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20081220 00:01:07< Soliton> check with --log-info=ai to see whether they dislikes the rocklobber for some reason.
20081220 00:04:01< Soliton> and if that's the problem you can use the recruitment_ignore_bad_* keys to override.
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20081220 00:08:14< fendrin> Soliton: thank you. But the output with this commandline option is just too much.
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20081220 00:10:49< Soliton> grep for "recommending not to use" and "recommending against recruiting".
20081220 00:13:31< fendrin> Soliton: shouldn't the recruitment_pattern force the ai to recruit an unit of the specific usecase, no matter what?
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20081220 00:19:30< Soliton> fendrin: yes, with a certain probability of course.
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20081220 00:31:12< terminhell> hey ohs
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20081220 00:32:01< terminhell> so i have a custom unit if been tinkering with but i cant seem to add it into any recruit list?
20081220 00:34:49< fendrin> terminhell: Where do you have that unit?
20081220 00:35:27< terminhell> its a modified matriarch of darkness
20081220 00:35:32< terminhell> so uhm
20081220 00:36:15< terminhell> /campaigns/Era_of_Magic/units/warlocks/
20081220 00:38:24< fendrin> terminhell: You have only access to that unit if you choose that era in mp. If you are developing a campaign, copy that unit into it.
20081220 00:39:29< terminhell> thats just it, i just want mp access
20081220 00:39:55< terminhell> i can select it from debug 
20081220 00:39:56< CIA-8> mordante * r31565 /trunk/ (11 files in 5 dirs): Adding new portraits upon Jetryl's request.
20081220 00:42:05< mordante> Jetrel ^
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20081220 00:45:34< terminhell> so how do i add a unit to an existing campaign?
20081220 00:47:31< mordante> night
20081220 00:47:39< fendrin> mordante: bye
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20081220 00:47:53< fendrin> terminhell: put it under it's units directory.
20081220 00:49:00< AI0867> Soliton: well, I got the server to receive the [end_turn], but now it's complaining that it's receiving too many of them, or rather, that player 4 is sending one for player 3
20081220 00:49:14< terminhell> ?
20081220 00:49:14< terminhell> as far as i know it is. i just copied/renamed an existing unit
20081220 00:52:38< fendrin> terminhell: The renaming, did that include the id? It's the id that has to fit the recurit list.
20081220 00:54:11< terminhell> hmm
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20081220 00:57:14< terminhell> some of the units in the dir have an I8 infront of them and others dont, but then in other files every unit has I8 prefix
20081220 00:57:30< terminhell> i think im just missing the big picture
20081220 00:58:29< fendrin> terminhell: Maybe you talk about filenames. I talk about the id= attribute in the file.
20081220 00:59:28< Soliton> AI0867: well, fix that then? :-)
20081220 01:00:56< AI0867> I'm trying...
20081220 01:01:05< AI0867> I have no clue which part is causing it
20081220 01:01:20< AI0867> well, I do, but I have no idea how to filter for network players at that point
20081220 01:01:29< AI0867> as it's in playsingle_controller
20081220 01:01:53< Soliton> sounds like you have to filter for active player maybe?
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20081220 01:02:37< terminhell> fendrin: i think i may see what your talkn boot....brb
20081220 01:02:41< AI0867> the 'active' player?
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20081220 01:04:52< Soliton> AI0867: well, just the active player should send the end turn not everyone.
20081220 01:06:32< terminhell> fendrin: :) thx, i thought i had tried that earlier but i guess i was wrong
20081220 01:07:24< fendrin> terminhell: You can recruit it now?
20081220 01:07:38< terminhell> fendrin: yes
20081220 01:07:47< fendrin> terminhell: What was wrong?
20081220 01:09:06< terminhell> fendrin: honestly im not sure, maybe a spelling error lol, i did cut down the name size from "I8 Tharis_MatriarchOfDestruction" to just "I8 Tharis_mod" -,^
20081220 01:09:57< AI0867> Soliton: yes, but how do I filter on that?  play_turn() loops over all sides and executes all of them, ignorant of whether they local or not
20081220 01:10:03< AI0867> so *all* networked clients do that
20081220 01:10:54< terminhell> g/l with that
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20081220 01:13:36< Soliton> AI0867: check how play_side() does it.
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20081220 01:29:36< Soliton> i learned somthing new about software today.
20081220 01:30:40< Soliton> apparently there are no bugs or an error would display and if something goes wrong it must mean someone hacked you because anyone can, really.
20081220 01:31:58< voris> *giggle*
20081220 01:31:59< Soliton> (someone just freaked out in a game because the screen flashed and he couldn't move his units.)
20081220 01:32:29< Soliton> naturally he could but accuse the other players of cheating.
20081220 01:33:14< voris> I really do consider it a major flaw that you have not tracked down every bug and installed dialogs for them.
20081220 01:33:22< Soliton> i was one of them. i did not tell him that i indeed "hack" wesnoth. :-P
20081220 01:33:22< voris> ;)
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20081220 01:49:24< CIA-8> fendrin * r31566 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/05_Saurian_Treasury.cfg: LoW 05: Marks for the Guard units which need to be killed.
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20081220 02:22:09< fendrin> ESR_: A section of journey.cfg that contains a bug is marked as risky to Hand-hack. The trackplacer config file for low is where?
20081220 02:23:13< AI0867> journey.cfg *is* the trackplacer config file
20081220 02:28:17< AI0867> well, I've fixed the bug in one specific case, but in the process I managed to break dark forecast...
20081220 02:33:05< fendrin> AI0867: And what file does it generate?
20081220 02:35:43< AI0867> fendrin: journey.cfg
20081220 02:35:54< fendrin> hell
20081220 02:36:02< Espreon_> AI0867: What is this "the bug?'
20081220 02:36:04< Espreon_> *"
20081220 02:36:10< AI0867> trackplacer reads the parts between # trackplacer: start (or something) and # trackplacer: end
20081220 02:36:47< AI0867> Espreon_: [end_turn] crashing wesnoth if used in certain events
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20081220 02:36:58< Espreon_> Ah.
20081220 02:37:02< AI0867> the fix for that is pretty easy, the hard part is not breaking MP ;)
20081220 02:39:34< fendrin> AI0867: Nearly all of the journey.cfg file is between this trackplacer statements. Can't see the part that got generated.
20081220 02:40:12< AI0867> fendrin: that's what it reads AND writes
20081220 02:40:22< AI0867> the rest is what it leaves alone
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20081220 07:13:29< ESR_> fendrin: I'm back.  You had a question about trackplacer?
20081220 07:13:59< Sapient> wb, esr
20081220 07:14:39< Espreon_> ESR_: I think AI0867 explained it to him well enough.
20081220 07:16:14< Sapient> my wesnoth is so broken
20081220 07:16:36< Sapient> crashes while reading unit files
20081220 07:16:56 * Espreon_ wishes he had a thing of Diet Coke and some mint Mentos.
20081220 07:16:58< Sapient> I haven't been able to run it since the memory management changes
20081220 07:18:00< Sapient> ... I'm tempted to just commit these changes without testing
20081220 07:18:13< Espreon_> Ummmmm...
20081220 07:18:17< Sapient> since I've spent 5x as much time waiting for it to build and run
20081220 07:19:16< Sapient> and now it's crashing in (I assume) the libpthread
20081220 07:21:28< Sapient> any volunteers want to help me test a quick WML change?
20081220 07:22:29< Espreon_> No thanks... Maybe if I was not sick of coding right now, I would test it.
20081220 07:24:14< Espreon_> Sapient: Good luck in finding a volunteer.
20081220 07:24:19< Espreon_> Good night everyone.
