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20081230 00:15:31< ArmOrAttAk> hi
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20081230 00:37:02< Kest> people have no sense of humor
20081230 00:40:15< ArmOrAttAk> damn right we don't
20081230 00:41:10< Kest> this is why i only play private games, so i can actually joke around with people without them kicking me when they start losing
20081230 00:43:17< ArmOrAttAk> who did that?
20081230 00:43:37< Kest> some alex guy
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20081230 00:44:18< ArmOrAttAk> just  consider it a sore loser
20081230 00:45:04< Rrenys> Or you can create a negative bias towards people name Alex in yourself for the rest of your life. Your choice, really.
20081230 00:45:10< Rrenys> The latter is much more fun, tho
20081230 00:45:42< Kest> now i hate all alexs for their treachery and Rrenys for their smarminess
20081230 00:47:32< ArmOrAttAk> it's hard to get a good survival game goiing
20081230 00:47:35< Kest> hmm thats the wrong word i think
20081230 00:48:03< ArmOrAttAk> people quit  or buy dumb thiings
20081230 00:48:12< ArmOrAttAk> or take   5 minutes each  turn
20081230 00:48:38< Kest> i put on time limits
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20081230 00:48:50< Kest> cause even with that 4p takes forever :p
20081230 00:49:10< ArmOrAttAk> they're not intuitive
20081230 00:49:43< ArmOrAttAk> like say  , a chess clock
20081230 00:50:09< ArmOrAttAk> can you tell  me how the time  controls  work please?
20081230 00:51:19< Kest> erm
20081230 00:51:24< Kest> you press end turn
20081230 00:55:22< ArmOrAttAk> i'd like to set up say a minute to  begin and 15 seconds more per  action. and add kest to  that list P.S
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20081230 00:58:09< Kest> did you set it to init limit 60 turn bonus 10 resevoir 120 action bonus 15?
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20081230 00:58:18< Kest> it seems fairly straightforward
20081230 00:59:06< Kest> down at bottom of screen it tells you what each option does when you mousehover
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20081230 01:01:04< Rrenys> Noooooooo! We cannot continue without Landar!
20081230 01:01:39< Rrenys> Yet there is no explanation for the obligatoriness of his continuous existence story-wise...
20081230 01:02:10< Kest> Landar the Barbarian
20081230 01:03:44< Rrenys> Landar-the-elf-from-LoW-whom-i-would-prefer-to-die-instead-of-forcing-me-to-load
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20081230 01:13:18< Ivanovic> n8
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20081230 04:07:36< warren> anyone up for some 2v2 castle hopping island?
20081230 04:08:22< warren> BTW, fedora packages of wesnoth-1.4.7 are here: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/wesnoth/1.4.7/
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20081230 04:54:10< Shadow_Master> anyobdy happens to know how the DHCP client should be compiled? I downloaded a upstream tarball from http://ftp.isc.org/isc/dhcp/ and it only builds the server, althugh I see the client sources
20081230 04:56:47 * warren wonders what that has to do with wesnoth
20081230 04:56:55< Shadow_Master> or what the correct channel would be for asking this? :)
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20081230 09:28:46< Ivanovic> moin
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20081230 13:08:03< lizard_r> Can I install 1.5 and 1.4 parralel? Do I have to ./configure some settings? (Linux)
20081230 13:08:48< uzsolt> lizard_r: maybe different prefixes
20081230 13:09:11< uzsolt> ./configure --prefix=/usr and ./configure --prefix=/opt
20081230 13:09:14< uzsolt> or similar
20081230 13:09:56< lizard_r> ah, thanks
20081230 13:11:17< lizard_r> AI0867: I think you have 1.5+1.4 parralel and are on Linux. How do you do that?
20081230 13:14:09 * lizard_r is away
20081230 13:14:14< Espreon> lizard_r: Are you going to compile 1.5x?
20081230 13:14:20< lizard_r> yes
20081230 13:14:28< lizard_r> to test trunk
20081230 13:14:37< Espreon> First, make sure you have SCons installed.
