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20081229 00:09:58< mordante> night
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20081229 00:22:56< Ivanovic> i am off to bed, too
20081229 00:22:57< Ivanovic> n8
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20081229 00:36:47< kthakore2> hey anyone around?
20081229 00:37:01< kthakore2> Shadow_Master, ?
20081229 00:37:09< kthakore2> anyhoo
20081229 00:37:51< kthakore2> For what reasons are some classes placed in a namespace and others are not
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20081229 00:45:48< AI0867> kthakore2: plenty of people are around, but the best way to get a response is to highlight someone who knows the answer
20081229 00:47:34< kthakore2> lol
20081229 00:47:44< kthakore2> AI0867, hi haven't been on here for a while
20081229 00:47:51< kthakore2> so I forgot who knows what
20081229 00:48:12< kthakore2> AI0867, how was ur holidays?
20081229 00:48:49< AI0867> my holidays?
20081229 00:48:55< AI0867> right in the middle of them atm
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20081229 00:59:18< kthakore2> AI0867, thats good
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20081229 06:37:51< mordante> morning
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20081229 06:46:57< CIA-54> zookeeper * r31787 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/05b_Isle_of_the_Damned.cfg: Fixed merman recruits getting disabled.
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20081229 07:38:18< Sapient> yo mordante
20081229 07:38:32< mordante> hi Sapient 
20081229 07:38:39< Sapient> I checked bugs.wesnoth.org and I don't see any bugs assigned to me
20081229 07:38:41< Sirp_> hi Sapient 
20081229 07:38:47< Sapient> hi Sirp
20081229 07:39:00< Sapient> where is this crash report for vconfig?
20081229 07:39:13< Sirp_> Sapient: I didn't seem to get the stats from your machine onto the server. It'd be cool if you had time to try to debug bit by bit the code that uploads the logs.
20081229 07:40:05< Sapient> Sirp_: I can apply a patch with some printfs and run it, if you have such a thing
20081229 07:40:06< mordante> Sapient no idea IIRC loonycyborg ran into the problem
20081229 07:40:32< Sapient> well dang, I can't do much if people don't file a report
20081229 07:40:40< mordante> I agree
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20081229 07:42:05< mordante> Sapient 15:55 <loonycyborg> I tried investigating crash bug reported by zookeeper and discovered that it's caused by trying to find something in a broken std::map.
20081229 07:42:21< Sapient> right, I just located that line in the irclogs
20081229 07:42:22< Sirp_> Sapient: I don't. I could prepare it for you though.
20081229 07:42:35< mordante> so it might be one reported by zookeeper
20081229 07:42:53< Sapient> Sirp_: that would be easier for me since I am still learning gdb and my visual debugger stopped working
20081229 07:43:51< Sapient> Sirp: if you can post it to patches.wesnoth.org then I'll probably be able to test it tomorrow and report the output
20081229 07:45:11< Sapient> zookeeper / loonycyborg : if you have a crash report for vconfig please assign it to me or write me the bug number in the irclog, thanks
20081229 07:45:59< Sirp_> Sapient: I was hoping to just pastebin you a file. :)
20081229 07:46:29< Sapient> Sirp_: well, as long as the pastebin doesn't expire :)   I gotta go to bed now though
20081229 07:47:16< Sapient> laterz
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20081229 07:48:42< Sirp_> Sapient: Whenever you have time, replace upload_log.cpp with this: http://pastebin.com/m2551bfe1
20081229 07:51:36< mordante> Sirp_ any luck debugging the crash?
20081229 07:56:58< Sirp_> mordante: not so far, though it looks to me like there are some suspicious memory deallocations we are doing.
20081229 07:57:10< Sirp_> like calling free() on addresses never returned from malloc()
20081229 07:57:36< mordante> yes I also suspect that, but I've no idea where the calls come from
20081229 08:01:06< Sirp_> I am trying to find that out, but it is hard and frustrating. :(
20081229 08:04:01< mordante> yes I know, I also tried and found the posix_memalign problem
20081229 08:04:24< mordante> once I fixed that I could no longer reproduce the problem
20081229 08:04:59< mordante> what I was thinking, can it be a double free problem?
20081229 08:05:29< Sirp_> yes I think it may be a double free problem.
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20081229 08:51:48< dlr365> -di
20081229 08:51:58< dlr365> oops wrong window X_x
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20081229 09:51:02< Espreon> Hello ilor.
20081229 09:51:13< ilor> hi all
20081229 09:51:28< CIA-54> mordante * r31788 /trunk/utils/unused_functions.py: Update the unused_functions script binaries.
20081229 09:51:34< mordante> hi ilor 
20081229 09:51:43< CIA-54> mordante * r31789 /trunk/src/ (32 files in 2 dirs): 
20081229 09:51:43< CIA-54> Make NEW_DRAW unconditionally, code side.
20081229 09:51:43< CIA-54> Initial tests show that NEW_DRAW works reasonable so make it the default
20081229 09:51:43< CIA-54> and remove the old cruft. This commit cleans up the code side, WML side
20081229 09:51:46< CIA-54> will follow in a separate commit.
20081229 09:51:51< CIA-54> mordante * r31790 /trunk/ (7 files in 4 dirs): 
20081229 09:51:52< CIA-54> Make NEW_DRAW unconditionally, WML side.
20081229 09:51:54< CIA-54> Remove the condition from the WML, also a few code changes which are not
20081229 09:51:56< CIA-54> longer needed, now that the WML has been converted.
20081229 09:51:58< CIA-54> mordante * r31791 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (window_builder.cpp window_builder_private.hpp): 
20081229 09:52:00< CIA-54> Minor listbox builder cleanup.
20081229 09:52:04< CIA-54> The listbox builder still used the obsolete
20081229 09:52:06< CIA-54> tvertical_scrollbar_container_ scrollbar mode, switched to the
20081229 09:52:08< CIA-54> tscrollbar_container version.
20081229 09:52:12< CIA-54> mordante * r31792 /trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Remove some obsolete files.
20081229 09:52:27< Espreon> Very interesting...
20081229 09:52:39< mordante> ?
20081229 09:53:12< Espreon> mordante: Nothing that would cause worry.
20081229 09:53:20< mordante> ok
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20081229 09:54:21< Espreon> And in other news... I fell in love with KDE 4.2.
20081229 09:54:45< Ivanovic> moin
20081229 09:55:03< Espreon> Good morning Ivanovic.
20081229 09:55:46< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20081229 09:57:02< Espreon> IDK why SM yells at me when I speak in a foreign language.
20081229 09:58:08< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: No more moins or SM will yell at you :)
20081229 09:58:15< Espreon> Indeed.
20081229 09:58:42< Espreon> ¡Hola!
20081229 09:58:51 * Espreon waits for SM to maul him.
20081229 10:00:12< mordante> is it a Kindergarten here ? ;-)
20081229 10:00:21< Espreon> Eh?
20081229 10:00:44< mordante> Espreon Kindergarten is German kindergarten would be English ;-)
20081229 10:01:08< Espreon> I am aware of that.
20081229 10:02:00< mordante> I also wanted to use some foreign language
20081229 10:02:12< Espreon> I want to learn Chocktaw.
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20081229 10:55:22< Espreon> Hello Noyga.
20081229 10:55:26< Noyga> hi
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20081229 10:57:57< Espreon> Hello zookeeper.
20081229 11:00:43< zookeeper> hello.
20081229 11:00:58< loonycyborg> zookeeper: Are you going to file a bug about "Defend a location..." crashes in r31754?
20081229 11:01:42< loonycyborg> Sapient was interested in those crashes..
20081229 11:04:49< loonycyborg> *expressed interest in looking into them
20081229 11:08:57< Ivanovic> ESR_: want to shorten the buglist? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12794
20081229 11:09:22< Ivanovic> Espreon: you do know that you do not provide much info in your bug report, don't you?