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20081220 08:12:31< CIA-8> sapient * r31567 /trunk/ (changelog src/game_events.cpp): ignore whitespace at the beginning or end of event names (this also allows whitespace after commas when specifying multiple names)
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20081220 08:46:15< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31568 /trunk/data/multiplayer/ (45 files in 2 dirs): Map updates from doc paterson.
20081220 08:46:44< mordante> morning
20081220 08:46:49< Sapient> yo mordante
20081220 08:46:58< mordante> hi Sapient 
20081220 08:50:52< mordante> Sapient doesn't disabling the new malloc fix your problems?
20081220 08:51:33< Sapient> it wasn't enough to -D it... I had to remove the poolalloc file from the C::B project
20081220 08:51:43< Sapient> now it seems to work
20081220 08:52:14< mordante> nice :-)
20081220 08:52:37< Sapient> yeah, I was finally able to check in my little change ;)
20081220 08:57:10< mordante> Sapient just curious but would have utils::split also been able to do the job?
20081220 08:57:48< Sapient> I specifically chose not to use utils::split
20081220 08:58:36< Sapient> because it would do extra work and not have exactly the behavior I wanted
20081220 08:59:02< Sapient> the method I wrote is very fast, very efficient, and it does exactly what is intended-- nothing more
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20081220 09:00:42< Sapient> the only disadvantage is it's a bit more verbose and harder to understand; but it it works perfectly that shouldn't be a problem
20081220 09:03:47< mordante> ok, I was just curious
20081220 09:06:25< zookeeper> Sapient, i wonder if single [unit]s should have a to_variable= key...for creating the unit directly into a variable instead of onto the map.
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20081220 09:07:22< Sapient> zookeeper: an interesting proposal, I suppose :)
20081220 09:07:32< Sapient> how often is that really needed though?
20081220 09:07:40< Sapient> should be an easy coding feature
20081220 09:08:19< zookeeper> eh, not really often. i guess it'd mostly just be convenient if you need to create bogus units just to extract some stats from them or something.
20081220 09:10:33< zookeeper> like, just now i'm writing something where a unit is created, but is move_unit_faked as appearing from a location with another unit...so i can't create the new unit in place and then move it, but i also can't set the correct gender for the move_unit_fake because the unit hasn't yet been created, and i'm not gonna write some manual gender randomization just to get that right.
20081220 09:10:51< zookeeper> little things like that :)
20081220 09:10:57< Sapient> I See
20081220 09:11:33< zookeeper> if there was a to_variable=, i'd just create the unit into a variable, then move_unit_fake it with its correct gender, then unstore to the right location
20081220 09:11:40< Sapient> you know, you can create the unit onto the sides recall list already
20081220 09:11:47< Sapient> by supplying invalid x,y
20081220 09:11:55< zookeeper> yeah but it's an enemy side, it doesn't have one
20081220 09:12:52< Sapient> k
20081220 09:13:08< zookeeper> oh btw, being able to supply the coordinates of where to unstore to in [unstore_unit] would be nice. i hate doing that whole {VARIABLE stored_unit.x 11} business every time ;)
20081220 09:14:44< Sapient> good idea
20081220 09:15:02< Sapient> you are full of them today
20081220 09:15:23< Sapient> I may commit those two in a bit here
20081220 09:15:25< zookeeper> yeah well, i come up with ideas constantly when writing WML ;)
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20081220 09:38:12< CIA-8> sapient * r31569 /trunk/ (changelog src/game_events.cpp): * New attribute to_variable= in [unit] to spawn directly into a variable
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20081220 09:38:46< zookeeper> cool.
20081220 09:39:03< Sapient> didn't test it but it was like a two liner
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20081220 09:56:04< CIA-8> sapient * r31570 /trunk/ (changelog src/game_events.cpp): New attributes x,y= in [unstore_unit] to override unit location
20081220 09:56:07< Sapient> zookeeper: done
20081220 09:58:47< Sapient> did you ever get your own build environment set up to build wesnoth.exe?
20081220 09:58:54< zookeeper> nope
20081220 09:59:02< loonycyborg> Sapient: Did you?
20081220 09:59:09< Sapient> loonycyborg: yes
20081220 09:59:29< loonycyborg> IIRC you said that it was unstable..
20081220 09:59:57< Sapient> it seems to finally be working now
20081220 10:01:02< loonycyborg> I know of one thing that can cause crashes: using boost compiled with gcc-3.4.5 while compiling with 4.2, 4.3
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20081220 10:01:26< zookeeper> Sapient, shouldn't "[filter] [not][/not][/filter] [and] x,y=$x1,$y1 radius=2 [/and]" (SLF) store all unitless locations around x1,y1 even if x1,y1 contains a unit?
20081220 10:01:48< Sapient> no
20081220 10:02:15< Sapient> [filter] means it must have a unit, then [not] means that all units will be rejected
20081220 10:02:23< Sapient> so it would store nothing
20081220 10:02:38< zookeeper> duh! of course.
20081220 10:02:43< zookeeper> i think i've messed that up before.
20081220 10:03:36< Sapient> so where do you get your trunk builds, zookeeper?
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20081220 10:05:35< zookeeper> from http://www.wesnoth.org/files/hidden/win/
20081220 10:06:04< Sapient> ah, are those automatically generated?
20081220 10:06:23< loonycyborg> No. Semi-automatically :)
20081220 10:07:36< Sapient> zookeeper: I just uploaded an executable for trunk http://wesnoth.happyspork.com/files/
20081220 10:09:06< Sapient> I would appreciate it if you tested out those changes
20081220 10:11:09< zookeeper> hmm, ok, i'll give it a go in a moment
20081220 10:11:36< Sapient> is it true that in the campaign 'The Rise of Wesnoth', the saurians are trading metal to the naga?
20081220 10:12:27< loonycyborg> http://www.wesnoth.org/files/hidden/win/ was just updated :)
20081220 10:12:54< Sapient> thanks, loonycyborg
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20081220 10:17:25< Soliton> Sapient: afair they do talk about something like that, yes. maybe the other way around.
20081220 10:17:44< Sapient> do you recall around which scenario?
20081220 10:17:53< Sapient> there's like 27 of them
20081220 10:17:56< Soliton> one of the challenges.
20081220 10:18:24< Soliton> 17b_A_Beach
20081220 10:18:33< Sapient> thanks
20081220 10:18:56< Soliton> "We must protect the saurians. We need the metal!"
20081220 10:20:28< Sapient> so the saurians are "hard at work" providing "metal" which is needed by the nagas
20081220 10:20:49< zookeeper> Sapient, crashes without errors when the title screen menus should come up
20081220 10:21:25< Sapient> zookeeper: oh well. your dlls must conflict with mine
20081220 10:21:26< zookeeper> err, i mean, without anything in stderr
20081220 10:30:24< Sapient> you can use loony's though
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20081220 10:39:54< Ivanovic> moin
20081220 10:39:58< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20081220 10:40:20< mordante> Ivanovic devdocs.wesnoth.org seems to be down, guess not restarted after the crash
20081220 10:40:29< loonycyborg> Sapient: Your new binary works fine for me under wine now(provided that I add iconv.dll and libintl3.dll)
20081220 10:40:43< Sapient> oh, ok
20081220 10:40:50< Sapient> good
20081220 10:41:23 * loonycyborg has no idea why missing dlls don't cause error message boxes on windows sometimes
20081220 10:41:59< mordante> you don't want to make troubleshooting easy, would you?
20081220 10:42:02< mordante> :-p
20081220 10:42:38< Sapient> I am beginning to get sick of Windows definitely
20081220 10:43:12< Sapient> I can't install the critical IE6 patch unless I install the Windows Genuine Advantage B.S.
20081220 10:43:31< zookeeper> really? ah, good to know.
