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20081229 00:04:15< Elven_> hello
20081229 00:04:21< Elven_> problem with recalling
20081229 00:05:02< Elven_> why is it, that i can recall another units in my first castle and different when capturing another castle???
20081229 00:06:46< fendrin> That should not be possible.
20081229 00:07:40< Elven_> i know but... it is working like that. i do not know
20081229 00:07:50< Elven_> well, it is in the 6th scenario
20081229 00:08:05< Elven_> i can recall units from 4th scenario in my main castle
20081229 00:08:24< Elven_> but when capturing another castle, i can summon also units from 5th scenario
20081229 00:11:39< Elven_> any idea about how to fix it?
20081229 00:11:58< Elven_> in 4th and 5th scenario are different leaders
20081229 00:12:13< Elven_> leader from 4th is leader in 6th too
20081229 00:12:41< Elven_> and leader from 5th is just one of the units in 6th scenario
20081229 00:16:31< Elven_> Elvish_Pillager: are you here?
20081229 00:17:01< Elvish_Pillager> :o
20081229 00:17:37< Elvish_Pillager> that sounds like either a bug, or something specifically implemented in the scenario
20081229 00:18:55< Elven_> okay, can you look at my code please?
20081229 00:20:52< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/m5d94cd5d - scenario 4
20081229 00:21:17< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/m152db5f9 - scenario 5
20081229 00:21:43< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/m656b0cf3 - scenario 6
20081229 00:22:04< Elven_> leaders: 4: Merhil, 5: Samin Leafstel, 6: Merhil.
20081229 00:22:14< Elven_> player is playing for side 1 still
20081229 00:22:54< Elvish_Pillager> you should put save_id in the side tags
20081229 00:23:01< Ivanovic> n8
20081229 00:23:08< Elvish_Pillager> I don't remember what it defaults to, and that could screw you up
20081229 00:23:21< Elven_> okay, many thanks
20081229 00:26:03< Elven_> i found something in the south guard campaign
20081229 00:26:21< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d23fe8012
20081229 00:29:12< Elven_> looking at the south guard. it looks very useful to me, but it is not as easy
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20081229 09:54:51< Ivanovic> moin
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20081229 10:50:56< Elven_> hello everyone
20081229 10:51:10< Elven_> is here anybody who can help with creating own unit?
20081229 10:52:00< Espreon> Yes.
20081229 10:52:42< Elven_> i modified elvish ranger, and add it into .wesnoth/data/campaigns/The_Three_Elves/units/elves/Grey Ranger.cfg
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20081229 10:53:09< Espreon> Meh... you might want to change the filename to Grey_Ranger.cfg.
20081229 10:53:21< Elven_> hehe thanks :)
20081229 10:53:38< Espreon> But really, what is wrong with it?
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20081229 10:54:26< Elven_> changed but not working
20081229 10:54:36< Elven_> problem is that i cannot recruit this unit
20081229 10:54:46< Elven_> 		recruit=Elvish Shaman,Mage,Elvish Archer,Elvish Fighter,Merman Hunter,Mage,Grey Ranger
20081229 10:54:55< Espreon> Would you please throw some stuff on a pastebin?
20081229 10:54:57< Elven_> well now i cannot recruit ANY unit :(
20081229 10:55:02< Elven_> okay
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20081229 10:55:30< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d217471bd
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20081229 10:58:45< Elven_> i think that it is ok
20081229 10:59:22< Espreon> By any chance, does the Grey Ranger have different sprites than the regular Ranger?
20081229 11:00:13< Elven_> sprites?
20081229 11:00:15< Elven_> images?
20081229 11:00:20< Espreon> Yes.
20081229 11:00:23< Elven_> yes
20081229 11:00:30< Espreon> All right.
20081229 11:00:43< Espreon> Wouldst thou throw the scenario file on pastebin?
