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20081216 00:01:56< _bryce> Hi. I'm playing the orc mainline campaign. I'm playing on the lowest difficulty level because it said "challenging". It's not. It's a good campaign, though, I really like it. One issue however:
20081216 00:02:29< _bryce> I just beat the first bridge scenario (Saving the saurians) by clobbering both enemy leaders with 5 turns to spare.
20081216 00:02:53< _bryce> Next scenario, they're both re-generated and except for the little gold bonus I got, I'm no better off than if I hadn't beat them.
20081216 00:03:03< _bryce> That's kinda lame, in my opinion.
20081216 00:03:26< _bryce> Especially since I spent most of my accumulated gold to beat them.
20081216 00:04:10< _bryce> (I over-recruited somewhat)
20081216 00:06:16< _bryce> At the least, I'd like to see alternate leaders for them next time and some kind of bonus/acknowledgment for it. I suppose actually having only humans in the next one might make it too easy, but still. 
20081216 00:07:35< e7th04sh> inconsistensies like that are common in campaigns, especially if you play on lower level than you ought to
20081216 00:08:28< e7th04sh> i just recently beat second scenario from sceptre of fire on easy or normal, and before i accomplished objective, i killed elvish leader - this should actually lead to alternative ending, but it did not
20081216 00:09:10< e7th04sh> i think i will message turin, i have a suggestion that would be simple and not invasive to plot
20081216 00:10:19< e7th04sh> bye
20081216 00:11:10< henkka> I've to agree with bryce here 
20081216 00:11:10< henkka> even though my opinion is completely worthless but
20081216 00:11:20< Turuk> if you want to see your changes implemented, post in the campaign feedback forum
20081216 00:11:28< Turuk> even though you may not see a response, the devs do read them
20081216 00:11:40< henkka> although
20081216 00:11:58< henkka> actually I just remembered what the scenario was 
20081216 00:12:09< henkka> so nevermind I was thinking something else
20081216 00:12:19< henkka> D=
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20081216 00:16:19< Soliton> patches are welcome. such issues are probably going to be quite low priority otherwise.
20081216 00:16:27< henkka> Yeah
20081216 00:16:32< henkka> alternative endings in campaigns are always nice
20081216 00:16:51< henkka> and when it's possible in a scenario to kill a person that will certainly appear later in the campaign
20081216 00:17:03< henkka> it always causes the possibility for an inconsistency
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20081216 00:17:47< _bryce> hi
20081216 00:17:48< henkka> nevermind my typings are pointless
20081216 00:19:04< _bryce> thanks for your comments, I'll post on the feedback forum as suggested.
20081216 00:19:08< Ivanovic> n8
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20081216 08:39:20< VurtualRuler98> what the
20081216 08:39:29< VurtualRuler98> wesnoth just started playing some sorta old west type song for a moment
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20081216 09:19:12< e7th04sh> i've got an idea (which might be already implemented) it would be great if [map] tag accepted url's to files insitead of raw text only.
20081216 09:19:16< e7th04sh> and um... hi
20081216 09:21:02< VurtualRuler98> hai thar
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20081216 09:40:59< e7th04sh> i get sql errors when wandering in forums
20081216 09:41:28< e7th04sh> hm... now it got constant
20081216 09:41:43< e7th04sh> forum is down
20081216 09:41:43< Rhonda> I just shut the database down
20081216 09:41:46< e7th04sh> oh
20081216 09:41:56< Rhonda> There was a problem with a table
20081216 09:41:59< e7th04sh> when will it be avalaible?
20081216 09:42:07< Rhonda> When the myisamchk is finished.
20081216 09:42:42< Rhonda> The affected table is 292M in size, so it might take a minute or two.
20081216 09:42:49< e7th04sh> is your db corrupted after this two days absence?
20081216 09:43:41< Rhonda> Not completely sure if it might not be corrupted for a bit longer, don't know what the problem last night was about yet.
