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20081217 02:33:53< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20081217 03:14:46< Jetrel> wesbot:  seen Shadow_Master
20081217 03:14:47< wesbot> Jetrel: The person with the nick Shadow_Master last spoke 3d 1h ago.  2d 19h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
20081217 03:15:21< Jetrel> wait, I meant to join -dev
20081217 03:15:23< Jetrel> doh
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20081217 05:09:12< zer0rez> is it known the website is having issues?
20081217 05:10:24< Turuk> yes, that you are getting the errors for the play, create, support and credit links
20081217 05:10:29< Turuk> and that the forum says too many hosts?
20081217 05:11:00< zer0rez> i was looking at the wiki specifically
20081217 05:12:37< AI0867> mysql has gone away
20081217 05:14:34< zer0rez> oh
20081217 05:14:46< zer0rez> mysql is frivolous it's not needed.
20081217 05:16:05< zer0rez> ;)
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20081217 05:29:25< AI0867> maybe we should use yoursql?
20081217 05:30:31< zer0rez> no that's even worse
20081217 05:30:58< zer0rez> it's made out of elbow macaroni, construction paper and finger paints
20081217 05:32:03< AI0867> sounds like it can't run away very well
20081217 05:32:20< zer0rez> nope
20081217 05:40:20< zer0rez> ok thank you
20081217 05:40:25< zer0rez> i'm off for the night
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20081217 07:47:02< eerf> I dont see some of the maps that I have
20081217 07:47:09< VurtualRuler98> Er?
20081217 07:47:12< eerf> I mean
20081217 07:47:27< eerf> I dont see them on the list when I host the game
20081217 07:47:30< VurtualRuler98> uhm
20081217 07:47:41< eerf> Do you what the problem is?
20081217 07:47:51< eerf> Do you know *
20081217 07:47:54< VurtualRuler98> make sure: in right folder, isn't broken, you have restarted the game.
20081217 07:48:09< VurtualRuler98> Yes, I do what the problem is.
20081217 07:48:11< VurtualRuler98> The whole tihng
20081217 07:48:15< VurtualRuler98> Something went wrong, clearly.
20081217 07:48:19< eerf> yeah
20081217 07:48:26< eerf> so how do I fix it?
20081217 07:48:33< VurtualRuler98> apply the general flowchart of fixing things:
20081217 07:48:38< eerf> lol
20081217 07:48:44< eerf> seriously
20081217 07:49:24< eerf> I can play it when someone else host but I can not find it on the list
20081217 07:49:26< eerf> dang
20081217 07:49:33< VurtualRuler98> 1. look harder, 2. search the internet, 3. make sure it's properly in place, 4. try restarting, 5. try reinstalling
20081217 07:49:37< VurtualRuler98> Probably number 3
20081217 07:49:58< VurtualRuler98> (if all else fails, continue with 6. restart PC, 7. reinstall OS, 8. new PC)
20081217 07:50:14< eerf> but when you install addons doesnt it place where it should be automatically?
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20081217 07:50:22< VurtualRuler98> Oh, addon
20081217 07:50:23< VurtualRuler98> probably
20081217 07:50:46< eerf> probably?
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20081217 07:58:03< Soliton> maybe you could mention what maps you're talking about...
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20081217 11:54:29< matthewt> some nice music from a game similar to wesnoth: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8FfmNQJ_Xko&feature=related
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20081217 13:44:54< Ivanovic> hi
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20081217 16:19:53< e7th04sh> the only result of getting involved in off-topic on wesnoth's forum is a possible loss of reputation
20081217 16:19:59< e7th04sh> :/
20081217 16:21:06< Soliton> posting riddles can't be that bad? :-P
20081217 16:21:19< e7th04sh> ok, i wasn't specific ;p
20081217 16:21:45< e7th04sh> but i think you know what part of it i was relating ;p
20081217 16:23:33< Soliton> not really actually but i can imagine. i don't read much of off-topic.
20081217 16:26:26< e7th04sh> all the troll-luring topics, fe. there is this Communism topic, where this guy, Thanatos said that he considers his well-being is related to living in democracy... So i wanted to know more, why exactly he thiks so, i tried to provoke him into thinking what are differences between countries where people live well (the democratic part of the world) and the rest. I asked a simple question: Why do you relate well-being with democracy? And he said i am a trol
20081217 16:26:43< e7th04sh> frustrating...
20081217 16:27:27< zookeeper> "so, i tried to provoke him into thinking"
20081217 16:28:30< e7th04sh> what about the word 'provoke' is wrong? that's actually something normal - art provokes into thinking right?