20081230 13:14:44< lizard_r> I ahve
20081230 13:15:28< Espreon> All right, cd into the source tree, and run scons build prefix=/opt/wesnoth/ prefsdir=.wesnoth-trunk
20081230 13:15:33< Espreon> (That is how I do it)
20081230 13:15:41< lizard_r> ok
20081230 13:15:49< lizard_r> I'll do it after lunch
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20081230 14:09:08< stigtwig> Hello?
20081230 14:09:32< fendrin_> Hi?
20081230 14:09:58< Espreon> Hello.
20081230 14:11:02< stigtwig> Hi^_^
20081230 14:11:29< stigtwig> Um, I have what appears to be an obscure problem with wesnoth
20081230 14:11:38< Espreon> Go on and whatnot...
20081230 14:13:23< fendrin_> Well, it's under gpl. You can't sue us if it ate your cat.
20081230 14:13:45< stigtwig> well, I recently installed Ubuntu on this machine, and besides an incorrect default resolution, everything is grand. However, when I started Wesnoth, the mouse cursor goes invisable in the window. I can still click things, and the mouse is there on the taskbar if I move it up, but otherwise it is not shown on the wesnoth window at all, I tried remove/add to reinstall but the same error persists
20081230 14:14:00< stigtwig> my cat is fine, if otherwise napping ^_^
20081230 14:14:25< Espreon> Would you fire up the terminal; type and type in this?: wesnoth
20081230 14:14:43< stigtwig> I think 'catdevouring' would fall under dangerous rather then obscure errors 
20081230 14:15:04< Espreon> Reproduce the error, and then paste the output in a pastebin.
20081230 14:15:08< zookeeper> did you try if the colour cursors option in the preferences would magically fix it?
20081230 14:15:57< fendrin_> maybe switching to fullscreen with ctrl+f brings a mouse pointer.
20081230 14:16:37< stigtwig> hmm, ctrl+f does nothing, and I cannot find the 'colour cursor' option
20081230 14:17:07< stigtwig> (not in general, display or advanced)
20081230 14:17:20< stigtwig> Ahh
20081230 14:17:27< stigtwig> found the coloured cursors option
20081230 14:17:52< stigtwig> sorry, I missed it entirely, problem fixed 
20081230 14:17:58< zookeeper> cool.
20081230 14:18:02< stigtwig> Thank you very much indeed!
20081230 14:18:09< Espreon> Enjoy!
20081230 14:18:16< fendrin_> stigtwig: wait
20081230 14:18:18< stigtwig> I intend to
20081230 14:18:27 * stigtwig waits
20081230 14:18:37< fendrin_> stigtwig: what display adapter and driver do you use?
20081230 14:19:26< stigtwig> Fendrin_ I am unsure, this is a laptop, let me find out
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20081230 14:22:16< stigtwig> ...how do I find out what display adaptor and driver I am using? Ubuntu is wonderful at illustrating how inept with anything but windows I am, if a little inefficient
20081230 14:23:10< Espreon> You could dig in your xorg.conf to see what driver you are using.
20081230 14:23:45< Espreon> xorg.conf is in /etc/X11
20081230 14:24:35< stigtwig> is that in my home folder?
20081230 14:24:40< Espreon> No...
20081230 14:24:45< stigtwig> ahh
20081230 14:25:02< stigtwig> probably why I can't find it there
20081230 14:25:07< stigtwig> hmm
20081230 14:25:18< Espreon> Go to /etc/X11...
20081230 14:25:45< stigtwig> terminal tells me it doesn't exist
20081230 14:26:02< stigtwig> I'm sorry, this isn't being very helpful
20081230 14:26:20< Espreon> Try gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
20081230 14:27:05< stigtwig> ahh, that worked
20081230 14:28:20< stigtwig> I have a nice window up, but doesn't seem to hold any hardware or drivers information, here is a sample: Section "InputDevice"
20081230 14:28:21< stigtwig> 	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
20081230 14:28:21< stigtwig> 	Driver		"kbd"
20081230 14:28:21< stigtwig> 	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
20081230 14:28:21< stigtwig> 	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"
20081230 14:28:22< stigtwig> 	Option		"XkbLayout"	"ie"
20081230 14:28:38< stigtwig> Section "Screen"
20081230 14:28:39< stigtwig> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
20081230 14:28:39< stigtwig> 	Monitor		"Configured Monitor"
20081230 14:28:39< stigtwig> 	Device		"Configured Video Device"
20081230 14:28:52< Espreon> Please do not paste here.
