--- Log opened Tue Jan 13 00:00:14 2009
20090113 00:00:36< Neoriceisgod> Huh
20090113 00:00:42< Neoriceisgod> Thespaceinvader: Thanks
20090113 00:01:01< thespaceinvader> Neoriceisgod: no worries
20090113 00:01:11< Shadow_Master> (don't hurt mE)
20090113 00:01:42< Turuk> cobra PMed me about politics....politics!
20090113 00:01:59< Shadow_Master> Turuk: politics of the forum?
20090113 00:02:06< Turuk> US politics
20090113 00:02:10< Shadow_Master> or politics in the broader sense of the word... ah
20090113 00:02:26< Turuk> sigh
20090113 00:02:37< thespaceinvader> Turuk: that surprises you?
20090113 00:02:37< Turuk> try for some vague dissuasive response
20090113 00:02:43< Turuk> *I'll
20090113 00:02:45< Turuk> no, not really
20090113 00:02:47< thespaceinvader> he's bugged a lot of people as far as i know
20090113 00:03:07< Turuk> but my inbox is cluttered with people who PM me each day about stuff, and now he is adding to it
20090113 00:03:10< Turuk> :( 
20090113 00:03:31< thespaceinvader> there's a delete button for a reason =P
20090113 00:03:34< Sirp> Turuk: you don't have to reply....
20090113 00:03:55< Sirp> I often just reply with "if you want to discuss this, do so publically in the forums...."
20090113 00:03:55< Turuk> I know Sirp and TSI, but I cannot help but be polite, especially to a young kid
20090113 00:04:02< Turuk> oooo I like that
20090113 00:04:15< Turuk> sounds like the advice of a man with practice dealing with it
20090113 00:04:16< Sirp> this Eragon guy PMed me for help with a C++ program he was developing
20090113 00:04:28< Sirp> so that's what I told him.
20090113 00:04:28< Sirp> and plenty of others. :)
20090113 00:04:35< loonycyborg> Turuk: cobra once PMd me about broken PM on the forum.
20090113 00:04:49< Sirp> just like "if you want to discuss it, it's probably best to do so on the forums. If I have anything useful to contribute, I will contribute there."
20090113 00:04:53< loonycyborg> But nobody else ever MPd me.
20090113 00:04:54< Shadow_Master> Sirp: you could have told him to read what people post
20090113 00:05:01< Shadow_Master> and have viisted the sites they told him to do.
20090113 00:05:04< Turuk> interesting, thanks Sirp
20090113 00:05:07< Shadow_Master> www.allegro.cc, for instance.
20090113 00:05:13< Turuk> ahh loonycyborg.. that... is the funniest thing I have heard today
20090113 00:05:24< Sirp> Shadow_Master: well yeah, the problem with Eragon seemed to be he ignored everyone's suggestions.
20090113 00:06:19< loonycyborg> Turuk: It was broken only on receive, send worked fine :)
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20090113 00:08:58< kitty_> thespaceinvader: hmm, wouldn't the end of the belt cast a further shadow... and did you folow lordbob's desaturating the backgound details advise? it's only tiny details, but they would really improve the pic... and my longwinded anti-green-trousers-rant didn't convince you? :(
20090113 00:09:56 * Sirp can't help but wonder what is wrong with green trousers, and goes to the forums to find out....
20090113 00:10:00< thespaceinvader> kitty_ it was a little technobabbly, and i still like the green =D
20090113 00:10:17 * Turuk thinks kitty_ has other things on her mind when following the line of the weapon.....
20090113 00:10:21< thespaceinvader> kitty_ and i desaturated the background stuff to some extent, yeah
20090113 00:10:32 * Turuk went axe head, arm, shoulder, chest/head region
20090113 00:10:39< kitty_> last try: how about some green moss on the armour?
20090113 00:10:44 * kitty_ gives up
20090113 00:10:56< Shadow_Master_> don't :(
20090113 00:11:09< Shadow_Master_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23206&start=225 <- nice!
20090113 00:11:09 * thespaceinvader also gives up - i've done too much minute fiddling on him now
20090113 00:11:42< thespaceinvader> as regards moss, i've tried to convey the impression that he's taken good care of his armour, it's just old - after all, he is at least semi-sentient, and a consummate warrior
20090113 00:12:08< kitty_> thespaceinvader: let me look at him tomorrow again, i'm too biased today ;)
20090113 00:12:16< kitty_> and the moss wasn't serious
20090113 00:12:21< thespaceinvader> kitty_ sure, i'll hold off on the commit, then
20090113 00:12:27 * Sirp can kinda see kitty_'s point that the portrait seems 'dominated' by the axe and crotch area, with the head seeming like an afterthought. 
20090113 00:13:00< Sirp> of course, there's no way I could ever draw a picture anywhere remotely as good as that, so it's probably not worthwhile me commenting on it. :)
20090113 00:13:01< thespaceinvader> and shadow_master: awesome, what's the procedure on putting in alternate portraits?
20090113 00:13:16< Shadow_Master_> thespaceinvader: no WML.
20090113 00:13:16 * kitty_ is relieved, that she isn't completely crazy (perhaps)
20090113 00:13:26< thespaceinvader> Sirp: for major construction issues, look to girgistan, i just inked and coloured
20090113 00:13:33< Shadow_Master_> thespaceinvader: just add the file under the usual directories with some numberic postfix I guess
20090113 00:13:51< Shadow_Master_> e.g. human-marshal-2.png
20090113 00:13:51< thespaceinvader> thought that was the way - it's how the orc warlords currently work
20090113 00:14:17< Shadow_Master_> yes, once mordante fixes his mess we'll be able to make real use of them... 
