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20090117 00:00:05< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32170 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/03.An_Unexpected_Appearance.cfg: Gave the enemies starting villages and lowered their starting gold a little bit.
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20090117 00:09:01< zookeeper> ESR_, i did the carryover conversion for THoT today
20090117 00:09:20< zookeeper> (and AOI, in case anyone actually cares about it anymore)
20090117 00:09:35< ESR_> Was there anty difficulty with it?
20090117 00:09:54< zookeeper> no
20090117 00:09:54< YogiHH> rng plays funny games with me (reloading for the 6th time now, since that stupid ghost in my testcase didn't survive a single time :P)
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20090117 00:15:46< Sapient> attack it with your leader from castle
20090117 00:16:18< Sapient> that may trick the RNG ;)
20090117 00:23:19< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32171 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/scenarios/4_Gathering_Materials.cfg: Fixed bug #12859.
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20090117 00:38:22< CIA-53> jhinrichs * r32172 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: fix bug #7702 (and do it right this time)
20090117 00:38:40< YogiHH> Soliton: really fixed now
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20090117 00:39:19< Ivanovic> n8
20090117 00:39:25< YogiHH> off to bed, good night everyone
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20090117 00:48:51< Sapient> Shadow_Master-- ok, I just tested it; looks like r32142 fixed it
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20090117 03:10:52< Shadow_Master> Sapient: no, some artwork updates are blocking my working copy update
20090117 03:13:05< Shadow_Master> so, nobody would try for me whether single player replays work in trunk?
20090117 03:16:26< Shadow_Master> :|
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20090117 03:25:15< Shadow_Master> Soliton perhaps could check whether SP replays work in trunk or not?
20090117 03:38:39< Shadow_Master> right, they are more broken than ever.
20090117 03:42:32< Shadow_Master> wesbot: bug #12005
20090117 03:42:33< wesbot> Bug #12005  Assigned to: Jörg Hinrichs <jhinrichs>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20090117 03:42:36< wesbot> Summary: Campaign Replays do not work
20090117 03:42:39< wesbot> Original submission: I played Heir to The Throne on Release 1.4, and I wanted 
20090117 03:42:42< wesbot> to see a replay.  However, the replay loads with the wrong units, with the wrong
20090117 03:42:45< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?12005
20090117 03:42:47< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/bugs/download.php?file_id=4562
20090117 03:42:57< Shadow_Master> I guess the issue is different enough to warrant reopening the bug...
20090117 03:43:32< Shadow_Master> I hope MP replays aren't broken either.
20090117 03:47:01< Shadow_Master> either my Internet really sucks or MP games are broken.
20090117 03:47:34< Shadow_Master> um, it really sucks, but apparently MP games are also broken nonetheless.
20090117 03:47:41< Shadow_Master> if this is true, 1.5.8 cannot be tomorrow.
20090117 03:49:00< Shadow_Master> ah, phew. .I just selected the wrong team. They're ok.
20090117 03:50:06< Shadow_Master> wesbot: bug #12870
20090117 03:50:07< wesbot> Bug #12870  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 7 - High
20090117 03:50:07< wesbot> Summary: Single player replays do not work at all
20090117 03:50:07< wesbot> Original submission: New replays of the first scenario of any campaign, new re
20090117 03:50:10< wesbot> plays of any other scenarios, and old replays that used to work in Wesnoth 1.5.6
20090117 03:50:13< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?12870
20090117 03:50:17< Shadow_Master> wesbot: topic
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20090117 04:12:27< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32173 /trunk/ (changelog src/game_events.cpp): Make [remove_shroud] and [place_shroud] use real SLFs, not just (x,y) lists/ranges.
20090117 04:12:44< Shadow_Master_> zookeeper: happy now?
20090117 04:12:53< Shadow_Master_> ;)
20090117 04:18:39< Shadow_Master_> the image loader errors spit when seeing the 1.4 addons list are hilarious
20090117 04:19:05< Shadow_Master_> "error display: could not open image 'any image file in the game's ./images directory'" <- my favorite
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20090117 04:23:44< Shadow_Master> sapient: will check later.
20090117 04:23:44< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32174 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: 
20090117 04:23:44< CIA-53> Add a hint to Release Notes for lazy WML authors. I am not sure this
20090117 04:23:44< CIA-53> really serves any purpose at all, but adding it won't hurt anyone
20090117 04:23:44< CIA-53> either.
20090117 04:25:46< Shadow_Master> Sapient: right, that's the fix (I hope it doesn't have any side effects ;)
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20090117 05:45:52< Soliton> r32014 broke replays.
20090117 05:46:29< Soliton> which is pretty ironic. :-)
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20090117 05:57:26< Turuk> I need a double-post hammer, if you could code that into the game.  Something to bop people on the head with, restore a little sense.
20090117 05:57:43< Turuk> Maybe give it to a troll, and have him be my minion, or possibly an ogre.  Either works.
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20090117 07:43:59< CIA-53> esr * r32175 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/13_Epilogue.cfg: Address bug #12838.
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20090117 09:55:56< Ivanovic> moin
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20090117 10:28:52< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32176 /trunk/data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/scenarios/4_Valley_of_Trolls.cfg: Fixed WML typo.
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20090117 10:34:53< mordante> hi
20090117 10:34:58< Ivanovic> hi mordante
20090117 10:35:08< Ivanovic> mordante: what do you think of releasing 1.5.8 today?
20090117 10:35:09< mordante> Ivanovic I've a cold at the moment, but still try to get some work donw
20090117 10:35:17< mordante> done*
20090117 10:35:17< Ivanovic> oh, i hope you get well soon
20090117 10:35:24< mordante> me too
20090117 10:36:10< mordante> would be nice to get 1.5.8 today with some fixes to the portraits
20090117 10:36:15< Ivanovic> yes
20090117 10:36:22< mordante> but at least I know now to implement my changes :-)
20090117 10:36:28< Ivanovic> and i would really love to have some usable profile= tag
20090117 10:36:29< Ivanovic> ;)
20090117 10:36:41< boucman> Ivanovic: all fine here
20090117 10:36:56< Ivanovic> boucman: good
20090117 10:36:57< mordante> Ivanovic yes and I think I know which hacks to use
20090117 10:37:11 * Ivanovic gives mordante a hug
20090117 10:37:33< mordante> thanks, but don't blame me if you also get a cold ;-)
20090117 10:38:06< Ivanovic> pah
20090117 10:38:19 * Ivanovic is using linux exclusivly
20090117 10:38:27 * Ivanovic is not worried by your viruses
20090117 10:38:28< Ivanovic> ;)
20090117 10:38:45< mordante> :-)
20090117 10:41:55< mordante> btw did you get German translation updates from chrber and fendrin?
20090117 10:42:12< Ivanovic> vom chrber: there was something
20090117 10:42:16< Ivanovic> from fendrin: not lately
20090117 10:43:19< mordante> ok
20090117 10:44:03 * Ivanovic hopes that we will have the german translation complete in 1.5.8
20090117 10:44:26< Ivanovic> just 52 strings missing to 100% atm
20090117 10:44:42 * mordante hopes his fixes get in 1.5.8
20090117 10:44:50< grzywacz> Ivanovic, don't hope, get it done ;-)
20090117 10:45:12< Ivanovic> grzywacz: i already have done anl myself though i have never planned to do so
20090117 10:45:15 * grzywacz waits for 1.5.8 before committing his
20090117 10:45:24< Ivanovic> grzywacz: so i leave the rest to chrber and uz
20090117 10:45:31< grzywacz> Ivanovic, :)
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20090117 11:28:09< mordante> hi ilor 
20090117 11:28:19< ilor> hi mordante
20090117 11:29:23< grzywacz> hey ilor 
20090117 11:29:53< ilor> hi grzywacz
20090117 11:33:43< fabi_> hi
20090117 11:33:56< mordante> hi fabi_ 
20090117 11:34:05< mordante> ilor you were looking for me?