20081220 10:43:38< loonycyborg> E.g. I'm not getting them if I run wenoth from cmd.exe but I get them if I run wesnoth from Total Commander.
20081220 10:43:41< Sapient> even worse, it started installing genuine advantage with no warning
20081220 10:43:54< Sapient> I had to hit Cancel very quickly to avoid bricking my OS
20081220 10:44:33< Sapient> it just told me I needed to update my Windows Update to the latest version >:(
20081220 10:46:18 * mordante wonders what the advantage is for the avarage user
20081220 10:46:41< Sapient> the "genuine advantage" is nothing short of a smug-faced lie
20081220 10:46:50 * mordante hits his head, silly me, it's an advantage for microsoft
20081220 10:47:19< Sapient> it's basically an attempt to FORCE digital rights management upon XP users
20081220 10:47:51< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31571 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/05.Northern_Outpost.cfg: Rewrote the village bandit code.
20081220 10:48:05< Sapient> if I don't call up Microsoft and give them the right code then I may not even be able to get to my files, e.g.
20081220 10:48:19< Sapient> sort of like extortion
20081220 10:49:22< mordante> yes I really wonder why companies try so hard to scare away their legal customers
20081220 10:50:00< mordante> I mean if you use a cracked version you can just use the software without all the hassles
20081220 10:51:04< Sapient> the situation with OEM licenses is really unfavorable as well
20081220 10:51:25< Sapient> the "advantage" is that I can't repair my copy of Windows
20081220 10:52:18< mordante> ah so some other company can repair it and make profit ;-)
20081220 10:52:40< mordante> how nice of Microsoft to think of others as well
20081220 10:53:47< Sapient> yeah, they make most of their money off of their office products anyways
20081220 10:53:54< Sapient> it doesn't make much sense
20081220 10:56:23< Sapient> I'm pretty sure I'll be using some flavor of Linux for my next computer
20081220 10:56:48< mordante> indeed not at all and I slowly start to fear Microsoft will get in a rough time in a few year
20081220 10:57:04< Ivanovic> mordante: please remind me in 2h about devdocs.wesnoth.org
20081220 10:57:15< mordante> Ivanovic ok
20081220 10:57:21< boucman> economical crisis won't help microsoft...
20081220 10:57:39< mordante> I wonder what happens when Mac starts to enter the netbook segment
20081220 10:58:28< boucman> well, knowing apple, they might miss one of the essential qualities of netbooks
20081220 10:58:31< boucman> cheap
20081220 10:58:52< Sapient> there is already a nice netbook available; it's just a matter of convincing people it's worth the price
20081220 10:59:30< mordante> yes but most people can't make head or tails from the specs so buy something cheap
20081220 10:59:33 * Ivanovic still prefers "normal" laptops with ~12"
20081220 10:59:40< Ivanovic> (and a decent display!)
20081220 10:59:44< boucman> remember that the eee catched an audiance by selling as the laptop at less than 300$, not as the laptop at less than 1kg
20081220 10:59:51< Ivanovic> those are portable and even got enough power to really work on them
20081220 11:00:18< Ivanovic> boucman: yeah, but now the newer ones are more like 450 to 500, too
20081220 11:00:26< boucman> Ivanovic: it's a question of need more than a question of taste
20081220 11:00:33< Ivanovic> so the price advantage is almost gone
20081220 11:00:47 * loonycyborg recently got an eeepc which makes a very nice smart terminal for his desktop :)
20081220 11:00:53< Sapient> oh, I thought you were talking about "book" devices such as the Kindle
20081220 11:00:59< boucman> most of my friends have huge laptops that they never move around, except when going on holydays with a car
20081220 11:01:19< Ivanovic> hehe, i carry my laptop/table around with me all day at uni
20081220 11:01:21 * mordante also considers to buy a netbook
20081220 11:01:31< Ivanovic> and do the uni work on it, too
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20081220 11:02:26< mordante> only it seems that it's hard to find one with Linux :-( (Dutch webshops seem to make it hard to search by OS)
20081220 11:02:59< Ivanovic> i think acer is basically using almost only linux
20081220 11:03:05< Ivanovic> and some asus devices are linux, too
20081220 11:03:30< mordante> yes but I need to click three pages deep to find the OS
20081220 11:03:44< loonycyborg> My eeepc is linux, but the distro sucks :(
20081220 11:03:45< mordante> and I can't get a simple overview of all Linux machines
20081220 11:04:07< mordante> I didn't say I wanted to keep the original distro ;-)
20081220 11:04:46< loonycyborg> That why I mostly use firefox and ssh on it :)
20081220 11:04:47< mordante> and to put an extra insult to those Linux machines, they try to sell Windows software with it
20081220 11:05:00< Sapient> lol
20081220 11:05:24< loonycyborg> s/That/That's
20081220 11:05:43< mordante> I want to use Wesnoth on it as well, I mean the CPU is about as powerful as my current desktop
20081220 11:06:04< loonycyborg> I managed to run wenoth through ssh :)
20081220 11:07:42< mordante> which doesn't work without a network connection ;-)
20081220 11:08:34< Sapient> yeah. that's the problem with "cloud computing" ... you may not be able to do much if there's a storm ;-)
20081220 11:09:37< zookeeper> the default eeepc distro is horrible
20081220 11:10:21< zookeeper> and when i tried to install eeeubuntu (or ubuntu-eee, whichever it was), it didn't work. yay yay.
20081220 11:11:49< mordante> well I don't believe in "cloud computing" I see it as another attempt to avoid peope to use another OS
20081220 11:11:58< mordante> zookeeper how bad was it?
20081220 11:12:18< Sapient> " attempt to avoid peope to use another OS " ?
20081220 11:12:54< zookeeper> mordante, the eeepc xandros distro? eh...well, it was a bit too dumbed down, i had to google for how to get a terminal open
20081220 11:13:32< mordante> well I assume the Microsoft's idea behind cloud computing is, to keep people using Windows
20081220 11:13:55< mordante> zookeeper that sounds horrible, I have about 8 terminals open at the moment
20081220 11:14:11< Sirp> mordante: I think some of it is that, some of it is simply "well this cloud computing thing might be really big and if it is we don't want that ship to sail without us!" style thinking.
20081220 11:14:57< zookeeper> it's just one keycombo, but still i didn't like the fact that there was not even a real desktop you could customize. all you got was these predefined tabs and icons for "teh internet", "calculator" and whatnot.
20081220 11:15:40< zookeeper> besides, i couldn't manage to get wesnoth on it.
20081220 11:16:14< mordante> well I love keycombos :-)
20081220 11:16:23< zookeeper> it's mysterious how pretty much every single tutorial for doing anything on any linux has always failed at some point.
20081220 11:16:45< Sapient> lol
20081220 11:16:52< zookeeper> no, really
20081220 11:16:58< mordante> one of the good things Windows brought is a key dedicated to for OS, so I have a lot of keybindings to that key :-)
20081220 11:17:11< loonycyborg> zookeeper: That keycombo doesn't work for me.
20081220 11:17:36< loonycyborg> So I had to follow the tutorial and add start menu.
20081220 11:17:42< zookeeper> how to install the damn thing? fails, usually. how to set up something? fails, usually. how to install something? fails, usually. no matter what i do with linux, it always fails.
20081220 11:18:16< loonycyborg> Adding start menu didn't fail for me :)
20081220 11:18:18< zookeeper> or usually, anyway.