20081229 11:01:36< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d7dcd3fcd
20081229 11:01:43< Elven_> but it is only in one line
20081229 11:01:54< Elven_> 		recruit=Elvish Shaman,Mage,Elvish Archer,Elvish Fighter,Merman Hunter,Mage,Grey Ranger
20081229 11:02:24< Espreon> Can side one recruit?
20081229 11:02:44< Elven_> yes
20081229 11:02:47< Elven_> all is working
20081229 11:02:57< Elven_> and side 2 if GR is deleted
20081229 11:02:57< Espreon> Hmmm...
20081229 11:03:21< Elven_> cache has been deleted :)
20081229 11:03:30< Elven_> but still the same
20081229 11:03:30< Espreon> That file could sure use a wmlindent run. :)
20081229 11:03:45< Elven_> what?
20081229 11:04:22< Espreon> Run wmlindent on the file.
20081229 11:04:31< Espreon> Also, wmllint might find the problem.
20081229 11:05:28< Espreon> Elven_: Which OS do you use?
20081229 11:05:42< Elven_> Greenie :)
20081229 11:05:49< Elven_> ubuntu intrepid based
20081229 11:06:13< Espreon> All right, fire up the terminal, and cd into the directory that contains wesnoth.
20081229 11:06:46< Elven_> you mean /usr/share/games/wesnoth now?
20081229 11:06:52< Espreon> Yes.
20081229 11:07:12< Espreon> Then, cd into data/tools/
20081229 11:08:36< Elven_> ok. now i chmoded it too :)
20081229 11:09:15< Espreon> Now... type wmlindent path2campaigndir
20081229 11:12:01< Elven_> ok i run it but nothing happens
20081229 11:12:47< Espreon> Did the terminal spit anything at you?
20081229 11:13:18< Espreon> Also type wmllint path2campaigndir
20081229 11:13:45< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d2cca7852
20081229 11:14:33< Espreon> ...
20081229 11:14:36< Espreon> That is not good.
20081229 11:15:02< Elven_> so what i have to do?
20081229 11:15:06< Elven_> using wesnoth 1.4.5
20081229 11:15:26< Espreon> Ummm... if that happens... then... yeah...
20081229 11:15:57< Ivanovic> Elven_: are you sure the file exists and you got capitalization right?
20081229 11:16:02< Espreon> Also type wmllint path2campaigndir
20081229 11:16:05< Ivanovic> since, you know, linux is case sensitive and such
20081229 11:16:32< Elven_> yes i know
20081229 11:16:51< Ivanovic> try to just run this: ./wmlindent /home/stano/.wesnoth/data/campaign/The_Three_Elves
20081229 11:17:20< Elven_> permission denied
20081229 11:17:24< Elven_> i will add sudo
20081229 11:17:28< Ivanovic> WOOT?!?
20081229 11:17:29< Ivanovic> wait
20081229 11:17:31< Ivanovic> no
20081229 11:17:37< Ivanovic> check permissions for this folder first
20081229 11:17:46< Ivanovic> ls -la /home/stano/.wesnoth
20081229 11:17:52< Ivanovic> ls -la /home/stano/.wesnoth/data/
20081229 11:17:58< Ivanovic> ls -la /home/stano/.wesnoth/data/campaigns/
20081229 11:18:22< Ivanovic> btw: it is 'campaigns', not 'campaign'
20081229 11:18:22< Elven_> owner is still stano
20081229 11:18:33< Ivanovic> and do you have write permissions?
20081229 11:18:50< Ivanovic> and, even more important: check that the paths you entered are correct!
20081229 11:18:51< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d13716b54
20081229 11:19:00< Ivanovic> like i said: campaigns, not campaign, stuff like this
20081229 11:20:58< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d27249bd4
20081229 11:21:16< Ivanovic> Elven_: "./"
20081229 11:21:18< Elven_> it do not want to work with that 2 tools
20081229 11:21:26< zookeeper> why the heck would anyone even write so screwed up code that they'd need wmllint? that's always been completely beyond me.