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20081216 09:46:17< e7th04sh> it's pretty easy to code a forum which works on sql and stores data there, however not so easy to code one, that will not get totally screwed if in someone pulls electricity out in most unfortunate event
20081216 09:47:46< e7th04sh> -in
20081216 09:49:56< e7th04sh> how to add /n to a string in WML? (a description of mp map)
20081216 09:55:18< Rhonda> hmm, still checking ...
20081216 10:06:37< e7th04sh> it would be nice thing if i could turn off everything apart eyecandy graphic - that would make better screenshots
20081216 10:08:08< Rhonda> What do you mean? Where, how, what?
20081216 10:10:27< e7th04sh> i can toggle graphic options in game, right? grid, team colors
20081216 10:11:17< e7th04sh> it would be great if could either toggle on/off hp bars and mobility balls or press some button that would toggle everything off together with top and right bars, leaving me with a naturally looking picture of battle
20081216 10:11:46< e7th04sh> so i could make a screenshot of battle without any artefacts
20081216 10:13:19< e7th04sh> wait wait, you thought i was talkinbg about phpbb? :D
20081216 10:14:43< Rhonda> I didn't know what you were talking at all, thus the question. :)
20081216 10:16:07< e7th04sh> yeah... i've got my weird out of context sentences sometime
20081216 10:16:33< e7th04sh> cause i forget to include enough ifnromation in them, like if you could follow my trail of thought anyways
20081216 10:21:44< Rhonda> I would never have expected a myisamchk to take that long  %-/
20081216 10:22:34< Rhonda> Propably means data records, 3035000 and still counting up 1000 steps
20081216 10:23:24< e7th04sh> :(
20081216 10:23:57< Rhonda> Sorry that I can't satisfy your forum addiction currently. :P
20081216 10:24:01< e7th04sh> :D
20081216 10:24:12< e7th04sh> it's the only thing i can do atm, i am quite sick :(
20081216 10:31:19< Rhonda> ouch ...
20081216 10:31:30< Rhonda> I fear it might take _ages_
20081216 10:32:42< Rhonda> Either I misinterpret that, or it hasn't even checked 10% yet.  :(
20081216 10:32:54< e7th04sh> oh my oh my D:
20081216 10:33:02< e7th04sh> what does it say?
20081216 10:34:01< Rhonda> Well, it goes pretty slowly over the data.
20081216 10:34:19< Rhonda> I moved the forum database out, started mysql again and doing it now without disturbing the wiki.
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20081216 10:50:57< e7th04sh> unfortunately wiki is heavily integrated with forum by links
20081216 10:51:19< e7th04sh> instead of using always wiki pages for stuff, people use topics and edit first post
20081216 10:55:57< Rhonda> uh?
20081216 10:56:07< e7th04sh> did you notice how few innovative ideas people use when creating plot for their campaign? (you are young xxx, when your dad is killed you flee to return and slay enemies, then you become a mightiest person of your days
20081216 10:56:20< Rhonda> Well, it's their fault if the abuse the different usage patterns/approaches
20081216 10:56:47< e7th04sh> right
20081216 10:57:10< Rhonda> The wiki is for documentation, forum for discussion.
20081216 10:58:24< e7th04sh> i think that adding an automatic integration of wiki article and forum discussion could be nice - fe. a button 'discussion' like in normal wiki, but it would either link to corresponding topic in forum, or let you create one
20081216 10:59:16< Rhonda> Don't know mediawiki well enough to know wether that's possible at all or not
20081216 10:59:53< e7th04sh> well perhaps it's not a good idea for the amount of work, bugtesting and problems with upgrading
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20081216 11:29:19< e7th04sh> what's with the adds on wesnoth.org? are they free or do they generate cash? what happens with cash? hosting?
20081216 11:30:15< Rhonda> adds? You mean ads?
