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20081223 00:09:46< woden> Here goes try #4 on Into the Depths
20081223 00:09:52< woden> I don't see how anyone can beat this
20081223 00:11:08< Soliton> post your start-of-scenario save and maybe someone will show you. ;-)
20081223 00:17:27< woden> http://s5.tinypic.com/1z1729k.jpg
20081223 00:18:32< Soliton> a picture might be worth a thousand words but is quite difficult to convert to a wesnoth savegame.
20081223 00:18:47< woden> oh
20081223 00:18:49< woden> hehe
20081223 00:19:14< Rrenys> a savegame might contain more than a thousand words
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20081223 00:22:47< woden> Soliton:  In /usr/share/wesnoth ?
20081223 00:23:14< Soliton> no idea what you're talking about but i'll go with 'no'.
20081223 00:23:52< woden> Well the game is called "TSG-Into The Depths.gz"  Don't know where it is on my filesystem though.
20081223 00:24:29< Soliton> ~/.wesnoth/saves/
20081223 00:24:55< Soliton> user data is never in system dirs.
20081223 00:25:14< woden> Alright.  Got it.  how shall I post it?
20081223 00:26:08< zookeeper> ohh, 1.4.6. i assumed 1.5 for some reason.
20081223 00:26:53< Soliton> woden: you could make a forum post and attach to it or use some random filehosting service.
20081223 00:27:41< zookeeper> http://filebin.ca works
20081223 00:30:17< woden> http://filebin.ca/cstbmr/TSG-Into_The_Depths.gz
20081223 00:30:50< zookeeper> i'll give it a try :)
20081223 00:30:55< woden> alrighty
20081223 00:30:59< woden> it's tough i'm warning ya :)
20081223 00:31:08< zookeeper> can't fail with that starting gold
20081223 00:32:02< zookeeper> can't open that save though.
20081223 00:32:34< zookeeper> ah, it was a .gz inside a .gz.
20081223 00:32:36< zookeeper> how odd.
20081223 00:32:43 * Soliton opened it fine.
20081223 00:33:19< Soliton> heh, 1255 gold... indeed.
20081223 00:40:17 * zookeeper is on turn 9..
20081223 00:40:48< woden> For example, the bowmen suck.  They don't put out enough damage.
20081223 00:41:08< woden> And the elvish fighters are better but they can only move 1 hex per turn (cave terrain).
20081223 00:42:14< zookeeper> unless they're quick...and naturally all the four elves i got are not.
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20081223 00:46:15< Rrenys> Wasnt a cave-themed road-movement terrain mainlined or something?
20081223 00:46:23< zookeeper> yep
20081223 00:46:28< zookeeper> turn 16...
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20081223 00:51:35< Ivanovic> n8
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20081223 00:56:20< zookeeper> almost finished..
20081223 00:59:36< zookeeper> well, practically finished on turn 25, haven't killed m'brin himself yet.
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20081223 01:00:36< zookeeper> woden, in case replays happen to work: http://filebin.ca/qutjfa/TSG-Into_The_Depths_replay.gz
20081223 01:01:04< zookeeper> the trolls were...surprisingly effective.
20081223 01:01:57< woden> What trolls?
20081223 01:02:30< zookeeper> the...trolls. which i guess you've never seen :p
20081223 01:02:54< woden> Nope
20081223 01:03:02< woden> This is the first campaign I have ever done.
20081223 01:03:14< woden> Never saw any trolls before that I remember.
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20081223 01:03:52< zookeeper> ah well, the replay doesnt seem to play past turn 15 because of that pesky corruption bug.
20081223 01:04:12< zookeeper> anyways, still gives you an idea of how you can do the beginning, i guess
20081223 01:04:34< zookeeper> note that i played rather quickly and carelessly without thinking much, so i lost some units here and there
20081223 01:05:15< woden> ok
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20081223 01:10:07< woden> Right about 15 turns is when it starts getting hard.
20081223 01:10:35< woden> That's when all the hordes upon hordes of monsters come at you
20081223 01:11:49< zookeeper> well, i just didn't encounter any horde. a bunch of ghouls which don't do much to you. of course the trolls took care of quite a number of skeletons, but had i just recruited a bit more, or headed to either of the secondary keeps available, those wouldn't have been much trouble anyway.
20081223 01:12:11< zookeeper> shamans are really useful, although you just have to hope you get quick ones ;)
20081223 01:12:23< zookeeper> anyways, i'm off to bed, bye
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20081223 01:19:35< woden> I don't think he is playing the same game as me
20081223 01:20:07< woden> I already used up half my turns (30/60) and I only just barely fought my way through the entrance to the cave...
