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20081230 00:26:38< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31810 /trunk/po/ (4 files in 4 dirs): updated Chinese (Simplified) translation
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20081230 00:42:31< Ivanovic> ESR_: so are you celebrating today, that amd/ati finally gave out some more code/specifications for the latest graphic cards?
20081230 00:43:32 * Ivanovic already said about two years ago, when amd bought ati, that good things might come from this and i was not too wrong looking at the rather new open source support emerging from this...
20081230 00:43:34< Ivanovic> ;)
20081230 00:47:10< Sirp> so does this mean Wesnoth will be able to move to opengl? :)
20081230 00:47:11< mordante> guess I'll read the story tomorrow :-)
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20081230 01:04:30< mordante> night
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20081230 01:07:33< ESR_> Ivanovic: Hadn't heard about it, actually.
20081230 01:09:53< Ivanovic> Sirp: but what about nvidia?
20081230 01:09:56< Ivanovic> ;)
20081230 01:10:08< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31811 /trunk/po/ (188 files in 4 dirs): just another pot-update (get the missing description for the costal reef in, was not marked translateable before; reference updates...)
20081230 01:10:18< CIA-54> mordante * r31812 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (scrollbar_container.cpp scrollbar_container.hpp): Fix easyclose.
20081230 01:10:48< Ivanovic> ESR_: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_r600_oss_3d&num=1
20081230 01:11:29< Ivanovic> i guess this stuff will make it to /. son
20081230 01:11:33< Ivanovic> s/son/soon
20081230 01:11:44< Ivanovic> okay, gpt tp head off to bed now, n8
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20081230 02:19:43< norbert_> hi all, is dev only about the source code or also where people who create campaigns hang out?
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20081230 02:20:26< norbert_> I'm using 1.5.6 and tried the skeleton campaign, but it gives a "game_error: Unknown unit type", like the Tale of a Mage campaign
20081230 02:20:51< norbert_> I can probably fix that, but just thought I'd let you know the skeleton campaign does no longer work by default
20081230 02:22:27< Espreon> norbert_: There are some devs who deal with source code, other deal with WML, others deal with MP balance, a couple deal with art, and a few deal with music.
20081230 02:22:37< Espreon> *others deal with WML
20081230 02:22:38 * Turuk_ is not sure skeleton was made to work on 1.5.6
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20081230 02:23:26< Espreon> norbert_: What is this "the skeleton campaign" of which you speak?
20081230 02:23:52< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: Apparently I'll be without real internet until Thursday, due to a wind storm knocking out power... so, I can't make any binaries until then
20081230 02:24:05< norbert_> Espreon: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22321
20081230 02:24:23< norbert_> Espreon: it's linked from several 'howto' places in the wiki
20081230 02:24:38< Espreon> Ah, that.
20081230 02:24:42< norbert_> it says "This is for 1.4 not 1.5"
20081230 02:25:13< norbert_> I see that now; didn't before because all links go directly to the .tar.gz file; now looked for the thread via Google
20081230 02:25:24< Espreon> It will NOT work for 1.5 in its current state.
20081230 02:25:51 * Turuk is psychic.
20081230 02:26:10< Espreon> It needs a wmllint run, and possibly some manual fixes after said run.
20081230 02:26:36< norbert_> okay
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20081230 02:39:09< norbert_> does anyone know whether the release of CampGen 0.28 is expected any time soon?
20081230 02:39:22 * Espreon laughs.
20081230 02:39:33< Espreon> I would not use CampGen.
20081230 02:39:53< norbert_> go on... :)
20081230 02:40:00< Espreon> Believe me, using a text editor is much easier than a confusing GUI.
20081230 02:40:34< norbert_> is there anything close to CampGen being (actively) developed that is promising?
20081230 02:40:52< Espreon> No.
20081230 02:41:06< Espreon> I would suggest that you try a text editor.
20081230 02:41:21< Espreon> norbert_: Which OS are you using?
20081230 02:41:26< norbert_> Debian
20081230 02:41:42< Espreon> Use Kate.
20081230 02:42:43< Espreon> There is a syntax highlighting file for Kate available here: http://wesnoth-umc-dev.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/wesnoth-umc-dev/branches/wml-tools/katepart-syntax/
20081230 02:42:48< norbert_> but apart from a confusing GUI, is CampGen buggy and is allefant still working on it?
20081230 02:43:09< Espreon> In my experiences, CampGen is buggy, and I am not sure if he is still developing it.
20081230 02:43:22< Espreon> In addition, it will certainly not work with 1.5x and beyond.
20081230 02:43:43< norbert_> I'm not a kate person; I'll stick with vim
20081230 02:44:07< Espreon> :(
20081230 02:45:32< norbert_> I'll send an e-mail to allefant@gmail.com and ask him whether any future releases are to be expected (any time soon)
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20081230 03:03:58< norbert_> how likely is it that the WML used with 1.5.6 is going to change within months? and if it will, will the changes be large?
20081230 03:04:14< norbert_> (large->substantial)
20081230 03:05:48< Turuk> 1%
20081230 03:05:50< Turuk> and nope
20081230 03:06:23< norbert_> okay, thanks
20081230 03:06:42< Turuk> not a problem
20081230 03:10:33< norbert_> did a lot of add-ons get removed recently? or is that because 1.5.6 only displays what's compatible?
20081230 03:10:47< Turuk> 1.5.6 uses a different add-on server
20081230 03:10:54< Turuk> so if the content has not been uploaded
20081230 03:10:56< Turuk> it will not be on there
20081230 03:11:35< norbert_> ok
20081230 03:14:36< norbert_> that list should probably not display add-ons that are already installed; would it be useful if I made a bug report (wish) for that, or is it one of the things that people know about and what'll be changed in the future?
20081230 03:15:24< Turuk> I do believe there is effort being made to do something to that effect
20081230 03:15:41< Turuk> the fact that it will tell you the type of add-on is already a great step in the right direction
20081230 03:15:54< norbert_> absolutely
20081230 03:16:40< cib0> id rather have it be optional though, i often modify campaigns and want the original again
20081230 03:17:43< norbert_> well, if you know how to modify campaigns, you could probably remove the modified version (the directory) yourself
20081230 03:18:03< norbert_> and/or edit whatever file keeps a list of installed add-ons
20081230 03:20:03< cib0> it's still quite comfortable just to redownload it
20081230 03:21:06< norbert_> yeah, a checkbox could do the job ("only show add-ons not installed")
20081230 03:30:19< Shadow_Master> @whoever inserted the int in asserts.hpp:
20081230 03:30:34< Shadow_Master> in MSC++ the syntax would be __asm { int 3 }
20081230 03:31:15< Shadow_Master> although I am not sure whether that generates 0xCC or 0xCD 0x03
20081230 03:32:18< Shadow_Master> and please do not request me anything until I get my new laptop working ...
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20081230 03:35:24< norbert_> public final static int STOP_PROGRAM     = 0x03;
20081230 03:35:56< norbert_> __asm { int 3 } probably generates 0x03
20081230 03:36:35< norbert_> (but I had assembly code, so don't trust me)
20081230 03:37:28< norbert_> Espreon: I've looked at the CampGen screenshots for quite some time now and I have to say it looks better than I'd think if I only go by what you said :)
20081230 03:38:05< Espreon> I initially thought that CampGen would be a joy to use... but then... I used CampGen.
20081230 03:38:23< norbert_> hum... okay
20081230 03:38:44< norbert_> and that was a recent version, or?
20081230 03:38:45< Shadow_Master> norbert_: 0x03 ?!?
20081230 03:39:43< Shadow_Master> do you mean 0xCD 0x03, which is an INT 3. I have no idea what instruction 0x03 is (if it is a valid instruction at all)
20081230 03:39:48< norbert_> isn't 3 dec 0x03 hex?
20081230 03:40:25< norbert_> it appears to be an instruction to stop a program, according to stuff I found via Google
20081230 03:40:57< norbert_> but, like I said, I'm a total assembly noob
20081230 03:41:00< Shadow_Master> I suspect that it isn't.
20081230 03:41:11< Shadow_Master> INT n, INTO and INT3 are.
20081230 03:41:24< Shadow_Master> but 0x03 probably is something else, or an Undefined Opcode
20081230 03:41:59< Shadow_Master> (btw, there's a subtle difference between INT3 (0xCC) and INT 3 (0xCD 0x03), but I don't know if that matters to the linxu kernel..)
20081230 03:42:15< Shadow_Master> all I know is that it won't let me catch SIGTRAPs myself ;)
20081230 03:42:44< Shadow_Master> um yeah, I've been messing around with assembly in my own C/C++ program. Don't tell ESR.
20081230 03:42:56< norbert_> "On intel processors (x86) This interrupt is the "debugger interrupt".  Most debuggers (all probably) will "hook in" to this interrupt and when they detect it they will stop the running program.  This if you have a debugger running, the program will stop and the debugger will come up when the int 3 is run.  This can be very handy for debugging.  because you can place these statements throughout your code at lots of error locations and 
20081230 03:42:56< norbert_> you don't have to set (and keep updated breakpoints at these locations.  "
20081230 03:43:45< Shadow_Master> I know pretty well what INT3 and INT 3 are... the question was , what 0x03 is? (as an opcode, not a parameter)
20081230 03:44:03< norbert_> well, if you don't want ESR to know, you probably shouldn't have mentioned his nick; he's in the channel :)
20081230 03:44:22< Shadow_Master> 0x03 is an ADD instruction.
20081230 03:44:44< norbert_> http://bytes.com/groups/net-c/277735-asm-int-3-a
20081230 03:44:49< Shadow_Master> 0xCD 0x03 is INT with vector 0x03
20081230 03:45:07< Shadow_Master> and 0xCC is the same thing but on steroids ;)
20081230 03:45:25< norbert_> Espreon: was that a recent version of CampGen, the one you tried?
20081230 03:45:36< Espreon> Indeed.
20081230 03:46:13< norbert_> let's assume I would make another editor/generator; what would you like to see different?
20081230 03:46:38< Espreon> IDK, as I have no interest in such a thing.
20081230 03:46:45< norbert_> here are screenshots you could use to refresh your memory http://home.gna.org/campgen/data/
20081230 03:47:58< norbert_> not having interest could be one of the reasons you were disappointed by it?
20081230 03:48:06< Shadow_Master> um, perhaps MSC++ has the int3 mnemonic, but they don't use it in crtdbg.h anyway
20081230 03:48:09< Espreon> No.
20081230 03:48:32< Espreon> It was just... displeasing.
20081230 03:49:11< Shadow_Master> there's also the possibility of using the DbgBreakpoint() entry in kernel32.dll <runs away>
20081230 03:49:20< Shadow_Master> * DbgBreak()
20081230 03:53:34< Espreon> norbert_: The closest thing I would go near making a thing like CampGen would be an IDE.
20081230 03:54:07< cib0> norbert_: wow, that looks pretty neat
20081230 03:54:12< cib0> i guess ill try it out
20081230 03:54:24< cib0> the last version of campgen i used didnt feature maps i think
20081230 03:54:28< cib0> so it was pretty pointless
20081230 03:56:35< Shadow_Master> ugh, ext2 warnings. I lost revisions to my local SVN repository and the git commits...
20081230 03:56:44< Shadow_Master> seems the USB pendrive is broken.
20081230 03:57:25< Espreon> :(
20081230 03:57:29< Espreon> Good bye people.
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20081230 03:58:01< cib0> i would like something that saves you the tedious work but still gives you the ability to write custom WML if necessary
20081230 03:58:23 * Shadow_Master off
20081230 04:02:51< cib0> also it should be possible to do things like, create a spawn unit macro which takes x,y coordinates, then somehow "put" it on the map and edit the turn it should trigger on.. not sure how that could work
20081230 04:04:15< norbert_> that shouldn't be all that difficult
20081230 04:04:28< norbert_> CampGen might already include that
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20081230 04:04:33< cib0> uh.. i have to specify an external map editor?
20081230 04:04:48< norbert_> that's just wesnoth -e
20081230 04:05:05< norbert_> but you shouldn't need it, I think
20081230 04:05:06< cib0> if it does, i don't know what should be so annoying about it
20081230 04:05:46< norbert_> I'm using it right now and I'm slowly starting to understand what Espreon meant
20081230 04:06:15< norbert_> it can probably do a lot, but the GUI is designed by a programmer
20081230 04:06:49< norbert_> probably an easy to use program... for the person who built it :P
20081230 04:07:39< cib0> ugh..
20081230 04:07:49< cib0> campgen.. i want to do more than just SP campaigns :p
20081230 04:08:27< norbert_> when I click "New..." under the Scenario List, I get a No Name tab where I can press "Place Items", but the next Map event tab doesn't show the map
20081230 04:09:47< cib0> you probablz have to create the map first
20081230 04:10:09< cib0> though create map wont do anything -.-
20081230 04:10:22< norbert_> yeah, that button does nothing
20081230 04:10:34< norbert_> same with "Edit Map..."
20081230 04:10:50< cib0> possibly that is where the map editor comes into play
20081230 04:11:13< cib0> i did not give a valid map editor
20081230 04:11:14< norbert_> ah, it works
20081230 04:11:18< norbert_> I opened a .map file
20081230 04:12:06< cib0> yep, it works
20081230 04:12:12< norbert_> and I can put down items, although there is no horizontal scroll bar
20081230 04:12:17< cib0> it's just not very polished
20081230 04:12:26< cib0> that's rather a problem of resources than of design
20081230 04:12:30< cib0> someone has to polish it up
20081230 04:13:58< cib0> norbert_: do you know python?
20081230 04:14:22< norbert_> no, but I'm a one man team, I don't like working on other people's code
20081230 04:14:48< norbert_> I work in C, with SDL or GTK+/GNOME as frontends
20081230 04:15:12< norbert_> *trying to get the Story tab to work*
20081230 04:17:10< cib0> norbert_: i hope you're an efficient one man team then =)
20081230 04:17:31< norbert_> I recently made a level editor for Prince of Persia 1
20081230 04:18:09< norbert_> video showing off the application here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-qxmcB-HYc
20081230 04:18:18< cib0> well, a polished up WML editor would certainly be nice, but i imagine it being alot of work starting from scratch
20081230 04:18:56< norbert_> yes, it would be a lot of work and it's clear there's already a lot of effort put into CampGen
20081230 04:19:24< norbert_> it just needs to get polished and work with 1.4 and 1.5
20081230 04:20:58< norbert_> I mailed to the current maintainer about 1.5 hours ago, asking how things are going; whether he's still working on it (and if so, when the next version is up; if not, why he stopped and if that's temporarily)
20081230 04:21:12< cib0> well, i would probably take the good parts out of campgen and mix it into a new editor that is more flexible, intuitive and not so much focused on SP campaigns
20081230 04:22:34< norbert_> are MP campaigns that different?
