--- Log opened Sun Jan 18 00:00:55 2009
20090118 00:03:35< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: I'll file UMC translations bug if I'll manage to repro it.
20090118 00:03:55 * loonycyborg is looking for an UMC with translations
20090118 00:05:42< loonycyborg> Unless getting "no location found for 'data/campaigns/Delfadors_Memoirs/translations', not adding textdomain" is enough to state that the bug exists..
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20090118 00:07:46< Soliton> DM is not translated afaict.
20090118 00:08:23< loonycyborg> But should the presence of empty "translations" dir be enough to add a textdomain?
20090118 00:08:42< loonycyborg> Or it should contain some .mo files?
20090118 00:08:49< Soliton> only TDH, bad moon rising and era of strife are marked translatable.
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20090118 00:29:29< loonycyborg> Ok. Now Shadow_Master has another bug assigned to him.
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20090118 00:54:49< Sapient> ESR_: unterminated string bug in wmliterator? can you give me a testcase?
20090118 00:55:52< ESR_> Sapient: Try running wmllint on the main tree (make lint in data/tools).
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20090118 00:56:24< Sapient> so the testcase is all the WML in the entire distro?
20090118 00:56:29< Sapient> ok...
20090118 00:56:45< Sapient> if you could narrow it down a little
20090118 00:58:05 * Sapient runs wmllint on data/core data/{multiplayer,themes} data/campaigns
20090118 00:59:07< Sapient> looks like "data\core\macros\scenario-utils.cfg", line 109
20090118 01:02:29< Ivanovic> off to bed, n8
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20090118 01:10:41< Patterner> I have boost 1.37 on amd64, but I cheat...
20090118 01:11:11< Patterner> And the new scons has warnings regarding SConscript...
20090118 01:20:11< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20090118 01:27:53< norbert_> just finished Invasion from the Unknown; nice campaigns those, although there's a bit much talking for my liking
20090118 01:28:52< norbert_> had a lot of things that I hadn't seen in other campaigns, including ideas like the union thing
20090118 01:31:21< norbert_> anyways, thanks all the people who worked on it :)
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20090118 01:38:34< Patterner> http://dymer.de/SigSegV_3.txt  r32206
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20090118 02:00:35< ilor> gn
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20090118 04:28:03< fabi> Hello everybody, did we release?
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20090118 04:40:40< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090118 05:01:03< CIA-6> esr * r32207 /trunk/data/core/macros/ai_controller.cfg: wmllint pacification.
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20090118 05:30:53< mordante> zookeeper I copied the caret always visible from the current widgets (eg create a local game has the chatfield and the name of your game)
20090118 05:50:37< mordante> Ivanovic it seems two strings in the mp dialog aren't in the po-files yet
20090118 05:51:56< mordante> and I think plain text is better as clear text
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20090118 05:57:40< mordante> I found the problem for the pikeman, it seems those images aren't 205x205 and we have more of them
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20090118 05:58:57< mordante> also the large drake clasher looks bad in the help
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20090118 06:24:33< Sapient> just got back from a date
20090118 06:24:41< Sapient> I will take a look at wmliterator now
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20090118 06:33:27< Sapient> it seems to be giving a false error when a multiline string ends with an empty line (")
20090118 06:34:09< Sapient> should be an easy fix
20090118 06:39:04< mordante> it seems delfador, konrad and Li'sar still have a black background
20090118 06:43:48< CIA-6> mordante * r32208 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/message.cfg: 
20090118 06:43:48< CIA-6> Add a better test to detect old portraits.
20090118 06:43:48< CIA-6> It seems not all old images are 205x205 so that test failed. Now test
20090118 06:43:48< CIA-6> whether both dimensions are < 300 if so treat it as an old small image
20090118 06:43:48< CIA-6> and don't scale otherwise scale. This doesn't work entirely for Arne
20090118 06:43:51< CIA-6> (TB) 297x333 but unscaled he'll hide some text.
20090118 06:56:56< mordante> Sapient I just had a look at your bug report and this kind of problem seems to have happened before
20090118 06:57:06< Sapient> o rly
20090118 06:57:09< mordante> can't remember the details
20090118 06:57:38< mordante> I'm also quite sure I'm not to blame
20090118 06:58:34< Sapient> huh, this is funny. when I run WmlIterator over the files it does not emit an error
20090118 06:58:45< Sapient> but wmllint using WmlIterator does
20090118 07:17:41< Sapient> ah, it looks like wmllint is not using file.readlines() but is instead splitting lines, so they have no trailing \n
20090118 07:18:33< Sapient> ESR_: here?
20090118 07:22:28< Sapient> oh, weird
20090118 07:22:49< Sapient> lines = ['    map_data="', 'usage=map\n', ... ]
20090118 07:23:19< Sapient> there is no trailing \n after the first line, because it and usage were on the same line
20090118 07:24:40< Sapient> so... how did it get split into two lines?
20090118 07:25:10< Sapient> this is data\core\macros\scenario-utils.cfg", line 109
20090118 07:30:30< Sapient> text.rfind('\n', beginofend, len(text)-1) will of course fail if there are no \n between lines
20090118 07:31:25< ESR_> Sapient: Now I am.  What's up?
20090118 07:31:51< Sapient> looks like the wmliterator EOF false error is due to some weird splitline behavior of wmllint
20090118 07:32:13< Sapient> data\core\macros\scenario-utils.cfg", line 109 is split by wmllint into two lines
20090118 07:32:22< ESR_> Oh.  Let me look at how it does line breaking.
20090118 07:32:31< Sapient> so lines[108] = '    map_data="'
20090118 07:32:45< Sapient> and lines[109] = 'usage=map\n'
20090118 07:35:26< Sapient> I could write a workaround but obviously it would still suck since all line number reports would be off-by-one
20090118 07:35:39< ESR_> Right, that's an effect of  some hair logic for parsing inline map sections.  It would be rather painful to change, and trying might well introduce additional bugs.  Can you live with it?
20090118 07:35:39< Sapient> so I think it should be fixed at the wmllint level
20090118 07:36:05< ESR_> The fix would be likely to break other things.
20090118 07:36:18< Sapient> I don't buy that
20090118 07:36:36< ESR_> Otherwise I'd have done it already.  I know that code is inelegant.
20090118 07:37:07< Sapient> it needs to be done right. saying we're on line 109 when we're on line 108 is already fail
20090118 07:38:38< ESR_> Er...it wasn't failing.
20090118 07:39:13< Sapient> you don't consider that a failure to have innacurate reporting?
20090118 07:39:29< ESR_> I compensated for it.
20090118 07:40:26 * ESR_ stares at the code again...
20090118 07:41:11< Sapient> WmlIterator wants to get the physical lines
20090118 07:41:18< Sapient> so that's what you should pass it
20090118 07:41:25< Sapient> compensate for that
20090118 07:42:58< Sapient> ?
20090118 07:43:08< ESR_> So now you're tgelling me I should renmove wmliterator uses from my code, because it's no longer a useful service for what I'm trying to do.
20090118 07:43:31< Sapient> not exactly
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20090118 07:44:01< Sapient> if you are tracking the cludge lines then you can pass them in mended form
20090118 07:44:25< ESR_> You've changed it out from under me and are now telling me I need to do a complicated rewrite.  How else am I supposed to inteerpret that?
20090118 07:45:23< Sapient> eh? if you are tracking the cludge lines then you can pass them in mended form
20090118 07:45:28< Sapient> that's not a rewrite
20090118 07:45:43< Sapient> although I'd recommend a rewrite
20090118 07:45:54< ESR_> I mean, clearly wmliterator doesn't have an interface contract I can rely on.  What about the *next* time you change it?  Will I have to do another complicated rewrite?
20090118 07:46:07< ESR_> I guess relying on it was a mistake.
20090118 07:46:19< Sapient> you are silly
20090118 07:46:31< Sapient> what interface has been violated?
20090118 07:46:43< ESR_> *Yo* broke wmllint.  Don't tell me I'm silly.
20090118 07:46:44 * Sapient waits
20090118 07:47:26< Sapient> I'm willing to introduce a workaround so that it won't spew an EOF when you give it lines without '\n
20090118 07:47:37< Sapient> I just don't think it's a REAL fix
20090118 07:47:47< Sapient> if you can live with that then whatever
20090118 07:48:34< Sapient> as far as your 'interface violation' accusation, it's absurd
20090118 07:48:38< ESR_> If the workaround will fix the current problem I;m all for it.