20081230 14:28:57< stigtwig> oh, sorry
20081230 14:28:59< Espreon> Throw it in a pastebin.
20081230 14:29:11< stigtwig> it's not very big you see
20081230 14:29:37< Espreon> But still... it is good to develop good pasting habits.
20081230 14:29:39< stigtwig> I just pasted about half of it
20081230 14:29:46< stigtwig> ahh, yes, okay
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20081230 14:30:30< stigtwig> http://pastebin.com/d720d6d53
20081230 14:32:00< Espreon> That is odd...
20081230 14:32:20< stigtwig> not just me then..
20081230 14:33:39< Espreon> Nothing more I can do...
20081230 14:33:47< stigtwig> no matter
20081230 14:33:50< stigtwig> thank you again for your help, I will talk to you again some time.
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20081230 16:45:05< A_Guy> Yesterday, I got a wonderful inspiration for an idea, and now I'm working on it.
20081230 16:46:23< Turuk_> which is?
20081230 16:46:24< Shadow_Master> never use the Internet with the root account (Unix-ish) or Administrator (Windows NT-ish) unless you have got a really good reason to do so.
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20081230 16:48:18< Rrenys> why
20081230 16:48:23< A_Guy> Well, I was playing Advance Wars again, and saw how commanders had the ability to influence the battle with special abilities.
20081230 16:48:35< A_Guy> So I was thinking, why not Wesnoth? And now I'm working on it.
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20081230 16:49:04< Turuk> sort of like the special abilities Melon was working on?
20081230 16:49:23< A_Guy> What special abilities?
20081230 16:49:25< A_Guy> Link, please?
20081230 16:49:59< A_Guy> So each leader builds up Ability Points by dealing damage and by taking damage (though they get more by dealing damage).
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20081230 16:50:16< root> Shadow_Master: Why not?
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20081230 16:52:19< zookeeper> sounds like archmage to me.
20081230 16:52:45< A_Guy> Yeah, somewhat like Archmage.
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20081230 16:54:50< A_Guy> A question: If there is an object that gives a new ability, and there is an object that removes that same ability, which one takes effect?
20081230 16:54:53< Turuk> sorry A_Guy I completely zoned out
20081230 16:55:35< A_Guy> I just typed up that question
20081230 16:55:42< Turuk> the idea was under this
20081230 16:55:53< A_Guy> Oh, that.
20081230 16:55:57< Turuk> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=22919&start=30&st=0&sk=t&sd=a for the ideas brought up by Melon
20081230 16:56:13< Turuk> I have insomnia and cannot sleep
20081230 16:56:16< AI0867> A_Guy: the one that was added later
20081230 16:56:25< AI0867> they're added in order I believe
20081230 16:56:47< A_Guy> Thanks.
20081230 16:56:56< A_Guy> Are you AI?
20081230 16:57:19< Turuk> yes he is
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20081230 16:58:16< A_Guy> First ability up and running.
20081230 16:58:33< A_Guy> It's for the only added faction in the era.
20081230 16:59:58< A_Guy> Wow, the AI is so retarded.
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20081230 17:11:22< A_Guy> I wish terrain masks could just use a location filter and [rule].
20081230 17:11:41< A_Guy> I guess I can just create a 200x200 map with all snow.
20081230 17:12:38< Shadow_Master> of corse, whynot
20081230 17:13:09< A_Guy> Maybe I should propose that.
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20081230 17:33:17< csarmi|ingame> hi all
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20081230 17:34:55< Rrenys> Why, hello there, csarmi|ingame.
20081230 17:35:08< A_Guy__> Hey, why does it say I left/
20081230 17:35:11< A_Guy__> I'm not lagging.
