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20090110 00:00:23< Thrawnwesnoth> heh
20090110 00:00:30< Shadow_Master> he'll be grayed out if he continues with that attitude
20090110 00:02:20< loonycyborg> That means that his name on forum will become gray?
20090110 00:02:28< Shadow_Master> "ram (an idea) through other people's throats" .... brrrr
20090110 00:02:40< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: no, his account will be deleted :) (jk)
20090110 00:02:40 * Turuk readies his gray finger.
20090110 00:04:27 * loonycyborg doesn't like the idea of ramming ideas through other people's throats.
20090110 00:04:47< Shadow_Master> it sounds nasty and disgusting
20090110 00:05:17 * Turuk always places his ideas gently there.
20090110 00:05:46 * loonycyborg prefers Gandhi's approach :)
20090110 00:05:56 * Turuk is a Mother Theresa fan himself.
20090110 00:06:10 * zookeeper likes the dalai lama
20090110 00:06:42 * Shadow_Master forces ideas in more subtle ways
20090110 00:06:51< Shadow_Master> "I have an idea but I guess you don't need them. Ah well..."
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20090110 00:07:39< Shadow_Master> well actually it is : "I have XYZ idea, <insert senior dev here> what do you think?"
20090110 00:07:47< YogiHH> lol
20090110 00:09:54< Sirp> YogiHH: I don't even see why the Python discussion has to go on. I've already said that I think that allowing Python extensibility in Wesnoth is a good idea. So whoever wants it just needs to shut up and code it and show us the code.
20090110 00:10:07< YogiHH> i think we shouldn't continue picking on this throat stuff. He has apologized for it and that's it.
20090110 00:10:25< YogiHH> Sirp: I agree. More coding, less talking :-)
20090110 00:10:26< Shadow_Master> his statement in the forum today isn't really convincing
20090110 00:10:28< Sirp> and yeah I agree with YogiHH on that.
20090110 00:12:27< YogiHH> ilor: would you like to talk about some sort of plan for refactoring larger parts of wesnoth (for 1.7.x) at fosdem?
20090110 00:13:01< YogiHH> ilor: i have some ideas about that but i have the feeling i need a counterpart to flesh them out really
20090110 00:13:18< ilor> YogiHH: sure ;)
20090110 00:13:37< YogiHH> nice :-)
20090110 00:13:44 * Shadow_Master _wanted_ to rewrite the campaign server, but perhaps it is a too big task after all
20090110 00:14:09< YogiHH> Shadow_Master: too big for you or at all?
20090110 00:14:14< Shadow_Master> for me
20090110 00:14:22< Sirp> well the campaign server is still in C++, right?
20090110 00:14:34< ilor> ah, btw, I talked to the prof and he said I can have the exam earlier if I really need to, so I should be able to arrive on Friday :)
20090110 00:14:36< Shadow_Master> I am not going to rewrite anything in a different language, that's for sure
20090110 00:14:37< Sirp> I heard plenty of insistence that it'd be trivial to re-write it in Python. :p
20090110 00:14:45< Sirp> and that is actually a rewrite I can support and be happy with.
20090110 00:15:02< Shadow_Master> ilor: nice
20090110 00:15:17< Ivanovic> ilor: *great*
20090110 00:15:21< ilor> I'll probably be booking tickets tomorrow
20090110 00:15:23< Shadow_Master> :)
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20090110 00:16:00< Shadow_Master> now we need to kidnap an artist
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20090110 00:16:08< Shadow_Master> *you
20090110 00:16:21< YogiHH> kitty is on the way to belgium, hehe
20090110 00:16:42< Shadow_Master> she said she'd be busy with a presentation IIRC?
20090110 00:16:44< Ivanovic> and we need to kidnap neorice so that we get new drake baseframes...
20090110 00:16:48< thespaceinvader> who's kidnapping artists now?
20090110 00:16:52< YogiHH> i mean not too far away from there
20090110 00:16:53< Ivanovic> and maybe we can kidnap thespaceinvader, too?
20090110 00:17:00< Shadow_Master> he lives in the UK
20090110 00:17:03< thespaceinvader> i ought to be concerned...
20090110 00:17:11< YogiHH> we'll find a substitute for that presentation ;-)
20090110 00:17:13< Ivanovic> then it would also be some "artists of wesnoth" conf...
20090110 00:17:15< thespaceinvader> and no, i'm not coming to fosdem =P
20090110 00:17:23< Shadow_Master> unless... :D
20090110 00:17:29< grzywacz> In Soviet Russia, FOSDEM comes to you!
20090110 00:17:43< YogiHH> thespaceinvader: we'll see, what can we do to convince you?
20090110 00:17:55< Shadow_Master> cookies
20090110 00:17:56< Ivanovic> thespaceinvader: if you come over, i can offer you a cookie
20090110 00:18:00< thespaceinvader> if you can bring fosdem to cardiff, that would be cool
20090110 00:18:03< Ivanovic> is that a good enough bribe to make you come?
20090110 00:18:14< thespaceinvader> but i can neither afford the money or time to come, sadly
20090110 00:18:19< YogiHH> we are gonna invite you for a beer, how does that sound?
20090110 00:18:23< thespaceinvader> why, are you going for a wesnoth art presentation or somethign
20090110 00:18:44< Ivanovic> nah, we just want to show off
20090110 00:18:49< thespaceinvader> lol
20090110 00:18:57< thespaceinvader> there are better artists to kidnapo, then
20090110 00:19:00< Shadow_Master> thespaceinvader: you didn't watch last years' presentation video?
20090110 00:19:02< thespaceinvader> and one is coming willingly
20090110 00:19:04< Ivanovic> as in "hey, all you geeks, look here: we even got *ARTISTS* in our project, not only darkness loving coders!"