20081229 11:09:23< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12783
20081229 11:09:34< Ivanovic> that is: what are the steps to reproduce?
20081229 11:09:57< Ivanovic> so: *when* can you see the recruit list of other players
20081229 11:09:58< Espreon> Ivanovic: When an opponent's turn is occurring, hit ctrl-r.
20081229 11:10:22< Ivanovic> and can anything malicious be done?
20081229 11:10:31< Ivanovic> as in: recruit units for the other player and stuff like this
20081229 11:10:32< Espreon> I am not sure.
20081229 11:10:40< Espreon> I did not try.
20081229 11:10:42< Espreon> I should have.
20081229 11:10:50 * Espreon smiles deviantly.
20081229 11:10:51< Ivanovic> does it happen in all modes (even with fog/shroud), ...
20081229 11:11:03< Espreon> We were playing with Fog o' War.
20081229 11:16:16< zookeeper> loonycyborg, yeah
20081229 11:19:42< Ivanovic> Espreon: please add all this stuff in the report to make it a little more detailed and easier to reproduce
20081229 11:19:56< Espreon> Ivanovic: Sure.
20081229 11:20:05< Ivanovic> that is: is it also possible to get the recruit dialog by just right clicking and selecting it, or is this not possible?
20081229 11:20:20< Espreon> I did not try the context menu.
20081229 11:20:24< Ivanovic> and: does this also work in SP campaigns?
20081229 11:20:46< Espreon> I am not sure.
20081229 11:20:48< Ivanovic> does it only work when tried in the first turn?
20081229 11:20:55< Espreon> Yes.
20081229 11:20:55< Ivanovic> does it really just work once per game?
20081229 11:20:58< Ivanovic> stuff like this
20081229 11:21:30< Espreon> Ivanovic: I am not sure; perhaps AI0867 and I could give it another spin.
20081229 11:22:05< Ivanovic> Espreon: it is just that with the current amount of data this report is difficult to work on
20081229 11:22:22< Espreon> I am sorry.
20081229 11:22:53< Espreon> I'll ask AI0867 to see if he would like to further investigate this with me.
20081229 11:23:01< Ivanovic> this would be really great
20081229 11:27:33< Espreon> Ivanovic: I added the little extra data I have.
20081229 11:28:10< Ivanovic> thanks
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20081229 11:44:30< CIA-54> esr * r31793 /trunk/data/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Address bug #12794.
20081229 11:52:49< ESR_> zookeeper: Have you looked at bug #12781?
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20081229 12:11:20< Ivanovic> ilor: would be nice if you could have a look at the editor theme, the right pane looks rather broken here...
20081229 12:11:36< Ivanovic> http://imagebin.org/34540
20081229 12:12:00< Ivanovic> cf the position of the buttons and how they are moved around
20081229 12:12:13< Ivanovic> and the help text does not look this helpfull in the current version
20081229 12:22:40< ESR_> Ivanovic: A mouse click no longer goes to the next bit of storyline text.  Is this expected?
20081229 12:23:33< Ivanovic> ESR_: no idea, ask mordante
20081229 12:24:33< loonycyborg> ESR_: That's because there are scrollbars now.
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20081229 12:25:08< ESR_> Oh, shit.  That's a serious regression in the new UI design.
20081229 12:25:13< mordante> ESR_ yes it's on my todo list
20081229 12:25:21< ESR_> Good.
20081229 12:25:24< mordante> it will be fixed before 1.6
20081229 12:25:50< mordante> I need some changes to the engine, but wanted the larger portraits in first
20081229 12:25:59< ESR_> mordante: Reasonable.
20081229 12:26:25< Ivanovic> mordante: have you already set the new memory allocator to off by default?
20081229 12:26:43< Ivanovic> that is: in cmake it is just adding an 'off' instread of 'on' in CMakeLists.txt
20081229 12:26:52< loonycyborg> ESR_: Sometimes even messages with scrollbars are dismissable with a click.
20081229 12:26:58< mordante> ESR_ it may or may not be in 1.5.7
20081229 12:27:02< Ivanovic> no idea how to change scons and autotools to default to off
20081229 12:27:11< ESR_> mordante: Also, while chhasing an AOI-related bug, I noted that Erlornas's portrait is not shown, with a message that says:error gui_draw: Image: formula returned name ' 'not found and won't be drawn. 
20081229 12:27:27< ESR_> Is this a known problem?
20081229 12:27:34< mordante> Ivanovic no I wanted to wait until Sirp is ready or has given up
20081229 12:27:36< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: In the same way :)
20081229 12:27:46< mordante> ESR_ yes even in the RELEASE_NOTES
20081229 12:27:59< ESR_> Reading...
20081229 12:28:03< Ivanovic> mordante: sirp can still test with the flag set
20081229 12:28:37< Ivanovic> for the moment i just care about the game getting some testing so that i can maybe tag tomorrow
20081229 12:29:09< mordante> Ivanovic yes but if he fixes it before tomorrow I rather ship it with the flag enabled so we can give it more testing
20081229 12:29:21< ESR_> I'm testing now, that's how I tripped over thi stuff.
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20081229 12:47:35< Mith_> Hi, is there someone?
20081229 12:48:09< loonycyborg> There's a lot of people there :)
20081229 12:48:45< mordante> and some are here ;-)
20081229 12:48:58< Mith_> I see.. all of them away eheheh
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20081229 12:50:46< Mith_> just wanted to ask some questions to a developer... I have started to look today to the code
20081229 12:53:11< mordante> feel free to ask
20081229 12:54:38< Ivanovic> you won't get answers unless you ask
20081229 12:54:45< Mith_> I wanted to fix the 11061 bug: "Allow WML to open the in game help"
20081229 12:55:11< Mith_> what files i have to look after?
20081229 12:55:46< Mith_> tried to found without success...
20081229 12:56:07< ESR_> Ivanovic: I may have a situation where a string-freeze exception is justified.
20081229 12:56:24< Ivanovic> ESR_: that is?
20081229 12:59:30< ESR_> LoW, Elves' Last Stand.  Look below the TODO on line 296.  The placenames in that list should get translation marks and nbe re-enabled.  Otherwise the AI-control feature will lose a lot of its utility.  In theory, 31 new string.  In practice I think only 20 will requitre translation, all easy translations.
20081229 12:59:33< mordante> Mith_ help.cpp has  the function show_help()
20081229 13:01:12< boucman> Mith_: you would have to look in help.[hc]pp
20081229 13:01:24< mordante> game_events.cpp contains the wml handling 
20081229 13:01:34< Mith_> ok found it
20081229 13:01:44< boucman> another way would be to search in hotkey.*pp how the "d" key is handled and do something similar
20081229 13:01:58< Mith_> uhm.. perfect :)
20081229 13:02:17< Mith_> that's what i wanted :) 
20081229 13:02:20< boucman> be sure to give some thinking to the syntax of your new WML action, so it can easily be improved later when we have new ideas :)
20081229 13:03:52< Ivanovic> ESR_: ARGH!!!
20081229 13:03:57< Ivanovic> ESR_: then do so ASAP
20081229 13:03:58< Mith_> I will give a look now.. thanks
20081229 13:04:19< Ivanovic> fendrin: and please change what mordante said yesterday about using vars and the " and " string since this is *bad* for translations in the current way
20081229 13:04:30< Ivanovic> fendrin: that is: change this ASAP, too...
20081229 13:05:04< mordante> fendrin while your at it, also fix the ", " a few lines below the " and "
20081229 13:05:52< ESR_> Ivanovic: Sorry about that.  Joint screwup between fendrin and myself there.  One of us should have caught this sooner.
20081229 13:07:40< zookeeper> ESR_, 12781 handled
20081229 13:07:52< ESR_> zookeeper: Thanks.
20081229 13:09:31< CIA-54> esr * r31794 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/07_Elves_last_stand.cfg: 
20081229 13:09:31< CIA-54> Re-enable named locations.