20090113 00:14:42< thespaceinvader> on which note, when Girgistan and i get around to sorting out the orcs, finally, I hope to give them the same treatment - at least 2 or 3 variations
20090113 00:14:42< Shadow_Master_> mordante ;) (don't take it badly)
20090113 00:15:25< kitty_> Sirp: do you really want to keep my quick campaign background pics as the mainscreen background - i hate it more everytime i open it  in 1.5 ... and kestenvarn's map was so beautiful!
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20090113 00:16:09< kitty_> thespaceinvader: sounds good - i would really like to see them! just not too werewolf-ish...
20090113 00:16:14 * Turuk is partial to the map as well....
20090113 00:16:31< thespaceinvader> kitty_ i agree on that
20090113 00:16:36< thespaceinvader> we need to come to a happy medium
20090113 00:17:05< Sirp> kitty_: if you think the map looks better, we will use the map.
20090113 00:17:05< kitty_> these pics jut look like they weren't meant for this place... (which they aren't)
20090113 00:17:19< kitty_> that easy? great!
20090113 00:17:28< Sirp> kitty_: okay; I will replace with the map then.
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20090113 00:17:35< kitty_> thank you :)
20090113 00:17:51< Turuk> this might seem random, but does anyone else have a problem with the gryphon's animation in 1.5.7?
20090113 00:17:51< Sirp> kitty_: if you and/or Jetryl ever wanted to develop image(s) specifically designed for the title screen though, I'm sure that would be awesome. :)
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20090113 00:18:31< thespaceinvader> Turuk: in what way?
20090113 00:18:39< kitty_> Sirp: i think so, too. and don't forget about lordbob... we just need something made for this job!
20090113 00:18:44< Shadow_Master__> kitty_: once we have that "beautiful map" (idea) you mentioned to me, perhaps I can push it into mainline... ;)
20090113 00:18:52< kitty_> ;)
20090113 00:18:57< thespaceinvader> kitty_ should I commit the finished marshal alternate by lorbdob?
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20090113 00:19:16< thespaceinvader> or lordbob, assuming i can actually type
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20090113 00:19:19< Sirp> kitty_: if you ever start telling me whether I should use C++ or Python to program in, then I will become arrogant enough also to think that I should be able to tell you which art looks better. Until that time, I will stick my nose well out of it to avoid making myself look stupid. :)
20090113 00:19:29< kitty_> thespaceinvader: of course! 
20090113 00:19:36< Sirp> kitty_: and I must be really out of it, but uhhhhh who is lordbob? Is he new?
20090113 00:19:46< Turuk> when facing southeast, the wing on the right side and the bandana of the dwarf which reach outside the hex on the wings going up.... stay drawn on the other hex even when the gryphon moves down
20090113 00:19:50< Shadow_Master_> Sirp: he's making portraits for all the loyalists 
20090113 00:19:59< Shadow_Master_> new indeed
20090113 00:20:01< Turuk> this occurs when mirrored when the gryphon faces southwest
20090113 00:20:02< Sirp> Shadow_Master_: ahhhh. That is cool.
20090113 00:20:11 * Sirp goes to search...
20090113 00:20:11< Shadow_Master_> Sirp: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23206 page 1 and onwards
20090113 00:20:21< kitty_> and he is quick! really non-human!
20090113 00:20:36< Shadow_Master_> he isn't from this planet. What would you expect ? ;)
20090113 00:20:44 * Sirp immediately has a rather strong liking for this lordbob fellow.
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20090113 00:21:31< thespaceinvader> turuk: i've seen that effect on hex-breaking anims for a while - i think it's produced when memory's a little sparse
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20090113 00:21:45< Turuk> gasp, my memory?
20090113 00:22:12< Turuk> but but, my baby would never do a half-ass job
20090113 00:24:18< Shadow_Master_> Turuk: perhaps tell boucman about it
20090113 00:24:43< kitty_> Sirp: another problem with the mainscreen picture is (whenever we get a decent pic) that it looks really ugly when you resize the window... it get's compressed or stretched if i resize the window which isn't really nice for representional drawings... but that doesn't matter right now, i guess
20090113 00:24:44< Turuk> in all seriousness, is it a potential game issue or a my computer issue? I will
20090113 00:25:04< Shadow_Master_> Turuk: most likely game
20090113 00:25:16< Turuk> boucman, if you can, see my above comment about the gryphon's animation that exceeds the hex staying drawn on the areas outside the hex
20090113 00:25:20< Shadow_Master_> Turuk: unless you don't own a computer made in this planet, that is
20090113 00:25:30< Turuk> well I did buy from LordBob
20090113 00:25:31< Turuk> .....
20090113 00:25:53< Sirp> kitty_: well, if you have an idea for a better way to do it, we could try it. I would imagine something like putting the picture in a frame and always maintaining its dimensions or something of the sort....
20090113 00:26:00< Sirp> I do agree that stretching it isn't nice.
20090113 00:26:53< kitty_> yep. but we'll only have to worry about that if we get (or do) a new one... fixed dimensions or cropping it off at the sides
20090113 00:27:09< Shadow_Master_> there is something with one of them that makes it look like a bad photography indeed
20090113 00:27:15< Shadow_Master_> (don't hurt me kitty_) :(
20090113 00:27:27 * kitty_ takes out her whip...
20090113 00:27:55 * kitty_ knows that... they were done as *quick* placeholders...
20090113 00:28:22< Shadow_Master_> it is just a JPEG artifact :(
20090113 00:28:59< kitty_> it's more than that, i'm sure
20090113 00:29:35< kitty_> thespaceinvader: did you read my as a matter of course yes on lordbob's latest pic?
20090113 00:30:00< thespaceinvader> kitty: i did
20090113 00:30:13< thespaceinvader> i sent the commit already, but it doesn't seem to have registered yet o_O
20090113 00:30:37< kitty_> ah, i just read in the thread, that you waited for my ok...