20090110 00:19:05< Sirp> the problem with bringing artists to FOSDEM is that some other projects might try to steal our artists.
20090110 00:19:15< grzywacz> thespaceinvader, all these nice people want to meet you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWvJ_9A5JDs&fmt=18
20090110 00:19:15< grzywacz> !
20090110 00:19:18< thespaceinvader> shadow_master, no
20090110 00:19:37< Shadow_Master> thespaceinvader: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=283649#p283649e
20090110 00:19:39< YogiHH> Sirp: good point, we should rethink that ;-)
20090110 00:19:41< Shadow_Master> scrap the e
20090110 00:19:53< Ivanovic> grzywacz: not all of them, cycholka ain't there anymore and sirp and lisa will be in america
20090110 00:20:04< grzywacz> Ivanovic, hush! I try to be convincing. ;)
20090110 00:20:11< thespaceinvader> i saw the photo i think
20090110 00:20:22< thespaceinvader> and i read through dave's presentation
20090110 00:20:23< Ivanovic> Sirp: and we will defend them against since the holy book says: "thou shall not steal other projects artists"
20090110 00:20:44< Shadow_Master> uh... what holy book?
20090110 00:21:01< YogiHH> holy book of computer application developing ;-)
20090110 00:21:01< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: the book of wesnoth
20090110 00:21:04< Ivanovic> which other book?!?
20090110 00:21:08< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: where is it?
20090110 00:21:13< Ivanovic> or was it in the stroustrup?
20090110 00:21:20< Shadow_Master> probably the stroustrup :(
20090110 00:21:22< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: in my room, close to my hand
20090110 00:21:24< Ivanovic> ;)
20090110 00:21:40< Shadow_Master> heh, that's why you are the admin
20090110 00:21:48< Shadow_Master> you have the "holy word"
20090110 00:21:53< YogiHH> heh
20090110 00:21:57< Ivanovic> and the hammer to enforce it
20090110 00:21:58< Ivanovic> ;)
20090110 00:22:39< Ivanovic> time to head off to bed, n8
20090110 00:22:47< Shadow_Master> nacht
20090110 00:22:51< YogiHH> same here, see you guys
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20090110 00:25:21< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: the windows package has working translations, I hope?!
20090110 00:29:48< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: I hope too. IIRC I saw Russian text last time I checked..
20090110 00:29:58< Shadow_Master> good...
20090110 00:31:32< loonycyborg> Why are you asking? Do Spanish translation team members problems with it? :)
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20090110 00:31:49< Shadow_Master> sorry, but there is only one person other than me in it
20090110 00:31:56< Shadow_Master> and he uses Linux
20090110 00:32:13< Shadow_Master> I was just making sure <looks at crimson_penguin>
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20090110 00:32:45< crimson_penguin> :(
20090110 00:32:56< Shadow_Master> ^__^
20090110 00:33:02< Shadow_Master> (gr.)
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20090110 00:39:32< crimson_penguin> Shadow_Master: I'm getting Jetryl to fix it (I'd do it myself, but his uploading is faster; I got at 20K/s)
20090110 00:39:35< crimson_penguin> go*
20090110 00:40:34< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I just now noticed that I broke translations on 1.5.7 :( I included them, but in the wrong place so they don't work... anyway, I'm getting Jetryl to fix it and upload a Wesnoth_1.5.7b.dmg
20090110 00:41:50< Shadow_Master> ESR_: around?
20090110 00:42:06< ESR_> Yes, but not for long.
20090110 00:42:14< Shadow_Master> ]"An evil mage is threatening the small village of Maghre and its inhabitants. The [b]villages mage[/b] Bjarn send for his brother to help, but not all goes as planned. Can you help?\n\n(Novice level, 4 scenarios; the 'Hard' version may challenge more experienced players.)"
20090110 00:42:29< Shadow_Master> what is going on in the block surrounded with phpBB markup?
20090110 00:42:35< zookeeper> woot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbReMD5i0dg
20090110 00:42:40< Shadow_Master> it sounds like it should be "village's mage"?
20090110 00:43:19< ESR_> That's correct, somebody dropped an apostrophe.
20090110 00:43:39< Shadow_Master> ESR_: can I fix it?
20090110 00:43:48< Shadow_Master> ESR_: and, um, do you have any pending commits?
20090110 00:43:50< ESR_> Sure.
20090110 00:44:02< ESR_> No, no commits pending.
20090110 00:45:51< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32023 /trunk/data/campaigns/Two_Brothers/_main.cfg: Add a missing apostrophe in "villages mage" ("village's mage").
20090110 00:47:21< Shadow_Master> thanks for the clarification
20090110 00:47:29< Shadow_Master> (woohoo, my first string melt)
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20090110 02:36:39< Shadow_Master> thespaceinvader: :(
20090110 02:37:44< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32024 /trunk/data/core/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Fix naming inconsistency with Troll Whelp's portrait
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20090110 02:38:39< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32025 /trunk/data/core/ (10 files in 2 dirs): More naming consistency fixes - now on Iron Mauler, Lieutenant, Sergeant and Shock Trooper's portraits.
20090110 02:39:15< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32026 /trunk/data/core/units/humans/Loyalist_Sergeant.cfg: Fix wrong image path (portrait/).
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20090110 07:24:39< DDR> Hello. Is it possible to change team_name= mid-scenario?
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20090110 07:56:11< Sapient> DDR: try [modify_side]
20090110 07:56:27< DDR> Ah, thanks. :)
20090110 07:57:12< Sapient> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/DirectActionsWML
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20090110 09:17:19< cib0> CIB's law of quitter probability: The probability of a player quitting rises exponentially with the number of times a player says "go" within a certain amount of time.
