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ah nevermind that was just rhetoric 20081207 17:15:25 to initiate conversation of anykind 20081207 17:16:21 yes 20081207 17:16:29 =) 20081207 17:17:04 what's new since then? 20081207 17:18:26 to be exact the stable release used to be 1.2.8 and dev version was 1.3.6 or something like that 20081207 17:19:06 changelog.wesnoth.org 20081207 17:21:51 -!- bihu_ [n=gecko@211.144.106.133] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20081207 17:22:05 -!- bihu_ [n=gecko@211.144.106.133] has joined #wesnoth 20081207 17:22:07 at first glance there dont seem to be mcuh =) 20081207 17:23:29 yeah, 1500 lines isn't much 20081207 17:24:02 I was referring to the content though 20081207 17:24:09 -!- Ken_Oh [n=Ken_Oh@c-69-138-211-71.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 20081207 17:24:23 essentially just minor unit balances 20081207 17:24:45 apparently you only looked at the parts mentioning minor unit balance then. 20081207 17:25:44 you just had to come up with something to say, didnt you ? 20081207 17:25:50 not that i have any idea what sort of changes you think there could be then 20081207 17:25:51 yes 20081207 17:25:53 and Im so into fighting 20081207 17:26:06 =D 20081207 17:27:02 campaigns, scenarios seem to be adjusted.. there's some graphical updates like hpbar scaling, xp bar and red foot prints for costly movement 20081207 17:27:18 bats, mermen, bowman, mage of light seem to be adjusted also 20081207 17:27:51 although that's in comparison with the 1.3.6 to 1.4.6 20081207 17:28:32 so there's more if you also take into account what's in between the 1.2.8 - 1.3.6 and 1.4.6 current development 20081207 17:28:36 not to mention about twice as many campaigns. 20081207 17:28:56 yeah 20081207 17:28:57 well I didnt mean to be negative 20081207 17:29:24 was just wondering if there would be important gameplay changes that would affect strategy 20081207 17:29:41 i guess not, the core gameplay doesn't tend to change. 20081207 17:29:47 new campaings is great but it doesnt affect multiplayer.. but it was me not to point out the perspective 20081207 17:29:56 oh, multiplayer, in that case sure. 20081207 17:31:59 I was actually trying to make an era myself before i had to go to the army, which is primarily where i've been since the last time I played 20081207 17:32:00 =) 20081207 17:32:34 a bunch of new maps in 1.5.x, too 20081207 17:32:42 hmm I wonder if I should get that 20081207 17:32:48 I dont at the present time have an internet connection myself 20081207 17:32:58 so I was wondering I would get the wesnoth here where there is ac onnection 20081207 17:33:28 put it on a disc and waste my time on campaigns while trying to decide whether I should get/afford a connection 20081207 17:33:55 I thought 1.4.6 would be the easier choice for that purpose 20081207 17:34:07 is there any other place to download campaings from than the add-ons.wesnoth 20081207 17:34:07 ? 20081207 17:35:25 I'd probably still be trying to make the era but I couldnt quite get around wesnoth wml, or rather it takes too much time 20081207 17:35:28 and there's always something wrong 20081207 17:35:54 dunno 20081207 17:37:43 hmm 20081207 17:38:36 there are no third-party add-on servers if that's what you mean 20081207 17:38:50 but there's a web interface, http://www.wesnoth.org/addons/1.4/ 20081207 17:39:36 1.5.6 is also pretty stable at least for playing campaigns with (with the exception of UtBS) 20081207 17:39:56 kk 20081207 17:41:39 it's kind of irritating 20081207 17:41:58 I've somewhat good picture of what kind of an era I would make 20081207 17:42:16 but when you open the text editor and try to write it out it just never works 20081207 17:42:25 =D 20081207 17:44:40 basicly the nature of the game tends to be a little chaotic 20081207 17:45:06 -!- bihu_ [n=gecko@211.144.106.133] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20081207 17:45:34 mostly due to roughly scaling movement costs, movement based LoS, erratic flyers 20081207 17:45:50 for an example the base movement cost for units is 1 20081207 17:45:56 which means there's only 1 way to go 20081207 17:46:12 and the alernatives given are 200% and 300% 20081207 17:46:14 -!- BenUrban_ is now known as BenUrban 20081207 17:46:30 it would be more sensible to start with base movement cost 3 20081207 17:46:36 that would allow more accurate scaling 20081207 17:46:54 and going downwards from default.. 3 -> 2 which would be 1/3 reduction 20081207 17:47:07 when considering strategy and tactics I suppose it would be better 20081207 17:47:20 you're free to do that in your era. 20081207 17:47:35 but i doubt that most people would find irritating to calculate movement then 20081207 17:48:06 like 15 movement pointsa and expected movement 4 hexes 20081207 17:48:09 it would be annoying 20081207 17:48:33 therefore the best way would be to maintain the basecost 1 20081207 17:48:38 but leave the integers 20081207 17:48:51 which though probably cant be done just by rewritign units / stuff with a text editor 20081207 17:49:29 so you could have fractions of movement points... hmm btw is that done in some circumstances already? 20081207 17:50:47 no. 20081207 17:51:47 hmm 20081207 17:51:59 well it would require some level of compromise in anycase 20081207 17:52:45 with the current method defining of units is less precise, well limited 20081207 17:53:33 movement based LoS in itself is cool, downside is that an exception can not be made 20081207 17:54:08 and it causes problems with value of information 20081207 17:54:40 and is the primary factor for creating the problems created by "flyers" 20081207 17:54:43 * causing 20081207 17:55:56 hmm now this "conversation" or monologue has taken a rather stereotypical aspect 20081207 17:56:31 and it would be stupid of me to think that you're intrested in the gibberish 20081207 17:56:33 =) 20081207 17:58:02 Has anyone here currently present ( anyone even currently present ? ) ever made an era or a campaign, or has thought of either? 20081207 18:02:15 -!- Ken_Oh 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