20081220 11:18:32< zookeeper> haven't tried that
20081220 11:21:17< fendrin> hi
20081220 11:21:30< loonycyborg> http://wiki.eeeuser.com/ <- plenty of useful tutorials there
20081220 11:26:38< mordante> hi fendrin 
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20081220 11:35:13< zookeeper> i'm annoyed when i should be balance testing a campaign, in this case EI on the hardest difficulty, but when i don't know how good of a player i really am. i find some scenarios to be pretty much impossible without a lot of luck, but then again maybe i just didn't figure out the best strategy.
20081220 11:35:26< zookeeper> who's the best campaign player we have :P?
20081220 11:36:03< Appleman1234> zookeeper, hmmmmmm
20081220 11:38:57< zookeeper> Ivanovic, in EI's first scenario, i'd like to change that dacyn's "they cannot see me" line to "they must not see me" since i find the former really confusing (and probably is to some translators too). does that qualify as a "bugfix"?
20081220 12:01:35< Ivanovic> yes
20081220 12:04:38< Sirp> wow, we got a lot of hits from this: http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/08/12/15/1933218.shtml
20081220 12:04:50< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31572 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/01.The_Outpost.cfg: Clarified a bit what Dacyn says.
20081220 12:05:26< mordante> do we still get new hits from it?
20081220 12:05:41< Sirp> no, we got them a few days ago
20081220 12:05:49< Sirp> got about 5000 visits per day for two days
20081220 12:06:02< mordante> ok, I would have been surprised if we still got them
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20081220 12:06:50< mordante> maybe 2009 will be the year of Wesnoth on /. ;-)
20081220 12:09:32< mordante> I'm very curious, can you also see the OS stats from those visitors?
20081220 12:10:49< CIA-8> mordante * r31573 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Fix a compiler warning.
20081220 12:13:06< Ivanovic> Sirp: so have you showed wesnoth to your uncle now?
20081220 12:13:14< Ivanovic> and: what was his reaction?
20081220 12:14:25< Sirp> mordante: looks similar to our normal OS stats. Perhaps a slightly smaller share for Mac
20081220 12:14:34< Sirp> Ivanovic: I have.....we didn't get that far though; he is easily distracted. :)
20081220 12:14:39< Sirp> he seemed to enjoy it.
20081220 12:16:13< mordante> thanks
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20081220 12:17:58< Ivanovic> mordante: so how is work on the gui going?
20081220 12:17:58< CIA-8> ivanovic * r31574 /trunk/po/wesnoth-aoi/it.po: updated Italian translation
20081220 12:18:54< mordante> Ivanovic ok, not sure whether I can finish it today
20081220 12:19:09< mordante> but I'm quite happy with my recent changes
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20081220 12:29:49< Ivanovic> ESR_: i will need someone reading over my changes in some minutes
20081220 12:30:12< Ivanovic> that is: i am currently updating the manual with new images and corrected descriptions for the dialogs and stuff like this
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20081220 12:42:14< mordante> Ivanovic maybe also have a look at the description of healthy, IMO it's not clear whether or not you get rest heal when you moved
20081220 12:43:01< mordante> Ivanovic and I should remind you of devdocs
20081220 12:47:43< zookeeper> Sapient, one other thing i miss sometimes: the ability to give a fallback filter of sorts for SUF/SLF. i mean, something like [store_unit] [filter] side=2 race=undead [filter_fallback] side=2 [/filter_fallback] [/filter] would store all side 2 undead units if there are any, but if there aren't, then it'd store all side 2 units instead. point being that i'd often like to prefer some units over others, and it's kinda annoying to a
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20081220 12:50:19< Ivanovic> Soliton: please have a look at the description of healthy in the manual
20081220 12:50:23< Ivanovic> [12:42:14] <mordante> Ivanovic maybe also have a look at the description of healthy, IMO it's not clear whether or not you get rest heal when you moved
20081220 12:52:40< zookeeper> for example in mal-ravanal's capital there are six prisoners, five knights and one paladin, and one of them is killed whenever the player loses a unit. now, i want the paladin to be killed last, so when i store all the can-be-killed prisoners, i need to use an [if] to figure out whether i should be storing the knights and pick a random one, or just store the paladin. whereas it'd be nice if i could just have the "if there's a si
20081220 12:56:34< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31575 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Tweaked some pathways on the map and fixed a scenario bug.
20081220 12:57:37< zookeeper> eh, isn't this spam? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=23327
20081220 13:07:29< mordante> well we have more links there to other projects, only I can't find the license for the game
20081220 13:09:23< zookeeper> nothing wrong with someone advertising their project, but registering just to make an absolutely generic copypastepost like that?
20081220 13:10:01< zookeeper> "hai, i don't know wut forum this is but here's my game"
20081220 13:12:34< mordante> I think it's a bit of a borderline case
20081220 13:12:52< mordante> but I'm curious about their license
20081220 13:13:13< zookeeper> err, actually that was an exaggeration, since in reality he didn't even say hi ;)
20081220 13:13:48< zookeeper> (or try to make any other kind of contact with anyone either)
20081220 13:36:24< loonycyborg> If this guy won't answer, nuke the post :)
20081220 13:38:06< mordante> exactly and I'm really curious what license it's under
20081220 14:08:11< Ivanovic> hmm, illuminated underground is listed neither in the manual nor in the ingame help
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20081220 14:39:52< CIA-8> ivanovic * r31576 /trunk/ (150 files in 16 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20081220 14:39:52< CIA-8> regenerate (many) screenshots used in the ingame help to match the updated graphics
20081220 14:39:52< CIA-8> regenerate the screenshots used in the manual (using new filenames so that no outdated files can be used for translations)
20081220 14:39:52< CIA-8> removed now outdated translated images from the manual
20081220 14:39:54< CIA-8> updated manual to fit to the new images (everyone: please check for spelling/grammar mistakes)
20081220 14:39:56< CIA-8> regenerated doc files (as well as po files)
20081220 14:39:58< CIA-8> TODO:
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20081220 14:40:58< cib0> hello
20081220 14:41:03< Ivanovic> hi cib0
20081220 14:42:33< mordante> hi cib0 
20081220 14:43:28< cib0> ^^
20081220 14:46:34< cib0> hm, what editor do you guys use for Wesnoth?
20081220 14:46:51< Ivanovic> depends on "for what"
20081220 14:47:06< mordante> I use vim
20081220 14:47:07< ESR_> cib0: Editor?  You mean for code?
20081220 14:47:09< Ivanovic> for WML: kate
20081220 14:47:11< cib0> editing the C++ source
20081220 14:47:19< Ivanovic> for maps: the integrated editor
20081220 14:47:27< Ivanovic> for translations: poedit
20081220 14:47:32< Ivanovic> for images: gimp
20081220 14:47:42< loonycyborg> cib0: Some use vim, some use emacs :)
20081220 14:47:42< ESR_> I use Emacs.  Some of these barbarians soik their fingertips with vi :-)
20081220 14:47:53< ESR_> s/soik/soil/
20081220 14:47:57< Ivanovic> ESR_: please have a look at my last commit and doc/manual/manual.txt
20081220 14:48:03< ESR_> OK.
20081220 14:48:08< Ivanovic> ESR_: feel free to polish the english in there
20081220 14:48:15< ESR_> Will do.
20081220 14:48:20< Ivanovic> i already regenerated the manual, so that you can see it online, too
20081220 14:48:28< Ivanovic> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/trunk/doc/manual/manual.en.html
20081220 14:48:39< mordante> rather a barbarian as playing with butterflies :-P
20081220 14:49:11 * ESR_ thinks mordante made no sense just then.
20081220 14:49:14< cib0> what's so good about these editors?
20081220 14:49:47< loonycyborg> ESR_: You're biased because you're emacs developer :)
20081220 14:49:59< ESR_> Theyre the most widely used in the Unix/Linux world, everybody knows them.