20090113 00:30:47< thespaceinvader> crossposted i think
20090113 00:31:01< thespaceinvader> it has gone in, but CIA-53 hasn't noticed
20090113 00:31:29 * Shadow_Master_ updates his WC
20090113 00:31:32 * Turuk kicks CIA-53
20090113 00:31:32< CIA-53> ow
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20090113 00:43:33< Turuk> and who said you Wesnoth devs do not have a sense of humor....  http://imagebin.org/35640
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20090113 00:44:21< Shadow_Master_> Turuk: hahaha :P
20090113 00:44:35< CIA-53> thespaceinvader * r32106 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Add alternate Marshal portrait by LordBob, update changelog.
20090113 00:44:47< thespaceinvader> aaah, there we go
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20090113 00:45:37< Shadow_Master_> "Pelais"
20090113 00:46:39< thespaceinvader> Shadow_Master: pelais?
20090113 00:47:08< Shadow_Master_> yup. You must be chilean to laugh at it I guess.
20090113 00:47:36< Shadow_Master_> " pelao' " is the generic nickname for bald people
20090113 00:47:54< Shadow_Master_> and most of the dwarves are bald.
20090113 00:48:19< thespaceinvader> aha
20090113 00:48:31< Shadow_Master_> okay. failure. nobody understands the joke.
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20090113 00:48:34< thespaceinvader> lol
20090113 00:48:51< thespaceinvader> i thought you'd misspelled the name of the messenger from the end of tHoT - Pelias
20090113 00:48:56< Shadow_Master_> what about "Analia"? female elvish name in data/core/macros/names.cfg
20090113 00:49:10< Shadow_Master_> thespaceinvader: no, Pelais has actually appeared to me in MP games
20090113 00:49:31< Shadow_Master_> let's talk about why a *female* has the "Lord" title in TRoW, okay?
20090113 00:49:33< thespaceinvader> ah ok
20090113 00:49:41< Shadow_Master_> it's giving me headaches for translating... "Lord Dionli".
20090113 00:50:09< Shadow_Master_> that does not parse into Spanish unless I replace Lord with Lady.
20090113 00:50:37< Shadow_Master_> thespaceinvader: you live in the U.K. right?
20090113 00:50:50< loonycyborg> Last time I played TRoW it wasn't possible to tell whether he's lord or she's lady IIRC :)
20090113 00:51:02< Shadow_Master_> loonycyborg: why?
20090113 00:51:22< thespaceinvader> Shadow_Master: yeah
20090113 00:51:35< Shadow_Master_> thespaceinvader: can females be given the title of "Lord" there?
20090113 00:51:44< thespaceinvader> nope
20090113 00:51:59< thespaceinvader> Lord is very definitely a masculine title
20090113 00:52:04< thespaceinvader> the alternative would be Lady
20090113 00:52:07< Shadow_Master_> :-/ I'd like to teleport myself to 2004 and slap Shade with a fish
20090113 00:52:14< thespaceinvader> but Dionli could be a guy's name
20090113 00:52:17< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master_: Based on the portrait I mean.
20090113 00:52:54< Shadow_Master_> loonycyborg: well, 'she' definitively has breasts. Not very feminine, but yeah :/
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20090113 00:53:23< Shadow_Master_> and 'she' uses the core Elvish Shyde unit, therefore 'her' unit appears as "Elfa" (race) and "Hada elfa" (unit type)
20090113 00:53:44< Shadow_Master_> both the race and unit type are female variants of the root
20090113 00:54:13< Shadow_Master_> thespaceinvader: that also bugs me
20090113 00:54:18< loonycyborg> Then I have no idea why it's 'Lord' :/
20090113 00:54:38< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master_: Perhaps ask the campaigns author? :)
20090113 00:54:45 * Shadow_Master_ is attempting to force "Lady Dionli" into the Spanish translation, but runs the risk of being slapped with many fish
20090113 00:54:49< Shadow_Master_> loonycyborg: Shade is around no more.
20090113 00:54:53< loonycyborg> *campaign's
20090113 00:55:08< Shadow_Master_> now, if you can build a time machine for me, then I'll do.
20090113 00:55:19< thespaceinvader> Shadow_Master: I take it the i  suffix is the wrong gender for the indiviual?
20090113 00:56:00< Shadow_Master_> thespaceinvader: no. "Lord".
20090113 00:56:11< thespaceinvader> ah right
20090113 00:56:13< Shadow_Master_> that's the problem. Translated to spanish it is "Señor" (and that's only valid for males)
20090113 00:56:26 * loonycyborg starts building time machine. This will take much time, but it can redurn that time with dividents :)
20090113 00:56:37< Shadow_Master_> non-translated it'd still be "Lord" and confuse people since "she" will have to be refered to as a female
20090113 00:56:49 * DDR (notes that many fish have just landed next to Shadow_Master.)
20090113 00:57:07< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master_: AFAIK english word lord is valid for males only too.
20090113 00:58:33< Shadow_Master_> yep. >.<
20090113 00:58:59< loonycyborg> Ask ESR to be sure though :)
20090113 00:59:05< thespaceinvader> night all
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20090113 00:59:28< DDR> A female Lord is called a Lady.
20090113 01:00:11< Shadow_Master_> ESR_: pling #4
20090113 01:00:20< ESR_> ?
20090113 01:00:47< Shadow_Master_> ESR_: could you read about the issue at hand above?
20090113 01:01:05< Shadow_Master_> "Lord Dionli" blahblah
20090113 01:01:42< ESR_> Yes, "Lady" is the corresponding female title.  What else do you need to know?
20090113 01:01:54< Shadow_Master_> ESR_: whether this should be changed in TRoW or not.
20090113 01:02:06< Shadow_Master_> it's been my most annoying bug for ages
20090113 01:02:22< Shadow_Master_> ages = since Nov. 2005, when I started playing Wesnoth.