20081230 04:23:32< norbert_> CampGen even has a WML Inspector in it
20081230 04:23:43< norbert_> it's really quite complete, it seems
20081230 04:24:07< norbert_> although I'm a noob when it comes to creating campaigns
20081230 04:24:22< norbert_> check New Unit for example
20081230 04:24:26< cib0> norbert_: they don't take difficulties and such
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20081230 04:25:28< norbert_> the Animation tab of New Unit shows how much CampGen can do
20081230 04:25:51< norbert_> would take a /lot/ of work to rebuild an app like this
20081230 04:29:06< norbert_> anyways, I'm off to bed, it's 4.29 am here
20081230 04:29:13< norbert_> cu cib0 & others
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20081230 04:29:44< cib0> funny thing is, it's just the same time here
20081230 04:30:08< Turuk> pssh sleep
20081230 04:30:10< Turuk> for the week
20081230 04:30:19< Turuk> is done on the weekends
20081230 04:30:22< Turuk> saves time
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20081230 04:57:20< Shadow_Master> um, upgrading the server to lenny was a really good idea? :)
20081230 04:57:43< Shadow_Master> so far I have seen many packages acting up in AMD64/EM64T, at least
20081230 04:58:45< Shadow_Master> though I can always blame my old laptop for having a fried mobo, and the new one for having exotic hardware
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20081230 05:49:36< noy> you are Thrawnwesnoth 
20081230 05:49:46< noy> although Thrawn is good enough
20081230 05:49:58< noy> Connect to #wesnoth-mp just double click
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20081230 05:50:46< Shadow_Master> awwww.
20081230 05:50:52-!- Thrawnwesnoth [n=nick@71.239.82.87] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20081230 05:50:54< Shadow_Master> "I love that guy."
20081230 05:51:15< Shadow_Master> argh, I got it wrong. I should have pasted verbatim from Northern Rebirth
20081230 05:51:54< Thrawnwesnoth> finally got this figured out I hope
20081230 05:52:06< noy> you do
20081230 05:52:16< noy> but you should also connect to #wesnoth-mp
20081230 05:53:04< Thrawnwesnoth> okay
20081230 05:53:05< Shadow_Master> Thrawnwesnoth: I always recomend http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html to newcomers
20081230 05:53:21< Shadow_Master> though you usually don't need to use commands if you use a graphical client
20081230 05:54:36< Thrawnwesnoth> thanks
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20081230 06:47:29< stvier> under freenode I'm getting a ton of things lableled invalid commands, anyone know what those would be?
20081230 06:47:51< stvier>  AG3581187645 :Unknown command for example
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20081230 09:05:14< Espreon> Hello zookeeper.
20081230 09:05:32< zookeeper> hello.
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20081230 09:28:34< boucman> morning
20081230 09:28:42< Ivanovic> moin
20081230 09:28:59< boucman> zookeeper: do you know how to commit music (wrt tags, sampling, playlists etc...)
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20081230 09:39:41< zookeeper> kinda, but it seems shadow_master tends to get the tags and stuff right more often on the first try ;)
20081230 09:45:55< Ivanovic> okay, updated the FOSDEM thread in the moderators forum
20081230 09:47:38< boucman> Shadow_Master: around ?
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20081230 10:05:49< Espreon> Hello loonycyborg.
20081230 10:06:25< loonycyborg> hi Espreon
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20081230 11:06:16< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31813 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-multiplayer/it.po wesnoth-tsg/it.po): updated Italian translation
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20081230 11:06:48< Espreon> Hello noy.
20081230 11:06:55< noy> hey
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20081230 11:16:26< Espreon> Hello Noyga.
20081230 11:18:16< Noyga> hi
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20081230 11:33:52< Espreon> Hello kitty_.
20081230 11:34:11< kitty_> hello Espreon!
20081230 11:35:20< Espreon> Congrats on your new position.
20081230 11:36:14< kitty_> thanks! hope it won't get too much work :P
20081230 11:36:25< Espreon> All will be well..
20081230 11:37:02< kitty_> you have extrasensory powers?!
20081230 11:37:09< Espreon> Maybe.
20081230 11:37:17 * Espreon is not going to reveal the truth.
20081230 11:37:22 * Turuk_ thinks kitty should not believe a word he says.
20081230 11:37:36< kitty_> but if i promise you a cookie?
20081230 11:37:58< Ivanovic> cookies are good!
20081230 11:38:02< Espreon> Indeed.
20081230 11:38:14< kitty_> and i have plenty after christmas...
20081230 11:38:18 * Espreon does not have extrasensory powers.
20081230 11:38:34< kitty_>  :( 
20081230 11:38:48 * Ivanovic volunteers to help "destroying" those cookies...
20081230 11:38:51< Ivanovic> ;)
20081230 11:39:09< kitty_> mine, all mine! my precious!
20081230 11:39:31< Espreon> Nobody would dare touch my mochi ice cream.
20081230 11:39:58< kitty_> it's too cold for ice cream! *shudder*
20081230 11:40:04< Ivanovic> mochi ice cream???
20081230 11:40:11< Ivanovic> what the hell is "mochi"?
20081230 11:40:18< Espreon> Japanese ricecake.
20081230 11:40:23< Ivanovic> kitty_: nah, it can't be too cold for icecream
20081230 11:40:31< Ivanovic> Espreon: ah, just keep it
20081230 11:40:35< Espreon> Mochi ice cream is Japanese ricecake with ice cream filling.
20081230 11:40:45< Espreon> It is actually quite good.
20081230 11:40:56< Ivanovic> kitty_: for example some vanilla icecream with some hot cherrys
20081230 11:41:02< kitty_> i'll stay with my grandma's cookies...
20081230 11:41:05< Ivanovic> that is perfect even when it is winter outside
20081230 11:41:10< Espreon> Indeed.
20081230 11:41:28< kitty_> i prefer hot raspberries anytime.
20081230 11:41:55< Ivanovic> nah, i prefer cherries
20081230 11:42:07 * Espreon drinks iced coffee... even when it is frigid.
20081230 11:42:27< Espreon> Ivanovic: Do you have something against rice?
20081230 11:43:02< Ivanovic> Espreon: i *love* rice
20081230 11:43:19< Espreon> So what is wrong with rice cake with ice cream filling?
20081230 11:43:20< Ivanovic> but ricecakes, hmm, no
20081230 11:43:41< kitty_> warm rice.
20081230 11:43:46< Ivanovic> jupp
20081230 11:44:12< Espreon> Mochi is probably very different from your idea of rice cake.
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20081230 11:44:52< Espreon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_cake
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20081230 11:46:05< Espreon> Due to all of this rice talk, I think I will prepare some.
20081230 11:46:33< kitty_> you can make those yourself?
20081230 11:46:44< Espreon> Mochi ice cream? Hell no.
20081230 11:47:03< kitty_> oh - i was getting impressed
20081230 11:47:09< Espreon> I buy it from a sublime grocery store.
20081230 11:47:20< Espreon> It has *everything.*
20081230 11:47:41< kitty_> if you have money, i assume.
20081230 11:49:04< Espreon> Mochi is hard to make. Plus the process of making it sounds arduous. (According to Wikipedia)
20081230 11:50:20< Espreon> I think I'll eat my black berry and pomegranate cereal...
20081230 11:54:31< Espreon> kitty_: When you were making all of those elf portraits, how come you did not make a Sylph portrait?
20081230 11:55:48< loonycyborg> And why the same portrait for elvish champion as for elvish hero? :)
20081230 11:55:51< kitty_> Espreon: simple, the sylph will get a new sprite and since the portrait has to match the sprite i wait for it to be finished. 
20081230 11:56:30< Espreon> Ah.
20081230 11:56:35< kitty_> loonycyborg: 'cause i'm lazy, i tried to do only one portrait for most l2/l3...
20081230 11:58:00< loonycyborg> Why Sylphs, Shydes and other mages are different in this regard?
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20081230 11:59:01< Shadow_Master> boucman: I am 
20081230 11:59:09< Shadow_Master> hi kitty_  :)
20081230 11:59:30< boucman> Shadow_Master: it seems you know how to handle music
20081230 11:59:33< kitty_> loonycyborg: because sylph and shyde are different unit trees (and sorceress and enchantress share one).
20081230 11:59:36< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: I suspect that one of the dehydration bug in IftU is inherited from UtBS
20081230 11:59:37< boucman> could you have a look at http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=327901#p327901
20081230 11:59:49< kitty_> Shadow_Master: hi!
20081230 11:59:56< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: could you check if the player units are getting dehydrated while they are *on the recall list*?
20081230 12:00:02< Shadow_Master> boucman: k
20081230 12:00:21< Shadow_Master> boucman: yeah, I learned during my early days of having commit access how to tag music properly
20081230 12:00:29< boucman> :)
20081230 12:00:34< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, hmm, ok..
20081230 12:00:36< Shadow_Master> boucman: though I'd prefer to try it at uni, with a *real* connection
20081230 12:00:59< boucman> Shadow_Master: that's fine, as long as someone is handling it...
20081230 12:01:14< boucman> could you reply to the thread saying you're handling it, though ?
20081230 12:01:33< loonycyborg> kitty_: I meant druid and shyde having different portraits.
20081230 12:01:35< Shadow_Master> done.
20081230 12:01:39< Shadow_Master> boucman:  ^
20081230 12:03:48< Shadow_Master> I haven't written any C++ for Wesnoth for weeks :( any ideas?
20081230 12:03:50< boucman> k, thx
20081230 12:03:54< boucman> hmm
20081230 12:04:13< boucman> Shadow_Master: there something I would like,
20081230 12:04:26< zookeeper> want things to code or what?
20081230 12:04:42< Shadow_Master> yeah, I need to code. It's my dope.
20081230 12:04:42< boucman> it's a patch that was half done, but it's really a usefull feature to add, so if anybody takes it I would be glad...
20081230 12:04:52< boucman> wesbot: patch 1032
20081230 12:04:53< wesbot> Patch #1032  Assigned to: Jérémy Rosen <boucman>  Status: Postponed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20081230 12:04:56< wesbot> Summary: [endlevel][result] tag to allow different scenario results for different sides
20081230 12:04:59< wesbot> Original submission: Implements a [result] tag within [endlevel] tags that all
20081230 12:05:02< wesbot> ows specific sides to be issued specific victory/defeat messages.
20081230 12:05:05< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/patch/?1032
20081230 12:05:07< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=4149
20081230 12:05:12< boucman> it's one of the last missing bricks to have multiplayer MP campaigns
20081230 12:05:28< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, you could implement unclearable labels. so you could have a [label] clearable=no [/label] to prevent anyone overwriting it or the clear labels command affecting it
20081230 12:05:36< boucman> basically separating the victory/defeat concept for each players, and allowing the campaign to continue when a player is defeated
20081230 12:05:42< Shadow_Master> boucman: you couldn't suggest something that doesn't involve a overhaul? :)
20081230 12:05:53< boucman> Shadow_Master: it's not an overhaul
20081230 12:06:08< Shadow_Master> zookeeper's idea sounds easier ;p
20081230 12:06:13< boucman> actually, the patch does 90% of the job, it only needed a little cleaning, but the submitter disapeared before that
20081230 12:06:14< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: You can also continue coding your game engine :)
20081230 12:06:27< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: I've been frying my brain during the last days
20081230 12:06:30< Shadow_Master> for that
20081230 12:07:00< Shadow_Master> trying to modularize everything, blah blah. And making the C++ as beautiful as possible
20081230 12:07:01< boucman> Shadow_Master: your call :)
20081230 12:07:03< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, i'd imagine that your experiences in writing something as complex as IftU would have given you a big pile of potential little WML-related ideas ;)
20081230 12:07:27< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: I already implemented all of them.
20081230 12:07:42< Shadow_Master> the last being that set of image-path functions, lthough they have no real use in IftU yet
20081230 12:08:13< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, hmm, no, the dehydration doesn't affect the recall list
20081230 12:08:40< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: oh, then it was IftU specific
20081230 12:09:17< Shadow_Master> I think you should worry about UtBS' algorithm then. There were only two bugs in IftU's, and one was obviously a mishappen copy&paste of a filter
20081230 12:09:21< Shadow_Master> *shouldn't
20081230 12:09:32< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: Btw dehydration effects on units transferred to next scenario for me in IftU :(
20081230 12:09:33< Shadow_Master> WRT the question you made in #wesnoth-umc-dev
20081230 12:09:44< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: yeah, no need to remind me. 
20081230 12:09:44< zookeeper> yeah, good to know
20081230 12:09:55< Shadow_Master> I have already got the fixes, comitting...
20081230 12:10:34< Shadow_Master> kitty_: may I ask you something WRT to the portraits' shading methods?
20081230 12:10:56< kitty_> Shadow_Master: of course. what?
20081230 12:11:19< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, btw, http://gna.org/bugs/?11388 would probably be useful to many
20081230 12:11:26< Shadow_Master> kitty_ : why is Elynia's skin shading more "glossy" than Anlindë's ?
20081230 12:12:49< kitty_> Shadow_Master: it's a bit "glossier indeed", technically becu
20081230 12:13:10< kitty_> *because the highlights are a tad more white.
20081230 12:14:57< Shadow_Master> um, indeed. Although I'm not sure why it bothers me a bit in both the scaled and unscaled versions
20081230 12:15:28< Shadow_Master> same occurs to Galas. I somehow feel that Annlindë and Erathan are technically superior to them :p
20081230 12:15:54< kitty_> Shadow_Master: but she is supposed to be glowing. i somehow associate glowing and glossiness and all the like...
20081230 12:16:28< Shadow_Master> yep. perhaps it's because the background halo s missing?
20081230 12:17:34< kitty_> Shadow_Master:the elf-skin-shading is much more simplified than on the humans generally, they all use the same four basic shades. i started that to make them a bit less human, but now i'm a bit tired of the look, too...
20081230 12:17:45< Shadow_Master> btw, I'd have discussed this with tou in #wesnoth-umc-dev if you were there ;)
20081230 12:17:55< Espreon> She was for a sec.
20081230 12:18:38< kitty_> Shadow_Master: talking to me? soo many channels.. but i can join that one, too  :) 
20081230 12:18:40< loonycyborg> Some people are obsessive clickers. If you mention a channel they'll join it for a sec..
20081230 12:18:48< Espreon> Indeed.
20081230 12:18:54< kitty_> :P 
20081230 12:19:05< Shadow_Master> meh, it's just to let the people here do their usual idle chatter
20081230 12:19:20< zookeeper> loonycyborg, btw, is it expected/intended that the new dialogs don't work in your latest build (they just never show up, it seems)?
20081230 12:19:29< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: I use irssi so no clickies for me
20081230 12:19:33< zookeeper> just thought i'd mention that.
20081230 12:20:32< loonycyborg> zookeeper: No. I'm not aware of that happening.
20081230 12:20:41< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: GUI2 often suffers from the issue that the binaries' revision must match the data files'
20081230 12:20:46< Shadow_Master> or Bad Things Happen.
20081230 12:23:42< loonycyborg> zookeeper: Binary is updated.
20081230 12:23:50< zookeeper> ok, i'll try the new one, just a sec..
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20081230 12:35:36< zookeeper> loonycyborg, ok, they seem to work fine now
20081230 12:36:21< Shadow_Master> if mordante commits something, you know you need to recompile or get loonycyborg to do it for you ;)
20081230 12:39:17< loonycyborg> Awesome! Dialog messages with transparent portraits no longer have redundant scrollbars.
20081230 12:40:00< Shadow_Master> that's an old tale already
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20081230 14:31:28< zookeeper> hmh, is it intentional that swarm attacks can drop to 0? i just killed a poor cuttlefish with a tentacle attack of 3-0 when it had a couple of HP left.
20081230 14:31:46< boucman> zookeeper: not sure... it might be
20081230 14:31:54< boucman> it's sort of ironic, but makes sense
20081230 14:35:48< Espreon> Heh... I can imagine.
20081230 14:36:31< cib01> well, cut all its arms off?
20081230 14:36:37< Espreon> Indeed.
20081230 14:41:51< AI0867> zookeeper: sounds unintentional
20081230 14:42:03< AI0867> maybe make the default for swarm_attacks_minimum 1?