20081229 11:22:40< Ivanovic> Elven_: to start a prog in the current folder (that is not part of $PATH) you got to prefix it with ./
20081229 11:23:01< zookeeper> oops, s/wmllint/wmlindent
20081229 11:24:41< Elven_> so wmllint or wmlindent?
20081229 11:24:44< Elven_> i am not VIM user :D
20081229 11:24:48< Ivanovic> Elven_: uhm, in your scenario file: side=human and [ai] tags in there?
20081229 11:25:04< Elven_> both side 1 and side 2 is controlled by human
20081229 11:25:07< Ivanovic> Elven_: first wmlindent (to get indention correct)
20081229 11:26:36< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d2f7cd3db
20081229 11:27:03< Ivanovic> Elven_: make sure that the file is executable
20081229 11:27:19< Ivanovic> ls -l * (in the folder with wmlindent)
20081229 11:27:31< Ivanovic> is the execute bit set?
20081229 11:28:07< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d5f1757e1
20081229 11:28:37< Ivanovic> ahh, lovely
20081229 11:28:51< Ivanovic> so the python plugin for wesnoth is not installed correctly, so this tool can not work
20081229 11:29:14< Ivanovic> Elven_: have you made sure that you added the [+units] block to your campaigns main file?
20081229 11:29:21< Elven_> or it have bad permission
20081229 11:29:37< Elven_> ivanovic: damn i forgotten it!
20081229 11:29:40< Elven_> many thanks
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20081229 11:30:02< Espreon> Now let us see the results.
20081229 11:30:03< Elven_> i made it as it was in forgotten legacy, but i do not manipulate with _main
20081229 11:33:00< Espreon> Meh... good bye.
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20081229 11:36:38< Elven_> working! but... :)
20081229 11:36:56< Elven_> that ranger looks like ghost :)
20081229 11:37:04< Elven_> so something with images is not OK
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20081229 11:41:12< Elven_> any idea?
20081229 11:41:29< Elven_> images are here: /home/stano/.wesnoth/data/campaigns/The_Three_Elves/images/greyranger
20081229 11:41:52< Elven_> called greyranger-bow.png etc
20081229 11:42:14< Elven_> from unit cfg:             image="greyranger/grayranger-bow.png"
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20081229 11:46:55< Elven_> Espreon, Ivanovic, zookeeper: any idea? :)
20081229 11:48:34< zookeeper> yeah: figure it out.
20081229 11:51:22< Elven_> ehm?
20081229 11:52:07< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/def245f1
20081229 11:54:00< Elven_> permissions are ok, placement and links too. so i again cannot find the problem :(
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20081229 14:38:39< Elven_> hello kitty_ :)
20081229 14:38:53< kitty_> hello elven. :) 
20081229 14:40:01< Elven_> have you got any new elvish portraits?
20081229 14:40:20< Elven_> looking something for unit based on avenger
20081229 14:40:38< kitty_> no, they are done apart from the sylph - and she has to wait till she gets her new sprite...
20081229 14:41:14< kitty_> and i won't do a seperate l3 for the avenger, i think - too much to do
20081229 14:41:28< Elven_> okay, thanks
20081229 14:42:08< zookeeper> kitty_, i presume you're going to do the rest of the troll line next?
20081229 14:42:43< zookeeper> (the whelp is really cool now btw)
20081229 14:43:16< kitty_> zookeper - hmm, the whelp was done out of a caprice and jetryl hasn't said anything yet... and iftu waits, too. i really don't know.
20081229 14:43:24< fendrin> zookeeper: There was a thread about troll portraits that looked promising beside the one that kitty started.
20081229 14:43:35< kitty_> but i surly would like to  :) 
20081229 14:43:36< zookeeper> kitty_, ah, ok.
20081229 14:44:11< zookeeper> i was just wondering, the troll line is kinda tricky since at first glance each of the units would kinda warrant a unique portrait.