20090118 07:49:55< Sapient> it will silence/hide the problem, much like before, but as I said it's not a real fix
20090118 07:50:42< Sapient> probably good enough for our purposes though
20090118 07:51:21< ESR_> Complain about it in a comment.  If I have to rewrite that scanning logic for a functional reason I will cooperate with you on something you can cionsider a 'real' fix.
20090118 07:51:54< Sapient> very well
20090118 07:53:09< ESR_> Thing is, it was difficult to get right.  You've zeroed in on what's probably the single most fragile and bitcht piece of logic in there.  If I seem excessively prickly about messing with it, that's why.
20090118 07:53:58< Sapient> I think my use of text.rfind() was probably inefficient there anyways
20090118 07:54:15< Sapient> so eliminating it could be nice
20090118 07:54:53< ESR_> I need to sleep...
20090118 07:55:10< Sapient> ok, cya
20090118 07:55:22< ESR_> Good night, all..
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20090118 08:29:54< CIA-6> sapient * r32209 /trunk/data/tools/wesnoth/wmliterator.py: minor optimization of parseQuotes which also silences EOF warning when partial lines passed by wmllint
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20090118 10:22:02< zookeeper> mordante, AFAIK the idea is to only use the transparent portraits for the help too at in 1.6 one way or another, right? otherwise we'd need to create a 205x205 duplicate of like half of all portraits or more.
20090118 10:24:07< zookeeper> i do have a suggestion for that, but i'm not sure if our current code would support that at all: put the transparent portrait in the bottom left corner of the unit help _view_ (not the whole page), so it stays in the same spot when scrolling and is always visible. then just align the resistances and terrain modifiers to the right side of the page.
20090118 10:26:29< zookeeper> (and the portrait would render _under_ any text, obviously)
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20090118 11:02:25< Ivanovic> moin
20090118 11:03:17< Ivanovic> mordante: what is the status of the dialogs?
20090118 11:04:05< Ivanovic> zookeeper: probably a problem in small resolutions
20090118 11:04:17< Ivanovic> zookeeper: there you at least have to scale the image to have it fit
20090118 11:05:17< zookeeper> surely even on the smaller resolutions the page window dimensions are larger than those of any portrait.
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20090118 11:40:26< grzywacz> moin
20090118 11:40:51< loonycyborg> moinmoin :)
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20090118 12:08:20< mordante> zookeeper I won't rewrite the help before 1.6 and afaik we have 205x205 images of most portraits
20090118 12:09:14< mordante> Ivanovic no idea ;-) I fixed a bug this morning but not sure whether there are more
20090118 12:09:34< mordante> also not sure which bug existed
20090118 12:13:23< Ivanovic> mordante: like i wrote yesterday: start two brothers, click through the dialogs, exit, directly start tsg
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20090118 12:13:41< Ivanovic> see the portraits not being found and the "peasant at work"-sign being used
20090118 12:14:19< Ivanovic> this is the only blocker i see atm
20090118 12:15:56< mordante> I missed that message :-/
20090118 12:16:57< Ivanovic> this is probably the only blocker left (at least the only one i see=
20090118 12:20:12< mordante> I can't reproduce it
20090118 12:21:49< mordante> did you run in debug mode?
20090118 12:24:00 * boucman 's bugs are not blockers :)
20090118 12:24:50< Ivanovic> mordante: no, this was in "normal" mode
20090118 12:25:02< Ivanovic> lets see if the bug is still in or if your last change fixed it...
20090118 12:25:33< mordante> I can't see how my last commit fixed it
20090118 12:25:51< Ivanovic> ah, it is working now
20090118 12:26:00< mordante> I can reproduce it in debug mode directly in TB
20090118 12:26:13< Ivanovic> oh
20090118 12:26:15< Ivanovic> lovely
20090118 12:26:47< mordante> well it's not too hard to fix and also gets rid of the extra console output
20090118 12:27:09< Ivanovic> okay, that sounds good to me
20090118 12:27:49< mordante> but image::locator::is_void() didn't work so get the image which gives the peasant in debug mode
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20090118 12:28:43< mordante> and it seems is_void really doesn't work as advertised (or not how I use it, before getting the image)
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20090118 12:55:13< zookeeper> mordante, we only got the small ones for lordbob's and kitty's portraits. of course we can duplicate all the rest too.
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20090118 12:59:41< zookeeper> (but i'm not sure who would want to do that)
20090118 13:02:58< zookeeper> mordante, anyway, would what i described be reasonably possible to do currently if someone wanted to?
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20090118 13:43:58< CIA-6> shadowmaster * r32210 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Cleaned up some stray whitespace or tabstops
20090118 13:44:43< CIA-6> shadowmaster * r32211 /trunk/ (RELEASE_NOTES changelog players_changelog src/language.cpp): 
20090118 13:44:43< CIA-6> Fixed a small bug that was causing the translations engine to look
20090118 13:44:43< CIA-6> at badly mixed up paths when trying to locate UMC translations.
20090118 13:44:43< CIA-6> (If you like short stories, this just fixes bug #12872.)
20090118 13:44:43< CIA-6> (I've got no idea why get_binary_paths() is not delivering paths
20090118 13:44:44< CIA-6> with trailing slashes, but since this was the only victim, I
20090118 13:44:48< CIA-6> just did a quick hack in the textdomain initializer.)
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20090118 13:48:35< CIA-6> shadowmaster * r32212 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): 
20090118 13:48:35< CIA-6> I guess asking people to keep the changelogs' main categories in
20090118 13:48:35< CIA-6> alphabetical order was too much.
20090118 13:50:21< CIA-6> ivanovic * r32213 /trunk/po/ (6 files in 6 dirs): updated Spanish translation
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20090118 13:51:17< Shadow_Master> a PM from Elven: [Re: Invasion from the Unknown (1.10.3) for Wesnoth 1.5-1.6]
20090118 13:51:23< Shadow_Master> "Hello \n 
20090118 13:51:28< Shadow_Master> just one little silly question. Can you help me? I like to make my short campaign also for 1.6. how can i do that? what i have to change? \n many thanks "
20090118 13:51:46< Shadow_Master> I won't reply, but I still wanted to share.
20090118 13:52:12< Ivanovic> do you think this does hurt somehow?
20090118 13:52:13< Ivanovic> ;)
20090118 13:58:04< Ivanovic> mordante: so what is the status of your changes?
20090118 13:58:13< Ivanovic> are they ready to commit and will you commit soon?
20090118 13:58:23< Ivanovic> i would like to get 1.5.8 out *very* soon
20090118 13:58:25< Ivanovic> :)
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20090118 14:00:44< mordante> Ivanovic I'm just testing
20090118 14:00:56< Ivanovic> okay
20090118 14:01:13< Ivanovic> running the pot update to prepare 1.5.8
20090118 14:01:21< mordante> some people called me so was away for a while
20090118 14:01:45< Ivanovic> tststs, you should have unplugged/turned off your phone
20090118 14:01:47< Ivanovic> ;)
20090118 14:02:25< mordante> I'll remember that ;-)
20090118 14:02:30< Ivanovic> mordante: and where have you seen untranslated strings?
20090118 14:02:41< Ivanovic> you said something about some multiplayer dialog, where exactly?
20090118 14:02:49< mordante> the password stuff
20090118 14:03:51< Ivanovic> nope, this is translated since yesterady
20090118 14:05:00< mordante> odd I'm quite sure I did an update before testing
20090118 14:05:39< Ivanovic> i just checked and all the stuff is translated as it should be
20090118 14:06:22< mordante> zookeeper how much images are then only big?
20090118 14:09:36< CIA-6> mordante * r32215 /trunk/src/ (game_events.cpp image.cpp image.hpp): 
20090118 14:09:36< CIA-6> Add a better file existance test.
20090118 14:09:36< CIA-6> The old test failed in debug mode due to the under construction sign and
20090118 14:09:36< CIA-6> also flooded the output with messages. The is_void() also doesn't work
20090118 14:09:36< CIA-6> as expected so added a new function which does the proper test.
20090118 14:09:42< CIA-6> ivanovic * r32214 /trunk/ (472 files in 12 dirs): 
20090118 14:09:42< CIA-6> pot-update (hopefully getting ready for 1.5.8, no strings should have changed, just references updated)
20090118 14:09:42< CIA-6> regenerated doc files
20090118 14:10:53< Ivanovic> boucman, ESR_, grzywacz, loonycyborg, mordante, Shadow_Master, Sirp, Soliton, thespaceinvader, zookeeper, everyone else who cares: ready for 1.5.8?
