--- Log opened Wed Dec 31 00:00:25 2008
--- Day changed Wed Dec 31 2008
20081231 00:00:25< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: it would be really nice if you could eventually create a bundle of "tools for building on OSX" with all the libs/frameworks/code files/patches needed to build on OSX and upload it to sf.net
20081231 00:01:55< Ivanovic> you know, like in this thingie: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=89495&package_id=128407&release_id=601139
20081231 00:12:36< ESR_> Ivanovic: Shall I close bugs?
20081231 00:13:02< Ivanovic> yes, please
20081231 00:13:05< Ivanovic> and also patches
20081231 00:13:10< ESR_> OK.
20081231 00:15:35< Ivanovic> most important question now is: should i announce this year, or wait till next year?
20081231 00:15:58< ESR_> What, you mean 1.5.7?
20081231 00:16:07< Ivanovic> jupp
20081231 00:16:28< ESR_> I don'yt really see how it makes a difference.
20081231 00:19:07< Ivanovic> oh, it makes *all* the difference regarding the text i got to write...
20081231 00:19:09< Ivanovic> ;)
20081231 00:19:12< Sapient> right... arbitrary positions on the Gregorian calendar mean little to me as well
20081231 00:19:37< mordante> except that quite some people do care about it
20081231 00:20:12< mordante> the other question in which TZ in the release announcement placed ;-)
20081231 00:20:25< Sirp> Sapient: btw did you ever get that modified version of upload_log.cpp ?
20081231 00:21:35< ESR_> 29 bugs closed.
20081231 00:21:44< mordante> nice
20081231 00:22:01< Sapient> Sirp: updating svn currently
20081231 00:22:49< ESR_> No patches are ready to be closed.
20081231 00:23:38< mordante> ESR_ I see serveral patches marked as done
20081231 00:23:54< ESR_> Techecking...
20081231 00:24:04< mordante> and a won't do
20081231 00:24:24< ESR_> Ah, I had the filter set wrong.
20081231 00:24:56< mordante> I was sure there were some patches to be closed ;-)
20081231 00:25:57< ESR_> 4 patches closed.
20081231 00:30:01< Ivanovic> okay, time for me to head off to bed, n8
20081231 00:31:32< Ivanovic> ESR_: it would be really great if you could have a look at the maps used in TSG (the story screen maps)
20081231 00:31:39< Ivanovic> ESR_: currently those really do look bad
20081231 00:31:43< Sirp> Sapient: I pastebinned the modified version of upload_log.cpp though -- did you see that?
20081231 00:31:48< mordante> nioght Ivanovic 
20081231 00:31:52< mordante> night*
20081231 00:31:58< Ivanovic> can the normal map be used there and/or maybe a new one be created for it?
20081231 00:32:04< ESR_> Ivanovic: You mean the old sepia-tinted ones?
20081231 00:32:09< mordante> I'm also of to bed, night
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20081231 00:32:40< Sapient> Sirp: yes, I saved it shortly after you posted the link. I'm often reading the irclog.
20081231 00:32:46< Ivanovic> i mean this monster: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/images/story/bigmap.jpg?rev=26045&view=markup
20081231 00:33:36< Ivanovic> this just look *bah*
20081231 00:34:09< Ivanovic> IMO it would be better to show no map at all instead of this one
20081231 00:34:36< Sirp> Sapient: okay I figured; was just making sure. :)
20081231 00:35:01 * Sapient now building
20081231 00:38:58< CIA-54> ivanovic * r31830 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): post release version bump to 1.5.7+svn
20081231 00:59:37 * Sapient build finished; running
20081231 01:02:09< Sapient> umm... hmm. build finished but executable missing :/
20081231 01:02:45< boucman> weird
20081231 01:02:58< Sapient> now Code::Blocks crash
20081231 01:09:56< Sapient> apparently I'm missing tgenerator file from my project
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20081231 01:13:26< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I think it's almost ready for that, now that I've got good Boost libraries... seems like it's 15MB compressed, if I include all the Boost headers (but I could probably remove most - they're 55mb uncompressed)
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20081231 01:44:13< Sapient> Sirp: http://stats.wesnoth.org/?15166349570
20081231 01:44:35< Sirp> Sapient: ?
20081231 01:44:38< Sapient> I just started AOI then quit during the first turn; version is 1.5.7
20081231 01:44:54< Sirp> Sapient: okay......so can you please give me your console output?
20081231 01:45:06< Sirp> ...using my patched version of upload_log.cpp
20081231 01:45:09< Sirp> but right now I have to go
20081231 01:45:12< Sirp> later...
20081231 01:45:20< Sapient> pasting in approx 10 secs ;)
20081231 01:45:57< Sapient> umm... nothing useful appears in stdout or stderr
20081231 01:46:15< Sapient> do I need to use an arg?
20081231 01:47:40< Sapient> Sirp: yeah, looks like none of your stderr code ever executed
20081231 01:49:06< Sapient> http://rafb.net/p/fSA1f016.html
20081231 01:49:42 * Sapient trying AOI scenario1 again
20081231 01:56:00< Sapient> this time I played a few times then leader diead. http://rafb.net/p/lPFcJc12.html
20081231 01:58:36< Sapient> so either upload_logs() isn't being called, or SDLNet_ResolveHost(&ip, TARGET_HOST, TARGET_PORT) != 0
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20081231 02:31:16< Sapient> Sirp: SDLNet_ResolveHost returns: '-1'
20081231 02:31:47< Sapient> this would explain why your debug fprintf code is not reached
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20081231 02:40:57< Sirp_> hi
20081231 02:41:33< Sapient> yo Sirp
20081231 02:41:43< Sapient> check your irclog
20081231 02:41:53< Sapient> I am making some progress isolating the prob
20081231 02:42:40< Sirp_> okay...
20081231 02:43:27< Sirp_> Sapient: oh, are you playing with --debug set?
20081231 02:43:37< Sirp_> or are you switching to debug mode?
20081231 02:43:50< Sapient> no
20081231 02:43:55< Sirp_> okay
20081231 02:44:02< Sirp_> because it won't upload logs if you're in debug mode.
20081231 02:44:03< Sirp_> just fyi
20081231 02:44:05< Sapient> I am aware of that
20081231 02:44:09< Sirp_> okay
20081231 02:44:25< Sirp_> and are you sure you have it enabled in your game config (you should unless you played with it)
20081231 02:44:39< Sapient> yes, I checked
20081231 02:44:48< Sirp_> okay
20081231 02:44:59< Sirp_> oh and sorry didn't see the bit in the log about how you got to SDLNet_ResolveHost.
20081231 02:45:22< Sapient> I added some code to print the SDLNet error and am attempting to rebuild
20081231 02:45:39 * Sapient if I can get Code::Blocks to stop crashing
20081231 02:46:11< Sapient> BTW, are you sure that network init() is called before it attempts to upload?
20081231 02:46:40< Sirp_> Sapient: that's a good question; checking....
20081231 02:50:28< Sirp_> Sapient: hmmm having trouble seeing where it does....I didn't write this code though, so I'm not sure...still looking...
20081231 03:00:55< Sirp_> Sapient: it looks like it is not called.
20081231 03:01:25< Sirp_> Sapient: so perhaps you could try constructing a network::manager::manager for the duration of upload_logs() and see if that helps? :)
20081231 03:02:03< Sapient> that seems like a likely culprit yes
20081231 03:02:13< Sapient> hang on I'm still testing my last build
20081231 03:02:29< Sapient> this environment I'm working with is very slow here
20081231 03:04:53< Sirp_> okay....no problem. :)
20081231 03:05:29< Sapient> Error resolving host: ""  //empty string
20081231 03:06:17< Sapient> so SDLNet_GetError() returning an empty string apparently means net is not initialized
20081231 03:06:29< Sirp_> okay
20081231 03:06:34< Sirp_> this sounds like good news. :)
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20081231 03:29:31< Sapient> Sirp_: http://rafb.net/p/yHBVd811.html
20081231 03:32:10< Sirp_> Sapient: ahhh cool, I think that means it's working. The bad http version thing is a mistake I'm working on. (isn't actually the version -- means that the script is returning an error)
20081231 03:32:44< Sirp_> Sapient: can you please commit the network::manager thing? Or I can if you prefer.
20081231 03:33:30< Sapient> so it's ok to rollback all my debug code, or you anticipate it may be needed?
20081231 03:33:49< Sapient> I'll just save a backup
20081231 03:34:05< Sirp_> Sapient: probably a good idea, though at this stage I think the problem is solved; thank you greatly for the help.
20081231 03:38:34< Sapient> committed; shame it didn't make it into the latest dev release, though
20081231 03:39:03< Sirp_> Sapient: well has the Windows binary been released?
20081231 03:39:33< Sapient> not sure... loonycyborg is in charge of the Windows packaging
20081231 03:39:49< Sapient> we can ping him when he pops in next
20081231 03:40:44< Sirp_> Sapient: yeah, we can ask him to apply the patch before he builds the binary.
