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20081215 00:37:16< CIA-8> soliton * r31508 /trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20081215 00:37:16< CIA-8> * Decreased the range attack of the Drake Flare from 7-4 to 6-4.
20081215 00:37:16< CIA-8> * Decreased the range attack of the Drake Flamehart from 9-4 to 8-4.
20081215 00:37:16< CIA-8> * Increased the cost of the Goblin Spearman from 8 to 9.
20081215 00:37:16< CIA-8> * Decreased the cost of the Sergeant from 20 to 19.
20081215 00:37:19< CIA-8> * Decreased the HP of the Sergeant from 36 to 32.
20081215 00:37:21< CIA-8> * Decreased the HP of the Lieutenant from 48 to 40.
20081215 00:37:34< CIA-8> soliton * r31509 /trunk/ (data/core/macros/traits.cfg doc/manual/manual.txt): updated the healthy trait description
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20081215 00:48:28< AI0867> esr: can you take a look at data/tools/wesnoth/wmlparser.py:611 and tell me if there's any need at all for the second iterator?
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20081215 01:05:40< AI0867> nevermind, I took it out and it works fine
20081215 01:05:49< AI0867> but my confidence in the wmlparser code keeps dropping
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20081215 01:36:07< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31510 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmlgrammar.py: Add a key I overlooked.
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20081215 02:38:13< Sapient> hey there AI
20081215 02:43:53< AI0867> hey Sapient
20081215 02:44:13< AI0867> 19:09 < AI0867> I see a [filter_attack] and a [filter_weapon], there is documentation on the wiki that's *probably* about [filter_weapon]
20081215 02:44:25< AI0867> [animation], [event] and [effect] apply_to={attack,remove_attacks}
20081215 02:44:25< AI0867> 19:23 < AI0867> though in the case of [effect], the filter is implicit
20081215 02:44:26< AI0867> 19:23 < AI0867> [animation] uses [filter_attack], [event] uses [filter_weapon]
20081215 02:45:08< AI0867> there are 0 uses of [filter_weapon] in mainline or the UMCs I have installed
20081215 02:45:46< Sapient> I think that was changed at one point
20081215 02:45:59< Sapient> someone objected to the term "weapon"
20081215 02:46:26< AI0867> well, the code still uses "filter_weapon" somewhere
20081215 02:46:53< AI0867> unit_abilities.cpp
20081215 02:49:56< Sapient> AI0867: Xan wrote AbilitiesWML and it contains a lot of nanstandard filter names
20081215 02:50:24< Sapient> it was written before I started unifying and standardizing the filters
20081215 02:51:08< AI0867> k
20081215 02:52:22< Sapient> personally, I don't see anything wrong with filter_weapon
20081215 02:52:49< Sapient> when working on abilities, you should always consult the AbilitiesWML documentation closely
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20081215 02:58:50< AI0867> Sapient: well, abilitiesWML speaks of a "standard weapon filter"
20081215 02:59:24< Sapient> there have recently been some attempts to standardize the weapon filter
20081215 02:59:31< Sapient> by Shadow_Master
20081215 02:59:33< AI0867> k
20081215 02:59:45< Sapient> I'm not sure how far he got
20081215 02:59:49< AI0867> so, the documentation is unclear, but both refer to the same thing?
20081215 03:00:09< Sapient> as I said, I'm not sure how far he got
20081215 03:00:16< AI0867> because both point to FilterWML and that contains only one definition of "Filtering weapons"
20081215 03:00:59< Sapient> in 1.4 weapon filters are *definitely* not standardized
20081215 03:01:20< Sapient> in 1.5 they should be, but you may find places where they are not and let Shadow_Master know
20081215 03:01:36< AI0867> k
20081215 03:02:06< AI0867> I haven't seen them in use anywhere, but I'll assume they're equivalent to [filter_attack] then
20081215 03:02:35< Sapient> or you could check unit_abilities.cpp ;)
20081215 03:07:17< AI0867> yeah =P
20081215 03:08:44< AI0867> which just pushes it to unit.cpp's matches_filter()
20081215 03:09:18< Sapient> or does it?
20081215 03:09:42< AI0867> if (config const *filter_weapon = filter_self->child("filter_weapon")) {
20081215 03:09:42< AI0867> if (!matches_filter(*filter_weapon, true))
20081215 03:09:42< AI0867> return false;
20081215 03:09:42< AI0867> }
20081215 03:10:13< Sapient> that is inside attack_type method
20081215 03:10:18< Sapient> thus it calls attack_type::matches_filter
20081215 03:10:59< Sapient> which appears to be the SWF
20081215 03:12:28< AI0867> C++ can be great at misdirection....
20081215 03:12:44< Sapient> you must not be using a good IDE
20081215 03:13:09< Sapient> at least in C++ it is possible to create accurate browse information when you build it
20081215 03:13:09< AI0867> vi
20081215 03:13:33< Sapient> in Python you would have no way to tell before runtime
20081215 03:13:52< AI0867> okay, looks like [filter_weapon] is indeed equivalent to [filter_attack]
20081215 03:19:49< Sapient> AI: working on a new fraction?