20081229 14:44:23< kitty_> fendrin - i know but the guy was away for quite a while, then posted a bit of shading and hasn't said anything since...
20081229 14:44:24< zookeeper> lvl2 troll has the club, warrior has a big hammer and the rocklobber has neither
20081229 14:44:43< zookeeper> but maybe the lvl2 troll and rocklobber could share a generic adult troll portrait without weapons, or something.
20081229 14:44:48< zookeeper> anyways, afk ->
20081229 14:45:29< kitty_> zookeeper - yes. at least troll and rocklobber. but the troll could be heavily based on the old one (by fumoz?).
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20081229 14:46:13< fendrin> kitty_: maybe you should order a developer to commit the new saurian portraits. I believe the artist considers them ready.
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20081229 14:47:16< kitty_> fendrin: i can't commit and spaceinvader will do a few changes on the skirmisher after the holidays. then they'll get in together.
20081229 14:48:24< fendrin> It's nice to see how active that portrait arts buisiness is these days. That hasn't been the case since long.
20081229 14:49:16< kitty_> yeah -  it took a while - but with lordbob and spaceinvaders improvement it's getting great!
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20081229 14:52:40< fendrin> kitty_: With the new drawing engine it might be possible to put a portrait to the north end of the screen. That way one could display the image of the Wose you made for LoW and DM in a fitting way?
20081229 14:53:25< kitty_> fendrin: north end? you mean the top?
20081229 14:53:42< fendrin> I must admit that I don't like that portrait of Ur-Thurudor. But many people loved it and wanted it even be the mainline portrait for all woses.
20081229 14:53:53< fendrin> kitty_: yes, I mean the top of the screen.
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20081229 14:55:31< kitty_> fendrin:i remember that discussion... its a pitty that the work is wasted (at least from my pov) but i think we should *really* try to keep it consistent and at the bottom. that's the whole point of the portrait overhaul imho...
20081229 14:55:53< kitty_> and where did you see the new portrait engine in action?
20081229 14:56:36< fendrin> kitty_: It's commited to trunk.
20081229 14:56:53< fendrin> kitty_: you are in windows?
20081229 14:57:32< kitty_> fendin: i'm on a mac. that means one could compile it (is that even the right word?) oneself?
20081229 14:58:22< fendrin> kitty_: yes, you would have to need to compile it yourself. Or you ask a mac user for a working binary. Maybe the later is a better solution if you have never compiled for yourself.
20081229 14:59:05< fendrin> kitty_: but if you like to compile it I can try to talk you through the process.
20081229 14:59:06< kitty_> i'll wait till it is finished. i don't touch that technical stuff, too complicated!
20081229 14:59:14< kitty_> but thanks for the offer!
20081229 15:43:05< zookeeper> whenever mordante and co get some issues worked out 1.5.7 will be released and the new portrait engine will be used in it.
20081229 15:46:12< zookeeper> but yeah, that lordbob guy is definitely a great addition to the portrait effort.
20081229 15:50:48< kitty_> and he looks truly motivated - his workpace is pretty amazing!
20081229 15:55:46< zookeeper> yeah, well, i hope he keeps it up
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20081229 17:08:09< woden> How does the percentage on terrain affect attacking and defending?
20081229 17:08:33< Ivanovic> it affects how often a unit is hit
20081229 17:08:59< Ivanovic> with a defense value of 60% for a unit on a hex, it is not hit in 60% of all (normal) tries
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20081229 17:09:31< keb> isnt that a 60% bonus to defense?
20081229 17:10:23< woden> So, how does the terrain that you are on affect how you attack another unit?
20081229 17:10:32< Rrenys> it doesnt
20081229 17:10:48< woden> Why does the "Wesnoth Common Sense Strategy Guide" say it does?
20081229 17:11:00< woden> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9354
20081229 17:11:34< woden> 1b.  Don't do stupid things with units
20081229 17:11:52< Rrenys> Oh, it does of course matter if you mean attack in that sense
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20081229 17:12:01< Rrenys> I thought you meant 1 strike, my bad probably
20081229 17:12:56< woden> So the terrain you are on affects your attack?