20081229 13:09:31< CIA-54> This is a minor (and authorized) bewak in string freeze.
20081229 13:09:34< zookeeper> ESR_, ask fendrin whether those place names are really required. my ai controller doesn't really need or use them (although it could be made to), but that particular option in it is broken by that one bug i'm going to file soon..
20081229 13:10:34< ESR_> zookeeper: fendrin just pinged me about reopening the issu a few minutes ago on #wenoth-umc-dev, so he must think they'll be needed in 1.6 final.
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20081229 14:30:33< fendrin> zookeeper: can you have a look at those AI_LOCATION macros esr repaired in r31794, please? I know that the macro is not defined but my question is if the usage of the translation underscore is valid.
20081229 14:33:05< zookeeper> fendrin, probably the spaces between _ and " should be removed
20081229 14:33:25< zookeeper> i think the preprocessor sees them as two arguments and chokes
20081229 14:34:23< fendrin> zookeeper: thanks. 2.Question: Does the translating system get macro arguments? 
20081229 14:35:28< ESR_> Ivanovic: We've been discussing the state of DM on #wesnoth-dev-umc and I guess I should tell you that we're abandoning trying to have it 1.6-ready for reasons having nothing to do with translations.  The contentt isn't ready; at minimum, scenario 12 needs some work, and scenarios after that haven't had enough testing, and we're short some important art. 
20081229 14:35:43< zookeeper> fendrin, elaborate a bit?
20081229 14:37:16< fendrin> zookeeper: A string that is marked for translation but kept inside a macro call is translated? I can see it in the .po file?
20081229 14:37:41< zookeeper> of course
20081229 14:37:55< zookeeper> surely you've seen dozens of those before :)
20081229 14:38:37< fendrin> zookeeper: Are you fine with a macro called AI_LOCATION or do you prefer AI_CONTROLLER_LOCATION ?
20081229 14:39:00< zookeeper> no preference
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20081229 15:08:44< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31796 /trunk/po/ (8 files in 8 dirs): updated German and Hungarian translation
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20081229 15:53:47< CIA-54> fendrin * r31797 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (07_Elves_last_stand.cfg 09_Bounty_hunters.cfg): Fixed 2 translation problems.
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20081229 16:00:18< Ivanovic> running a pot-update to get the string freeze breaking changes in
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20081229 16:22:35< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31798 /trunk/ (284 files in 7 dirs): 
20081229 16:22:35< CIA-54> pot-update (get changes for low in that break the string freeze!)
20081229 16:22:35< CIA-54> regenerated doc files
20081229 16:23:26< ESR_> Ivanovic: How are the translation teams doing?
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20081229 16:30:33< Ivanovic> hmm, good question...
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20081229 16:45:03< boucman> Ivanovic, mordante, Dragonking: have any of you booked for fosdem (and where)
20081229 16:47:37< Ivanovic> boucman: not yet
20081229 16:47:55< boucman> i was planning to book today, so I was wondering...
20081229 16:47:58< Ivanovic> boucman: i think currently one option is bruegel YH, though we have not booked so far
20081229 16:49:18< boucman> mkay
20081229 16:49:28< boucman> you should book soon, these things tends to fill up fast
20081229 16:50:18< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I can't upload a new build for kitty_ and Jetrel, because my good internet is down since yesterday (and uploading on it wasn't working before that anyway)
20081229 16:50:30 * crimson_penguin is on shared dialup :(
20081229 16:50:44< ESR_> ROTFL!
20081229 16:51:08< ESR_> This is completely off-topic, but the sheer absurdity will make your day:
20081229 16:51:13< ESR_> http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/12/11/quite-simply-the-best-commercial-ever-made/
20081229 16:51:25< ESR_> (Nudity warning.)
20081229 16:51:34< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: :(
20081229 16:51:35< crimson_penguin> ESR_: Ok good, I thought you were lacking at my horrific misfortune! :O
20081229 16:51:44< crimson_penguin> laughing, even
20081229 16:51:44< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: maybe you got time to look at g.w.o?
20081229 16:52:04< Ivanovic> that is: there currently data is not blocked when several translations got exactly the same stats
20081229 16:52:05< crimson_penguin> Oh, could be
20081229 16:52:09< ESR_> Using "Ride of the Valkyries" as a background track is especially funny.
20081229 16:52:25< Ivanovic> in the old days all with the same stats were on the same position
20081229 16:52:47< Ivanovic> (so all that were 100% complete were numbered as position 1, ...)
20081229 16:53:01 * crimson_penguin bookmarks that page for when he's not on dialup
20081229 16:53:46< crimson_penguin> oh, I see
20081229 16:53:56< crimson_penguin> theoretically that should be quite simple
20081229 16:54:21< crimson_penguin> I thiink I still have my write-able checkout of that part of svn
20081229 16:55:56< crimson_penguin> Yay, I do
20081229 16:57:04< Ivanovic> ESR_: you are right, the ad is great
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20081229 17:00:30< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: you know, it looks like it was just commented out...
20081229 17:01:03< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: then, uhm, comment it in again
20081229 17:01:19< zookeeper> what's supposed to be great about that ad except that it's somewhat funny?
20081229 17:01:44< Ivanovic> zookeeper: do you not want to buy whatever was advertised there?
20081229 17:01:58< ESR_> Ivanovic: I imagine the add-agency guys collapsing in near-continuous fits of laughter as they set up the storyboard for that one.
20081229 17:02:15 * Ivanovic imagines how this washing machine gets delivered...
20081229 17:02:17< Ivanovic> ^^
20081229 17:02:24< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: well, I was just doing a bit of checking, to make sure it wasn't commented out because it didn't work... but it looks like it should still work
20081229 17:02:56< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: at the moment it does not work, have a look at the 1.4 stats: http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/index.lang.php?version=branch&package=&lang=de
20081229 17:03:13< Ivanovic> the first 5 have 100% and should thus be on position 1, they are not
20081229 17:03:33< Ivanovic> and i think before your work on it in general, it was working
20081229 17:03:44< Ivanovic> so yeah, something went wrong with your changes (a while ago)
20081229 17:04:09< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I don't see a position there at all :-/
20081229 17:04:10< zookeeper> Ivanovic, no
20081229 17:05:42< zookeeper> i generally find that whole lol-tits-must-act-like-an-idiot joke to be pretty old.
20081229 17:06:06< crimson_penguin> err, what's index.extra.php for?
20081229 17:06:15< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: no idea
20081229 17:06:48< crimson_penguin> ok I'll just ignore it for now then; I don't see any links to it, and when I go to it it can't find any stats for anything
20081229 17:08:50< zookeeper> i mean, how many times do you have to hear that "omg boobs, i'm so gonna buy that, even though i'm just saying this because it's so funny!" thing before it just isn't funny anymore?
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20081229 17:09:29< Ivanovic> zookeeper: it is not just about the boobs
20081229 17:09:46< Ivanovic> i think the most funny part is when one girl fails to open the parachute...
20081229 17:10:06< zookeeper> the boobs are the whole point of the ad
20081229 17:10:16< ESR_> Well, it's about the boobs to the extent that they're part of the humor.
20081229 17:10:20< zookeeper> that last bit is just as funny as anything in your average commercial
20081229 17:12:13< ESR_> For me, it was the image of half-naked models laiunching themselves out of a plane with "Ride of the Valkyries" in the background that did it.  It was sublimely ridiculous.
20081229 17:12:46< fendrin> I felt cold during watching it.
20081229 17:13:16< ESR_> (But my reaction may be atypical, as I find obviously fake breasts a turnoff and those women were wall-to-wall plastic.)
20081229 17:15:37< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: does it take long for you to propagate the php to the server? it may or may not be easy for me to test this, but it's such a small change, that if it's easy for you to put it up, in the off chance that it doesn't work, I can switch it back easily...