20081231 03:43:08< Sapient> shikadibot: log head
20081231 03:43:12< shikadibot> Revision 31831 (sapient, 2008-12-31 02:38:05 +0000 (Wed, 31 Dec 2008)):
20081231 03:43:15< shikadibot> ensure SDL Net initialized before sending upload_log
20081231 03:43:17< shikadibot> Web interface URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=31831
20081231 03:51:01< Sirp_> Sapient: okay I fixed the script; you should no longer get the bad version message.
20081231 03:51:10< Sirp_> now all should work perfectly
20081231 03:51:12< crimson_penguin> I'm uploading a "Mac Compile Stuff" specifically for Jetrel - it's missing the Boost headers and libraries, but I know he has them
20081231 03:51:13< Sapient> work calls, gtg
20081231 03:51:14< Sirp_> thank you for debugging it with me.
20081231 03:51:22< Sapient> no problem, later
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20081231 05:10:56< CIA-54> sapient * r31831 /trunk/src/upload_log.cpp: ensure SDL Net initialized before sending upload_log
20081231 05:10:58< CIA-54> sapient * r31832 /trunk/changelog: added changelog entry for r31831
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20081231 10:19:34< boucman> was it mythological that did the MP campaign things ?
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20081231 10:25:57< zookeeper> boucman, yeah, mostly, i think
20081231 10:26:04< boucman> hmm
20081231 10:26:23< boucman> and Rhuaven, but we havn't seem much of these two around here recently
20081231 10:26:48 * boucman thinks he will work on patch 1032 today, and want to have external expertise...
20081231 10:38:02< Rhonda> great. new wesnoth release and I don't have the diskspace to build it. ... again
20081231 10:38:51< Sirp_> Rhonda: seriously how little diskspace do you have, not even to have space for Wesnoth?
20081231 10:41:32< Ivanovic> moin
20081231 10:41:49< boucman> zookeeper: could you give me some clues about bug 12640
20081231 10:41:54< boucman> wesbot: bug 12640
20081231 10:41:55< wesbot> boucman: Are you sure with that number?  Please check again...
20081231 10:42:06< boucman> wesbot bug #12640
20081231 10:42:06< wesbot> boucman: Are you sure with that number?  Please check again...
20081231 10:42:17< boucman> yes I am
20081231 10:42:20< boucman> darn
20081231 10:42:28< boucman> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12640
20081231 10:42:30< boucman> :P
20081231 10:42:58< zookeeper> hmm
20081231 10:43:39< boucman> (best would probably a save where I can reproduce, but a simple way to hack the test scenarion would be good too
20081231 10:44:11< Ivanovic> wesbot: soon CIB0
20081231 10:44:15< Ivanovic> wesbot: soon CIB01
20081231 10:44:20< zookeeper> ok, i'll give you an easy test case
20081231 10:44:29< Ivanovic> wesbot: seen CIB01
20081231 10:44:29< wesbot> Ivanovic: The person with the nick cib01 last spoke 20h 7m ago.  15h 49m ago they left with the message: "Leaving."
20081231 10:44:32< boucman> thx a lot
20081231 10:44:34< Ivanovic> wesbot: seen CIB0
20081231 10:44:35< wesbot> Ivanovic: The person with the nick cib0 last spoke 1d 6h ago.  1d 4h ago they left with the message: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
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20081231 10:44:49< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20081231 10:45:10< mordante> morning
20081231 10:45:26< mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20081231 10:46:34< boucman> ok, afk 15'
20081231 10:48:56< zookeeper> boucman, just put these in the test scenario and then use them to teleport between the two tiles: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m17de0063
20081231 10:49:04< zookeeper> shows the bug quite clearly in trunk
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20081231 10:55:53< CIA-51> mordante * r31833 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/mp_connect.cpp: Fix a compiler warning.
20081231 10:59:04< boucman> that is weird indeed
20081231 11:05:28< mordante> Ivanovic did you see commit 31831? It would be nice to test the poolalloc with this change
20081231 11:07:07< Ivanovic> you think this one could magically fix the new memory allocator?
20081231 11:08:48< mordante> not sure but your crashes also happened from upload.cpp and not no idea what can go wrong when SDL_Net is not properly initialized
20081231 11:10:11< boucman> zookeeper: I got the bug, i'll add a "animate" key to the teleport action, while I'm at it...
20081231 11:10:40< zookeeper> ok
20081231 11:12:04< zookeeper> boucman, btw, how about a [second_unit] SUF to [animate_unit]? i found that i wanted to animate a unit hitting an adjacent unit, but i'd rather not want to figure out the direction of that unit in WML so i could change the attacker's unit.facing in order to make the animation target the adjacent unit.
20081231 11:13:02< boucman> zookeeper: I think you could add that as a comment to one of the FR currently assigned to me
20081231 11:13:11< boucman> 11570
20081231 11:15:24< zookeeper> ok
20081231 11:17:13< Rhonda> Sirp: 36G partition, with 15G of music  *hides*
20081231 11:18:22< boucman> burn, burn burn
20081231 11:18:33< boucman> (all that music to DVD, I mean :P )
20081231 11:18:54< mordante> external HDD works much easier ;-)
20081231 11:19:05< boucman> and might be cheaper in the long run
20081231 11:19:42< mordante> yes I bought one recently and it was rather cheap (and larger as my HDD in my main system)
20081231 11:20:00< zookeeper> hmh, i was going to ask who needs 15G of music, but it looks i have over 18..
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20081231 11:20:08< mordante> :-)
20081231 11:21:58< zookeeper> then again, probably over half of that is something i've never listened to or even gotten on purpose
20081231 11:25:56< boucman> bug fixed, now to add the animate key...
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20081231 11:37:22< Rhonda> boucman: Erm, I have that music on CD but ripped it for not having to carry around. What would would be to now burn it to a dvd?
20081231 11:37:51< Rhonda> And external HDD is one more extra thing to carry around.
20081231 11:50:11< CIA-51> boucman * r31834 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: fix bug 12640 also add an 'animate' key to the teleport WML action (i didn't modify the corresponding macros)
20081231 11:52:10< CIA-51> boucman * r31835 /trunk/changelog: changelog update
20081231 11:52:24< boucman> zookeeper: if you want to modify the TELEPORT_UNIT to use the new key, go on (not sure if you want to)
20081231 11:58:29< zookeeper> yeah, i don't think i do
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20081231 12:09:48< loonycyborg> Rhonda: Just get another HDD. 300-500Gb HDDs are fairly cheap now :)
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20081231 12:12:04< Rhonda> loonycyborg: If they are so fairly cheap, send me one over as christmas present. I have an apple PowerBook G4, make sure it fits.
20081231 12:12:32< loonycyborg> Rhonda: :(
20081231 12:12:37< Rhonda> You will be included in my night prayers.
20081231 12:13:22 * loonycyborg is disappointed that laptops aren't as upgradable as desktops
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20081231 12:54:58< boucman> is anybody good at abilities ? (code side)
20081231 13:08:40< Turuk> question to the great and illustrious devs (cough cough)
20081231 13:08:51< Turuk> is the AI aware of player units under fog?
20081231 13:10:50< zookeeper> boucman, _o/ !
20081231 13:11:11< boucman> you mean you know the code side of abilities ???
20081231 13:11:16< boucman> that's wonderful
20081231 13:11:22< boucman> i though that knowledge was long lost
20081231 13:11:25< zookeeper> oh.
20081231 13:11:30< zookeeper> _that_ code side. no ;)
20081231 13:11:33< boucman> Turuk: yes
20081231 13:11:51< Turuk> thank you boucman
20081231 13:11:51< boucman> Turuk: implementing a fog-aware AI is horribly complicated
20081231 13:11:59< boucman> darn :P
20081231 13:12:10< mordante> boucman I think you know it soon :-P
20081231 13:12:20< Turuk> I thought as much, I am merely finding the answer for sure
20081231 13:12:45< loonycyborg> boucman: What's up with that 'dfool_ai'?
20081231 13:12:54< loonycyborg> Does it actually work?
20081231 13:12:55< boucman> ask darthfool
20081231 13:13:06< boucman> afaik it hasn't moved for a long time
20081231 13:13:10< mordante> ah yes I wanted to pm df about it as well, but forgot it :-/
20081231 13:13:19< loonycyborg> AFAIK he has retired :)
20081231 13:13:22< mordante> he officially retired 
20081231 13:13:23< zookeeper> err, probably perfectly safe to remove
20081231 13:13:45 * zookeeper still hopes the sample ai's will be disabled from the ai menu for 1.6
20081231 13:14:17 * boucman still hopes dragonking will give us some little improvements through FAI and we can make FAI the default
20081231 13:24:07< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: 1.5.7 windows installer is uploaded.
20081231 13:27:35 * boucman starts to begin to see the lead of a small light in the ability code
20081231 13:28:11 * Turuk leans out from the cab of his steam engine, and sees a man look up at his engine light from the tracks.
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20081231 13:33:26< ESR_> Fun news of the day: Terry Pratchett has been knighted
20081231 13:33:44< mordante> yes I read it :-)
20081231 13:34:18< ESR_> I am saving up some Vimes jokes for the next time I see him FTF.