20081230 14:46:49< Noyga> zookeeper, for a cuttelfish it makes sense, you cant attack if you don'ty have any tentacles left
20081230 14:50:17< CIA-54> ai0867 * r31814 /trunk/data/core/macros/ai_controller.cfg: Add newline at end of file. (pacify wmllint)
20081230 14:53:50< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31815 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-ei/de.po wesnoth-l/de.po wesnoth-low/de.po): updated German translation
20081230 14:54:17< Ivanovic> AI0867: where in the netherlands are you from?
20081230 14:54:47< AI0867> leiden
20081230 14:55:07< AI0867> south holland
20081230 14:57:23< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31816 /trunk/po/wesnoth-tb/de.po: another tiny correction in the german translation
20081230 14:58:18< Ivanovic> AI0867: if you are lucky, you could maybe ask mordante if he can fetch you
20081230 14:58:25< Ivanovic> no idea if this is possible though...
20081230 14:58:47< AI0867> where does he live?
20081230 14:58:58< Espreon> Hmmm... what is occurring?
20081230 14:59:20< AI0867> FOSDEM
20081230 14:59:28< Espreon> Too bad I cannot go.
20081230 15:00:25< Patterner> can cuttlefish bite?
20081230 15:00:32< AI0867> they have hard beaks
20081230 15:00:34< AI0867> so, yes
20081230 15:01:09< Ivanovic> AI0867: i tihkn something like "Hoorn" or such
20081230 15:04:53< AI0867> which is in north holland
20081230 15:08:16< loonycyborg> AFAICT the distance between north holland and south holland might be almost the same as distance between northern moscow and southern moscow :)
20081230 15:12:34< AI0867> they have a common border, so the distance is 0 =P
20081230 15:13:10< loonycyborg> So, there's no central holland? :)
20081230 15:13:55< AI0867> those from the north would like to deny this, but south holland *is* central holland ;)
20081230 15:14:19< fendrin_> loonycyborg: If ice is melting at the current rate some longer there won't be anything left of the netherlands soon.
20081230 15:14:45< Espreon> AI0867 being homeless would be horrible for us all...
20081230 15:15:22< loonycyborg> fendrin_: It will be like Venice :)
20081230 15:16:14< Shadow_Master> re
20081230 15:16:43< AI0867> we have democratic sub-governments called 'waterschappen' that have taken care of dikes and such since the 1200s or so (yes, that's way older than the country itself)
20081230 15:16:45< Shadow_Master> aaah, I wish I could go to FOSDEM too. I hope you have some fun.
20081230 15:17:28< AI0867> especially since the "delta plan", we're much safer than most other countries
20081230 15:18:00< AI0867> though we wouldn't turn into venice if the dikes broke, we're already several meters below sealevel
20081230 15:18:10< AI0867> in like half the country
20081230 15:20:03< fendrin_> AI0867: I hope you are right.
20081230 15:21:25< fendrin_> I am listening to a radio show about ice melting on both poles. Looks like bad news.
20081230 15:22:23< loonycyborg> fendrin_: What makes you think that water levels will rise when ice will melt? :)
20081230 15:22:32< AI0867> the idea of the delta plan is that the dikes should stand up to anything but a "once per 10000 years"-storm
20081230 15:23:04< AI0867> for the next 100 years they took the worst-case scenario for climate change and then added another safety margin
20081230 15:24:32< fendrin_> loonycyborg: In case of the southpole that ice is on land right now. Clearly the water levels will rise if it melts. In case of the Northpole I can't tell.
20081230 15:25:23< AI0867> fendrin_: ice is slightly lighter than water, icebergs rise slightly above the surface of water
20081230 15:25:37< AI0867> maybe that has to do with the relative density
20081230 15:25:47< loonycyborg> Anyway, when ice melts volume decreases, not increases.
20081230 15:25:57< AI0867> even if the whole north pole melts, it won't affect sea levels
20081230 15:26:03< AI0867> the south pole will
20081230 15:27:51 * loonycyborg wonders how did ice end on the land on south pole
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20081230 15:28:39< loonycyborg> Must be due to snowing..
20081230 15:28:52< irmorelle> testing the new laptop in vista...
20081230 15:29:15< irmorelle> hello Shadow_Master, have a "nice" day ;)
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20081230 15:29:35 * fendrin_ 's first test with the new laptop was to format the windows with debian.
20081230 15:29:49< Shadow_Master> but I have been unable to use wifi from Linux.
20081230 15:30:18< Shadow_Master> *that's* the difference. At least now I know that the builtin Atheros chips aren't to blame
20081230 15:30:26< Shadow_Master> (at least not directly) ;)
20081230 15:30:55< loonycyborg> IIRC Atheros released new FOSS drivers recently..
20081230 15:31:28< fendrin_> Shadow_Master: yes, I am not familiar with windows anymore. That's why i have to buy hardware carefully.
20081230 15:32:57< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: What kernel version you're using on new laptop?
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20081230 15:36:12< irmorelle> testing from Debian (testing, no pun intended)
20081230 15:40:07< Ivanovic> boucman, AI0867, ilor, Noyga, everyone else who wants to fosdem and stay at bruegel:
20081230 15:40:14< Ivanovic> i would like to book the beds now
20081230 15:40:20< Ivanovic> so who wants to stay there?
20081230 15:40:34< Ivanovic> i know about dragonkind and assume that he is not older than 25
20081230 15:40:50< Ivanovic> i know that mordante wants to stay there and he is >=26
20081230 15:41:01< Ivanovic> AI0867: you want a bed there, too, right?
20081230 15:42:25< irmorelle> loonybot: I use  2.6.24
20081230 15:42:27< loonybot> error: 'I' does not name a type
20081230 15:42:28< boucman> Ivanovic: I am > 25 but leave me 30' before reservation
20081230 15:42:34< boucman> I need to check something
20081230 15:42:37< irmorelle> loonycyborg: ^
20081230 15:42:40< Ivanovic> boucman: please check
20081230 15:42:52< boucman> right away
20081230 15:42:55< Ivanovic> cib01: you want a bed there, too
20081230 15:42:59< irmorelle> though I should probably download 2.6.28 and apply the Debian patches... I need a working cpufreq !
20081230 15:43:03< Ivanovic> cib01: right?
20081230 15:43:13< AI0867> Ivanovic: yeah
20081230 15:43:18< loonycyborg> irmorelle: I use 2.6.27 already :)
20081230 15:43:35< irmorelle> loonycyborg: not even Debian Sid has more than 2.6.26
20081230 15:43:46< loonycyborg> Anyway, you'd better use new kernel on new hardware.
20081230 15:43:48< irmorelle> though that is because Debian is in "feature freeze", sorta
20081230 15:43:50< irmorelle> yeah
20081230 15:44:13< irmorelle> I'm specially interested about whether new mobo bug-work-arounds have been introduced to Linux
20081230 15:44:25< boucman> Ivanovic: ok, you can book for me from friday night onward...
20081230 15:44:35< boucman> (friday night was the part I was not sure of :) )
20081230 15:44:36< Ivanovic> okay
20081230 15:44:41< irmorelle> since this lappy's keyboard and touchpad tend to fail to initialize unless running Vista. ugh.
20081230 15:45:05 * loonycyborg uses a kernel ebuild from a portage overlay which applies reiser4 patches among other things.
20081230 15:45:29< irmorelle> I haven't seen a good reason yet to use something else than EXT3
20081230 15:45:48< irmorelle> that is, all the major trees but /boot use EXT3 here
20081230 15:45:53< loonycyborg> irmorelle: Bragging rights :)
20081230 15:46:24< irmorelle> (yeah, by experience I decided to make every major tree a separate partition this time: /, /usr, /usr/local, /opt, /tmp, /home, /var)
20081230 15:46:50< irmorelle> (call me nutty but I've seen really nasty things happen in my desktop computers for not doing so, or let's take a closer case from the Wesnoth servers)
20081230 15:46:57< loonycyborg> Besides, reiser4 should be particularly effective at storing portage tree.
20081230 15:47:29< loonycyborg> I only made /home a separate partition.
20081230 15:47:46< loonycyborg> ext3 on home, reiser4 on /
20081230 15:48:14< irmorelle> the last I heard from reiser4 is that it was at experimental dev. stage
20081230 15:49:02< AI0867> Ivanovic: also, I'm < 25
20081230 15:49:52< irmorelle> sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
20081230 15:49:55< irmorelle> oops
20081230 15:50:03< loonycyborg> irmorelle: That's why I use ext3 for /home :)
20081230 15:50:42< irmorelle> uh, I'd not risk the whole rest of the filesystem 
20081230 15:50:53< AI0867> reiserfs is fine for stuff like /tmp, but I indeed don't trust my /home with it
20081230 15:51:07< irmorelle> AI0867: reiserfs or reiser4?
20081230 15:51:31< AI0867> I've had some nasty experiences with reiser3
20081230 15:51:50< zookeeper> ah, hmh, we need an icon for dehydration/thirst. it's hard to tell which units are dehydrated and which aren't.
20081230 15:52:05< loonycyborg> irmorelle: Everything except home can be restored.
20081230 15:52:26< loonycyborg> I didn't have any problems with reiser4 yet..
20081230 15:53:29< irmorelle> It was painful for me the last time I had to restore a damaged GNU/Linux (namely openSUSE) installation
20081230 15:53:54< loonycyborg> restore == recreate from scratch
20081230 15:53:55< irmorelle> I am with AI0867 . It is trustable for volatile stuff such as /tmp or <insert your scratch tree here>
20081230 15:54:10< irmorelle> yup, reinstall
20081230 15:55:39< loonycyborg> Anyway, I'm annoyed with ext3 since it causes long fscks during boot occasionally..
20081230 15:56:45< AI0867> loonycyborg: you can tune it so it doesn't
20081230 15:57:18< AI0867> but you want to get it fsck'ed *sometime*
20081230 15:58:08< loonycyborg> AI0867: How does one tune it?
20081230 15:58:20< boucman> zookeeper: how about a small drop of water for units that are not dehiydrated,
20081230 15:58:23< Ivanovic> okay, then i will now book beds for AI0867, boucman, cib01, dragonking, mordante and me at bruegel from fiday evening till sunday morning, correct?
20081230 15:58:23< boucman> or a small sun
20081230 15:58:27< boucman> symbolic enough
20081230 15:58:30< Ivanovic> ilor: no bed for you so far, right?
20081230 15:58:38< Ivanovic> that is: if you come, you will book one yourself
20081230 15:58:41< boucman> good here
20081230 15:59:02< Ivanovic> i will go for beds in four bed rooms, hoping they got this many left
20081230 15:59:10< AI0867> loonycyborg: /sbin/tune2fs
20081230 15:59:42< loonycyborg> AI0867: thx
20081230 16:00:29< zookeeper> boucman, i think the small sun would be best
20081230 16:00:49< boucman> yeah, think so too
20081230 16:01:02< boucman> a 5' job for any artis, but I'm not one
20081230 16:01:10< boucman> :P
20081230 16:02:25< AI0867> shikadibot: log 3089
20081230 16:02:27< AI0867> shikadibot: log 3090
20081230 16:02:28< shikadibot> Revision 3089 (Eleazar, 2004-08-18 00:57:53 +0000 (Wed, 18 Aug 2004)):
20081230 16:02:28< shikadibot> eleazar was here
20081230 16:02:28< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=3089
20081230 16:02:29< shikadibot> Revision 3090 (Eleazar, 2004-08-18 02:47:56 +0000 (Wed, 18 Aug 2004)):
20081230 16:02:31< shikadibot> swamp trans fixed, and files shrunk
20081230 16:02:34< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=3090
20081230 16:02:49 * irmorelle sends his regards to Eleazar
20081230 16:02:55< AI0867> argh, wrong chan
20081230 16:02:55< irmorelle> cf 3089
20081230 16:02:58< zookeeper> boucman, i'll do it
20081230 16:03:06< zookeeper> although it might take more than 5 :)
20081230 16:04:04< Ivanovic> okay, sent the booking
20081230 16:06:23< zookeeper> i picked the bola AMLA for kaleh and now he has two bola attacks, so something still wrong with the AMLAs or something else.
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20081230 16:15:26< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20081230 16:15:40< mordante> hi
20081230 16:15:46< Ivanovic> mordante: just booked the beds, i hope it was right to have you in from friday evening to sunday morning
20081230 16:16:00< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20081230 16:16:07< mordante> yes, I expect to get off on friday
20081230 16:16:17< mordante> thanks for booking
20081230 16:16:52< Ivanovic> i hope they got enough beds left
20081230 16:19:27< Ivanovic> mordante: and maybe you could offer AI0867 a ride, no idea how much extra way this would be for you
20081230 16:22:49< mordante> brb
20081230 16:23:35< Ivanovic> (and maybe together you could kidnap neo, so that at least one artists participates...)
20081230 16:23:44< AI0867> where does he live?
20081230 16:23:49< Shadow_Master> nobody knwos
20081230 16:23:52< Shadow_Master> *knows
20081230 16:23:53< Ivanovic> AI0867: in the netherlands
20081230 16:23:59< Ivanovic> so not too far away from you...
20081230 16:24:01< Ivanovic> ;)
20081230 16:24:21< Shadow_Master> AI0867: don't listen to him! it's a trap!
20081230 16:24:25< AI0867> it may not be a very big country, but there's 16m people in there =/
20081230 16:24:25< Shadow_Master> * IT'S A TRAP!
20081230 16:25:12< Ivanovic> AI0867: i live in the ruhr metropolitan area, we got this many people in a much smaller space
20081230 16:25:13< Ivanovic> ;)
20081230 16:25:42< AI0867> Ivanovic: not much smaller =P
20081230 16:26:50< Ivanovic> :)
20081230 16:27:00< AI0867> when is wescamp_client run again?
20081230 16:27:01< Ivanovic> much smaller ain't possible, right
20081230 16:27:16< AI0867> I recently pushed out 0.20a of the era of strife
20081230 16:27:22< AI0867> which should have fixed the textdomain issue
20081230 16:27:41< AI0867> addons.wesnoth.org finally picked up on the new release
20081230 16:27:45< AI0867> but wescamp hasn't yet
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20081230 16:35:48< Baufo_> mordante, around?
20081230 16:37:07< Shadow_Master> hi mordante 
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20081230 16:48:40< Shadow_Master> this message has been delivered to you by Wesnoth Fortune Cookie Factory, Incorporated.
20081230 16:50:07< Shadow_Master> that should've gone to #wesnoth... I an't read anymore. I'm half asleep
20081230 16:52:24< Rrenys> Huh? Id imagine its ~12.00 there
20081230 16:53:10< Shadow_Master> but I didn't sleep list night
20081230 16:53:11< Shadow_Master> *last
20081230 16:53:15< Rhonda> ~17:00 here
20081230 16:53:18< Rrenys> Good for you
20081230 16:53:23< Shadow_Master> it's almost 13:00 act.
20081230 16:53:44< Shadow_Master> ugh, the FRS nterface in SF.net is ugly....
20081230 16:54:00< Rhonda> frs?
