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20090127 00:29:27< teaser> hi, trying to d/l an add-on for 1.4 but get connections errors (1.5 is fine)...
20090127 00:29:51< teaser> ...is the add-on server or 1.4 down or can I access it in some other way?
20090127 00:29:59< teaser> -or
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20090127 00:34:36< Soliton> teaser: try again.
20090127 00:36:05< teaser> Soliton: thanks!
20090127 00:56:19< Soliton> for some reason campaignd had a fatal network error but did not die.
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20090127 01:10:37< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090127 02:11:03< Shadow_Master> wesbot: seen ESR_ 
20090127 02:11:03< wesbot> Shadow_Master: Queried user last spoke 7d 6h ago.  ESR_ is currently here on on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev.
20090127 02:11:28< Shadow_Master> Rhonda: "on on" should be "and on" probably.
20090127 02:11:51< Shadow_Master> ... obviously.
20090127 02:20:15< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32324 /trunk/src/ (pathfind.cpp pathutils.hpp): Indented license header in pathfind.cpp, pathutils.hpp.
20090127 02:20:21< Shadow_Master> fabi: shame on you... LoW is broken
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20090127 02:20:38< Shadow_Master> you commented a  [/event] in  a scenario
20090127 02:22:53< Shadow_Master> fabi: want to fix it?
20090127 02:28:54< CIA-53> shadowmaster * r32325 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/07_Elves_last_stand.cfg: 
20090127 02:28:54< CIA-53> Uncomment a [/event] that is essential for LoW scenario 7 to not break
20090127 02:28:54< CIA-53> the entire campaign.
20090127 02:28:54< CIA-53> Someone commented it accidentally, leaving us with a "missing closing
20090127 02:28:54< CIA-53> tag" error.
20090127 02:28:54< Shadow_Master> nvm
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20090127 02:36:23 * Shadow_Master . O o (always fixing other people's mess-ups)
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20090127 03:13:03< Sapient> PK: thou hast summoned me?
20090127 03:20:35< PK> yar
20090127 03:20:57< PK> XD although not in quite the high and mighty terms as you implied with that statement.
20090127 03:21:15< PK> I was just making sure you hadn't somehow (as unlikely as it sounds) died or left wesnoth (the latter being more likely)
20090127 03:21:34< PK> though, I do have abunch of new junk I have no idea how to do 8D
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20090127 04:20:51< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20090127 09:08:24< wesbot> : 61 bugs, 216 feature requests, 6 patches
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20090127 10:00:53< grzybacz> That MadMax guy is annoying. :E
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20090127 10:46:32< CIA-54> ivanovic * r32326 /trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): updated Italian translation
20090127 10:54:33< grzybacz> Lovely. Gmail started to treat a .po file archived in .tar.gz as an executable and refuses to send it. I guess every email app turns into outlook sooner or later.
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20090127 10:59:21< noy> grzybacz: you mean max2008?
20090127 11:00:55< loonycyborg> grzybacz: Does it mail uncompressed .pos?
20090127 11:01:08< grzybacz> loonycyborg: yes -_-
20090127 11:01:48< loonycyborg> Interesting..
20090127 11:02:20< noy> grzybacz: ?
20090127 11:02:47< grzybacz> noy: erm, yes, my mistake
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20090127 11:03:14< Ivanovic_ontour> grzybacz: uhm, i am also getting updates from the polish maintainer
20090127 11:03:16< noy> yeah I was debating giving him a really terse response to his comment in the kalifa thread
20090127 11:03:27< noy> but settled on a vaguely terse one instead
20090127 11:03:30< Ivanovic_ontour> that is some dude named Zbigniew Banach
20090127 11:03:48< grzybacz> Ivanovic_ontour: we're coordinating
20090127 11:04:01< Ivanovic_ontour> grzybacz: *and* you should also include some info regarding the textdomain the po file is for...
20090127 11:04:03< Ivanovic_ontour> ;)
20090127 11:04:20< grzybacz> Ivanovic_ontour: sorry, it was in the tar which gmail refused to send... wesnoth-tutorial of course.
20090127 11:04:55< CIA-54> ivanovic * r32327 /trunk/po/wesnoth-tutorial/pl.po: updated Polish translation
20090127 11:05:02< grzybacz> Ivanovic_ontour: no anyway, please committ changes from both of us, as we are aware of our changes ;)
20090127 11:05:08< grzybacz> *so anyway
20090127 11:05:34< loonycyborg> Ivanovic_ontour: Would it be appropriate to commit my Gentoo ebuild for wesnoth?