20090117 11:34:42< ilor> mordante: ah yes I had a problem that looked like a linker error in gui/
20090117 11:34:51< ilor> but it turned out to be my compiler acting up
20090117 11:35:31< mordante> ok
20090117 11:38:10< mordante> fabi_ any news on my LoW translation patch?
20090117 11:39:32< fabi_> mordante: sorry didn't work with it for a single second.
20090117 11:39:46< fabi_> but I will have a look at it at this moment.
20090117 11:39:53< mordante> :-)
20090117 11:49:56< CIA-53> mordante * r32177 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: Change some units so I can test some new code.
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20090117 12:00:48< fabi_> mordante: Your patch is against a po file but I can only find a mo file in trunk.
20090117 12:01:18< mordante> that can't be
20090117 12:01:26< mordante> po/wesnoth-low/
20090117 12:02:19< fabi_> sorry, no po dir at toplevel
20090117 12:02:53< mordante> do you use svn?
20090117 12:02:57< fabi_> yes
20090117 12:03:07< mordante> what does svn st give?
20090117 12:03:11< fabi_> ah, it's not in translation
20090117 12:03:19< fabi_> it's in wesnoth toplevel
20090117 12:03:21< fabi_> sorry
20090117 12:03:31< mordante> no problem
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20090117 12:03:52< fabi_> for what are there 2 locations. The question is what is the difference between po and mo
20090117 12:03:53< fabi_> ?
20090117 12:04:28< loonycyborg> mo's are compiled message catalogs for use in the game.
20090117 12:04:40< loonycyborg> while po files are user-editable.
20090117 12:04:50< fabi_> I see, thank you.
20090117 12:06:51< fabi_> mordante: Do I need an option to patch? The applying failed.
20090117 12:08:07< mordante> in the topdir you need to type the following command
20090117 12:08:30< mordante> patch -p1 < name_of_the_patch_file
20090117 12:08:55< fabi_> Fails as well.
20090117 12:09:29< mordante> what error does it give?
20090117 12:09:39< fabi_> Hunk #1 FAILED at 6.
20090117 12:09:59< mordante> only hunk 1 failed?
20090117 12:10:19< fabi_> every hunk from 1 to 31 
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20090117 12:19:50< mordante> fabi_ I send you a new patch
20090117 12:21:10< fabi_> mordante: thanks
20090117 12:21:25< mordante> no problem
20090117 12:25:31< cib0> hey mordante =)
20090117 12:25:55< mordante> hi cib0 
20090117 12:27:15< CIA-53> ivanovic * r32178 /trunk/po/ (5 files in 5 dirs): updated German translation (now at 100%!!!)
20090117 12:27:24< mordante> :-)
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20090117 12:31:26< cib0> mordante: can you explain to me why in multiplayer_connect(or was it create?) the starting_pos from MP campaigns is copied into the gamestate? start-of-scenario saves having gamestates is a bit weird
20090117 12:32:54< mordante> no can't remember, but the MP code is tricky
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20090117 12:36:43< CIA-53> fendrin * r32179 /trunk/po/wesnoth-low/de.po: LoW: Applied a patch from Mordante for the german translation.
20090117 12:37:15< cib0> i tried not having it do that for start-of-scenario saves with a resulting segfault =) ah well, i dont have much time right now to work on that
20090117 12:37:58< mordante> thanks fabi_ 
20090117 12:38:28< fabi_> mordante: I have to thank you :-)
20090117 12:38:38< mordante> :-)
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20090117 12:39:46< mordante> cib0 yes the code is really tricky and haven't looked at it for a long time
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20090117 12:42:33< CIA-53> fendrin * r32180 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/maps/ (01_The_Morning_After.map 08_Out_of_the_Frying_Pan.map): UtbS 01 08: Added some more new terrains to the maps.
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20090117 13:43:04< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32181 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/04_The_Siege_Of_Barag_Gor.cfg: Fixed bug #12826.
20090117 13:51:57< fabi_> zookeeper: the new heal_unit tag, what are the defaults for animate and amount? I believe if this attributes are missing the best default would be a full heal and no animation.
20090117 13:52:47< zookeeper> fabi_, actually i don't know, i haven't used that yet at all
20090117 14:01:12< grzywacz> ilor, looks like saving the --log-<level>=domain1,domain2,... syntax is not trivial with program_options
20090117 14:01:31< ilor> grzywacz: I expected as much
20090117 14:01:45< grzywacz> ilor, I'm tempted to change it to --log level=domain1,domain2,...
20090117 14:02:15< ilor> grzywacz: what about --log-debug=aaa --log-warning=bbb ?
20090117 14:02:43< grzywacz> ilor, that I have at this moment, but it results in separate options for debug, info, warning and error in command help
20090117 14:02:54< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32182 /trunk/data/campaigns/Son_Of_The_Black_Eye/scenarios/04_The_Siege_Of_Barag_Gor.cfg: Made r32181 actually work.
20090117 14:03:01< grzywacz> Maybe that's lesser evil.
20090117 14:04:03< ilor> grzywacz: I meant, how --log level=domain would handle such use ;)
20090117 14:05:11< grzywacz> ilor, no problems with custom converters. It's just that I don't want to have 4 different --log options in help
20090117 14:05:15< grzywacz> :D
20090117 14:06:32< ilor> how about keeping the old --log-level as hidden options (not shown in help_)
20090117 14:07:35< grzywacz> That's a possibility, but this option should be in help in general.
20090117 14:07:54< grzywacz> The same applies to --parm, --algorithm, --controller
20090117 14:07:57< grzywacz> gah
20090117 14:08:50< grzywacz> The trick is to have one options and possibly multiple values.
20090117 14:09:40< CIA-53> fendrin * r32183 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (3 files): 
20090117 14:09:40< CIA-53> LoW: Reverted Olurf's side to be non persistent again. This fixes
20090117 14:09:40< CIA-53> bug #12813 .
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20090117 14:15:07< grzywacz> s/ons/on/
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20090117 14:17:51< ilor> grzywacz: iirc you can have a std::vector value type 
20090117 14:18:52< grzywacz> Any type, actually.
20090117 14:19:19< grzywacz> But one still has to register every option *name*.
20090117 14:19:36< ilor> grzywacz: well. you can always do that in a loop ;)
20090117 14:19:50< grzywacz> Gah...
20090117 14:20:34< ilor> grzywacz: custom help maybe?
20090117 14:21:00< grzywacz> ilor, the only solution besides changing the syntax, yes
20090117 14:21:06< grzywacz> Not perfect either. :)
20090117 14:21:10< ilor> grzywacz: maybe add, say, --side1 normally with long help etc
20090117 14:21:26< ilor> and add --side2 to 9 so they work but help is not displayed
20090117 14:21:36< grzywacz> If I go with custom help, then it will just be --sideX
20090117 14:21:47< ilor> yeah but this doesn't need custom help
20090117 14:21:57< ilor> hiding an option from --help doesn't take muhc
20090117 14:22:07< grzywacz> no, it's easy
20090117 14:22:39< ilor> so why not just do it? I'd rather have the help auto-generated :)
20090117 14:22:55< grzywacz> But then, I'll have to handle all 1-9 cases for 4 commands we support wherever these are checked ;-)
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20090117 14:56:33< Shadow_Master> hello
20090117 14:56:39< loonycyborg> hi
20090117 14:56:48< fabi_> hi
20090117 15:02:21< grzywacz> hey
20090117 15:04:31< Shadow_Master> wesbot: log 32014
20090117 15:04:34< wesbot> jhinrichs * r32014 : Fixes bug #11890 (replays can't be played if there are empty starting positions).
