--- Log opened Fri Dec 26 00:00:45 2008
20081226 00:01:52< zookeeper> Espreon, fendrin, any objections against me converting UtBS to the new carryover system?
20081226 00:02:17 * Shadow_Master 'd object if he was the maintainer; it may cause complete unlbalance...
20081226 00:02:29< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, well, AFAIK the current balance problem is that it's too easy
20081226 00:03:24< Shadow_Master> would your gold system make it harder? 
20081226 00:03:40< zookeeper> well, harder to get ridiculous amounts of gold for sure
20081226 00:03:48 * Shadow_Master should have slapped zookeeper  for ruining his TRoW game some weeks ago  ::) 
20081226 00:03:48< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: Are you planning to move IftU to new carryover system?
20081226 00:03:59< zookeeper> starting gold seems to be at 100 everywhere, so it'd need to be upped to at least 200 for the later scenarios
20081226 00:04:13< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: I guess it's considered cheating to continue playing TRoW after playing 80% of it under the old gold system? 
20081226 00:04:42< Espreon> zookeeper: I do not object.
20081226 00:05:14< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, you can do whatever you want without it being cheating as long as you say you're just testing it ;)
20081226 00:06:00 * Shadow_Master was at Lizard Beach with 1749 g.
20081226 00:08:55< Espreon> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12783, enjoy.
20081226 00:09:04< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: I have yet to evaluate that possibility.
20081226 00:09:15< Shadow_Master> I agree that you can get ridiculous amounts of gold in IftU.
20081226 00:09:33< Espreon> Meh, I think I might have left out a vital piece.
20081226 00:09:56< Shadow_Master> fendrin:  I'm not sure wiring those transparetn portraits to LoW before support for them becomes official was a good thing.
20081226 00:10:12< Shadow_Master> fendrin:  besides the campaign menu splash looking... awkward.
20081226 00:10:50< Shadow_Master> mordante: LoW scenario 1 is giving me scrollbars in message boxes which aren't needed actually.
20081226 00:11:09< Shadow_Master> fendrin: in  particular, before you can assign them to spawned units
20081226 00:11:21 * mordante hits Shadow_Master with a scrollbar, read the logs
20081226 00:11:39< Shadow_Master> hey, I gave you some pics for that...
20081226 00:11:53< mordante> ?
20081226 00:12:01< Shadow_Master> the scrollbar pics :)
20081226 00:12:25< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: Also note that those dialogs with scrollbars show generic portraits instead of say Mal-Keshar or Galas :)
20081226 00:12:52 * mordante misses the connection between Shadow_Master providing the images and complaining about the scrollbars :-/
20081226 00:13:08< Shadow_Master> you hit me with one :( 
20081226 00:13:15< Shadow_Master> ah well...
20081226 00:13:44< mordante> I could have used a fish, but I have more spare scrollbars ;-)
20081226 00:13:51< Shadow_Master> um, I am grepping for mordante adn can't find anything useful
20081226 00:14:10< mordante> you lie :-P
20081226 00:14:15< Shadow_Master> except pollalloc getting in the way
20081226 00:14:39< mordante> otherwise try yesterdays logs
20081226 00:14:57 * mordante loves the fact that the logs are in the same TZ :-)
20081226 00:15:19< Shadow_Master> I still can't find the reason for making -- the portraits system (the new one) available without --new-digets
20081226 00:15:56< mordante> to finally give it some test coverage
20081226 00:16:01< Shadow_Master> i mean given the current state of the system (thwarts custom unit portraits), and that we supposedly were releasing 1.5.77 today and yesterday
20081226 00:16:22< mordante> grep for Kitty
20081226 00:16:26< mordante> :-|
20081226 00:16:53< Shadow_Master> um.
20081226 00:17:06< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: AFAICT mordante expects you to change WML to get custom unit portraits :)
20081226 00:17:17< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: in the C++ side???
20081226 00:17:19< Shadow_Master>  
20081226 00:17:42< loonycyborg> No. In campaign side.
20081226 00:17:53< Shadow_Master> because I won't be writing  custom unit_types for every campaign unit that has a custom portrait, that for sure.
20081226 00:18:10< Shadow_Master> it was one of the most awkward things oif pre 1.2
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20081226 00:18:43< Shadow_Master> and I need to install lenny on my new lappy
20081226 00:18:59< zookeeper> are all the WML changes required/proposed documented somewhere? i've been kinda ignoring some of that discussion i guess.
20081226 00:20:59< Shadow_Master> I could propose a new API for the new portrait system I guess
20081226 00:21:32< Shadow_Master> it's a very awesome idea that's been floating in my mind, if not in mordante 's as well
20081226 00:22:04< mordante> what?
20081226 00:22:17< Shadow_Master> use profile= 
20081226 00:22:20< zookeeper> is the only reason why we'd need some more elaborate WML for setting portraits just because of scaling issues?