20090118 14:11:05< Ivanovic> (that is after some testing that mordantes changes really do work as expected)
20090118 14:11:15< thespaceinvader> ivanovic: yup
20090118 14:11:16< mordante> Ivanovic what about the portraits with a black background?
20090118 14:11:37< Ivanovic> mordante: they will still be black and look strange in this release
20090118 14:12:08< mordante> ok
20090118 14:12:16< boucman> all good for me
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20090118 14:15:16< Ivanovic> how comes that erlornas is shown on the right side (aoi)?
20090118 14:15:28< Ivanovic> is this intentional or should the image just be mirrored?
20090118 14:17:12< Ivanovic> mordante: what is meant to happen to those "narrator" windows popping up?
20090118 14:17:37< Ivanovic> currently it is rather strange that the dialogs are shown at the bottom and those narrator/hint popups at the top
20090118 14:17:49< Ivanovic> maybe those popups should be centered vertically?
20090118 14:18:04< Ivanovic> you can see an example of this in the opening scene of tsg
20090118 14:18:44< mordante> Ivanovic the password stuff still not translated for me, but I see the translation in the po files :-/
20090118 14:19:00< Ivanovic> wow, at the start of low i just got this: <WML> Warning: Campaign started
20090118 14:19:11< Ivanovic> as a "chat" line at the top
20090118 14:19:16< Ivanovic> mordante: interesting
20090118 14:19:57< mordante> yes :-/
20090118 14:20:10< fabi_> hi
20090118 14:20:24< mordante> hi fabi_ 
20090118 14:20:29< fabi_> hi mordante
20090118 14:21:25< mordante> erlornas is an elvish lord, whose portrait should only be shown on the right side
20090118 14:21:41< Ivanovic> mordante: the question is: why?
20090118 14:21:47< fabi_> Ivanovic: My small part of wesnoth is untested more or less but I guess it's okay for the 1.5.8 release.
20090118 14:21:54< Ivanovic> is there anything speaking against moving the to the left side?
20090118 14:22:07< Ivanovic> fabi_: what part is this?
20090118 14:22:48< mordante> kitty wants the elvish lord and the female white mage only on the right side
20090118 14:23:09< Ivanovic> hmm, okay
20090118 14:23:32< boucman> wesbot: seen jetrel
20090118 14:23:32< Ivanovic> would be nice if she could have a look at things again in 1.5.8 and comment on how it looks and feels in that release
20090118 14:23:32< wesbot> boucman: The person with the nick Jetrel last spoke 7d 16h ago.  7d 16h ago person left:
20090118 14:23:38< boucman> wesbot: seen jetryl
20090118 14:23:39< wesbot> boucman: Sorry, I don't know of jetryl.
20090118 14:23:51< mordante> most images can be mirrored and in the future I want to let the user specify the location
20090118 14:25:51< Ivanovic> fabi_, ESR_, whoever feels responsible: in data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/01_The_Uprooting.cfg can the [wml_message] block be removed?
20090118 14:26:11< Ivanovic> line 264 following
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20090118 14:26:58< Ivanovic> generally speaking: low is the only campaign with those messages, are they needed at those places or not?
20090118 14:28:11< mordante> Ivanovic I want to convert the rest of the dialogs as well only I lacked time the last few weeks :-(
20090118 14:28:12< Ivanovic> http://pastebin.com/m16fab69d
20090118 14:28:21< Ivanovic> mordante: okay
20090118 14:28:57< Ivanovic> who is currently maintaining low, is it you fabi_, is it ESR_ or maybe zookeeper?
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20090118 14:38:55< fabi_> Ivanovic: I am. wml_message, let's see...
20090118 14:41:04< fabi_> Ivanovic: Why do you want me to remove it? I wanted to make use of that message more often.
20090118 14:42:49< mordante> Ivanovic I deleted my po dir and rebuilded it and now the passwort strings are translated :-)
20090118 14:44:54< fabi_> Ivanovic: the untested part is LoW. UtBS should be fine.
20090118 14:48:51< Ivanovic> fabi_: because i think that those strange debug messages look bad in a release
20090118 14:48:57< Ivanovic> especially one "campaign started"
20090118 14:49:04< Ivanovic> since every user will see it right at the start
20090118 14:51:51< Ivanovic> fabi_: using such a message while debugging things is nice and fine
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20090118 14:52:17< Ivanovic> but using it in places where normal users see it as "WML: Warning" is *bad* since it looks like "something is broken here..."
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20090118 14:53:00< fabi_> Ivanovic: this message was only visible when wesnoth is started with --debug. Has this changed?
20090118 14:53:52< Ivanovic> no, the message is visible when starting normally
20090118 14:54:08< Ivanovic> i just started wesnoth without any debug stuff set, started the campaign and got the message
20090118 14:54:14< fabi_> oh
20090118 14:54:47< Ivanovic> jupp
20090118 14:55:03< fabi_> is there a message that is only shown in --debug mode?
20090118 14:55:08< Ivanovic> i don't know
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20090118 14:56:11< fabi_> I wish I could write c++. So many little feature that aren't that hard to implement I guess come to my mind.
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20090118 14:57:13< CIA-6> fendrin * r32216 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/01_The_Uprooting.cfg: LoW 01: Commented out a debug message.
20090118 14:57:52< zookeeper> mordante, only lordbob's and kitty's portraits have both versions. all the rest are transparent only, and some of them (i don't know how many exactly) are >205x205
20090118 14:58:00 * Ivanovic will wait for zookeeper finishing reading the log and when he does not shout "stop the presses" i will release
20090118 14:58:32< mordante> zookeeper yes I noticed but I found a workaround for them
20090118 14:58:56< mordante> my problem was the drake clasher which has only has a big image
20090118 14:59:50 * zookeeper shouts "stop the presses" for a moment while he checks and discusses some things ;)
20090118 15:00:18< mordante> thespaceinvader http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/UnitWML shows some info about the new images and how to make them work right side only
20090118 15:00:41< mordante> what happens to the [portrait] part will be looked at post 1.6
20090118 15:00:47< thespaceinvader> thanks mordante
20090118 15:01:02< zookeeper> mordante, ok so profile= portraits work right now, both generic unit type portraits and single unit portraits?
20090118 15:01:07< mordante> no problem
20090118 15:01:08< thespaceinvader> i'll check out the WML in detail next time i commit a portrait
20090118 15:01:16< mordante> ok
20090118 15:01:21< zookeeper> (i don't think it matters for this release if some of them look silly in the unit help, we can sort that out later)
20090118 15:01:57< mordante> zookeeper it should since I use the profile key and added some code hacks on top of it
20090118 15:02:36< mordante> but that's the easiest to keep WML compatible and not force a lot of WML to be rewritten before 1.6
20090118 15:02:41< zookeeper> ok. well, then i see no blockers for the release :)
20090118 15:03:53< zookeeper> ah, hmm, give me a minute and i'll fix some missing TC
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20090118 15:05:21< zookeeper> done
20090118 15:05:45< CIA-6> zookeeper * r32217 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/_main.cfg: Fixed missing TC in difficulty level icons.
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20090118 15:07:47< CIA-6> zookeeper * r32218 /trunk/data/campaigns/Under_the_Burning_Suns/images/portraits/ (11 files): Transparent versions of most UtBS portraits (Eloh, Grog and naga hunter still missing).
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20090118 15:08:58< zookeeper> mordante, awesome, even the unit image works for portraitless units :) without TC though
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20090118 15:10:53< mordante> can you give an example unit?
20090118 15:12:35< Ivanovic> mordante: start liberty
20090118 15:12:42< Ivanovic> there you will see it
20090118 15:13:38< zookeeper> or UtBS (just trigger some generic elf dialogue)
20090118 15:14:06< Ivanovic> liberty is easier, there it is in the starting dialog
20090118 15:15:00< CIA-6> mordante * r32219 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: Update the the RELEASE_NOTES.
20090118 15:18:39< mordante> I see what you mean, I'll need to think about how to fix it
20090118 15:18:44< mordante> but I'm afk for now
20090118 15:19:43< Ivanovic> zookeeper: okay, so can i release now?