20090127 11:05:46< grzybacz> Next stop - getting in front of Spanish translation, muahah. ;)
20090127 11:06:52< Ivanovic_ontour> loonycyborg: uhm i'd say keep it in the gentoo bugtracker and just link it from the linux downloads page in the wiki
20090127 11:07:02< Ivanovic_ontour> since IMO ebuilds belong in that tracker
20090127 11:07:04 * loonycyborg wants to create packaging/Gentoo in svn so that dir won't be dominated by windows :)
20090127 11:07:11< grzybacz> noy: that's ok. I've just realised that I also read a mildly weird post from MadMax (about adding threads to WML, huh), and that made me confuse the two of them
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20090127 11:09:28< Ivanovic_ontour> grzybacz: and to accomodate my mail filters it would be nice if you had the term wesnoth in the subject
20090127 11:09:52< Ivanovic_ontour> since you are one of the core devs and i do not want *all* of your mails in the polish folder since some might be meant for "whatever"
20090127 11:09:54< Ivanovic_ontour> ;)
20090127 11:10:25< grzybacz> Ivanovic_ontour: ...ok
20090127 11:29:46< Ivanovic_ontour> grzybacz: probably the fastest way to get in front of spanish is to finish two brothers, do anl and the test domain
20090127 11:30:19< Ivanovic_ontour> and complete those "almost done" textdomains
20090127 11:30:27< grzybacz> Ivanovic_ontour: anl will be painful
20090127 11:30:43< Ivanovic_ontour> no, anl is *really* straight forward
20090127 11:30:45< grzybacz> I'm focusing on the almost done ones, low hanging fruits are the best ;)
20090127 11:31:00< grzybacz> bbl
20090127 11:31:09< Ivanovic_ontour> cu
20090127 11:31:13< Ivanovic_ontour> i am off in 15mins, too
20090127 11:41:36< Ivanovic_ontour> okay, off again, cu
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20090127 13:46:53< grzybacz> does the name of a multiplayer map in 1.5 "Eryn Chethu" have any meaning?
20090127 13:49:19< loonycyborg> grzybacz: You're asking because it looks as weird as your nick? :P
20090127 13:50:00< grzybacz> Yes. Contrary to your belief my nick is not a result of /dev/random vomiting :P
20090127 13:50:40< loonycyborg> I bet each letter in it signifies something :)
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20090127 14:21:02< grzybacz> loonycyborg: not really ;)
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20090127 14:49:13< CIA-54> ivanovic * r32328 /trunk/po/wesnoth-multiplayer/pl.po: updated Polish translation
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20090127 16:43:03< zookeeper> so, map_label.cpp:362 would be the place to change to fix the item fogginess defaulting the wrong way?
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20090127 16:59:48< cib_> zookeeper, yes
20090127 17:00:38< zookeeper> cool, i'll try to commit that later..
20090127 17:01:13< cib_> so items not showing when they are under fog is not supposed to be default? :p
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20090127 17:06:06< kthakore> hey anyone here?
20090127 17:06:25< loonycyborg> Yes.
20090127 17:06:31< kthakore> hi loonycyborg 
20090127 17:06:38< loonycyborg> hello kthakore
20090127 17:06:45< kthakore> loonybot, printf("Hi, kthakore");
20090127 17:06:47< loonybot> error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '(' token
20090127 17:06:53< kthakore> whut
20090127 17:07:09< loonycyborg> loonybot, {printf("Hi, kthakore");}
20090127 17:07:13< loonybot> Hi, kthakore
20090127 17:07:14< kthakore> ahhh
20090127 17:07:32< loonycyborg> loonybot, << "Hi, kthakore"
20090127 17:07:33< loonybot> Hi, kthakore
20090127 17:08:05< kthakore> loonycyborg, I am looking for some help with game data types for a design project I am doing
20090127 17:08:14< kthakore> loonycyborg, know who I should ask ?
20090127 17:08:39< loonycyborg> That depends on which data types you're referring to :)
20090127 17:09:24< kthakore> well thats the thing I want to know if I am using the right data types to handle a very unstructured game. Magic: The gathering. maybe u have heard of it
20090127 17:09:54< kthakore> the problem is the card abilities and how they should be handled
20090127 17:10:13< loonycyborg> I've heard of it, but I don't know much about its rules..