20081226 00:22:25< Shadow_Master> :) 
20081226 00:22:46< Shadow_Master> let the engine guess the dize= and mirror= needs
20081226 00:23:01< mordante> zookeeper yes we might need that
20081226 00:23:11< Shadow_Master> dand for old portrait, just let it represent them  as they are, in the new dialogs
20081226 00:23:15< mordante> Shadow_Master the engine _will_ fail to guess mirror
20081226 00:23:26< Shadow_Master> mordante: what is mirror= used for? 
20081226 00:23:29< zookeeper> what's this fuss about mirroring anyway
20081226 00:23:34< Shadow_Master> I have never seen it in action.
20081226 00:23:43< mordante> whether the image needs to be mirror or not
20081226 00:23:59< Shadow_Master> why would it need to be? 
20081226 00:24:32< mordante> since some artist make draw a right hand side image instead of left hand
20081226 00:24:52< Shadow_Master> um  , what about ~FL(horiz) ? 
20081226 00:25:15< Shadow_Master> and, you can always flip the real PNG file
20081226 00:26:16< zookeeper> he's talking about being able to tell the game to not flip some portrait which only makes sense unflipped.
20081226 00:26:35< zookeeper> (i guess)
20081226 00:26:58< Shadow_Master> um, I see.
20081226 00:27:24< Shadow_Master> let's make a new  portrait markup !
20081226 00:27:47< zookeeper> well, how about something extremely simple
20081226 00:27:49< zookeeper> like...
20081226 00:28:11< zookeeper> profile=portrait.png,flippedportrait.png
20081226 00:28:41< Shadow_Master> I was actually going about the same but with help-markup-like syntax
20081226 00:28:58< zookeeper> if you give profile=portrait.png, the game uses it and flips if necessary, if you give profile=portrait.png,flippedportrait.png then the game uses the first as left-side and the second for right-side
20081226 00:29:05< Shadow_Master> profile="portrait.png,<flip=yes img=portrait2.png>"
20081226 00:29:34< zookeeper> or it could just guess based on filenames or something.
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20081226 00:29:53< zookeeper> i don't know what mordante's proposed syntax would be though, but i'm guessing it involves new tags.
20081226 00:30:21< Shadow_Master> I think an embedded solution into profile's attribute parsing woul d be better to not break old-style portrait
20081226 00:30:45< Shadow_Master> or to make it simpler for WML authors, etc.
20081226 00:31:14< mordante> like said before I'm not sure how the syntax is going to look yet :-|
20081226 00:31:31< Shadow_Master> we are just brainstorming! ^_______^
20081226 00:32:07< Shadow_Master> I am very worried about how it'll be at the end when 1.5.7 is released, since I released my add-on based on the assumption that WML-wise, 1.5.6 are compatible
20081226 00:32:08< mordante> which doesn't help until I know Kitty's answer on the scaling
20081226 00:32:12< Shadow_Master> * 1.56 and 1.5.7
20081226 00:32:22< Shadow_Master> mordante: you couldn't send her screenshots?
20081226 00:32:42< mordante> no, I want her to be able to play with it herself
20081226 00:32:53< mordante> I did mention those things before here :-|
20081226 00:33:48< Shadow_Master> couldnt just teach her to use --new-widgets ? 
20081226 00:34:04< Shadow_Master> it's not so hard to run an app from the cmmand line on MacOS X AFAIHH
20081226 00:34:31< mordante> there was more broken in that code (there was a good reason to hide it)
20081226 00:34:48< Shadow_Master> make a new switch: --kitty-test-ground :=) 
20081226 00:35:05< mordante> I really wonder why those concerns haven't been raised before :-|
20081226 00:35:19< Shadow_Master> because I was asleep 
20081226 00:35:37< Shadow_Master> and apparently most other devs are busy celebrating xmas 
20081226 00:36:15< mordante> uhm I mentioned it several weeks (if not months) before
20081226 00:36:46 * Shadow_Master was too busy with his broken-laptop-and-no-Internet depression 
20081226 00:37:17< Shadow_Master> and I guess the other WML wizards (i'm not one btw) were busy with their own stuff :) 
20081226 00:40:31< mordante> which makes now a bit too late to question it
20081226 00:41:25< mordante> Ivanovic interesting, I logged all mallocs and frees and I have a free, which never seems to be malloced...
20081226 00:42:02< Shadow_Master> AFAIR  gui2 once had poolalloc.c complaining about malloc()s and free()s from different threads.
20081226 00:42:33< Ivanovic> mordante: sounds interesting
20081226 00:42:34< mordante> I logged the addresses, so the threads should not matter
20081226 00:42:46< Shadow_Master> could even be an upstream bug :-> 
20081226 00:43:57< ilor> mordante: now you need a backtrace for each free so you can see where's the odd one coming from ;)
20081226 00:44:05< Shadow_Master> i've been lazier than lazy. I've not built a debug binary for weeks
20081226 00:44:35< mordante> ilor the log file is 403 MB, have fun digging ;-)
20081226 00:44:40< ilor> ;)
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20081226 00:45:51< mordante> it's only 16.276.039 lines to read ;-)
20081226 00:46:53< Shadow_Master> I'll bring my new laptop.