20081223 01:20:46 * Soliton won at turn 26.
20081223 01:21:33< woden> I don't believe it!
20081223 01:21:49< woden> There are so many monsters you can't even move through the level
20081223 01:22:24< woden> And they just hack you to pieces
20081223 01:22:29< woden> While you can only move 1 square per turn
20081223 01:22:32< Soliton> checking the replay now. will post in a bit.
20081223 01:22:34< woden> And they are flying all over the map
20081223 01:22:47< Soliton> bah, corrupted on turn 8. :-/
20081223 01:23:49< woden> How did you beat all the ghosts?
20081223 01:24:50< Soliton> white mage, bowman, etc.
20081223 01:25:19< woden> You mean the 1 white mage you get?
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20081223 01:26:01< Soliton> sure.
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20081223 01:26:36< Soliton> hmm, looks like a recall corruption.
20081223 01:27:15< Soliton> there is a bowmand where i think there really was a cavalryman.
20081223 01:27:49< Soliton> indeed.
20081223 01:28:04 * Soliton tries to fix.
20081223 01:30:58< Soliton> seems to work now...
20081223 01:31:22< Soliton> he says when the next corruption pops up...
20081223 01:32:06< Soliton> ah, the troll dialog breaks it. not sure how to fix that.
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20081223 01:37:48< Soliton> well, here it is anyway: http://filebin.ca/cezhgt/TSG-Into_The_Depths_replay.gz
20081223 01:38:41< Soliton> i guess the whole fighting undead with not so suitable units is not newbie friendly.
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20081223 01:52:41< woden> There's no way
20081223 01:52:46< woden> I can't get past the bottlenock
20081223 01:53:03< woden> There's a horde of undead on the other side
20081223 01:53:06< woden> and my guys on the other
20081223 01:53:15< woden> and only 1 hex bottleneck in between
20081223 01:53:29< Soliton> well, did you take a look at either replay?
20081223 01:53:52< woden> not yet because I am still in my game.
20081223 01:53:57< woden> i will though
20081223 01:54:41< Soliton> do you mean the very first bottleneck with the eye guardian?
20081223 01:55:05< woden> no the next one after that
20081223 01:55:13< woden> right after the mushrooms
20081223 01:57:59< Soliton> i guess you're taking too long to get past the eye guardian and the enemy is building up too much.
20081223 01:58:54< woden> i must be a total newb...i don't see how i can go faster
20081223 01:59:00< woden> the cave movement is already slow
20081223 01:59:08< woden> and the elven units are very slow in caves
20081223 01:59:18< woden> and the ghosts fly around like 15 hex per turn
20081223 01:59:22< woden> ...
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20081223 02:51:30< woden> bah i give up
20081223 02:54:55< woden> how do you open a save game in wesnoth
20081223 02:55:51< Smar> there’s ”Load game” or something on main menu
20081223 02:56:04< woden> I want to see how these guys beat Into The Depths because I think it's impossible
20081223 02:56:22< woden> Smar:  Yea Load Game....but the file that I want to load isn't listed there and there is no browse button.
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20081223 02:56:45< Smar> then you don’t have the save
20081223 02:57:21< woden> Yes I do.  I have 2 of them.
20081223 02:57:28< woden> They are on my Desktop
20081223 02:57:50< Smar> move them to save dir then
20081223 02:58:01< woden> Which is where?
20081223 02:58:37< Smar> ~/.wesnoth1.5/saves/
20081223 03:00:25< woden> Hm they are corrupt
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20081223 03:11:56< Soliton> woden: yes, that's what we've been saying. you can still see the start fine though.
20081223 03:13:06< woden> Soliton: I moved them to the saved games directory and tried to load them but they would not load at all.  It gave an error about corrupted file.
20081223 03:13:32< woden> I think I'm going to start the entire Campaign all over again from scratch and try to build up some high level units.  Into the Depths is HARD.
20081223 03:14:23< Soliton> woden: unpack them and try again.
20081223 03:17:30< woden> says it has a file called 0 with 500 something kbytes, when I try to unpack it, it has an error about "Null"
20081223 03:17:34< Soliton> i used wget to download the file and that went fine but it's possible saving from a browser screws something up.
20081223 03:17:47< woden> I use epiphany
20081223 03:20:39< Soliton> do "wget http://filebin.ca/cezhgt/TSG-Into_The_Depths_replay.gz -P ~/.wesnoth/saves" and see if that helps.