20090117 15:04:37< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=32014
20090117 15:04:46< Shadow_Master> umm
20090117 15:11:11< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: has anyone PM'd frezycus about his add-ons before? (I just did=
20090117 15:11:54< Shadow_Master> me: "You seem to have added some non-free content to your add-ons in the past - I cannot check right now what they contain, but I warn you that non-free content is not allowed in the official add-ons server and may be removed ruthlessly."
20090117 15:12:06< Shadow_Master> them: Maybe you mean the Survivor theme song? You remove them if you want. But note me after you've removed them so that I can reupload a more 'legal' version.
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20090117 15:16:16< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, i'll comment a bit later.
20090117 15:16:37< Shadow_Master> k
20090117 15:20:00< CIA-53> ivanovic * r32184 /trunk/po/ (12 files in 12 dirs): updated Spanish translation
20090117 15:20:31< Shadow_Master> thanks, lord of Translations ;)
20090117 15:21:22< fabi_> ESR_: All that unterminated string errors must be a bug in wmllint.
20090117 15:21:55< Shadow_Master> fabi_: there are quite a lot of character messages in LoW that do not end with a period.
20090117 15:25:02< fabi_> Shadow_Master: That's what wmllint is complaining about? Can't see a low related complain here.
20090117 15:25:10< Shadow_Master> fabi_: no, it isn't complaining about that
20090117 15:25:25< Shadow_Master> It was something that I discovered while translating LoW. Felt that it was a good oportunity to point that out
20090117 15:25:57< fabi_> Shadow_Master: do you think I should correct that before the string freeze is released again?
20090117 15:26:13< Shadow_Master> ask ESR_ 
20090117 15:26:26< Shadow_Master> when he's back... I guess...
20090117 15:26:38< Shadow_Master> or Ivanovic 
20090117 15:32:19< Soliton> Ivanovic: if you release 1.5.8 today make sure that r32014 gets reverted before because it breaks replaying.
20090117 15:33:27< Ivanovic> Soliton: uhm, can you revert it directly and mail yogi about this (or is he aware of the breakage?)?
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20090117 15:45:59< Shadow_Master> I can do it if you are too busy, although I'm trying to understand what went wrong there
20090117 15:46:37< Shadow_Master> (and trying to understand what it did fix?)
20090117 15:49:45< Shadow_Master> wesbot: bug #11890
20090117 15:49:45< wesbot> Bug #11890  Assigned to: Jörg Hinrichs <jhinrichs>  Status: Fixed  Priority: 5 - Normal
20090117 15:49:48< wesbot> Summary: Replays can't be played further than first turn if there are empty starting positions
20090117 15:49:51< wesbot> Original submission: If a map is played, and some positions are set to empty, 
20090117 15:49:54< wesbot> the saved replay can't be played back further than the first turn. For example, 
20090117 15:49:57< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?11890
20090117 15:50:00< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/bugs/download.php?file_id=4470
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20090117 15:52:51< Shadow_Master> ugh, the attachment is for 1.4
20090117 15:54:41< Soliton> yeah, i didn't understand the commit either. it does stuff now *only* if the team is empty.. which doesn't make much sense.
20090117 15:55:12< Shadow_Master> I think I see what the problem is though; it is all related to the original if(...) return;
20090117 15:55:18< Soliton> if that worked with any replay it must have been a very special one.
20090117 15:58:02< Soliton> well, the player_number_ should be increased with an empty side as well.
20090117 15:59:36< Shadow_Master> it seems that the if(current_team().is_empty()) should be if(true)
20090117 15:59:41< Soliton> hmm, i think it should just be if the team is *not* empty in the commit.
20090117 16:00:00< Soliton> i'll try that.
20090117 16:00:25< Shadow_Master> if I just had a valid test case for the original bug this was supposed to fix...
20090117 16:00:57< Soliton> start a game with an empty side?
20090117 16:01:36< Shadow_Master> ah, yes
20090117 16:05:26< Soliton> ok, if one adds a little not there it works.
20090117 16:05:31< Shadow_Master> "the file you tried to load is corrupt".
20090117 16:05:43< Shadow_Master> I'll try with the !
20090117 16:06:50< Shadow_Master> true...
20090117 16:07:09< Soliton> replaying with empty side seems to work as well.
20090117 16:08:24< Turuk> What is the policy on members using two accounts just to talk back and forth with them?
20090117 16:08:26< Shadow_Master> yes, that was what I was trying. commiit?
20090117 16:08:49< Shadow_Master> Turuk: who is doing that? :)
20090117 16:08:51< Soliton> i will in a bit.
20090117 16:08:56< Turuk> Midnight_Carnival
20090117 16:09:08< Turuk> He tried to be too clever and his last post made me check his IPs
20090117 16:09:18< Turuk> Him and Grey_Area are the same person
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20090117 16:10:05< Shadow_Master> it would have seemed to be obvious: grey area: shadowy area. shadowy area: anything at midnight
20090117 16:11:36< Shadow_Master> "Guest" also posted from that IP.
20090117 16:11:46< Shadow_Master> It would seem to me that he had an account that has been removed.
20090117 16:12:05< Turuk> Indeed.  My question is how to handle it, especially seeing his intentions. http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=333009#p333009
20090117 16:13:44< Shadow_Master> that's... wow.
20090117 16:14:00 * Shadow_Master spills coffee elsewhere
20090117 16:14:14< CIA-53> soliton * r32185 /trunk/src/replay_controller.cpp: if a side is *not* empty do stuff... + reindentation
20090117 16:14:50< Shadow_Master> reindentation, good.
20090117 16:15:30< Soliton> actually it was just space to tab conversion, i think.
20090117 16:15:54< Soliton> did you reopen some bug about replays?
20090117 16:16:01< Shadow_Master> yes, I'll close it shortly
20090117 16:16:30< Soliton> ok, i closed the new report.
20090117 16:16:47< Shadow_Master> ah, okay
20090117 16:18:09< Soliton> Ivanovic: nevermind, fixed it.
20090117 16:18:51< Ivanovic> okay
20090117 16:21:04< Shadow_Master> wesbot: topic
20090117 16:21:13< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32186 /trunk/changelog: Attach a bug report to changelog entry in r32173.
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20090117 16:35:43< zookeeper> shadow_master, what add-ons? if it's just the survivor scenario, then the infringing parts are quite clearly parody IMO. i've deliberately never given him any trouble for it because of that.
20090117 16:38:58< Turuk> Power Rangers is quite the same way
20090117 16:39:13< zookeeper> it sounds like it, i've never tried it myself
20090117 16:41:13< Turuk> I did when someone pointed it out a month ago after I called that person on copyright infringement  :\ 
20090117 16:41:31< Turuk> It's really very poorly done and if it did not have the title to give you an idea of what it was about.... you would have no clue
20090117 16:41:44< zookeeper> i have nothing against deleting add-ons which actually infringe on something while trying to be serious. but if someone makes a silly scenario with jeff probst or power rangers? meh.
20090117 16:43:11< zookeeper> that'd be as silly as youtube deleting videos of kids playing LotR in the backyard on request
20090117 16:44:48< ilor> zookeeper: careful what you wish for...