20081226 00:47:22< Shadow_Master> need to download a winxp 64 driver for its wireless device, apparently.
20081226 00:47:48< Shadow_Master> e.g. damn ndiswrapper: a necessary evil.
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20081226 00:56:49< Shadow_Master> hah. :(
20081226 00:57:13< mordante> night
20081226 00:57:19< Shadow_Master> good night mordante 
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20081226 00:57:35< Shadow_Master> dream with WML Wizards .... :p
20081226 01:09:03< zookeeper> ok, UtBS conversion done, testing..
20081226 01:09:15< zookeeper> i upped the starting gold to 200 in all scenarios except the first
20081226 01:09:43< Shadow_Master> changelog: have you...
20081226 01:09:57< Shadow_Master> oops. zookeeper could you add all the gold conversions to RELEASE_NOTES ? 
20081226 01:10:44< zookeeper> i certainly could ;)
20081226 01:10:58< Ivanovic> time for me to head off to bed, n8
20081226 01:13:36< Espreon> zookeeper: But will you do it?
20081226 01:13:44< Shadow_Master> time for me to go to install debian on the new laptop
20081226 01:14:00< Espreon> Happy Vi$ta slaying!
20081226 01:14:22< Shadow_Master> no, I won't get rid of it.
20081226 01:14:50< Espreon> :(
20081226 01:15:06< Shadow_Master> I'll just restrain it to a tiny corner of the HDD as usual. then, if I decide ti 's more convenient to remove it, Ill do the diry work of relocating the Linux partitions and etc.
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20081226 01:15:23< Shadow_Master> tpyos a plenty. bt
20081226 01:15:36< AI0867> it seems the 'hidden' status is removed only from the attacker on an attack
20081226 01:15:47< Shadow_Master> besides, I'll need vista for the included printer
20081226 01:15:52< AI0867> so if the defender was hidden and kills the attacker, he gets to hide again
20081226 01:15:56< AI0867> is this intentional?
20081226 01:16:26< zookeeper> i suppose not. hard to tell.
20081226 01:16:34< Shadow_Master> wow. 
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20081226 01:22:45< CIA-54> zookeeper * r31744 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (15 files): Converted UtBS to the new gold carryover system and upped the minimum starting golds from 100 to 200.
20081226 01:23:19< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, i like to do my changelog edits in big batches instead of messing with them whenever i actually make the change
20081226 01:25:14< zookeeper> btw is NR really playable nowadays? i mean not miraculously having interesting gameplay or anything of course, but rather whether it's broken or insanely unbalanced since apparently no one maintains it
20081226 01:28:35< zookeeper> i like how apparently the final great showdown scenario has...100 minimum starting gold -.-
20081226 01:29:13< zookeeper> i doubt it's doable without a thousand...
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20081226 01:48:21< Espreon> zookeeper: :debug is how one completes NR.
20081226 01:53:27< zookeeper> yeah, figures
20081226 01:54:40< zookeeper> byez
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20081226 02:31:47< Espreon> Gewd night.
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20081226 02:45:26< norbert-> hi, I'm compiling Wesnoth 1.5.6 (latest) with pango 1.22.4 (latest; somehow gets installed in /usr/local/lib/pango/1.6.0/ instead of 1.22.4) and get: text.o: In function `font::internal::ttext::set_maximum_height(int)': text.cpp:(.text+0x3ab): undefined reference to `pango_layout_set_height'
20081226 02:47:12< norbert-> something about pango is mentioned here http://wesnoth.sourcearchive.com/documentation/1.5.6/classfont_1_1internal_1_1ttext_25ba00b689312055ac6cd07fab5c0b53.html#25ba00b689312055ac6cd07fab5c0b53
20081226 02:47:21< norbert-> but I'm pretty sure I use the latest, 1.22.4
20081226 02:47:54< norbert-> just recompiled it and ran make install and saw that it installed into /usr/local/lib/pango/1.6.0/
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20081226 03:22:53< Jetrel> wesbot: seen mordante
20081226 03:22:54< wesbot> Jetrel: The person with the nick mordante last spoke 2h 25m ago.  2h 25m ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-de with the message: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]"
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20081226 03:47:50< norbert-> anyone?
20081226 03:48:31< Espreon> Yes?
20081226 03:49:48< norbert-> Espreon: you missed my posts :)
20081226 03:51:38< norbert-> summary is: I'm compiling Wesnoth 1.5.6 (latest) with pango 1.22.4 (latest; somehow gets installed in /usr/local/lib/pango/1.6.0/ instead of 1.22.4) and get: text.o: In function `font::internal::ttext::set_maximum_height(int)': text.cpp:(.text+0x3ab): undefined reference to `pango_layout_set_height'
20081226 03:52:15< Espreon> Meh, I cannot help with that.