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20090110 10:25:41< Baufo> is there any important reason why in gui::menu the public function move_selection() cannot have control over sound and viewport like its private pendant move_selection_to()?
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20090110 12:10:44< CIA-53> baufo * r32027 /trunk/src/multiplayer_ui.cpp: clear the help string when the command wrapper dialog is shown in the lobby
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20090110 12:37:24< CIA-53> baufo * r32028 /trunk/src/ (multiplayer_ui.cpp widgets/menu.cpp widgets/menu.hpp): fix scrolling through the player list in the mp lobby: trying to preserve the selected player the viewport of the list would always be reset to show the selected player
20090110 12:38:16< CIA-53> baufo * r32029 /branches/1.4/src/ (multiplayer_ui.cpp widgets/menu.cpp widgets/menu.hpp): backporting r32028 (player list scrolling fix)
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20090110 12:40:57< boucman> Baufo: you know that we don't plan anymore 1.4 releases ?
20090110 12:41:11< Baufo> boucman, I do, yes
20090110 12:41:16< boucman> k :)
20090110 12:41:20< Baufo> :)
20090110 12:42:27< cib0> Baufo: does your new graphical front-end to some MP commands work already?
20090110 12:43:14< Baufo> cib0, yes
20090110 12:43:21< Baufo> at least it should :)
20090110 12:43:50< Baufo> double click a player name in the mp lobby if you want to use it
20090110 12:44:25< boucman> I hope you did a good entry in RELEASE_NOTES about that :)
20090110 12:45:10< Baufo> heh, am I supposed to do that? :p
20090110 12:45:35< boucman> if you think it's worth mentionning in the release annoucement (I think it desverves it)
20090110 12:45:44< boucman> what is the "status" button, btw ?
20090110 12:46:10< Baufo> it shows the selected player's ip
20090110 12:46:21< boucman> ok, well it didn't work
20090110 12:46:24< boucman> :P
20090110 12:46:36< boucman> (I selectedt myself in the lobby, incase it makes a difference
20090110 12:46:49< Soliton> it should work on yourself.
20090110 12:46:57 * Baufo checks
20090110 12:46:57< Soliton> otherwise you have to be a moderator.
20090110 12:47:31< Soliton> and it should not matter if you do /query status or /query status boucman.
20090110 12:48:09< Soliton> additional whitespace might screw it up though.
20090110 12:48:35< boucman> Baufo: I don't think I'm a moderator, but I still had the "kick" and "ban" buttons available, is that normal ?
20090110 12:49:01< Baufo> boucman, yes, they just won't work
20090110 12:49:23< Baufo> the client does not know whether you are a moderator
20090110 12:49:27< boucman> it would be better to grey them/don't display them 
20090110 12:49:29< boucman> if possible
20090110 12:49:39< boucman> and he can't ask the server ?
20090110 12:49:54< Soliton> Shadow_Master: http://gna.org/bugs/?12837  something for you?
20090110 12:50:07< Baufo> sure it could, I just have to write it :)
20090110 12:53:01< Soliton> the client could just check server responses for "You are now recognized as an administrator.".
20090110 12:53:28< boucman> Baufo: ok, just mentionning it
20090110 12:54:21< Baufo> Soliton, excellent idea
20090110 13:02:38< Soliton> status works fine for me from the dialog.
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20090110 13:10:35< CIA-53> baufo * r32030 /trunk/ (RELEASE_NOTES changelog players_changelog): updating changelog, etc.
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20090110 13:37:57< boucman> darn he's good http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=331332#p331332
20090110 14:15:21< grzywacz> boucman, he has `god mode` on
20090110 14:15:30< boucman> indeed
20090110 14:15:47< boucman> that's pretty suprising how wesnoth's graphical quality has steadily increased
20090110 14:15:57< boucman> it seems that good art atracts good artists...
20090110 14:16:37< grzywacz> If only code quality followed... :D :p
20090110 14:16:48< grzywacz> But yeah, good observation.
20090110 14:21:19< thespaceinvader> for my part, i think a big, working project attracts good artists
20090110 14:21:34< thespaceinvader> if they know their work won't go to waste, they are more likely to supply it
20090110 14:21:53< thespaceinvader> we just need more publicity amongst the relevant communities =D
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20090110 15:01:32< cib0> people keep thinking that passwords protect from observers.. is it intended to be as it is right now?
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20090110 15:14:32< Soliton> yes.
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20090110 15:20:56< cib0> ok.. what the hell.. why would you declare an object constant, when later, you simply assign it to a non-constant variable, modify it, and assign it to the constant pointer again?
20090110 15:21:37< cib0> it looks like locking the door and then going through the window..
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20090110 16:22:30< CIA-53> baufo * r32031 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): making sending a private message the default in the command wrapper dialog.
20090110 16:24:52< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: around?
20090110 16:28:58< Ivanovic_ontour> crimson_penguin: no, currently not at home and busy with "other stuff"
20090110 16:29:37< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic_ontour: ok - well when you get a chance, Jetrel needs to be added to SF, and given privilege to edit releases (unless that's already done of course)
20090110 16:30:21< Ivanovic_ontour> crimson_penguin: will have a look at it this evening
20090110 16:30:30< crimson_penguin> ok
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20090110 16:37:46< CIA-53> boucman * r32032 /trunk/ (13 files in 2 dirs): add an option to disable scrolling during oponent's turn the fine details might need feedback/tuning from the MP community
20090110 16:44:15< Soliton> \o/
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20090110 16:55:32< grzywacz> nice
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20090110 17:10:27< Shadow_Master> Soliton: will do
20090110 17:11:41< Shadow_Master> *grumble* I got conflicts in my changelog changes...