20081230 16:54:06< Shadow_Master> Fire Release Service
20081230 16:54:20< Rhonda>   FRS
20081230 16:54:21< Rhonda>          Frame Relay Service (ATM, UNI)
20081230 16:54:24< Rhonda>   FRS
20081230 16:54:24< Rhonda>          Flexible Route Selection
20081230 16:54:42< Shadow_Master> it won't let me upadte the categories assigned to *all files of a batch*. Instead, I have to set categories for each individual file and update one by one
20081230 16:55:28< Shadow_Master> tedious like hell
20081230 16:56:18< Noyga> Ivanovic, sorry for being too late, i've been to much busy/away these days.  Should i book myself at bruegel or you want to add me ?( i am >25 btw)
20081230 16:56:27< Shadow_Master> AI0867: i think I did it right this time
20081230 16:56:41< Shadow_Master> that is, I uplaoded the xdeltas and the respective SHA1 an MD5 sum files
20081230 16:56:54 * AI0867 checks
20081230 16:57:11< Shadow_Master> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=221284&package_id=278023&release_id=650346
20081230 16:57:32< AI0867> looks good
20081230 16:57:36< Shadow_Master> i didn't find any XDelta category. or checksum category. crap.
20081230 16:57:47< AI0867> now just for the .asc file w/ a gpg signature =P
20081230 16:58:06< Shadow_Master> I need tolearn to use those thingies
20081230 16:58:23< Shadow_Master> sounds really neet, specially if I want to continue doing this job for years. This is not my last uMC
20081230 16:58:37< Shadow_Master> and not my last C
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20081230 17:03:21< Shadow_Master> anyone happens to know rain's mail address??
20081230 17:03:27< Shadow_Master> s/\?//
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20081230 17:06:15< Turuk> rain@clouds.sky
20081230 17:06:29-!- kitty_ [n=kitty@e180208022.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20081230 17:06:38< Shadow_Master> hi kitty
20081230 17:06:51< Shadow_Master> Turuk: I almost emailed to that address, do ya know?
20081230 17:06:57< kitty_> Shadow_Master: hi again!
20081230 17:07:06< Turuk> ah sorry, I figured you were about to call down wrath for my flippancy
20081230 17:07:09< Shadow_Master> Turuk: don't do those things when I'm half asleep.
20081230 17:07:22< Shadow_Master> now all I need to do is rm -rf my root filesystem
20081230 17:07:29< Turuk> sorry, I'm going on 36 hours straight myself thanks to insomnia/jet lag, so I feel you
20081230 17:07:35 * Turuk will try not to be so clever.
20081230 17:09:02< mordante> AI0867 when do you go to the FOSDEM?
20081230 17:09:16< mordante> wescamp is running now
20081230 17:09:23< AI0867> friday evening
20081230 17:09:28< AI0867> I'll probably leave from Delft
20081230 17:09:29< mordante> hi Shadow_Master 
20081230 17:09:33< mordante> Baufo_ now I am
20081230 17:10:20< Shadow_Master> he sin't now
20081230 17:10:28< Shadow_Master> note: FIXME
20081230 17:11:24< mordante> I probably leave friday morning
20081230 17:11:30< kitty_> zookeeper: i didn't get an answer from spaceinvader concerning the skirmisher portrait till now... so i'd say we take the one he intended for the skirmisher as skirmisher and try to swap places later on. 
20081230 17:11:38< mordante> but I've to see whether I get the day of
20081230 17:11:55< mordante> and friday evening is hell to drive :-(
20081230 17:12:54< AI0867> mordante: I was planning to take the train =/
20081230 17:13:17< AI0867> as I have stuff to attend that afternoon
20081230 17:13:40< mordante> I think I go by car
20081230 17:13:44< Shadow_Master> I think I'll declare myself "music commiting hechman"
20081230 17:13:46< Shadow_Master> *henchman.
20081230 17:13:58< ilor> Ivanovic: when will you be booking the hostel?
20081230 17:14:06< Shadow_Master> where's that rain when you need'im ?! I'll name his piece Suspense if he doesn't asnwer in 5 mintues
20081230 17:14:12< Shadow_Master> *minutes, answer, blah
20081230 17:14:37< mordante> you give people a nice long time to react :-P
20081230 17:15:10< Shadow_Master> I gve him enough.
20081230 17:15:43< Shadow_Master> I do not have an Internet connection at home that'd allow me to fix the vorbis comments later.
20081230 17:16:03< Shadow_Master> 3 minutes.
20081230 17:16:30< Shadow_Master> mordante: being the founder and admin of #wesnoth-umc-dev has taught me that you cant wait for too long
20081230 17:16:36< Shadow_Master> for people to react.
20081230 17:17:02< AI0867> ugh, still an error in EoS translation files
20081230 17:17:12< Shadow_Master> either DIY or don't do anything. And I'll go the DIY way and name it  "Suspense" if he doesn't answer in 2 minutes. Unless one of you has a better idea for that piece?
20081230 17:17:48< Shadow_Master> kitty_, AI0867 , Espreon , ESR (?), mordante : ideas for the title for http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=23207 ? 
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20081230 17:17:58< Shadow_Master> 1 minute and a half.
20081230 17:18:15< Ivanovic> ilor: i have already done so
20081230 17:18:37< mordante> that's not even enough to listen to the music and get an idea about the title
20081230 17:18:46 * AI0867 reads
20081230 17:19:04< Shadow_Master> I thought you had listened to it already :p
20081230 17:19:12< Shadow_Master> I give you another 12 minutes.
20081230 17:19:44< AI0867> should have it in under a minute
20081230 17:20:40< AI0867> mordante: something went wrong again, any ideas on what else could cause this?
20081230 17:20:49< mordante> AI0867 ?
20081230 17:20:51< boucman> Shadow_Master: iirc, svn is smart with file renaming, so no big deal
20081230 17:21:11< Shadow_Master> boucman: if the piece gets renamed, I also have to run vorbiscomment on it to update the title
20081230 17:21:14< AI0867> wescamp lacks po files for era of strife even with version 0.20a
20081230 17:21:20< Shadow_Master> it's not automatic.
20081230 17:21:29< boucman> Shadow_Master: oh, yeah, that...
20081230 17:21:30< boucman> :P
20081230 17:21:38< mordante> AI0867 once I finish the upload Torangan does the po side
20081230 17:21:45< AI0867> ah, right
20081230 17:21:49< Shadow_Master> I mean... interesting. I assumed everyone has some experience with Windows Media Player, Audacity, WinAmp, XMMS, iTUnes, ... ;)
20081230 17:21:50< AI0867> thought that would be a one-shot thing
20081230 17:22:11< mordante> but most of the time he's rather fast
20081230 17:22:12< AI0867> I prefer mplayer =P
20081230 17:22:58< Shadow_Master> i prefer XMMS. And do not laugh at me for using a GTK 1 app
20081230 17:23:34< Shadow_Master> it still has future, even though most distributions have purged it and Debian people are planning to do the same for Squeeze (next testing)
20081230 17:23:34< boucman> we would never dare :P
20081230 17:23:47< Shadow_Master> s/future/present/
20081230 17:23:51< mordante> Shadow_Master MSVC doesn't need to use int3 it has a special #ifdef before it
20081230 17:24:23< Shadow_Master> mordante: but it's fun ^^
20081230 17:24:39< mordante> Shadow_Master why?
20081230 17:24:39< Shadow_Master> why use a library call if you can use inline assembler code? :p
20081230 17:25:03< mordante> why is wesnoth coded in C++ instead of assembly? :-P
20081230 17:25:13< Shadow_Master> hey, it's just a brekpoint
20081230 17:25:38< Shadow_Master> an int3 doesn't harm anbody. other vectors do.
20081230 17:25:48< AI0867> void breakpoint(void);
20081230 17:27:05< Shadow_Master> 5 minutes and I'll name it "Suspense"
20081230 17:27:24< AI0867> Shadow_Master: I can't think of a better name
20081230 17:27:47< kitty_> kitty_ is too lazy to install an ogg-player...
20081230 17:28:06< Shadow_Master> itunes doesn't handle them? I recall the windows version doing so. :P
20081230 17:28:24< kitty_> ok, ok i start downloading...
20081230 17:29:15< Shadow_Master> kk, you don't need to do so either.
20081230 17:30:17< boucman> kitty_: wesnoth IS an ogg player
20081230 17:30:26< boucman> (with very few controls though)
20081230 17:30:35< kitty_> boucman: so i do what?
20081230 17:30:49< Shadow_Master> replace main_menu.ogg with it .p
20081230 17:31:02< Shadow_Master> nvm I am about to commit
20081230 17:31:05< boucman> kitty_: I'm kidding, I'm saying that because the musics wesnoth plays are ogg, but you can't really use it as a player
20081230 17:31:19< Shadow_Master> I already gave you all 16 minutes, and that times passed ;)
20081230 17:31:23< kitty_> 9.9 
20081230 17:32:44< Shadow_Master> anakayub's latest post in that thread is amusing
20081230 17:32:59< Shadow_Master> the RNG is effectively the source of all evils
20081230 17:35:06< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: pling pling
20081230 17:38:04< Shadow_Master> there it goes
20081230 17:38:26< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r31817 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: Slight rewording of a release note.
20081230 17:39:06< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, plong?
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20081230 17:39:14< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r31818 /trunk/data/core/ (macros/sound-utils.cfg music/suspense.ogg): 
20081230 17:39:14< CIA-54> Add Ryan Reilly's (Rain) music piece from http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=327901#p327901
20081230 17:39:14< CIA-54> * I named it Suspense since nobody replied to my request for a better name.
20081230 17:39:14< CIA-54> * Wire it into /data/core/macros/sound-utils.cfg for the default playlist.
20081230 17:39:30< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: review the WML part of r31818
20081230 17:40:04< Shadow_Master> so that ESR doesn't throw a stinky fish at me again. And also don't forget to make use of the piece in mainline scenarios as you see fit blah de blah.
20081230 17:40:41< Shadow_Master> wesbot: log 31818
20081230 17:40:45< wesbot> shadowmaster * r31818 : Add Ryan Reilly's (Rain) music piece from http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=327901#p327901
20081230 17:40:50< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=31818
20081230 17:40:54< zookeeper> well of course the WML is fine, i have that much trust in your skills :P
20081230 17:41:10< Shadow_Master> I eat sarcasm for breakfast.
20081230 17:41:17< Shadow_Master> and I eat C++ for dinner.
20081230 17:42:11< Shadow_Master> boucman: enjoy: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=23207&p=328775#p328775
20081230 17:42:47< Shadow_Master>  gave him less than 2 hours?
20081230 17:43:22 * Shadow_Master  waves a large trout at mordante 's direction
20081230 17:43:34 * mordante ducks
20081230 17:43:37< mordante> why?
20081230 17:44:26< Shadow_Master> since you didn't provide a (epxerimental even) interface for changing transparent portraits on individual units, IftU will behave awfully in 1.5.7
20081230 17:45:07< Shadow_Master> Galas' portrait is overrideen with the generic Elvish Fighter's
20081230 17:45:20< kitty_> booh!
20081230 17:45:27< Shadow_Master> cf. discussion in #wesnoth-umc-dev
20081230 17:46:07< Shadow_Master> and this will also break most character portraits in mainline, since not all of our heroes have custom units. cf. r31817's diff
20081230 17:46:28< Shadow_Master> so, is the mainline concern enough to worry you :p
20081230 17:47:06 * mordante ignores this discussion
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20081230 17:47:26< Shadow_Master> :\
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20081230 17:48:46< boucman> Shadow_Master: thx
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20081230 17:50:14< Shadow_Master> mordante: many children will die!
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20081230 17:53:54 * AI0867 waits for torangan...
20081230 17:55:45< Shadow_Master> what does tora have to do here?
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20081230 17:57:59< Shadow_Master> let's wait for the old Wesnoth crew too :p
20081230 18:01:21< AI0867> ah, it was just done
20081230 18:01:29< AI0867> r2433 of wescamp
20081230 18:03:59< zookeeper> well, i guess old-style portraits could just be...drawn like the new-style portraits. kinda hideous with the black boxes and smaller sizes but at least it would be consistent otherwise ;)
20081230 18:04:51< AI0867> right, but [portrait] overrides profile=
20081230 18:05:07< ESR_> kitty?  kitty is on IRC?
20081230 18:05:12< AI0867> brilliant, firefox interprets .pot as a powerpoint presentation
20081230 18:05:17< kitty_> zookeeper: could somebody test that to see how ugly it looks?
20081230 18:05:27< kitty_> hello ESR_!
20081230 18:05:34 * ESR_ tosses a rose in kitty's direction.
20081230 18:06:04< kitty_> ESR_ psst, don't tell my boyfriend!
20081230 18:06:14< ESR_> Delighted to meat you, oh goddess of portraits.
20081230 18:06:22< ESR_> s/meat/meet/
20081230 18:06:31 * zookeeper wonders what "meating" someone might mean
20081230 18:06:33< ESR_> I don't type very well...
20081230 18:06:43< boucman> interesting typo :P
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20081230 18:07:01< Shadow_Master> ESR_: give your entire fish ammunition
20081230 18:07:13< Shadow_Master> * give me
20081230 18:07:28< ESR_> zookeeper: zookeeper: Perhaps I shall wave a tasty steak at her in lieu of my usual Fish of Chastisement.
20081230 18:07:35< Shadow_Master> ESR_: I need them now.
20081230 18:08:31< ESR_> Shadow_Master: Who do you want to throw my fish at? Should Ivanovic lend the person his anti-fish shield? 
20081230 18:09:06< Shadow_Master> ESR_: I want to throw fish at Mordante. and Ivanovic probably wouldn't lend him the shield.
20081230 18:09:24< Shadow_Master> (he broke a character portrait in Ivanovic's campaign, so...)
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20081230 18:09:49< ESR_> kitty_: This is probably not making sense to you.
20081230 18:10:04< kitty_> not at all
20081230 18:11:06< ESR_> I'm not sure how it started, but we have a running un-channel joke about me slapping people with a fish when they do something unhelpful or erroneous.
20081230 18:11:15< ESR_> s/un-/-on/
20081230 18:11:18< CIA-54> elias * r31819 /trunk/po/wesnoth-utbs/de.po: translation update
20081230 18:11:31< mordante> Shadow_Master you made your point, now stop this useless discussion it doesn't motivate me to fix it later :-|
20081230 18:11:39< ESR_> My proneness to typos is also a running joke.
20081230 18:11:46< Shadow_Master> mordante: don't take it as a discussion, take it as an inspritaion!
20081230 18:11:56< mordante> it's not
20081230 18:11:56< kitty_> *hides from fish*
20081230 18:11:58< Shadow_Master> now if you'd let me try my hand at fixing it, we may have a deal
20081230 18:12:21< ESR_> Really, I spell very well - I'm our resident English-language pedant.  I just don't type well.
20081230 18:12:40< mordante> no we wait until after 1.5.7 and know what the api is going to look like
20081230 18:12:55< Shadow_Master> :(
20081230 18:13:03< mordante> the idea of development releases is to allow us to *break* things so we can experiment
20081230 18:13:06< Shadow_Master> okay, I'll continue producing *ugly hacks*
20081230 18:13:16< Shadow_Master> and I thought 1.5.7 was gonna be the first beta :(
20081230 18:13:27< ESR_> And there is no piint at which I have ever intended to slap you with the Fish of Chastisement.  I greatly admire your art.  You are the most consistently capable and expressive portraitist we've ever had.
20081230 18:13:39< mordante> und you never seen a not fully working beta before?
20081230 18:14:01< AI0867> mordante: [unit] [portrait] sounds reasonable, the only real issue here is [unit_type] [portrait] overriding [unit] profile=
20081230 18:14:04< Shadow_Master> I saw 1.1.4 (or 1.1.6?) and it was really awful
20081230 18:14:11< kitty_> ESR_ *blush* 
20081230 18:14:48 * Shadow_Master takes the fish  and throws at Espreon instead
20081230 18:15:07 * Espreon dodges.
20081230 18:15:20 * Espreon eats cake in front of Shadow_Master.