20081220 14:50:02< zookeeper> hmh, i still use crimson editor mostly. i kinda tried notepad++, but the caret is almost invisible on a black background and it can't be changed, so i don't use it a lot.
20081220 14:50:21< CIA-8> ivanovic * r31577 /trunk/doc/manual/manual.txt: correct headers...
20081220 14:50:25< ESR_> loonycyborg: I'm not a bigot/.  I use vi too, I just wash my hands afterwards :-)
20081220 14:50:41< cib0> true, but everybody uses PHP, too, don't they :p
20081220 14:51:02< mordante> ESR_ http://xkcd.com/378/
20081220 14:51:25< Ivanovic> and someone knowing the rules for the illuminated underground, please add this in the TOD table ingame and in the manual
20081220 14:51:30< Ivanovic> this one is still missing
20081220 14:51:41< ESR_> mordante: Yes, that would be me in that strip. :-)
20081220 14:51:44< Ivanovic> and mordante already asked for making the description of healthy more clear
20081220 14:51:49< Ivanovic> might be needed ingame, too
20081220 14:51:54< Ivanovic> at least in the manual it is not clear to me
20081220 14:52:22 * mordante wonders how long it takes a butterfly to flip a single bit :-P
20081220 14:52:34< Ivanovic> mordante: which kind of butterfly?
20081220 14:52:37< Ivanovic> yes, this makes a difference
20081220 14:52:39< Ivanovic> ;)
20081220 14:53:19< ESR_> cib0: Use vi if you want a minimalist simple interface with no programmability, Emacs if you want an absurdly powerful programmable editor.
20081220 14:53:34< mordante> Ivanovic obviously 
20081220 14:53:49< mordante> I would recommend vim over vi ;-)
20081220 14:54:00< Ivanovic> jupp
20081220 14:54:47< ESR_> vim, vi, before the awesome forer of ***EMACS*** these differences are as nothing 
20081220 14:55:07 * zookeeper yawns
20081220 14:55:10< mordante> but I think both are extremely powerful and both have a rather steep learning curve
20081220 14:55:12< ESR_> s/forer/power/
20081220 14:55:29< ESR_> Yes.
20081220 14:56:19< mordante> and I'm sure it will take me a lot of time to get as productive on emacs as I'm currently on vim
20081220 14:56:20< ESR_> If you want really dead simple nano is actually pretty nice.  Emacs-like behavior but without the complexity and programmability.
20081220 14:56:25< loonycyborg> ESR_: Which is better: Emacs or XEmacs? :)
20081220 14:57:05< ESR_> loonycyborg: I don't really have a preference.  I write for Emacs because it's more widely deployed.
20081220 14:59:29< mordante> cib0 I suggest you try both emacs and vim and settle for the one you feel most comfortable with
20081220 15:00:11< zookeeper> have to admit i still don't quite understand what it is with those editors that presumably really speeds up writing stuff.
20081220 15:01:13< zookeeper> any good examples?
20081220 15:01:49< ESR_> zookeeper: Well, for one thing - you know the error messages that wmllint and wmlscope generates?  In Emacs I can press a key and instantly visit whatever file and line corresponds to the error my cursor is on.
20081220 15:01:49< boucman> zookeeper: once mastered, the shortcuts helps navigating in code with great speed, thus allowing you to quickly find what you want
20081220 15:02:36< ESR_> That's actually why I made those error format look like what gcc emits.  You can do that with gcc messages too.
20081220 15:02:59< loonycyborg> zookeeper: I can punch "dd" to delete a line instead of bothering with selecting it with mouse :)
20081220 15:03:11< cib0> actually, when coping with large amounts of data, i prefer a graphical solution
20081220 15:03:20< zookeeper> right, so it's more about just navigating.
20081220 15:03:36< mordante> and I can call grep from vim and find all occurences of a certain regex in the entire source tree
20081220 15:03:52< zookeeper> loonycyborg, i can use ctrl-e + del too :|
20081220 15:04:20< ESR_> This means I never have to type filenames and line numbers when I'm looking through debug logs.  Faster and no possibilityt of typos -- this adds up pretty quuickly over a working day.  It's one reason I'm si fast fixing bugs when they're reported.
20081220 15:04:22< mordante> my fingers already rest on the d ;)
20081220 15:04:23< boucman> cib0: v% will select from one parenthesis to the corresponding one
20081220 15:04:32< boucman> d% will delete it instead of selecting
20081220 15:04:34< loonycyborg> zookeeper: But that's three keys, not two :)
20081220 15:05:13< boucman> that sort of seem silly, but you can't imagine how often the block you try to delete has a "semantic meaning" that vi/emacs can find and handle for you, thus making them so comfortable
20081220 15:05:30< cib0> hm
20081220 15:05:34< cib0> i get it
20081220 15:05:49< zookeeper> the only thing i really crave for in an editor would be tag autocompletion
20081220 15:05:55< mordante> also automatically highlighting matching parens (or too many closing parens)
20081220 15:06:14< boucman> zookeeper: I think vi can do that, but I don't use it myself
20081220 15:06:14< zookeeper> i hate writing or copypasting those long tag names to close tags
20081220 15:06:44< boucman> mordante: vi can do that, and I would be very suprised if emacs didn't (it being programmed in lisp)
20081220 15:06:46< ESR_> zookeeper: More than just navigation.  For a small set of languages in vi, and a much larger one in Emacs (including WML) the editor knows about syntax and will do things like krrping your cursor at a good inndent level when you type a newline, or momentarily bouncing back to the last ( when you type ) so you can see what scope you're closing.
20081220 15:07:06< mordante> boucman I know I love that feature
20081220 15:07:11< boucman> :)
20081220 15:08:09< mordante> of course you can do the same in vim if somebody adds a vim syntax file (which hasn't been done)
20081220 15:08:12< ESR_> zookeeper: The Emacs WML mode could be moidfied to do tag completion.  In vi t would be effectively impossible.
20081220 15:08:28< mordante> ESR_ ?
20081220 15:08:36< zookeeper> i have auto-indent, block-indenting selections, highlighting, search-and-replace...and that's pretty much what i ever seem to need for WML coding. tag autocompletion is the only thing i really miss.
20081220 15:08:47< Ivanovic> don't we also have some kate plugin somewhere in the forums?
20081220 15:08:56< ESR_> mordante: Wouldn't you have to write a C or Tcl extension for that?
20081220 15:09:01< Ivanovic> this one should be able to do autocompletition, since this is something kate does support
20081220 15:09:24< Ivanovic> and there should be a kate version for windows, too (at least since kde4.x)
20081220 15:10:05< mordante> ESR_ no vim has its own syntax files
20081220 15:10:23< mordante> vim improved a lot over the years ;-)
20081220 15:10:42< ESR_> mordante: Ah, I didn't know they had become thast powerful.
20081220 15:11:05< Ivanovic> ESR_: there is even a plugin for po mode in vim
20081220 15:11:06< Ivanovic> ;)
20081220 15:11:36< ESR_> Ivanovic: If you ever find that kate plugin shoot me a link - we should probably ship it in data/tools along with the Emacs mode.
20081220 15:11:42< boucman> ESR_: vi recognise WML as a sort of XML and provides autohighlighting and autoindenting out of the box
20081220 15:11:50< boucman> that's probably why no wml mode was written
20081220 15:12:19< Ivanovic> ESR_: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13781
20081220 15:13:03< ESR_> Ivanovic: Got it, I'll look it over.  Thanks.
20081220 15:13:44< cib0> weird.. shouldn't svn revert dir revert all modified files in that dir?