20081216 11:30:40< Rhonda> What ads? Or is that my adblock plugin? :)
20081216 11:37:29< e7th04sh> perhaps that's it - wesnoth.org have ad banner generally about some so-sweet-i-puke games, resembling gaiaonline
20081216 11:37:49< e7th04sh> and i have a screwed map data for one of my maps :(
20081216 11:38:55< Soliton> yes, the idea is to make the money for hosting wesnoth.org via ads.
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20081216 11:42:47< e7th04sh> so if i click a banner a number of times every time i visit the site, iam geneating some small cash for wesnoth? :)
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20081216 11:44:39< Rhonda> e7th04sh: gaiaonline?! You know gaiaonline?
20081216 11:45:46< Rhonda> hmm, in epiphany browser I don't have an adblock plugin but it doesn't show anything neither?
20081216 11:46:01< Rhonda> adblock does tell me that it only blocks the googleanalytics javascript anyway?
20081216 11:46:45< Soliton> might be flash ads.
20081216 11:47:24< Rhonda> Those don't work on ppc linux anyway.
20081216 11:51:54< e7th04sh> Rhonda you know, i used to have an account there, back in primary or middle school :( cause i always liked designing my outfit and it's what i hated about mmo's that back in these days this was almost not to not supported.
20081216 11:53:17< e7th04sh> even got involved in some political/philosophical discussions... that was the time i realized people on the internet are rarely an interesting interlocutors.
20081216 11:53:57< Rhonda> I didn't delete my account yet, wanna see my totally fucked up avatar? :P
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20081216 12:19:05< e7th04sh> sure :D
20081216 12:19:12< e7th04sh> mine has nothing interesting tough ;p
20081216 12:19:47< e7th04sh> and might as well got deleted... and i don't remember the password.. i am not sure if i remember the name? it was... female ;p
20081216 12:19:53< Rhonda> I wasn't logged in in ages
20081216 12:20:11< e7th04sh> cause' c'mon, who wants to look at that male picture all the time ;]
20081216 12:21:11< cobra632> how long is the server goin to be down?:(
20081216 12:22:19< Rhonda> What server?
20081216 12:22:25< Rhonda> The server isn't down, at all.
20081216 12:23:06< cobra632> yeah it is
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20081216 12:23:59< cobra632> i can not get to it
20081216 12:24:33< cobra632> when I try it says, general error
20081216 12:25:26< cobra632> can you guys get on the server???
20081216 12:26:47< e7th04sh> yes
20081216 12:28:16< e7th04sh> http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6229/eyeofonisdc6.png screenshot of my map, called Eye of Onis
20081216 12:28:20< e7th04sh> shameless, i know ;]
20081216 12:31:40< Rhonda> cobra632: What says general error?
20081216 12:32:00< Rhonda> Can you please try a bit more specific?
20081216 12:32:39< Rhonda> The server is not down. I think you mean that going to the forum says "General error". Yes, the forum isn't up yet. But the forum isn't any server, it's a part of the website.
20081216 12:32:48< Rhonda> And the website is up, too.
20081216 12:33:18< cobra632> when i try to log in. Instead of bringing me to the forums, a window pops and says that there is a general error
20081216 12:33:33< Rhonda> Yes. But the server still is up.
20081216 12:33:45< Rhonda> Otherwise it wouldn't be able to tell you about that General error.
20081216 12:35:28< Rhonda> And that's not even a pop-up. :)
20081216 12:37:44< cobra632> lol
20081216 12:37:49< e7th04sh> i won't be patient Rhonda ;p and where is your avatar from gaia huh? :>
20081216 12:38:12< Rhonda> e7th04sh: http://a2.cdn.gaiaonline.com/gaia/members/ava/42/90/5b7686d1189042_flip.png?t=1210583223_6.00_11  %-/
20081216 12:38:13< cobra632> how do you make the smileys?
20081216 12:38:29< Rhonda> With typing the according characters?
20081216 12:38:33< VurtualRuler98> With a : and a >?
20081216 12:38:49< VurtualRuler98> ..chatzilla
20081216 12:48:59< Rhonda> e7th04sh?