20090127 17:10:35< kthakore> loonycyborg, yeah ... its pretty insane
20090127 17:11:12< kthakore> loonycyborg, ummm .... well basically the cards can modify anything in the game
20090127 17:11:53< kthakore> cards have triggered (triggered by some event), acitvate (have to pay some mana) and simple (e.xe damage player 2 lp)
20090127 17:13:18< kthakore> what I did was make a singleton gameData structure all the things that define a unique game (i.e player, cards they have, mana pool, and stack of abilities in play ...
20090127 17:13:21< kthakore> etc ...
20090127 17:13:44< cib_> isn't it like that in most of the "popular" TCGs?
20090127 17:13:54< kthakore> TCGs?
20090127 17:14:01< cib_> trading card games
20090127 17:14:23< kthakore> cib_ yeah probably haven't played those a lot before design project
20090127 17:15:19< kthakore> how would u handle the card abilities ? triggered, activated and simple( which is operation on a target )?
20090127 17:15:33< cib_> sounds interesting.. what exactly is a design project btw.?
20090127 17:16:00< kthakore> shoot self in face with shotgun cause professor has a twisted sense of humor
20090127 17:16:19< kthakore> we are implement this in 4 months
20090127 17:16:21< kthakore> lol
20090127 17:16:40< grzybacz> Singletons are evil.
20090127 17:16:42< kthakore> no 2 months because every SE project MUST do testing
20090127 17:16:53< cib_> =/ wonder if i should still be looking forwards to university =)
20090127 17:17:15< kthakore> grzybacz, what do u recommend then. I know they are but what would be better?
20090127 17:17:19< loonycyborg> With C++ virtual functions. There no problem that can't be solved or caused by virtual functions :P
20090127 17:17:39< kthakore> P.S. we can only use C#
20090127 17:17:41< kthakore> lol
20090127 17:17:47< loonycyborg> grzybacz: I don't think that singletons are evil.
20090127 17:17:59< grzybacz> kthakore: I think that would be a rather long discussion, not quite suited for this channel. ;)
20090127 17:18:06< kthakore> so I am stuck with list of key value list of string and delegates
20090127 17:18:12< loonycyborg> kthakore: Don't waste your time on C# :)
20090127 17:18:15< kthakore> grzybacz, awww...
20090127 17:18:22< grzybacz> loonycyborg: I think they can be overused easily. That makes them evil. ;)
20090127 17:18:28< kthakore> loonycyborg, do u think I would want too
20090127 17:18:49< kthakore> loonycyborg, no choice on the language 
20090127 17:19:00< loonycyborg> grzybacz: Everything can be overused easily :)
20090127 17:19:02< kthakore> loonycyborg, my university is in love with microshaft
20090127 17:19:06< grzybacz> kthakore: seriously, MtG has a rather complicated set of rules and getting a nice model for it is going to take some time
20090127 17:19:23< kthakore> grzybacz, no kidding
20090127 17:19:33< grzybacz> kthakore: no kidding!
20090127 17:19:35< kthakore> grzybacz, I have 3 months is it possible?
20090127 17:19:53< grzybacz> kthakore: I haven't played MtG in a while, but yes, I think so.
20090127 17:20:08< grzybacz> Not that you'll be able to add much polish to it. ;)
20090127 17:20:13< cib_> kthakore: i have no idea of your language and the details of implementing a game from scratch, but i would probably use some sort of game handler class which in turn references modular game descriptor classes
20090127 17:20:28< kthakore> grzybacz, really?? can u plz give this neopythe some pointers (not 0XFFFF) or great master
20090127 17:20:45< grzybacz> kthakore: does it have to be written in C++? ;-p
20090127 17:21:04< kthakore> grzybacz, no only C# not even C++
20090127 17:21:13< grzybacz> k
20090127 17:21:19< kthakore> grzybacz, I would do c if I could with python
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20090127 17:22:14< grzybacz> kthakore: I can talk in a few hours if you want to discuss more in depth, but I bet someone will help you by then ;)
20090127 17:22:15< kthakore> cib_ I can implement anything ( by the years of slavery in microshaft land) just need to get the game modle
20090127 17:22:24< kthakore> thx grzybacz I will be here
20090127 17:22:38< kthakore> I do have a prototype if anyone wants to puke on
20090127 17:22:40< kthakore> lol
20090127 17:22:54< kthakore> the rules are no implement in it though
20090127 17:23:06< grzybacz> kthakore: and I'd rather move to #wesnoth not to spam here :)
20090127 17:23:13< grzybacz> afk
20090127 17:23:13< kthakore> ok
20090127 17:23:17< kthakore> no problem
20090127 17:23:19< kthakore> I will be there
20090127 17:23:19 * loonycyborg doesn't want even to puke on C# :P
20090127 17:23:29< kthakore> loonycyborg, I hear that
20090127 17:23:46< cib_> does the language even matter that much?