20081215 03:20:11< Sapient> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=325621#p325621
20081215 03:21:16< AI0867> read that
20081215 03:21:36< Sapient> heh. I am easily amused :)
20081215 03:22:10< AI0867> but in dutch, 'faction' and 'fraction' are both 'fractie' and I don't think it's the only language to do that
20081215 03:22:48< Sapient> oh, maybe that is why so many people misspell it
20081215 03:22:59< Soliton> similar in german.
20081215 03:23:39< Sapient> another common mistake is to spell campaign more like champagne
20081215 03:23:40< AI0867> the words have the same origin
20081215 03:23:52< AI0867> and the meaning of 'faction' is still "part of the whole"
20081215 03:24:27< Sapient> recently someone in the user forum asked if anyone could recommend a good champagne; I was tempted to recommend a fine merlot instead ;)
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20081215 03:28:41< Sapient> maybe Dom Pérignon...
20081215 03:44:24< voris> heh
20081215 03:45:40< AI0867> if variables[-1] == "mode": fuck = True <-- I find this a rather odd one
20081215 03:46:03< Sapient> ummm.. probably from esr's code
20081215 03:46:08< Sapient> wmllint?
20081215 03:46:11< AI0867> essentially, if the last variable in an assignment is 'mode', fuck is set to true.
20081215 03:46:14< AI0867> wmlparser
20081215 03:46:19< AI0867> fuck isn't used anywhere
20081215 03:46:59< AI0867> this triggers it /(\w+,)*mode=/
20081215 03:46:59< Sapient> weird
20081215 03:47:04< AI0867> yeah
20081215 03:47:26< AI0867> wmlparser has more of that kind of stuff
20081215 03:48:34< Sapient> if I recall correcly, allefant wrote that
20081215 03:49:18< AI0867> yes
20081215 03:49:22< AI0867> for campgen
20081215 03:49:55< AI0867> it also has comments like: """This should return a new copy of the object, or so I've been told."""
20081215 03:50:11< AI0867> the kind of stuff that sends your confidence in the code plummeting
20081215 03:51:37< voris> lol
20081215 03:51:42< voris> Good lord,.
20081215 03:55:49< Sapient> AI0867: I've never had to use wmlparser before, so I can't testify how well it works (or not)
20081215 03:56:02< Sapient> but I agree with your assessment
20081215 03:56:08< AI0867> well, it's what wmlunits uses
20081215 03:56:18< AI0867> from which you can already spot the first few bugs
20081215 03:56:32< AI0867> like stray underscores and the fact that it feeds on whitespace
20081215 03:57:49< CIA-8> sapient * r31511 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmlparser.py: remove some ugly no-op code
20081215 03:58:00< AI0867> the design of the stringparser also conflicts with how wesnoth uses gettext
20081215 03:58:08< AI0867> though that's a documented issue
20081215 03:59:42< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31512 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmlparser.py: Clean up wmlparser, utilize wmldata.DataText's translatable key.
20081215 03:59:45< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31513 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmlgrammar.py: [filter_weapon] is identical to [filter_attack]
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20081215 04:05:02< AI0867> looks like the stray underscores are a symptom of the whitespace eating
20081215 04:05:27< Sapient> I would like to make an announcement about my 1.6 Features...
20081215 04:05:36< Sapient> looks like I may not complete them in time
20081215 04:06:07< Sapient> I have some problems with my wrists where it is a bit painful to type
20081215 04:06:14< Sapient> as I do this all day long at work
20081215 04:06:29< Sapient> so I won't probably be writing much code soon
20081215 04:06:42< AI0867> it only removes underscores if they're at index 0 or the previous char is ' ' or '=', of course it can't match the whitespace if it's already eaten it
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20081215 04:07:43< Sapient> this includes esr's global_event request
20081215 04:08:11< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20081215 05:16:33< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31514 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmlparser.py: Get rid of stray underscores at the cost of a feature(?) that didn't occur anywhere anyway.
20081215 05:16:52< CIA-8> ai0867 * r31515 /trunk/data/tools/wmlunits: Convert newlines into '\n
' in unit descriptions.
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20081215 08:37:45< mordante> morning
20081215 08:37:58< Turuk> good morning
20081215 08:38:11< Espreon> Hello mordante.
20081215 08:38:18< mordante> hi Turuk, Espreon
20081215 08:38:23< Turuk> early AM here :P
20081215 08:38:43< mordante> 08:38 here
20081215 08:38:50< Espreon> I have to get up in three and a half hours.
20081215 08:39:19< mordante> and are you going to bed or skip another night?
20081215 08:39:27< Turuk> I know, my irc has a lovely local time feature
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20081215 08:39:59< Espreon> mordante: I do not feel like going to bed right now.
20081215 08:40:05< Espreon> Hello Soliton.
20081215 08:40:13< mordante> Turuk you can directly link to a forum post as well eg http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=326062#p326062
20081215 08:40:48< mordante> Espreon why am I not surprised ? :-P
20081215 08:41:06 * Espreon is mainly crepuscular/nocturnal.