20081229 17:16:43< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: it is damn easy, i just run svn up on the server after you commited
20081229 17:17:06< crimson_penguin> ok :) maybe I should try testing myself anyway though, because it does look like it MAY be quite easy
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20081229 17:26:13< cib0> hi
20081229 17:26:32< crimson_penguin> hmm, getting the stats didn't seem to work...
20081229 17:28:53< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I've committed
20081229 17:28:56< CIA-54> crimson_penguin * r31799 /branches/resources/gettext.wesnoth.org/public_html/wesnoth-gettext/westats/index.php: Uncommented lines to make position clumping work again
20081229 17:29:21< cib0> Ivanovic, Dragonking, Mordante: how long does it take you to get home from Brussel roughly?
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20081229 17:35:22< boucman> cib0: where's "home" ,
20081229 17:35:56< cib0> the place where you will sleep, basically =)
20081229 17:37:55< cib0> im asking because it says, they depart in late evening, so they will most likely have to drive through a good part of the night.. actually, if i went back by train at that time, i would arrive home sometime the next morning
20081229 17:42:15< cib0> i would arrive home at 11:19 am if i departed at 20:25 pm, lol
20081229 17:42:57< CIA-54> noyga * r31800 /trunk/ (110 files in 14 dirs): Update some SVN props
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20081229 17:47:10< [Relic]> Hello :)
20081229 17:48:32< Ivanovic> cib0: when leaving at ~7pm i should be home at ~10pm
20081229 17:48:48< Ivanovic> and yeah, i will drive back on sunday evening since i got to hold a talk the next day...
20081229 17:49:05< cib0> Ivanovic: no chance im going to school that day :p
20081229 17:49:12< Ivanovic> :)
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20081229 17:49:26< Ivanovic> i got to go to uni and it will be a long and tiring day
20081229 17:51:15< cib0> i bet.. it will be a sleepy day for me =) but i will go sunday, too, i think, since i don't really enjoy sleeping somewhere else and i can sleep in the train, too
20081229 17:52:42< cib0> i can't imagine doing something like going to uni after travelling a whole night, even after traveling at day i am quite exhausted
20081229 17:55:07< cib0> any plans about booking yet?
20081229 17:56:57< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: wanna update the server svn? :)
20081229 17:57:14< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/
20081229 17:57:18< Ivanovic> long done...
20081229 17:57:28< Ivanovic> and yes, it works
20081229 17:57:46< crimson_penguin> oh ok :)
20081229 17:57:55< crimson_penguin> but I didn't do anything with index.langs yet
20081229 17:58:17< crimson_penguin> err, index.lang
20081229 18:00:04< crimson_penguin> but now that I think about it, would it really make sense to show positions for those?
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20081229 18:00:20< crimson_penguin> in fact, currently it's not even sorted
20081229 18:00:39< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: this one could be sorted alphabetically
20081229 18:00:48< Ivanovic> but beside this i don't think anything is required there
20081229 18:01:28< crimson_penguin> ok
20081229 18:01:47< crimson_penguin> it looks like the unofficial ones are sorted alphabetically
20081229 18:02:48< crimson_penguin> gna is so slow on dialup :(
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20081229 18:04:33< cib0> crimson_penguin: you're on dealup? i feel with you =( not many people care much about slow connections these days
20081229 18:04:45< cib0> s/dealup/dialup
20081229 18:05:33< crimson_penguin> cib0: normally I'm not, but the crazy wind yesterday knocked out the power, and that probably took down my wireless internet
20081229 18:05:55< cib0> ah
20081229 18:06:42< cib0> well, i have been on ISDN for a year.. now i have 100 times faster internet, but it taught me to handle network resources with care =)
20081229 18:07:35< crimson_penguin> yeah, I was on dialup until this July, and my wireless internet is kinda inbetween dialup and "highspeed"
20081229 18:07:46< crimson_penguin> I get about 40KB/s down, 20KB/s up
20081229 18:08:52< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I'm gonna mark that "Bring back the .app" as "Fixed"
20081229 18:09:01< Ivanovic> ok
20081229 18:09:42< crimson_penguin> and then there's that other bug with the stats, #12653
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20081229 18:15:41 * crimson_penguin goes to look up how to sort in PHP
20081229 18:19:30< CIA-54> crimson_penguin * r31801 /branches/resources/gettext.wesnoth.org/public_html/wesnoth-gettext/westats/index.lang.php: Added sorting and fixed bug #12653
20081229 18:20:48< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: update again? :)
20081229 18:23:39< Ivanovic> updated 
20081229 18:23:52< Ivanovic> should the list under "Team name" now be sorted apphabetically?
20081229 18:23:59< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/?order=alpha&package=alloff
20081229 18:24:05< Ivanovic> it clearly is not over here...
20081229 18:24:57< crimson_penguin> uh oh, looks like I broke it :(
20081229 18:25:13< Ivanovic> yes, it really looks lik
20081229 18:25:14< Ivanovic> er
20081229 18:25:24< Ivanovic> and don't you have ssh access to wesnoth.org, too?
20081229 18:25:30< Ivanovic> then you can test the stuff yourself easily
20081229 18:25:41< crimson_penguin> oh! well I see why
20081229 18:25:45< crimson_penguin> I don't think I do
20081229 18:27:14< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: and no, I didn't sort that; but I'll do that now
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20081229 18:28:33< crimson_penguin> oh... that's not so easy it seems
20081229 18:28:54< crimson_penguin> damn PHP, it would be really easy in perl :P
20081229 18:30:05< CIA-54> crimson_penguin * r31802 /branches/resources/gettext.wesnoth.org/public_html/wesnoth-gettext/westats/index.lang.php: Fixed broken sorting from previous commit
20081229 18:30:53< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I had access to wesnoth.slack.it, back in the day, but I don't recall ever having ssh access to wesnoth.org
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20081229 18:45:12< crimson_penguin> oh wow, gna automatically puts commit messages that have bug numbers in them, as comments to bug reports
20081229 18:46:20< Ivanovic> jupp
20081229 18:46:28< Ivanovic> gna is really nice in those regards
20081229 18:46:40< [Relic]> :)
20081229 18:47:04< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: and i think for the list in the "show domains for a lang" it is better to have the manual sorting
20081229 18:47:27< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: so that the "non campaign" domain are at the top and the campaigns below
20081229 18:47:41< Ivanovic> (that was the order we basically had there so far)
20081229 18:48:12< crimson_penguin> so, remove the sorting again?
20081229 18:48:16< Ivanovic> yeah
20081229 18:48:21< crimson_penguin> ok
20081229 18:48:33< crimson_penguin> what about for the lower ones?
20081229 18:48:50< crimson_penguin> I guess it hardly matters for them, since there's only 3 currently
20081229 18:48:50< Ivanovic> yeah, there it should be done
20081229 18:49:06< Ivanovic> what do you mean with "lower ones" and "only three of them"?
20081229 18:49:21< Ivanovic> basically we got the list of campaigns, those should be alphabetically sorted
20081229 18:49:21< crimson_penguin> oh, nevermind
20081229 18:49:29< Ivanovic> and the "other stuff", which should be just as it is
20081229 18:49:30< crimson_penguin> in trunk there's only 4, but in 1.4 there's a bunch
20081229 18:49:39< Ivanovic> ahh, usermade content you mean
20081229 18:49:42< crimson_penguin> yeah
20081229 18:49:53< Ivanovic> yeah, those should be sorted alphabetically
20081229 18:49:59< crimson_penguin> ok
20081229 18:50:18< crimson_penguin> but I don't think there's any way I could differentiate the top ones
20081229 18:50:26< crimson_penguin> so I'll just remove the sorting
20081229 18:50:31< Ivanovic> okay, then just use the order as the stuff is in the files
20081229 18:50:44< Ivanovic> (since there the domains are listed by hand)
20081229 18:51:01< crimson_penguin> done
20081229 18:51:20< CIA-54> crimson_penguin * r31803 /branches/resources/gettext.wesnoth.org/public_html/wesnoth-gettext/westats/index.lang.php: Removed sorting for official textdomains
20081229 18:51:58< Ivanovic> running an update now
20081229 18:52:03< crimson_penguin> err... what's RACV Language?