20090118 15:19:46< zookeeper> sure
20090118 15:19:54 * Ivanovic does not care too much about pink unit image in dialogs
20090118 15:19:55< Ivanovic> ;)
20090118 15:19:59< mordante> have fun releasing :-)
20090118 15:20:19 * mordante neither
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20090118 15:31:15< CIA-6> ivanovic * r32220 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
20090118 15:31:15< CIA-6> changelog updates/fixes
20090118 15:31:15< CIA-6> bumped version to 1.5.8
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20090118 15:52:02< CIA-6> ivanovic * r32221 /tags/1.5.8/: tagged 1.5.8, using r32220
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20090118 16:14:47< busfahrer> What's the URL for the 1.5.8 tarball?
20090118 16:16:49 * boucman upgrades to 1.5.8
20090118 16:17:06< boucman> busfahrer: I don't think the tarball has been released yet
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20090118 16:31:19< CIA-6> ivanovic * r32222 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): post release version bump to 1.5.8
20090118 16:31:36< Ivanovic> busfahrer: it is available at af.net
20090118 16:32:44< Ivanovic> at least it should be so in some mins once it propagated onto various mirrors
20090118 16:32:56< Ivanovic> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wesnoth/wesnoth-1.5.8.tar.bz2?download
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20090118 16:35:55< Ivanovic> :)
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20090118 16:39:14 * boucman is already compiling
20090118 16:39:22 * boucman knows he shouldn't do that
20090118 16:39:44 * boucman knows he won't be able to play because the server won't be cycled until most platforms are available :)
20090118 16:39:58 * Ivanovic was definitely the first to compile from the 1.5.8 tarball!
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20090118 16:42:47< shadowm_outdoors> mordante, zookeeper: if mordante isn't going to modify the help system to recognize the new portraits, perhaps I can once mordante estabilizes the API
20090118 16:42:55< shadowm_outdoors> mordante, mordante :P
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20090118 16:45:19< shadowm_outdoors> it should be just drawing a new-style portrait on a black, bordered frame, "as it fits".
20090118 16:45:44< zookeeper> no, because the layout would be dorky then
20090118 16:45:53< shadowm_outdoors> why?
20090118 16:46:04< zookeeper> the layout is already completely dorky when there's more than one portrait, just look at elvish archers
20090118 16:46:16< shadowm_outdoors> perhaps I forgot to explictly mention that it should be scaled...
20090118 16:46:19< zookeeper> a single 400x400 portrait would mess it up just as bad
20090118 16:46:25< zookeeper> oh, right.
20090118 16:46:35< shadowm_outdoors> I thought it was pretty obvious.
20090118 16:46:48 * zookeeper shrugs
20090118 16:47:02< zookeeper> it's not like the full size version couldn't be used
20090118 16:48:00< zookeeper> (or, that it couldn't be downscaled just on lower resolutions)
20090118 16:48:57< shadowm_outdoors> um, once again a wesnoth-umc-dev admin introduces 2 add-on support bugfixes ot mainline. ;)
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20090118 16:51:56< shadowm_outdoors> loonycyborgw32: could you check that my bugfix doesn't break anything on Windows?
20090118 16:52:20< shadowm_outdoors> I mean, if Windows is a reasonable enough platform, it should accept paths like "userdata//////////data///campaigns" should that be encountered somewhere
20090118 16:52:26< loonycyborgw32> shadowm_outdoors: You mean for UMC translations?
20090118 16:52:35< shadowm_outdoors> yes, but also for mainline
20090118 16:53:20< shadowm_outdoors> and if you are the windows packager, also make sure the released package *has* translations ;)
20090118 16:53:37< loonycyborgw32> cmd.exe accepts /// for sure
20090118 16:54:13< shadowm_outdoors> I guess then it'd be reasonable to expect the rest of the platform to behave the same
20090118 16:55:05< loonycyborgw32> I'll give it more testing once it finishes compiling :)
20090118 16:55:29< Ivanovic> ESR_: will you soon have a look at writing a "full fledged release announcement" for 1.6?
20090118 16:55:30< shadowm_outdoors> sure, take your time.
20090118 16:55:38< Ivanovic> ESR_: so that translators got some time to work on things
20090118 16:56:02< shadowm_outdoors> ESR_, Ivanovic I don't recall the specifics at the moment, but I have seen many typos in the wesnoth-nr textdomain
20090118 16:56:13< shadowm_outdoors> am I free to fix them myself when they are obvious typos?
20090118 16:56:31< Ivanovic> shadowm_outdoors: add them on the spelling mistake page
20090118 16:56:36< Ivanovic> then ESR_ can fix them in one go
20090118 16:56:41< shadowm_outdoors> okay
20090118 16:57:03< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SpellingMistakes
20090118 16:59:18< shadowm_outdoors> Ivanovic: there's also another problem
20090118 16:59:39< shadowm_outdoors> "nagini" is a character in some copyrighted book IIRC, but we use it as the female unit_type labels for the female Nagas
20090118 17:00:10< shadowm_outdoors> The female race name has been "Nagani" since the introduction of translatable race names, though.
20090118 17:00:17< Ivanovic> shadowm_outdoors: uhm, some character and a unit type is IMO different enough
20090118 17:00:21< shadowm_outdoors> so... it's really dumb.
20090118 17:00:28< shadowm_outdoors> erm, read above.
20090118 17:00:35< Ivanovic> okay, no idea what the "normal" version should be then
20090118 17:00:37< Ivanovic> ask ESR_
20090118 17:00:39< Ivanovic> ;)
20090118 17:00:57< shadowm_outdoors> I actually thought zookeeper and his secret action squad were behind the race and unit typ enames.
20090118 17:02:15< shadowm_outdoors> yes, that message was written purely for calling his attention.
20090118 17:03:44 * Soliton notes that wesnothd will not work well in 1.5.8.
20090118 17:04:22 * shadowm_outdoors wonders what are the issues affecting it
20090118 17:05:18< Soliton> sporadic crashitis.
20090118 17:05:37< Ivanovic> lovely...
20090118 17:05:51< shadowm_outdoors> no clue as to what caused it?
20090118 17:07:58< zookeeper> shadowm_outdoors, err, i don't know anything about that. i'm guessing esr might have changed that to nagani, but i don't recall being aware of that before.
20090118 17:08:11< zookeeper> or it could just be a typo
20090118 17:08:28< shadowm_outdoors> I consider it a happy typo for some reason.
20090118 17:08:51< shadowm_outdoors> e.g. I'd replace all instances of "nagini" to match the race name, "nagani"
20090118 17:08:52< boucman> Soliton: do you have a backtrace ?
20090118 17:09:33< shadowm_outdoors> but that's my personal opinion. and don't try to deny that there was a Secret Action Squad behind writing race names and descriptions in 1.3.x
20090118 17:09:37< shadowm_outdoors> ;)
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20090118 17:12:23< Turuk> Is anyone in here against mnewton1 being asked to stop posting in the Art Contributions forum?
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20090118 17:13:13< boucman> Turuk: hmm isn't his contribs for mainline ?
20090118 17:13:32< shadowm_outdoors> boucman: he doesn't contrib.
20090118 17:13:41< Turuk> No, he is currently fiddling in Art Workshop learning to animate
20090118 17:13:58< Turuk> I am speaking more towards his tendency to post inane comments in Art Contributions
20090118 17:14:08< Turuk> "I like it! But it looks weird...."
20090118 17:14:18< zookeeper> he's a noob who won't be able to contribute anything useful but who's just posting useless comments in every thread 
20090118 17:14:27< Turuk> "That seems like too much light for a dwarf in a tunnel...."
20090118 17:14:37< zookeeper> surely you mean tunnle.
20090118 17:14:43< boucman> Turuk: He need to be taught to act properly in the art forums, but I wouldn't take any action that could be considered punitive at this point
20090118 17:14:57< Turuk> I corrected the spelling ;)
20090118 17:15:01< boucman> don't forget there is a special forum for "soft skinned" artists
20090118 17:15:16< Turuk> Ok, fair enough, I will send him a warning.  It has not to do with him offending artist as making pointless posts
20090118 17:15:33< Turuk> Trashman was another member who was told not to post in Art Contribs anymore
20090118 17:15:43< boucman> pointless posts are a minor offense, as long as
20090118 17:15:51< boucman> 1) they seem to be done in good faith
20090118 17:16:14< boucman> 2) they arn't spammed averywhere à la some users that managed to be banned because of that
20090118 17:16:39< Turuk> Agreed, but as zookeeper pointed out, he's making good effort towards reaching number 2
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20090118 17:16:46< boucman> I believe that he is still very young and don't realize what "constructive" really is at this point
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20090118 17:17:05< boucman> agreed, that's what I don't think any punitive action is required yet
20090118 17:17:06< boucman> yet
20090118 17:17:43< Turuk> Ok, well I will send him another warning
20090118 17:19:15< shadowm_outdoors> fabi_: https://gna.org/bugs/?12704
20090118 17:19:25< shadowm_outdoors> you are aware that you can emulate that perfectly well, I hope.