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20090110 17:12:20< Shadow_Master> I hoped that nobody would toucfh the changelog since you all were pretty inactive lately... :(
20090110 17:12:54< boucman> Shadow_Master: is that a problem ?
20090110 17:14:22< Shadow_Master> well, yeah, I'm fixing individual git patches
20090110 17:16:02< elias> so every major wesnoth dev is using git-svn to access the repository now? maybe time to move it all to git :)
20090110 17:17:44< loonycyborg> elias: I suspect that Sapient and YogiHH aren't using git :)
20090110 17:19:14< elias> ah, yes, didn't think about windows
20090110 17:19:14< boucman> neither am I 
20090110 17:19:21< boucman> but I dion't really mind
20090110 17:19:29< elias> there's nothing like tortoise-git i guess
20090110 17:19:39< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32033 /trunk/changelog: Update the new portraits list in the main changelog.
20090110 17:19:41< loonycyborg> AFAIK there are git windows ports..
20090110 17:19:56< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32034 /trunk/players_changelog: Formatting; why were User Interface entries in the Graphics category?
20090110 17:20:32< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32035 /trunk/players_changelog: Get new portraits listing from main changelog into players_changelog.
20090110 17:20:33< Soliton> maybe they were Graphics User Interface entries.
20090110 17:20:53< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32036 /trunk/players_changelog: 
20090110 17:20:53< CIA-53> Update the i18n & l10n section of players_changelog.
20090110 17:20:53< CIA-53> Why Ivanovic and Torangan left Danish out of the players_changelog ?
20090110 17:21:33< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32037 /trunk/changelog: Entry capitalization; why were some UI entries in Miscellaneous?
20090110 17:22:08< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32038 /trunk/changelog: Mention the portrait background removal in changelog.
20090110 17:22:14< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32039 /trunk/changelog: Move the whole "User interface" section down, where it belongs.
20090110 17:22:42< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32040 /trunk/changelog: Correct bad grammar in the SDL_net-related entry.
20090110 17:23:11< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32041 /trunk/changelog: More bad grammar fixes...
20090110 17:23:18< Shadow_Master> overkill :O
20090110 17:24:43< Shadow_Master> reading the git log, it seems it was Torangan who forgot to put Danish on the players_changelog too
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20090110 17:40:19< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic_ontour may want to write that down ;)
20090110 17:40:41< Shadow_Master> (and I'll soon have another "daily update" btw)
20090110 17:43:44< Ivanovic_ontour> Shadow_Master: torangan *never* updates the players_changelog
20090110 17:44:00< Ivanovic_ontour> every now and then i copy over all lang updates to the players_changelog, so that both are in synt
20090110 17:44:03< Ivanovic_ontour> s/synt/sync
20090110 17:44:24< Ivanovic_ontour> but i don't do it every day, so those can easily be out of date, this is corrected before packaging a release
20090110 17:44:58< Shadow_Master> Never noticed. Then again I never paid much attention to l10n and i18n before
20090110 17:51:04 * Shadow_Master is now realizing how useful Ivanovic's idea of multiprocessing wesnoth-optipng would be
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20090110 17:56:19< elias> just convert it to python like some of the other scripts, and it should be easy
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20090110 18:13:48< Sirp_> hi
20090110 18:14:55< Shadow_Master> hi Sirp_ 
20090110 18:15:04< cib0> hello Sirp_
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20090110 18:32:16< Shadow_Master> [have_unit] uses a SUF, right?
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20090110 18:33:17< Shadow_Master> e.g. can I use [filter_wml] in it?
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20090110 19:04:51< zookeeper> yes
20090110 19:05:20< Shadow_Master_> nice. Nicer it would have been to know before
20090110 19:06:08< zookeeper> err. are you saying you thought it contains something other than a SUF?
20090110 19:06:39< Shadow_Master_> I thought it was a dumber/fake SUF (since there are, for instance, fake SLFs in other statements)
20090110 19:07:23< zookeeper> how odd. you should know better than that :p
20090110 19:08:32< Shadow_Master_> i'm too busy to check the code now
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20090110 19:16:27< Shadow_Master_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=331420#p331420
20090110 19:16:32< Shadow_Master_> is this fixed already?
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20090110 19:29:00< Sirp_> what is an Elvish Trapper?
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20090110 19:38:16< Baufo> if I wanted a global variable in the mp namespace that indicated whether the client is authenticated as a moderator, which file would it make the most sense to declare this variable in?
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20090110 19:51:30< loonycyborg> Sirp_: Elvish Trapper is a unit used in UtbS and IftU.
20090110 19:51:42< Shadow_Master__> "Packet length is 18005290 bytes."
20090110 19:51:51< Shadow_Master__> packet? network packets are smaller IIRC?
20090110 19:52:12< Sirp_> loonycyborg: ahh I didn't see it under Utbs at units.wesnoth.org
20090110 19:52:23< Sirp_> Shadow_Master__: s/packet/message/
20090110 19:52:25< Shadow_Master__> (wesnoth_addon_manager -u You_Know_What_Add_On
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20090110 19:53:42< Sirp_> btw I'm still looking for someone who (1) can be trusted enough for some kind of wesnoth server access; (2) wants to use their awesome perl/python/scripting skills to develop a nice web frontend for the stats system.
20090110 19:54:08< Shadow_Master_> wesnoth_addon_manager could be a bit more verbose by default, btw
20090110 19:54:36< Shadow_Master_> even a sequence of dots would serve to indicate that the network didn't drop during a upload
20090110 19:55:23< Soliton> now it displays the amount uploaded, no?
20090110 19:55:37< Shadow_Master_> not *during* the upload
20090110 19:55:42< Shadow_Master_> only after and before
20090110 19:55:59< Soliton> ok, that's different to downloads then.