20081229 18:52:19< Ivanovic> some language that is partly based on catalan
20081229 18:52:33< Ivanovic> gave some *huge* discussions on wesnoth-dev ml...
20081229 18:52:47< crimson_penguin> heh
20081229 18:52:50< Ivanovic> since what was named "catalan" before, was not "real" catalan
20081229 18:53:19< crimson_penguin> interesting
20081229 18:57:22 * crimson_penguin thinks it's time to get up and eat stuff
20081229 18:57:42< Ivanovic> yes, it is about time to get up and get some tasty pizza...
20081229 18:58:55 * crimson_penguin wishes he had tastey pizza, but may have to settle for cheesecake, or fruitcake or something... :D
20081229 19:02:26< Ivanovic> yeah, i will visit a "dönerbude" and get me some pizza doener
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20081229 19:59:05< zookeeper> mordante, should i commit the transparent versions of TSI's saurian portraits with the appropriate portrait WML?
20081229 19:59:32< kitty_> no. he will apply changes to the skirmisher after the holidays.
20081229 19:59:42< zookeeper> i'd like to have those in 1.5.7 even if he doesn't revise them before it
20081229 19:59:48< zookeeper> better than nothing for sure
20081229 20:00:07< kitty_> but will he revise them if they are already in?
20081229 20:00:36< zookeeper> why wouldn't he? we'd still put them in if he wouldn't revise them, so it shouldn't affect his motivation either
20081229 20:01:01< kitty_> mpf.
20081229 20:01:16< zookeeper> no?
20081229 20:01:36< kitty_> ok, lets try it...
20081229 20:02:10< kitty_> oh and we didn't have a consensus on the cropping question yet
20081229 20:02:25< zookeeper> but then again, if 1.5.7 is mostly going to be a portrait-engine testing release, i guess it doesn't matter much if they're in or not
20081229 20:02:57< kitty_> ok, then take the full ones, so we can see how they'll look
20081229 20:03:11< Rrenys> Wasnt his earlier saurian portrait for that orcish campaign so much better than his new saurian skirmisher portrait anyway?
20081229 20:03:53< kitty_> yup, inarix was *very* good, it's not always easy to match one's own bar....
20081229 20:04:13< mordante> cib0 I probably also drive home on sunday evening, driving in the Netherlands is hell (too much traffic jams)
20081229 20:04:32< Rrenys> Wouldnt it make more sense to apply the better portrait to be the one more often seen (that is, to have inarix be default portrait)?
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20081229 20:05:05< zookeeper> maybe, if he wants to do it
20081229 20:05:14< kitty_> that would be for tsr and zookeeper to decide - he did inarix for the campaign.
20081229 20:05:34< zookeeper> now that we actually have the generic skirmisher portrait, i don't care anymore. up to him i guess.
20081229 20:06:06< kitty_> shall i write him a pm?
20081229 20:06:21< zookeeper> go ahead
20081229 20:06:28< mordante> zookeeper I've no problem if you commit them, but I don't know how ready they are
20081229 20:06:32< kitty_> and until when does he have to decide?
20081229 20:07:10< mordante> until Ivanovic decides to release 1.5.7
20081229 20:07:28< mordante> he planned to do that tomorrow
20081229 20:08:25< kitty_> ok, we'll see if he answers, otherwise we'll take the one he intended for the skirmisher.
20081229 20:10:07< zookeeper> mordante, do you think you'll get the hack that enables new-style portraits by guessing from the image dimensions in before the tagging (i could replace for instance all the SotBE portraits with the transparent versions in that case)?
20081229 20:10:50< mordante> not before tagging 1.5.7
20081229 20:11:04< zookeeper> ok
20081229 20:11:57< Sirp> kitty_: Nice to see you around on IRC. :)
20081229 20:12:05< kitty_> hi!
20081229 20:12:45< Sirp> mordante: for some reason it seems like we are getting some bad free() calls from within SDL code; not sure why though. :(
20081229 20:13:40< mordante> Sirp I reached the same conclusion, but also no idea why :-(
20081229 20:13:40< Sirp> mordante: I added some code to poolalloc for testing which maintains an array of all addresses returned from malloc(). Then when free() is called it walks through the array and sees if the address came from malloc() and clears it if it finds it, otherwise it reports an error....
20081229 20:14:13< Sirp> mordante: unless there is some other allocation function we are not overwriting properly....
20081229 20:14:43< mordante> well there might be, found posix_memalign that way
20081229 20:14:48 * boucman has bad memories hunting hidden allocators from hell
20081229 20:15:02< mordante> but I looked at valgrind and the memory seems to be allocated by malloc
20081229 20:15:05< Sirp> there's reallocf I guess.
20081229 20:16:04< mordante> it's allocated in libresolve, so maybe it uses a way to call malloc directly without using our malloc
20081229 20:16:48< mordante> the odd thing in the valgrind traces is that I don't see poolalloc code before the malloc
20081229 20:16:55< Sirp> what's libresolve?
20081229 20:16:58< mordante> s/code/calls/
20081229 20:17:11< Sirp> is that to resolve what functions should be called?
20081229 20:17:13< mordante> network address resolving 
20081229 20:17:20< cib0> does rand work with comma seperated lists_
20081229 20:17:32< mordante> IIRC gethostbyname or something similar
20081229 20:17:34< boucman> doesn't that lib has a fixed buffer it overwrites ?
20081229 20:17:45< Sirp> mordante: ahhhh
20081229 20:17:53< Sirp> mordante: maybe libresolve is statically linked?
20081229 20:18:16< mordante> no idea, but why does it malloc directly, but free via poolalloc?
20081229 20:19:06< mordante> boucman well it calls malloc
20081229 20:19:20< boucman> ok, not the same libresolve I worked with
20081229 20:19:41< zookeeper> kitty_, btw, if you're ever looking for a rather small set of campaign portraits needed (in relation to LoW or IftU anyway), then descent into darkness would be one which eventually needs a new portrait set. i think it'd ideally need about 6.
20081229 20:20:01< zookeeper> (all of them humans)
20081229 20:20:47< kitty_> zookeeper: haha, it will never end! but after iftu there is a *lot* of mainline generic stuff waiting! but i won't forget it  :P 
20081229 20:20:55< mordante> boucman it might call malloc for some helper function, but libresolv didn't have symbols loaded
20081229 20:21:10< zookeeper> well, aOI would be even smaller, maybe 3 portraits :) but i think you're sick of elves.
20081229 20:21:17< boucman> hmm
20081229 20:21:36< kitty_> kill pointy-ears! kill! kill! kill!
20081229 20:21:53< zookeeper> kitty_, of course it'll never end, i'm sure you knew it when signing up ;)
20081229 20:22:12< boucman> niark ;)
20081229 20:22:16< kitty_> zookeeper: no, i was young and innocent...
20081229 20:22:27< zookeeper> anyways, there's never an end for portrait needs
20081229 20:22:49< zookeeper> so at least it's easy to give new artists things to do if more of them show up
20081229 20:23:25< kitty_> perhaps if all generic stuff is done and there are no ideas for campaigns anymore out there (not very propable, i assume).
20081229 20:23:50< kitty_> yes! yay for lordbob and spaceinvader's improvement! and may stefan come back!
20081229 20:24:25< boucman> kitty_: if I may give you a small trick for your new position as portrait director
20081229 20:24:43< boucman> it's all about ego management, artistic talent is a distent second...
20081229 20:24:53< boucman> :P
20081229 20:25:00< zookeeper> yeah, you have to deal with artists
20081229 20:25:25< kitty_> you mean jetryl tricked me? he promised me no additional work...