20090113 01:02:33< ESR_> I'm not sure what the pros and cons are.  Why does Dionli's gender matter?
20090113 01:02:43< Shadow_Master_> ESR_: spanish
20090113 01:03:01< Shadow_Master_> any refering to her must be done in the correct gender ...
20090113 01:03:29< ESR_> OK, let me ask it a different way: what gender cues aabout Dionli are present in the English text?
20090113 01:03:30< loonycyborg> ESR_: Because she's a shyde, and can't be male consequently.
20090113 01:03:38< ESR_> Ahhhh.
20090113 01:03:43< ESR_> Make sense.
20090113 01:03:57< Shadow_Master_> and "Lord" is inherently male. The unit is displayed in the sidebar with female references. But "Lord" (or the proper translation, "Señor") is not compatible with that, nor in  English or Spanish.
20090113 01:04:09< ESR_> OK, yes, make it "Ldy Dionli".
20090113 01:04:15< Shadow_Master_> Oldest... bug ... ever.
20090113 01:04:16< ESR_> Lady, sorry.
20090113 01:04:36< Shadow_Master_> ESR_: I actually expected that you would have noticed it at some point
20090113 01:05:01< Shadow_Master_> I bugged you (all people) a few times but this is the first time I get answers :)
20090113 01:08:27< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32107 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/ (15_New_Land.cfg 16_Elf_Lords.cfg 18_A_Spy_in_the_Woods.cfg): 
20090113 01:08:27< CIA-53> Major string melt ahed.
20090113 01:08:27< CIA-53> Replace "Lord Dionli" with "Lady Dionli" since the former is not correct
20090113 01:08:27< CIA-53> English, and she's using a female-only unit_type (Elvish Shyde).
20090113 01:08:27< CIA-53> This change is approved by ESR.
20090113 01:12:08< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32108 /trunk/changelog: 
20090113 01:12:08< CIA-53> I could not avoid documenting r32107 in the changelog, being the Oldest
20090113 01:12:08< CIA-53> Bug Ever(tm) as far as I know.
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20090113 01:26:34< Shadow_Master_> Sapient: if it is fixed ( http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13827 ) why not lock it as well? :P
20090113 01:26:58< Shadow_Master_> Sapient: and yes, I'm sure you can figure out when the [wml_message]s are echoed to the game chat.
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20090113 01:40:28< Sapient> Turuk: careful you don't burn yourself out with all that moderatoring ;)
20090113 01:40:40< Turuk> haha, just trying to do my job well
20090113 01:40:52< Sapient> well, we still want you sane
20090113 01:41:03< Turuk> psssh, well then you are a few years too late
20090113 01:41:06< Turuk> but I will do my best ;)
20090113 01:41:15< Sapient> kk
20090113 01:42:47< Turuk> if I am doing too much though, let me know
20090113 01:42:50< Sapient> Shadow_Master: well, I'm lazy. what log level goes to the chat? think of the releasenotes MAN! :p
20090113 01:43:38< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20090113 01:50:19< Turuk> Sirp, are you around?
20090113 01:54:26< Sirp> Turuk: for just a few minutes. What's up?
20090113 01:54:55< Turuk> quick question, there is the following thread http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=23653
20090113 01:55:09< Turuk> and I was going to post to the fact of your previous viewpoint about religion and probably just end it now
20090113 01:55:17< Turuk> to forestall the inevitable debate
20090113 01:55:29< Turuk> I was just checking to make sure you still felt the same before I quoted you
20090113 01:56:19< Sirp> Turuk: well didn't Ken_Oh already point to a previous thread on the matter?
20090113 01:56:42< Turuk> yeah, but cool evil seems to refuse to read and asked the whole well why don't we make a religion solely for the game
20090113 01:56:45< Sirp> Turuk: in any case, you are welcome to reference any previous post by me.
20090113 01:57:04< Turuk> Thanks, I am just going to reference you and lock it. :)
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20090113 01:58:04< Sirp> Turuk: sounds good; thanks. :)
20090113 01:58:23< Turuk> Not a problem. ;)
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20090113 02:29:54< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090113 03:09:30< Shadow_Master_> Sapient: changelog, silly.
20090113 03:09:58< Shadow_Master_> but I guess writing a release note doesn't hurt anybody... still, CHANGELOG ! ;)
20090113 03:10:11< Shadow_Master_> I also updated the wiki for it..
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20090113 03:35:25< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32109 /trunk/changelog: Fix indentation of first changelog entries.
20090113 03:35:33< Shadow_Master_> this is great: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=330163#p330163
20090113 03:35:44 * Shadow_Master_ rubs CIA-53's tummy
20090113 03:35:45< CIA-53> *purr*
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20090113 03:38:20< stvier> Sirp: frogatto looks really nice, just so you know ^_^
20090113 03:38:29< Sirp_> stvier: thanks. :)
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20090113 03:38:36< Sirp_> tell Neorice; he's the main one responsible.
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20090113 03:38:51< Thrawn> Sirp: already have ^_^
20090113 03:39:13< Sirp_> okay. :)
20090113 03:39:27< Shadow_Master_> :)
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20090113 03:49:41< Shadow_Master_> zookeeper: can you think of *ideas* for alternative variations of the faerie fire attack for non-mainline?
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20090113 03:58:41< Shadow_Master> wesbot: topic
20090113 03:58:51< Shadow_Master> couldn't resist ;)
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20090113 04:37:30< turin> hey all - anyone available to help me w/ compiling current SVN?
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20090113 09:18:13< YogiHH> Soliton, do you have any idea where i could find a baneblade for reproducing bug #7702 ? Survival extreme doesn't have one anymore and Colosseum doesn't seem to be on the add-on server.