20081230 18:15:26< mordante> AI0867 yes I know but since I don't know yet how much portraits we need for a unit, I can't determine a nice api
20081230 18:15:28< ESR_> And this is not to tun down the others, either; some are quite good. But you are better.
20081230 18:15:55< ESR_> s/tun/run/
20081230 18:16:03< mordante> so I first want that answer and then look at an API and have a look who we can make it, for 1.6, compatible
20081230 18:16:10< Shadow_Master> i'll take it as a personal challenge.
20081230 18:16:22< Shadow_Master> mordante: your idea won't break my campaign1 :)
20081230 18:16:39< Shadow_Master> if I have to craft a thousand WML hacks to fix it, I'll do so, but you can't break it!
20081230 18:16:44< mordante> but it makes no sense to rush ahead and waste a lot of time on it, to find out that things need to be different
20081230 18:18:39< ESR_> Since we've got Kitty here: what are we going to do with the old non-transparent portraits? Try to convert them? 
20081230 18:19:29< kitty_> ESR_ we'll slowly paint them new - like lordbob does with part of the loys atm
20081230 18:19:56< Shadow_Master> is he? haven't checked hist rhead, sounds intersting.
20081230 18:20:36< kitty_> he doesn't exactly reproduce the lutesian ones, but he does new loys. and quite great ones!
20081230 18:21:12< ESR_> I might be able to write a Python or Scheme procedure using the GIMP that would erase all background pixels more than a fixed distance from a non-black pixel.  Then we could batch-convert the old portraits.
20081230 18:21:25< ESR_> "loys"?
20081230 18:21:31< fendrin_> mordante: do you plan to keep the old dialogue for some reason? Maybe an attribute inside the potrait tag could sign the dialogue style/type.
20081230 18:21:55< kitty_> ESR_:  it would only get rid of the background - but we want a consistent style one day...
20081230 18:22:16< Shadow_Master> ESR_: and remember Northern Rebirth, which unfortunately uses JPEGs
20081230 18:22:26< Baufo_> mordante, still around? :)
20081230 18:22:45< ESR_> kitty_: I understand.  It would enable us to throw out the old dialog style, though.
20081230 18:22:49< Shadow_Master> someone foobarred when adding those portraits to NR (that was during its UMC time IIRC? I was a forum lurker back then)
20081230 18:22:56< mordante> Baufo_ not really I'm about to make food, will be back in about 45 minutes
20081230 18:23:09< Baufo_> no, no problem
20081230 18:23:14< Baufo_> ok
20081230 18:23:17< Baufo_> *
20081230 18:23:27< mordante> fendrin_ depends on what the artists decide
20081230 18:23:42< ESR_> Shadow_Master: The difference between JPEGs and GIFs would not be significant for the implementation approach I have in mind.
20081230 18:23:52< Shadow_Master> ESR_: Jetryl may have transparent versions of the current HttT Pportraits btw
20081230 18:24:09< Shadow_Master> I know that he at least has full-body versions of them (Available on the web)
20081230 18:24:21< ESR_> I'll ask him.
20081230 18:24:35< Shadow_Master> that may help us optimize this process a lot
20081230 18:25:06< Shadow_Master> even if he already said he wants to remake them, I don't think we can wait for so long
20081230 18:25:20< ESR_> I don't either.
20081230 18:25:24< kitty_> ESR_ just ereasing the background would work well for the ones pickslide did - what about the resolution? they are just half as big as the new standart!
20081230 18:25:27< Shadow_Master> he's been saying the same thing for the whole year, and he's already more busy than enough with spriting
20081230 18:25:55< kitty_> he said something about start painting portraits in february?
20081230 18:26:18< Shadow_Master> nonetheless, the UtBS portraits are avialble in a higher resolution
20081230 18:26:26< ESR_> kitty_: I'm not saying it's a perfect solution, just a way to get rid of a code path we would otherwise have to maintain much longewr.
20081230 18:26:50< Shadow_Master> shikadibot: dir /branches/resources/portraits
20081230 18:26:50< shikadibot> Web interface URL to directory /branches/resources/portraits: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/branches/resources/portraits
20081230 18:27:49< kitty_> ESRhow difficult will it be to write such a procedure? just to see how the results look?
20081230 18:28:41< Shadow_Master> knowing ESR, it'd take him a few minutes using Python :)
20081230 18:28:56< ESR_> kitty_: Pretty easy.  I could probably do it in a couple of hours max using Python Imaging Library.
20081230 18:29:14< Shadow_Master> I overestimated your knowledge of the libraries, sorry
20081230 18:29:24< kitty_> then - if you have the time.... but what about the resolution?
20081230 18:29:38< ESR_> The couple of hours was counting test and ebug time.
20081230 18:29:46< Shadow_Master> they can't be scaled up and look god, that's for sure
20081230 18:30:22< Shadow_Master> kitty_: though for the UtBS case, we may have a solution
20081230 18:30:23< kitty_> that's the point. and would it be possible to show them small at the new place?
20081230 18:30:52< ESR_> kitty_: I wasn't planning to try to fix that.  As ShadowMaster says, scaling up would probably produce bad results.  I could try appplying something like biquadratic interpolition, though.
20081230 18:30:55< Shadow_Master> PickSlide left some reasonably-sized portraits for UtBS (they were the original ones used in 1.1.2a IIRC)
20081230 18:31:08< Shadow_Master> those may be scaled up and not look too awkward I think
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20081230 18:31:43< kitty_> interpolation won't be enough for that jump in size! 
20081230 18:32:06 * ESR_ reflects that for someone who doesn't care about graphics much he's ended up writing an awful lot of pixel-slinging code.
20081230 18:32:12< kitty_> and do we have pickslide's drakes, orc and mermen in big, too?
20081230 18:32:45< Shadow_Master> I've seen his drake clasher in gigantic res, but that was probably a WIP
20081230 18:33:05< ESR_> Tell you what I'll do.  I'll add an option for biquadratic scakeup to the converter if that's feasible; the artists can experiment.
20081230 18:33:23< Shadow_Master> kitty_: oops, it isn't pickslide's portrait
20081230 18:33:29< Shadow_Master> the drakes are work of Jormungandr
20081230 18:34:21< ESR_> kitty: A social fact for you to know - I'm the project toolsmith, I often end up writing odd data-conversion programs for one or another purpose.
20081230 18:34:43< kitty_> ok, so we have one big drake and small orcs, mermen and rest of drakes to convert? i'm curious how this will turn out...
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20081230 18:34:51< kitty_> and thanks for the info ESR_
20081230 18:34:52< Shadow_Master> kitty_, ESR_  http://shadowm.nfshost.com/big_clasher_860.png
20081230 18:35:08< Shadow_Master> I got that copy from one of my many HDD backups
20081230 18:35:38< kitty_> sh**! won't be usable despite the size - look at the wing! that will look ridiculous!
20081230 18:35:53< Shadow_Master> oops
20081230 18:36:03< ESR_> Very nice.  Shadow_Master, you should put a copy of that (and any other large portraits you can recover) in the resources repo.
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20081230 18:36:41< Shadow_Master> ESR_: see kitty's comment above
20081230 18:37:03< Shadow_Master> and, let me try to find anything else. These are backups of the contributions gallery from before you joined.
20081230 18:37:29< Shadow_Master> someone may help by scanning the current art contribs gallery? :)
20081230 18:37:42< ESR_> kitty_: What's wrong with the wing?
20081230 18:37:55< kitty_> it's cut off?!
20081230 18:38:00< ESR_> Shadow_Master: I could.  Where is it?
20081230 18:38:23< ESR_> Oh, I see.  I wonder if it could be patched.
20081230 18:38:54< ShikadiLord> ESR_: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/GraphicLibrary 
20081230 18:39:06< Shadow_Master> I'm using two laptops atm, so don't panic
20081230 18:39:45< boucman> unfortunately the bot that would automatically fill the GraphicLibrary died some time ago :(
20081230 18:40:15< boucman> I might have a backup of it somewhere, but it wasn't very reliable...
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20081230 18:40:22< Shadow_Master> yeah, and without cycholka we cannot fix it I guess?
20081230 18:40:34< Shadow_Master> elias ^ (i hope elias reads the logs, he wrote the bot IIRC)
20081230 18:40:52< Espreon> Good bye for now.
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20081230 18:46:50< Shadow_Master> what became of cycholka? :(
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20081230 18:48:30< loonycyborg> One day he just disappeared.
20081230 18:49:13 * loonycyborg just have nicked to Captain_Obvious before saying that..
20081230 18:50:01< Shadow_Master> "nick"ed?
20081230 18:50:13< Shadow_Master> this not #english-dev, is it ?
20081230 18:50:15< Shadow_Master> ;)
20081230 18:50:49< kitty_> ESR_, Shadow_Master: quick hack of the clasher, added a bit of wing and deleted the background. i feel like a butcher... http://www.box.net/shared/ro9sy8eq9h
20081230 18:51:17< Shadow_Master> no worries! that's why it's gnu gpl'd
20081230 18:51:47< kitty_> no, not that i do it, more the outcome of it...
20081230 18:52:24< Shadow_Master> um his right wing (at our left)'s edges are jagged indeed
20081230 18:52:52< ESR_> I dunno, that works for me.  
20081230 18:53:05< kitty_> yup - or i would have to erease the outline carefully by hand.
20081230 18:53:06< Shadow_Master> damn, I need to install a webbrowser here.
20081230 18:53:32< Shadow_Master> preferably something that doesn't begin with Mozilla
20081230 18:54:02< ESR_> kitty_: You didn't do the background removal by hand?
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20081230 18:57:42< kitty_> ESR_ no, photoshop - select colour, make selection 2 px smaller, smoothen selection. and then a few bits by hand.
20081230 18:58:05< ESR_> Ah, right.
20081230 18:58:14< Shadow_Master> yeah, shrinking and (in gimp it's called feathering) selection is a nice technique
20081230 18:58:26< Shadow_Master> not sure what I did learn it for? editing shydeish wings?
20081230 18:58:48< ESR_> That's a 2-pixel border, is it? That's eful to know; I can make that the default for my convertor.
20081230 18:58:59< ESR_> s/eful/useful/
20081230 18:59:32< kitty_> i could easily make a little automatic photoshop action out of that - but the outcome looks so bleh.
20081230 18:59:49< ESR_> kitty_: In what way?
20081230 18:59:55< zookeeper> ESR_, kitty_, jetryl and me can handle the black background removal for the old-style portraits
20081230 19:00:15< zookeeper> i think i asked him about it once, don't remember if i got any conclusive answer then, i could try again since we should be converting those ASAP now
20081230 19:00:23< boucman> kitty_: remember, we're no artist here, we usually can't tell what looks good from what lookd bad :P
20081230 19:00:28< boucman> pointers would help
20081230 19:00:40< boucman> (and I'm only half joking here)
20081230 19:00:42< kitty_> boucman you have eyes - don't you?
20081230 19:00:48< boucman> eyes, yes
20081230 19:00:50< zookeeper> i really don't think an automatic conversion will produce anything but really hideous results, just manually erasing the background would at least make them tolerable to non-artists' eyes ;)
20081230 19:00:56< boucman> it's artistic tastes i'm missing
20081230 19:01:11 * Shadow_Master hides
20081230 19:01:28< kitty_> zookeeper: so the question is: who will be the poor eraser?
20081230 19:01:58< zookeeper> kitty_, well, i'll volunteer for that...it's not a big deal with some standard feather selection erasing
20081230 19:02:23< zookeeper> at least for most portraits, that is those without any fancy transparency tricks
20081230 19:02:31< zookeeper> s/tricks/effects
20081230 19:03:31< kitty_> zookeeper: great! (i don't know if feathered edges are such a good idea...) i'll take complicated ones (but i can't think of one just yet)
20081230 19:07:28< zookeeper> the thing is that i don't want to copy the old portraits into new transparent variations, i'd just like to convert the existing images
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20081230 19:07:52< kitty_> what's the difference?
20081230 19:07:55< zookeeper> (i don't want to copy the old portraits into new transparent variations AND write the new portrait WML into every unit)
20081230 19:08:46< zookeeper> so the lack of compatibility with the new dialogs and old-style portraits and old-style portrait WML is kinda holding be back, although i'm not sure if losing the black background even when still using the old-style dialogs matters..
20081230 19:09:23< kitty_> won't we continue using the black ones for the help files?
20081230 19:12:00< kitty_> and while it will be fairly trivial to delete the bg's from the orcs and mermen etc., you'll have to add bits to quite a few ones - like drake warrior's wings, dwarfish fighters axe etc. that will be the real work/problem...
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20081230 19:13:45< Shadow_Master> hi Sirp 
20081230 19:14:06< Shadow_Master> kitty_: I'd like to let the help files use scaled-down versions of the transparent ones
20081230 19:14:25< Shadow_Master> that way it'll work fine if we (I??) decide to change how the help interface looks blah bal
20081230 19:14:37< kitty_> has anyboody made a mockup of that? just to see how that looks?
20081230 19:14:53< Shadow_Master> no, it's just a random idea of mine that may be applied sometime in the future
20081230 19:14:57< Shadow_Master> :p
20081230 19:15:25< kitty_> now i'm curious! what do you plan?
20081230 19:16:13< Shadow_Master> not sure. I've not completely built my idea :(
20081230 19:16:25< Shadow_Master> but for starters, I'd like to see the help screen *fullscreen* in 1.7
20081230 19:16:41< ESR_> I'm off to lunch.  Be back in about 45 minutes, probably.
20081230 19:16:57< Shadow_Master> then perhaps overhaul it so that per-variation and per-gender sprites/portraits are displayed in a more neat fashion
20081230 19:17:21< Shadow_Master> but I have bigger, lower-level plans before anything of that
20081230 19:18:01< kitty_> ok, ok then i look forward to what you'll come up with whenever! :P
20081230 19:19:04< Shadow_Master> I never have completely clear schedules for my stuff. not sure if that's for good or bad
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20081230 19:19:35< kitty_> not good or bad, but quite normal if it's not "real work", i guess...
20081230 19:21:54< zookeeper> dinner, back in a bit
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20081230 19:26:49< mordante> Baufo_ I'm back again
20081230 19:28:03 * Shadow_Master is in need of a book titled "Networking for people who barely know what an IP really means"
20081230 19:29:50< mordante> networking for dummies
20081230 19:30:27< Shadow_Master> http://www.amazon.com/Networking-Dummies-Sixth-Doug-Lowe/dp/0764516779
20081230 19:31:18< Shadow_Master> I know I'm a hopeless nitpicker, but it'd be better if it was free and didn't assume that I know all there's to knwoa bout the technicisms
20081230 19:32:29< mordante> ha seems I guessed the correct title ;-)
20081230 19:34:09< boucman> network protocols are fun :)
20081230 19:34:36< Shadow_Master> all i want to do is setup a temporary (or permanent perhaps) network from one laptop to another to copy my home fs
20081230 19:34:46< boucman> except when you have to teach it to a PHB that doesn't know a thing about IP but believes he's the only one keeping the network running
20081230 19:34:53< zookeeper> kitty_, well, yeah some portraits would ideally need some cut-offs fixed, but i still think it'd look better to have the old portraits in the new dialogs even with some cut-off edges than have old portraits in the old dialogs and new portraits in the new dialogs.
20081230 19:35:06< boucman> Shadow_Master: what os ?