20090110 19:57:02< Soliton> well, it's python. should be trivial to find someone to enhance the script for you!
20090110 19:57:03< Shadow_Master_> Soliton: um wesnoth_addon_manager doesn't understand type= in the .pbl
20090110 19:57:26< Shadow_Master_> who would be able to fix it? :)
20090110 19:57:38< Soliton> elias.
20090110 19:59:38< Shadow_Master_> um. I hope I can get him. Otherwise I'm making a fool of myself for uploading my own-addon with no type, given that I was who implemented types in the first place
20090110 20:00:37< Shadow_Master_> it surely doesn't understand email= either
20090110 20:01:06 * Shadow_Master_ o O (I am the fool for not taking wesnoth_addon_manager into account when implementing that stuff!)
20090110 20:02:12< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32042 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/05.Northern_Outpost.cfg: Fixed some bugs.
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20090110 20:07:05< zookeeper> ESR_, ahem, you still left two EI scenarios missing their schedules
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20090110 20:08:18< zookeeper> but i'm fixing that
20090110 20:09:48< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32043 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/ (10.Xenophobia.cfg 15.Approaching_Weldyn.cfg): Added missing schedules.
20090110 20:10:12< Shadow_Master_> Soliton: would it be possible to add a type= and email= for my add-on in the server manually?
20090110 20:10:30< Baufo> Sirp_,  web frontend of what kind? just something nicer than the current one?
20090110 20:10:33< Shadow_Master_> since I cannot use Wesnoth to upload something so big with these per-minute connection drops.
20090110 20:12:24< Shadow_Master_> (and the Python code is puzzling)
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20090110 20:14:39< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master_: Not nearly as puzzling as Perl code :)
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20090110 20:16:19< Sirp_> Baufo: well, to improve the current front end to have full functionality 
20090110 20:16:31< Sirp_> Baufo: or to develop a new one.
20090110 20:16:43< Sirp_> loonycyborg: it really depends much more on the code and how well it is written than the language.
20090110 20:17:07< loonycyborg> For me even C++ code using template template parameters and template partial specialization and using obsure boost libraries is less puzzling than perl :)
20090110 20:17:27< Soliton> Shadow_Master_: i'll take a look.
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20090110 20:19:07< Sirp_> loonycyborg: there's nothing particularly about template 'partial specialization', and I don't see how boost libraries are any more 'obscure' than, say, Twisted.
20090110 20:19:16< Sirp_> s/particularly/particularly confusing/
20090110 20:19:45< CIA-53> baufo * r32044 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): grey out the moderation buttons in the command wrapper dialog if the client is not authenticated as a mod
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20090110 20:22:30< loonycyborg> Sirp_: Neither do I.
20090110 20:25:47< Soliton> Shadow_Master: 20090110 19:53:51 error network: send_file failed because stream not good from file /home/wesnoth/campaignd/trunk/data/Invasion_from_the_Unknown upto: 5758976 size: 14081850
20090110 20:26:02< Soliton> Shadow_Master: looks to me like the upload failed.
20090110 20:26:29< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: sudo apt-get install python-doc
20090110 20:26:29< Shadow_Master> that is rpbably an earlier one?
20090110 20:26:48< loonycyborg> Read the language reference and it won't be puzzling anymore :)
20090110 20:26:50< Shadow_Master> I tried twice to upload; the first time it failed because the .pbl was missing
20090110 20:26:51< Soliton> it's from ~30min ago.
20090110 20:27:09< Soliton> i doubt the server told you the pbl is missing but the client.
20090110 20:27:37< Shadow_Master> um... what should I do? reupload?
20090110 20:27:57< Soliton> seems like a good idea.
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20090110 20:28:46< Shadow_Master_> doing...
20090110 20:29:17< Shadow_Master_> ohno.
20090110 20:29:32< Shadow_Master_> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d761995fd
20090110 20:29:52< Shadow_Master_> and it sits forever waiting for me to terminate it with some signal
20090110 20:30:27< Soliton> use ^C
20090110 20:30:34< loonycyborg> cfgdile looks like a typo..
20090110 20:30:36< Shadow_Master_> I did so...
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20090110 20:31:33< Shadow_Master_> loonycyborg: probably
20090110 20:31:42< Shadow_Master_> but why this didn't happen in the earlier upload?
20090110 20:32:30< Soliton> # Only used if it's an old-style campaign directory
20090110 20:32:33< Shadow_Master_> AI0867: can I git svn rebase?
20090110 20:32:51< Soliton> what's git svn rebase supposed to do differently?
20090110 20:33:14< Shadow_Master_> I thought for a moment that it may have bbeen a bug fixed already, but I grepped and it's just in a different file..
20090110 20:33:46< Shadow_Master_> the campaign uses new-style files: _main.cfg, _server.pbl
20090110 20:34:39< Shadow_Master_> the only file that is sitting around ~/.wesnoth/data/campaigns on its own is a "packet.dump"
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20090110 20:36:06< Soliton> well, for some reason there was a cfgfile.
20090110 20:36:13< CIA-53> soliton * r32045 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/campaignserver_client.py: fixed a typo
20090110 20:36:42< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090110 20:37:00< loonycyborg> hi :)
20090110 20:37:04< [Relic]> :)
20090110 20:39:26< Shadow_Master_> and it turns out I cannot rebase because AI has unstaged local changes ...
20090110 20:39:37< Shadow_Master_> :-/ I hate my life.
20090110 20:39:56< Shadow_Master_> I'll do a svn checkout of the dir instead
20090110 20:40:00< loonycyborg> Why don't you make another local repo?
20090110 20:40:23< Shadow_Master_> I'll consume too much of his disk space..
20090110 20:40:44< loonycyborg> How much is currently free?