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20090117 16:48:23< zookeeper> huh? why is the elvish lord portrait right-side only?
20090117 16:48:52 * zookeeper doesn't see anything right-side specific in the portrait
20090117 16:52:27< grzywacz> game.cpp compiles 40 seconds on my 1.8GHz Sempron ;S
20090117 16:53:11< loonycyborg> That's with program_options? :)
20090117 16:53:59< grzywacz> I'm currently suffering with program_options, yes. Let me compare with 1.4
20090117 16:55:11< grzywacz> Ok, 1.4 is  faster, but maybe it's not a good version to compare with.
20090117 16:56:21< loonycyborg> Is that Sempron multicore?
20090117 16:56:58< grzywacz> No, only 1 core. Would matter with compilation of 1 file, though.
20090117 16:57:06< grzywacz> *wouldn't
20090117 16:57:57< loonycyborg> Yes. But wesnoth is not one file ;)
20090117 16:58:19< grzywacz> I was talking about that one file only. :)
20090117 16:59:29< zookeeper> why does the changelog have both "user interface" and "multiplayer ui" sections?
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20090117 17:01:20< loonycyborg> With my 2.53GHz Celeron game.cpp takes 27 s
20090117 17:01:40< grzywacz> You probably have more cache as well.
20090117 17:01:51< grzywacz> 128k here
20090117 17:02:05< loonycyborg> 256 KB
20090117 17:02:06< Shadow_Master> 27 seconds?
20090117 17:02:07< grzywacz> And, um, DDR1 memory I believe. :P
20090117 17:02:12< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, replied in the log
20090117 17:02:18< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: yes.
20090117 17:02:31< grzywacz> loonycyborg, in this case, your time is quite long too
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20090117 17:03:08< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, to compile
20090117 17:03:10< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: um... it usually took a few seconds (less than 15) in my old laptop -O9
20090117 17:03:16< Shadow_Master> -O0 , I mean!
20090117 17:03:29< Shadow_Master> so yeah, at what optimization level are you comparing?
20090117 17:03:30< grzywacz> I use -O2
20090117 17:03:37 * loonycyborg too
20090117 17:04:05< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: well, I guess it can go under fair use. But I left him the note just in case.
20090117 17:04:27< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: at -O3 it tends to take about the same in my new laptop
20090117 17:04:38< Shadow_Master> (e.g. 15-20
20090117 17:05:05< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: and about the portrait: ask mordante  ;)
20090117 17:05:38< Shadow_Master> he left a comment to the effect of "# Single sided portraits are not properly supported yet so use an invalid image to override the inherited version." in the WML
20090117 17:05:48< zookeeper> yeah, i've read that
20090117 17:06:02< zookeeper> but that effectively nullifies the generic lord portrait
20090117 17:06:10< Shadow_Master> I think it's because the guy does not really lean (right word?) to one side or another.
20090117 17:07:00< zookeeper> well, in that case i'd imagine mirroring him on the other side of the screen wouldn't really matter.
20090117 17:07:52< Shadow_Master> true. It'd be better than a message with no portrait á la narrator, or a message with the peasants-at-work sign in debug mode
20090117 17:08:18< Shadow_Master> (note for anyone: that sign was alink's idea)
20090117 17:08:25< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: It takes 11s without -O2 for me.
20090117 17:09:05 * Shadow_Master goes shopping, good luck with 1.5.8...
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20090117 17:14:21 * loonycyborg rewrites gcc in python in order to make game.cpp compilation take days :P
20090117 17:30:47< zookeeper> (i'll have some dinner, then i'll update the changelogs and then releasing is fine by me...although i think everyone else won't be ready by then anyway)
20090117 17:39:30< CIA-53> ivanovic * r32187 /trunk/po/wesnoth-low/ru.po: updated Russian translation
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20090117 17:55:24< CIA-53> mordante * r32188 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: (log message trimmed)
20090117 17:55:24< CIA-53> First step in the unit profile hacks.
20090117 17:55:24< CIA-53> The time until 1.6 is too short to write and convert all mainline stuff
20090117 17:55:24< CIA-53> to use the new portrait so wrote a hack. Now the engine looks at the
20090117 17:55:24< CIA-53> profile key again and tries to find the same image in the transparent
20090117 17:55:27< CIA-53> subdirectory, if found that image is used instead. The following issues
20090117 17:55:29< CIA-53> still need to be resolved:
20090117 17:55:38< CIA-53> mordante * r32189 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/message.cfg: Add support for 205x205 images in the new dialogs.
20090117 17:55:51< mordante> fabi_ could you test the commits above?
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20090117 18:05:21< Baufo> hey all :)
20090117 18:05:27< mordante> hi Baufo 
20090117 18:05:41< Baufo> hello mordante 
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20090117 18:10:06< Sapient> yo
20090117 18:10:12< mordante> hi Sapient 
20090117 18:10:27< Baufo> hello Sapient
20090117 18:10:28< Sapient> don't tag yet, Ivanovic
20090117 18:10:34< Sapient> got one last minute change
20090117 18:10:35< Ivanovic> ok
20090117 18:10:37< Sapient> hello mordante
20090117 18:10:39< Sapient> yo Baufo
20090117 18:11:12 * zookeeper is updating the changelog
20090117 18:11:29 * Baufo too, please give me a few minutes
20090117 18:11:54< zookeeper> mordante, there's no need to look in the transparent subdirs
20090117 18:12:11< zookeeper> you can just assume that every portrait is a transparent one
20090117 18:12:28< mordante> yes but the one in the transparent dir are larger
20090117 18:13:03< zookeeper> well, yeah, i suppose it's needed to prevent the backgrounded ones from being used when both versions exist..
20090117 18:13:23< mordante> yes and the help still needs the smaller version
20090117 18:14:18< Sapient> ok, I'm done
20090117 18:15:07< CIA-53> sapient * r32190 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: add missing return statement from r32077
20090117 18:15:19< zookeeper> mordante, so do the portraits and dialogs now work as they should?
20090117 18:15:37< zookeeper> (disregarding message options and text input and such maybe)
20090117 18:15:43< mordante> except for the right side image
20090117 18:15:53< mordante> and it would be nice if somebody tests it
20090117 18:16:14< zookeeper> i'm gonna enable the elvish lord's left side portrait
20090117 18:16:22< Sapient> I am about to test if the silver mage can still do math ;)
20090117 18:18:54< Sapient> well, "about to" as in updating svn and building for the next hour :[
20090117 18:19:24< mordante> depends on whether or not the mage could do math in the first place ;-)
20090117 18:25:54< zookeeper> mordante, do i need to touch the elvish lord .cfg to enable the portrait to appear (on the left side)?
20090117 18:28:10< mordante> no it should work out of the box
20090117 18:29:18< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32191 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Updated changelogs.
20090117 18:29:24< zookeeper> ok, cool
20090117 18:29:25< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32192 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/08b_The_Tides_of_War.cfg: Less gold and income for M'Brin.
20090117 18:29:57< mordante> you only need to add a tag ~RIGHT to the right side only portraits
20090117 18:30:04< Turuk> Would it be fair to warn people who ask about using 1.4 that they should start learning the WML for the developmental branch based on the upcoming (relatively) release of 1.6?
20090117 18:30:23< zookeeper> yes
20090117 18:30:43< zookeeper> mordante, huh? sorry, i don't understand what you mean
20090117 18:31:04< mordante> will explain later after committing, think it's clear then
20090117 18:31:10< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32193 /trunk/data/campaigns/An_Orcish_Incursion/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Removed ERemoved the custom Erlornas portrait. Now he uses the core Elvish Lord and High Lord portraits.