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20081231 13:51:46< boucman> Shadow_Master: ping
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20081231 14:00:09< Rrenys> can a custom theme use a different set of ToD images?
20081231 14:00:36< boucman> I think so 
20081231 14:00:52< boucman> I know you can change ToD images through WML, bu ti'm not sure its linked to  theme
20081231 14:01:00< boucman> I think it's linked to the map
20081231 14:02:14< Rrenys> hmhm
20081231 14:02:54< Rrenys> so, no?
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20081231 14:23:19< mordante> Ivanovic do you know how the git tarball on the server is named and whether there's a md5 sum there as well? seems my bookmark only has the path :-(
20081231 14:23:56< zookeeper> Rrenys, no, they're not linked to theme
20081231 14:25:59< Rrenys> ok
20081231 14:26:13< Espreon> shikadibot: seen kitty?
20081231 14:26:14< shikadibot> Espreon: Sorry, I don't know anything about kitty
20081231 14:26:17< Espreon> shikadibot: seen kitty_?
20081231 14:26:17< shikadibot> Espreon: kitty_ quit IRC with no reason 15h 37s ago.
20081231 14:26:22< Espreon> :(
20081231 14:28:14< boucman> Shadow_Master: still not around ?
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20081231 14:29:20< Espreon> boucman: Shadow_Master is busy with his plans for destruction of the Milky Way.
20081231 14:29:28< Espreon> ;)
20081231 14:29:34< boucman> darn can't that wait ?
20081231 14:29:45< Espreon> No.
20081231 14:29:52< CIA-52> boucman * r31837 /trunk/src/ (actions.cpp unit_display.cpp): all units with leadership abilities will be animated instead of only the one giving the biggest bonus, fix bug 11559, but I'd like confirmation from shadow master
20081231 14:29:53< Espreon> Complain to shikadibot.
20081231 14:30:59< Turuk> shadow_master was having computer issues
20081231 14:31:19< Espreon> Turuk: That is what he wants you people to think.
20081231 14:31:22< Espreon> ;)
20081231 14:31:37< Turuk> haha well he was telling me about it yesterday when it was just him and me
20081231 14:31:43< Turuk> so he's carrying the charade pretty far ;)
20081231 14:31:49< Espreon> Indeed.
20081231 14:32:23< Espreon> Turuk: ShikadiLord should arrive soon to tell us the rest of the plan. ;)
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20081231 14:43:55< boucman> Noyga: about bug 11560
20081231 14:44:00< boucman> I might be able to do it now
20081231 14:44:04< boucman> at least for def
20081231 14:44:16< boucman> abilities have to be added one by one, but res is the next one
20081231 14:44:20< Noyga> wesbot, bug 11560
20081231 14:44:21< wesbot> Bug #11560  Assigned to: Jérémy Rosen <boucman>  Status: None  Priority: 1 - Later
20081231 14:44:24< wesbot> Summary: Provide a way to play a special animation when an ability is triggered (generalization of leadership/healing animations)
20081231 14:44:27< wesbot> Original submission: It could be nice to provide a mechanism to trigger an spe
20081231 14:44:30< wesbot> cial animation when an ability is trigerred.
20081231 14:44:33< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?11560
20081231 14:44:51< Noyga> nice :)
20081231 14:47:15< boucman> could you test once I'm done ?
20081231 14:55:39< Noyga> ok
20081231 14:55:46< boucman> yay
20081231 14:55:51 * boucman is really bad at wml
20081231 14:56:05 * Turuk knows the feeling.
20081231 14:56:14< Noyga> trough lately i've been a lot more familiar with my gf rather than wesnoth ;)
20081231 14:56:55< boucman> :)
20081231 14:57:10< boucman> I'll remind you to get some chocolates when we're in brussel
20081231 14:58:02< Noyga> :)
20081231 14:58:34< Espreon> boucman: It is OK that you are bad at WML; we have zookeeper to handle that.
20081231 14:58:56< boucman> Espreon: it's pretty annoying when testing stuff
20081231 14:59:02< Espreon> Yeah, that is true.
20081231 15:00:42< boucman> Noyga: commited, 
20081231 15:00:46< CIA-52> boucman * r31838 /trunk/ (changelog src/unit_animation.cpp src/unit_display.cpp): add animations to resistance abilities use a [resistance_anim] block
20081231 15:01:37< Noyga> ok, compiling...
20081231 15:03:39< Ivanovic> re
20081231 15:03:44< Ivanovic> so still nothing from CIB?
20081231 15:03:57< ilor_> ok guys see you next year ;)
20081231 15:04:01< ilor_> bye
20081231 15:04:02< Ivanovic> cu ilor_
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20081231 15:29:04< mordante> Ivanovic do you know how the git tarball on the server is named and whether there's a md5 sum there as well? seems my bookmark only has the path :-(
20081231 15:29:59< Ivanovic> mordante: no idea
20081231 15:30:07< Ivanovic> ask soliton about this stuff
20081231 15:30:16< Espreon> mordante: I think it is wesnoth-git.tar.gz
20081231 15:30:40< Ivanovic> Espreon: have you not been working on improving some of the maps used in story screens?
20081231 15:30:56< Ivanovic> Espreon: it would be great if you could redo the map that is used in TSG
20081231 15:31:19< mordante> Ivanovic solition is not here and most of the time you seem to know these things as well ;-)
20081231 15:31:30< Ivanovic> talking about this monster: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/images/story/bigmap.jpg?rev=26045&view=markup
20081231 15:31:33< Espreon> Ivanovic: I have been improving the maps, so I guess I will look at TSG's.. after I update my copy of KDE 4.2.
20081231 15:32:01< mordante> Espreon thanks, but it's not the right name
20081231 15:32:22< Espreon> I knew that it began with wesnoth-git...
20081231 15:33:15< Espreon> Ivanovic: Hmmm... I will see what I can do.
20081231 15:33:32< Espreon> I will be gone for a few mins.
20081231 15:33:36< Ivanovic> wesnoth-git.tar.bz2
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20081231 15:33:47< mordante> thanks Ivanovic 
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20081231 15:33:56< Ivanovic> and there is no md5sum of it atm
20081231 15:34:21< mordante> then I just hope it won't update halfway through
20081231 15:34:24< Ivanovic> and the tarball is rather old right now
20081231 15:34:32< Ivanovic> it was last updated on 2008-11-14
20081231 15:35:01< Ivanovic> creating an md5sum of it now
20081231 15:35:08< Ivanovic> wesnoth-git.tar.bz2.md5
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20081231 15:37:13 * Ivanovic retries summoning CIB0
20081231 15:37:23< Ivanovic> or does anyone of you know for sure that he is at least 18?
20081231 15:38:05< mordante> I've no idea how old he is
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20081231 15:38:15< Ivanovic> mordante: and in current svn head the game still aborts with the new memory allocator
20081231 15:38:22< mordante> :-(
20081231 15:39:01< Ivanovic> in general i suspect that CIB0 is still rather young since he still goes to school
20081231 15:39:13< Ivanovic> i would just like to be sure that he is >=18 (at the beginning of febuary)
20081231 15:39:41< Dragonking> Since I won't be here around midnight, I wish now everyone here happy new year :)  With much much love/health/success/cash etc, and less less bugs ;p
20081231 15:39:53< Ivanovic> :)
20081231 15:39:59< Ivanovic> happy new year Dragonking
20081231 15:40:00< mordante> :-)
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20081231 15:42:35< Rhonda> Sirp: I need ~2.2G free disk space to build wesnoth. That's the deal. :)
20081231 15:43:21< Dragonking> :)
20081231 15:43:30< Dragonking> Thanks Ivanovic 
20081231 15:43:49< Rhonda> Oh, is Dragonking "over there"?
20081231 15:44:02< Dragonking> Over where? ;p
20081231 15:52:58< Rhonda> In the zone that started with the new year.
20081231 15:53:17< Rhonda> W: wesnoth-tools: embedded-javascript-library usr/share/games/wesnoth/data/tools/addon_manager/jquery.js
20081231 15:53:22< Rhonda> *scratcheshead*
20081231 15:54:11< Rhonda> Is that a plain copy of jquery? Or is it tweaked?
20081231 15:54:48< Rhonda> That is, can/am I allowed to rip it off the binary package and symlink to the according package we have in Debian, or isn't that a good idea?
20081231 15:56:35< Rhonda> Turuk: nosy
20081231 15:56:50< Turuk> hmm? me?
20081231 15:57:11< Rhonda> Yes.
20081231 15:57:17< Turuk> what do you mean?
20081231 15:57:17< Rhonda> ctcp time
20081231 15:57:29< Rhonda> You can ask me if you want to know
20081231 15:57:53< Turuk> I am completely lost right now
20081231 15:58:09< Rhonda> Turuk [n=JDiSab@pool-71-242-162-195.phlapa.east.verizon.net] requested CTCP TIME from Rhonda
20081231 15:58:31< Turuk> oh I don't think that's me
20081231 15:58:39< Rhonda> Yes, that's exactly you.
20081231 15:58:51< Turuk> no no
20081231 15:58:58< Turuk> like not personally me, I think my chat client does that
20081231 15:59:10< Rhonda> Not with you requesting it from it.
