"
20081214 22:49:49< mordante> I think it's easier for translators, not sure whether it's harder to maintain from the WML pov
20081214 22:51:13< zookeeper> well it's a bit messier, but not such a big deal i guess
20081214 22:52:11< voris> The only downside I have noticed is when concatenating strings I can get line breaks earlier than I'd otherwise prefer that won't show up if I don't employ concatenation.
20081214 22:55:00< mordante> that's odd and I might even consider that a bug
20081214 22:55:33< Soliton> concatenation shouldn't have any side effects.
20081214 22:58:40< zookeeper> yep
20081214 22:59:32< AI0867> wesbot: seen sapient
20081214 22:59:32< wesbot> AI0867: The person with the nick Sapient last spoke 3h 22m ago.  2h 20m ago they left with the message:
20081214 22:59:53< voris> I was wondering if it was a bug worthy thing. It's on my list.
20081214 23:04:34< voris> ha, it's a human operator defect bug though
20081214 23:05:17< Soliton> ah, those are nasty.
20081214 23:05:18< voris> "{COST}" + _ " gold: Full Heal and Cure" == no early line break
20081214 23:05:32< voris> {COST} + _ " gold: Full Heal and Cure" == early line break
20081214 23:06:03< zookeeper> that's funny.
20081214 23:06:19< AI0867> macro definition or expansion?
20081214 23:06:56< AI0867> how is {COST} defined?
20081214 23:07:11< Ivanovic> i am off to bed, n8
20081214 23:07:20< mordante> night Ivanovic 
20081214 23:07:47< voris> macro definition
20081214 23:08:09< voris> #define SXVE_SHOP_FULL_HEAL_AND_CURE_OPTION COST
20081214 23:08:28< zookeeper> and the contents?
20081214 23:09:16< Soliton> probably includes a linebreak.
20081214 23:09:28< zookeeper> yup
20081214 23:09:32< Soliton> which is ignored in the unqoted form.
20081214 23:09:52< voris> of cost?
20081214 23:10:05< Soliton> yes.
20081214 23:10:15< zookeeper> oh, err, nevermind. i was confused.
20081214 23:10:20< voris> Oh just a simple string.
20081214 23:10:31< Soliton> where is the #enddef?
20081214 23:10:55< zookeeper> COST is an argument, not a macro
20081214 23:11:26< voris> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d1a4c18c1
20081214 23:11:37< voris> Yes.
20081214 23:11:46< Soliton> oh, i see.
20081214 23:12:24< Soliton> then i guess it depends how you use the macro but that seems odd.
20081214 23:12:24< zookeeper> well, no idea about that. gotta be going anyway, bye.
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20081214 23:13:27< voris> I'm guessing the unquoted form doesn't expand in time to factor into deciding how wide to draw the message box.
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20081214 23:24:28< mordante> night
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20081214 23:25:57< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31501 /trunk/data/tools/wmltest: Clean up some code, fixing an ordering bug.
20081214 23:26:24< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31502 /trunk/data/tools/Makefile: Add a 'test' target to tools makefile.
20081214 23:26:29< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31503 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmlgrammar.py: Ensure the actual ability names appear.
20081214 23:26:33< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31504 /trunk/data/tools/ (wesnoth/wmlgrammar.py wmltest): Added [filter_attack].
20081214 23:26:37< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31505 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmlgrammar.py: Have more tags show their own name, document this.
20081214 23:26:40< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31506 /trunk/data/tools/Makefile: Make a comment show properly.
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20081214 23:57:13< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31507 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmlparser.py: Stop wmlparser from crashing on empty files.
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