20090110 20:41:42< loonycyborg> Soliton: Btw does mingw32 repo on the server share guts with some other repo still?
20090110 20:41:43< Shadow_Master_> available around 11 GB. But it'd not be educated from my part to consume almost 1 GB on a clone :/
20090110 20:42:32< Soliton> git stash?
20090110 20:42:57< Shadow_Master_> I'd not mess with his changes :/
20090110 20:43:08< Soliton> that's why you stash them.
20090110 20:43:35 * Shadow_Master_ was already dubious about git svn rebase'ing other user's dir
20090110 20:43:58< Soliton> loonycyborg: sure.
20090110 20:46:53< Shadow_Master_> um... I was on the wrong directory for running _addon_manager
20090110 20:49:11< loonycyborg> Soliton: Since that repo shares its guts with some other repo, I've added "git reset --hard" to my ridiculously simple "compile-wesnoth" script.
20090110 20:50:04< loonycyborg> So any changes to that working copy would be automatically destroyed without me knowing whenever I compile cross-compiled binaries.
20090110 20:50:35< loonycyborg> Just FYI.
20090110 20:51:08< Soliton> yeah, i assumed as much.
20090110 20:51:21< Shadow_Master_> Soliton: did the upload make it there?
20090110 20:52:06< Shadow_Master_> or was interrupted by my awesome idea of running wesnoth_addon_manager not on a screen session and then being disconnected from SSH by a WLAN drop?
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20090110 20:54:18< Soliton> Shadow_Master_: http://nopaste.com/p/aFW1uW7HP no error but 7s seems a little short.
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20090110 20:56:46< Soliton> Shadow_Master: looks like the disconnect is always that fast so probably fine.
20090110 20:57:29< Shadow_Master> Soliton: it's 13.7 MB so I guess it's fine
20090110 20:58:37< Shadow_Master> http://nopaste.com/p/aj3FD7YiQ
20090110 20:58:55< Shadow_Master> um.
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20090110 20:59:24< Shadow_Master> :|
20090110 20:59:57< Shadow_Master> does wesnoth_addon_manager send uncompressed data, and campaignd compresses it , or what?
20090110 21:00:15< Shadow_Master> 18 MB isn't very close to 13.7 MB, which is what I see fro,m the add-ons menu
20090110 21:01:11< Soliton> i'd think it uses the same gzip compression as other network traffic.
20090110 21:01:48< Shadow_Master> then something is really wrong there.
20090110 21:02:06< Shadow_Master> unless it compresses the "packet" *after*reporting its size.
20090110 21:02:09< Soliton> well, the 13MB is gzip compressed.
20090110 21:02:21< Soliton> i'd think so.
20090110 21:02:36< Shadow_Master> that's not what it's intended to be, I guess.
20090110 21:03:13< Soliton> i'd rather say the 13MB are not too useful.
20090110 21:03:31< Soliton> since that's not how much space it'll take you.
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20090110 21:04:30< Soliton> though it is how much you have to download.
20090110 21:04:45< Shadow_Master> um, true. But it'd be nice to see the size of the real upload after it is compressed and before it is transferred
20090110 21:05:03< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: 1.10.3 from addon server starts for me. 
20090110 21:05:25< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: could you paste stderr.txt nonetheless?
20090110 21:05:44< Shadow_Master> stderr.
20090110 21:06:04< Shadow_Master> ESR_: around?
20090110 21:06:41< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: http://rafb.net/p/IWSR9f98.html
20090110 21:07:10< Shadow_Master> reminder for myself: allow wesnoth's addon interface to be used from the commandline
20090110 21:07:25< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: that bug... I forgot.
20090110 21:07:37< Soliton> that's probably a good idea, yeah.
20090110 21:08:21< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: FYI you can run wesnoth through ssh's X11 forwarding :)
20090110 21:08:38< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: and blow up the WLAN? Gee, no thanks
20090110 21:08:39< loonycyborg> So you don't need command-line :P
20090110 21:08:51< Shadow_Master> I barely have badwidth for text-only SSH.
20090110 21:09:16< Shadow_Master> if I had a true connection I'd be using Wesnoth for it myself...
20090110 21:09:20 * loonycyborg forgot that he used 100Mb ethernet to run wesnoth through ssh
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20090110 21:10:06< Shadow_Master> signal, actually.
20090110 21:12:51< Soliton> Shadow_Master: what's email= supposed to be?
20090110 21:13:51< Shadow_Master> shikadilord@users.sourceforge.net
20090110 21:15:40< Soliton> ok, added the fields.
20090110 21:15:55< Shadow_Master> thanks a bunch :)
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20090110 21:28:27< Ivanovic> hi
20090110 21:28:49< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: to be able to give jetryl access at sf.net, i need to know his account first
20090110 21:28:53< loonycyborg> Hello, Ivanovic
20090110 21:29:07< Ivanovic> and yes, i should have the power to add him there
20090110 21:29:17< grzywacz> ?_?
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20090110 21:29:35 * crimson_penguin has the power to summon the mighty Jetrel :O
20090110 21:29:37< Jetrel> Ivanovic: my sf username is "jetryl"
20090110 21:30:06< Sirp_> btw, who wrote units.wesnoth.org ?
20090110 21:30:11< Shadow_Master> *sigh*
20090110 21:30:12< Sirp_> i.e. the current version of the script behind it?
20090110 21:31:20< Soliton> Sirp_: elias
20090110 21:31:30< Sirp_> ahhh
20090110 21:31:38 * Sirp_ wonders if he can convince him to write stats.wesnoth.org for us
20090110 21:31:46< Ivanovic> Jetrel: okay, you should be in and able to upload data
20090110 21:32:03< crimson_penguin> Jetrel: https://sourceforge.net/project/admin/editreleases.php?package_id=93826&release_id=650431&group_id=89495
20090110 21:32:17< crimson_penguin> Go down to Step 2
20090110 21:32:31< Ivanovic> to upload things (in this case the file "file"), use this command: rsync -avP -e ssh FILE jetryl@frs.sourceforge.net:uploads/
20090110 21:32:40< Ivanovic> it will ask for your sf.net password
20090110 21:32:40< Jetrel> okay - I see a file corresponding to the file I uploaded.