20081231 15:59:15< Rhonda> erm, without
20081231 15:59:15< Turuk> hmm
20081231 15:59:24< Turuk> then I apologize for being nosy
20081231 15:59:28< Rhonda> :)
20081231 15:59:43< Turuk> sometimes I do things I do not intend :)
20081231 16:01:02< Dragonking> Rhonda: No... I'm not in the "New Year Zone" :)
20081231 16:01:45< Dragonking> Rhonda: Just wishing you best since i won't have chance later on (I'm going to celebrate New year with my girlfriend ) :)
20081231 16:01:45< Rhonda> I think I won't upload wesnoth now without having checked for jquery ...
20081231 16:03:31< mordante> seems elias added it on the 12th of october 
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20081231 16:04:00< mordante> hi cib0, Ivanovic  is looking for you
20081231 16:04:21< cib0> hi mordante, yes, wesbot told me already
20081231 16:04:33 * cib0 summons Ivanovic
20081231 16:04:52< mordante> he wants to know how old you are
20081231 16:05:07 * Ivanovic is around
20081231 16:05:11< mordante> for CHAB you need to be at least 18
20081231 16:05:15< cib0> Ivanovic: I'm 18
20081231 16:05:21< Ivanovic> perfect!
20081231 16:05:25< Ivanovic> filling out the form now
20081231 16:05:33< Ivanovic> cib0: i assume you are with us at chab, too?
20081231 16:06:43< cib0> er.. sorry, i don't know what "chab" is o.o
20081231 16:06:50< Ivanovic> a different hostel
20081231 16:07:00< Ivanovic> since bruegel (as i already mailed you) is booked out
20081231 16:07:03< cib0> ah, i see
20081231 16:07:14< Ivanovic> http://www.chab.be/
20081231 16:07:22< cib0> i should sure check out my mail more often
20081231 16:07:37< Ivanovic> this one is about 1km from the town center, so quite doable by foot
20081231 16:08:01< Ivanovic> and the tram that goes to the university where fosdem is is not far away (probably 100m)
20081231 16:08:04< Rhonda> I fear I won't make it this year.
20081231 16:08:10< Rhonda> ... but I guess I said that already.
20081231 16:08:18< Ivanovic> yeah, you said so already
20081231 16:08:47< Ivanovic> Rhonda: what is the status of the debian binary?
20081231 16:08:58< Rhonda> read up :)
20081231 16:09:32< Rhonda> Wondering about the jquery.js file, wether it might be adjusted or can get symlinked to the one available in Debian already
20081231 16:09:34< cib0> Ivanovic: yes, i will join you at chab
20081231 16:09:39< Rhonda> ... to not have it as embedded code copy.
20081231 16:09:41< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: It can't be made because fscking laptops are unupgradable :)
20081231 16:09:56< Rhonda> Especially, I am missing copyright informations for it, at least.
20081231 16:10:30< Rhonda> The file itself doesn't contain any.
20081231 16:10:54< Rhonda> So it could be considered that the wesnoth team claims copyright on it, which I rather doubt.
20081231 16:11:24< Ivanovic> ahh, the joy of apple laptops
20081231 16:11:28< Rhonda> ... and I can't upload from here anyway.
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20081231 16:11:42< Ivanovic> at the least in the PPC era they were, uhm, challenging to upgrade
20081231 16:11:48< Espreon> Hello kitty_. :)
20081231 16:11:56< Rhonda> Were they?
20081231 16:11:58< Ivanovic> hi kitty_
20081231 16:12:10< kitty_> hey all
20081231 16:12:13< Ivanovic> Rhonda: i remember that upgrading my ibook myself would have been hell
20081231 16:12:14< Rhonda> I did insert the 10.5 DVD, waited several hours, and the upgrade went fine?
20081231 16:12:20< mordante> hi kitty_ 
20081231 16:12:26< Ivanovic> since they were clipped, so replacing the hdd was problematic
20081231 16:12:30< kitty_> esperon - did you get the pm regarding ur-thorodor?
20081231 16:12:42< Rhonda> Ah, hardware upgrade. I thought you mean software.
20081231 16:12:52< Ivanovic> nah, hardware is what matters to me
20081231 16:12:54< Ivanovic> ;)
20081231 16:13:02< Rhonda> But that's not too much different with lots of other laptop vendors.
20081231 16:14:20< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Ah, not that far up reading.
20081231 16:15:14< Rhonda> I have the binaries ready to upload. I though would want to build it again because of the need to mention jquery.js in the copyright file at least, but rather would want to depend on the jquery package from Debian and symlink only to not have it as embedded code copy.
20081231 16:15:21< Ivanovic> hmm, on my lenovo thinkpad x60 changing basically anything is dead simple...
20081231 16:15:37< Rhonda> But for that I would need to know wether it was adopted, or if it's just the same library.
20081231 16:15:38< Ivanovic> Rhonda: where is this jquery.js from?
20081231 16:15:43< Ivanovic> is it part of wesnoth?
20081231 16:15:50< Rhonda> usr/share/games/wesnoth/data/tools/addon_manager/jquery.js
20081231 16:15:58< mordante> Ivanovic seems elias added it on the 12th of october 
20081231 16:16:43< Rhonda> It might well be that it already was part of 1.5.6, I just noticed the message now, not before.
20081231 16:17:13< Ivanovic> uhm, i have never noticed that there was such a file...
20081231 16:18:20< Rhonda> There is also tablesorter.js, no idea wether that is also something third-party pulled in.
20081231 16:18:27< Rhonda> It might well be.
20081231 16:19:53< Rhonda> You might want to check with elias just to be on the safe side and sure it's alright to have it embedded.
20081231 16:21:02< Rhonda> jquery itself is safe, it's GPLv2 or MIT, whatever one finds suitable. No idea about tablesorter
20081231 16:21:04< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, cib0, Dragonking, ilor_, mordante, Noyga: okay, sent a reservation request to CHAB (that is filled out the pdf form and sent it to them)
20081231 16:21:10< Ivanovic> i hope that they got the space left...
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20081231 16:21:28< Noyga> thx
20081231 16:21:47< Rhonda> But tablesorter seems to be part of jquery somehow, at least from grepping through the contents file of the archive.
20081231 16:21:51< mordante> I hope so too and let's see whether you're too early or not
20081231 16:22:32< cib0> Ivanovic: when will we have to do the paying?
20081231 16:23:13< Ivanovic> when checking in
20081231 16:23:34< Ivanovic> that is: i (or whoever is there first) will have to pay then for all beds and both nights
20081231 16:24:29< Rhonda> Please try to find out where tablesorter comes from ...
20081231 16:24:46< Ivanovic> Rhonda: could you just write elias a mail?
20081231 16:24:55< Rhonda> What's the address?
20081231 16:25:17< Rhonda> I'm rather on the jump and will delay the upload until I know what to put into the copyright file about it.
20081231 16:25:44< Rhonda> Does elias@wesnoth.org work?
20081231 16:26:06< mordante> did you add the aliases?
20081231 16:26:23< cib0> Ivanovic: it's a good thing members of the Wesnoth community are so trustworthy =)
20081231 16:26:24< Ivanovic> allefant AT gmail (.com)
20081231 16:26:43< Ivanovic> Rhonda: so far we got no mail aliases setup
20081231 16:26:49< Ivanovic> though this is a request we got for you
20081231 16:26:52< Rhonda> mordante: I don't have access to mail.jexiste.org, so how could I?
20081231 16:26:59< Ivanovic> provide mail aliases for all wesnoth devs
20081231 16:27:10< Ivanovic> Rhonda: i can point the dns entry to our box
20081231 16:27:15< Rhonda> Give me the list of forward addresses and consider it done.
20081231 16:28:00< Ivanovic> okay, let me first change the mx entry
20081231 16:28:11< Rhonda> erm
20081231 16:28:21< mordante> Rhonda then you can't
20081231 16:28:24< Rhonda> Not the other way round? Not sure if there isn't a mailbox there already?
20081231 16:28:35< Rhonda> But at the moment I'm really off.
20081231 16:28:39< Ivanovic> there is some mailbox, but noone is using it (just gathering spam)
20081231 16:28:44< Ivanovic> and the update will take a while, too
20081231 16:28:56< Rhonda> So the mail to elias will be delayed until friday if I have to write it ...
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20081231 16:30:42< Ivanovic> okay, changed the IP
20081231 16:30:50< Ivanovic> Rhonda: i will ping him if he joins IRC
20081231 16:31:11< kitty_> zookeeper: spaceinvader finally pm'ed that he is fine with swapping inarix' and generic skirmisher's portraits. are you the one who takes care of such stuf or whom should i bother with that?
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20081231 16:37:15< zookeeper> kitty_, yeah, i can do that
20081231 16:37:38< kitty_> great - thanks!
20081231 16:38:54< boucman> Shadow_Master: still not around ?
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20081231 16:51:30< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: what revision is 1.5.7? the internet came back early :)
20081231 16:51:54< crimson_penguin> (we'll see if uploading works though... but at least I can MAKE the build, and if nothing else, get my brother to upload it at work tomorrow or something)
20081231 16:52:02< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: You'd better  checkout appropriate tag.