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20090113 10:04:45< CIA-53> ivanovic * r32110 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-utbs/zh_CN.po): updated Chinese (Simplified) translation
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20090113 10:30:56< ilor> are we in this planned feature freeze yet or can I commit a new bit of sliiightly experimental WML-event functionality without worrying?
20090113 10:42:47< Rhonda> You'll feel the wrath of Ivanovic
20090113 10:43:30< ilor> it does not introduce new strings though ;)
20090113 10:45:10< Rhonda> That only means you won't receive the wrath of translators additionally. :)
20090113 11:04:14 * YogiHH is away: busy
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20090113 11:24:00< loonycyborg> 04:37 <turin> hey all - anyone available to help me w/ compiling current SVN?
20090113 11:24:21< loonycyborg> Why does he always ask for help when I sleep? :/
20090113 11:26:36< CIA-53> ilor * r32111 /trunk/ (changelog data/scenario-test.cfg src/game_events.cpp): add [replace_map] functionality. Allows completely changing the map in a scenario, including loading a map with a different size.
20090113 11:27:07< CIA-53> ilor * r32112 /trunk/src/ (sound.cpp sound.hpp): expand sound:: interface a bit
20090113 11:31:34< CIA-53> ilor * r32113 /trunk/src/ (game.cpp playcampaign.cpp): try to avoid restarting the music on load game if the song remains in the playlist
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20090113 11:38:11< CIA-53> ivanovic * r32114 /trunk/po/ (3 files in 3 dirs): updated Chinese (Simplified) translation
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20090113 18:00:42< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32115 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: 
20090113 18:00:42< CIA-53> Remove a line of a copy-pasted block of code in show_wml_messages(),
20090113 18:00:42< CIA-53> which was causing duplication of [wml_message] text in stderr.
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20090113 18:13:09< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: do you read the logs?
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20090113 18:14:50< YogiHH> Soliton, you there?
20090113 18:15:01< Soliton> YogiHH: yes.
20090113 18:15:11< Soliton> YogiHH: you could just play SX with a different era.
20090113 18:15:42< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: oh wait, that's a stupid question. Obviously you do.
20090113 18:15:45< YogiHH> Soliton: hmm, other eras have the baneblade?
20090113 18:16:26< Soliton> YogiHH: or the ghost. i'd have to look for one as well, though.
20090113 18:16:44< Soliton> you could also modify default or something.
20090113 18:17:15< YogiHH> i would have to give the ghost a second attack, then, right?
20090113 18:17:17< Soliton> btw, rusty intended to fix that bug with making drain only drain according to the HP left.
20090113 18:18:05< Soliton> YogiHH: doesn't the save work anymore?
20090113 18:18:21< YogiHH> Soliton: to be honest, it is so old that i didn't try ;-)
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20090113 18:19:25< YogiHH> Soliton: drain according to the HP left is the desired behaviour?
20090113 18:19:49< Shadow_Master> would it be considered a feature if story screens accepted the regular <x,y,z>, #, @, ` WML markup ? ;)
20090113 18:20:39< Soliton> YogiHH: i wouldn't mind such a change. makes more sense.
20090113 18:20:40< Shadow_Master> I just discovered that they calculate the text drawing area as if that markup was supported, but they ignore it at render time causing weird behavior like http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=331421#p331421
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20090113 18:29:01< JonW> Hi am I being stupid or blind? but I have played the_grey_woods sn twice now and according to the wiki there is an holy ankh lying around somewhere but I cann't seem to it any hints?
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20090113 18:30:04< Shadow_Master> looks like it was removed since that page was written
20090113 18:31:09< JonW> arrr... I spent a couple of turns looking for it!!!! :P
20090113 18:31:43< JonW> oh well onward
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20090113 18:39:57< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, i do
20090113 18:40:09< Shadow_Master> okay, you know what to do ;)
20090113 18:40:12< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, why?
20090113 18:40:32< Shadow_Master> 03:49
20090113 18:41:22< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, right. you mean variations of the animation?
20090113 18:41:28< Shadow_Master> ys
20090113 18:42:00< zookeeper> well, yeah.
20090113 18:42:52< zookeeper> i've been intending for a while to make a magic anim with some sparkly magic things appearing all around the unit and hitting it
20090113 18:44:11< Shadow_Master> ah, nice
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20090113 18:45:11< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: could you make Cernnunos an Art Contributor ?
20090113 18:45:32< Shadow_Master> since he made the oasis variations, according to Jetryl's policy he should be an AC now. However Jetryl seems to be ... gone.
20090113 18:45:43< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090113 18:45:52< Shadow_Master> (yes, I am impatient with this administrative stuff, sorry about that)
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20090113 18:55:40< Ivanovic> ilor: *NO* new features atm!!!
20090113 18:57:10< Shadow_Master> :(
20090113 18:57:23< Ivanovic> yes, this counts for Shadow_Master, too
20090113 18:57:27< Shadow_Master> :(
20090113 18:57:28< Ivanovic> as well as for everybody else
20090113 18:57:38< Ivanovic> if you want new features: create a branch!
20090113 18:58:02< Shadow_Master> I have not been adding features. Just fixing a bunch of awful mess-ups in the engine... ;)
20090113 18:58:20< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: why mordante can add features anyway? ;)
20090113 18:58:24< ilor> Ivanovic: I'll clean up later today, don't have the wc with me atm
20090113 19:03:56< zookeeper> hey, cool feature
20090113 19:04:01< Shadow_Master> https://gna.org/bugs/?12819 the last comment sounds really weird...