20081226 03:52:28< Espreon> *cannot adequately
20081226 03:52:33< norbert-> that's okay, maybe someone else will come along with hints
20081226 04:01:14< norbert-> I 'fixed' by simply commenting out 2 lines in text.cpp, and Wesnoth seems to work fine after a make install, so I'm happy
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20081226 05:02:29< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20081226 06:58:14< Jetrel> Ivanovic, ESR_:  I'd like to formally extend commit access to thespaceinvader, if he'd like to have it.  Not sure if he will, but he's certainly responsible enough, and he's been a damn nice help.
20081226 07:04:49< Smar> what about 1.5.7...?
20081226 07:39:15< Jetrel> Smar:  IIRWIIR ;)
20081226 07:39:51< Smar> but the topic...
20081226 07:40:05< Jetrel> Smar:  I apologize - honestly, I don't know anything about it.
20081226 07:41:22< Jetrel> Also, it's possible that they're like me, and intended to have it done, but just didn't.
20081226 07:41:24< Smar> not I really wonder about it, but that’s funny. :)
20081226 07:41:41< Jetrel> I have a bad habit of doing that.
20081226 07:41:43< Smar> well, I’ve actually tried to god my thingie last days...
20081226 07:42:09< Jetrel> That sounds naughty.
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20081226 07:42:25< Jetrel> Are you sure that's legal?
20081226 07:42:49< Smar> hmm, waitasec
20081226 07:42:49< Jetrel> I'm sorry - that's really impolite of me. :(
20081226 07:42:51< Smar> what I just wrote
20081226 07:43:00< Smar> ...fix my trash code
20081226 07:43:05< Smar> stupid C makes me crazy
20081226 07:43:06< Jetrel> ah
20081226 07:43:59< Jetrel> good luck with the fixes. :)
20081226 07:44:40< Smar> I think I’ll just go to sleep
20081226 07:44:44< Smar> totally helpless before that
20081226 07:44:54< Jetrel> They'll probably have it done in 24hrs.
20081226 07:48:55< Smar> oh, finally some useful info...
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20081226 08:49:49< mordante> morning
20081226 08:50:26< mordante> hi Jetrel 
20081226 08:50:34< Jetrel> hey
20081226 08:50:47< Jetrel> 2 things
20081226 08:51:44< Jetrel> 1] I don't have the means to do it, but I think thespaceinvader should get commit access, if he wants it.
20081226 08:52:06< Jetrel> 2] Anything I should know about the new scheme for committing portraits?
20081226 08:55:09< mordante> 1 I can't do that, best ask TSI to apply for GNA membership then Ivanovic can grant him access
20081226 08:55:50< mordante> 2 not yet, I first want to know whether Kitty likes the 400x400 images scaled down, or that she wants to provide in between images
20081226 08:56:17< mordante> until that I'm not sure how things are going to look
20081226 08:56:37< mordante> but feel free to ping me, when you want a portrait committed
20081226 09:04:04< Jetrel> ah
20081226 09:08:25< mordante> the problem we have at the moment is that the new portrait code seems to crash at some points, but not sure about the cause yet :-(
20081226 09:09:04< Jetrel> Dang. :(
20081226 09:09:07< mordante> also not yet convinced the portrait code is to blame or just revealed another bug
20081226 09:15:42< mordante> Jetrel regarding your PM, I know the both of you can't build wesnoth, that's why I wanted to have it in 1.5.7
20081226 09:16:02< mordante> and Kitty knows how to use irc, the pops up every now and then
20081226 09:16:36< mordante> that's why I proposed irc ;-)
20081226 09:16:48< Jetrel> mordante:  oh really ... nice.
20081226 09:17:41< Jetrel> mordante:  one of my first wikipedia edits!
20081226 09:17:42< Jetrel> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sketch_%28drawing%29&diff=260148127&oldid=257537699
20081226 09:18:51< Jetrel> They had the primary purpose of sketching wrong!
20081226 09:19:08< Jetrel> Sketching is "Rapid Application Development" for drawing.
20081226 09:19:18< Jetrel> Rapid prototyping/experimentation.
20081226 09:19:33< Jetrel> Test things, and be fast, fast, fast!
20081226 09:19:37< mordante> nice edit 
20081226 09:20:28< mordante> and I agree, I also used sketches to visualize things before exploring further
20081226 09:21:48< Jetrel> *sigh*  I feel a book on drawing, growing in me.
20081226 09:21:58< mordante> :-)
20081226 09:22:29< Jetrel> It'll have to wait until I'm good enough at drawing so as not to make any obvious errors in demonstration drawings, but ..
20081226 09:27:06< Ivanovic> moin
20081226 09:27:14< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20081226 09:27:37< mordante> Jetrel you really want to write a book? 
20081226 09:28:19< Jetrel> mordante:  not intentionally, but I'm feeling the teaching desire every time I make one of these long-winded posts on the wesnoth forums to teach someone something.
20081226 09:28:59< Jetrel> It's occurred to me that they're basically the perfect practice for writing a book on art.