20081217 16:28:39< e7th04sh> lecture, articles
20081217 16:29:03< e7th04sh> i asked a simple qestion, cause i wanted to know he's reasoning, and perhaps explain what i agree and what i disagree
20081217 16:29:05< zookeeper> sure. in the context of a forum the most common interpretation is a bit different though.
20081217 16:29:07< e7th04sh> oh forget it
20081217 16:29:47< e7th04sh> ;/
20081217 16:30:41 * zookeeper attempts, but fails
20081217 16:33:16 * Turuk usually avoids off-topic as well.
20081217 16:33:26< Turuk> Soliton has the right idea.
20081217 16:34:02< e7th04sh> actually, there is no need for this type of off-topic in wesnoth
20081217 16:34:15< e7th04sh> if i want to debate politics i can go to some other place
20081217 16:34:22< zookeeper> meh. only people who can't handle off-topic need to avoid off-topic.
20081217 16:34:38< e7th04sh> zookeeper could you please explain that?
20081217 16:36:13 * Turuk has been suitably chastened by zookeeper.
20081217 16:36:42< Turuk> I stick to harmless threads there, like riddles.
20081217 16:39:09< e7th04sh> and that's a good policy
20081217 16:39:15< zookeeper> e7th04sh, i mean that if you need to avoid off-topic only if debating off-topic is some kind of a problem for you
20081217 16:39:34< e7th04sh> well it's not problem for me, as long as people understand what i say...
20081217 16:39:49< zookeeper> really? well, ok then. it looked like it was
20081217 16:40:15< zookeeper> and of course you can't put in a precondition like that ;)
20081217 16:40:33< Turuk> that is like saying I do not mind entering in debates, as long as everyone agrees with me :P
20081217 16:40:49< e7th04sh> ... Turuk, only sounds similar, the meaning is quite different
20081217 16:40:59< Turuk> I know, I was just poking fun
20081217 16:41:06< e7th04sh> uff ;p
20081217 16:41:41< Turuk> for what it's worth
20081217 16:41:51< Turuk> the comment about gaining your respect just made me laugh
20081217 16:41:58< e7th04sh> i know
20081217 16:42:00< Turuk> not to be mean :)
20081217 16:42:14< Turuk> but in an online setting, that loses all sting whatsoever
20081217 16:42:35< Turuk> maybe he knows your true identity?
20081217 16:42:35< e7th04sh> i know it might seem pitiful, but i just made a statement
20081217 16:42:39< e7th04sh> i hope not
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20081217 16:45:24< e7th04sh> let me put it in a metaphor - i waked into mud, and this last post was an attempt to clean my shoes provisionally
20081217 16:45:29< e7th04sh> walked*
20081217 16:46:36< Turuk> fair enough
20081217 16:47:41< e7th04sh> Villam mentioned a guy G. K. Chesterston in oen topic (the one about lego movies). I found hilarious quote of that man: "The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected."
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20081217 18:09:37< JonW> Hi I am a noob playing HttT for first time on easy got to the lost General but the drawvies (blue player) keep attacking me arn't they supposed to be on my side?
20081217 18:10:42< e7th04sh> and did you read all the storyline?
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20081217 18:12:07< JonW> I thought I did!
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20081217 18:20:16< JonW> at the end of the perivious Scenario the Dwarves said that they would help find the rod of fire thingy..... (i'm am doing this from memory yesterday....)
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20081217 18:26:35< zookeeper> Jonw, what wesnoth version?
20081217 18:26:46< JonW> 1.5.6
20081217 18:26:51< zookeeper> hmm, gimme a sec..
20081217 18:27:53< zookeeper> yeah, it's a bug in 1.5.6, it'll be fixed in the next release. if you want, you can post your savefile somewhere and i can fix it.
20081217 18:28:22< JonW> Ohhh. I found a bug!
20081217 18:29:03< JonW> is it on different dificultltys?
20081217 18:29:22< zookeeper> it's like that on all difficulties
20081217 18:29:36< zookeeper> but as i said, post your savefile somewhere and i can give you a fixed version back.
20081217 18:29:42< zookeeper> http://filebin.ca works
20081217 18:30:41< JonW> ok signing up now...
20081217 18:30:53< JonW> which save should I upload?
20081217 18:30:59< zookeeper> (or you can just fix it yourself if you don't mind doing a 1-line edit to a .cfg..)
20081217 18:31:10< zookeeper> whichever you want
20081217 18:31:27< JonW> no I don't !!!!