20090127 17:23:54< kthakore> the worst part is the enforce design patterns as shackles on us
20090127 17:24:12< kthakore> cib_ C# = code is accepted, anything else atomatic phail
20090127 17:24:42< kthakore> cib_ I can throw in libraries of unmanaged c code and get away with it ... :)
20090127 17:25:02< cib_> that sounds just wrong
20090127 17:25:07< kthakore> cib_ ypu
20090127 17:25:09< kthakore> yup
20090127 17:25:13< cib_> its like school
20090127 17:25:19< kthakore> well come to third year SE 
20090127 17:25:35< cib_> i was hoping to get away from that stuff when going to university.. like theyd actually give me freedom there
20090127 17:25:38< kthakore> cib_, I would love to hear ur ideas though
20090127 17:25:58< zookeeper> cib_, exactly
20090127 17:26:01< kthakore> cib_, there is no freedom like a good open source project, everything else is sackles
20090127 17:26:16< grzybacz> cib_: depends on the university 
20090127 17:26:23< cib_> ok, in #wesnoth
20090127 17:26:36< kthakore> cib_ #wesnoth? for ur help?
20090127 17:26:41< kthakore> lol
20090127 17:26:42< zookeeper> mysteriously that feature has been reversed both times it's been implemented or fiddled with, even though i've always been about as explicit as i possibly can about which ways it should be :x
20090127 17:26:54< cib_> if what i have to say is of any help
20090127 17:27:35< cib_> i reversed it the last time, zookeeper, i just didnt think about default values there
20090127 17:28:02< zookeeper> right
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20090127 17:50:21< CIA-54> zookeeper * r32329 /trunk/src/map_label.cpp: Reversed the default value of visible_in_fog=.
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20090127 19:13:37< Shadow_Master> <zookeeper> random drips of water and some rock rolling sounds with a lot of reverb, doesn't sound too hard
20090127 19:13:42< Shadow_Master> <zookeeper> ok, but i'm not going to do that now, so please pester me about that daily for the next week or so and you might get them
20090127 19:13:42< zookeeper> yeah yeah
20090127 19:13:45< Shadow_Master> :)
20090127 19:13:49< zookeeper> i know, i know
20090127 19:18:21< Shadow_Master> Mordante: the Sky Drake *has* a [standing_anim]. Hint: a macro.
20090127 19:18:41< Shadow_Master> Mordante: and, have you checked how LordBob's pikeman portrait looks in-game against other portraits
20090127 19:18:43< Shadow_Master> ?
20090127 19:21:43< zookeeper> why should he have?
20090127 19:22:23< zookeeper> there's a couple of whitish pixels along the pike shaft
20090127 19:22:40< zookeeper> or does it get downscaled?
20090127 19:23:19< Shadow_Master> downscaled, yep
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20090127 19:23:25< Shadow_Master> all due to the pike
20090127 19:23:55< Shadow_Master> try in the test scenario...
20090127 19:24:58< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32330 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Mark some std::string objects as const.
20090127 19:25:51< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32331 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 
20090127 19:25:51< CIA-54> The [item] overlay mechanism was carrying around a reference to a const
20090127 19:25:51< CIA-54> std::string object. This commit replaces that with timely conversion to
20090127 19:25:51< CIA-54> an integral type (bool).
20090127 19:25:51< CIA-54> This commit also fixes visible_in_fog=yes items becoming invisible under
20090127 19:25:52< CIA-54> fog upon saved game loading; apparently patch #1101 was inconsistently
20090127 19:25:56< CIA-54> using a "fogged" attribute in a place, and "visible_in_fog" elsewhere.
20090127 19:27:34< zookeeper> awesome.