20081226 09:29:24< Ivanovic> Jetrel: please ask TSI to apply for membership at gna and i can then allow him in
20081226 09:29:46< mordante> I like those post, often I read them although I don't think I ever will start to draw
20081226 09:29:48< Ivanovic> mordante: any progress on the crash?
20081226 09:29:49< Ivanovic> ;)
20081226 09:30:18< Jetrel> Okay ... though I pinged you guys about it because you might be more likely to be in #wesnoth-dev when he is, being that you're collectively european.
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20081226 09:30:32< Jetrel> Although we're in no hurry.
20081226 09:30:35< mordante> you can really explain rather well, I think in general quite some of our artists are able to explain rather well :-)
20081226 09:30:40< Ivanovic> right, also tell him to ping us about it
20081226 09:30:40< Jetrel> I'll probably run into him sooner or later.
20081226 09:30:42< Ivanovic> :)
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20081226 09:31:13< mordante> Ivanovic my compiler is busy, that's the progress ;-)
20081226 09:31:41< mordante> it would be great if you could test with the new malloc disabled
20081226 09:32:04< Ivanovic> is this possible to get via cmake or autotools build?
20081226 09:32:11< Ivanovic> that is: what is the switch to do so?
20081226 09:32:52< loonycyborg> For now there's only a switch in scons AFAIK
20081226 09:33:10< Ivanovic> what is the switch, and which files are not to be compiled in when it is set?
20081226 09:33:17< mordante> -DDISABLE_POOL_ALLOC
20081226 09:33:21< Ivanovic> it is probably a no brainer to implement it at least in cmake
20081226 09:33:27< mordante> or just comment out the code in main()
20081226 09:35:28< Jetrel> Either something is really wrong with my OS, or really wrong with wesnoth.org
20081226 09:35:58< Jetrel> But my logins timeout after ~30 seconds on the forum. :(
20081226 09:43:47< Ivanovic> okay, got the option to disable the custom pool alloc in the cmake recipe
20081226 09:43:55< Ivanovic> currently testing, if it really works...
20081226 09:57:44< Ivanovic> mordante: what do you want to hear first, the good or the bad news?
20081226 09:58:41 * mordante arrived at the point where he no longer cares which comes first :-(
20081226 09:59:05< CIA-54> loonycyborg * r31745 /trunk/projectfiles/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Committed McShark's projectfiles update.
20081226 09:59:09< Ivanovic> the good news: with my changes it is possible to disable the custom alloc in the remake recipe
20081226 09:59:21< Ivanovic> the bad news: the new malloc causes the crashes
20081226 09:59:30< Ivanovic> (that is without it, i get no crashes)
20081226 10:00:24 * mordante has other ideas of bad news
20081226 10:01:08< mordante> at least now we know which code is to blame
20081226 10:01:44< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31746 /trunk/ (CMakeLists.txt src/CMakeLists.txt): 
20081226 10:01:44< CIA-54> add option to disable custom pool alloc in cmake recipe
20081226 10:01:44< CIA-54> deactivating the custom malloc seems to also fix some crashes...
20081226 10:02:07< mordante> did you test on both your thinkpad and desktop?
20081226 10:02:28< Ivanovic> just on my desktop
20081226 10:02:41< Ivanovic> but here it was not crashing in three tries with two brothers
20081226 10:02:48< mordante> well we still have another option glib uses some trick which depend on the normal malloc
20081226 10:03:21< Ivanovic> this might be, too
20081226 10:03:44< mordante> I'm still puzzled by the fact, the fatal free has never been malloced
20081226 10:04:08< mordante> s/malloced/allocated/
20081226 10:06:23< mordante> but what do we want to do now regarding to the release?
20081226 10:06:44< Ivanovic> wait till it is fixed
20081226 10:06:59< Ivanovic> since this bug is too critical than having it ingame would be a "real" release
20081226 10:07:26< Ivanovic> that is: at least when compiled with the default options the game should be "basically stable"
20081226 10:07:27< mordante> disabling the new malloc also "fixes" it, hence the question
20081226 10:07:34< Ivanovic> and this is currently not true
20081226 10:07:58< Ivanovic> mordante: and it would be nice if you could add the option to disable the new allocator in the autotools build
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20081226 10:35:14< mordante> I could have a look at that
20081226 10:37:49< Ivanovic> great
20081226 10:39:30< Ivanovic> afk for a while
20081226 10:48:14< CIA-54> loonycyborg * r31747 /trunk/projectfiles/CodeBlocks-SCons/: Updated svn:ignore for codeblocks scons projectfiles.
20081226 10:57:14< zookeeper> were the random numbers used in combat generated by the client initiating the attack, by the server or by all the clients (using a shared seed to cause OOS if someone cheated by tweaking their RNG)?
20081226 11:02:25< mordante> IIRC by the attacking client and then send over the network
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20081226 11:14:56< CIA-54> zookeeper * r31748 /trunk/data/core/macros/side-utils.cfg: Made LIMIT_CONTEMPORANEOUS_RECRUITS able to handle a comma-separated list of sides.