20081220 15:14:24< loonycyborg> cib0: No. Unless you pass -R IIRC
20081220 15:14:26< mordante> I thing you need the -R recursive flag for that
20081220 15:14:31< cib0> ah, ok, thanks
20081220 15:14:41< mordante> think*
20081220 15:14:56< cib0> yeah, worked
20081220 15:18:24< cib0> man, im sure glad about having 100 times as fast internet now
20081220 15:18:41< cib0> making an svn update was PITA back then
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20081220 15:24:31< cib0> mm.. i can't seem to find the fogged problem on bugs.wesnoth.org
20081220 15:25:14< mordante> cib0 https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12635
20081220 15:25:32< cib0> thanks
20081220 15:25:41< mordante> no problem
20081220 15:33:27< cib0> lol.. the bug was caused by one weird too many ! :p
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20081220 15:35:53< mordante> cib0 while you're working on that bug, you might want to make the variable names for both C++ and WML also a bit cleaner
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20081220 15:37:17< cib0> hm, i can make it cleaner on the C++ side, but im not sure about WML, seeing as you need short names there
20081220 15:37:56< mordante> but IIRC the name in WML is not very descriptive
20081220 15:38:07< cib0> yeah, "fogged"
20081220 15:38:15< cib0> could also mean it's always fogged
20081220 15:38:27< zookeeper> foggable then
20081220 15:38:44< fendrin> zookeeper: lol
20081220 15:38:48< mordante> I would prefer hide_in_fog or show_in_fog
20081220 15:39:05< mordante> hide_under_fog/show_over_fog
20081220 15:39:22< mordante> depending on what true and false me
20081220 15:39:24< mordante> mean*
20081220 15:39:55< cib0> hide_in_fog with default no sounds good to me
20081220 15:40:24< cib0> because i would expect it to be visible in fog, so that would describe the behaviour perfectly to me
20081220 15:40:40< cib0> er, default yes..
20081220 15:40:51< zookeeper> default needs to be to show through fog.
20081220 15:41:11< cib0> yes, default no..
20081220 15:41:28< cib0> what's up with me.. i make too many inversions in my head
20081220 15:43:04< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31578 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/05.Northern_Outpost.cfg: Minor fixes.
20081220 15:43:30< cib0> so, hide_in_fog with default no it is?
20081220 15:44:02< mordante> hide_in_fog or hide_under_fog I think the latter sounds better
20081220 15:45:43< cib0> i don't think so.. if you could hide it under the fog, the terrain would be invisible, too, to my understanding
20081220 15:47:20< mordante> I don't have a strong perference, so you decide
20081220 15:47:58< cib0> i think i got a bug in SVN
20081220 15:48:23< mordante> what ?
20081220 15:48:45< cib0> using tinygui, i get this error when hitting Multiplayer in the main menu: wesnoth: src/gui/widgets/window.cpp:593: void gui2::twindow::layout(): Assertion `false' failed.
20081220 15:50:16< mordante> ah I thought a bug in svn itself
20081220 15:50:49< cib0> oh :p
20081220 15:51:04< mordante> I'm currently working on that part of the code, rewriting the listboxes
20081220 15:51:29< cib0> ok, so it's not necessary to post it to the tracker?
20081220 15:51:55< mordante> no I want to check the gui code for normal and tiny gui before 1.6 anyway
20081220 15:52:53< cib0> i like how tinygui is developing, the main screen looks really cure ;p
20081220 15:53:00< cib0> *cute
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20081220 16:13:33< cib0> hide_in_fog or hide_under_fog, vote now!
20081220 16:15:53< zookeeper> under
20081220 16:16:19< fendrin> hide_by_fog
20081220 16:17:03< cib0> or mazbe see_through_fog?
20081220 16:17:07< cib0> :p
20081220 16:17:21< cib0> s/mazbe/maybe
20081220 16:17:44< fendrin> seen_through_fog?
20081220 16:17:58< cib0> yeah
20081220 16:18:03< mordante> butterfly :-P
20081220 16:19:19< cib0> seen_through_fog sounds most descriptive, but its also quite long
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20081220 16:22:13< cib0> visible_in_fog?
20081220 16:22:46< cib0> shorter, descriptive, sounds good to me
20081220 16:26:06< Sapient> hi cib
20081220 16:27:26< zookeeper> sapient, tell them that "fogged" is great
20081220 16:27:35< cib0> hey sapient
20081220 16:27:43< Sapient> I haven't the foggiest
20081220 16:28:22< cib0> geez
20081220 16:29:50 * mordante hides in the fog for a while ;-)
20081220 16:32:25< cib0> im mainly doing this so i can test committing
20081220 16:32:50< cib0> or..
20081220 16:33:00< Sapient> you could write superimposes_fog=true ;)
20081220 16:33:23< cib0> ugh, it's too long ago.. i know there was committing and submitting.. what was the difference again?
20081220 16:33:48< Sapient> visible_in_fog sounds the best from a quick look at the irclog
20081220 16:33:57< Sapient> sorry zooks
20081220 16:34:13< cib0> good because i was going to decide for that
20081220 16:34:40< cib0> in fact, i already changed it to that
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20081220 16:41:57< cib0> mm, i wonder whether i still have SVN commit rights
20081220 16:44:55< cib0> seeing as i'm not in the project's keyrings, i guess not?
20081220 16:48:27< Sapient> Ivanovic could help you there
20081220 16:49:00 * cib0 summons Ivanovic.
20081220 16:49:54< cib0> well, even if my old key still was valid, i got the password and all on my old computer
20081220 16:51:32< Ivanovic> cib0: uhm, commit privs go via gna.org
20081220 16:51:41< Ivanovic> just login to your account there and add your new key
20081220 16:51:47< Ivanovic> once this is done, you can commit again
20081220 16:52:58< cib0> ahh
20081220 16:53:05< cib0> ok, thanks ^^
20081220 16:53:17< cib0> i forgot how it had worked in detail
20081220 17:17:52< cib0> ugh.. what's the easiest way for svn over ssh in debian?
20081220 17:18:10< boucman> apt-get install subversion
20081220 17:18:17< boucman> not sure that's the question you asked, though
20081220 17:18:52< cib0> so i can just use the svn client to establish a ssh connection?
20081220 17:19:15< boucman> yeah, use a svn+ssh url
20081220 17:19:22< cib0> ah
20081220 17:19:46< boucman> svn+ssh://boucman@svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/branches/1.4
20081220 17:19:46< cib0> how do i tell it what key to use?
20081220 17:19:52< boucman> that's the one I use for 1.4
20081220 17:20:05< boucman> (of course you have to change the boucman part in it
20081220 17:23:02< cib0> oh, i guess you do the authentification and all that with the ssh tools
20081220 17:25:26< loonycyborg> cib0: It'll use .ssh/id_rsa by default.
20081220 17:25:34< boucman> nope, svn asks for the password
20081220 17:26:06< loonycyborg> You mean passphrase? :)
20081220 17:27:09 * Sapient throws sugar packet at loonycyborg ------------>#
20081220 17:29:14< cib0> er, i think it asks for the passphrase for the file and will read the private key?
20081220 17:30:06< loonycyborg> It asks for passphrase for private key if it has one.
20081220 17:30:47< zookeeper> trunk MP anyone?
20081220 17:31:23< boucman> zookeeper: I'll observe, once update+build :)
20081220 17:31:46< Sapient> let me update my data/ dir
20081220 17:37:39 * Sapient running exe now
20081220 17:38:27< cib0> how do i retrieve my public key?