20090127 19:29:26< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32332 /trunk/ (changelog src/game_events.cpp src/playsingle_controller.cpp): 
20090127 19:29:26< CIA-54> Make the [item] visible_in_fog= attribute default to 'yes' instead of
20090127 19:29:26< CIA-54> 'no'.
20090127 19:29:51< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32333 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: 
20090127 19:29:51< CIA-54> Replace fogged=yes with visible_in_fog=yes for the "Fogged Oasis" label
20090127 19:29:51< CIA-54> in the test scenario.
20090127 19:29:51< CIA-54> Weird, since fogged= was never intended for [label]s. It doesn't convey
20090127 19:29:52< CIA-54> the feature's intention either with that name. The only tags using
20090127 19:29:54< CIA-54> attributes containing "fogged" in them seem to be [sound_source],
20090127 19:29:56< CIA-54> [scroll_to] and [scroll_to_unit] (check_fogged= in all of them).
20090127 19:30:08< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32334 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20090127 19:30:08< CIA-54> Move the unused compass graphics (which belonged to the archaic GUI) to
20090127 19:30:08< CIA-54> the attic tree.
20090127 19:30:24< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32335 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
20090127 19:30:24< CIA-54> Move more archaic GUI graphics to the attic. These are actually staged
20090127 19:30:24< CIA-54> for removal since they are not useful at all nowadays. ;)
20090127 19:30:24< CIA-54> I could not locate the expected "top<direction>-corner.png" form files.
20090127 19:30:31< zookeeper> now i'm seriously starting to think that some kind of preprocessor variable things might be useful for terrain graphics stuff. i mean something which would allow you to, when calling a macro, to insert a value inside it which is incremented each time the macro is called.
20090127 19:30:37< Shadow_Master> ....... and I was wondering whether I should notify LordBob directly, or perhaps it is feasible to make more scaling parameters available to the WML
20090127 19:30:43< zookeeper> (for example)
20090127 19:30:47< Shadow_Master> (cont. Mordante and the portrait)
20090127 19:31:02< zookeeper> (that way the layer incrementions could be done without manually writing all of them down)
20090127 19:31:13< Shadow_Master> um, the preprocessor isn't intended for that kind of job
20090127 19:31:21< Shadow_Master> it is a preprocessor, not a programming language
20090127 19:31:33< zookeeper> wow. i didn't know.
20090127 19:31:57< Shadow_Master> it's just a reminder. That kind of complexity is the bad solution for the problem
20090127 19:32:35< zookeeper> uh. why would the pikeman scale? it's 400x400 like the rest
20090127 19:33:01< zookeeper> or rather, aren't all the other 400x400 ones scaling too then?
20090127 19:34:33< Shadow_Master> the problem is that [terrain_graphics] sucks in general.
20090127 19:34:33< Shadow_Master> I fear that the conversation will be inconsistent by now thanks to my awesome WLAN lag.
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20090127 19:35:12< Shadow_Master_> zookeeper: um, what is your screen resolution?
20090127 19:36:18< Shadow_Master_> his main body looks weird to me. Well then, I'll assume it is just that most people nowadays have >= 1280x1024 capable screens
20090127 19:37:38< Shadow_Master_> wesbot: log 32329
20090127 19:37:42< wesbot> zookeeper * r32329 : Reversed the default value of visible_in_fog=.
20090127 19:37:42< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=32329
20090127 19:37:49< Shadow_Master_> ugh?
20090127 19:38:14< zookeeper> 1280x1024
20090127 19:38:18< zookeeper> ugh.
20090127 19:38:34< Shadow_Master_> okay, you changed the visible_in_fog= default for [label]s only. good
20090127 19:38:43< zookeeper> oops.
20090127 19:39:14< zookeeper> someone lied to me! wanna fix it for real :p?
20090127 19:39:28< Shadow_Master_> what did you think map_label.cpp was for?
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20090127 19:40:05< zookeeper> err, actually no idea. i guess i completely ignored the filename.
20090127 19:40:08< Shadow_Master> I fixed the [item] default in r32332
20090127 19:40:25< Shadow_Master> so I take it the [label] change was  not intended.
20090127 19:40:34< zookeeper> they should both work the same way
20090127 19:41:24< Shadow_Master> then your commit is good.