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20081226 11:23:20< CIA-54> zookeeper * r31749 /trunk/data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/4_Valley_of_Trolls.cfg: Limited the troll recruits, especially on easy.
20081226 11:23:22< zookeeper> i hope the above was a good idea..
20081226 11:24:29< loonycyborg> How did you limit troll recruits? Made them recruit troll whelps instead? :)
20081226 11:31:45< loonycyborg> nwm
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20081226 11:32:07< loonycyborg> Confused that with some other scenario :)
20081226 11:33:22< mordante> Ivanovic I can't reproduce the crash in gdb :-( also afk now
20081226 11:36:41< loonycyborg> Perhaps it would be better idea to make use of the allocator by overriding operator new() :)
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20081226 11:56:17< CIA-54> zookeeper * r31750 /trunk/data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/08_A_Small_Favor2.cfg: Made the enemy mages a bit easier, especially on easy.
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20081226 12:43:45< Ivanovic> re
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20081226 12:46:07< CIA-54> baufo * r31751 /trunk/src/server/ (4 files): automatically remember server moderators
20081226 12:46:59< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, this is bad
20081226 12:54:05< mordante> Ivanovic yes
20081226 12:54:27< mordante> it would be nice is somebody else on 64 bit also can test
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20081226 12:54:50< mordante> I think the crash is rather random and just seems to happen sooner on 64 bit
20081226 12:55:14< mordante> but as it looks now, I won't be able to debug the problem :-(
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20081226 13:18:15< CIA-54> mordante * r31752 /trunk/ (changelog configure.ac src/Makefile.am): Add the option to autotools to disable poolalloc.
20081226 13:42:37< Ivanovic> mordante: like i said, i can also (rather easily) reproduce it on my thinkpad (which is 32bit)
20081226 13:42:45< Ivanovic> but yeah, there it takes longer to do so
20081226 13:43:20< mordante> I succeeded on 32 bit yesterday, but today I did five runs and no problem at all
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20081226 14:37:39< mordante> Ivanovic I'm about to leave
20081226 14:37:58< mordante> I did mange to get the crash again with the printf disabled
20081226 14:38:58< mordante> and I get some backtraces and it happens again in pango
20081226 14:39:33< mordante> google did find some similar crashes so might be a bug in pango after all
20081226 14:39:42< mordante> but no conclusive information yet
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20081226 14:47:40< mordante> I'm off now, bye
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20081226 15:25:06< fendrin_> hi
20081226 15:25:12< zookeeper> hello
20081226 15:38:36< fendrin_> zookeeper: do you mind if i port old_ai_controller features to the new one as long as they are optional?
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20081226 15:55:33< zookeeper> go ahead
20081226 15:57:12< zookeeper> which ones are you thinking about?
20081226 15:57:21< zookeeper> all of them?
20081226 15:58:47< fendrin_> the location
20081226 15:58:50< fendrin_> first
20081226 16:02:18< zookeeper> defending a location?
20081226 16:02:47< fendrin_> zookeeper: There is another wml core/macro project I am thinking about. Macros that are helpfull for the campaign story.
20081226 16:03:29< fendrin_> zookeeper: yes, defending the location and defining them with a menu entry.
20081226 16:07:30< zookeeper> ok...do you need help with that? are you intending on making the location defining thing a menu item active all the time, or making it work so that you first choose the defend location option in the controller, after which you get to pick the location with a menu item which isn't otherwise active?
20081226 16:08:31< zookeeper> the latter would be nicer, but obviously harder to do..
20081226 16:09:17< fendrin_> I do believe that such a location picker gui would be very hard to use.
20081226 16:10:27< zookeeper> not necessarily. set objective... -> defend a location -> [print] text=pick a location [/print] -> right-click, select location -> back to main ai controller menu
20081226 16:13:12< fendrin_> that can be cooded in wml?
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20081226 16:18:45< zookeeper> sure it can
20081226 16:19:10< zookeeper> what couldn't?
20081226 16:19:23< zookeeper> i can give it a try
20081226 16:21:50< fendrin_> between text=pick a location  and the right click, the player could just play on.
20081226 16:22:28< zookeeper> yeah, but i'd spawn select and side turn events which just cancel the whole picking process
20081226 16:23:19< zookeeper> so if the player doesn't pick a location but starts to move units around, no harm done, the order is just never set then
20081226 16:24:14< fendrin_> zookeeper: if he doesn't pick a location you could still send a messge telling the player stupid.
20081226 16:24:25< zookeeper> yep :)
20081226 16:24:51< fendrin_> good plan
20081226 16:25:26< zookeeper> actually it looks simpler to implement than i thought, i'll see what i come up with right now..
20081226 16:29:18< fendrin_> zookeeper: well, after telling the player stupid call the event that pops the main menu up again. He should not be allowed to went out.
20081226 16:32:21< zookeeper> really? how about just [print]ing something like "location selection canceled"?