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20081223 03:36:25< woden> Ok I got it
20081223 03:36:42< woden> I don't know how you were able to do it
20081223 03:41:02< Soliton> but you can see the first moves now?
20081223 03:43:43< Soliton> bah, now i did a run without trolls and the replay starts off with minimum gold for some reason...
20081223 03:56:54< Soliton> ok, fixed that. now a completely working replay: http://filebin.ca/nzebp/TSG-Into_The_Depths_replay.gz
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20081223 04:02:01< woden> What happens when you promote a unit to a rank that you haven't revealed in the game yet?
20081223 04:02:22< woden> Like, if you get 80/80 experience, but the next rank level says ? for it
20081223 04:04:51< voris> It becomes known to you.
20081223 04:05:12< voris> As does all the other possibilities if it has multiple possible options.
20081223 04:05:21< voris> s/does/do
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20081223 04:19:37< Archaeologist> How goes it?
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20081223 04:27:47< Archaeologist> Anyone?
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20081223 04:45:28< woden> So what happens when you get to 150/150 experience  but there is no upgrade listed in the unit description?
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20081223 04:49:46< [Relic]> Hello :)
20081223 05:02:04< voris> At that point the unit dies from exhaustion.
20081223 05:02:09< voris> It's like old age.
20081223 05:02:20< voris> Be careful not to gain too much experience!
20081223 05:12:49< woden> I dont believe you
20081223 05:21:14< woden> when you press ctrl + v what do the yellow numbers stand for
20081223 05:34:31< AI0867> the number of units that can reach that hex
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20081223 06:11:17< Archaeologist> What Hex?
20081223 06:14:43< woden> hmm no hotkeys for setting map scroll?
20081223 06:14:51< woden> default is arrows, wanted to change it
20081223 06:39:52< Archaeologist> So I'm working on a campaign of sorts.  Any advice?
20081223 06:43:46< jon316> I like non-default units :)
20081223 06:47:53< Archaeologist> How hard is it to create custom units?
20081223 06:48:28< Archaeologist> I have a friend who will create custom portraits for dialogue, but he's not that accustomed to sprite work.
20081223 06:49:07< DDR> You can recolor existing art, or just use it as is... and you can just copy an existing custom era.
20081223 06:49:16< DDR> Making the needed changes.
20081223 06:49:33< DDR> I do not htink it's too hard. But it will take some time.
20081223 06:50:42< Archaeologist> Understood.
20081223 06:51:03< Archaeologist> I'm not aiming for epic, at most 7-10 levels depending on how some of the maps and balancing goes
20081223 06:51:15< Archaeologist> more pragmatically 5-7
20081223 06:56:39< Archaeologist> .... sure is slow in here.
20081223 07:02:13< Archaeologist> Does anyone have any advice on how to create realistic "caves" ?
20081223 07:03:25< Archaeologist> I swear I remember some campaigns which had unique cave tiles, mine shafts, and giant stone doors.  Yet I can't find them in the editor
20081223 07:05:41< DDR> You can make your own terrains, as well as units.
20081223 07:06:15< DDR> I think that Invasion From The Unknown might have the terrain you want?
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20081223 07:06:42< DDR> It is slow here... :/
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20081223 07:11:48< Archaeologist> I'm just trying to figure out how to make a somewhat believable cave for a opening cutscene
20081223 07:12:18< Archaeologist> Though I suppose I could just make one of him walking around
20081223 07:12:42< Archaeologist> Got an intro-in it's rough draft stages, writing the rest of the plot from there.
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20081223 07:17:59< DDR> Hm, good luck. I puzzled around with intros and all that a while ago... I made a rather bad movie player in WML, I forget what happened to it.
20081223 07:18:10< Archaeologist> WML?
20081223 07:18:20< DDR> Wesnoth Markup Language.
20081223 07:18:23< Archaeologist> ah
20081223 07:18:37< DDR> It had timing issues.
20081223 07:18:38< Archaeologist> It just would be an intro level scripted out.
20081223 07:18:53< DDR> Yes, that is the right way...
20081223 07:19:12< Archaeologist> I hope I'm not chewing off too much.  Is it really that hard to make Wesnoth campaigns?
20081223 07:19:34< Archaeologist> I partly was driven to do it all because a couple of the campaigns have such poor writing.
20081223 07:19:46< DDR> No, not really.
20081223 07:19:55< Archaeologist> So people are just lazy?
20081223 07:20:05< DDR> In a nutshell, yes.