20090118 17:19:54< shadowm_outdoors> ( [store_side], check the gold, [recall] and then add negative amounts of gold...)
20090118 17:20:03< boucman> fabi_: moreover, "charge" is a bad choice of name, It reminds me of the special ability
20090118 17:21:10< shadowm_outdoors> I am sure that if FRs could be marked as "won't fix" when they can be solved with simple WML, our FR count would be below 100
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20090118 17:21:48 * boucman does that regularly
20090118 17:21:56< boucman> if a FR is a bad idea, don't do it
20090118 17:23:22< Soliton> boucman: http://nopaste.com/p/ay07RkGP1
20090118 17:23:38< boucman> thx
20090118 17:23:59< boucman> that's for Sirp, it's in simple_wml
20090118 17:24:15< boucman> I was afraid it was related to the network fix we introduced in 1.5.8 
20090118 17:24:36< boucman> Soliton: it's very probably worth opening a bug and assigning to him
20090118 17:24:47< Soliton> he knows about it.
20090118 17:24:50< boucman> k
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20090118 17:30:00< boucman> elias: around ?
20090118 17:30:10< elias> yes
20090118 17:30:30 * crimson_penguin can't build right now, being on dialup
20090118 17:30:36< crimson_penguin> errr, being on battery
20090118 17:30:46< crimson_penguin> my internet's being pretty flakey too though :-/
20090118 17:30:50< loonycyborgw32> Shadow_Master: I tried installing IftU on windows and I'm not getting "not adding textdomain message" anymore.
20090118 17:31:11< loonycyborgw32> Don't see any other new problems either.
20090118 17:39:01< zookeeper> does there exist any software (or, would it be possible) for saving a snapshot of an entire running process and then being able to load that later so that the process would resume at that exact point? so the software would need to save info about which files the process has open etc, but it wouldn't need to handle a situation in which the availability or contents of external resources like files change between the save/load.
20090118 17:39:34< Soliton> cryopid
20090118 17:39:55< boucman> you can sort of do that with whole OS using vmware and that sort of tool
20090118 17:40:13< zookeeper> Soliton, thanks!
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20090118 17:46:48< Soliton> zookeeper: probably not useful for you though?
20090118 17:48:40< boucman> mordante: about the MP log in/password screen...
20090118 17:49:18< boucman> I think it would make more sense to have the keyboard focus in the pwd widget when the window is created
20090118 17:49:35< zookeeper> Soliton, well, not directly. it's more curiosity than actual need anyway
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20090118 18:12:19< grzywacz> http://www.myconfinedspace.com/watermark.php?src=wp-content/uploads/2007/06/001grg3w.jpg
20090118 18:12:20< grzywacz> ;-)
20090118 18:13:59< boucman> I like that one
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20090118 18:18:30< Rhonda> grzywacz: Of course you know where you live. What a stupid statement.
20090118 18:19:05< crimson_penguin> compiling game.cpp took me about 12 seconds
20090118 18:40:21< mordante> shadow_master it makes no sence to convert the help system before 1.6 since a lot of new widgets are needed :-|
20090118 18:40:55< mordante> and I've told you quite often before :-| so please stop being annoying!
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20090118 18:45:52< crimson_penguin> does the MP server use Wesnoth data?
20090118 18:46:03< Soliton> no.
20090118 18:46:25< mordante> boucman I've no strong opinion on which field should be focussed, might also depend on whether or not you save you password
20090118 18:46:40< mordante> but better discuss it with Baufo, he added the field
20090118 18:47:11< boucman> if there is no login => login, if there is but no password => password, else, I'm not sure, probably the game type selection box
20090118 18:47:16< boucman> ok, will do
20090118 18:47:55< mordante> I also wonder whether the password is stored based on the login name
20090118 18:48:23< mordante> in that case I think having the login field focussed is the best solution
20090118 18:48:40< mordante> then again, I'm not sure how the password code works
20090118 18:51:02< crimson_penguin> no data would make it easier to include the MP server, but... I think I'm still not up to making it this time
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20090118 18:59:38< mordante> hi Baufo 
20090118 18:59:46< Soliton> crimson_penguin: not a big problem this time since it has a crash bug. ;-)
20090118 18:59:48< Baufo> hello mordante 
20090118 18:59:53< Baufo> hello all
20090118 19:00:16< crimson_penguin> Soliton: haha, I definitely won't bother then :D
20090118 19:00:20< mordante> Baufo boucman was wondering whether it would be better to focus the password field instead of the login name
20090118 19:00:42< mordante> and we had a short discussion about 15 minutes ago
20090118 19:00:54< Baufo> ok, I'll read the logs
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20090118 19:01:38< mordante> boucman's original question was at [17:48]
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20090118 19:03:59< crimson_penguin> whenever I change the size of the screen, everything looks hideous
20090118 19:04:37< crimson_penguin> when I make it full screen, it looks just as horrible, but different
20090118 19:05:02< mordante> Sirp could you have a look at bug 12632? Would be nice to get it fixed before 1.5.9.
20090118 19:05:29< mordante> crimson_penguin can you paste some screenshots? 
20090118 19:05:59< crimson_penguin> yeah, just a minute
20090118 19:06:19< Baufo> mordante, answering your question: there is only one single password stored because I assumed most people would only have one account
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20090118 19:06:53< crimson_penguin> http://www.happyspork.com/pics/hideous_lobby.png
20090118 19:08:22< crimson_penguin> http://www.happyspork.com/pics/hideous_lobby2.png (fullscreen)
20090118 19:08:36< Baufo> about which field to focus: I guess it makes the most sense to focus the password if the server asked for a password and otherwise focus the username
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20090118 19:09:33< Baufo> furthermore making tab switch between the two fields would be very nice imho
20090118 19:09:35< mordante> so both images are cut of and the fullscreen even more
20090118 19:09:45< crimson_penguin> mordante: I just cropped them
20090118 19:10:04< Soliton> what's the hideous part?
20090118 19:10:18 * mordante also wonders about that
20090118 19:10:23< crimson_penguin> the list backgrounds...
20090118 19:10:41< crimson_penguin> it looks basically like it's low color
20090118 19:10:47< mordante> hasn't it always been like that?
20090118 19:11:02< crimson_penguin> here, I'll make a comparison
20090118 19:11:19< mordante> Baufo I plan to do that but not sure when it's ready
20090118 19:11:31< Soliton> oh, you mean the selection?
20090118 19:12:09< crimson_penguin> the selection, and the other background - really it's all bad, those are just the most obvious places
20090118 19:12:23< Baufo> mordante, so there is no easy way to do that? I was just going to look into that
20090118 19:13:09< crimson_penguin> http://www.happyspork.com/pics/nice_lobby.png
20090118 19:15:04< crimson_penguin> mordante, Soliton: that's what it looks like before the resolution gets changed by either going into fullscreen or resizing the window
20090118 19:18:31< mordante> Baufo no there isn't, I tried to mimic the old widget library as close as possible so no focus changing
20090118 19:19:04< mordante> I want to look into it, but it will take some time and not sure whether it can be done before 1.6
20090118 19:19:16< mordante> the change it too big to make a hacky version IMO
20090118 19:20:02< mordante> sorry crimson_penguin but on my monitor I see no difference
20090118 19:20:14< crimson_penguin> :-/
20090118 19:22:48 * crimson_penguin thinks mordante needs a better screen
20090118 19:23:01< Baufo> mordante, alright, I'll just make the initial focus smarter then
20090118 19:23:19 * mordante waits for crimson_penguin to ship one to him :-P
20090118 19:23:51< crimson_penguin> mordante: I only have the one, and it's kind of part of my MacBook Pro... which you can't have :P
20090118 19:24:45< mordante> then you'll have to live with the fact that I don't see a difference :-P
20090118 19:24:53< crimson_penguin> I guess I will
20090118 19:25:09< mordante> but maybe somebody else sees a difference
20090118 19:31:09< crimson_penguin> neorice sees it when he zooms in :P
20090118 19:32:24< mordante> well I didn't zoom in, but if neo needs to zoom in to see the difference how do you expect us mortals to see the problem :-P
20090118 19:32:52< crimson_penguin> haha :D
20090118 19:33:15< crimson_penguin> you know, I might actually be able to fix this bug myself
20090118 19:36:13< mordante> :-)
20090118 19:39:32< CIA-6> baufo * r32223 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): made the login dialog smarter: if the server asks for a password automatically select the password box
20090118 19:41:07< Baufo> mordante, btw, do you have plans to successively convert everything using the old gui to the new one?