20090113 19:04:13< zookeeper> i don't see why that'd need to be removed. if you're worried it might be buggy, leave it undocumented :p
20090113 19:06:48 * zookeeper thinks feature freezes are mostly just silly
20090113 19:08:27< loonycyborg> zookeeper: Then releases are silly too :P
20090113 19:08:28< Shadow_Master> I thought we hadn't even reached beta stage, and that we were just at "soft stringfreeze"
20090113 19:08:31< Shadow_Master> ( /topic)
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20090113 19:08:54< zookeeper> loonycyborg, why would they?
20090113 19:09:15< Sirp> zookeeper: I'm afraid I haven't ever seen a software product actually launch successfully without some kind of feature freeze. :)
20090113 19:09:18< loonycyborg> zookeeper: How do you expect to make a release without a feature freeze?
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20090113 19:09:38< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: what >:|
20090113 19:09:46< Shadow_Master> then what is 1.5.1, 1.5.2, 1.5.3...
20090113 19:10:04< Sirp> what *is* silly is when you say you're going to have a feature freeze and then not strictly enforce it, hence it being something more like 'feature slush'
20090113 19:10:31 * Shadow_Master is still trying to find "Feature Freeze" in the topic
20090113 19:10:39< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: 1.6 is something different altogether.
20090113 19:10:51< zookeeper> loonycyborg, well, by making it without one i guess
20090113 19:10:51< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: stable release you meant then.
20090113 19:11:42< Shadow_Master> then again, when was it decided that we were at FF?  Mordante still has to implement features to fix a lot of regressions.
20090113 19:12:23< loonycyborg> Anyway, the only way to ensure that release will be relatively bug-free is to ensure that noone commits their WIP code just before release :)
20090113 19:13:33< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: 1.5 releases are more like development snapshots :P
20090113 19:13:50< Shadow_Master> nobody will answer my question as usual. no problem.
20090113 19:14:26< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: What question?
20090113 19:14:31 * Shadow_Master goes to consult an oracle.
20090113 19:14:42< Shadow_Master> I am sure you can figure it out.
20090113 19:15:13< loonycyborg> [21:03:55] <Shadow_Master> https://gna.org/bugs/?12819 the last comment sounds really weird... ?
20090113 19:15:36< loonycyborg> Wait.. this is not a question..
20090113 19:15:58< Shadow_Master> hint: FIFO.
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20090113 19:16:13< Sirp> if you don't have a feature freeze then there is basically no guarantee at all that two minutes before you tagged svn for the release, some guy committed his implementation of a really cool feature which just happens to cause severe memory corruption and make everything blow up
20090113 19:16:32< loonycyborg> [21:11:36] <Shadow_Master> then again, when was it decided that we were at FF?  Mordante still has to implement features to fix a lot of regressions.
20090113 19:17:36< loonycyborg> Sirp: Or cause trouble in other parts of program which that guy doesn't maintain or test :)
20090113 19:17:59< Sirp> loonycyborg: indeed.
20090113 19:18:05< zookeeper> Sirp, of course there's nothing wrong with having new features tested properly to make sure they don't break the game, the thing i find silly is blocking for instance a trivial new feature which is well tested
20090113 19:18:58< Sirp> zookeeper: I've just worked on far too many projects where that becomes a slippery slope.
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20090113 19:20:32< zookeeper> well, yeah, i suppose it can become that
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20090113 19:26:45< Shadow_Master> I suppose that now that we are in feature freeze, there is no hope that character-specific portraits will be available in 1.6.
20090113 19:28:27 * zookeeper slaps Shadow_Master
20090113 19:28:30< zookeeper> don't be ridiculous
20090113 19:29:01 * Shadow_Master is ridiculous by nature.
20090113 19:29:17< VladimirSlavik> hm, when's the next pot-update?
20090113 19:29:26< loonycyborg> zookeeper: Next time you'll tell him "Don't be Shadow_Master" :P
20090113 19:29:51< Ivanovic> VladimirSlavik: just had one about one or two days ago
20090113 19:29:56< Ivanovic> wait at least two more days
20090113 19:29:57< Ivanovic> ;)
20090113 19:30:40< VladimirSlavik> Well, I want to finally get to #1, of course :D
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20090113 19:31:33< Ivanovic> uhm, atm you are on one
20090113 19:32:40< VladimirSlavik> there is still one trophy left
20090113 19:32:50< VladimirSlavik> first at 100%
20090113 19:32:56< Ivanovic> IIRC you got a complete textdomain untranslated...
20090113 19:33:43< VladimirSlavik> well, why translate "test" ?
20090113 19:33:54< Ivanovic> to get 100%
20090113 19:33:55< Ivanovic> ;)
20090113 19:34:08< Ivanovic> the whole domain is basically for the unit test stuff
20090113 19:34:20< loonycyborg> Why put transtatable strings in test then? :P
20090113 19:34:31< VladimirSlavik> then it's the cherry on top...
20090113 19:34:45< Ivanovic> since there even is a unit test if translations are shown...
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20090113 20:51:48< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: pling
20090113 20:52:03< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: pong
20090113 20:52:08< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: satisfied with the topic?
20090113 20:52:27< Ivanovic> Dragonking: ping
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20090113 20:52:36< Dragonking> Ivanovic: pong
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20090113 20:52:57< Ivanovic> Dragonking: can you mail me when your flight will arrive and maybe a photo of yourself, so that i can more easily recognise you?
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20090113 20:53:26< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: much better than a silent decission
20090113 20:53:31< Dragonking> Ivanovic: I'll uplod info about me when I dfind time, prolly next week, is that ok?
20090113 20:53:34< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: now, what about the art contributor I mentioned?!
20090113 20:53:36< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: it was written on the ml, too
20090113 20:53:40< Ivanovic> Dragonking: sure
20090113 20:53:45< Dragonking> great
20090113 20:53:52< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: pah, relax...
20090113 20:54:24< Shadow_Master> s/Cernnunos/Cernunnos/
20090113 20:54:33< Shadow_Master> yes,, relax could perfectly apply to some other people...