20081231 16:52:06< Ivanovic> SHIT
20081231 16:52:18< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, cib0, Dragonking, ilor_, mordante, Noyga: chab is booked out, too
20081231 16:52:25< boucman> :(
20081231 16:52:27< boucman> darn
20081231 16:52:30< mordante> :-(
20081231 16:52:47< crimson_penguin> loonycyborg: oh? like -r1.5.7 or something?
20081231 16:52:54< mordante> so much for maximum reservation of one month ahead :-/
20081231 16:53:13< boucman> ok, any other hotel on the list ?
20081231 16:53:18< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: http://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/tags/1.5.7
20081231 16:54:03< loonycyborg> And svn switch it for next release.
20081231 16:54:40< crimson_penguin> I can't just svn up to 31838 ?
20081231 16:55:15< mordante> yes that should also work
20081231 16:55:26< crimson_penguin> that seems easier
20081231 16:55:27< mordante> at least if it's the right number ;-)
20081231 16:55:42< crimson_penguin> well, it says: Revision 31838: /tags/1.5.7
20081231 16:55:43< loonycyborg> But determining which revision it is each time is PITA.
20081231 16:55:51< CIA-52> esr * r31839 /trunk/data/core/macros/deprecated-utils.cfg: Remove old deprecated macros.
20081231 16:56:06< crimson_penguin> loonycyborg: Is it not faster to update though?
20081231 16:56:38< loonycyborg> AFAIK no.
20081231 16:57:12< loonycyborg> svn switch should be as fast as svn update to the revision.
20081231 16:57:32< crimson_penguin> I think I wouldn't be able to switch to being authenticated though, without a full re-download
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20081231 16:57:43< crimson_penguin> at least, I wasn't able to with Google Code
20081231 16:58:12< loonycyborg> For that you'll need switch --relocate.
20081231 16:58:27< crimson_penguin> Oh, hmm
20081231 17:00:07< crimson_penguin> What does " U" and "UU" mean?
20081231 17:00:26< mordante> U updated file _U updated properties
20081231 17:00:51< crimson_penguin> ahh, ok
20081231 17:01:10< mordante> Ivanovic it seems Sleep Well has rooms left (also not much) but is more expensive
20081231 17:01:13 * crimson_penguin wonders what's taking so long to download
20081231 17:01:24< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, cib0, Dragonking, ilor_, mordante, Noyga: i checked all other hostels listed at the accomodations page
20081231 17:01:35< Ivanovic> and only 2go4 seems to have beds left
20081231 17:01:36< boucman> and all are full ,
20081231 17:01:37< boucman> ?
20081231 17:01:57< Ivanovic> *but* they state that only up to 6 persons are allowed to book together, no group bookings
20081231 17:02:10< Ivanovic> We do not accept large group (> 6 people) bookings even if the bookings come from different persons with the intention to form a group in the hostel. We have the right to cancel large group bookings. - Any deposit paid for large group bookings cannot be claimed back
20081231 17:02:45< mordante> and how do we call all who visit the FOSDEM?
20081231 17:02:59< Ivanovic> mordante: uhm, we just have two bookings
20081231 17:03:08< Ivanovic> and are lucky that we somehow meet
20081231 17:03:09< Ivanovic> ;)
20081231 17:03:21< mordante> yes but I assume there are more people from the FOSDEM ;-)
20081231 17:03:43< Ivanovic> that might be
20081231 17:03:44< Ivanovic> ;)
20081231 17:03:52< mordante> besides so we have the intention to form a group ;-P
20081231 17:04:03< kitty_> bye and a happy new year everyone!
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20081231 17:05:05< Ivanovic> AI0867, boucman, cib0, Dragonking, ilor_, mordante, Noyga: so shall i try to book for the first part of our "not existing group" at http://www.2go4.be ?
20081231 17:05:29< Dragonking> If that's only option, then sure
20081231 17:05:30< Ivanovic> rates are 23€ in the 8 to 10 bed rooms
20081231 17:05:39< Ivanovic> or 20€ in the 14 bed roomd
20081231 17:05:51< Dragonking> I can live with that :)
20081231 17:05:51< Ivanovic> 25 for the "4 to 6" bed rooms
20081231 17:06:09< Dragonking> Anyway, I need to leave now, so good bye
20081231 17:06:10< Ivanovic> mordante: how will we split up? they do require a credit card
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20081231 17:06:50< cib0> credit card, eek.. i don't have one of those
20081231 17:06:50< mordante> not sure who all have a credit card
20081231 17:06:56< Ivanovic> cib0: i got one
20081231 17:07:04< Ivanovic> but we need at least someone else booking there, too
20081231 17:07:06< Ivanovic> boucman: around?
20081231 17:07:12< Ivanovic> boucman: will you book for yourself and Noyga?
20081231 17:07:42< Ivanovic> then i will book for AI0867, cib0, dragonking, ilor_, mordante and me
20081231 17:08:24< Ivanovic> though wait
20081231 17:08:32< Ivanovic> lets split things up into two private four bed rooms
20081231 17:08:47< Ivanovic> ups, no
20081231 17:08:55 * Ivanovic is bad at calculating today...
20081231 17:10:24< Ivanovic> okay, there is no breakfast included, but i think we will survive this, won't we?
20081231 17:10:58< mordante> there's free coffee
20081231 17:12:40< Ivanovic> okay, to make things explicit: we are not allowed to do a group booking there and we won't form a group there
20081231 17:12:57< Ivanovic> so i will book for me and 5 others and currently consider 2go4.be
20081231 17:13:11< Ivanovic> boucman, Noyga: one of you two around?
20081231 17:13:15< Ivanovic> or mordante?
20081231 17:13:23< Ivanovic> so two others won't be on this booking
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20081231 17:16:51< boucman> Ivanovic: back
20081231 17:16:54< Ivanovic> good
20081231 17:16:59< Kest> hello
20081231 17:17:00< Ivanovic> boucman: you read about the problems?
20081231 17:17:06< boucman> yes
20081231 17:17:11< Ivanovic> looks like no hostel has the amount of beds
20081231 17:17:17< Ivanovic> beside 2go4.be
20081231 17:17:31< Ivanovic> there group bookings are not allowed, so i can only book for 6
20081231 17:17:52< boucman> ok, I'll book for Noyga and I (if he's fine with that
20081231 17:17:56< boucman> Noyga: around ?
20081231 17:18:04< Ivanovic> boucman: so can i leave you and Noyga to yourself in the hope that you find a bed without the intention of you two and us forming a group at 2go4.be?
20081231 17:18:06< Ivanovic> ;)
20081231 17:18:08< boucman> si 2go6.be their website ,
20081231 17:18:19< boucman> yeah sure
20081231 17:18:23< Ivanovic> we will try to get something at http://www.2go4.be/
20081231 17:18:24< Noyga> funny i was just comming back in the pc room
20081231 17:18:36< Noyga> ok boucman 
20081231 17:21:16< Ivanovic> AI0867, cib0, Dragonking, ilor_, mordante: okay, I booked for you five and me a bed (for each ;) ) at http://www.2go4.be
20081231 17:21:48< Ivanovic> that is i booked in a "8 to 10 beds" room
20081231 17:21:56< Ivanovic> and it will be 23€ per night and bed
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20081231 17:27:09< Ivanovic> okay, writing a mail to our ml about this
20081231 17:27:25< Ivanovic> and explicitly pointing out that two of us will have to find a place themselves
20081231 17:27:38< Ivanovic> (so that we can point those dudes at the hostel to it, if they make any problems)
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20081231 17:28:19< boucman> Ivanovic: arrival feb 6, 2 nights 2 bed
20081231 17:28:24< boucman> that's right ?
20081231 17:28:40< Ivanovic> jupp
20081231 17:29:11< boucman> what category did you take (so we might have the same room
20081231 17:30:15< Ivanovic> the 23€ category
20081231 17:30:22< boucman> k, taking the same...
20081231 17:32:43< boucman> Noyga, Ivanovic : done
20081231 17:33:03< Ivanovic> okay, updated the wiki
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20081231 17:37:43< boucman> Ivanovic: did you get confirmation email immediately or did it take some time ?
20081231 17:40:10< mordante> thanks Ivanovic 
20081231 17:40:49< mordante> now we only need to hope they won't put us with boucman and Noyga in one room ;-)
20081231 17:45:09< Ivanovic> and it looks like we can chose if we take the bus or the tram
20081231 17:45:20< Ivanovic> both are not too far away from the hostel
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20081231 17:52:52< boucman> Ivanovic: did you receive a confirmation when you booked ?
20081231 17:52:58< Ivanovic> yes
20081231 17:53:01< boucman> darn
20081231 17:53:06< Ivanovic> just about 5mins later i got the confirmation mail
20081231 17:53:06< boucman> I didn't receive anything
20081231 17:53:23< Ivanovic> "Booking confirmation from GOMIO.COM"
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20081231 17:53:28< boucman> i'll say he went out for new year eve and I'll have the confirmation later...