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20090118 19:43:43< Shadow_Master> mordante: convert?
20090118 19:43:58< Shadow_Master> I wanted to *hack*. I am sure your dialogs use a reusable procedure for scaling, etc.
20090118 19:45:02< Shadow_Master> and I don't see what's the annoying part if I intend to do it myself once I study your code and the portraits API is stable
20090118 19:47:00< crimson_penguin> mordante: yeah, the problem is it uses 16-bit color by default, when going into full screen, and when changing screen size
20090118 19:47:24< crimson_penguin> but it definitely has graphics that use 32-bit
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20090118 19:52:11< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: great!
20090118 19:53:39< Shadow_Master> since I wrote that quick fix, perhaps someone can write one for my stomach instead? (nobody? pah.)
20090118 19:54:56< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, drink some mint
20090118 19:55:16< Shadow_Master> ugh.
20090118 19:55:33< CIA-6> baufo * r32224 /trunk/src/multiplayer_ui.cpp: added support for Soliton's addition of kick messages in the command wrapper dialog
20090118 19:56:57< Shadow_Master> most of what I eat has caused me the same for a few months :/
20090118 19:57:50< Shadow_Master> um, might be the coffee.
20090118 19:58:06< grzywacz> coffee doesn't help
20090118 19:58:07< grzywacz> ;)
20090118 19:58:25< Shadow_Master> exactly!
20090118 20:01:34< crimson_penguin> mordante: I think I fixed it pretty well for fullscreen switching, but it seems like there's no new call to SDL_SetVideoMode when the screen is resized, so there isn't much I could do there...
20090118 20:02:42< crimson_penguin> ah, but surely I could fix it for changing the video mode in the preferences...
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20090118 20:04:48< crimson_penguin> does this make any sense? CVideo::CVideo( int x, int y, int bits_per_pixel, int flags) : mode_changed_(false), bpp_(0), fake_screen_(false), help_string_(0), updatesLocked_(0) {
20090118 20:05:01< crimson_penguin> it doesn't use bits_per_pixel inside the function either
20090118 20:05:06< crimson_penguin> oh, sorry, it does
20090118 20:05:25< mordante> Baufo yes but I first need to do some more framework improvements
20090118 20:06:12< mordante> Shadow_Master that I already mentioned that the API will be postponed until 1.7 since I don't want to break all WML out there
20090118 20:06:52< Shadow_Master> then I will work out a way.
20090118 20:07:09< Shadow_Master> but providing duplicated portraits isn't a very elegant solution.
20090118 20:07:21< mordante> I just have less time than I want to :-(
20090118 20:07:38< mordante> it works so why break it :-|
20090118 20:08:27< mordante> I rather have some simple hacks for 1.6 then wasting a lot of time on it since we know the code will be fixed in the future
20090118 20:08:45< Shadow_Master> um... we will need a mid-year 1.8 then.
20090118 20:08:56< mordante> why it works :-|
20090118 20:09:33< mordante> crimson_penguin well if you can provide a patch it would be nice ;-)
20090118 20:09:47< crimson_penguin> mordante: yeah, once I figure it all out ;)
20090118 20:09:56< mordante> thanks :-)
20090118 20:10:18< Shadow_Master> okay... let the redundancy stay there for 1.6. Perhaps I'm just biased by the fact that providing 2 versions of a single portrait is bad for my patience and bandwidth
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20090118 20:11:12< YogiHH> hello everyone
20090118 20:11:39< mordante> hi YogiHH 
20090118 20:12:03< YogiHH> Soliton: what's the trick to get onto the 1.5 mp server? It tells me that i am registered (although i never did) and that there is a problem with hashes (the password, i suppose)?
20090118 20:12:24< mordante> afk
20090118 20:12:45< Soliton> YogiHH: it uses your forum account.
20090118 20:13:11< YogiHH> how does it know my forum account if i use another one?
20090118 20:13:26< Shadow_Master> someone must have stolen it :-/
20090118 20:13:31< Soliton> it uses forum accounts.
20090118 20:14:15< YogiHH> Soliton: so i can't log on with an account that is not registered on the forum?
20090118 20:15:25< Soliton> sure you can.
20090118 20:16:20< YogiHH> Soliton: does it know how to deal with spaces?
20090118 20:16:48< Baufo> YogiHH, I'm afraid it does not
20090118 20:17:17< Baufo> I have to admit I forgot about this problem
20090118 20:17:34< YogiHH> since my forum account is "Yogi Bear" what happens if i try to log on with that?
20090118 20:17:49< Soliton> you can't.
20090118 20:18:04< YogiHH> ok
20090118 20:18:19< Soliton> i think we disallow spaces in forum names now.
20090118 20:18:35< Soliton> at least i hope so since that's silly.
20090118 20:19:29< Baufo> what if we treated spaces like underscores?
20090118 20:19:35< YogiHH> my name is silly? Well, maybe you are right ;-)
20090118 20:19:55< Baufo> e.g. let "Yogi Bear" log in as "Yogi_Bear"?
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20090118 20:22:01< Soliton> allowing spaces in nicks is silly, silly. :-)
20090118 20:22:32< Soliton> Baufo: what if there is a Yogi_Bear account?
20090118 20:23:13< Baufo> then I'd say "Yogi Bear" is out of luck
20090118 20:23:27< Baufo> what's so bad about spaces in nicks anyways?
20090118 20:23:50< Baufo> :p
20090118 20:24:14< Soliton> if you can do that kind of fallback that'd be ok, i guess.
20090118 20:24:43< Soliton> nicks are used on the command line where spaces delimit parameters.
20090118 20:24:58< Baufo> I see, makes sense
20090118 20:25:02< Soliton> so with spaces in nicks it gets nasty.
20090118 20:25:06< YogiHH> can you my forum account be converted to "Yogibear"?
20090118 20:25:20< Soliton> yes.
20090118 20:25:33< Soliton> Ivanovic: ^
20090118 20:26:16< YogiHH> Ivanovic, can you convert my forum account, please?
20090118 20:26:41< Ivanovic> YogiHH: what is the "current" and what should it be?
20090118 20:26:50< isaac> so
20090118 20:26:52< isaac> who is going to fosdem?
20090118 20:26:53< Ivanovic> that is: take care of capitalization, makes a difference
20090118 20:26:54< YogiHH> "Yogi Bear" -> "Yogibear"
20090118 20:26:58< Ivanovic> isaac: i am
20090118 20:27:01< isaac> cool
20090118 20:27:03< isaac> i have just got my tickets
20090118 20:27:18< YogiHH> see you then :-)
20090118 20:27:19< Soliton> isaac: there's a link in the topic.
20090118 20:37:11< busfahrer> Capitalization is the difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse" and "i helped my uncle jack off a horse"
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20090118 20:44:57 * Soliton just logged into the forum as SoLiToN and that worked as well.
20090118 20:51:49< ESR_> Ivanovic: you were looking for me?
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20090118 21:01:39< Shadow_Master> so, I can login on the MP server as "Shadow_Master" just because it isn't registered, right?
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20090118 21:05:20 * Shadow_Master examines the state of the portraits engine again
20090118 21:05:57< Shadow_Master> why both speaking orcs in HttT 1 are using the same portrait... um.
20090118 21:06:44< Shadow_Master> um, someone removed the profile= attributes from them, or I imagined they ever existed.
20090118 21:07:48< Shadow_Master> and is it just me, or the companion Fighter in LoW 1 used to be "Andulias" rather than "Anduilas" :)
20090118 21:11:41< Shadow_Master> argh, I wish I could understand the WML preprocessor code to implement something that'd allow me to do #if WESNOTH_VERSION == 1.5.7
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20090118 21:14:50< Shadow_Master> Sapient: am I supposed to post somewhere in the WML Workshop about the deprecation of [debug_message] and replacement with [wml_message]?
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20090118 21:15:52< Shadow_Master> (when announced, of course...)