20090127 19:41:25< zookeeper> i've noticed that lately i commit horrendously little stuff, and half of the time i break something :p
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20090127 19:49:17< Shadow_Master> wesbot: seen fabi
20090127 19:49:17< wesbot> Shadow_Master: The person with the nick fabi last spoke 1d 5h ago.  14h 5m ago was here and on the channels #wesnoth, #wesnoth-de and #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)
20090127 19:49:52< Shadow_Master> one day? wesbot is out of sync thanks to that awesome netsplit
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20090127 19:58:37< silene> hi
20090127 19:58:43< Soliton> hello
20090127 19:58:46< Shadow_Master> hi silene 
20090127 19:59:03< grzywacz> hey
20090127 19:59:04< Shadow_Master> grzywacz: so you want to beat me in the translation race? :)
20090127 19:59:13< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, ah, you've noticed :-p
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20090127 19:59:33< Shadow_Master> your team already won. You are more people than us
20090127 19:59:41< grzywacz> Baufo, does the mysql (?) api that server.cpp uses support parametrized queries?
20090127 19:59:53< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, you can try harder. ;-)
20090127 20:00:04< grzywacz> It's always quality vs quantity!
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20090127 20:01:38< Shadow_Master_> I suppose so. The message of that "newage" guy in Ideas doesn't tell me good news about the job of our 1-man-and-a-half team
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20090127 20:01:57< Shadow_Master> although I may be as well overestimating the words of what seems to be a troll.
20090127 20:02:28< grzywacz> could be, trolls happen in the translation department as well ;)
20090127 20:02:55< silene> who is responsible for granting svn access these days?
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20090127 20:03:32< Shadow_Master> silene: Ivanovic 
20090127 20:04:09< Shadow_Master> at least in my time he asked us to use the Gna interface to "apply" before he could grant us access, though
20090127 20:06:08< silene> found it, thanks
20090127 20:08:40< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32336 /trunk/changelog: Document zookeeper's r32329 in the changelog.
20090127 20:08:50< Baufo> grzybacz, yes I think it does
20090127 20:08:50 * Shadow_Master gives zookeeper a chocolate for his second (third?) C++ commit
20090127 20:10:39< grzywacz> Baufo, wouldn't it be more reasonable to use it instead of building queries by string concatenation like "select blahblah from blah where blahh = " + username + ";"?
20090127 20:10:41< Shadow_Master> god, the [fire_event] [*_unit] tags don't use Standard Unit Filters.
20090127 20:10:52< Shadow_Master> Sapient, zookeeper: do you think that should be fixed?
20090127 20:11:30< Baufo> grzybacz, I suppose so
20090127 20:12:06< Shadow_Master> wesbot: seen boucman
20090127 20:12:06< wesbot> Shadow_Master: The person with the nick boucman last spoke 20h 59m ago.  20h 3m ago they left with the message: Remote closed the connection
20090127 20:13:14< Shadow_Master> boucman: would it be possible to make [animate_unit][animate] , for example, cause the same red tint effect at the "middle" of a defense animation when hit=kill or hit=hit, just like it normally does during real fighting?
20090127 20:14:05< grzywacz> Baufo, ok...
20090127 20:17:26< Shadow_Master> "An error due to possible invalid WML occured"... is this correct English? Shouldn't it be "possibly" or I am foobar'd as usual?
20090127 20:18:29< Shadow_Master> wesbot: bug 12906
20090127 20:18:30< wesbot> Bug #12906  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20090127 20:18:30< wesbot> Summary: The main gui doesn't fit well with 1280x1024.
20090127 20:18:30< wesbot> Original submission: The main gui doesn't fit well with 1280x1024.
20090127 20:18:33< wesbot> nd button panels are located like 1024x768.
20090127 20:18:36< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?12906
20090127 20:18:38< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/bugs/download.php?file_id=5215
20090127 20:18:41< Soliton> possibly sounds good.
20090127 20:18:43< silene> yes possibly, and occurred with 2 r
20090127 20:19:02< Shadow_Master> and a two liner bug report that I don't really understand.
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20090127 20:20:05< silene> take a look at the screenshot, it should be quite obvious
20090127 20:20:39< Shadow_Master> oops, I tend not to see those when nobody mentions an attachment in the report
20090127 20:21:11< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, sure it should be fixed. i bet sapient had some kind of a reason to do it the way he did for now, though.
20090127 20:21:28< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: did he really implement [fire_event]?
20090127 20:21:40< Shadow_Master> "ill-conceived feature" were his words about it.