20090110 21:32:49< Ivanovic> then add the file to the release
20090110 21:32:52< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I showed him that part yesterday
20090110 21:32:59< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20090110 21:33:22< Ivanovic> after adding it to the release, set the "Processor" for the new file to mac universal
20090110 21:33:27< Ivanovic> and the file type to .dmg
20090110 21:33:41< Ivanovic> and remove the file Wesnoth_1.5.7a.dmg
20090110 21:35:12< Jetrel> Ivanovic:  all done. :)
20090110 21:35:27< crimson_penguin> yay! :)
20090110 21:35:31< zookeeper> yo Jetrel
20090110 21:35:41< Jetrel> zookeeper: yeah?
20090110 21:35:48< zookeeper> Jetrel, could you PM me a bigger version of the old kalenz portrait? the one that's currently used in AOI
20090110 21:35:54< crimson_penguin> Shadow_Master: Jetrel hath fixed my mistake
20090110 21:36:30< Jetrel> zookeeper:  no longer have it, since that image was considered deprecated.
20090110 21:36:36< zookeeper> Jetrel, urgh :x right
20090110 21:36:39< Ivanovic> now change all download links that you can change which point to Wesnoth_1.5.7a.dmg so that they point to Wesnoth_1.5.7b.dmg
20090110 21:36:48< Ivanovic> (that is mainly the downloads page in the wiki
20090110 21:36:55< zookeeper> i assumed you'd have kept things like that...somewhere
20090110 21:36:59< kitty_> zookeeper: i'll delete the background...
20090110 21:37:03< Jetrel> zookeeper:  if you ask me, that portrait should be removed
20090110 21:37:10< crimson_penguin> Jetrel: I can do that part
20090110 21:37:12< Jetrel> It's badly drawn.
20090110 21:37:13< zookeeper> Jetrel, and replaced with what?
20090110 21:37:13< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: no, I'm sighing about how bad this day has been for me
20090110 21:37:22< Ivanovic> i just updated the frontpage to have this in
20090110 21:37:27< Jetrel> zookeeper:  nothing is better than something bad.
20090110 21:37:37< crimson_penguin> Shadow_Master: I wasn't saying anything about your sigh, just saying... but that sucks
20090110 21:37:45< zookeeper> kitty_, thanks. i can't quite handle the redrawing part.
20090110 21:37:53 * zookeeper disagrees as usual
20090110 21:37:53 * Shadow_Master goes to eat
20090110 21:37:59 * Shadow_Master bites zookeeper 
20090110 21:37:59< Jetrel> Shadow_Master:  What's up? :(
20090110 21:38:04< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: Then you should post in this topic http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=23611
20090110 21:38:13< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: indeed I should
20090110 21:38:14< kitty_> zookeeper: but he just said that he didn't want it used anymore...
20090110 21:38:31< zookeeper> well, now we have those generic lord portraits, sure..
20090110 21:38:52< Jetrel> zookeeper: actually, that'd be the perfect portrait to use in place of it.
20090110 21:39:03< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic, Jetrel: uhh, I don't have access to edit the wiki, so I guess I can't do that
20090110 21:39:26< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: uhm, you should have
20090110 21:39:36< Jetrel> I believe the author of that campaign resurrected my old/bad portrait because there was no generic portrait for elven lords.
20090110 21:39:37< kitty_> zookeeper: i think it's up to Jetrel  to decide - it's his art (although i'd prefer using it till we have something better...)
20090110 21:39:38< Ivanovic> everybody with an account can edit the downloads page in the wiki!
20090110 21:40:13< crimson_penguin> wellll, my browser has login info saved, but it doesn't work
20090110 21:40:30< Ivanovic> so you got to reloging?
20090110 21:40:48< zookeeper> Jetrel, well, if you really want to, then yeah, i guess we can resort to the generic one now.
20090110 21:41:09< crimson_penguin> well, I just made an account, so now it works :)
20090110 21:41:26< Ivanovic> okay, without account it is difficult to edit the wiki
20090110 21:41:27< Ivanovic> ;)
20090110 21:41:43< crimson_penguin> :D
20090110 21:41:55< crimson_penguin> well, it's edited
20090110 21:42:02< Ivanovic> good
20090110 21:49:03< Jetrel> zookeeper:  yeah, I was mildly twerked when I first saw that thing get resurrected, but since at the time it was a completely non-mainline campaign, I didn't feel like I had the right to 'demand' that the author not use it.
20090110 21:51:20< cib0> saves seem to be a total mess at some points..
20090110 21:52:28< kitty_> Jetrel: ok, we'll respect that, of course. how's delf comming along?
20090110 21:52:58< Jetrel> kitty_:  untouched since last you saw, but thank you very much for that advice!
20090110 21:53:39< Jetrel> I think I'm going to first tackle removing the backgrounds from those last 3 portraits for UTBS.
20090110 21:54:29< kitty_> Jetrel: i didn't want to badger you, i was just curious...
20090110 21:54:49 * Jetrel nods
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20090110 22:15:19< Soliton> looks like wesnoth is removing \ in the path for some reason: http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8392/sinttulota0.gif
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20090110 22:17:55< Shadow_Master> now the changelog is borked thanks to me...