20081226 16:32:46< zookeeper> of course the menu can be popped back up too
20081226 16:32:58< zookeeper> (except in the case of the player ending his turn..)
20081226 16:34:09< fendrin_> If you cancel a operation in word. word doesn't exit. the player was in ai controller menu. he should be back there.
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20081226 16:35:27< fendrin_> Jumping in gui contexts to easy is a very confusing user experience.
20081226 16:35:28< zookeeper> sure, but we can't do that exactly like that because we can't force the player to have to explicitly cancel
20081226 16:36:46< fendrin_> why not?
20081226 16:37:21< zookeeper> because we can't prevent him from just going and doing whatever else he wants
20081226 16:37:36< zookeeper> of course we can still pop up the menu at that point, but that'll be after whatever action he chose to do
20081226 16:37:51< zookeeper> but yeah, i'll try
20081226 16:40:43< AI0867> ugh, wmlunits is a mess...
20081226 16:41:07< AI0867> [base_unit] support is hacked in for certain circumstances only
20081226 16:41:12< AI0867> with lots of side effects
20081226 16:41:23< AI0867> like overwriting the parent's values...
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20081226 17:10:46< CIA-54> elias * r31753 /trunk/po/wesnoth-utbs/de.po: Fixed first 100 or so fuzzies in German UtBS translation.
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20081226 17:40:59< zookeeper> fendrin_, hmh, i sorta have it now, but the menus crash somewhat randomly for some reason :/
20081226 17:41:28< fendrin_> maybe related to mordantes new drawing thing.
20081226 17:42:01< zookeeper> no, i doubt that, using a build a couple days old
20081226 17:42:10< zookeeper> nothing in stderr either.
20081226 17:53:03< zookeeper> really annoying.
20081226 17:58:45< fendrin_> zookeeper: can you commit the code?
20081226 18:00:41< zookeeper> well, sure...i'll comment it out with a simple #ifdef for now since it really likes to crash. also i didn't yet make it pop up the menu again if the player does something silly.
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20081226 18:01:24< zookeeper> meh, i'll do that anyway first..
20081226 18:01:29< zookeeper> just a moment
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20081226 18:05:02< cib0> hi
20081226 18:05:21< loonycyborg> hi cib0
20081226 18:05:21< fendrin_> hi cib0
20081226 18:05:47< zookeeper> meh, too complicated. that'll have to wait.
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20081226 18:05:53< cib0> what exactly is this FOSDEM thing?
20081226 18:06:12< loonycyborg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FOSDEM :)
20081226 18:06:28< cib0> =)
20081226 18:08:09< zookeeper> interesting. now it didn't crash on the menu, but when saving the game O.o
20081226 18:08:53< loonycyborg> Stack smash or dangling pointer perhaps? :)
20081226 18:10:24< CIA-54> zookeeper * r31754 /trunk/data/core/macros/ai_controller.cfg: Added a defend location order (disabled by default since it crashes a lot).
20081226 18:11:16< zookeeper> fendrin_, there you go. i'm pretty sure the crashing is some kind of a weird code bug (instead of the WML doing something so weird that it'd be an understandable crash ;)
20081226 18:11:36< zookeeper> just remove the disabled=yes line to activate it
20081226 18:12:00< fendrin_> zookeeper: thank you
20081226 18:12:06< fendrin_> zookeeper: Let's see
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20081226 18:43:06< cib0> hm, when will we enter feature freeze phase, roughly?
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20081226 18:46:47< loonycyborg> zookeeper: fendrin_: I've managed to repro this crash in gdb.
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20081226 18:47:52< loonycyborg> http://rafb.net/p/pSEgZ768.html
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20081226 18:57:44< cib0> does anyone here use Codeblocks with Wesnoth?
20081226 18:58:48< loonycyborg> I once used codeblocks with wesnoth to use it "find definition" feature.
20081226 18:59:04< loonycyborg> Otherwise I use vim for editing.
20081226 18:59:24< cib0> does vim not have that feature?
20081226 18:59:50< cib0> ah, well, you dont use the mouse, so that doesnt really help there i guess
20081226 19:01:34< loonycyborg> It does have something like that though I like codeblocks way of doing that better :)
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20081226 19:03:38< cib0> i use it very much, but im missing a "find occurences of" feature
20081226 19:04:12< cib0> with that you could browse through a hierarchy of function calls easily
20081226 19:05:24< loonycyborg> Another way would be setting a breakpoint :P
20081226 19:06:17< cib0> i thought breakpoints were used for debugging rather than browsing?
20081226 19:07:29< cib0> does vim feature compiling and then jumping to the errors directly?
20081226 19:07:35< loonycyborg> No code browser can be as accurate as a backtrace :)
20081226 19:07:43< loonycyborg> Yes.
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20081226 19:23:17< cib0> AI0867: i don't exactly get what you are saying.. you mean, if i derive a unit from another one, the base_unit gets the same changes as the newly defined unit?