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20081216 13:04:46< e7th04sh> i am sometimes away ;]
20081216 13:05:21< e7th04sh> oh oh oh :D
20081216 13:05:37< e7th04sh> wait, are you yourself a female? :>
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20081216 13:08:47< e7th04sh> Rhonda how is the mysimachk going?
20081216 13:15:17< Rhonda> e7th04sh: I would say so. And about the chk, I'm not completely sure. I did dare to run it with -q which did last long even it's said to be quick but did tell me in the end that I'd have to run it without the -q option %-(
20081216 13:17:11< e7th04sh> crap
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20081216 14:16:17< Rhonda> Data records: 6933003
20081216 14:16:18< Rhonda> 5864000
20081216 14:16:22< Rhonda> Almost there.
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20081216 14:24:13< e7th04sh> yay
20081216 14:24:47< e7th04sh> "prepare yer spamsters and flame granades!"
20081216 14:25:13 * Rhonda locks e7th04sh's forum account, while at it
20081216 14:25:49< e7th04sh> :)
20081216 14:26:06< e7th04sh> what does Onis means in Den of Onis?
20081216 14:27:18< e7th04sh> ouch, i see i can;t download replays too
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20081216 14:35:04< e7th04sh> hm... perhaqps cleaning up the forum by moving some of database tro archives could prove helpful
20081216 14:35:50< e7th04sh> not necessarily removed, but kept in other database, that could be processed seprately then.
20081216 14:44:04< e7th04sh> most of the locked topic, probably over a half of off-topic, etc.
20081216 14:48:14< Rhonda> GRRRRRRRRRRR
20081216 14:48:56< Rhonda> ah, wait
20081216 14:49:01< e7th04sh> are you now expressing your anger with the results of myisamchk?
20081216 14:49:02< e7th04sh> :(
20081216 14:51:49< e7th04sh> Imagine the view from the sky on wesnoth.org, where all the sad people, developers, users, players, content makers and trolls stay... And then you see how database flyes away slowly, and the soundtrack is 'Free as a Bird' of The Beatles
20081216 14:53:33< Rhonda> e voila!
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20081216 14:55:31< Rhonda> e7th04sh: or in other words: enjoy!
20081216 14:57:00< e7th04sh> yay :D
20081216 14:57:14< grummsh> tis beautifully said
20081216 14:57:20< e7th04sh> May Onis, whatever it is, bless you!
20081216 15:00:14< e7th04sh> if i created map with a large border, in case i need more area, what's easiest way to remove that unecessary cave wall?
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20081216 15:06:52< VurtualRuler98> drawing not-cave-wall?
20081216 15:08:31< e7th04sh> ...?
20081216 15:08:47< e7th04sh> no, i mean my map is 41x41, when in fact you use only like 31x31
20081216 15:08:54< e7th04sh> but i fugred myself, never mind
20081216 15:10:40< e7th04sh> i think the resize function of editor in 1.4.6 works bad when gived odd number of offsets
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20081216 15:14:06< grummsh> Rhonda: thanks
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20081216 16:24:11< e7th04sh> how do i turn all white into transparent in gimp?
20081216 16:24:53< e7th04sh> but not the white part of each pixel :(
20081216 16:25:10< {jer_v}> haha
20081216 16:25:28< {jer_v}> First switch the white to something else you hope doesn't already exist.
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20081216 16:25:45< e7th04sh> well, the white is not used on all the rest
20081216 16:26:26< voris> I'm confused I guess, rereading what you wrote.
20081216 16:26:31< e7th04sh> i thik i figured ;p select by color
20081216 16:26:40< voris> Yes.
20081216 16:26:46< voris> What were you doing before?
20081216 16:26:57< e7th04sh> if i try to turn all white to transparent on image, gimp turns some pixels to partially transparent...
20081216 16:27:03< voris> oohhh
20081216 16:27:04< voris> weird
20081216 16:27:10< voris> I'd never tried that.