20081229 20:25:52< kitty_> i suspected it... bah - human relationships!
20081229 20:25:54< Ivanovic> boucman, ilor, cib0, mordante, Dragonking: sent a mail to the ml regarding the rooms/beds at fosdem
20081229 20:26:24< boucman> ok, will look at it asap
20081229 20:26:46< Ivanovic> that is i basically asked for everyone who wants a bed at bruegel, too, to just ping me
20081229 20:26:58< boucman> kitty_: I think it's fun, it just mean thinking of yourself as someone with authority when replying to the forum
20081229 20:27:15< boucman> i.e people really read, misunderstand, and act upon what you say
20081229 20:27:19< Ivanovic> kitty_: you can show your sadistic side
20081229 20:27:21< Ivanovic> ;)
20081229 20:27:28< kitty_> boucman: you make it sound fun!
20081229 20:27:36< boucman> my way of saying that was a bit less direct, but that sort of the idea
20081229 20:27:44< boucman> I really think it is,
20081229 20:28:02< Rrenys> Plus you can demote Jetryl to regural forum user now?
20081229 20:28:17< boucman> conciously managing people's ago to get them to happily do what you want is both fun and a usefull skill to have
20081229 20:28:19< Ivanovic> (translation from what boucman wrote): "i.e people really read, misunderstand, and act upon what you say" -> "people do read something, want to understand it in a completely different way, and act the way they wanted to act anyway, as long as it gets onto you nerves"
20081229 20:28:20< Dragonking> Ivanovic: So, if I want a bed, I shall ping you? :)
20081229 20:28:22< kitty_> Rrenys: ??
20081229 20:28:25< Ivanovic> Dragonking: yeah
20081229 20:28:33< Dragonking> Ivanovic: PING!
20081229 20:28:34< Dragonking> :)
20081229 20:28:37< Ivanovic> :)
20081229 20:28:39< boucman> jetryl is a master of that game, he manages to actually train people the way he wants without them noticing
20081229 20:28:46< Dragonking> Ivanovic: Do I have bed now? ;p
20081229 20:28:47< Rrenys> kitty, in response to "21:25 | <kitty_> you mean jetryl tricked me? he promised me no additional work... "
20081229 20:28:51< Ivanovic> Dragonking: no
20081229 20:28:54< Dragonking> :<
20081229 20:28:55< Ivanovic> you are just on the stack...
20081229 20:29:02< Dragonking> :)
20081229 20:29:05< boucman> Rrenys: nope, kitty is a portrait director, jetryl is still art director
20081229 20:29:06< mordante> Ivanovic ping
20081229 20:29:35< Ivanovic> Dragonking: you should also write me a mail with stuff like when your plain will arrive in dortmund and maybe a photo, so that i got a real chance to recognise you
20081229 20:29:38< cib0> Ivanovic: count me in for Bruegel
20081229 20:29:48< kitty_> i'll observe the master, then... 
20081229 20:29:58< Ivanovic> kitty_: want to join us at fosdem, too?
20081229 20:30:06< Ivanovic> we tend to not bite, unless we are starving
20081229 20:30:07< Ivanovic> ;)
20081229 20:30:13< mordante> kitty_ your the master of portrait ;-)
20081229 20:30:18< mordante> portraits*
20081229 20:30:19< Dragonking> Ivanovic: I'll add some info to forums thread
20081229 20:30:26< Dragonking> Cell phone etc
20081229 20:30:27< Ivanovic> Dragonking: okay
20081229 20:30:35< kitty_> Ivanovic: no time, i have an important presentation at that date
20081229 20:30:37< Ivanovic> Dragonking: do so in the moderators forum
20081229 20:30:38 * boucman think it would be cool if the coders were not the only ones to meet
20081229 20:30:41< Ivanovic> kitty_: :(
20081229 20:30:42< Dragonking> Ivanovic: I know :)
20081229 20:30:52< mordante> kitty_ :-(
20081229 20:31:02< Ivanovic> kitty_: i got to hold a talk right on the monday afterwards, so excuses like this do not count
20081229 20:31:06< Dragonking> kitty_: :-(
20081229 20:31:10< boucman> I speak generally, not just in the fosdem context, btw
20081229 20:31:22< Ivanovic> boucman: hey, i am not too much of a coder, i am more like "administrative stuff"
20081229 20:31:24< Ivanovic> ;)
20081229 20:31:26< kitty_> but i imagine it to be a lot of code babbeling however...
20081229 20:31:28< mordante> now neo has no choice ;-)
20081229 20:31:39< Ivanovic> but yeah, it would be *great* to have a meeting with all kinds of wesnoth folks
20081229 20:31:45< Dragonking> boucman: I'm MP dev too ;p
20081229 20:31:56< Dragonking> We can have 1v1 at FOSDEM :)
20081229 20:31:58< Dragonking> ;p
20081229 20:32:06< Ivanovic> btw have i mentioned that we met someone at the google summer of code who was also involved in wesnoth once?
20081229 20:32:13< boucman> Ivanovic: you're the release manager, that mean "chief butt-kicker" in normal talk :) you honestly deserve a place within our little group 
20081229 20:32:14< Ivanovic> she was once the maintainer of the turkish translation
20081229 20:32:28< mordante> Dragonking more all of us against you so we have a chance to win :-P
20081229 20:32:38< Ivanovic> mordante: okay, this sounds fair!
20081229 20:32:38< boucman> Dragonking: I never managed to win HTTT on easy, remember ?
20081229 20:32:49< Dragonking> boucman: Me too. ;p
20081229 20:32:58< Dragonking> Tho I never tried it on easy ;)
20081229 20:33:03< boucman> :P
20081229 20:33:05< Ivanovic> Dragonking: the difference is, you never tried
20081229 20:33:15< Dragonking> Fair enough. ;)
20081229 20:33:16< boucman> what Ivanovic said
20081229 20:33:25< mordante> well I guess we have a bunch of translators as well at the fosdem ;-)
20081229 20:34:11< Dragonking> hehe
20081229 20:34:34< Ivanovic> mordante: but only because many of our devs also somehow help with the translations
20081229 20:34:50< mordante> details ;-)
20081229 20:35:45< boucman> wesbot: seen Noyga
20081229 20:35:45< wesbot> boucman: Queried user Noyga is currently here on on the channel #wesnoth.
20081229 20:35:53< boucman> Noyga: around ?
20081229 20:36:10< Noyga> yeah, just finished dinner :)
20081229 20:36:22< boucman> planning for fosdem this year ?
20081229 20:36:29< cib0> is FOSDEM really that much about coding?
20081229 20:36:32< Noyga> likely, yes
20081229 20:36:40< Ivanovic> cib0: it is more like "getting together"
20081229 20:36:49< Ivanovic> cib0: most of the time we were talking and planning things
20081229 20:36:57< boucman> cib0: well, it's more about getting together and discussing wesnoth
20081229 20:37:07< cib0> thought so
20081229 20:37:12< boucman> we happen to code a lot, but that's because there are lot of coders around
20081229 20:37:20< cib0> heh, the better :p
20081229 20:37:23< boucman> if there were WML artists we would do WML
20081229 20:37:40< boucman> and if we had many MP dev, we would do a pirate lan party somewhere in the dev rooms :P
20081229 20:37:48< Noyga> :)
20081229 20:37:48< cib0> i was WML artist before i became coder, so.. :p
20081229 20:37:58< boucman> Noyga: will you fill the wiki page ?
20081229 20:38:12< boucman> cib0: multiclassing, are we ?
20081229 20:39:07< Ivanovic> cib0: do not look at what i have done in regards to wesnoth so far
20081229 20:39:20< Ivanovic> that is: only in the area of music and other artworks i lack
20081229 20:39:47 * boucman only ever did coding...