20090117 18:31:21< zookeeper> eh, managed to screw up that commit message.
20090117 18:31:37< Sapient> Turuk: all the critical stuff that won't work anymore has been posted as a sticky in the WML Workshop
20090117 18:32:24< Turuk> Roger, thanks zookeeper and Sapient.  I have just noticed people asking questions about whether they should worry about developmental WML tags and I want to warn them not quite yet, but learning now would be a good idea ;)
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20090117 18:33:33< Sapient> Turuk: if they want to know the cool new stuff they can do, they should read the WML sections of the full changelog
20090117 18:33:50< Turuk> Hmm ok, I will direct them there.
20090117 18:33:56 * zookeeper would have preferred to have transparent HttT portraits for the release instead of backgrounded ones -.-
20090117 18:35:10< zookeeper> i'm not gonna commit the transparent UtBS ones either since there's a couple still missing...or should i?
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20090117 18:38:14< zookeeper> loonycyborg, you wouldn't happen to be making a build right now :P?
20090117 18:43:31< Sapient> zookeeper: do you use a pentium4?
20090117 18:43:35< loonycyborg> zookeeper: updated :P
20090117 18:43:44< Sapient> oh, nevermind
20090117 18:46:04< zookeeper> thanks!
20090117 18:46:22< Sapient> I have the pentium4 option turned on in my .cbp project file, and I am using a dw2 compiler so that would probably be incompatible with loony's dll/libs anyway
20090117 18:46:44< loonycyborg> Sapient: dw2 doesn't matter for C libs.
20090117 18:47:01< loonycyborg> And boost is linked in statically.
20090117 18:47:05< Sapient> ok
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20090117 18:54:28< mordante> zookeeper Ivanovic I just did the final commits
20090117 18:55:02< mordante> it would be great if somebody can test the chances, I didn't test too much and don't feel like testing
20090117 18:55:11< Ivanovic> okay
20090117 18:55:37< mordante> I'll update the wiki after eating
20090117 18:55:39 * zookeeper is testing atm
20090117 18:55:43< mordante> :-)
20090117 18:59:13< Sapient> um... why do I still see the old swordswan in the Help?
20090117 18:59:50 * zookeeper notices a peasants-at-work sign in the dialogues when the BoP mermen speak
20090117 18:59:53< Sapient> shouldn't the new Loyalist portraits be used in the Help?
20090117 19:00:12< zookeeper> yes
20090117 19:00:22< zookeeper> just update the profile= and it probably will
20090117 19:00:33< Sapient> can you do that?
20090117 19:00:36< Turuk> Spearman is the same as well ;)
20090117 19:00:54< fabi_> mordante: hmmm, do I need to change the wml?
20090117 19:01:35< zookeeper> done
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20090117 19:04:30< zookeeper> whenever a portraitless unit type or a unit type with a profile= but no [portrait]s speaks, you only get the peasants-at-work.
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20090117 19:06:46< Sapient> thanks, zookeeper
20090117 19:07:05< mordante> fabi_ the filename of both portraits need to be identical
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20090117 19:08:39< zookeeper> mordante, do your last three commits change anything about what i described above? (my rev is 32195)
20090117 19:09:19< fabi_> mordante: both portraits? I only have one portrait per charakter.
20090117 19:09:36< mordante> zookeeper no
20090117 19:09:41< zookeeper> i don't get this. konrad's and delfador's portraits work fine, but haldric's and eldaric's don't.
20090117 19:10:00< zookeeper> yet they're identically defined.
20090117 19:10:02< mordante> the [portrait] section is no longer used
20090117 19:10:38< mordante> fabi_ you should have a 205 x 205 and optionally a large one 
20090117 19:10:46< fabi_> same here with olurf, he doesn't get portrait but the peasants at work. Every else works fine.
20090117 19:11:54< fabi_> mordante: kitty only made big transparent ones for me
20090117 19:12:46< mordante> that won't work properly at the moment
20090117 19:13:06< mordante> or maybe just point to the large image
20090117 19:13:11< crimson_penguin> what needed testing?
20090117 19:13:19< Sapient> I've got an orcish slurbow with an invisible sprite somehow
20090117 19:14:15 * crimson_penguin wouldn't expect Celery processors to be very effective at compiling
20090117 19:14:17< crimson_penguin> are you guys talking about L1 or L2 cache?
20090117 19:14:17< fabi_> mordante: Okay, nearly all charakters work, except Olurf. But he does have a transparent big image like the others who work well.
20090117 19:14:48< mordante> no idea what's wrong
20090117 19:15:45< fabi_> mordante: this is not new to me. before the last commit of yours olurf had his transparent image displayed in the old dialogue and the others with new transperent ones had the default image for their unit type.
20090117 19:16:05< fabi_> So this bug is in fact an old one.
20090117 19:16:23< zookeeper> deoran's portrait works, gerrick's doesn't.
20090117 19:16:29< zookeeper> seems kinda random
20090117 19:16:36< Sapient> in the attack dialog I can't see unit HPs
20090117 19:16:56< zookeeper> also moreth's (pikeman) portrait worked, but the BoP mermen's portraits didn't
20090117 19:17:02< Sapient> using 800x600 resolution
20090117 19:17:25< Sapient> mordante: is the attack dialog using the new widget code?
20090117 19:18:05< Sapient> I can't even see HP when I change resolution to 1024x768 either
20090117 19:18:24 * crimson_penguin is available for testing anything with current svn
20090117 19:19:13< zookeeper> i think you should rather be available for bugfixing ;)
20090117 19:20:31< Sapient> crimson_penguin: can you confirm the attack dialog issues?
20090117 19:20:56< crimson_penguin> how?
20090117 19:21:11< Sapient> I dunno... attack something?
20090117 19:21:55< fabi_> Sapient: I can't confirm it. The hp value is visible.
20090117 19:22:24< Sapient> fabi_: what resolutions did you try?
20090117 19:22:25< crimson_penguin> well, what's the issue then?
20090117 19:22:27< zookeeper> anyways, looks like portraits in dialogs are now broken more often than not, so i wouldn't say it's a good idea to release...
20090117 19:22:53< Sapient> <Sapient> in the attack dialog I can't see unit HPs
20090117 19:22:58< Sapient> ^^ crim
20090117 19:23:47< fabi_> Sapient: I tried fullscreen, that's 1680x1050 and window mode, that should be 800x1000.
20090117 19:24:15< Ivanovic> Baufo, boucman, crimson_penguin, ESR_, fabi_, grzywacz, ilor, mordante, Noyga, Sapient, Sirp, Soliton, thespaceinvader, zookeeper, everybody else: everything ready for 1.5.8?
20090117 19:24:19< zookeeper> no
20090117 19:24:29< zookeeper> as i said, portraits in dialogs are broken
20090117 19:24:30< crimson_penguin> ok
20090117 19:24:50< Ivanovic> argh, okay, that is bad
20090117 19:25:02< Ivanovic> zookeeper: which revision, just due to the last change(s) by mordante?
20090117 19:25:17< Sapient> I am unable to see unit HP's in attack dialogs, even at 1024x768 fullscreen
20090117 19:25:40< crimson_penguin> Sapient: I can see HPs
20090117 19:26:47< zookeeper> Ivanovic, eh, i think it's a mix of engine features not implemented and engine features implemented but data not changed accordingly :p
20090117 19:27:01< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I didn't get around to trying to include MP server, but otherwise I'm ready
20090117 19:27:21< Ivanovic> *WOW*
20090117 19:27:24< Ivanovic> this was a crash...