20081216 16:28:44< Rhonda> e7th04sh: select by colour, add alpha channel to layer, cut
20081216 16:28:45< e7th04sh> fe. if i try red->transparent, it will remove the red chanell at 100%, and all pixels will be that much transparent, or maybe all will be 33% transparent ;/ i dunno what image formats are used to store this information later
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20081216 16:31:55< voris> What Rhonda said works without such headaches.
20081216 16:33:32< e7th04sh> i did almost that - select by color, color->transparency
20081216 16:34:03< e7th04sh> and the result is visible as my avatar now :]
20081216 16:34:39< voris> Sweet.
20081216 16:35:45< e7th04sh> ^_^
20081216 16:37:38< e7th04sh> i made some mistake when copying my map, WesnothMap.php works with it, but editor and BfW chokes..
20081216 16:39:27< e7th04sh> maybe if i run it from cmd i'll get some info?
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20081216 16:41:56< e7th04sh> i get stderr.txt with this line twice: WARNING: setlocale() failed for 'C'.
20081216 16:42:06< e7th04sh> and it ends with: "creating map..."
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20081216 17:07:52< Ivanovic> hi
20081216 17:19:09< e7th04sh> i have a crazy idea for a multiplayer scenario, but i would need to alter the ai behaviour :/ i would have to forbid ai to anytime move their units north...
20081216 17:19:13< e7th04sh> is that even possible?
20081216 17:20:14< Soliton> north being a specific region or they're not allowed to move up but only down and side ways?
20081216 17:20:31< zookeeper> former is possible, latter not really
20081216 17:20:51< zookeeper> well, theoretically possible, but..
20081216 17:21:45< e7th04sh> latter, unfortunately
20081216 17:22:30< zookeeper> well, i'd need to know more details to be able to say whether there's any realistic workaround.
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20081216 17:22:44< zookeeper> details as in what sort of moves the AI is supposed to make then
20081216 17:23:27< e7th04sh> one moment 
20081216 17:25:14< e7th04sh> well, the idea is to make a map called Avalanche, map would be a cavewall labirynth with 1-3 hexwide passages on a basis of a triangle, with one vertex in the north, and 2 vertexes in the south.
20081216 17:25:50< e7th04sh> Players would start in the farthest row to the south, and compete each other, trying to get to the top.
20081216 17:26:43< e7th04sh> They ai would be 'throwing rocks' at them - spawning monsters at the top and making them fall down. The goal weould be to avoid those, and at the same time try to disadvantage rivalry.
20081216 17:26:57< zookeeper> right
20081216 17:27:06< e7th04sh> That's a raw idea tough, no details, cause i just had it.
20081216 17:28:02< e7th04sh> Perhaps the monsters would come in different hitpoints and resistances, making player have to decide between killing them or avoid.
20081216 17:28:09< zookeeper> well, you can force an AI unit to move to try to move to or towards a specific location. so you could just control the rock movement entirely manually.
20081216 17:28:33< zookeeper> since presumably they don't need to be smart, that could be feasible
20081216 17:29:35< e7th04sh> but they should also try to fall on and attack players, and i think they should be able to do damage only if attacking from the north.
20081216 17:30:46< e7th04sh> WML discourages such untypical ideas, i guess... it would certainly be hassle to do it
20081216 17:31:13< zookeeper> well, i guess you could give them an attack special which drops their damage to 1 if attacking northwards and then just count on the AI picking the better target...and canceling attacks that occur northwards.
20081216 17:31:39< e7th04sh> this should work
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20081216 17:32:05< e7th04sh> ha! it will take ages to create that tough.. ;]
20081216 17:32:10 * zookeeper shrugs
20081216 17:32:10< e7th04sh> at least i've got something to do
20081216 17:33:03< zookeeper> i've already written maybe like a third of the rock moving ;)
20081216 17:33:10< e7th04sh> :D
20081216 17:34:07< e7th04sh> hm... i'll start with making a map
20081216 17:36:38< AI0867> e7th04sh: sounds like you selected with antialiasing, turn that off
20081216 17:37:31< e7th04sh> AI0867 ?