20081229 20:39:54< cib0> same here, plus things like administration, but that's simply not my field of interest
20081229 20:40:13< mordante> didn't you also translate boucman ?
20081229 20:40:25< boucman> a little, but nothing significative
20081229 20:40:42< boucman> I wanted my first contribution to be the death animation code, but Sirp beat me to it
20081229 20:40:52< boucman> I did most of the other animations, though
20081229 20:40:53< cib0> haven't most of the coder done WML? i mean, you must know WML quite well to understand how wesnoth works
20081229 20:41:01 * Ivanovic is in translations, campaign maintance (two brothers), build systems (cmake), server administration (not much, but i got access ^^), releases, and whatever i have forgotten
20081229 20:41:50< boucman> well, OK
20081229 20:42:10< mordante> I understand WML and know where to find the info, but never really did a campaign or anything with it
20081229 20:42:19< boucman> I also proofread 90% of the wesnoth code around version 0.8 to write the WMLReference wiki pages...
20081229 20:42:40< ilor> cib0: you'd be surprised how far I went into coding the editor without getting much into WML ;)
20081229 20:43:28< mordante> same for the gui code and if I need WML there I define my own syntax :-)
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20081229 20:44:36< ilor> Ivanovic: how much is the bruegel hostel per night and how long will you be all staying there?
20081229 20:44:58< Ivanovic> ilor: Dragonking and me will be staying there from friday to sunday (two nights)
20081229 20:45:10 * boucman probably the same
20081229 20:45:17 * mordante too unless I can't get free on friday
20081229 20:45:17< Noyga> ok, i've added myself to the fosdem wiki, but without many info (since i made no plan yet :))
20081229 20:45:32< Ivanovic> if we still get a four bed room, the price will be (since i am <26): 18,60€+3€ per night
20081229 20:46:05< Ivanovic> if it is a two bed room, it will be 22,60€+3€ per person and night
20081229 20:46:26< cib0> what the hell.. for some reason my SVN build will freeze at creating the cache..
20081229 20:46:30< boucman> kitty_: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=328495#p328495
20081229 20:46:41< boucman> if you're fast, you might answer before he disconnects :P
20081229 20:47:37< mordante> cib0 how recent is your SVN?
20081229 20:47:52< ilor> Ivanovic: if I get to fosdem I'll most likely want to stay till monday
20081229 20:48:06< Ivanovic> ilor: getting an extra night there is no problem
20081229 20:48:38< ilor> there's a reasonable flight from brussels to poland on monday around noon that, including the night and all wait times, will get me home faster than a train on sunday evening...
20081229 20:48:50< Ivanovic> :)
20081229 20:48:54< mordante> :-)
20081229 20:49:05< cib0> mordante: not very recent, updating and rebuilding
20081229 20:49:18< ilor> I haven't even checked the train prices, I don;t expect them to be very good either
20081229 20:49:50< mordante> cib0 what kind of system are you on?
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20081229 20:50:02< cib0> debian
20081229 20:50:13< Ivanovic> fendrin: fosdem?
20081229 20:50:16< mordante> and what CPU?
20081229 20:50:17< Ivanovic> cf dev mailling list
20081229 20:50:41< cib0> mordante: single core pentium M
20081229 20:50:45< Dragonking> ilor: I wonder, how much for a fligh?
20081229 20:50:49< Dragonking> flight even
20081229 20:50:52< Dragonking> And what airlines?
20081229 20:51:05< mordante> ok
20081229 20:51:20< ilor> I found krakow-brussels for around 600pln (return)
20081229 20:51:23< Ivanovic> Dragonking: hey, the flights you got are (both ways combined) cheaper than the beds in the hostel...
20081229 20:51:33< Dragonking> Ivanovic: I know :)
20081229 20:51:40< kitty_> boucman: just saw your link, i'll be too slow....
20081229 20:51:48< Ivanovic> okay, that is only to dortmund, but reasonably close
20081229 20:51:58< Dragonking> ilor: hm, quite expensive
20081229 20:52:14< fendrin_> Ivanovic: No not me.
20081229 20:52:22< Dragonking> WizzAir should have somehing from katowice for around 300zł both ways
20081229 20:52:27< Ivanovic> fendrin_: :(
20081229 20:52:35< ilor> it's only around 200 to brussels so I migh try looking for a better return 
20081229 20:54:13< ilor> hmm, the search site I used somehow excluded wizzair
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20081229 20:54:45< ilor> there's a nice if a bit early flight on saturday morning (6am)
20081229 20:54:53< Dragonking> I did consider that one
20081229 20:55:09< ilor> no good return flight though
20081229 20:55:15< Dragonking> But flight back is bad
20081229 20:55:17< Dragonking> Yup
20081229 20:56:18< cib0> i could go by bicycle if i started now.. would be very cost-effective :p atleast if i leave out the sleeping and eating for a while
20081229 20:57:14< Dragonking> Only thanks to Ivanovic I somehow avoided some quite bad flight connection to/from FOSDEM :)
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20081229 21:05:54< cib0> Orcish Grunt is not a known unit type... ?!?!
20081229 21:08:35< cib0> have the units been renamed?
20081229 21:10:26< Noyga> no, perhaps a broken path somewhere ?
20081229 21:11:18< cib0> can a broken path in custom content result in standard units not being found?
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20081229 21:14:07< ilor> Ivanovic: when does fosdem end on sunday? (found a flight from brussels-charleroi to warsaw on sunday 20:45)
20081229 21:14:26< Ivanovic> ilor: some times in the afternoon
20081229 21:14:38< Ivanovic> that is i think last year we parted around 6pm
20081229 21:14:48< Ivanovic> and of course you can leave earlier, when you got to
20081229 21:15:10< boucman> ilor: don't worry, brussel is a really nice city to visit if you have a few spare hours
20081229 21:15:28< Ivanovic> i think grzywacz had to leave some time around 2pm last year (or was it ettin?)
20081229 21:15:29< boucman> and their reputation for beer and chocolates is not exactly unjustified :)
20081229 21:15:56< ilor> boucman: yeah, though I'm looking at a return flight that's 1/4 the cost of what I found for monady morning ;)
20081229 21:15:56 * Ivanovic switches to leslie mode...
20081229 21:16:05< Ivanovic> chocolate! chocolate! chocolate!
20081229 21:16:11 * Ivanovic turns leslie mode off
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20081229 21:25:37< zookeeper> fendrin_, around?
20081229 21:26:06< fendrin_> zookeeper: yes
20081229 21:26:22< zookeeper> any objections to me removing some UtBS trait silliness? namely, no three traits per unit (kaleh, nym, zhul) and no traits for any leaders
20081229 21:26:58< Rrenys> LoW also has 3 traits per unit
20081229 21:27:03< Rrenys> 1.5.6 at least, that is
20081229 21:27:05< fendrin_> right
20081229 21:27:23< fendrin_> 2 traits + loyal
20081229 21:27:29< Rrenys> yes
20081229 21:27:41< fendrin_> I hoped the interface would learn to display them well.
20081229 21:28:06< mordante> it should learn it at some point ;-)
20081229 21:30:11< fendrin_> zookeeper: Why should all leaders lose the traits?
20081229 21:30:42< CIA-54> baufo * r31804 /trunk/src/multiplayer_ui.cpp: enabling wildcard matching for displaying the user list
20081229 21:31:28< cib0> sniffs
20081229 21:31:38< cib0> unknown unit type: Orcish Archer
20081229 21:32:43< cib0> oohhh.. bad handling of spaces
20081229 21:32:49< cib0> it included the space into the unit type, duh
20081229 21:33:20< zookeeper> fendrin_, well, just because no leaders in the other campaigns have traits
20081229 21:33:29< zookeeper> it's kind of a convention AFAICT that leaders get no traits
20081229 21:33:40< zookeeper> regular enemy leaders anyway
20081229 21:34:13< cib0> i think it should strip whitespaces when evaluating comma-seperated lists
20081229 21:34:32< cib0> i can do that right now actually, i guess
20081229 21:35:00< zookeeper> yeah, sounds fine
20081229 21:35:20< zookeeper> hmm, can you quote in the middle of a list?