20081230 19:35:06< Shadow_Master>  and not have to crush the git svn tarball to fit it inmy ridiculously sized pendrive
20081230 19:35:12< Shadow_Master> boucman: debian lenny, debian lenny
20081230 19:35:18< boucman> hmm
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20081230 19:35:29< boucman> let's go /msg, I might be able to help
20081230 19:35:39< zookeeper> since it's visually much more jarring when the dialogs pop around the screen in two completely different styles than it would be to have some portraits smaller and with some clipped edges
20081230 19:35:50< kitty_> zookeeper: i can't really say which is worse.... 
20081230 19:36:57< kitty_> perhaps not even bother to erase the black bg's and put them on the new dialogues as they are?  could anybody make a mockup how that would look?
20081230 19:37:46< zookeeper> that'd work for me too. wouldn't even look hideous if there was a little border of some kind around the box.
20081230 19:37:57< zookeeper> i could make a screenshot of that
20081230 19:38:12< kitty_> that would be very nice!
20081230 19:38:51< zookeeper> damn it, my explorer doesn't anymore show the svn markers on files. i think a registry cleanup tool broke that, somehow. reinstalling tortoisesvn didn't help.
20081230 19:40:29< ilor> zookeeper: did you remember to reboot after installing tsvn? ;)
20081230 19:40:33< zookeeper> ilor, yeah
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20081230 19:41:08< zookeeper> i'm not sure how i'd fix that. i'm kinda stumbling in the dark when i can't easily see which files have local changes and which don't.
20081230 19:41:27< zookeeper> maybe i'd need to completely uninstall it or something first, then reinstall once more.
20081230 19:42:21< boucman> zookeeper: you can find with command line svn in the mean time
20081230 19:42:26< Baufo_> mordante, well, I wanted a textbox that displays input as asterisks for mp login
20081230 19:42:48< Baufo_> so I wrote a relatively simple hack for the existing textbox class
20081230 19:43:22< Baufo_> which I wanted to discuss with you
20081230 19:43:25< zookeeper> boucman, uh, no thanks, i'll rather just click commit on a higher-level dir and check from the resulting menu ;)
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20081230 19:45:19< mordante> ilor is there anything you can install on Windows without rebooting? :-P
20081230 19:45:29 * zookeeper wonders why his portrait hack doesn't work
20081230 19:45:36< ilor> mordante: technically, restarting explorer.exe is enough
20081230 19:45:46< ilor> (in this case)
20081230 19:45:59< kitty_> dinner time, i'll be back later.
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20081230 19:46:22 * mordante remembers changing the IP address in older versions of Windows
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20081230 19:46:34< ilor> though e.g. updating vmware player takes a reboot to uninstall the old version and a reboot after you install the new one which is doubly retarded
20081230 19:47:20< mordante> Baufo_ yes what do you wish to discuss about it? I haven't added a class for it in the new widgets yet
20081230 19:53:25< Baufo_> mordante, well, basically I added a simple boolean flag to the ttext_ class and if this flag is set a modified get_value function will return stars instead of the actual text in the relevant places
20081230 19:54:04< Baufo_> I wondered if this is the right approach
20081230 19:54:35< zookeeper> mordante, i resized konrad's portrait to 400x400, copied [portrait] code from a working core unit, but his dialogues just don't show up. any simple thing i'm overlooking?
20081230 19:54:53< Baufo_> as I have to admit that since I never looked into the widgets code until today still lack the overview over it
20081230 19:57:03< mordante> zookeeper no idea can you paste your wml?
20081230 20:01:08< mordante> Baufo_ did you commit your code, if not can you paste it?
20081230 20:02:00< zookeeper> mordante, err, actually it seems that they just don't show up in the start event dialogue. when i move him to the signpost to trigger more, it shows up there.
20081230 20:02:28< mordante> odd
20081230 20:02:31< zookeeper> funnily enough, the elvish champion's portrait shows up just fine when he speaks in the start event dialogue. the portrait WML for them is identical.
20081230 20:03:42< zookeeper> (there's no profiles of any kind given to konrad in the scenario)
20081230 20:06:08< Baufo_> mordante, http://paste.debian.net/24774/
20081230 20:09:47 * zookeeper doesn't think an old portrait directly on a new dialog looks anything but ugly, but still better than switching between two dialog styles constantly
20081230 20:09:47< zookeeper> http://imagebin.org/34616
20081230 20:10:42< mordante> Baufo_ get_display_value() can use return std::string(text().size(), '*'); 
20081230 20:11:27< Baufo_> I see
20081230 20:11:43 * Baufo_ should really read the documentation of the string class :)
20081230 20:13:45< mordante> I also prefer is_password_box() renamed to something with set, all setters are named set
20081230 20:16:06< zookeeper> quick, mostly mechanical background erasure: http://imagebin.org/34617
20081230 20:16:22< Baufo_> what do you suggest? set_password?
20081230 20:17:25< mordante> not sure yet
20081230 20:17:59< mordante> my other problem is that a lot of code expects the text in the dialog is the text shown
20081230 20:18:19< mordante> so you need to rewrite more functions, which I fear might get ugly
20081230 20:19:59< noy> who here remembers how we do damage calculations in wesnoth?
20081230 20:20:02< noy> because I don't
20081230 20:20:12< noy> :p
20081230 20:20:20< noy> Its RATE right? 
20081230 20:20:28< mordante> I think subclassing the text class might be easier
20081230 20:20:44< mordante> especially since you want to avoid copying the selection
20081230 20:20:55< mordante> but want pasting to work
20081230 20:22:09< Baufo_> I see
20081230 20:22:33< Baufo_> well I told you I lack overview :)
20081230 20:22:45< mordante> in the subclass you can hold a special string with the password and send the * to the screen 
20081230 20:22:59< mordante> then copying copies the *'s 
20081230 20:23:22< mordante> and everybody knows you use ***** as password ;-)
20081230 20:24:02< Baufo_> heh
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20081230 20:25:24< Baufo_> I'll look into that tomorrow, for now I'll just commit the login dialog with a normal text field
20081230 20:25:42< zookeeper> ilor, the easiest way to do the editor group tooltip warnings would probably be to just insert the strings in the tooltip names where the groups are defined
20081230 20:25:47< mordante> you rewrote the dialog using the new widgets?
20081230 20:25:49< zookeeper> no code changes required then
20081230 20:26:03< zookeeper> (except the removal from all..)
20081230 20:26:22< ilor> zookeeper: tooltips don't do colors at the moment don't they?
20081230 20:26:33< Baufo_> mordante, yes
20081230 20:27:26< mordante> cool :-)
20081230 20:27:32< ilor> zookeeper: the dumb thing is that the display code doesn't *really* know which group is currently selected, and, well, I'd rather rewrite a bunch of it than write another hack around a broken design
20081230 20:28:09< zookeeper> ilor, yeah i don't think colouring works there atm
20081230 20:29:51 * Shadow_Master is going down for lunch
20081230 20:30:03< Shadow_Master> "down" as in I'll turn off the laptop. :P
20081230 20:30:55< Shadow_Master> wish me luck compiling the latest linux kernel. perhaps I can get cpufreq working...
20081230 20:31:21 * mordante wishes Shadow_Master luck with running the latest linux kernel
20081230 20:31:23< Ivanovic> noy: ping?
20081230 20:31:28< Ivanovic> s/noy/noyga
20081230 20:31:45< Ivanovic> Noyga: so have you submited your reservation now, or do you want me to do so?
20081230 20:32:10< Ivanovic> that is i just got a reply from bruegel
20081230 20:32:13< Ivanovic> boucman: around?
20081230 20:32:27< Ivanovic> i need someone who speaks french to transalate this stuff for me...
20081230 20:32:28< boucman> Ivanovic: yup
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20081230 20:32:37< norbert_> re all
20081230 20:32:37< boucman> sure, no probe 
20081230 20:32:40< boucman> pastebin ?
20081230 20:32:46< Ivanovic> http://pastebin.com/m6adcf6
20081230 20:32:47< mordante> hi norbert_ 
20081230 20:32:54< norbert_> for your information, allefant replied to me with: "No, CampGen is no more. It basically got too big of an application to be developed by a single person, and I never managed to get help."
20081230 20:33:04< boucman> ouch
20081230 20:33:11< boucman> the 7th they are full
20081230 20:33:20< Ivanovic> DAMN
20081230 20:33:23< norbert_> so maybe the webpage could mention that we're looking for a new maintainer
20081230 20:33:29< mordante> :-(
20081230 20:33:37< Shadow_Master> mordante: oh yup, compiling has never been a problem for me
20081230 20:33:52< boucman> the 6th they can have a quadruple room and a double room or a quadruple room and 2 places in another quadruple room (boys only)
20081230 20:33:53< Ivanovic> so shall we try CHAB ?
20081230 20:34:09< boucman> if you still want to book you should tell them fast
20081230 20:34:10< Ivanovic> since we do need beds for two nights...
20081230 20:34:16< boucman> attached : rules and prices
20081230 20:34:28< boucman> well, yeah, we should try that i guess
20081230 20:34:40< mordante> guess so too
20081230 20:34:40< Shadow_Master> ah, almost forgot to get the debian patches...
20081230 20:35:00< Ivanovic> rates at chab: http://www.chab.be/rates.asp?l=en
20081230 20:35:24< noy> its a sad sad day for wesnoth when the MP developer, nor the Developer IRC channel can't answer how damage is calculated in the game
20081230 20:35:49< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, dragonking, mordante, cib01, Noyga: so bruegel is full on 7th (night from saturday to sunday)
20081230 20:35:56< Ivanovic> i will now try to get rooms at chab
20081230 20:36:07< mordante> yes please
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20081230 20:36:23< Ivanovic> Noyga: ping
20081230 20:36:38< Ivanovic> boucman: how old were you, 30, right?
20081230 20:36:46< boucman> 29 :P
20081230 20:36:48< Ivanovic> (since they ask for the ages at chab, too
20081230 20:36:59< Noyga> Ivanovic, i'm back 
20081230 20:37:03< boucman> how many of us is there ?
20081230 20:37:10< Ivanovic> Noyga: have you already tried to book at bruegel?
20081230 20:37:14< Ivanovic> looks like it is full
20081230 20:37:15< Noyga> not yet
20081230 20:37:18< Ivanovic> boucman: with Noyga we are 7
20081230 20:37:21< Ivanovic> without 6
20081230 20:37:25< boucman> k
20081230 20:38:13< Ivanovic> Noyga: so shall i add you for chab (so that we are 7) and how old are you? (since they want to know the range of our ages (no idea why)
20081230 20:38:26< Noyga> i'm 33
20081230 20:38:35< Noyga> yes please
20081230 20:38:37< fendrin_> [ai] [avoid] [location_filter] works not, does it?
20081230 20:38:46< Ivanovic> ARGH
20081230 20:38:54< Ivanovic> okay, at chab you can only book one month in advance
20081230 20:39:40< zookeeper> fendrin_, correct
20081230 20:39:55< fendrin_> zookeeper: Is that a hard task to implement?
20081230 20:40:11< norbert_> is there anyone here with a Wiki account who's willing to help me out with a small favor that could indirectly help the Wesnoth project?
20081230 20:40:16< zookeeper> someone already told the guy on #wesnoth how to do it though, in case that's what you're wondering
20081230 20:40:33< zookeeper> fendrin_, i wouldn't know. probably not
20081230 20:40:54< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, dragonking, mordante, cib01, Noyga: so what number of beds should we try to get onto?
20081230 20:41:05< zookeeper> one!
20081230 20:41:18< zookeeper> and don't forget to take pictures.
20081230 20:41:40< Ivanovic> and we got a problem: we need someone to arrive between 2 and 3pm
20081230 20:41:44< Ivanovic> since that is checkin time
20081230 20:41:50< fendrin_> zookeeper: I got a pm. I can't see a solution that includes a hard mess with foreach and arrays.
20081230 20:41:56< Sirp> you have to checkin between 2 and 3pm??
20081230 20:42:02< Ivanovic> http://www.chab.be/faq.asp?l=en
20081230 20:42:07< Ivanovic> at least that is what they write
20081230 20:42:18< CIA-54> baufo * r31820 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): redoing the login dialog with the new widgets
20081230 20:42:21< zookeeper> fendrin_, yeah there's a little mess involved. not a terrible one though.
20081230 20:42:24< Ivanovic> "The reservations are hold daily until 5 pm, after that the beds are released and your reservation cancelled. If you can’t check in before 5pm, then it’s imperative to call us on the day of arrival before 5pm and ‘we’ll hold your reservation."
20081230 20:42:34< Ivanovic> ah, okay, this should work anyway
20081230 20:43:09< boucman> Ivanovic: no more than one month in advance
20081230 20:43:14< zookeeper> "The reservations are hold daily until 5 pm, after that the beds are released and your reservation cancelled. If you can’t check in before 5pm, then it’s imperative to call us on the day of arrival before 5pm and ‘we’ll hold your reservation."
20081230 20:43:18< zookeeper> echo :)
20081230 20:43:19< boucman> so it's too early, not too late :P
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20081230 20:43:23< mordante> I think that's the easiest
20081230 20:43:43< mordante> I might be there before 2 PM but not sure yet
20081230 20:43:47< boucman>             If I’m older than 35 years old, can I stay at Van Gogh ?             No                                                     
20081230 20:43:47< boucman>                                                      If I’m not 18 year-old yet, can I stay at Van Gogh ?             No
20081230 20:43:58< boucman> that explains the enquiry about age...
20081230 20:44:03< Ivanovic> jupp
20081230 20:44:11 * Noyga will take a day off so arriving before 2pm is possible for me
20081230 20:44:14 * Ivanovic just hopes that cib01 is >=18...
20081230 20:44:24< noy> zookeeper: how do you quantify remove Negative time of day effects?
20081230 20:44:31< Ivanovic> beside this it looks like we will make the age barrier
20081230 20:44:43< Ivanovic> okay, telling bruegel now to cancel our order
20081230 20:45:06< noy> because I think thats what A Guy wants to do with Fearless
20081230 20:45:26< zookeeper> noy, umm, i don't know. but i'm not sure what exactly you're asking either ;)
20081230 20:45:41< noy> zookeeper: neither am I, because thats what A Guy wants to do
20081230 20:46:00< Sirp> Ivanovic: I would imagine you can check in any time after 2pm
20081230 20:47:00< Sirp> or at least until 2am, when reception closes. :)
20081230 20:48:05< Ivanovic> Sirp: have a look at the prices, then you might start to understand: http://www.chab.be/rates.asp?l=en
20081230 20:48:18< Ivanovic> it is basically some kind of hostel, not a normal hotel
20081230 20:48:22< Ivanovic> so they are different...
20081230 20:50:02< Ivanovic> okay, sent a mail to the dev-ml
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20081230 20:52:46< Ivanovic> okay, updated the wiki page
20081230 20:53:42< Ivanovic> the positive aspect about chab is, that it is cheaper than bruegel
20081230 20:53:43< Ivanovic> ;)
20081230 20:53:48< mordante> yes
20081230 20:53:59< ilor> Ivanovic: count me in that booking, friday/saturday and saturday/sunday
20081230 20:54:07< Ivanovic> ilor: okay
20081230 20:54:14< mordante> only we need to make sure we order as soon as possible after the deadline
20081230 20:54:19< Ivanovic> ilor: you are between 18 and 35, right?
20081230 20:54:20< Ivanovic> ;)
20081230 20:54:25< Ivanovic> mordante: yes!