20090113 20:54:48 * Ivanovic is currently busy with relaxing
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20090113 21:00:03 * Shadow_Master_ tries to relax at 4 disconnections per minute
20090113 21:01:09< Ivanovic> sounds like the perfect rhythm for relaxing...
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20090113 21:02:53< Shadow_Master_> ... at last, I found the place :/
20090113 21:25:26< Shadow_Master_> https://gna.org/bugs/?12854 <- a bug for the wiki.
20090113 21:25:32< Shadow_Master_> he could have edited it himself...
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20090113 21:31:24< Shadow_Master_> zookeeper: any reason attacks/hammer-dwarven-runic.png and attacks/mace-spiked.png haven't been used anywhere yet?
20090113 21:31:43< Shadow_Master_> I just made the mainline D. Runemaster use the first.
20090113 21:32:00< Shadow_Master_> but you may want to check, e.g. SoF
20090113 21:32:18< Shadow_Master_> (yes, that was a rethorical question)
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20090113 21:36:35< zookeeper> nope, no reason
20090113 21:36:49< Shadow_Master_> go fix it
20090113 21:37:12 * zookeeper scribbled it onto his todo list
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20090113 21:45:30< Shadow_Master_> daaaamn...
20090113 21:45:57< Shadow_Master_> I translated 520 messages to spanish for nothing!
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20090113 21:46:28< Shadow_Master_> ... the 2006 maintainer never merged my changes!
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20090113 21:48:06< Shadow_Master_> gmail to the rescue...
20090113 21:49:40< Shadow_Master_> now I'll have to figure out how to merge with trunk... this was for 1.3.9
20090113 21:50:28< Shadow_Master_> :_(
20090113 21:50:49< VladimirSlavik> ow...
20090113 21:50:57< VladimirSlavik> what domain was it?
20090113 21:51:17< Shadow_Master_> wesnoth-sof
20090113 21:51:35< Shadow_Master_> I translated it to the 100% and Roberto Romero disppeared just after replying to my last email
20090113 21:51:50< Shadow_Master_> so he never sent it to Torangan...
20090113 21:52:21< Shadow_Master_> goodness, what a bunch of incompetents we have been...
20090113 21:52:25< VladimirSlavik> well, that might work still, although I would recommend separating the "obsolete" texts after merging and checking them a 
20090113 21:52:42< VladimirSlavik> gainst te empty
20090113 21:52:45< VladimirSlavik> *the
20090113 21:52:49< Shadow_Master_> I'll try to use po2po.
20090113 21:53:26< stikonas_> loonycyborg: can you mark https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12854 as fixed?
20090113 21:53:27< Shadow_Master_> the newer translations cannot be better than mine
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20090113 21:54:23< Shadow_Master_> um... what am I doing. Let's just msgmerge them from the .pot...
20090113 21:54:39< Noyga> Shadow_Master_, was the translations of the .po updated from the translation team after that or not ?
20090113 21:55:20< Shadow_Master_> Noyga: yes, but by an incompetent maintainer whose strings I have had to discard since I took over the maintenance
20090113 21:55:47< Noyga> if not just put the 1.3.9 .po in the trunk dir then run "make es.po-update" to merge with current .pot
20090113 21:56:02< Shadow_Master_> I ran msgmerge -U  manually :o)
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20090113 21:56:37< Shadow_Master_> generated less than a fifth of fuzzies and untranslated messages...
20090113 21:56:43< Noyga> looks like you need an axe ;)
20090113 21:57:25< Shadow_Master_> ah, good that I didn't remove the original conversations from my email box
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20090113 21:59:36< VladimirSlavik> Shadow_Master_: you should be able to merge the rest manually by doing some advanced diffing
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20090113 22:01:12< VladimirSlavik> empty all texts from old and new po, diff; list not translated parts in new; compare and copy-paste where possible
20090113 22:02:34< Shadow_Master_> Um, I already sent them to my fellow translator for reviewing
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20090113 22:04:25< Shadow_Master_> YogiHH: things aren't good by your side it seems :/
20090113 22:04:45< YogiHH> ssssshhhhhh, don't disturb ;-)
20090113 22:04:58 * YogiHH plays with his new toy ;-)
20090113 22:05:25< Shadow_Master_> aaahh, I see. :-)
20090113 22:05:47 * YogiHH is configuring internet stuff for his brandnew lenovo W500 laptop :-D
20090113 22:06:53< Shadow_Master_> phew, at least my translation of wesnoth-did really made it into SVN back then,.
20090113 22:06:58< YogiHH> took me a while to transfer the xchat settings and there is an autologon :-)
20090113 22:07:33< Shadow_Master_> Ivanovic: uhh, could I commit directly a email address/translators name change in a .po file?
20090113 22:08:06< Ivanovic> sure
20090113 22:08:42< Ivanovic> YogiHH: wow, so no more "disassambled" laptop at fosdem?
20090113 22:09:01< YogiHH> nope :-)
20090113 22:09:03 * Ivanovic remembers your interesting setup in your old laptop...
20090113 22:09:07< Shadow_Master_> Ivanovic: what was it ?
20090113 22:09:11< Shadow_Master_> :P
20090113 22:09:32< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master_: let YogiHH explain, that is easier
20090113 22:09:37 * Ivanovic is afk now, watching some tv
20090113 22:10:11< Shadow_Master_> YogiHH: ?