20081229 17:13:25< Rrenys> it affects how much you get hit
20081229 17:13:35< Rrenys> it doesnt matter if youre attacking or defending
20081229 17:13:51< keb> yep the enemy hits back during your attack
20081229 17:14:16< woden> Oh, I get it
20081229 17:14:39< keb> so unless you can score a kill easily, better to always be on favourable terrain
20081229 17:14:55< woden> Alrighty, got it now thanks
20081229 17:17:59< keb> if a defense value is 60% and your attacker has a marksman with 70% accuracy, how often do you get hit?
20081229 17:18:42< keb> *terrain defense value
20081229 17:19:09< woden> How can you tell what the defenense percentage is of an enemy unit on a particular hex?
20081229 17:19:32< woden> I think I read that marksman's always hit with 70% no matter what...yes?
20081229 17:19:38< Elven_> yes
20081229 17:19:43< Elven_> but no
20081229 17:19:48< keb> you can look up their unit type on that terrain
20081229 17:19:57< Elven_> if defense is 60, marksman have 70 perc chance
20081229 17:20:04< zookeeper> select an enemy unit and hover around the terrain
20081229 17:20:08< Elven_> if defense is 20, marksman have 80
20081229 17:20:14< zookeeper> look in upper right
20081229 17:20:40< zookeeper> elven, how about not lying to the new guy
20081229 17:21:01< Elven_> lying?
20081229 17:21:18< zookeeper> marksman has min 60% cth
20081229 17:21:36< Elven_> ups...
20081229 17:21:47< Elven_> i am sorry. marksman have 60%
20081229 17:21:49< keb> oh maybe its magic that has 70% cth
20081229 17:21:55< zookeeper> so yeah, if the enemy has 20% defense then a marksman has 80% chance to hit (cth)
20081229 17:21:57< zookeeper> yes
20081229 17:22:03< zookeeper> magical _always_ has 70%
20081229 17:22:29< Elven_> always? even if enemy have defence 20?
20081229 17:22:50< Ivanovic> jupp
20081229 17:23:04< Elven_> hmmm that is new to me. thanks
20081229 17:23:16< keb> so that 60% marksman cth is a minimum even if the terrain says the defender has 70%?
20081229 17:23:28< Ivanovic> because it just depends on the ability to use magic from the magical unit, not the one being attacked (doging not possible when the spell is done right!)
20081229 17:23:39< Ivanovic> keb: correct
20081229 17:23:58< Elven_> if terrain is 70, it will be great for enemies WITHOUT makrsman attack
20081229 17:24:33< woden> Are there any good guides for playing loyalists?
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20081229 17:24:57< Elven_> but that magic... if orcish grunt is on water and have 20 perc defense. what chance to hit him have swordsman and what mage?
20081229 17:25:06< Elven_> woden: yes, on wesnoth wiki
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20081229 17:25:21< woden> I thought that one was out of date?
20081229 17:25:47< Elven_> http://wesnoth.org/wiki/How_to_play_Loyalists
20081229 17:27:03< woden> Yes that one
20081229 17:27:26< Elven_> i think that this informations are OK
20081229 17:27:32< Elven_> it is a well guide
20081229 17:27:58< Elven_> or good guide? my english is not very good :)
20081229 17:28:07< Elven_> or very well? :D
20081229 17:28:33< keb> good
20081229 17:28:41< keb> and good
20081229 17:30:53< woden> I lose a lot in multiplayer.  I play loyalists every time.
20081229 17:31:54< keb> maybe you should be less loyal :P
20081229 17:32:49< woden> :)
20081229 17:32:51< woden> Could be.