20081229 21:35:35< cib0> i think so, but i never tried it out
20081229 21:35:41< zookeeper> like if i wanted foo=bar," hasprecedingspace",3
20081229 21:36:22< fendrin_> zookeeper: I can't see how the traits do any harm. Please let them in.
20081229 21:36:35< zookeeper> i guess you could still do foo=bar,+" hasprecedingspace"+,3 or foo="bar,"+" hasprecedingspace"+",3" then
20081229 21:36:40< zookeeper> fendrin_, ok
20081229 21:38:07< zookeeper> although loyal specifically on a leader is kinda dorky
20081229 21:41:04< fendrin_> zookeeper: yeah, and it's not needed on the silver crowned units as well.
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20081229 21:44:49< Ivanovic> fendrin_: uhm, are you sure?
20081229 21:45:04< Ivanovic> normally the silver crown is just an overlay image, nothing else
20081229 21:45:26< Ivanovic> so you got to make sure that the trait is given (maybe that is done in the IS_HERO macro, not sure though)
20081229 21:46:20< fendrin_> Ivanovic: right
20081229 21:47:26< fendrin_> Ivanovic: The problem is there is only place on the gui for display 2 traits. If you assign more they are not displayed properly.
20081229 21:56:47< mordante> well I see that as an engine bug
20081229 21:57:55< cib0> does anyone know what mistake causes all die events to trigger at the first end of turn?
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20081229 21:58:51< fendrin_> cib0: how can I reproduce that?
20081229 21:59:32< cib0> fendrin_: no idea, that's my question. maybe someone has had that problem once
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20081229 21:59:47< cib0> i replaced some spawns in Fall of Trent and wham, all die events trigger
20081229 21:59:53< cib0> oh, i also ran WMLlint..
20081229 22:05:51< crimson_penguin> wesbot: topic
20081229 22:06:01< crimson_penguin> hmm
20081229 22:06:16< crimson_penguin> but didn't I mark 2 bugs as fixed..?
20081229 22:07:59< mordante> it looks there's a new bug, which loves ESR_ 
20081229 22:08:10< zookeeper> oh for f***'s sake this retarded WML of blood is thicker than water is killing >.<
20081229 22:08:19< mordante> (if not fixed already)
20081229 22:08:21< zookeeper> killing me, even
20081229 22:08:32< zookeeper> how the hell is the scenario supposed to work anyway?
20081229 22:08:38< boucman> zookeeper: is that a sentence from UtBS ?
20081229 22:08:47< boucman> or is it about UtBS ? :P
20081229 22:08:49< zookeeper> i could just rewrite and reorder the relevant bits if i knew how it's supposed to work
20081229 22:08:57< zookeeper> a scenario from UtBS, yes
20081229 22:10:07< fendrin_> zookeeper: what is wrong with that utbs s?
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20081229 22:11:41< zookeeper> fendrin_, there's dumb WML duplication and i have no idea how the initial 3 enemy leaders' "retreating" is supposed to work. the code seems to imply that they all retreat if darius is alive, but no one does if he isn't.
20081229 22:12:09< boucman> zookeeper: don't forget about potential bugs :P
20081229 22:12:32< zookeeper> and that 500-line macro...
20081229 22:12:35< boucman> I think you would be better inferring what's supposed to happen from the scenario text rather than from the WML code itself
20081229 22:13:38< fendrin_> zookeeper: There are many parts in utbs that look like that.
20081229 22:13:52< ESR_> mordante: hat new bug is this?
20081229 22:14:00< mordante> ESR_ https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12798
20081229 22:14:02< ESR_> s/hat/what/
20081229 22:15:31< crimson_penguin> 500 line macro? wow
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20081229 22:17:18< ESR_> mordante: That reportn is pretty high on the "annoying and useless" scale.  I've marked it "Need Info".
20081229 22:17:40< mordante> isn't another of those recruit messages>
20081229 22:17:43< mordante> ?
20081229 22:23:59< CIA-54> zookeeper * r31805 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/ (8 files): Some random cleanups, mostly removing redundant upkeep attributes and reordering some traits.
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20081229 22:39:21< CIA-54> mordante * r31806 /trunk/src/gui/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 
20081229 22:39:21< CIA-54> Reimplement the visibility of widgets.
20081229 22:39:21< CIA-54> Widget can now be shown, hidden or be invisible. The invisible state
20081229 22:39:21< CIA-54> also makes a widget not to use any space, which will allow to optimize
20081229 22:39:21< CIA-54> the scrollbars away when not needed.
20081229 22:39:23< CIA-54> mordante * r31807 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
20081229 22:39:26< CIA-54> Improve the showing of scrollbars.
20081229 22:39:28< CIA-54> The not needed scrollbars are no longer shown, the space reserved for
20081229 22:39:30< CIA-54> them is not always freed. (Easyclose still doesn't work as wanted.)
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20081229 22:43:56< ESR_> mordante: Yes, but until I can actually see one of the errords it's basically impossible top know how to extend the test coverage in the right way.
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20081229 22:49:18< CIA-54> baufo * r31808 /trunk/data/multiplayer/scenarios/ (4 files): for now disabling the new maps
20081229 22:51:18< CIA-54> zookeeper * r31809 /trunk/data/core/help.cfg: Added a translation marker I forgot.
20081229 22:51:22< mordante> Ivanovic the server doesn't seem to respond :-(
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20081229 22:58:55< loonycyborg> mordante: If you mean wesnoth.org it does for me.
20081229 22:59:16< mordante> it times out for me
20081229 23:00:18< voris> I connect to it also.
20081229 23:00:34< mordante> odd
20081229 23:00:35< loonycyborg> mordante: Perhaps your connection just suddenly decided to start sucking?
20081229 23:00:59< loonycyborg> (like mine often does lately)
20081229 23:01:16< mordante> odd just works again :-/
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20081229 23:13:54< boucman> anybody knowing how to commit music could have a look at http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=327901#p327901 ?
20081229 23:14:05 * boucman doesn't know anything about the music thingies
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20081229 23:15:45< loonycyborg> boucman: You wonder to whuch directory it should go?
20081229 23:15:49< loonycyborg> *which
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20081229 23:16:14< boucman> not so much as what must be done about tags
20081229 23:16:23< boucman> directory is sorted by author IIRC
20081229 23:16:57< boucman> and if/how add to playlists and which ones...
20081229 23:18:21< loonycyborg> boucman: Just commit it to data/core/music and someone else will fix that :)
20081229 23:18:35< boucman> not sure it's a good idea...
20081229 23:18:58< boucman> IIRC that makes it be uploaded twice through SVN since it's binary
20081229 23:19:09< boucman> I think poking zookeeper tomorow would be smarter
20081229 23:19:17< loonycyborg> boucman: What do you mean as 'tags'?
20081229 23:19:41< boucman> the strings "author" "date" "genre" comments in the ogg header
20081229 23:19:47< boucman> equivalent of ID3 for MP3
20081229 23:20:13< boucman> there is a wesnoth convention wrt how to fill them, but I don't know it
20081229 23:20:31< loonycyborg> Neither do I.
20081229 23:21:05< loonycyborg> Is there an utility to view this data?
20081229 23:27:06< boucman> most players will display it...
20081229 23:27:17< boucman> it's not used by wesnoth itself if that's what you mean
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20081229 23:28:30< loonycyborg> Indeed. E.g. mplayer displays it.
20081229 23:28:50< loonycyborg> How does one alter this information?
20081229 23:28:52< boucman> mplayer -identify to have them all iirc
20081229 23:28:58< boucman> not sure
20081229 23:29:06< boucman> man mencoder :P
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