20081230 20:54:26< ilor> Ivanovic: "worst case" is I arrive on saturday morning and you get a free bed for one night;)
20081230 20:54:33< ilor> Ivanovic: yeah
20081230 20:54:55< ilor> I find the upper limit a bit offensive though
20081230 20:55:16< mordante> well what if you're 20 and have children
20081230 20:55:28< Ivanovic> ilor: hey, that limit is set by chab, not by me
20081230 20:55:41< ilor> Ivanovic: I know ;)
20081230 20:56:20< boucman> Ivanovic: you might want to ask a couple of days before the deadline
20081230 20:56:42< boucman> a friend of mine was tricked at a hotel for fosdem last year, and it might have been that one
20081230 20:56:48< boucman> they don't respect their own deadline
20081230 20:57:31< Ivanovic> okay, then i will fill out their pdf form and mail it to them
20081230 20:57:52< Ivanovic> and yeah, i'll do it right now
20081230 20:57:52< mordante> I also wonder why they have that deadline in the first place
20081230 20:58:37< kitty_> zookeeper:
20081230 20:59:07< kitty_> zookeeper: did you make progess with the black bg portraits on the new dialogue?
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20081230 21:00:11< zookeeper> kitty_, yeah, http://imagebin.org/34616
20081230 21:00:13< mordante> Ivanovic when do you want to tag 1.5.7?
20081230 21:00:23< zookeeper> and <zookeeper> quick, mostly mechanical background erasure: http://imagebin.org/34617
20081230 21:01:02< Ivanovic> mordante: is it working now?
20081230 21:01:13< Ivanovic> okay, any guesses how old cib01 is?
20081230 21:02:19< mordante> what can we win :-P
20081230 21:02:31< kitty_> zookeeper: thank you! hmpf, both not really great, the erased one looks actually better imho. but with all those ones touching the borders won't work, wether use black bg's for all or erase backgrounds and stop using those which touch the borders, should be the question then.
20081230 21:05:34< zookeeper> kitty_, how about a cheap fade effect on parts touching the border? i mean, fiddling with the old portraits is just supposed to result in something which is better than having absolutely nothing, it doesn't really need to please an artist ;)
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20081230 21:06:25< zookeeper> i'm not a fan of keeping the black background on all old portraits, since then it'll take like years to get rid of all of them
20081230 21:06:31< kitty_> i'm always against cheap fx- they'll always look *cheap*. 
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20081230 21:07:04< zookeeper> well, we don't have any options which wouldn't, do we?
20081230 21:07:27< mordante> well we can keep the old dialogs for the old images
20081230 21:07:41< zookeeper> we can't do that for 1.6
20081230 21:07:52< mordante> why not?
20081230 21:07:55< kitty_> when will 1.6 be approx?
20081230 21:08:01< zookeeper> for dev releases, fine, but not for a stable
20081230 21:08:03< mordante> 2-3 months
20081230 21:08:15< mordante> at least that's the current planning
20081230 21:08:36< kitty_> in this time frame i could try to add the missing bits to the ones cut off at the edges.
20081230 21:08:54< zookeeper> mordante, because it'd...look ridiculous? how would you explain to the newcomer why it's completely random whose dialogs get to the top of the screen inside a box and whose dialogs get to the bottom of the screen with the box behind the portrait?
20081230 21:08:59< kitty_> two drakes and the dwarf mainly - or miss i some?
20081230 21:09:18< kitty_> and zookeeper is complet ely right - mixing is bad!
20081230 21:09:24< zookeeper> the orcish warlords
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20081230 21:09:29< mordante> zookeeper what do you want to do with old custom portraits in UMC
20081230 21:09:49< mordante> kitty_ and that's why you're an artist and I'm not ;-)
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20081230 21:09:59< zookeeper> UMC authors will have to convert in the same manner we'll choose for mainline (if any)
20081230 21:10:15< mordante> ok
20081230 21:10:26< kitty_> harsh but right...
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20081230 21:12:44< kitty_> ok, zookeeper, then you delete the black bg's of those whiich don't touch the top or right border and i'll do rough edits of the problematic four. ok?
20081230 21:13:33< Ivanovic> okay, sent cib a mail asking for his age
20081230 21:13:56< kitty_> mordante, will the new engine size the old portraits up to 400px or will it use their size as max? 
20081230 21:14:00< zookeeper> kitty_, actually there's a lot more of them, a lot of the lutes portraits for instance touch both edges
20081230 21:14:36< kitty_> oh f***, i look over them.
20081230 21:14:50< zookeeper> maybe we could just...hmm...
20081230 21:15:07< zookeeper> i wonder if what i have in mind would look very cheap
20081230 21:15:07< mordante> kitty_ at the moment that's not really determined, since I didn't expect to use different sizes
20081230 21:15:10 * zookeeper tries
20081230 21:15:47< mordante> but I assume scaling it up by a factor two might look bad
20081230 21:15:59< kitty_> mordante, please always use the pics' size as their max size - don't let the game interpolate bigger sizes!
20081230 21:16:08< boucman> couldn't we speciy in [portrait] what ege(s) a portrait should touch ?
20081230 21:16:44< kitty_> boucman, huh- they always touch the bottom and left or when mirrored the bottom and right...
20081230 21:18:18< mordante> kitty_ that can be done, not sure what it does at the moment
20081230 21:18:37< mordante> I want to implement that once you determined whether scaling down looks acceptable or not
20081230 21:19:02< kitty_> mordante: would be good to know, but i guess not many people use screens so big that it matters for the new portraits...
20081230 21:19:21< Ivanovic> once i know that CIB is 18, i can submit the pdf, i filled it out on my tablet...
20081230 21:19:46< mordante> kitty_ ? on smaller screens the 400x400 get scaled down more
20081230 21:20:16< mordante> as on larger screens
20081230 21:20:20< kitty_> yes, that's why i said scaling bigger is bad, scaling down is fine with me.
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20081230 21:21:16< mordante> I thought you wanted to look whether the 400x400 scaled down looked good enough and if not make more in between sizes yourself
20081230 21:22:17< kitty_> yes, that's something i would like to see, too. but i wait till 1.5.7 is finished for mac until i can say something about this...
20081230 21:23:06< Ivanovic> kitty_: crimson_penguin already said that the mac binary won't be out before thursday
20081230 21:23:10< mordante> yes of course, but I want to wait with coding the final version of the portrait code until you decided
20081230 21:23:40< mordante> your decission will affect how the code will work
20081230 21:24:04< Ivanovic> mordante: please commit the change to the build systems to not have the new memory allocator active by defaul
20081230 21:24:06< Ivanovic> t
20081230 21:24:10< Ivanovic> then i can release in maybe 30mins
20081230 21:26:03< kitty_> zookeeper, of all lutes portraits i could find only 7 (cavalier, grand knight, halberdier, highwayman, javileneer, longbowman, pikeman) have to be extended in height or to the side. i'll see if i'll do that myself or find somebody on the forum. for spearman, swordsman and royal guard we can use the new ones lordbob does atm. 
20081230 21:26:58< zookeeper> yeah
20081230 21:27:20< kitty_> mordante, i don't understand, what you are saying - how shall i decide which sizes we use if i haven't seen how could the ingame done downsizing is?
20081230 21:28:53< mordante> kitty_ I didn't mean to say that :-/ what I meant to say is that I need to wait with finishing the code until you made your decission (which you obviously only can do after looking at it in 1.5.7)
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20081230 21:29:26< kitty_> ok, thank you for the explanation!  :) 
20081230 21:30:02< mordante> I don't expect you to carry around a crystal ball to look at 1.5.7 ;-)
20081230 21:30:28< mordante> Ivanovic it would be nice if you can look at cmake and loonycyborg at scons
20081230 21:31:02< Ivanovic> mordante: in CMakeLists.txt just make the "on" and "off" in the line where the explainaition of the new alloc is
20081230 21:35:09< zookeeper> kitty_, i couldn't resist: http://imagebin.org/34628 too cheap? that'd be really quick and easy to do ;)
20081230 21:35:40< zookeeper> the fading wouldn't really work when there's a spear or whatever clipping the _top_ of the image, but most don't have that
20081230 21:36:38< kitty_> gah! i rather do the work!
20081230 21:39:18< zookeeper> well, if you prefer..
20081230 21:39:44< kitty_> :) 
20081230 21:39:58< boucman> zookeeper: now that you did that preview, kitty_ is much more motivated to do the missing parts ;)
20081230 21:40:01< zookeeper> btw it doesn't look like erasing the background from old portraits really affects how they display in the old dialogs either, so i guess it's safe to do that on them directly
20081230 21:40:33< boucman> seriously, kitty_, wouldn't that be a good job to teach some amateur portraitist on the forum the tricks of the trade ?
20081230 21:40:58< kitty_> i'm just writing a REQUEST post in the art forums...
20081230 21:41:05< Ivanovic> okay, running the pot-update to prepare 1.5.7
20081230 21:41:19< Ivanovic> mordante: so commit the build system change and any other fixes you got lying around
20081230 21:41:38< zookeeper> kitty_, i'll start erasing from the Alex_Jarocha-Ernst dir, excluding the drakes
20081230 21:41:56< kitty_> what's a dir?
20081230 21:42:04< zookeeper> so, i'll erase the background and flip the units if necessary so that they only clip at the left edge?
20081230 21:42:07< zookeeper> directory
20081230 21:42:33< Rhonda> oh
20081230 21:42:33< kitty_> yep, flip and erase - but where is that dir?
20081230 21:42:34< Rhonda> oh
20081230 21:42:43 * Rhonda listens closely to Ivanovic
20081230 21:42:54< mordante> Ivanovic testing them, my system is slow ;-)
20081230 21:42:59< Ivanovic> :)
20081230 21:43:01< zookeeper> kitty_, the main portrait dir in core
20081230 21:43:28< kitty_> ok, i give up - will you post the changed ones on the forum?
20081230 21:43:36< Ivanovic> boucman: that your phone number is still the same is a good thing
20081230 21:43:50< boucman> :)
20081230 21:43:50< Ivanovic> boucman: it would be even better, if it was listed in the forum topic
20081230 21:43:52< Ivanovic> ;)
20081230 21:43:57< boucman> isn't it ? 
20081230 21:44:04< boucman> I thought I had checked
20081230 21:44:40< boucman> it's in the fourth post, but I'll edit your top post if you're fine with that...
20081230 21:44:40< Ivanovic> argh, okay, it is listed by far further down
20081230 21:44:44< Ivanovic> just not in the first
20081230 21:44:50< Ivanovic> yes, it is there to be edited
20081230 21:44:54< boucman> k
20081230 21:45:17< boucman> done
20081230 21:45:58< zookeeper> kitty_, well, if you really want. i was thinking of just committing them though (maybe after 1.5.7 is tagged since they wouldn't be of any use there)
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20081230 21:46:49< kitty_> zookeeper, i'd just like to see one -k? just to see how you do the outline...  :P 
20081230 21:47:10< zookeeper> ok, fine
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20081230 21:47:42< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31821 /trunk/po/ (95 files in 3 dirs): 
20081230 21:47:42< CIA-54> pot-update (preparing for 1.5.7)
20081230 21:47:42< CIA-54> regenerated doc files (nothing changed here...)
20081230 21:48:20< boucman> zookeeper: can't  you post them all to the image sharing site before comitting ?
20081230 21:49:48< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31822 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
20081230 21:49:48< CIA-54> bump version to 1.5.7
20081230 21:49:48< CIA-54> tagging got to wait for mordantes change to the build system(s) disabling the new memory allocator by default
20081230 21:51:05 * Ivanovic summons CIB0 / CIB01
20081230 21:51:18< Ivanovic> hope this works...
20081230 21:52:47< zookeeper> kitty_, the outlines look somewhat rough, but i don't think it really shows in-game, unless it's an artist looking at it at a relatively low resolution
20081230 21:53:34< kitty_> just show one! don't know what "rough" means to you...
20081230 21:53:54< boucman> it's incredible, it's seems like days ago when jason submitted these portraits and they were the best thing wesnoth could dream of...
20081230 21:54:01< boucman> and now they are old and out of style :)
20081230 21:54:05< Ivanovic> :)
20081230 21:54:11< zookeeper> kitty_, http://imagebin.org/34631 http://imagebin.org/34630
20081230 21:54:23< kitty_> it's just another style - i love his comics!
20081230 21:54:26 * boucman starts to realize that he has been around for a really long time...
20081230 21:54:43< Ivanovic> boucman: sounds familiar to me...
20081230 21:54:57< boucman> Ivanovic: when was your first contact with wesnoth
20081230 21:55:06< Ivanovic> sometimes around 0.8.x
20081230 21:55:15< boucman> mine was a good add on linuxfr about the 0.7 release :)
20081230 21:55:19< boucman> good times
20081230 21:55:23< mordante> ping loonycyborg 
20081230 21:55:31< boucman> I joined a little bit before elvish pillager
20081230 21:55:38< boucman> and miyo was still around at that time
20081230 21:55:53< kitty_> zookeeper - you make a selection of the colour black- right? then make it a pixel smaller and then smoothen it with one pixel radius - t hat should look smoother.
20081230 21:56:08< mordante> I can't remember which version I first played, but it was quite a while before I joined the project
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20081230 21:58:36< zookeeper> kitty_, i'm not using photoshop but psp x, so the tool details vary a bit
20081230 22:00:08< kitty_> hmm, i don't know about pspx - but try to leave more of an outline over and look if there is an option to "smooth" the selction.
20081230 22:01:40 * Ivanovic gets out the huge bell
20081230 22:01:43< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: ping
20081230 22:01:57< Ivanovic> (yes, that was a real sound...)
20081230 22:02:00< mordante> I just made the change, typing the commit message
20081230 22:02:06< Ivanovic> okay
20081230 22:03:00< zookeeper> Ivanovic, ah, my changelog updating time?
20081230 22:03:07< Ivanovic> zookeeper: yes, please do so
20081230 22:03:20< zookeeper> all right
20081230 22:03:25< Ivanovic> everyone: get your last changes for 1.5.7 in and make sure that the changelog is fine
20081230 22:03:27< CIA-54> mordante * r31823 /trunk/ (CMakeLists.txt SConstruct changelog configure.ac): 
20081230 22:03:27< CIA-54> Disable the new pool allocated by default.
20081230 22:03:27< CIA-54> The new allocator seems to give some problems on some systems so disable
20081230 22:03:27< CIA-54> by default. The changes haven't been tested on scons and cmake.
20081230 22:03:49< mordante> Ivanovic it would be nice if you can test scons and cmake, will take hours on my system
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20081230 22:04:32< Ivanovic> uhm, i never before used scons
20081230 22:04:35< Ivanovic> but yeah, i can test cmake
20081230 22:04:42< mordante> and with hours I do mean hours ;-)
20081230 22:05:06< busfahrer> mordante: Just if it builds? I have scons
20081230 22:05:24< Ivanovic> though the changes look fine to me, should work nicely
20081230 22:05:35< mordante> yes with poolalloc enabled and disabled (and preferable not on windows)
20081230 22:05:44< zookeeper> kitty_, how's this? http://imagebin.org/34632
20081230 22:06:09< busfahrer> mordante: I'm no dev, where do I set that? :-)
20081230 22:06:17< mordante> Ivanovic yes I think it should work, but prefer not to release 1.5.8 tomorrow
20081230 22:07:29< kitty_> zookeeper: much better! go for that (you have some remains at the bottom and right edge)!
20081230 22:08:23< CIA-54> zookeeper * r31824 /trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/01_The_Elves_Besieged.cfg: Removed the AI controller for the release.
20081230 22:08:25< zookeeper> oops, that was a bit poorly worded commit message...