20081229 17:33:00< woden> I like playing humans though
20081229 17:34:00< keb> but elves are better looking
20081229 17:34:26 * keb ducks
20081229 17:34:54< woden> matter of opinion hehe
20081229 17:35:59< woden> I think Éowyn is better looking than Arwen (LotR)
20081229 17:36:45< keb> hmm
20081229 17:37:23< woden> If I was Aragorn, I would have gone for Éowyn
20081229 17:39:06< keb> she would age too quickly for him but i know what you mean
20081229 17:39:45< woden> He was human too though.
20081229 17:40:25< woden> That gives me a good idea for a loyalist unit.
20081229 17:40:25< Elven_> and what about galadriel? :)
20081229 17:40:28< woden> Shield Maiden
20081229 17:40:52< Elven_> woden: today i was creating grey ranger (aragorn) into my campaign :)
20081229 17:41:06< woden> Right on
20081229 17:42:04< woden> I don't think the loyalists have any female units, right?
20081229 17:42:30< Elven_> they have
20081229 17:42:32< Elven_> female mages
20081229 17:43:05< woden> the mages I recruit in multiplayer always end up as males
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20081229 17:47:07< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20081229 17:48:32< Elven_> hi
20081229 17:49:22< woden> I guess I need to play more conservatively
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20081229 18:00:49< JonW> woden ... yep I had the same problem.... I just try to make sure my payers are on as good as poss but i'm now in last sn of HttT with only 6 vets (lvl3) I don't think it's enough even on easy!!!
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20081229 18:02:34< woden> I stopped player the single player campaigns for now...multiplayer is fun even though I am a newbie
20081229 18:05:27< JonW> lol ;) I guess!!! but the only way to have a chance on multi is to beat the AI in da campaigns thats where u learn the trade!
20081229 18:06:55< JonW> I might give it a try after I've finished some campaigns :P
20081229 18:06:57< JonW> hopefully not too many peeps will bash me into the ground ;)!
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20081229 19:34:09< woden> The elf faction can move on the same turn as being recruited?
20081229 19:35:51< zookeeper> no.
20081229 19:35:59< zookeeper> factions don't move, units do.
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20081229 19:36:20< zookeeper> and no, no unit can move on the turn on which it's recruited.
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20081229 19:37:41< woden> so how did this player move on the same turn as recruiting?
20081229 19:38:09< zookeeper> maybe he was playing some special scenario which makes it possible.
20081229 19:38:22< zookeeper> or maybe he just moved his leader.
20081229 19:39:20< woden> no it was not his leader
20081229 19:39:28< woden> this is isar's cross on the official server
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20081229 19:40:00< zookeeper> well, in that case my guess is that you're seeing things, and he didn't actually do it
20081229 19:40:06< woden> he recruited an elvish fighter on his first turn, and it moved to take the village 13,15 village
20081229 19:40:06< zookeeper> sorry ;)
20081229 19:40:26< zookeeper> is the game still running?
20081229 19:40:50< voris> If you did not get an out of sync error I am pretty sure you're seeing things. :)
20081229 19:40:54< woden> yes
20081229 19:40:59< woden> still running
20081229 19:41:40< zookeeper> no he didn't.
20081229 19:41:47< zookeeper> he only moved his leader the first turn.
20081229 19:41:55< woden> okay
20081229 19:42:01< woden> i was seeing things i guess
20081229 19:44:08< woden> sorry for the false report
20081229 19:44:14< voris> Yeah, 13,15 was taken in turn two. :)
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20081229 19:45:34< zookeeper> woden, btw you can chat in-game too and even just to your team, so you could have asked him too
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20081229 19:51:41< woden> Why do people quit the game just because they are losing?
20081229 19:52:22< zookeeper> because they're lamers.
20081229 19:52:32< keb> people havent learned how to lose gracefully or retreat and recover
20081229 19:53:06< keb> but also, one might ask, whats in it for them to stay?
20081229 19:56:45< woden> courtesy?
20081229 19:57:02< zookeeper> not being an annoying arse?
20081229 19:59:50< woden> I guess registered nicks would help this issue?