20090127 20:21:56< zookeeper> i thought he did. i don't know.
20090127 20:22:35< Shadow_Master> I'll wait for his opinion anyway, in case he has a better idea on how to handle the multiple-units SUF or recall-list SUF cases
20090127 20:24:16< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32337 /trunk/src/wml_exception.cpp: 
20090127 20:24:16< CIA-54> Replace "An error due to possible invalid WML occured" with "An error
20090127 20:24:16< CIA-54> due to possibly invalid WML occurred" in a translatable string.
20090127 20:24:16< CIA-54> (String-freeze melt.)
20090127 20:26:03< silene> hmm... long time ago, i was against these obscure messages being translatable, because it was leading to quite confusing bug-reports
20090127 20:26:42< Shadow_Master> it also includes a "When reporting the bug please include the following error message:" line
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20090127 20:27:35< silene> you mean both the translated and untranslated messages are displayed? that's nice
20090127 20:30:12< Shadow_Master> apparently, yep.
20090127 20:33:10< Shadow_Master> YogiHH: around?
20090127 20:33:16< YogiHH> yes
20090127 20:33:18< Shadow_Master> YogiHH: the 1.4.7 fix to corrupted replays does not require extra data to be stored in the replay files (saved games)?
20090127 20:34:11< YogiHH> it requires copying the player section from a normal savegame into the replay. Manually with a text editor.
20090127 20:34:41< Shadow_Master> ah.
20090127 20:35:12< Shadow_Master> I didn't notice that part while forward-porting it
20090127 20:35:55< YogiHH> it is only to fix pre 1.4.7 replays
20090127 20:36:31< Shadow_Master> right.
20090127 20:38:17< Ivanovic> hi
20090127 20:38:45< Ivanovic> wow, silene, long time no seen...
20090127 20:39:07< Shadow_Master> static const t_string default_val("No description available"); <- wha? (unit_types.cpp : 957)
20090127 20:39:15< Shadow_Master> YogiHH: do you know anything about that? is it supposed to be translatable?
20090127 20:39:30 * YogiHH checks
20090127 20:40:00< Shadow_Master> I am too lazy to check where it is used and I'm just hunting for unsafe use of t_string
20090127 20:40:05 * grzywacz pokes Ivanovic
20090127 20:40:07< Ivanovic> grzywacz: uhm, could you please try to make sure that i don't get 10 updates for the polish translation per day?
20090127 20:40:22< Ivanovic> silene: in you are
20090127 20:40:27< grzywacz> Ivanovic, I can consider that, yes.
20090127 20:40:38< Ivanovic> grzywacz: you know, i prefer "lovely big" tarballs
20090127 20:40:40< Ivanovic> ;)
20090127 20:40:43< grzywacz> Ivanovic, or you can teach me the merging art and I'll commit myself
20090127 20:40:50< Shadow_Master> grzywacz: send him two updates per day ;)
20090127 20:41:02< Shadow_Master> he'll eventually force you to merge them yourself
20090127 20:41:09< loonycyborg> grzywacz: This is not matter of teaching :)
20090127 20:41:13< YogiHH> Shadow_Master: sorry no, never seen this before, although i did a couple of things with unit_type
20090127 20:41:25< grzywacz> Ivanovic, it's not like these have been "2 string updates". Most of them brought the domains to almost full completion ;)
20090127 20:41:29< Shadow_Master> let me check then how the string is used in-game.
20090127 20:41:34< grzywacz> loonycyborg, oh?
20090127 20:41:51< YogiHH> Shadow_Master: help probably
20090127 20:42:03< Shadow_Master> yup
20090127 20:42:06< YogiHH> and tooltips
20090127 20:42:15< Ivanovic> grzywacz: depending on where you start this can descibte "just two string updates" as well
20090127 20:42:16< Ivanovic> ;)
20090127 20:42:29< Shadow_Master> I'm just too lazy to mangle my campaign removing a unit's description, switch to Spanish language and test
20090127 20:42:54< silene> Ivanovic: thanks
20090127 20:43:01< loonycyborg> grzywacz: The thing is subtle differences in msgmerge utility can cause its output to be different for you than for ivanovic.
20090127 20:43:06< grzywacz> Ivanovic, fine :p
20090127 20:43:19< Shadow_Master> YogiHH: yep, should be translatable.