20081231 17:53:39< Ivanovic> mine looks like an automatic answer
20081231 17:54:04< Ivanovic> that is: i used this online booking system to be sure that we got the beds
20081231 17:54:04< boucman> darn
20081231 18:00:08-!- ^Noyga^ is now known as Noyga
20081231 18:01:45< crimson_penguin> oh yeah, maybe I could add Python support to 1.5.7, since I did it for 1.4
20081231 18:02:57< Ivanovic> :)
20081231 18:03:25< boucman> Ivanovic: haha
20081231 18:03:28< boucman> got it :)
20081231 18:03:30< Ivanovic> good
20081231 18:03:38< boucman> no to go  hunt for the last new year eve food I'm missing
20081231 18:03:46< Ivanovic> :)
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20081231 18:32:41< Shadow_Master> boucman: hi
20081231 18:32:48< Shadow_Master> now I AM
20081231 18:32:53< Shadow_Master> *am
20081231 18:32:59< boucman> Shadow_Master: could you test the feature i implemented today ?
20081231 18:33:05< Shadow_Master> let me rebase
20081231 18:33:20< boucman> leading anim should be triggered by all leading anims, not just the vanilla ones
20081231 18:33:28< Shadow_Master> um?
20081231 18:33:59< Shadow_Master> what is a "vanilla leading anim" nd what are "other leading anims"? AFAIK there is only [leading_anim]
20081231 18:34:41< boucman> right now, leading_anim was triggered only for the unit giving the biggest bonus
20081231 18:34:51< boucman> so malus (terror ability) would not trigger
20081231 18:34:59< Shadow_Master> had no idea about that
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20081231 18:35:34< Shadow_Master> recompiling (optimized -O3, will take some time)
20081231 18:35:57< Shadow_Master> Turuk: I no longer have problems unless I am using this broken laptop
20081231 18:36:08< Turuk> ah, ok
20081231 18:36:08< Shadow_Master> Turuk: I solved most of my mlinux issues with the other one
20081231 18:36:19< Turuk> good, I know that was bugging you quite a bit
20081231 18:36:20< Shadow_Master> the kernel 2.6.28 was the solution :)
20081231 18:36:22< zookeeper> ah, these recoloured elf sprites really make UtBS look much better IMO.
20081231 18:36:30< boucman> well... you're the one that opened the original bug :P
20081231 18:36:44< zookeeper> it actually looks like...wesnoth, instead of "old wesnoth" now.
20081231 18:36:45< boucman> Shadow_Master: did the network transfer work ?
20081231 18:37:17< Shadow_Master> boucman: my memory isn't working well. I often get page faults while trying to remember stuff that occurred more than one year ago ;)
20081231 18:37:31< Shadow_Master> and for the transfer, I need a cable since I do not have any good wifi at home
20081231 18:37:50< boucman> k
20081231 18:37:58< Shadow_Master> and establishing an ad-hoc with ndiswrapper definitively doesn't work
20081231 18:40:24< Shadow_Master> *snf* I couldnt be on the Internet last year. I didn't know it was this fun ;.;
20081231 18:40:36< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: Just plug an ethernet cable between them and assign private IP addresses.
20081231 18:40:38< Shadow_Master> boucman: steps to reproduce?
20081231 18:40:52< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg:  I said "i need a cable". I do not own one (yet)
20081231 18:41:01< Shadow_Master> I'll go on an errand past tomorrow
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20081231 18:41:35< Shadow_Master> for now I'll stay at home and make sure I do not get struck by some person driving under the effects of alcohol
20081231 18:42:03< boucman> Shadow_Master: not sure
20081231 18:42:22< boucman> you're the one that have units with the fear ability in your era, don't you ?
20081231 18:42:39< Shadow_Master> campaign. Noyga is the one who created the abilit for his era
20081231 18:42:49< Shadow_Master> but... to what team should each unit pertain?
20081231 18:42:54< boucman> m'kay
20081231 18:42:59< boucman> what do you mean ?
20081231 18:43:41< Shadow_Master> um, the idea is that your fixed the leading_anim of a unit with Terror ability not working if it was affecting a unit that was under leadership?
20081231 18:44:13< boucman> yes, that's it
20081231 18:46:18< Shadow_Master> the terror'ing unit should be mine, and the affected unit and his leadership'ing companion from other side, right?
20081231 18:46:22< Shadow_Master> *team
20081231 18:46:36< boucman> would make sense, unless terror is a negative ability
20081231 18:46:51< Shadow_Master> terror is a negative ability!
20081231 18:46:58< Shadow_Master> it makes enemy units cause less damage
20081231 18:47:50< boucman> I meand negative as in "has a bad effect on your own units"
20081231 18:48:28< Shadow_Master> ah, no.
20081231 18:49:53< Shadow_Master> umit works
20081231 18:51:52< Shadow_Master> although I had to hack a noticeable leading anim for the terroifying unit to nitce it, since right now it was just an animation of start_time=0 duration=0
20081231 18:51:59< Shadow_Master> *notice
20081231 18:52:07< Shadow_Master> so um, yeah, it works.
20081231 18:52:12< boucman> yay
20081231 18:52:24< crimson_penguin> yay, no linker warnings anymore!
20081231 18:52:33< Shadow_Master> wtf.
20081231 18:52:34< Shadow_Master> 20081231 14:47:40 error config: Could not open file data/CROSS_WHITE_CENTERED
20081231 18:52:37< crimson_penguin> (Boost .a files were generating 416 of them)
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20081231 18:52:38< Shadow_Master> I am getting spammed with this
20081231 18:52:49< Shadow_Master> zookeeper, ESR_ : did you touch the core data files?
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20081231 18:53:10 * zookeeper knows nothing
20081231 18:53:37< ESR_> Shadow_Master: Not recently.
20081231 18:53:43< Shadow_Master> ESR_: I suspect you removed another thing that worked well for me but you didn't want because of that trackplacer thing?
20081231 18:53:58< Shadow_Master> boucman: I'll do another check though
20081231 18:54:16< ESR_> I don't know what you might be referring to.  What "thing"?
20081231 18:54:18< Shadow_Master> ESR_: I cannot find the DOT_CENTERED definition in /data/core/macros
20081231 18:54:45< Ivanovic> re
20081231 18:55:03< ESR_> Shadow_Master: Oh, right.  I just removed that today, it was deprected two releases ago.
20081231 18:55:12< Shadow_Master> ESR_: :|
20081231 18:55:18< Shadow_Master> ESR_: why it didn't warn me!?
20081231 18:55:19< CIA-52> zookeeper * r31840 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/02_Across_the_Harsh_Sands.cfg: Allowed villages to rehydrate units.
20081231 18:55:27< Shadow_Master> ESR_: I never got any deprecation warnings!
20081231 18:56:06< ESR_> Hmmm...masybe the DEPRECATED_MACRO macro is not working.  Hold on while I look...
20081231 18:56:18< Shadow_Master> ah that
20081231 18:56:26< Shadow_Master> that uses Game Events
20081231 18:56:34< Shadow_Master> that's not available in stroy screen for obvious reasons
20081231 18:57:41< Shadow_Master> great. just great. :\
20081231 18:57:46< ESR_> Hm, I didn't realize that.  Do we need to invent another notification mechanism for DEPRECATE?
20081231 18:58:06< Shadow_Master> no, we need to make the WML tag related to that have a handler in intro.cpp
20081231 18:58:10< Shadow_Master> I can do that if you want.
20081231 18:58:19< ESR_> Please do.
20081231 18:58:40< Shadow_Master> I'll get the macros back with git and copy them to my add-on...
20081231 18:58:58< ESR_> And yes, you're right, this is part of the changes around trackplacer.
20081231 18:59:03< Shadow_Master> boucman: the problem is fixed.
20081231 18:59:18< boucman> yay again :)
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20081231 18:59:55< Shadow_Master> ESR_: I admit I am not really interested in using trackplacer since I a) don't have proper images for tacking advantage of it and b) I'd prefer it to be a C Program
20081231 18:59:58< Shadow_Master> :p
20081231 19:00:06< ESR_> I wanted to move us from presentation-level to semantic macros.
20081231 19:00:33< ESR_> I don't understand (a).  It should work with any map.
20081231 19:00:54< Shadow_Master> ESR_: a) does not motivate me to do any changes to IftU's story maps
20081231 19:01:00< Shadow_Master> *story maps' WML
20081231 19:01:02< ESR_> Would you like me to trackplaceruoze IftU?  It's not hard to do.
20081231 19:01:15< Shadow_Master> I'd not object to that :)
20081231 19:01:17< ESR_> s/trackplaceruoze/trackplacerize/
20081231 19:02:19< ESR_> I'll add it to my TODO list, which fortunately for you isn't too long ATM.  I want to do another dialog pass on IftU anyway.
20081231 19:02:22< Shadow_Master> boucman: but TBH I had no idea that bug existed.