20081230 22:08:31< zookeeper> kitty_, all right
20081230 22:09:56< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31825 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/de.po wesnoth-lib/de.po): typo fixes in German translation (thanks Mordante)
20081230 22:09:57< mordante> busfahrer no idea I don't use scons, maybe ESR_ or ilor know the answer
20081230 22:10:06< mordante> thanks Ivanovic 
20081230 22:10:26< ESR_> What's the question?
20081230 22:10:41< busfahrer> Well r31823 builds with scons and "test" finishes fine, don't know about the pool alloc...
20081230 22:10:55< mordante> how to set the flag for enable/disable to poolalloc flag in scons
20081230 22:12:30< loonycyborg> mordante: scons pool_alloc=false
20081230 22:12:40< mordante> thanks 
20081230 22:12:44< mordante> busfahrer ^^
20081230 22:12:51< busfahrer> One second
20081230 22:13:03< Ivanovic> okay, cmake build is fine, by default it is now really turned off
20081230 22:13:10< mordante> only that it should be disabled by default now ;-)
20081230 22:13:27< ilor> Sconstruct:74 change True to False?
20081230 22:13:35< loonycyborg> Yes.
20081230 22:13:39< ilor> :73 sorry ;)
20081230 22:14:18< ilor> I'll commit it if nobody's doing it..
20081230 22:15:07< busfahrer> It builds fine with both off and on, default seems to be off
20081230 22:15:10< busfahrer> Oh :-)
20081230 22:15:29< CIA-54> zookeeper * r31826 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Updated changelogs.
20081230 22:15:33< zookeeper> ok, IIRC i don't have anything pending now so go ahead and release
20081230 22:16:28< mordante> thanks busfahrer 
20081230 22:16:37< loonycyborg> ilor: It's already disabled by default.
20081230 22:16:38< busfahrer> yw
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20081230 22:18:04< ilor> loonycyborg: uh, SConstruct:74 has a BoolOption(pool_alloc, "...", True)
20081230 22:18:28< mordante> ilor which revision do you run, I just changed it
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20081230 22:19:04< ilor> updated a minute ago (well, it's still running but SConstruct got through already)
20081230 22:19:16< loonycyborg> ilor: r31823
20081230 22:19:25< busfahrer> 31825 has False
20081230 22:19:42< ilor> stupid windows svn -_-
20081230 22:19:42< loonycyborg> shikadibot: log 31823
20081230 22:19:45< shikadibot> Revision 31823 (mordante, 2008-12-30 21:03:11 +0000 (Tue, 30 Dec 2008)):
20081230 22:19:48< shikadibot> Disable the new pool allocated by default.
20081230 22:19:51< shikadibot> The new allocator seems to give some problems on some systems so disable
20081230 22:19:54< shikadibot> by default. The changes haven't been tested on scons and cmake.
20081230 22:19:56< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=31823
20081230 22:21:12< loonycyborg> mordante: Your change definitely didn't break the scons script :)
20081230 22:21:22< mordante> :-)
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20081230 22:22:53< Ivanovic> everybody: ready for 1.5.7 ?
20081230 22:23:04< mordante> yes
20081230 22:23:28< busfahrer> I want to be the first non-dev to download the tarball :-D
20081230 22:23:59 * loonycyborg is ready
20081230 22:28:29 * fendrin__ not
20081230 22:31:17< zookeeper> kitty_, great, i forgot about how i did that erasure already -.- i guess i'll just have to experiment and find it again
20081230 22:31:42< kitty_> :(  what  was done once can be done again! 
20081230 22:32:17< CIA-54> fendrin * r31827 /trunk/players_changelog: Added entries for LoW to the players_changelog.
20081230 22:32:39< fendrin__> Ivanovic: ready
20081230 22:34:09< zookeeper> ah, got it. magic wand selection (no anti-aliasing/feathering), then contract selection 1px, then shape-based anti-alias
20081230 22:34:34< zookeeper> wait 30s with tagging
20081230 22:36:06< zookeeper> ok, another 60 ;)
20081230 22:36:20< zookeeper> i'll just get those dehydration icons in, but i have to test it once to make sure
20081230 22:37:10 * Ivanovic will even wait 120s
20081230 22:37:12< Ivanovic> ;)
20081230 22:38:12< zookeeper> done
20081230 22:38:26< CIA-54> zookeeper * r31828 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added a little overlay icon to dehydrated units.
20081230 22:39:00< zookeeper> ok, i'm off to bed, good night
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20081230 22:44:40< Ivanovic> okay, everyone ready now?
20081230 22:45:29< Ivanovic> AI0867, Baufo_, BenUrban, ESR_, fendrin__, ilor, kitty_, loonycyborg, mordante, Noyga, shikadibot, Sirp, suokko_, everyone else: ready for 1.5.7?
20081230 22:45:41< BenUrban> huh?
20081230 22:45:52 * BenUrban is ready to not download it
20081230 22:45:57< mordante> yes I'm ready
20081230 22:45:59< kitty_> gogogo
20081230 22:46:03< fendrin__> go
20081230 22:46:11< Baufo_> I think I am
20081230 22:46:33< Noyga> ready
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20081230 22:47:28< kblin> hi
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20081230 22:47:37< mordante> hi kblin 
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20081230 22:47:54< Ivanovic> kitty_: kblin is working on some really great tool to make it artists easier to upload things to open source projects
20081230 22:48:11< kitty_> great - hello kblin!
20081230 22:48:14< kblin> kitty_: I'm... what Ivanovic said..
20081230 22:48:22< [Relic]> Hello :)
20081230 22:48:22< Ivanovic> kitty_: maybe you can give him some feedback on what you would like to see in a tool to allow this
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20081230 22:48:36< Ivanovic> he showed some really interesting stuff back in october on the summer of code mentor summit
20081230 22:48:39< kitty_> what does this tool do?
20081230 22:49:02< Ivanovic> *magic*
20081230 22:49:04< Ivanovic> ;)
20081230 22:49:13< kitty_> sparkles?
20081230 22:49:17< busfahrer> Is there an URL for the tarball yet? :-)
20081230 22:49:19< kblin> basically, it's a media repository browser right now, I'm working on allowing people to upload art using it as well
20081230 22:49:20< Ivanovic> okay, i will leave this to kblin, got to work on the release now
20081230 22:49:22< Ivanovic> wish me luck
20081230 22:49:33< kitty_> good luck!
20081230 22:49:46< mordante> good luck Ivanovic 
20081230 22:49:51< kitty_> an image browser?
20081230 22:50:12< kblin> well, it's web-based, and I'm planning to add 3d model previews as well
20081230 22:50:53< kitty_> sounds interesting! how ist stuff sorted? can one tag the pics?
20081230 22:51:25< kblin> in planning. I'm afraid apart from a basic directory view it's pretty much vapourware so far.
20081230 22:52:22< kitty_> and what are you planing? is it one browser for all open source pictures? or project specific?
20081230 22:53:10< kblin> well, I started this to scratch my project's own itch, but I figure other open source projects might find it useful as well
20081230 22:54:16< kblin> basically I'm trying to hook into the projects media pipeline at the point where artists can submit media using the web frontend and the art lead to compile media for release
20081230 22:54:56< kblin> the specific issue I'm trying to solve is that in my experience, our artists have some fun time learing how to use subversion to submit artwork
20081230 22:55:52< kblin> given that artists are a precious resource for all the game projects I've seen, I'd like to help them spend their time on art, not tools
20081230 22:56:21< kblin> http://wombat.worldforge.org/ has a demo of what the tool can do right now
20081230 22:56:43< kitty_> ah. i'm one of those artists using only the web-end, because i'm rather scared of the technical aspects... i always have friendly devs commiting my stuff. so i hope your tool looks nice and friedly and no too complicated!
20081230 22:56:43< kblin> http://wombat.worldforge.org/dir is the classic "directory view" that the repository uses internally
20081230 22:57:49< kitty_> the wombat is a good start for sure - cute!
20081230 22:57:55< kblin> I'm trying to come up with a friendlier way of organizing the assets, tags seem the natual way to go
20081230 22:58:01< Ivanovic> wow, this will be a hell of a lot of changes, the xdelta patch for the sources has ~33MB
20081230 22:58:18< Ivanovic> the (uncompressed) tarball has 17MB more than the one from 1.5.6
20081230 22:58:41< kitty_> yay for tagging! i can't see how the thing is searched?
20081230 22:58:56< kblin> yeah, the search box got lost in the UI redesign
20081230 22:59:07< kblin> I need to kick my webdesigner to readd it
20081230 22:59:08< kblin> :)
20081230 22:59:21< mordante> Ivanovic I added quite some new portraits :-)
20081230 22:59:33< kitty_> so, right now i have to click through all the subcategories?
20081230 23:00:07< kblin> yeah, for now.
20081230 23:00:19< kitty_> and later on, will the pics be added by the artists who will have to tag them themselves or what do you plan?
20081230 23:00:40< kblin> well, I figure every logged in user will be allowed to tag items
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20081230 23:02:19< kitty_> i don't know if it is a valid comparison, a wesnoth user tried something a bit similar and it fall asleep pretty quick because it wasn't linked to the project directly. http://wesnoth.dbzer0.com/blog/wpg2
20081230 23:02:22< kblin> kitty_: for uploading, a simple "browse harddisk" and some text fields to add the tags should be sufficient... the tricky part is to add moderation to the new pictures
20081230 23:02:53< kblin> to make sure nobody is uploading anything you don't want..
20081230 23:03:37< kitty_> of course. you'll have to have human moderators, don't you. or can you solve that technically?
20081230 23:03:37 * kblin nods
20081230 23:03:47< kblin> no. I wish
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20081230 23:04:10< kblin> if I could solve that problem, I'd be making money like crazy ;)
20081230 23:04:22< Ivanovic> kitty_: and the new dialogs with portraits IMO look *great* http://imagebin.org/34639
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20081230 23:04:56< kitty_> kblin: the true spirit of open source... :P
20081230 23:05:53< kblin> kitty_: noone said you're not allowed to make money while doing open source ;)
20081230 23:06:05< Ivanovic> ESR_: TSG really needs new maps
20081230 23:06:14< Ivanovic> ESR_: currently this looks just *ugh*
20081230 23:06:44< Ivanovic> that is: maps that are shown in story screens
20081230 23:06:57< Ivanovic> seeing this old map is so disgusting
20081230 23:07:33< kitty_> kblin: then i'll keep my finger's crossed that you'll find a solution... i think it's a question of scale, the smaller the project the less spam pics.
20081230 23:07:59< kitty_> Ivanovic: great to see it actually working!
20081230 23:08:19< kblin> I think this can be deal with by only giving trusted people commit access at first
20081230 23:08:50< kblin> basically I wanted to get some feedback on the current state of the tool, and I got some, so thanks alot...
20081230 23:08:59< kblin> the search box and tagging are on my todo list :)
20081230 23:09:28< kitty_> good luck, kblin!
20081230 23:10:09< Ivanovic> okay, some output i get in terminal when starting AOI (related to the new gui):
20081230 23:10:10< Ivanovic> 20081230 23:09:39 error gui_draw: Image: formula returned name ' 'not found and won't be drawn.
20081230 23:10:26< Ivanovic> that is: the image of Erlornas is not shown in his dialog parts
20081230 23:10:59< kblin> kitty_: if you don't mind, I'd very much appreciate some feedback once in a while :)
20081230 23:11:37< kblin> Ivanovic pushed me in here a bit unprepared, I need to work on my sales pitch some more
20081230 23:11:50< Ivanovic> :)
20081230 23:12:12< Ivanovic> kblin: i just thought that kitty_ might be the exact audiance you are looking for
20081230 23:12:20< Ivanovic> so i wanted to mention that she is around atm
20081230 23:12:22< Ivanovic> ;)
20081230 23:12:26< kblin> sure, thanks alot
20081230 23:13:10< kblin> kitty_: If I have image uploading working, I'd be happy if you could give _that_ a try.
20081230 23:13:45< kitty_> kblin, just drop me a pm on the wesnoth forum or if you meet me here on irc - always a pleasure!
20081230 23:14:00< kblin> thanks alot
20081230 23:19:47< Ivanovic> mordante: btw, since your changes to the dialogs (not 100% sure though) the esc key changed behavior in the ingame dialogs
20081230 23:20:08< Ivanovic> that is: before you could just skip all dialogs at the start of a scenario by hitting esc
20081230 23:20:19< Ivanovic> with the new dialogs (once those are shown) it is not working anymore
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20081230 23:20:44< Ivanovic> though yeah, it is a good idea to make people actually see those lovely portraits we got
20081230 23:21:25< mordante> hmm I was unaware of the esc feature :-/
20081230 23:21:36< mordante> so didn't implement it
20081230 23:21:56< Sapient> I think hotkeys on the titlescreen are relatively new occurrence
20081230 23:22:12< Sapient> so probably wasn't tested thoroughly
20081230 23:22:19< Ivanovic> Sapient: not titlescreen
20081230 23:22:27< mordante> btw Ivanovic could you check which encoding my patch has (the one I cc'ed to you)
20081230 23:22:27< Ivanovic> ingame when the characters are having their chit chat
20081230 23:22:40< Ivanovic> mordante: no idea, i just know that it was not utf8...
20081230 23:23:04< mordante> odd all git documentation seems to indicate things should be utf8 :-/
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20081230 23:23:48< kblin> mordante: nope, git will happily use whatever you dump into it
20081230 23:24:03< kblin> mordante: it's a stupid directory content tracker
20081230 23:24:25< kblin> mordante: (read: it's not a bug, it's a feature)
20081230 23:24:31< mordante> kblin and when I do git diff >patch shouldn't that be utf8?
20081230 23:25:01< kblin> depends on your locale, I guess
20081230 23:25:34< kitty_> good night all.
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20081230 23:25:41< Ivanovic> n8 kitty_
20081230 23:26:36< mordante> I can't find an --encoding option for git-diff only for git-diff-tree and my locale is en_US.UTF-8
20081230 23:27:00< kblin> then it should be utf-8 indeed
20081230 23:27:09< kblin> how did you send it?
20081230 23:27:25< mordante> a file attached with mutt
20081230 23:28:45< busfahrer> Is there a tarball yet? :-D
20081230 23:29:07< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31829 /tags/1.5.7/: tag 1.5.7, using r31828
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20081230 23:29:37< Ivanovic> busfahrer: there is a complete tarball on my harddrive
20081230 23:29:48< Ivanovic> but it will take some more time till it is uploaded
20081230 23:30:07< Ivanovic> since 200MB take a while to upload with just 1Mbit upstream
20081230 23:30:22< busfahrer> Oh OK :-)
20081230 23:31:14< kblin> mordante: and you didn't set mutt to convert to latin-1 or somesuch?
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20081230 23:34:56< mordante> kblin seems I didn't specify it so might be it converts it to latin-1
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20081230 23:37:45< Ivanovic> that is why i perfer to attach atchives to mails (and request this from translators)
20081230 23:37:58< Ivanovic> it is better to be sure that the correct format arrives at the other end
20081230 23:37:59< Ivanovic> ;)
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20081230 23:39:43< mordante> I prefer to fix it on my side so next time you get a useful patch
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20081230 23:43:46< Ivanovic> yes, please do so
20081230 23:46:14< kblin> anyway, time for me to get going as well
20081230 23:46:22< kblin> night folks
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20081230 23:47:00 * Ivanovic hugs our sever
20081230 23:47:09< Ivanovic> uploading to sf.net with 10MB/s is *lovely*
20081230 23:59:44< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin, loonycyborg, Rhonda: the tarball is now online
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