20081230 17:35:20< csarmi|ingame> can someone help me with WML?
20081230 17:35:21< A_Guy__> Well, at least not on other sites.
20081230 17:35:25< A_Guy__> Sure thing.
20081230 17:35:33< A_Guy__> What is it you need help with?
20081230 17:36:02< csarmi|ingame> I want to make an AI
20081230 17:36:10< csarmi|ingame> avoid a type of terrain
20081230 17:36:29< csarmi|ingame> Say don't step on forest at all
20081230 17:36:52< A_Guy__> Okay, first, use [store_location] to store all forest-type terrain.
20081230 17:37:12< A_Guy__> ...wait.
20081230 17:37:12< csarmi|ingame> so I store location with filter first?
20081230 17:37:19< A_Guy__> Let me think.
20081230 17:38:16< A_Guy__> I was thinking of using {FOREACH} but that's not possible in an [ai] tag.
20081230 17:38:36< csarmi|ingame> I've tried smth like  [avoid][filter][filter_location]...[/filter_location][/filter][/avoid]
20081230 17:38:45< csarmi|ingame> it didnt do anything however
20081230 17:39:27< csarmi|ingame> I suppose I can type in manually all forest-coordinates in the worst case but...
20081230 17:39:59< A_Guy__> [filter_location] won't work in [avoid].
20081230 17:40:27< AI0867> here's the ugly way: [store_locations] all non-forest
20081230 17:40:34< A_Guy__> If it comes to typing forest coords manually, you can use a macro to make things easier, though it's not really helpful.
20081230 17:40:41< A_Guy__> Here comes a developer to the rescue!
20081230 17:40:45< A_Guy__> I love the developers.
20081230 17:40:45< AI0867> then use [insert_tag] to turn that into an [avoid]
20081230 17:41:03< A_Guy__> That's if he/she is using 1.5.
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20081230 17:41:05< AI0867> of course that only works on 1.5
20081230 17:41:09< csarmi|ingame> 1.5
20081230 17:41:11< AI0867> which he is
20081230 17:41:16< AI0867> because it's about IftU
20081230 17:41:51< csarmi|ingame> see? developers know even what you WILL think about :)
20081230 17:42:59< A_Guy__> I always assume that people use 1.4 when they ask for help.
20081230 17:43:11< zookeeper> store locations, foreach over them, construct a comma-separated list of hexes, then use [modify_side] to set the ai params
20081230 17:43:16< csarmi|ingame> sorry I should have specified that
20081230 17:43:40< zookeeper> hmm, actually you could just use [set_variable] to build the list instead
20081230 17:43:51< csarmi|ingame> was thinking about soemthig like that too
20081230 17:44:16< csarmi|ingame> I'm not sure I can get the syntax working as I'm a n00b, but I'll try, tx
20081230 17:44:40< csarmi|ingame> just a quick question however
20081230 17:45:05< csarmi|ingame> tried to make some test snecario(s) to test how things work
20081230 17:45:08< zookeeper> well, the first part is easy to test...all you need is a [store_locations] and a [set_variable], then just have debug messages that show their values to make sure it works
20081230 17:45:38< csarmi|ingame> but I culdnt really figure out how
20081230 17:45:53< A_Guy__> I've gained a newfound appreciation for {DEBUG_MSG} yesterday.
20081230 17:46:16< csarmi|ingame> This is what I did:
20081230 17:47:28< csarmi|ingame> created a map called abcd.cfg in my userdata/.../campaigns directory - started and closed it with a [test] and [/test] tag and changed id=test then started wesnoth with -t but it loaded some other test scenario instead
20081230 17:48:35< zookeeper> well, the mainline test scenario takes precedence then
20081230 17:48:44< zookeeper> probably you can't have more than one at the same time.
20081230 17:48:48< csarmi|ingame> it clearly read my scenario (for it showed ugly messages when syntax was bad) but 
20081230 17:48:58< csarmi|ingame> aha so i have to find and elminate the mainline one
20081230 17:49:35< csarmi|ingame> i should have known, i'm silly, tx :)
20081230 17:49:35< zookeeper> comment it out or rename it or something, i guess then yours would work
20081230 17:49:42< csarmi|ingame> yup
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20081230 17:51:56< A_Guy__> Ah, it's always the small things that get me.