20081217 18:31:29< JonW> I have done a little ... a long time ago
20081217 18:31:35< JonW> which line?
20081217 18:31:50< JonW> which file edit?
20081217 18:32:25< zookeeper> data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/15_The_Lost_General.cfg, like 63
20081217 18:32:28< zookeeper> line
20081217 18:32:49< zookeeper> change that line to team_name=elves and restart the scenario completely
20081217 18:33:10< zookeeper> (but if you restart a scenario from the beginning-of-scenario save in 1.5.6, it'll mess up your starting gold)
20081217 18:35:02< JonW> oh well I'll! its my 1st pass anyways was going to have a more serious go on hard once I've finshed compain!
20081217 18:35:28< JonW> do I need to file a bug report?
20081217 18:35:30< JonW> or are you sorting it for me?
20081217 18:35:35< zookeeper> no, it was already fixed a while ago
20081217 18:35:52< zookeeper> so it'll be fixed in the next release.
20081217 18:38:29< JonW> lol trust me! I thought I might get nicer features if I went for the dev. ver!
20081217 18:39:36< zookeeper> you do get nicer features, but you might also get less nice bugs :p
20081217 18:41:33< JonW> found it at last! it had team_name=good!!! :P
20081217 18:41:35< JonW> it is fixed now!
20081217 18:46:06< JonW> ok have I got another.... bug? at the start it says you fail the scenario if Konrad, Delfador, or Kalenz die but Kalenz is no were to be seen! does he turn up latter?
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20081217 18:47:58< amnay> Hi
20081217 18:48:09< amnay> Take a look at this : http://amnay01.ifrance.com/image-stealing.png
20081217 18:48:41< amnay> they stole Battle for wesnoth's logo :)
20081217 18:49:30< thespaceinvader> amnay: we're aware http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23186
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20081217 18:52:03< zookeeper> JonW, that's another bug in 1.5.6
20081217 18:52:25< zookeeper> in the previous scenario, kalenz accidentally gets removed when the gryphon flies around
20081217 18:53:27< zookeeper> so i'm afraid you'll need to replay that one as well
20081217 18:54:03< JonW> lol!!!! has that one also been fixed now? had a long in that cfg file can't work out where I might fix it for myself :(
20081217 18:54:05< JonW> oh well maube I should have gone for the 1.4.7 ver instead! (or does that also have the same bugs?)
20081217 18:55:07< zookeeper> no, 1.4.7 doesn't have those bugs. but these two are the only ones in HttT that i'm aware of.
20081217 18:56:07< zookeeper> replace the plunging into the darkness scenario file with this one and replay that whole scenario too and you should be fine: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/trunk/data/campaigns/Heir_To_The_Throne/scenarios/14_Plunging_Into_the_Darkness.cfg?rev=31152&view=markup
20081217 18:58:21< JonW> err ok!
20081217 19:04:50< JonW> yay! kalenz is back! (so thats fixed!) now trying the rest of the scenario
20081217 19:05:07< JonW> thanks BIG help!
20081217 19:13:14< JonW> err I can still attack the blue dwveies! :P
20081217 19:13:16< JonW> lets see if they attack me!
20081217 19:13:52< Soliton> the lost general?
20081217 19:14:12< JonW> yep they do! :(
20081217 19:15:15< JonW> yes the lost general!
20081217 19:15:17< JonW> should I quit and restart BfW before trying this scenario?
20081217 19:15:34< Soliton> you fixed the cfg, right?
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20081217 19:16:14< Soliton> after that you need to start from the start-of-scenario save.
20081217 19:18:27< JonW> yeah I had to restart on plunging into darkness 2 get kalenz back anyway have redownled the cfg just about 2 try again standby.....
20081217 19:20:41< Soliton> the cfg from plungning into darknes isn't going to fix the lost general.
20081217 19:20:57< Soliton> you need to fix the team_name in the lost general.
20081217 19:22:09< Soliton> the dwarves need the same team_name as the player which is "elves".
20081217 19:23:06< JonW> did that! or at least thought I did! anyway trying again with the cfg version from online the lost general that is...
20081217 19:23:08< JonW> standby.....
20081217 19:26:57< JonW> arrrr.... I can still attack those poor dwarves!!!! not fair :(
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20081217 19:32:48< JonW> I give up! I just ignor the dwarves and just go for the s entrance and say bye to the xp!
20081217 19:37:12< JonW> downloaded BOTH of them at least I thought I had! changed both 'elves' to good now trying that.....
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20081217 20:45:38< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20081217 22:53:08< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20081217 23:14:46< Ivanovic> n8
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