20081229 20:07:45< Baufo> I doubt it will
20081229 20:08:08< Baufo> but we will see
20081229 20:10:09< Baufo> btw, I really think we should try to just ban people for quiting
20081229 20:10:22< Baufo> if it becomes known we do maybe they will stop
20081229 20:10:59< zookeeper> then they'll just disconnect and say that their connection dropped.
20081229 20:11:29< Rrenys> plus many go into indefinite afk on the treshold of loss
20081229 20:11:46< Rrenys> Which is even more annyoing
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20081229 20:13:16< woden> How about implementing an honor system that is tied to the registered account?
20081229 20:13:24< zookeeper> no
20081229 20:13:41< Baufo> people will abuse it
20081229 20:13:45< zookeeper> every sort of honor/karma/whatever system has been discussed before, the result is always the same (we don't want one)
20081229 20:14:33< woden> Will registered nicks/accounts be required to play on the official server?
20081229 20:15:08< zookeeper> no
20081229 20:15:26< zookeeper> but you can tell registered and unregistered people apart
20081229 20:17:17< woden> Will any sort of information about the registered person be available?  Date of registrations, # of games, etc...?
20081229 20:17:30< zookeeper> probably not.
20081229 20:18:03< zookeeper> the MP server uses the forum accounts, so you can always go view the forum account of that person to view registration dates etc
20081229 20:18:04< Baufo> date of registration is currently available
20081229 20:18:13< Baufo> from in game
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20081229 20:18:18< zookeeper> really? cool
20081229 20:18:34< Baufo>  /info <name>
20081229 20:19:22 * Unnheulu|Laptop wonders whether I was right to sign up Unnheulu on the forum even if I won't use the account
20081229 20:20:12< Unnheulu|Laptop> And on a lighter note, Cobra is on vacation xD
20081229 20:22:00< Baufo> Unnheulu|Laptop, yesy you should if want to "reserve" you name in the wesnoth community
20081229 20:22:07< Baufo> yes,*
20081229 20:22:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> ok
20081229 20:22:21< Unnheulu|Laptop> 'Cause I already have an account I regularly use ;)
20081229 20:22:42< Baufo> hmm
20081229 20:23:06< voris> I have my own honor system. It's called using the ignore function. :)
20081229 20:24:50< Baufo> heh
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20081229 20:29:50< Kest> hi
20081229 20:30:09< woden> hi
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20081229 20:31:53< gregor2005> hi, can i convert old savegames for the new version?
20081229 20:31:55< Kest> how do I make it so multiplayer team colors show everyone on your team instead of each player?
20081229 20:32:44< Kest> (Like how it normal shows red for p1, blue for p2, green for p1. How do I make it so red is t1 and blue is t2?
20081229 20:34:03< voris> You don't.
20081229 20:34:29< Rrenys> Cant you assign the same color to many teams?
20081229 20:34:40< Kest> that's unfortunate.
20081229 20:34:41< voris> I'm seeming to remember not.
20081229 20:34:46< voris> But maybe.
20081229 20:34:56< voris> If you host the game you can assign colors to each player.
20081229 20:35:11< voris> So you can try assigning the same color to each member of a team.
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20081229 20:35:19< Rrenys> And even if you cant, you can edit the teamcolors cfg so that 2 colors would seem the same, but that wont work if you want to distribute it via addon server
20081229 20:36:13< voris> Yeah, I guess that works.
20081229 20:36:34< voris> I don't know why I had it stuck in my head it would swap colors if you picked one already assigned.
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20081229 20:50:21< woden> Another person left for no apparent reason
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20081229 21:01:11< Rrenys> That is such a wrong attitude
20081229 21:01:30< Rrenys> "Another person left for a reason far too complex for me to comprehend" !
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20081229 21:04:01< woden> Maybe I was playing god?
20081229 21:04:14< Rrenys> Obviously
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20081229 21:31:40< woden> Hmm
20081229 21:31:59< woden> Why do multiplayer games get put into the Load Game menu?