20081216 17:37:50< AI0867> about an hour ago
20081216 17:37:59< AI0867> with the partially transparent turned pixels
20081216 17:40:26< e7th04sh> well, i have no idea what was the cause, but i don't want to know, i don't use gimp a lot, and somehow i had it done
20081216 17:40:40< e7th04sh> so thanks for the information :D i hope i will never have to use it
20081216 17:40:55< e7th04sh> ;p
20081216 17:44:06< e7th04sh> bout the Avalanche, i think some references to the mario vs donky kong games could be thrown in
20081216 17:44:10< zookeeper> hmm, almost done, i think..
20081216 17:44:19< e7th04sh> owah :D
20081216 17:49:35< zookeeper> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d44ea75dc
20081216 17:49:56< zookeeper> i'm sure it doesn't work out of the box, but maybe you'll be able to do the rest.
20081216 17:50:51< zookeeper> hmm
20081216 17:51:33< e7th04sh> ill try
20081216 17:51:36< e7th04sh> thank you :)
20081216 17:51:41< zookeeper> the location filtering doesn't work, it tries to set the side 1,2 unit location as the target location to move to, but of course it never gets there because it excludes those locations since it tries to simulate ZoC
20081216 17:52:17< zookeeper> so you'll have to fix that so that it targets the hexes next to the units instead, and does it so that it still considers ZoC properly.
20081216 17:52:35< zookeeper> somewhat complicated of course, but i'm not going to write all of it for you :p
20081216 17:55:47< e7th04sh> i hope i will be able to handle this ;] i will have to... learn more on WML tough
20081216 18:08:59< e7th04sh> oh my
20081216 18:09:14< e7th04sh> i am reading your paste zookeeper - it looks almost like code in one of civilised languages ;p
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20081216 18:13:24< e7th04sh> i am really wondering, i heard there was python plugin for wesnoth... but isn't it used?
20081216 18:14:36< e7th04sh> why*
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20081216 18:44:51< Soliton> you can write AIs in python.
20081216 18:46:41< e7th04sh> that might be a solution
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20081216 19:09:48< e7th04sh> ..
20081216 19:10:35< e7th04sh> my isp sucks
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20081216 20:01:48< e7th04sh> it seems wesnoth.org is overburdened
20081216 20:14:47< e7th04sh> or not.. it's my stupid isp, dns's aredown, as usually
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20081216 20:34:07< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20081216 21:43:37< grzywacz> wesnoth had a little bit of /. coverage today
20081216 21:44:38< Unnheulu> grzywacz: you mean http:///..com
20081216 21:46:47< grzywacz> Yes, I mean.
20081216 21:46:49< grzywacz> :p
20081216 21:47:03< Unnheulu> grzywacz: you mean http:///..com
20081216 21:47:05< Unnheulu> xD
20081216 21:47:07< Unnheulu> oops
20081216 22:11:22< jon316> nice1
20081216 22:11:37< jon316> 1.4.7
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20081216 22:13:58< e7th04sh> wo-ho upgrade time
20081216 22:14:22< jon316> I'm trying to do it now, and it won't work >_>
20081216 22:15:36< jon316> there we go
20081216 22:15:39< e7th04sh> cause you are the hero guy, you now, the one who assaults first, so other might check if there are heavy machine guns near :D
20081216 22:15:39< jon316> it was slow
20081216 22:16:46< jon316> oww
20081216 22:16:53< jon316> 16.4 kb/sec
20081216 22:16:56< jon316> -.-
20081216 22:17:02< jon316> 1% :D
20081216 22:17:38< jon316> 13.5 kb/sec
20081216 22:17:47< jon316> even better.
20081216 22:17:49< jon316> :P
20081216 22:22:14< jon316> 3% :D
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20081216 22:54:43< jon316-away> 18!!
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20081216 23:19:17< jon316-away> lmao
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20081216 23:19:24< jon316-away> the set up files are corrupted.