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20081226 19:46:23< Ivanovic> [18:43:05] <cib0> hm, when will we enter feature freeze phase, roughly?
20081226 19:46:27< Ivanovic> the plan was ~sunday
20081226 19:46:37< Ivanovic> but this was killed due to mordante not being ready
20081226 19:46:47< Ivanovic> and now the plan is "whenever it is stable enough to get 1.5.7 out"
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20081226 20:21:41< cib0> shouldn't a special function be used to read integers from WML attributes?
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20081226 20:26:55< Ivanovic> hi Sirp
20081226 20:27:08< Ivanovic> Sirp: please read todays chatlog, there might be a bug with the memory allocator
20081226 20:27:16< Ivanovic> as in something is freed that was never allocated
20081226 20:27:48< Ivanovic> it might as well be a pango prob, though it seems to not be triggered with the default memory allocator#
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20081226 21:04:32< AI0867> cib0: in some cases, yes =/
20081226 21:12:13< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: since you got a 64bit system, too:
20081226 21:12:30< Ivanovic> please compile leatest trunk with the new memory allocator (active by default) and test if this is possible:
20081226 21:13:32< Ivanovic> start wesnoth, start two brothers (easy), click through the story screen, click through the dialogs at the start, :debug create a berserk close to the enemy leader and kill it with it, click through the scenario end dialogs, quit to main menu, start two brothers (...)
20081226 21:13:45< Ivanovic> on my 64bit system the first iteration is already not possible
20081226 21:13:51< cib0> mail.gna.org is not verified =/ is it safe?
20081226 21:13:58< Ivanovic> on my laptop (with 32bit) it breaks on the third iteration
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20081226 21:16:09< AI0867> cib0: the "accuracy mod"'s values overwrite their mainline base_unit, for the unit report, though not for the tree
20081226 21:27:50< CIA-54> ai0867 * r31755 /trunk/data/tools/wmlunits: Deep-copy the base unit's attacks before modifying them, this fixes bug #12778.
20081226 21:28:36< AI0867> wesbot: topic
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20081226 21:52:38 * Sirp is back in San Francisco
20081226 21:52:44< noy> yay?
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20081226 21:53:42< Sirp> thankfully US immigrations/customs was an easier experience than Australian immigration/customs.
20081226 21:54:57< loonycyborg> Sirp: Care to look into crashes possibly caused by custom alloc in latest trunk? :)
20081226 21:55:14< Sirp> loonycyborg: sure........how does one repro?
20081226 21:55:32< loonycyborg> [23:12:27] <Ivanovic> please compile leatest trunk with the new memory allocator (active by default) and test if this is possible:
20081226 21:55:34< Sirp> just compile + run -> will see it?
20081226 21:55:44< loonycyborg> [23:13:29] <Ivanovic> start wesnoth, start two brothers (easy), click through the story screen, click through the dialogs at the start, :debug create a berserk close to the enemy leader and kill it with it, click through the scenario end dialogs, quit to main menu, start two brothers (...)
20081226 21:55:47 * Sirp is running svn up
20081226 21:56:09< Sirp> those are the steps to reproduce? How many steps are there?
20081226 21:56:12< loonycyborg> [23:13:41] <Ivanovic> on my 64bit system the first iteration is already not possible
20081226 21:56:20< loonycyborg> [23:13:54] <Ivanovic> on my laptop (with 32bit) it breaks on the third iteration
20081226 21:56:35< loonycyborg> It works for me though.
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20081226 21:59:05< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: yeah, thats the lovely part about this bug
20081226 21:59:31< Ivanovic> especially since morandte was able to reproduce it (3 iterations) when not in gdb but not in gdb
20081226 21:59:41< Ivanovic> sounds like some *really* lovely bug...
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20081226 22:18:34< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31756 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-manual/it.po wesnoth-utbs/it.po): updated Italian translation
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20081226 22:29:39 * crimson_penguin will try
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20081226 22:49:25< Rrenys> So when is it stable again?
20081226 22:50:01< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31757 /trunk/ (472 files in 11 dirs): 
20081226 22:50:01< CIA-54> pot-update (now probably *really* in soft stringfreeze...)
20081226 22:50:01< CIA-54> regenerated doc files
20081226 22:51:31< Ivanovic> Rrenys: not before i am not able to play the first scenario without the game crashing on my 64bit gentoo system
20081226 22:52:35< Rrenys> Any estimate of whether that would be ~1-2 days, or a week+ ? (so id know whether to try LoW out now or wait)
20081226 22:52:49< loonycyborg> A month :)
20081226 22:52:59< Rrenys> kk
20081226 22:53:04< Rrenys> A developer wouldnt lie, would it!
20081226 22:53:17< Espreon> How dare you!
20081226 22:53:35< loonycyborg> Lie he wouldn't, but joke he will :)
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20081226 23:13:55< [Relic]> Hello :)
20081226 23:14:17< loonycyborg> :)
20081226 23:14:30< [Relic]> :)
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