20081229 21:32:12< woden> Now I can't resume my Campaign from single player.
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20081229 22:09:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> hi elv
20081229 22:09:15< Unnheulu|Laptop> hi Elvish_Pillager
20081229 22:09:20< Unnheulu|Laptop> hi kitty_
20081229 22:09:24< Unnheulu|Laptop> hi Baufo
20081229 22:09:32< Unnheulu|Laptop> hi Rhonda_
20081229 22:09:35< kitty_>  hi xer
20081229 22:09:40< Baufo> hey Unnheulu|Laptop :)
20081229 22:09:42< fendrin_> hallo
20081229 22:09:45< Rhonda> Someone kick that hilight spammer
20081229 22:09:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> hehehe
20081229 22:10:05 * Unnheulu|Laptop kicks himself :D
20081229 22:10:52 * Rhonda pokes Ivanovic
20081229 22:11:10< Rhonda> But thanks for reminding me.
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20081229 22:11:29< Unnheulu|Laptop> haha
20081229 22:11:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> you can't even spell my name
20081229 22:11:52< Unnheulu|Laptop> when in doubt call me xer
20081229 22:12:18< Rhonda> go and cry over it
20081229 22:12:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> hah
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20081229 22:48:02< Rhonda> Panic! Unnheulu can curse around like hell but it won't get logged!!
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20081229 22:49:45< Elven_> hello everyone... problem again :(
20081229 22:50:03< Elven_> very simple: wesnoth is closing :(
20081229 22:50:12< Elven_> after some time, for example 5 turns
20081229 22:50:19< Elven_> but only when using my own units
20081229 22:50:58< Rhonda> In any special campaign/scenario, or independent of that?
20081229 22:52:25< Elven_> campaign the three elves
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20081229 22:52:58< Elven_> after adding some my units with new graphics
20081229 22:55:01< Rhonda> Is that an official campaign? That's one from the addon server, right?
20081229 22:55:27< Elven_> addon, my own :)
20081229 22:55:46< Elven_> i think that some of my images of units is... colapsing game
20081229 22:56:01< Rhonda> Your own? Then debug it :P
20081229 22:56:10< Elven_> ehm... how? :)
20081229 22:56:19< Rhonda> No idea, you wrote it. :)
20081229 22:56:35< zookeeper> figure it out
20081229 22:56:50< Elven_> zookeeper: :)
20081229 22:56:51< voris> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=wesnoth+debug+wml
20081229 22:56:58< zookeeper> what do you do if you're given a puzzle and you don't know the answer?
20081229 22:57:08< zookeeper> finding out what's wrong in your campaign is no different.
20081229 22:57:15< Rrenys> Ritual suicide.
20081229 22:57:19< Elven_> okay okay... :)
20081229 22:57:23< zookeeper> well, that works too
20081229 22:57:27< Elven_> Rrenys: no thanks :)
20081229 22:58:15< Elven_> btw great that web :D
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20081229 23:04:54< Elven_> so, game ends in scenario 5, turn 5. after trying to load it, this error has been shown up: The game could not be loaded: load_game_failder: attempt to create a unit on the recall list for side 1, which does not have a recall list.
20081229 23:06:13< Rrenys> Eris doesnt like you
20081229 23:06:51< Elven_> who is Eris?
20081229 23:07:20< Rrenys> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_fives#Law_of_Fives
20081229 23:07:23< voris> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=eris
20081229 23:08:49< Elven_> dwarf planet? :D
20081229 23:09:16< voris> There is no web site for teaching you how to search the results page for the more likely relevant hit.
20081229 23:09:25< voris> You'll have to figure that part out on your own. :P
20081229 23:09:38< Elven_> ok ok i think that it will be better to go out of here
20081229 23:09:57< voris> hehe
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20081229 23:35:51< woden> wesnoth-1.4.7-1-i686 just came out in Arch w00t! :)
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