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20090118 21:24:28< Shadow_Master> now I am confused. should profile="portraits/galas.png" suffice, and Wesnoth 1.5.8 will check for the file portraits/transparent/galas.png then ?
20090118 21:25:13< Shadow_Master> it would seem that there are some [portrait] left overs in /data/core/units if that is the case.
20090118 21:30:35< zookeeper> mordante said that it'll check for portraits/transparent/galas.png first and if it doesn't find it, it'll just use portraits/galas.png
20090118 21:30:48< zookeeper> so yes, that'd suffice
20090118 21:31:14< Shadow_Master> k, goodness
20090118 21:35:12< Shadow_Master> mordante: um, when the portraits engine defaults to the unit_type baseframe, it does not TC it
20090118 21:36:07< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: 1.5.8 installer is uploaded.
20090118 21:41:37< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, he already knows
20090118 21:41:56< Shadow_Master> ah, sorry then.
20090118 21:42:33< Shadow_Master> and who's in charge of the following: the game no longer saves replays automatically; it asks me about them.
20090118 21:43:11< loonycyborg> Master of Replays? :P
20090118 21:43:42< Shadow_Master> oops, didn't notice I have aaaaancient replays in my directory. That's why it is asking. Though it would do better if it told me "file exists" or something.
20090118 21:45:01< Shadow_Master> um, weird. :-/ now it appears.
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20090118 21:54:42< Shadow_Master_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=111338 <- possible sockpuppet :P
20090118 21:55:42< Turuk_> or person with a dumb name :P
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20090118 21:57:43< mordante> night
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20090118 22:05:05< Turuk_> Just when I thought wesnoth was doing things right
20090118 22:05:06< Turuk_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23738
20090118 22:05:16< Turuk_> there's nothing like a new player to the game to point out a few errors ;)
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20090118 22:06:44< Canageek> ...the first points always bugged me the others seem....
20090118 22:06:53< Canageek> the art one is garbage
20090118 22:07:00< Canageek> I love wesnoths art
20090118 22:08:41< Shadow_Master> damn, I thought I may be able to lock his topic for sockpuppeting.
20090118 22:09:45< Shadow_Master> Canageek: the guy simply doesn't know about our history.
20090118 22:09:47< Shadow_Master> period.
20090118 22:09:54< Canageek> *shrug*
20090118 22:10:03< Canageek> I don't really know wesnoths history
20090118 22:10:07< Canageek> and I've been playing...
20090118 22:10:09< Canageek> 3 years?
20090118 22:10:11< Canageek> ish?
20090118 22:10:13< Shadow_Master> although if he bothered to read the Art Contribs forum he'd realize that those orcs portraits are outdated.
20090118 22:10:28< Turuk_> None of his points really hold water.
20090118 22:10:43< Turuk_> And SM, I am responding
20090118 22:11:13< zookeeper> too slow.
20090118 22:11:18< Shadow_Master> okay, I was gonna try to make up some sort of "response" but I'm too busy trying to ... get... stuff... done.
20090118 22:12:16< Canageek> though why do bats get there own race?
20090118 22:12:22< Canageek> they have what, 3 units now?
20090118 22:12:28< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: um... thanks for accelerating the ban process.
20090118 22:12:52< Shadow_Master>  I mean, he will later post a topic "you people are MEAN" etc. etc. and we'll have to ask Ivanovic to ban him.
20090118 22:12:57< Turuk_> awww zookeeper
20090118 22:13:08< Turuk_> I do not want to post my response now as you locked it and that would look mean
20090118 22:13:19< zookeeper> please do
20090118 22:13:24< Turuk_> Woohoo
20090118 22:13:26< Turuk_> Posting
20090118 22:13:27< Shadow_Master> can I?
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20090118 22:16:09< Shadow_Master> argh. I posted too late.. I'll delete mine.
20090118 22:18:02< Turuk_> Just switch the posting order
20090118 22:18:13< Shadow_Master> I cannot do that :-/
20090118 22:18:19< Turuk_> Haha watch.
20090118 22:18:39< Shadow_Master> D:  ?
20090118 22:19:34< Turuk_> Tada
20090118 22:19:37< Turuk_> Look at the thread now
20090118 22:20:27< Shadow_Master> you edited our posts?
20090118 22:20:47< Turuk_> It says that because I had to move what you said to where he posted, and vice versa
20090118 22:21:01< Turuk_> They both say the exact same as they did before... just at different times
20090118 22:21:02< Shadow_Master> okay... I'm not into that anyway.
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20090118 22:28:23 * Shadow_Master still wonders how that was possible.
20090118 22:29:34 * loonycyborg feels that zookeeper's post is thrown out of context now
20090118 22:29:59 * Turuk_ can revert it if necessary.
20090118 22:30:11< Shadow_Master> add a [quote="wesnoth playuh"]Blah blah[/quote] at the beginning of zooks' post
20090118 22:30:14< Shadow_Master> :)
20090118 22:30:28< Turuk_> I think it still fits though with his attitude.  Cool. Thanks. Locked is perfect ;)
20090118 22:31:17< Soliton> Canageek: what exactly is bugging you about bats having their own race? what other race should they be?
20090118 22:31:23< Canageek> I don't know
20090118 22:31:33< Canageek> its just seemed odd there are all these races with two units
20090118 22:31:56< loonycyborg> Yes. We need more bat units :)
20090118 22:32:09< Canageek> no
20090118 22:32:11< Canageek> bats are EVIL
20090118 22:32:13< Canageek> I hate bats
20090118 22:32:14< loonycyborg> L3 Doom Bat and L4 Armageddon bat :P
20090118 22:32:17< Soliton> well, if you have no idea what other race those units should have i don't get it.
20090118 22:32:20< Canageek> hate hate hate hate
20090118 22:32:26< Canageek> Is there a monster race?
20090118 22:32:32< Shadow_Master> Canageek: are you that guy?!
20090118 22:32:36< Canageek> No
20090118 22:32:39< Canageek> I'm not on the forums
20090118 22:32:45< Soliton> yes, it's for non-recruitable monster units.
20090118 22:32:46< Turuk_> Hmmmm.....
20090118 22:32:47< Canageek> cus I don't have anything important to say
20090118 22:32:55< Canageek> and I think his other points are stupid
20090118 22:33:00< Canageek> or at least uninformed
20090118 22:33:04< Canageek> ah
20090118 22:33:07< Canageek> that makes sense then
20090118 22:33:38< Canageek> has anyone made a unit flow chart?
20090118 22:33:46< Soliton> unit.wesnoth.org?
20090118 22:33:48< Canageek> outlining the strengths and weakness of uints?
20090118 22:34:14< Canageek> yep that works
20090118 22:34:15< Canageek> thanks
20090118 22:37:39< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: you can login with different capitalization than with your forum account
20090118 22:37:49< Ivanovic> that is: the mp server is case sensitive, the forums are not
20090118 22:38:07 * Ivanovic just changed the account of YogiHH as requested
20090118 22:38:48< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: I was asking about the whitespace
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20090118 22:39:05< Soliton> i think we'll make the mp server the same way.
20090118 22:39:05< Shadow_Master> is MP Shadow_Master == forum 'Shadow Master' ?
20090118 22:39:12< Soliton> no.
20090118 22:39:29< Shadow_Master> okay, then in the  future I'll have to login as ShikadiLord or something :-/
20090118 22:42:41< Canageek> Hey Dragons!
20090118 22:42:48< Canageek> What campain is he in?
20090118 22:43:16< Shadow_Master> SoF and TRoW.
20090118 22:43:32< Canageek> ah
20090118 22:43:43< Canageek> I'm starting at the top of the list and working donw
20090118 22:43:55< Canageek> I just finished HttT
20090118 22:44:08< Shadow_Master> grep -R 'Fire Dragon' /usr/share/wesnoth/data/campaigns
20090118 22:44:49< boucman> darn
20090118 22:44:53< Shadow_Master> (do not ask us why there's one in a disabled NR scenario; probably nobody knows)
20090118 22:44:54< boucman> Baufo's gone..
20090118 22:45:08< CIA-6> ivanovic * r32225 /trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): updated Slovak translation
20090118 22:45:30< Canageek> Shadow_Master: This is my windows box, sorry
20090118 22:46:20< Shadow_Master> I'm sure there's a Windows equivalent for it!
20090118 22:46:36< Shadow_Master> but since I have not used Windows for two years, I cannot recall what it was.