20090117 19:27:26< zookeeper> (and no, all that data can't be changed accordingly, that'd mean duplicating or moving around most of the portraits in the game and changing references and whatnot)
20090117 19:27:27< fabi_> Sapient: I can see them even at 800x600 fullscreeen.
20090117 19:27:36 * Ivanovic just started two brothers, skipped the starting dialog and now this:
20090117 19:27:38< Ivanovic> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::out_of_range'
20090117 19:27:39< Ivanovic>   what():  basic_string::insert
20090117 19:28:03< Sapient> doh
20090117 19:28:52< Ivanovic> jepp, i always get it right after the story screen in two brothers
20090117 19:29:06< Ivanovic> could someone try to reproduce?
20090117 19:29:15< Ivanovic> this is using latest trunk
20090117 19:29:15< zookeeper> i'm guessing no release tonight after all, hmm :)?
20090117 19:29:20< fabi_> Ivanovic: yes, I can reproduce that crash.
20090117 19:29:23< Ivanovic> looks like...
20090117 19:29:39< Ivanovic> fabi_: okay, then we can just blame mordante and tell him a lovely little "man, fix it!!!"
20090117 19:29:40< Ivanovic> ;)
20090117 19:30:14 * fabi_ wonders why the two brother campaign is so good in triggering bugs ...
20090117 19:30:40< fabi_> What is special with that first scenario of it?
20090117 19:30:42< Ivanovic> fabi_: hey, this was the secret purpose of adding this small and rather simple campaign
20090117 19:30:58< zookeeper> cool, i can safely go afk and do something else now :)
20090117 19:31:10< Ivanovic> right after 1.0 i thought "hey, we need something to easily trigger bugs, hah, here it is..."
20090117 19:31:12< Ivanovic> ;)
20090117 19:31:28< Ivanovic> zookeeper: which dialogs are borked?
20090117 19:31:49< Ivanovic> i just started httt and it looks rather okay (beside the black background looking really dumb)
20090117 19:31:59< zookeeper> well, try it again
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20090117 19:32:12< zookeeper> for me they worked the first time, but later on the peasants appeared
20090117 19:32:33< Ivanovic> okay, i will
20090117 19:32:43< Ivanovic> but yes, the ork portraits look too tiny...
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20090117 19:32:51< zookeeper> basically all portraits except kitty's elves and most of lordbob's loyalists don't seem to work
20090117 19:33:37< fabi_> I need to logout the last crash made my x window system unusable.
20090117 19:33:38< zookeeper> but as i said, it seems to be somewhat random, which is weird. the first time konrad and delfador worked fine, but the BoP mermen didn't. then all of them stopped working when i tried again. then in TSG two worked and one didn't, etc etc.
20090117 19:33:56< Ivanovic> Sapient: i do see the hp bar in the attack dialogs
20090117 19:34:04< Ivanovic> s/bar/numbers
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20090117 19:34:36< zookeeper> maybe mordante's latest commits prevent _some_ of that breakage from happening, but not all
20090117 19:34:41< zookeeper> well, afk now, have fun ->
20090117 19:35:01< Sapient> I think it may be font related
20090117 19:35:47< Ivanovic> okay, in tsg i now had no portrait appear correctly
20090117 19:35:57< Ivanovic> terminal output is only this:
20090117 19:35:59< Ivanovic> 20090117 19:34:53 error display: could not open image 'portraits/Jason_Lutes/transparent/human-pikeman.png'
20090117 19:36:00< Ivanovic> 20090117 19:35:06 error display: could not open image 'portraits/transparent/deoran.png'
20090117 19:36:02< Ivanovic> 20090117 19:35:13 error display: could not open image 'portraits/transparent/urza-mathin.png'
20090117 19:36:09< Ivanovic> instead of the portraits the "peasant at work" image is shown
20090117 19:39:32< Sapient> https://gna.org/file/r32190cant_see_hp.bmp?file_id=5193
20090117 19:39:49< Sapient> ^^ that is what I see for attack dialogs
20090117 19:41:21 * crimson_penguin gets the TB crash too
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20090117 19:46:10< mordante> Sapient no the attack dialog uses the old code
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20090117 19:49:07< thespaceinvader> ivanovic: sorry, i was cooking.  But everything's ready afaik
20090117 19:49:59< Soliton> Ivanovic: hmm, actually the server is a bit broken atm. probably should revert some recent commits for the release...
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20090117 19:53:44< Soliton> btw, somebody know a simple way to recover overwritten files that are still in memory of some process? :-P
20090117 19:55:28< Sapient> mordante: so what do you recommend we do?
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20090117 19:56:33< Sapient> I could make the dialog taller but that might look bad for other people
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20090117 19:57:47< mordante> I did change a thing for the attack dialog so I prefer to see which commit caused it
20090117 19:57:58< mordante> didn't*
20090117 19:58:10< Sapient> regression testing is out of the question for me
20090117 19:58:21< mordante> for me as well
20090117 19:58:24< Sapient> I simply don't have the time
20090117 19:59:43< CIA-53> baufo * r32194 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): updating the changelogs.
20090117 19:59:58< Sapient> mordante: didn't you change the routines that calculate font heights?
20090117 20:00:15< mordante> Ivanovic I fixed TB and I think I fixed the other problem as well
20090117 20:00:18< Sapient> it seems to be a text height calculation error
20090117 20:00:39< mordante> I didn't change the old dialogs
20090117 20:00:51< mordante> besides I'm about to sleep for a few hours
20090117 20:01:11< Sapient> ok, I am just going to leave it alone then
20090117 20:01:27< Sapient> since no one else has the problem
20090117 20:01:35< mordante> if I feel better tomorrow I'll look, but don't have too much hope
20090117 20:03:59< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32195 /trunk/data/campaigns/Eastern_Invasion/scenarios/12.Captured.cfg: Added javelineer as a possible sidekick.
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20090117 20:05:21< loonycyborg> Interesting.. I'm getting an unhandled std::out_of_range exception when starting a tale of two brothers with latest trunk..
20090117 20:05:38< mordante> I fixed it locally
20090117 20:07:39< mordante> just committed it, I'm off again
20090117 20:07:50< CIA-53> mordante * r32196 /trunk/data/core/units/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20090117 20:07:50< CIA-53> Add a special tag for the right side.
20090117 20:07:50< CIA-53> The engine doesn't support it yet, but will soon. Kitty mentioned that
20090117 20:07:51< CIA-53> the iron mauler is right side only as well so removed left side image.
20090117 20:08:42< CIA-53> mordante * r32198 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog src/game_events.cpp): Enable the right hand side imags.
20090117 20:08:42< CIA-53> mordante * r32197 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/message.cfg: Fix the right side wml dialog.
20090117 20:08:42< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32199 /trunk/data/core/units/humans/ (Loyalist_Spearman.cfg Loyalist_Swordsman.cfg): Updated profile='s.
20090117 20:11:32< CIA-53> fendrin * r32200 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Added the changes in LoW.
20090117 20:11:33< CIA-53> mordante * r32201 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Fix a crash when a profile path has no /.
20090117 20:54:16< ESR_> fabi: Much more likely the unterminated-string complainyts are a bug in wmliterator.py.
20090117 20:55:10< ESR_> Ivanovic: I franky don't think we're in good shape top release *anything*, given the size of the bug list and the blocker sitting on top of it.