20081231 19:02:47< boucman> hehe
20081231 19:03:05< Shadow_Master> git diff HEAD^..HEAD :)
20081231 19:03:09< crimson_penguin> turns out that revision was past 1.5.7
20081231 19:03:35< Shadow_Master> eek? 1.5.7 released? darn
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20081231 19:03:52< crimson_penguin> indeed
20081231 19:03:55< Shadow_Master> that means I'll have to release the patches to make IftU work well with the new dialogs
20081231 19:03:57< ESR_> The advantages of going to a trackplacer-compatible journey.cfg file are (a) journey tracks become extremely easy to make and modify, and (b) all that stuff is isolated from your actual campaign WML in one file.
20081231 19:04:33< Shadow_Master> ESR_: I had done b) thanks to the awesome WML preprocessor... storymap.cfg.
20081231 19:04:59< Shadow_Master> but a) is indeed nice, and I did experiemtn a bit with it, but I think the trackplacerUI could be imporved a lot
20081231 19:05:05< Shadow_Master> typosaplenty, sorry
20081231 19:05:22< ESR_> Oh.  Yeah, there were two mainline campaigns, HttT and TROW, that were already partitioned like that.
20081231 19:05:50< ESR_> I'm open to UI sufggetions.
20081231 19:06:27< Shadow_Master> fdsfsI actually tried to hack some changes but I couldn't a) learn the usage of the pygtk library with ease and b) learn pythin 
20081231 19:07:27< crimson_penguin> now I've got 1.5.7, and I think I can just rebuild the sources; no translations changed, and the changelog shouldn't have changed (that is, the 1.5.7 part shouldn't have)
20081231 19:08:54< Ivanovic> uhm, yeah, correct
20081231 19:08:54< Shadow_Master> i'll make dperecate_message work in intro screens once I finish some WML hacks
20081231 19:09:53< Shadow_Master> okay, finished. I'll write a quick C++ Hack for this.
20081231 19:13:55< zookeeper> uh oh, dehydration bug.
20081231 19:16:59< CIA-52> zookeeper * r31841 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/02_Across_the_Harsh_Sands.cfg: Fixed rehydration screwing up attack stats of units that leveled up after getting dehydrated.
20081231 19:19:26< Shadow_Master> deprecated_message is the only WML tag for this, right?
20081231 19:20:41< Shadow_Master> ESR_: ^
20081231 19:20:59< ESR_> Shadow_Master: Yes.
20081231 19:23:25< Shadow_Master> okay, atwo mnitue hack solves it
20081231 19:23:29< Shadow_Master> *should
20081231 19:24:28< Shadow_Master> just in case, I'll assume derprecated_message may be found in [story] as well, not only in [part]
20081231 19:25:09< mordante> IIRC the deprecated messages should be remembered until in game
20081231 19:25:47< crimson_penguin> I tried to login to the server, and it seems to have crashed :-/
20081231 19:25:55< Shadow_Master> mordante: um, let's check that
20081231 19:26:52< Shadow_Master> although I'm fine if it just is spitted to stderr
20081231 19:27:44< Shadow_Master> mordante: yeah, the deprecation message anre hold in queue until the ingame interface and all WML events are finished
20081231 19:27:55< Shadow_Master> i.e. until the player can start moving stuff around
20081231 19:28:01< Shadow_Master> I hope ESR_  is fine with that?
20081231 19:28:21< ESR_> Not a problem.
20081231 19:28:30< crimson_penguin> it loads in gdb and says:
20081231 19:28:33< crimson_penguin> Cannot access memory at address 0xbfffc93c
20081231 19:28:33< crimson_penguin> Cannot access memory at address 0xbfffc93c
20081231 19:28:33< crimson_penguin> warning: Couldn't find minimal bounds for "_sigtramp" - backtraces may be unreliable
20081231 19:28:55< crimson_penguin> and the bt is useless
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20081231 19:29:30< mordante> crimson_penguin did you define DISABLE_POOLALLOC?
20081231 19:29:56< crimson_penguin> I didn't!
20081231 19:30:12< Shadow_Master> all the poolalloc/custom malloc code seems to assume the OS is POSIXly correct
20081231 19:30:15< CIA-52> shadowmaster * r31842 /trunk/src/intro.cpp: 
20081231 19:30:15< CIA-52> Per ESR's request, deprecation_message tags are scanned for in StoryWML now.
20081231 19:30:15< CIA-52> (I assume they may be found under [story] and [part], to be specific; no
20081231 19:30:15< CIA-52> scanning is done under [image] or other future tags.)
20081231 19:30:30< Shadow_Master> ESR_: ^ r31842. I only tested with foo, bar and baz.
20081231 19:30:43< Shadow_Master> feel free to test with the macros you removed.
20081231 19:30:49< Shadow_Master> ;)
20081231 19:31:35< mordante> Shadow_Master are they still shown on the screen after this change?
20081231 19:31:58< Shadow_Master> of course, you just have to wait for the ingame interface to appear and the prestart/start/turn 1 WML events to finish
20081231 19:32:13< crimson_penguin> mordante: I don't find that anywhere in the source - do I really just need to not compile poolalloc.c and malloc.c?
20081231 19:32:27< Shadow_Master> mordante: and get code that has [deprecated_message] in it
20081231 19:32:36< Shadow_Master> * story WML code
20081231 19:33:11< mordante> Shadow_Master but then the error is shown twice in the std::cerr
20081231 19:33:21< Shadow_Master> nope
20081231 19:33:32< Shadow_Master> I only get one foo, one bar, and one baz
20081231 19:33:38< mordante> crimson_penguin yes define the flag and don't compile pollalloc.c and malloc.c
20081231 19:33:52< Shadow_Master> the console-spitting is also hold until the ingame interface is available
20081231 19:33:55< crimson_penguin> mordante: but what checks for the flag?
20081231 19:34:05< mordante> only game.cpp
20081231 19:34:09< Shadow_Master> * put on hold
20081231 19:34:34< mordante> ok
20081231 19:34:59< Shadow_Master> mordante, boucman : idle animations seem to not respect layering
20081231 19:35:01< crimson_penguin> mordante: I don't see it; I even looked through all instances of "ifdef"
20081231 19:35:41< Shadow_Master> if I have an elvish fighter play his idle animation when he is on an elvish-style keep,well ,see for yourself! LoW 1 or IftU 1 ;)
20081231 19:35:47< mordante> look for main it's in that function (and just before)
20081231 19:36:01< Shadow_Master> it's a very subtle glitch though
20081231 19:36:25< crimson_penguin> mordante: oh, it's DISABLE_POOL_ALLOC
20081231 19:36:33< crimson_penguin> ah, right, and of course it's an ifndef
20081231 19:36:44< zookeeper> ESR_, kaleh's AMLAs are still buggy. the stun AMLA just didn't do anything but increase some HP.
20081231 19:36:49< mordante> oh sorry then I mistyped
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20081231 19:39:49< Shadow_Master> mordante: I'll publish a few patches to make th released IftU compatible with the mordante-kitty plot :P
20081231 19:40:12< Shadow_Master> does anyone think players can apply a simple diff? 
20081231 19:40:19< mordante> I assume patches to IfttU
20081231 19:40:26< Shadow_Master> yeah.
20081231 19:40:50< Shadow_Master> I just wonder if they know how to apply them ;) 
20081231 19:41:06< mordante> upload a new version to the addon server
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20081231 19:41:30 * crimson_penguin makes dmg
20081231 19:41:40 * mordante fetches some food
20081231 19:42:34< Shadow_Master> mordante: I do not have internet for that right now :/ 
20081231 19:46:12< zookeeper> and the third UtBS scenario doesn't work right.
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20081231 19:46:58< Shadow_Master> and now my connection dropped
20081231 19:46:59< Sirp_> loonycyborg: did you hear about the bug in upload_log?
20081231 19:48:23< crimson_penguin> well, uploading is working, but it's going slower than it should
20081231 19:48:53< crimson_penguin> <14K/s rather than 20K/s
20081231 19:49:31< zookeeper> but again i don't quite know _how_ that scenario is supposed to work, so...uh.
20081231 19:50:33< crimson_penguin> should take about 4 hours...
20081231 19:52:47< zookeeper> also that dumb capitalization in the objectives is driving me nuts. "Kaleh Must Reach the Exit Tunnel at the North Edge of the Map"
20081231 19:52:55< zookeeper> wth is that written like that.
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20081231 20:06:22< loonycyborg> Sirp_: Yes. I applied that change to upload_log.cpp
20081231 20:06:44< Sirp_> loonycyborg: excellent; so that will be in the windows binary for 1.5.7? Thank you!
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20081231 20:18:37< Espreon> ESR_: Here?
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20081231 20:23:23< CIA-52> mordante * r31843 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/window.cpp: Fix a small error in my previous commit.
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20081231 20:25:38< wesbot> Rhonda: The person with the nick elias last spoke 7d 6h ago.  4d 22h ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth and #wesnoth-de with the message: "Leaving"
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20081231 21:00:29< ESR_> Espreon: Yes, what's up?
20081231 21:01:40< Espreon> ESR_: wmllint thinks that words next to real single quotes are misspellings.
20081231 21:02:02< ESR_> zookeeper: I wouldn't have a problem if you ripped out the stun AMLA.