20090118 22:47:14< Shadow_Master> um, seriously ESR_ what will become of NR?
20090118 22:47:42< Shadow_Master> the disabled branch is a nice source of unused translatable strings.
20090118 22:47:51< ESR_> Shadow_Master: Is there some reason to think NR is in dire jeopardy?
20090118 22:48:16< Canageek> Shadow_Master: There probably is, but I don't bother learning windows command line commands becuse they suck so much
20090118 22:48:28< ESR_> Someday somoene will finish thaat disabled branch Perhaps I will.
20090118 22:48:52< loonycyborg> Canageek: Total Commander has a nice search command :)
20090118 22:49:02< Canageek> I keep hearing about that
20090118 22:49:20< Canageek> I keep meaning to try it
20090118 22:49:32< Canageek> as I found that I wind up using 7-zip for file managment
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20090118 22:59:22< Shadow_Master> does anyone think that having a regular expression-based WML variable manipulator would be a good idea for 1.8 ?
20090118 22:59:25< Shadow_Master> :p
20090118 23:01:22< Shadow_Master> ESR_: Taurus won't return, you know that already right?
20090118 23:01:36< Shadow_Master> ESR_: who else would be interested in fixing NR's undead branch?
20090118 23:02:05< loonycyborg> I guess someone who can play NR to completion..
20090118 23:02:30< ESR_> Shadow_Master: We don't know yet who might want to fix it. We only know it will never be fixed if it is deleted. 
20090118 23:02:30< Shadow_Master> and who is fluent in English and WML.
20090118 23:08:43< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: what is the status of the mac binary?
20090118 23:08:48< Ivanovic> (for 1.5.8 that is)
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20090118 23:17:33< kitty_> hi
20090118 23:18:41< boucman> hey kitty_
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20090118 23:19:26< boucman> thx for replying on the mermaid thread, the only way to avoid a flame fest is to have someone with authority sayin "this is our policy and that's it"
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20090118 23:20:12< kitty_> :) i hope i got that right - is there a  written "policy" anywhre?
20090118 23:20:55< boucman> kitty_: not really, there is a general floating convention, but no hard defined policy
20090118 23:21:20< boucman> you might want to make sure with Jetryl when he's around, be we havn't seen him last week
20090118 23:21:29< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: 12 minutes till it's uploaded
20090118 23:21:55< boucman> (and I'd like to direct him on all the terrain work going on, we have all sorts of new contributors, and if they don't get praise/commits they might stop working)
20090118 23:22:03< kitty_> boucman: ok, floating convention sounds good ;) and of course i'll check with jet when he shows up nect time
20090118 23:23:14< kitty_> boucman: yeah - just too less time... i'll try for the portrait part, but i have no competence in terrain and that stuff....
20090118 23:23:38< crimson_penguin> hei kitty_ 
20090118 23:23:49< kitty_> hi crimson_penguin 
20090118 23:24:13< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: oh, 14 minutes now - but it's 93%, anyway
20090118 23:24:47< thespaceinvader> hi kitty_
20090118 23:25:10< kitty_> hi thespaceinvader :)
20090118 23:25:32< Ivanovic> hi kitty_
20090118 23:25:41< Ivanovic> kitty_: 1.5.8 is out and i got a request for you:
20090118 23:25:59< kitty_> Ivanovic - what?
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20090118 23:26:22< Ivanovic> please start the campaign "an orcish incursion"
20090118 23:26:45< Ivanovic> IMO it looks strange that erlornas is placed on the right where "normally" every unit is shown on the left
20090118 23:26:51< kitty_> in 1.5.7?
20090118 23:26:55< Ivanovic> 1.5.8
20090118 23:27:04< zookeeper> hey, kitty_
20090118 23:27:06< Ivanovic> kitty_: crimson_penguin is currently uploading the mac binary
20090118 23:27:27< zookeeper> i was meaning to ask, is there a reason why the elvish lord should be right-side only? i don't see anything right-side-specific in the portrait.
20090118 23:27:33< kitty_> Ivanovic:  ok, i'll wait until it is up and tell you what is think, then
20090118 23:27:39< Ivanovic> basically it is *brand new* and the new dialogs should work *a lot* better
20090118 23:27:46< Ivanovic> great
20090118 23:28:38< kitty_> zookeeper: hi and i dunno something just bothers me about his face when mirrored...
20090118 23:29:17< kitty_> Ivanovic: mordante told me that the right side and custom portraits work now :)
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20090118 23:39:07< Turuk_> Today is just one of those days
20090118 23:42:35< zookeeper> i'm not sure what to think of the left-only or right-only rules really.
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20090118 23:43:54< kitty_> zookeeper: then paint portraits that all look good for both sides
20090118 23:43:55< zookeeper> it's great if the portrait can appear either on the left or right so authors could have dialogue appear a bit more like a conversation with the speakers on alternate sides, but having some portraits not obey that would be weird
20090118 23:43:59< zookeeper> :P
20090118 23:45:36< kitty_> yeah, all mirror-able would be perfect. but we don't have those and i don't feel like replacing the ones with problems (i'd rather do more new ones) right now or rejecting lordbobs ironmauler....
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20090118 23:47:39< crimson_penguin> done; adding to SF
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20090118 23:48:57< crimson_penguin> added
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20090118 23:49:03< crimson_penguin> kitty_: it's up
20090118 23:49:36< kitty_> crimson_penguin: uhm, sorry to be stupid again - but where?
20090118 23:50:05< crimson_penguin> not stupid, it's not really linked to from anywhere other than sourceforge :) just a second
20090118 23:50:07< Shadow_Master> SF.net, let me get a link
20090118 23:50:32< crimson_penguin> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wesnoth/Wesnoth_1.5.8.dmg?use_mirror=
20090118 23:50:39< Shadow_Master> he has better internet than me.
20090118 23:51:01< kitty_> ah - thanks! i'll download...
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20090118 23:52:13< crimson_penguin> I do?
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20090118 23:52:22< crimson_penguin> I've got 40KB down, 20KB up
20090118 23:52:25< crimson_penguin> (B, not b)
20090118 23:53:54< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: yes, you do.
20090118 23:54:04< Shadow_Master> I get around 8 KB down at most
20090118 23:54:30< crimson_penguin> what kinda internet?
20090118 23:54:36< Shadow_Master> WLAN at the signal limit
20090118 23:54:45< Shadow_Master> (long story you don't want to hear)
20090118 23:55:20< kitty_> arg, i just don't get it - i only get errors using crimson_penguin's link :(
20090118 23:55:44< crimson_penguin> Shadow_Master: ahh, I see
20090118 23:55:44< crimson_penguin> kitty_: what kind?
20090118 23:55:55< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: perhaps remove the ?use_mirror=  part
20090118 23:55:58< Shadow_Master> kitty_: ^
20090118 23:56:03< kitty_> An error has been encountered in accessing this page...
20090118 23:56:08 * loonycyborg wonders whether Mac provides wget
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20090118 23:56:33< Jetrel> I have been summoned, I think.
20090118 23:56:44< kitty_> hi Jetrel :)
20090118 23:56:47< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: "Iceweasel has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete."
20090118 23:56:50< Shadow_Master> :(
20090118 23:57:11< Shadow_Master> kitty_ probably has a cached mirror like me, and since it hasn't propagated yet...
20090118 23:57:17< crimson_penguin> https://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?group_id=89495&use_mirror=&filename=Wesnoth_1.5.8.dmg&2402521
20090118 23:57:19< crimson_penguin> how about that?
20090118 23:57:19< Shadow_Master> (mine is the Brazil one)
20090118 23:57:32< kitty_> works :D
20090118 23:58:09< Jetrel> kitty_:  I'll package those three portraits you wanted transparencized right now.
20090118 23:58:16< zookeeper> yo jet
20090118 23:58:18< kitty_> Jetrel: since you are here now...  do you have a stance on the nipple-issue? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=23723&st=0&sk=t&sd=a   and thanks!
20090118 23:58:25< kitty_> and asheviere?
20090118 23:58:27< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: yeah, works for me too
20090118 23:58:28< zookeeper> those three == the UtBS ones?
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20090118 23:58:35< Shadow_Master> but I don't have a mac, I cannot test it
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20090118 23:58:49< Shadow_Master> ;)
20090118 23:59:21< Jetrel> kitty_: asheviere is not mine, but I believe pickslide left a transparent version on the forum, and I think I know where to find it. :)
20090118 23:59:33< kitty_> :)
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