20081223 07:20:46< DDR> The general way to make a campaign it to get it playable, with rough story and dialogue, then add in the fancy effects and graphics.
20081223 07:23:17< DDR> Good luck, Archaeologist. I need to go for a bit.
20081223 07:23:25< Archaeologist> Thank you.
20081223 07:23:28< Archaeologist> Will do
20081223 07:23:32< Archaeologist> thanks for the tip
20081223 07:31:52< woden> If you recall a unit for the "Tidings, Good and Ill", will it be available for the next scenario "Into the Depths" ?
20081223 07:37:39< Archaeologist> No clue
20081223 07:37:49< Archaeologist> What campaign is it for?
20081223 07:38:18< woden> The first one
20081223 07:38:22< woden> After the tutorial
20081223 07:38:29< Archaeologist> Heir to the throne, or the elf one?
20081223 07:38:37< Archaeologist> or hte rise of wesnoth?
20081223 07:38:41< woden> nope
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20081223 07:40:42< woden> The South Guard
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20081223 07:54:40< woden> The answer is No.
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20081223 10:30:09< Ivanovic> moin
20081223 10:30:16< Unnheulu> moi
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20081223 12:32:17< Unnheulu> w00t
20081223 12:32:21< Unnheulu> 2 days till christmas
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20081223 13:09:11< Elven_> hello everyone
20081223 13:09:28< Elven_> i have one problem... well, two of them...
20081223 13:10:11< Elven_> i like to change terrain to grassland, but it is not working :(
20081223 13:10:18< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d566fafe6
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20081223 15:20:37< voris> Elven_: read http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/DirectActionsWML again
20081223 15:20:55< voris> You will see your syntax error then.
20081223 15:21:22< Elven_> ou. repaired now :)
20081223 15:21:41< voris> Good good.
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20081223 15:42:37< mib_vcvqijtd> hi, is someone here?
20081223 15:47:38< Elven_> yep
20081223 15:48:20< mib_vcvqijtd> nice
20081223 15:48:34< mib_vcvqijtd> do you know if the mp server is down?
20081223 15:48:58< mib_vcvqijtd> been unable to connect for a couple days
20081223 15:56:12< Elven_> i player with friend yesterday
20081223 15:56:16< Elven_> and works okay
20081223 15:56:56< mib_vcvqijtd> in the main server?
20081223 15:57:09< mib_vcvqijtd> I keep getting the "could not connect to host" stuff
20081223 16:00:43 * voris is connecting fine
20081223 16:05:41< Elven_> voris: how can I disallow recall of a single unit? a hero, who in the last scenario "go other way than others" ?
20081223 16:07:13< voris> No idea.
20081223 16:07:22< voris> I haven't coded recall stuff.
20081223 16:12:41< fendrin__> Elven_: kill ?
20081223 16:15:37< Elven_> in the new or old scenario?
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20081223 16:17:33< fendrin__> Elven_: both will work well.
20081223 16:20:25< Elven_> working, thanks :)
20081223 16:21:28< Elven_> and fendrin__ please look at this. how it looks? http://elven.blog.root.cz/files/2008/12/1.jpg
20081223 16:21:39< fendrin__> Elven_: you can kill the unit but store it in a variable. This way the unit can reapear several scenarios later.
20081223 16:22:18< Elven_> how can killed unit be recalled later? strange to me...
20081223 16:22:46< fendrin__> Elven_: You are coding some kind of charakter generation?
20081223 16:24:08< Elven_> coding... yes :) it is just in the first scenario. i can send you that code if you wish (or you can see it in the campaign "the three elves"
20081223 16:26:47< fendrin__> Elven_: I have some old code for wesnoth 1.2 that did excactly that. But I would code that in another way at the moment.
20081223 16:27:26< Elven_> sure. my code is very simple, maybe simplier than yours
20081223 16:28:36< fendrin__> Elven_: It's not the complexity of the code. I would do that in another way. You and my older me tried it with option messages.
20081223 16:29:01< fendrin__> Elven_: I better way to do it maybe some kind of alma.
20081223 16:29:15< Elven_> yes, just option
20081223 16:29:18< Elven_> good luck :
20081223 16:29:19< Elven_> :)
20081223 16:38:05< Elven_> how can i add some gold to one of the sides at turn 10?
20081223 16:38:26< AI0867> [event] name=turn 10  [gold] side=3 amount=100
20081223 16:39:03< Elven_> great, thanks AI0867
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20081223 19:55:29< Elven_> hello... what is a good elvish unit against orc assassins?
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20081223 20:14:49< voris> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/How_to_play...
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