20081220 17:38:51< boucman> should be in your .ssh directory (assuming linux)
20081220 17:39:31< cib0> oh, you dont need a password to open it now? o.o
20081220 17:39:53< cib0> success =D
20081220 17:42:49< Sapient> ... I'm stuck at Reading from server 0%
20081220 17:44:09< Sapient> zookeeper: sorry, it's not working for some reason
20081220 17:44:43< zookeeper> k
20081220 17:51:19< Sapient> I'll leave it sitting and see if it ever connects
20081220 17:51:26 * Sapient afk
20081220 18:22:39< CIA-8> fendrin * r31579 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/03_Stirring_in_the_Night.cfg: UtBS 03: Fixed a bug with the calculation of the lost elvish villages.
20081220 18:35:41< cib0> what was the new gold carryover attribute called again?
20081220 18:36:58< cib0> carryover_add
20081220 18:37:59< zookeeper> yes
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20081220 18:39:24< boucman> zookeeper: waiting for another palyer to come ?
20081220 18:39:34< zookeeper> no, playing something else already :p
20081220 18:39:52< cib0> gold, with all bonuses and percentages included, is stored in only one attribute, excluding carryover_add which has its own attribute.. this seems slightly odd
20081220 18:41:14< cib0> so, the bug is that the carryover_add is not loaded from the initial save?
20081220 18:43:55< CIA-8> fendrin * r31580 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/05_Saurian_Treasury.cfg: LoW 05: village ownership adjustments
20081220 18:47:16< zookeeper> no, there's no carryover_add in those saves in the first place
20081220 18:48:08< zookeeper> so it just treats the [player]s gold= the old way
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20081220 18:49:15< Patterner> my precioussssssss
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20081220 19:00:32< [Relic]> Hello :)
20081220 19:03:34< mordante> hi [Relic] 
20081220 19:03:58< Espreon> Hello mordante.
20081220 19:04:16< mordante> hi Espreon 
20081220 19:13:42< cib0> is the "== user@machine" part of my public key?
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20081220 19:26:28< cib0> in a prescenario the game is loaded from WML again, right?
20081220 19:27:12< zookeeper> assuming i have any idea of what you mean, then yes
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20081220 19:33:17< cib0> i mean, it is not loaded from a save, but rather from the WML in your data directory or cache
20081220 19:34:01< zookeeper> correct, beginning-of-scenario saves don't contain the scenario WML
20081220 19:34:17< zookeeper> so you can make changes to the scenario code, load that save and the changes take effect
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20081220 19:45:07< [Relic]> :)
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20081220 20:11:47< cib0> what campaign uses the add_carryover attribute?
20081220 20:13:27< zookeeper> HttT
20081220 20:13:51< zookeeper> and a bunch of other ones.
20081220 20:15:20< cib0> hm, i just noticed HttT did, then it's indeed not even saved
20081220 20:16:55< cib0> it's not saved at all, in fact
20081220 20:17:06< zookeeper> yep.
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20081220 20:17:33< zookeeper> but note that it does work when advancing from one scenario to the next. it just doesn't work when loading a beginning-of-scenario save.
20081220 20:18:23< wp_> Have problem creating a Lan between Ubuntu machines... how to? (I have searched the net without result)
20081220 20:18:57< wp_> Have installed the server packeges 
20081220 20:19:11< loonycyborg> wp_: Wrong window? ( #ubuntu )
20081220 20:19:46< wp_> no?... is this not where I ask questions about the free open source game "Battle for wesnoth"?
20081220 20:20:01< cib0> rofl
20081220 20:20:22< loonycyborg> You're setting a lan *game*?
20081220 20:20:23< wp_> I were guided here by another person
20081220 20:20:25< cib0> zookeeper, it doesn't write it because noone told it to write it in the first place
20081220 20:20:55< loonycyborg> I thought you're setting up lan itself :)
20081220 20:20:57< wp_> yep a lan game... sry i forgot to write that important detail :(
20081220 20:21:15< cib0> any player values that should be written to the saves have to be specified manually
20081220 20:22:00< loonycyborg> wp_: Basically you just need to run wesnothd on one of the machines and have both clients connect to it.
20081220 20:22:46< zookeeper> cib0, naturally.
20081220 20:23:05< Ivanovic> wp_: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/branches/1.4/doc/manual/manual.en.html#scenarios
20081220 20:23:10< wp_> tried to type "wesnothd" in the terminal and got "error server: Caught network error while server was running. Aborting.: Could not bind to port"
20081220 20:23:50< cib0> euh, is it possible to call snprintf on a char[] buffer that has already been written to, overwriting what is already in it?
20081220 20:24:42< mordante> wp_ IIRC the deamon is started at startup
20081220 20:24:55< mordante> can you connect to it on the local machine?
20081220 20:25:09< loonycyborg> That would explain "Could not bind to port"
20081220 20:25:20< wp_> hmmm.... don't know what you are talking about... are not that prof. at Ubuntu ;)
20081220 20:25:47< mordante> if you start a network game and choose 127.0.0.1 as server does it work then?
20081220 20:26:08< Ivanovic> 127.0.0.1:15000
20081220 20:26:30< Ivanovic> you have to use the port, or it won't work out (IIRC)
20081220 20:26:46< mordante> since when do you need to add the port number?
20081220 20:27:23< Ivanovic> mordante: i think this was needed for ages
20081220 20:27:57< Ivanovic> that is: when i last tried to connect to a server started on my box, using 127.0.0.1 was not enough, had to explicitly use 127.0.0.1:15000
20081220 20:28:20< loonycyborg> 127.0.0.1 without port number works for me.
20081220 20:28:35< Ivanovic> okay
20081220 20:28:49< wp_> It works now :D thanks to you Me and my brother will have a very nice experience with Wesnoth ;)
20081220 20:29:05< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: You were using 1.4 or 1.5?
20081220 20:29:13< mordante> wp_ you also managed to connect from the other machine?
20081220 20:29:25< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: no idea
20081220 20:30:01< wp_> yes :D
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20081220 20:30:12< mordante> good :-) then have fun
20081220 20:32:31< wp_> thank you.... this is a great game 
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20081220 20:33:55< cib0> what are the standard WML values for "true" and "false"?
20081220 20:34:11< mordante> "true" and "false"
20081220 20:34:48< cib0> very well ;p
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20081220 20:38:17< mordante> Ivanovic just another reminder for devdocs.wesnoth.org
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20081220 20:40:12< cib0> huh, what..
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20081220 20:40:41< cib0> was gamestatus.cpp modified shortly before?
20081220 20:40:48< cib0> or am i seeing things? lol
20081220 20:41:21< cib0> aaahh
20081220 20:41:50< cib0> there are two save writer functions.. one using a cfg, one using a config_writer class..
20081220 20:42:02< cib0> and only one of them used add_gold
20081220 20:44:10< cib0> not really optimal having two functions doing basically the same thing, obviously this bug was a result of that
20081220 20:45:03< mordante> hmm yes those two still exist :-(
20081220 20:46:48< Ivanovic> mordante: ah, the reason is simple: doxygen is not installed
20081220 20:46:56< Ivanovic> Rhonda: please install doxygen on wesnothd
20081220 20:48:01< mordante> Ivanovic thanks
20081220 20:50:17< cib0> what's the command again to convert a working copy into a user working copy with that i can commit?
20081220 20:51:07< cib0> sw?
20081220 21:07:07< boucman> svn swith IIRC
20081220 21:09:00< cib0> are there any committing guidelines?
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20081220 21:12:20< mordante> only that your commit doesn't break things and has a useful commit message
20081220 21:13:07< cib0> k
20081220 21:14:53< zookeeper> cib0, the standard is that any of yes/1/0/no/true/false works
20081220 21:14:56< zookeeper> or should be
20081220 21:15:27< CIA-8> fendrin * r31581 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/utils/low-macros.cfg: Updated the winter_mask macro with rules for new terrain types.