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20081231 21:02:22< ESR_> Espreon: Sample c.fg, please?
20081231 21:02:40< Espreon> Sure, lemme throw it on a pastebin.
20081231 21:03:29< Espreon> ESR_: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d493a91e1
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20081231 21:05:18< ESR_> Looking...
20081231 21:08:29< CIA-52> esr * r31844 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/01_The_Uprooting.cfg: Remove unnecessary macro.
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20081231 21:12:24< ESR_> zookeeper: What happened to the AI_LOCATION macro LoW uses?  Did it get renamed or something?
20081231 21:16:27< ESR_> fendrin: ping?
20081231 21:16:57< fendrin> ESR_: pong
20081231 21:17:06< Espreon> ESR_: So... what is going to be done?
20081231 21:17:23< fendrin> ESR_: I'm not finished implementing it.
20081231 21:17:45< ESR_> fendrin: It's causing a boatload of broken references.
20081231 21:18:30< ESR_> Would you please commit a stub so the wmlscope messages don't obscure real problems? 
20081231 21:19:06< fendrin> I see. The macros got enabled for the translation. I'll commit the stub.
20081231 21:19:20< ESR_> Thanks.
20081231 21:20:07< ESR_> Espreon: I'm looking into it.
20081231 21:20:52< zookeeper> wow. even with the 40% carryover i'm getting massive amounts of gold in UtBS. although i'm playing on the easiest difficulty.
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20081231 21:22:26< CIA-52> zookeeper * r31845 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/04_Descending_into_Darkness.cfg: Prevent the scenario from annoyingly ending when stepping next to the signpost.
20081231 21:24:28< CIA-52> esr * r31846 /trunk/data/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Fix glitches detected by wmllint.
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20081231 21:41:49< CIA-52> esr * r31847 /trunk/data/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Fix more wmllint glitches.
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20081231 21:46:22< Espreon> Hello noy.
20081231 21:46:31< noy> hey
20081231 21:58:06< CIA-52> fendrin * r31848 /trunk/data/core/macros/ai_controller.cfg: 
20081231 21:58:06< CIA-52> Adds a stub macro AI_LOCATION to the ai_controller.
20081231 21:58:06< CIA-52> This is called in scenario 7 of LoW and will be implemented
20081231 21:58:06< CIA-52> later.
20081231 22:14:22< zookeeper> to whoever maintains UtBS: the dwarvish explorer line has screwy melee hit sound timings, and the scout has just a generally screwy melee timing.
20081231 22:15:06 * Espreon cries.
20081231 22:17:25< zookeeper> don't cry, those are easy to fix
20081231 22:17:45< Espreon> I hate dealing with timing...
20081231 22:20:49< Espreon> Wait...
20081231 22:22:01< Espreon> zookeeper: You wouldn't mind if I delt with it later... would you?
20081231 22:22:29< zookeeper> no
20081231 22:32:30< crimson_penguin> only an hour and a half left to upload
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20081231 23:14:50< Shadow_Master> Espreon: ?
20081231 23:15:04< Espreon> Yes Shadow_Master?
20081231 23:15:06< Shadow_Master> deal with it now.
20081231 23:15:09< Shadow_Master> ;p
20081231 23:15:19< Shadow_Master> we all know you have plenty of spare time there
20081231 23:15:22 * Espreon is tired, thus he will not test.
20081231 23:15:34< Espreon> And you will yell at me if I do not test.
20081231 23:15:50< Shadow_Master> you just need :debug for testing
20081231 23:16:12< Espreon> I really do not feel like doing this right now.
20081231 23:16:22< Espreon> I hate dealing with timing.
20081231 23:17:29 * Baufo wishes everyone a happy new year
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20081231 23:19:59< Shadow_Master> new year on 5 hours for me
20081231 23:20:10< Kest> Is there a thread for small suggestions to the game?
20081231 23:20:21< Turuk> ideas?
20081231 23:20:30< Kest> yeah, tiny ones not worth a new thread
20081231 23:20:45 * Shadow_Master wishes Ivanovic and Rhonda a happy new year in one hour
20081231 23:20:45< Turuk> what is the idea?
20081231 23:21:02< zookeeper> Kest, nope
20081231 23:21:21< mordante> Shadow_Master 39 minutes ;-)
20081231 23:21:27< Shadow_Master> what?
20081231 23:21:31< Kest> my friends and I have been coming up with several nitpicks, was figuring it'd be good to place them in one thread for discussion
20081231 23:21:33< Sirp_> I'm afraid you have to create a new thread for your idea, giving the opportunity for people to heat ridicule and scorn on your to their heart's content, until you go off and beg a moderator to lock the thread....
20081231 23:21:37< Shadow_Master> are you under DST?
20081231 23:21:45< Sirp_> s/heat/heap/
20081231 23:21:46< mordante> [23:20]	* Shadow_Master	wishes Ivanovic and Rhonda a happy new year in one hour
20081231 23:21:48< Kest> Sirp: I am a moderator.
20081231 23:21:57< Sirp_> Kest: even better. :)
20081231 23:21:59< Shadow_Master> oh. 
20081231 23:22:03< Sirp_> Kest: just put them all in one thread.
20081231 23:22:47< Kest> ah ill keep gathering feedback then
20081231 23:23:02< Kest> some may be implemented, I don't know. We are playing stable.
20081231 23:23:07< Shadow_Master> i'm so dumb.
20081231 23:23:24< Shadow_Master> the machine from which i' runnin this irssi is on the same timezone
20081231 23:23:58< Sirp_> Kest: then you will be pleasantly surprised when you are told they are already implemented, no?
20081231 23:24:17< Kest> it's stuff that probably slipped under the radar.
20081231 23:24:20< Shadow_Master> Kest: :/
20081231 23:24:27 * Sirp_ thinks that no-one should ever make any suggestions at all, because it's possible that immediately before they made their suggestion, an implementation was committed by a developer.
20081231 23:24:35< Shadow_Master> rule #1 for new ideas: play dev version and read the SVN changelog
20081231 23:24:49< Sirp_> Shadow_Master: I don't really agree. If they are well thought out ideas, just post them.
20081231 23:25:02< mordante> great idea Sirp :-)
20081231 23:25:09< Sirp_> worst case, someone says, "oh hey it's already implemented.
20081231 23:25:17< Sirp_> and you say "oh cool."
20081231 23:25:31< Kest> Like hosts being able to mute disruptive players. Addons you have already downloaded being flagged as such in the download addon list.
20081231 23:25:34< Kest> Stuff like that.
20081231 23:25:34< Shadow_Master> my idea would have saved me a lot of time.
20081231 23:26:12< Kest> Are you able to sort games in the multiplayer lobby in the development version?
20081231 23:27:02< Sirp_> hosts can just kick out disruptive players.
20081231 23:27:04< Turuk> the add-on idea, about them being flagged that you have them, was brought up recently somewhere
20081231 23:27:09< zookeeper> Sirp_, worst case? nah, the worst case would be, someone says, "sigh. couldn't you have just gotten off your lazy ass and read the changelog? :roll: sheesh."
20081231 23:27:20< Sirp_> zookeeper: well yeah....
20081231 23:27:29< Kest> :roll: :roll: :eng101:
20081231 23:27:36 * Sirp_ probably wouldn't read the changelog before suggesting, so he doesn't expect others to.
20081231 23:27:56< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: uh... :) 
20081231 23:28:06< Kest> how long is the changelog, though? in the past it was pretty large between stable and development.
20081231 23:28:20< Kest> Sirp: not the point
20081231 23:28:35< Kest> If they want to mute a player but not kick them, the option should be available
20081231 23:30:46< Sirp_> that does seem like somewhat of a bizarre desire...
20081231 23:31:21< Sirp_> people who don't want to listen to them can put them on ignore.
20081231 23:32:39< Shadow_Master> ESR_: in general it'd be nice to have you around in #wesnoth-umc-dev :(
20081231 23:33:08< fendrin> I like to disable the autosaves for a story only scenario. Can this be done?
20081231 23:33:37< cib0> Sirp_: what if he's e.g. insulting someone? personally, i wouldn't just put him on ignore when everyone else could still hear the insults.. wouldn't mind kicking him anyway then, though =)
20081231 23:34:12< cib0> anyway, off to bed, night everyone
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20081231 23:34:19< Kest> What if he's a friend you don't want to kick, but is causing a problem with other players?
20081231 23:34:42< Kest> yeah, like i said - stuff that probably slipped under the radar.
20081231 23:38:59< zookeeper> fendrin, no
20081231 23:43:51< Ivanovic> re
20081231 23:44:00< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: what is the status of the mac binary?
20081231 23:47:47< Ivanovic> Sirp_: any answer from ellen regarding payment?
20081231 23:48:02< Ivanovic> (already asked in #wesnoth-mentor, but looks like there is only your account at work logged in...)
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20081231 23:55:18< CIA-52> ivanovic * r31849 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-did/sk.po): updated Slovak translation
20081231 23:58:20< Shadow_Master> mordante, Ivanovic , Rhonda : happy new year in 2 sminutes for you
20081231 23:58:33< mordante> thanks Shadow_Master 
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