20090117 20:56:41< loonycyborg> ESR_: You clearly underestimate Ivanovic's ability to release without regard for bugs :)
20090117 20:57:01< fabi> ESR_: can you add a feature to wmllint that discover dialogue strings that are not terminated?
20090117 20:58:00< ESR_> fabi: Probably, but whatever bug iin wmliterator.py is causing this needs to be fixed before I can consider that.
20090117 20:58:27< fabi> ESR_: sure, was just an idea I didn't want to forget.
20090117 21:00:50< Soliton> both blocker bugs are surely not blocker bugs for 1.5.8.
20090117 21:26:48< zookeeper> err, in the MP menu there's a white vertical line in the beginning of the password field which looks exactly like a caret, so it can look like the focus is already there.
20090117 21:27:08< zookeeper> i immediately proceeded to type my password in the username field
20090117 21:28:00< zookeeper> in fact, there seems to be absolutely no visual indication whether the password field has the focus or not (unless i type something there, obviously)
20090117 21:28:00< grzywacz> gah, breakage in program_options...
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20090117 21:32:05< zookeeper> oh no no NOO
20090117 21:32:16 * zookeeper sees the latest 1.4 add-on
20090117 21:32:24< ESR_> ?
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20090117 21:32:32 * zookeeper bashes head against wall
20090117 21:32:38< ESR_> ??
20090117 21:33:12< grzywacz> ?
20090117 21:33:17< zookeeper> ESR_, i presume you've never really paid attention to a certain forum lunatic's (who's luckily been away for quite a while now) ramblings
20090117 21:33:29< grzywacz> danny? ;>
20090117 21:33:35< ESR_> I barely pay atention to the forums at all.
20090117 21:33:50< Turuk> Between the Worlds?
20090117 21:33:54< zookeeper> i've actually forgotten his nick.
20090117 21:34:02< zookeeper> yeah
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20090117 21:35:07< Turuk> His version of HttT from other viewpoints.... hmmm
20090117 21:35:45< grzywacz> What about it?
20090117 21:36:12< Turuk> Wow, he just copied huge parts of HttT
20090117 21:37:00< zookeeper> grzywacz, he's the most annoying person i've ever seen on the forums
20090117 21:37:15< zookeeper> danny comes second
20090117 21:37:38< grzywacz> Owww.
20090117 21:37:47< grzywacz> But the idea isn't all that bad in itself. ;)
20090117 21:37:56< zookeeper> i presume he has some kind of a, uh, mental problem or something, but it doesn't make him any less annoying.
20090117 21:38:25< Turuk> Not until you read the scenario code for the story ;)
20090117 21:38:46< Turuk> The other points of view are told by a Tour Guide leading a group of Tourists through these battle zones
20090117 21:38:58< grzywacz> lol
20090117 21:40:05< loonycyborg> grzywacz: I'm curious what breakage you have with program_options :)
20090117 21:40:53< CIA-53> zookeeper * r32202 /trunk/data/core/units/humans/Peasant.cfg: Fixed peasant's profile=.
20090117 21:42:07< grzywacz> loonycyborg, zero_tokens() doesn't seem to work at all
20090117 21:42:28< grzywacz> loonycyborg, http://www.nabble.com/-program_options--incorrect-documentation-tt11727878.html#a11727878
20090117 21:42:34< grzywacz> loonycyborg, pretty much what I've seen
20090117 21:44:33< ilor> grzywacz: I remember using zero_tokens and remeber it working
20090117 21:45:35< ilor> at least, working in a sort-of way with a bool-type var and a default value
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20090117 21:46:50< grzywacz> ilor, http://rafb.net/p/peITSq78.html
20090117 21:48:10< ilor> grzywacz: :/
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20090117 21:52:32< Ivanovic> grzywacz: uhm, why is 12748 marked as blocker?
20090117 21:52:35< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/?12748
20090117 21:52:54< Ivanovic> beside this, where are the blockers that ESR_ is talking about?
20090117 21:53:11< grzywacz> Ivanovic, no clue
20090117 21:53:40< grzywacz> Ivanovic, mordante set it to blocker, but for 1.6 blocker.
20090117 21:53:48< grzywacz> argh
20090117 21:53:51< Ivanovic> changed it to minor
20090117 21:54:00< Ivanovic> since the list should be "for the very next release"
20090117 21:54:02< fabi> zookeeper: that between the worlds is just great. I have fun.
20090117 21:54:15< Ivanovic> the "blocker for 1.6" should be listed on the "stuff for 1.6" wiki page
20090117 21:54:38< zookeeper> fabi, please, i don't want to know
20090117 21:55:42< Ivanovic> ESR_: and yes, we got rather many bugs atm, but *many* were already fixed since the last release
20090117 21:56:06< Ivanovic> that is especially some strange stuff regarding the new gui like the first dialog after one with the new portraits not being shown and stuff like this
20090117 21:56:24< loonycyborg> grzywacz: With that test program in your link I get an error with "./a.out --email blah$blah --help" but not with "./a.out --email blah$blah"
20090117 21:56:27< fabi> Ivanovic: Release early and often!
20090117 21:56:29< Ivanovic> unless the game is unstable or any other bigger regressions were intorduced i think we are in a better shape than we were with 1.5.7
20090117 21:56:44< Ivanovic> in a by far better state to be precise
20090117 21:57:03< grzywacz> loonycyborg, that's a different use case - multitoken
20090117 21:57:21< grzywacz> loonycyborg, http://rafb.net/p/TwcZ1725.html
20090117 21:57:29< grzywacz> loonycyborg, the simplest I could make ;)
20090117 21:57:53< grzywacz> You know what's the best?
20090117 21:58:01< grzywacz> karol@omoikane po% ./a.out --server=lol
20090117 21:58:02< grzywacz> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'boost::program_options::invalid_command_line_syntax'
20090117 21:58:02< grzywacz>   what():  extra parameter in 'server'
20090117 21:58:04< grzywacz> what the hell?
20090117 21:59:00< Ivanovic> the only problem i see atm is that portraits often do not work
20090117 21:59:12< Ivanovic> eg: start two brothers, watch some dialog and exit
20090117 21:59:27< Ivanovic> then start tsg and watch the images not being found
20090117 21:59:34< Ivanovic> this is a serious problem mordante should have a look at
20090117 21:59:54< Ivanovic> once this is fixed, i vote for releasing unless you tell me about any other important blockers
20090117 22:03:17 * zookeeper considers the portraits to be the only blocker for 1.5.8
20090117 22:03:24< loonycyborg> grzywacz: I'm getting the same breakage even when using boost 1.37 :)
20090117 22:03:37< grzywacz> loonycyborg, that doesn't really make me happy ;)
20090117 22:04:05< loonycyborg> me either :)
20090117 22:04:16< grzywacz> I'm @ 1.34.1
20090117 22:04:46 * loonycyborg hopes to make the problem go away using excessive smileys :) :) :)
20090117 22:08:11< grzywacz> loonycyborg, https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/1132 .........
20090117 22:08:20< grzywacz> Smileys won't help. Look at the date. ;-)
20090117 22:09:09< loonycyborg> grzywacz: https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/469 <- I've found this instead :)
20090117 22:09:46< grzywacz> loonycyborg, so it's broken along with zero_tokens, sweet ;)
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20090117 22:24:29< Shadow_Master_> has Ivanovic tagged 1.5.8 already?
20090117 22:24:36< grzywacz> Just looking at the code, in internally user 0 for max_tokens when zero_tokens is used. Instead it should probably be 1.