20081220 21:15:40< cib0> in bug #12635 it also says something about a problem with [label], but i can't find any reference to "fogged" in [label]
20081220 21:17:42< mordante> they're called map_label in the source
20081220 21:17:45< cib0> nevermind, i found it
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20081220 21:24:42< fendrin_> Can I store terrain depending on a location_filter for shroud?
20081220 21:25:39< zookeeper> nope
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20081220 21:43:24< Espreon> How does one kill the annoying [] blocks?
20081220 21:44:09< cib0> by using the unreadable {} blocks? what are you refering to?
20081220 21:44:31< Espreon> The [] blocks found in translatable strings.
20081220 21:44:48< Espreon> If...
20081220 21:45:05< Espreon> you you have a blank line between two blocks of text.
20081220 21:45:14 * Espreon kills one of the instances of you.
20081220 21:45:23< cib0> oh, that
20081220 21:45:36< cib0> seems to be a bug
20081220 21:46:01< Espreon> No.
20081220 21:46:07< Espreon> It only happens when I do it.
20081220 21:46:58< Espreon> Let me try to do a few more things before losing hope.
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20081220 21:47:39< cib0> i have seen it quite often
20081220 21:51:06< loonycyborg> mordante: I think I know what causes transparency problems with text: cairo uses pre-multiplied alpha.
20081220 21:51:12< cib0> did fogged ever work for labels? no matter whether i set it to true or false, it will always be visible
20081220 21:51:14< loonycyborg> http://cairographics.org/manual/cairo-image-surface.html#cairo-format-t
20081220 21:51:33< Espreon> Does anyone know how to kill them?
20081220 21:52:51< mordante> Espreon I've no idea what you mean with [] is it a square in some dialogs?
20081220 21:53:07< Espreon> In my unit descriptions.
20081220 21:53:10< zookeeper> cib0, maybe not
20081220 21:53:50< zookeeper> cib0, it should though, just look at the original patch
20081220 21:54:23< Espreon> mordante: Would you like to see the victim description?
20081220 21:54:52< mordante> Espreon I think an image tells more as a thoussand words
20081220 21:55:47< Espreon> All right.
20081220 21:56:09< mordante> loonycyborg very interesting, thanks
20081220 22:00:25< crimson_penguin> Sapient: you around?
20081220 22:01:00< Espreon> mordante: Here: http://imagebin.org/34081
20081220 22:05:58< Espreon> mordante: So... how does one fix such a thing?
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20081220 22:09:00< mordante> Espreon was afk for a minute ;-) but no idea how to fix it, but it seems a windows only problem
20081220 22:09:53< Espreon> Really...
20081220 22:10:53< Espreon> No... it is the decription.
20081220 22:10:57< Espreon> *description
20081220 22:13:06< cib0> i dont think you have anything in the description that would cause that
20081220 22:13:24< cib0> it's more likely that windows is inserting some character into the text that wesnoth can't handle
20081220 22:13:43< Espreon> This is why I wish I could always use Linux.
20081220 22:14:08< cib0> most text editors feature linux line endings and that
20081220 22:14:36< Espreon> Well... the cfg is already encoded in UNIX format.
20081220 22:14:44< cib0> weird
20081220 22:15:08< cib0> what version are you using?
20081220 22:15:55< Espreon> 1.5.6+svn.
20081220 22:17:37< cib0> well, don't get too upset about problems then :p
20081220 22:17:55< Espreon> cib0: It is not Wesnoth... it is the cfg.
20081220 22:24:11< Espreon> Never mind; I fixed it.
20081220 22:24:25< Espreon> It was the damn whitespace that caused the problem.
20081220 22:25:10< CIA-8> zookeeper * r31582 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/03.An_Unexpected_Appearance.cfg: Tweaked enemy recruits and recruitment patterns.
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20081220 22:25:45< cib0> a whitespace is a whitespace and not a [] :p
20081220 22:25:53< cib0> so it is indeed a problem with wesnoth
20081220 22:26:27< Espreon> cib0: The invisible whitespace on the supposedly blank line generates a [] in Wesnoth.
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20081220 22:59:58< mordante> loonycyborg can you test this patch on windows? http://paste.debian.net/24114
20081220 23:00:47< mordante> it's not commit ready but at least it seems to render properly on linux with one draw cycle
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20081220 23:21:06< CIA-8> fendrin * r31583 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/07_Elves_last_stand.cfg: LoW 07: fixed a recruitment pattern bug.
20081220 23:26:00< cib0> where can i find stderr.txt on debian?
20081220 23:26:22< loonycyborg> mordante: I'm having transparency issues with this patch under wine.
20081220 23:26:24< mordante> there is none
20081220 23:26:40< cib0> oh
20081220 23:26:57< cib0> hm, what log stream should i use for debugging?
20081220 23:26:59< loonycyborg> cib0: Run it in terminal and it will write to it.
20081220 23:27:31< mordante> and you can do wesnoth &>stderr.txt to get the file
20081220 23:27:54< mordante> loonycyborg is it better or worse?
20081220 23:27:58< cib0> will ERR_GUI work for that?
20081220 23:28:37< mordante> it works the same as on windows only under Linux it's not written to a file
20081220 23:30:02< loonycyborg> mordante: http://imagebin.org/34088
20081220 23:30:17< cib0> been some time since i used it =/
20081220 23:30:24< boucman> ESR_: kitty's take on dwarves : http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=327028#p327028
20081220 23:31:21< ESR_> boucman: Dan, she's good.  That works for me.
20081220 23:31:29< ESR_> s/Dan/Damn/
20081220 23:31:41< boucman> yeah, I think that whenever she posts a new drawing :P
20081220 23:31:45< mordante> loonycyborg it's only odd that the Chinese and Hebrew is good only the other font not
20081220 23:32:16< loonycyborg> yep..
20081220 23:32:51< mordante> I really love her care for details :-)
20081220 23:33:03< mordante> only the hammer feels a bit too big for me
20081220 23:33:10< ESR_> mordante: Yes.  TShe has a very exact eye.
20081220 23:34:15< mordante> loonycyborg and if you render the text twice instead of 4 times?
20081220 23:34:38< loonycyborg> http://imagebin.org/34089
20081220 23:35:51< Sapient> it still says "Reading from Server 0%"
20081220 23:36:09< Sapient> looks like I can't connect to MP server with trunk
20081220 23:36:27< mordante> hmm still not great :-(
20081220 23:37:23< loonycyborg> http://imagebin.org/34090 <- That's with three
20081220 23:37:53< mordante> still not really sharp :-(
20081220 23:40:38< loonycyborg> http://imagebin.org/34091 <- with four
20081220 23:41:18< mordante> also doesn't really make me happy :-/
20081220 23:41:33< loonycyborg> Too sharp? :)
20081220 23:42:54< loonycyborg> http://imagebin.org/34092 <- I get this on linux.
20081220 23:44:06< mordante> mine also looks like that
20081220 23:45:43< mordante> that's odd, the Windows Arabic and Hebrew differ from the Linux version 
20081220 23:47:01< loonycyborg> Because right-to-left doesn't work on wine. Works on windows natively though.
20081220 23:47:13< mordante> ah oke
20081220 23:50:25< cib0> lol, love it when i get weird errors and find out it was because i forgot to save a file
20081220 23:52:30< fendrin_> ESR_: The trackplacer generates a strange path for scenario 05 in low. Can you help me fix that, please?
20081220 23:53:14< mordante> night
20081220 23:53:38< Espreon>  Good night.
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20081220 23:55:33< ESR_> fendrin_: I can try.  How it it strange?
20081220 23:58:18< fendrin_> It's shown twice. And it looks like the path heads south first but jumps to a location to the north heading to north from this on.
20081220 23:59:14< fendrin_> ESR_: You already fixed a similar bug before.
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