20081216 23:19:32< jon316-away> waited that long...and the files are corrupt
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20081216 23:25:17< voris> Shit. My download abruptly "completed".
20081216 23:25:38< voris> I wonder what causes that to happen.
20081216 23:26:58< Rhonda> Maybe the end of the data from the other end?
20081216 23:27:53< e7th04sh> i won't get involved in that off-topic silly debates ;/
20081216 23:28:10< voris> heh
20081216 23:28:29< e7th04sh> the guy just said i mistake communism for totalitarian regimes, because i wrote that one can be communist in capitalism but not vice versa
20081216 23:28:48< e7th04sh> prejudiced would be the best adjective
20081216 23:28:50< e7th04sh> ..
20081216 23:28:51< Ivanovic> n8
20081216 23:28:51 * Turuk will hunt down each and every one of you who perpetuate the mage topic.
20081216 23:29:18< e7th04sh> magetopic?
20081216 23:30:17< Turuk> the racial purity topic
20081216 23:32:07< e7th04sh> oh
20081216 23:32:13< e7th04sh> i was wondering about it...
20081216 23:32:47< e7th04sh> look, we have a wose, lawful impact x-2 heavy hitter regenerating and pretty much a tanker
20081216 23:33:00< Turuk> ...
20081216 23:33:07< e7th04sh> and we have troll, that is pretty similar, just different movetype and resistances
20081216 23:33:20< e7th04sh> and chaotic of course
20081216 23:33:44< e7th04sh> so i thought that for the beginning, we could create a pretty similar unit with different graphics, and then modify it to
20081216 23:33:55< e7th04sh> trying to create some uniqueness
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20081216 23:34:37< e7th04sh> at first they could differ just like wose and troll - fe. the "Green mage" could get ambush
20081216 23:34:57< Turuk> e7th04sh: so i thought that for the beginning, we could create a pretty similar unit with different graphics, and then modify it to
20081216 23:34:59< Turuk> that is my point
20081216 23:35:00< e7th04sh> i don;t think he have to be elvish-foot
20081216 23:35:07< e7th04sh> hm?
20081216 23:35:19< e7th04sh> you mean, i concur what you expressed already?
20081216 23:35:22< Turuk> when someone does the graphics and the work involved, sure, give it a shot
20081216 23:35:29< Turuk> but people just talk endlessly about it
20081216 23:35:33< Turuk> no one wants to do the work
20081216 23:35:37< e7th04sh> well, then the graphical design have to be discussed first
20081216 23:35:46< Turuk> it has been discussed
20081216 23:35:47< Turuk> endlessly
20081216 23:35:48< e7th04sh> and we could debate differences a bit
20081216 23:35:52< Turuk> been done
20081216 23:36:09< Turuk> I am not trying to shut you down :) but my point is, all the talking part has been done
20081216 23:36:18< e7th04sh> well, i created my avatar today out of mage, i could try to create something, as olng as i don't have to do it from scratch
20081216 23:36:24< Turuk> there is a multiple page art thread about what it should be colored/designed as
20081216 23:36:32< Turuk> give it a go
20081216 23:36:41< Turuk> be one of the few to actually make progress
20081216 23:36:47< e7th04sh> anyways, did you see my avatar? i think it's cute ^.^
20081216 23:37:28< e7th04sh> and no, it's not a mistake, i decided he will be a cylop :D
20081216 23:38:12< e7th04sh> cyclop*
20081216 23:44:54< e7th04sh> ok, i guess asking for some aprobation like 'cute.' or 'nice ;]' is too much ... :(
20081216 23:45:44< Turuk> sorry
20081216 23:45:50< Turuk> I don't pay complete attention to IRC
20081216 23:46:00< Turuk> it is pretty cool, I like the colored effects
20081216 23:46:18< e7th04sh> :P
20081216 23:46:21< e7th04sh> thanks ;]
20081216 23:46:26< e7th04sh> bye
20081216 23:46:29< e7th04sh> good night
20081216 23:50:50< Turuk> night
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