20081215 08:41:21< mordante> yeah we discussed that last week ;-)
20081215 08:41:25< Turuk> interesting
20081215 08:41:34 * Turuk notes that for future reference
20081215 08:41:53< Turuk> how do you link to a particular post?
20081215 08:41:57 * Espreon hates the idea of being diurnal.
20081215 08:42:03< mordante> it's the icon next to the text posted, that icon also indicates read//unread
20081215 08:42:35< mordante> I noticed some of your post referring to the 8th post in another thread ;-)
20081215 08:42:59< Turuk> ah yes, I did not know I could do that, hence the explanation
20081215 08:43:12< Turuk> I do not think that the viewing type I use for the forum has that icon...
20081215 08:43:22< mordante> I thought so ;-)
20081215 08:43:32< mordante> it doesn't have a read/unread icon
20081215 08:45:51< Turuk> yeah, I have the mark as read text, but no icon to indicate how to link the post
20081215 08:45:56< Turuk> what should it look like?
20081215 08:46:06< mordante> which look do you use?
20081215 08:46:42< Turuk> subsilver2
20081215 08:46:50< Turuk> I just ran through the others
20081215 08:47:33< mordante> ok I'll make a screenshot
20081215 08:48:18< Turuk> ok
20081215 08:50:23< Soliton> there is an icon next to "Posted: ".
20081215 08:50:55< Turuk> ah, now I understand
20081215 08:50:59< Turuk> got it, thank you Soliton
20081215 08:51:26 * mordante deletes his screenshot
20081215 08:52:37< Turuk> I still appreciate the help too mordante, I did not know I could do that at all until you pointed it out
20081215 08:53:15< mordante> no problem
20081215 08:56:15< mordante> you help use by helping on the forum ;-)
20081215 08:56:57< Turuk> thanks, I try to help others as much as I can
20081215 08:57:58< mordante> we noticed :-)
20081215 08:58:20< Turuk> ah, I appreciate the title as well :)
20081215 08:58:38< Turuk> I am not so good at coding, or art, or anything directly applicable, all I can really do well is write
20081215 08:58:55< Turuk> so I just figured I'd spend as much time as I can helping others around, and in getting their projects off the ground
20081215 09:02:02< mordante> :-)
20081215 09:05:49< Espreon> Well... as I have nothing else to do... good night.
20081215 09:05:57< mordante> night Espreon
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20081215 09:06:16< Turuk> I think I will have to join him, night mordante and Soliton
20081215 09:06:23< mordante> night Turuk
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20081215 15:27:51< AI0867> shikadibot: log head
20081215 15:27:53< shikadibot> Revision 31519 (ai0867, 2008-12-15 14:15:06 +0000 (Mon, 15 Dec 2008)):
20081215 15:27:53< shikadibot> Make complaints more informative using wmldata's new metadata.
20081215 15:27:53< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=31519
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20081215 16:19:53 * AI0867 kicks CIA-8
20081215 16:19:53< CIA-8> ow
20081215 16:23:06< voris> heh
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20081215 17:22:10< Ivanovic> hi
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20081215 18:53:35< fendrin> hi
20081215 18:53:48< mordante> hi fendrin
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20081215 19:03:12< ESR_> mordante: You asked me which name init.cfg or initial.cfg, I wanted to use. I don't care, you're the one with the use case. Which do you prefer?
20081215 19:05:27< mordante> I like the name _initial.cfg better and zookeeper also seemed to prefer that name
20081215 19:06:22< ESR_> OK.
20081215 19:08:48< ESR_> I've already fixed the bug you pointed out in _final.cfg recognition.
20081215 19:09:09< mordante> thanks I already read it in the commit log
20081215 19:10:30 * fendrin kick CIA-8
20081215 19:13:47< fendrin> In which mode is the string freeze? Can I still correct a spelling error?
20081215 19:14:07< mordante> soft and fluffy
20081215 19:15:19< ESR_> Name change committed.
20081215 19:15:55< mordante> thanks
20081215 19:23:48< fendrin> CIA-8: help
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--- Log opened Mon Dec 15 23:51:21 2008
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20081215 23:51:28< Soliton> oh.
20081215 23:51:41< mordante> server up again :-)
20081215 23:51:46< Espreon> Yay!
20081215 23:51:56< voris> hey hey
20081215 23:56:50< loonycyborg> Hm? It seems to be intact. wesnothds and campaignds run as usual.
20081215 23:56:52< AI0867> that was fast
20081215 23:56:53< wesbot> AI0867: Sometimes we are fast
20081215 23:57:32< Soliton> yeah, there are some errors about crashed sql tables though.
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20081215 23:57:48< Soliton> but on first sight things work.
20081215 23:57:51< loonycyborg> Soliton: Did you bring them back really fast or they were running already when it got back up?
20081215 23:58:27< Soliton> they're started at boot.
20081215 23:59:57< loonycyborg> Perhaps OLM's people confused servers again? :)
--- Log closed Tue Dec 16 00:00:15 2008