20090110 22:18:22< ilor> Soliton: something's screwed up with widnows-style directory names, I've been bitten by that in the editor a few times iirc but never got round to fixing it
20090110 22:18:24< Shadow_Master> I deserve a kick in you know where
20090110 22:21:05< Soliton> ilor: yeah, the rest of the path is fine though.
20090110 22:22:00< ilor> Soliton: actually, C:Directory/bla/bla would probably work (if you only skip the first /)
20090110 22:22:16< ilor> but it seems some of the middle ones get removed too
20090110 22:22:19< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32046 /trunk/changelog: Fix a screwed up change in the changelog.
20090110 22:22:25< Soliton> yeah, but that is coincidence more or less. :-)
20090110 22:37:23< Shadow_Master> a headache. The cherry of the cake.
20090110 22:38:01< Shadow_Master> um, my entire face's bones are hurting
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20090110 22:49:34< Soliton> ok it looks like the code to handle MyGames stuff uses \ instead of the expected /.
20090110 22:51:28< ilor> ah, the "F***ing annoying windows /\ difference" again
20090110 22:52:14< Soliton> well, internally we just use / which i think works fine either way.
20090110 22:52:40< loonycyborg> Soliton: Do you mean my code which gets location of My Documents? :)
20090110 22:52:43< Soliton> but that code uses \ and the string is probably evaluated somewhere where \ means escape.
20090110 22:52:59< Soliton> loonycyborg: indeed.
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20090110 22:53:15< Shadow_Master> IIRC the pure Windows API doesn't recognize /
20090110 22:53:16< Soliton> loonycyborg: you should replace \ with / there.
20090110 22:53:20< Shadow_Master> not sure
20090110 22:53:39< loonycyborg> Soliton: How do I repro that particular bug?
20090110 22:54:06< Soliton> loonycyborg: try to delete an addon when you have the preference dir under mygames, i guess.
20090110 22:55:02< ilor> I think I had a problem with slashes in editor's --load with relative paths that went away after I replaced all \s passed in from command line into /s
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20090110 23:25:05< Sapient> The more comments I read from Linus about programming, the more inclined I am to think he is wrong on a great many things
20090110 23:26:16< DDR> What is the opposite of "victory_when_enemies_defeated=" ?
20090110 23:26:18< loonycyborg> He is merely *demi*god, so what did you expect? :P
20090110 23:27:00< DDR> I need.. something... so that a team can have no units and still be in the game... :/
20090110 23:27:58< Sapient> DDR: victory_when_enemies_defeated=false?
20090110 23:28:20< DDR> I mean, something that applies to yourself.
20090110 23:28:43< DDR> victory_when_you_yourself_are_defeated=no
20090110 23:29:01< Sapient> uuuh
20090110 23:29:08< DDR> *=false
20090110 23:29:09< Sapient> doubt that's possible
20090110 23:29:40< DDR> Hm, I need some way so I can have no units and not loose... is that just flat-out impossible?
20090110 23:30:21< cib0> DDR: according to everything i know, yes, you usually put a dummy unit in that case
20090110 23:30:39< DDR> Hm, OK. Thanks.
20090110 23:30:42< Sapient> you could have an invisible dummy unit and then end_turn so there is no chance to use it
20090110 23:31:49< cib0> Sapient: how old are the most recent comments of Linus?
20090110 23:32:54< Sapient> cib0, I don't know. I was just reading some undated comments where he says that every one should be forced to use 8-spaces for indentation and if you have more than three levels of nesting then your program is broken
20090110 23:34:37< Soliton> the first comment isn't really about programming.
20090110 23:34:49< cib0> ok, well =) well, who knows what he is refering to there
20090110 23:36:13< cib0> Soliton: what else would it be about?
20090110 23:36:32< Sapient> madness?
20090110 23:37:07< Sapient> "this is sparta! 8-spaces!"
20090110 23:37:11< Soliton> taste.
20090110 23:38:53< Soliton> the point is i wouldn't judge linus' ides about programming by such a comment.
20090110 23:38:53< cib0> programming is a matter of taste
20090110 23:39:31< Sapient> far be it from me to argue with Soliton
20090110 23:39:47< Sapient> he is a ruthless opponent
20090110 23:39:51 * Soliton turns on the sarcasm detector.
20090110 23:41:39< Turuk> Soliton is the best developer ever.
20090110 23:41:46< Turuk> beep beep beeep beeeeep beeeeeeep!
20090110 23:41:48 * Turuk hides.
20090110 23:41:55< cib0> Linus might know alot about programming, especially in his area, but from what i know about him, i don't admire him that much as person
20090110 23:42:34< loonycyborg> Linus doesn't know much about C++. He's a C luddite :P
20090110 23:43:10< Soliton> cib0: after watching the git video i have to agree.
20090110 23:48:16< cib0> compared to the other web communities i know wesnoth seems to be quite a nice one
20090110 23:49:31< Sapient> that's not what nosebane said about us ;)
20090110 23:49:57< cib0> who is nosebane?
20090110 23:50:04< Sapient> a.k.a. "enclave"
20090110 23:51:24< cib0> that still doesn't tell me much
20090110 23:52:01< Turuk> the guy who wrote the to the developers threads
20090110 23:52:16< Turuk> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=20143
20090110 23:52:22< Turuk> the last line will sum it all up for you ;)
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20090110 23:54:25< cib0> i could even agree to the first bit, but i doubt that's different on other communities like wesnoth
20090110 23:54:45< Turuk> the first part speaks towards any community that has humans in it
20090110 23:54:55< Turuk> unless you all are robots....
20090110 23:56:05< cib0> there can still be differences in how much the members of a community agree
20090110 23:57:20< Turuk> that was my point, it's human nature for you all to have differences
20090110 23:57:37< cib0> well, ok :)
20090110 23:57:58< cib0> anyway, away
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