20090113 22:10:22< YogiHH> a broken display anchor, that made me remove the rear cover with the lights and on/off switch (otherwise the display wouldn't close)
20090113 22:11:39< YogiHH> i also had to put off the connector, identify the two cabels for on/off (shortcircuiting them shuts the laptop down / boots ;-)
20090113 22:12:03< Shadow_Master_> uhhh sounds like my old laptop :)
20090113 22:12:18< YogiHH> amazingly enough, the other display anchor took the additional burden for about 3 years, i think
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20090113 22:12:56< Shadow_Master_> the difference is that shortcircuiting mine for booting it seems to have damaged the BIOS
20090113 22:14:41< YogiHH> not good
20090113 22:14:51< Shadow_Master_> but I no longer have to worry about it :)
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20090113 22:21:59< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: thanks for setting the user's group
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20090113 22:23:03< loonycyborg> stikonas: Done. I've also closed it since it's a wiki bug..
20090113 22:23:22< Shadow_Master> you should've left a comment first
20090113 22:23:37< Shadow_Master> e.g. "Fix it yourself - that's what wikis are for" ;)
20090113 22:25:03< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: I've left a comment with a link to the diff in wiki that fixes it.
20090113 22:25:19< loonycyborg> Though I'll keep your idea in mind for next time :)
20090113 22:25:43< Shadow_Master> thanks, it means much for me.
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20090113 22:48:44< Ivanovic> i am off to bed now, n8
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20090113 22:58:00< Shadow_Master> thespaceinvader: "since I don't have an active topic ATM... portraits!"
20090113 22:58:04< Shadow_Master> you now have two.
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20090113 23:00:55< thespaceinvader> Shadow_Master: one of them is Girgistan's and my co-op, one is mine alone =)
20090113 23:01:21< thespaceinvader> but i'll edit the title anyway, it could stand to be more informative
20090113 23:03:49< Turuk> I am going to smack this guy with a log
20090113 23:04:16< Soliton> an irclog?
20090113 23:05:00< Turuk> tempting
20090113 23:05:02< loonycyborg> No. SVN log :)
20090113 23:05:06< Turuk> TrashMan keeps double and triple posting
20090113 23:05:13< Turuk> I have warned him before
20090113 23:06:39< Turuk> 4
20090113 23:06:42< Turuk> 4 posts in a row
20090113 23:07:52< Baufo_> Turuk, any link? I'm too lazy to search :)
20090113 23:08:12< Sirp> maybe we should start using short-term (e.g. 24 hour) bans a little more liberally on the forums?
20090113 23:08:24< Turuk> too late now, I edited his old post and deleted them ;) 
20090113 23:08:26< Turuk> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=332155#p332155
20090113 23:08:36< Turuk> but go there and scroll up and I did him the favor of adding the edits myself
20090113 23:08:50< Turuk> I am going to add a warning that if he does it again, I will just delete the post without saving the information for him
20090113 23:08:59< Turuk> Sirp, I do like that idea
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20090113 23:32:21< BroodKiller1> heyo
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20090113 23:33:05< loonycyborg> hi
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20090113 23:34:03< BroodKiller1> anyone feels like giving me a design advice? I've decided to give a shot to a simple animation editor for Wesnoth, but I still have doubts regarding the interface...
20090113 23:34:21< BroodKiller1> here's the current look: http://i40.tinypic.com/13ympg4.jpg
20090113 23:35:30< BroodKiller1> the alpha is pretty much functional, that is it can open a cfg file, edit the frame data, preview the animation and save it back
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20090113 23:35:57< Rrenys> Shouldnt the hex&unit be in the center of the black area? (in case the animation is larger than 72*72)
20090113 23:36:19< BroodKiller1> I have some minor issues, which I will hopefull resolve soon, but otherwise it's enough for an initial alpha release, I guess
20090113 23:36:28< thespaceinvader> I'd change the background to a slightly lighter colour without any variation, to make the writing clearer
20090113 23:36:30< BroodKiller1> Rrenys: does it matter all that much?
20090113 23:36:52< BroodKiller1> I mean, there is not much problem in changing it, I am just curious
20090113 23:36:58< thespaceinvader> if you could integrate it with Shadow Master's TC program, that would be doubly awesome
20090113 23:37:45< BroodKiller1> thespaceinvader: the background is the system's default, and grey is what I use on my comp, that
20090113 23:37:54< BroodKiller1> +that's why it looks like that
20090113 23:37:58< thespaceinvader> no worries
20090113 23:38:24< BroodKiller1> should appear different on someone else's system
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20090113 23:39:24< BroodKiller1> what I am doubtful about the most is the general layout itself - the preview should be more of a square-sized thing, but I don't have any idea how to make it so with the current interface components
20090113 23:39:31< BroodKiller1> thespaceinvader: what TC program?
20090113 23:39:35< Rrenys> BroodKiller1, i mean, in case the animation frame is larger than 72*72, then wouldnt the part of the frame left or right of the 72*72 square be hidden?
20090113 23:40:08< BroodKiller1> ah, true dat, I didn't think about it
20090113 23:40:26< thespaceinvader> broodkiller1: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=22859 it's a program for testing TC without needing to turn on the game3
20090113 23:40:57< BroodKiller1> to be honest, I just took the first unit off the shelf for testing, and it happened to be the small vampire bat, 
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20090113 23:42:33< BroodKiller1> ah, I forgot to mention that the prog is developped with wxWidgets, so it cross-platforming shouldn't be an issue with it
20090113 23:42:45< thespaceinvader> broodkiller1: i suggest testing it out on the Gryphon Rider.  I thnk that has the biggest single animation in the current game
20090113 23:43:05< BroodKiller1> thespaceinvader: k, will look on that
20090113 23:46:07< YogiHH> mmm, wesnoth with 1920x1200 is certainly cool :-)
20090113 23:46:17< BroodKiller1> yeah, I guess I will center it - the anim plays fine, but the hex is off
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20090113 23:54:59< BroodKiller> so, if anyone's got some layout advice, I'd be grateful. if I'm not around, just PM me on the forums
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20090113 23:58:37< Patterner> http://dymer.de/SigSegV_2.txt different segfault... r32118
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