20090117 22:24:37< Ivanovic> no, he has not
20090117 22:25:32< Shadow_Master_> Ivanovic: would you accept a last-minute translation update? ^_^
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20090117 22:26:55< grzywacz> loonycyborg, fyi, http://rafb.net/p/NTdkfV27.html
20090117 22:27:46< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master_: it is not this "last minuite" since we are waiting for mordante to fix the portrait stuff and we got no idea how long he will need
20090117 22:29:04< CIA-6> fendrin * r32205 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/scenarios/13_Epilogue.cfg: UtbS 13: Added sad.ogg if a protagonist died in the endbattle.
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20090117 22:32:14< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: okay, if it is ready for tomorrow will you release 1.5.8 in the evening (GMT+01) or earlier?
20090117 22:32:56< Ivanovic> most likely earlier
20090117 22:33:04< Ivanovic> if it is ready then
20090117 22:33:35< grzywacz> a-ha
20090117 22:33:54< Shadow_Master> okay, I guess I can try to get the manual ready for tomorrow then.
20090117 22:35:40< CIA-6> zookeeper * r32206 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed off-by-one indexing bugs.
20090117 22:35:58< grzywacz> loonycyborg, can you test with ->implicit_value("") after zero_tokens()?
20090117 22:38:34< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: has anyone solved the UMC translations not working on trunk?
20090117 22:38:41< Shadow_Master> if not, file a bug report and assign it to me.
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20090117 22:48:24< Shadow_Master> berlios' web svn interface is really slow.
20090117 22:48:28< loonycyborg> grzywacz: That fixes it for me.
20090117 22:49:13< grzywacz> loonycyborg, thought so. Too bad it's been introduced in 1.37 and should be handled by default_value() to begin with ;)
20090117 22:49:39< grzywacz> implicit_value, default_value, argh
20090117 22:50:09< ilor> grzywacz: maybe they'll add ->please_work() in 1.38
20090117 22:50:25< grzywacz> ilor, my thoughts exactly
20090117 22:51:18< loonycyborg> grzywacz: weird. It works for me with 1.35.0 too
20090117 22:52:00< grzywacz> loonycyborg, oops, maybe they added it in 1.35. Didn't look at the version of the patch carefully enough...
20090117 22:52:08< grzywacz> loonycyborg, https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/ticket/1123
20090117 22:52:37< ilor> I always forget which boost version we're supposed to use and why such an old one
20090117 22:52:56< grzywacz> SConstruct shows 1.33
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20090117 22:53:09< grzywacz> And the reason would probably be that it's what most of distros provide nowdays.
20090117 22:53:41< loonycyborg> Most distros provided 1.33 year ago :)
20090117 22:54:18< grzywacz> The latest I get from a ~amd64 gentoo is 1.34.
20090117 22:54:39< ilor> bleeding edge, that gentoo is
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20090117 22:55:20< grzywacz> ilor, that's considered stable ;)
20090117 22:55:21< loonycyborg> I have 1.37 ebuild in /usr/portage/dev-libs/boost
20090117 22:55:36< grzywacz> loonycyborg, yes, but it doesn't get 1.37 by default
20090117 22:55:58< grzywacz> And maybe that's good. I'd commit code working with 1.35 and above and there would be a lot on noise. ;)
20090117 22:56:16< loonycyborg> All boost libs >= 1.35 are ~x86
20090117 22:56:58< ilor> I was never convinced by the distros-package-old-boost argument. Probably because I had to build boost on windows manually anyway, and hunt for other deps, so I figure we can reasonably expect developers to download a current version of a library
20090117 22:57:24< ABCD> loonycyborg: but >=dev-libs/boost-1.35.0-r3 is "Masked for testing" in ${PORTDIR}/profiles/package.mask - but no reason other than that is given...
20090117 22:58:26< loonycyborg> ABCD: Only for amd64 arch?
20090117 22:58:29< Soliton> ilor: not only developers compile wesnoth.
20090117 22:58:34< ABCD> loonycyborg: for all arches
20090117 22:58:47< ABCD> it's hardmasked
20090117 22:58:49< loonycyborg> I have 1.35 from portage and I don't remember unmasking it.
20090117 22:59:33< ABCD> loonycyborg: you probably have 1.35.0-r2
20090117 22:59:43< loonycyborg> Yes.
20090117 22:59:58< grzywacz> loonycyborg, I upgraded world... a few days ago and the latest I get is 1.34. -_-;
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20090117 23:00:51< loonycyborg> grzywacz: It was long time since I've installed 1.35 . Perhaps it was masked since then.
20090117 23:00:55< ilor> Soliton: yeah, but I still don't like being stuck with a very old version of a library.
20090117 23:01:12< loonycyborg> Yet it doesn't offer a downgrade if I run "emerge boost"
20090117 23:02:42 * grzywacz ponders the situation
20090117 23:03:19< loonycyborg> Perhaps it isn't masked in my profile but masked in yours?
20090117 23:03:20< grzywacz> Perhaps I could bundle program_options with Wesnoth for the time being, as was selectively done with foreach and lexical_cast.... :S
20090117 23:03:54< Shadow_Master> we'll eventually turn into an unofficial Boost distribution.
20090117 23:04:15< Shadow_Master> (just sayin')
20090117 23:04:30< grzywacz> :s
20090117 23:04:38< loonycyborg> We already turned into an unofficial sdl-ttf distribution :)
20090117 23:04:47< loonycyborg> Yet sdl-ttf was dropped.
20090117 23:05:00< loonycyborg> Hope it'll happen with program_options too :)
20090117 23:05:19< Ivanovic> Sirp: people really seem to dislike the automatic active summary upload without a warning
20090117 23:05:21< grzywacz> That would be for a transition period, of course.
20090117 23:05:33< Ivanovic> Sirp: that is: the only danish translator just wrote about this to the -i18n ml
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20090117 23:06:09< Shadow_Master> weren't we going to have a warning on first run?
20090117 23:06:28< grzywacz> I thought there used to be one... But maybe not anymore?
20090117 23:09:51< Soliton> there is but it's in the tips.
20090117 23:10:18< grzywacz> so-so
20090117 23:10:31< Shadow_Master> berlios is way too slow for me :-/
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20090117 23:11:55< Ivanovic> Soliton: and it is so easy to not see this since basically everybody ignores tips of the day anyway
20090117 23:11:57< Ivanovic> ;)
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20090117 23:12:38< Shadow_Master> IIRC some people here were against displaying a dialog with some clickable button on the first run too
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20090117 23:17:06< grzywacz> Sure, it's ugly from usability perspective.
20090117 23:17:23< grzywacz> Maybe display a dialog when the first upload is about to take place?
20090117 23:19:06< Shadow_Master> doesn't sound like an improvement for me
20090117 23:19:47< grzywacz> Well, you don't get hit with a dialog when you run wesnoth for the first time.
20090117 23:21:18< Shadow_Master> but you do at a random time later?
20090117 23:22:55< Shadow_Master> ("CAMPAIGN_Spore" in  stats.wesnoth.org??)
20090117 23:23:44< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, as I said, before the actual upload actually happens. That would give the player time to learn about the menu, etc., without being disturbed first.
20090117 23:23:50< grzywacz> Just my 2 euro cents. ;)
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20090117 23:27:11< Shadow_Master> the local currency does not allow me to give any cents :(
20090117 23:32:10< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: did you file the bug already?
20090117 23:33:06< Shadow_Master> since Ivanovic won't release today (;) I may be able to fix it tonight with some luck
20090117 23:33:23< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: No. I was distracted by chatting :)
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20090117 23:33:37< Shadow_Master> shame on you.
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