20081230 17:52:14< A_Guy__> I wish the problem was an error in my coding.
20081230 17:52:25< A_Guy__> But no, it has to be a missing quotation mark.
20081230 17:52:31< csarmi|ingame> yea it works except I was stupid and AI controls all my sides now
20081230 17:52:43< A_Guy__> Use :droid.
20081230 17:55:40< csarmi|ingame> tx a lot guys, gotta go now :)
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20081230 17:59:24< bash-completion> hi
20081230 18:00:32< Shadow_Master> use tab
20081230 18:00:43< Shadow_Master> no, better. use some other shell.
20081230 18:00:57< bash-completion> me?
20081230 18:01:16< Shadow_Master> I have got you installed
20081230 18:01:27< bash-completion> lol sure...
20081230 18:01:36< Shadow_Master> version 20080705 of yours is installed. have you got any upgrades?
20081230 18:01:59< bash-completion> what can we doing again name faker on the game server?
20081230 18:02:06< Shadow_Master> report it in #wesnoth-mp
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20081230 18:27:00< dbzer0> how do I start or jump to a scenario directly for debugging?
20081230 18:27:49< Shadow_Master> :cl
20081230 18:27:54< Shadow_Master> :debug :cl
20081230 18:28:10< Shadow_Master> ah, you need 1.5.2 or later for that to work tho
20081230 18:31:00< AI0867> you can use :n scenarionum otherwise
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20081230 18:32:22< dbzer0> thanks
20081230 18:33:53< dbzer0> another quick question. For some reason the previous to last scenario I have does not progress to the last one I've just created. I've modified the "next scenario" but It's as if its cached or something. Any idea?
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20081230 18:35:10< AI0867> use the start-of-scenario save
20081230 18:35:23< AI0867> the entire scenario is cached in during-scenario saves
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20081230 18:38:13< dbzer0> I did. I start the whole campaign from the beggining :-/ I must be missing something obvious as I never had this problem before...
20081230 18:39:17< AI0867> restart wesnoth a couple of times
20081230 18:39:29< AI0867> if that doesn't help, delete ~/.wesnoth/cache/*
20081230 18:39:51< AI0867> and if *that* doesn't work, you made a mistake somewhere ;)
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20081230 18:41:00< ArmOrAttAk> i'm working on a new game i will call it eassoth
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20081230 18:46:28< dbzer0> I don't get it...I even change some message text in the first scenario and it's not repressented...
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20081230 18:49:26< AI0867> are you sure you're editing in the right place?
20081230 18:49:35< fendrin_> --nacache is a option I use always for testing wml code.
20081230 18:49:48< fendrin_> s/--nacache/--nocache
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20081230 18:53:23< dbzer0> definite. I'm working on the svn copy however and I get the impression it has something to do with the _main.cfg file. I added _svn to all ids and whatnot but still no go. I'll try to export from svn and see...
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20081230 18:55:22< dbzer0> Got it
20081230 18:55:39< dbzer0> it was the define part that I had to rename
20081230 18:55:52< dbzer0> to make it different from the normal copy
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20081230 19:06:42< A_Guy__> Third ability is a success!
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20081230 21:18:11< Elven_> zookeeper: hello. can i for one question? i like to check my campaign for errors. running dualboot with windows. can you please help me? what utility can i use for it? is it in the official 1.4.x package for windows?
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20081230 21:58:03< A_Guy> Success!
20081230 21:59:28< A_Guy> I just love it when WML does what you want it to.
20081230 22:00:02< Rhonda> Fail!
20081230 22:00:23< Rhonda> I just hate it when TLAs I read ring a completely different awareness to what they are addressed at.
20081230 22:01:21< A_Guy> TLA=?
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20081230 22:22:06< A_Guy> So that's what's with all the timeouts.
20081230 22:22:23< A_Guy> ...at least I assumed they were timeouts.
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20081230 22:48:18< [Relic]> Hello :)
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