20090127 20:43:26< loonycyborg> Consequently, unnecessary changes.
20090127 20:43:33< grzywacz> loonycyborg, that makes me feel that I don't really want to know ;)
20090127 20:43:34< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: I broke the stringfreeze on a string a few minutes ago. I'll do it again ;)
20090127 20:44:21< YogiHH> Ivanovic's revenge will be terrible ;-)
20090127 20:44:40 * Ivanovic goes to fetch his medium size axe
20090127 20:45:05 * grzywacz gets some popcorn
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20090127 20:46:06 * Shadow_Master travels to the future to avoid Ivanovic's wrath; he'll have forgotten in a few minutes
20090127 20:46:36< Ivanovic> no, i will have some food first
20090127 20:47:04< Shadow_Master> now I need to remember... how did I handle the last static t_string case?
20090127 20:47:25< Shadow_Master> ah yeah, alignment_description().
20090127 20:47:44< CIA-54> ivanovic * r32338 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-anl/pl.po wesnoth-test/pl.po): 57th update for the polish translation today
20090127 20:47:50< grzywacz> Ivanovic, thankee!
20090127 20:48:01< grzywacz> :D
20090127 20:48:15< Shadow_Master> no no no! this unit_type::unit_description() is foobarred!
20090127 20:48:31< Shadow_Master> what was the deal about not using t_string references? :(
20090127 20:49:37< Shadow_Master> and um... didn't someone agree with me to add a warning in tstring.hpp? Can't find it.
20090127 20:51:43< Shadow_Master> this is a disaster... I cannot get away without a static t_string...
20090127 20:52:01< YogiHH> loonycyborg: can you help with debugging issues on windows?
20090127 20:53:02< Shadow_Master> unless I make it a const object return value, not a const object-by-reference.
20090127 20:53:17< YogiHH> i use gcc + gdb
20090127 20:54:04< YogiHH> since some time, whenever i use gdb and enter a game, i have to click away a gazillion sigtraps, before i get somewhere
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20090127 20:54:19 * Shadow_Master . O o (gets away with a non-const object return value)
20090127 20:54:21< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, that should be fine
20090127 20:54:42< Mordante> hi
20090127 20:54:55< YogiHH> i tried to search for that and i found that this could have to do with mixing debug and non-debug libraries
20090127 20:55:00< YogiHH> hi Mordante
20090127 20:55:06< Mordante> hi YogiHH 
20090127 20:55:33< Shadow_Master> er, let's make it a const anyway ;)
20090127 20:55:43< YogiHH> loonycyborg: any other idea? And if no, do you use a specific set of debug libraries to build for gdb?
20090127 20:56:48< Shadow_Master> hi Mordante 
20090127 20:56:55< Mordante> hi Shadow_Master 
20090127 20:57:36< Shadow_Master> Mordante: who should take over https://gna.org/bugs/?12906 ?
20090127 20:58:23< loonycyborg> YogiHH: I don't remember whether I ever compiled a debug version of wesnoth on windows.
20090127 20:58:58< Mordante> Shadow_Master well I'd say postpone until after 1.6, I'll be changing the titlescreen after that
20090127 20:59:18< loonycyborg> Though I compiled debug version of silvertree and was able to debug it using the same libraries as for release version.
20090127 20:59:39< Mordante> loonycyborg I've no objection against ebuild files
20090127 20:59:43< Shadow_Master> Mordante: can you post that there for me ? :)
20090127 20:59:58< Mordante> yes will do so after reading the log
20090127 21:00:06< loonycyborg> Mordante: I've already posted it on Gentoo's bugzilla.
20090127 21:00:14< Shadow_Master> should I also postpone the obvious button length problems caused by the Spanish translation, amongst others?
20090127 21:00:43< Mordante> bug number?
20090127 21:00:55< Shadow_Master> none in particular yet.
20090127 21:01:21< Mordante> would be best to file it postpone and assign it to me so it won't get forgotten
20090127 21:01:35< Mordante> (please with screenshot)
20090127 21:01:47< Shadow_Master> yep
20090127 21:02:00< grzywacz> hrmpf, for some reason scons insists on recompiling .cpps I have not changed. I wonder if fast=true is at fault here...
20090127 21:02:00< Mordante> I haven't noticed that problem, seems the German translation isn't that verbose
20090127 21:02:50< Shadow_Master> it isn't a verbosity issue.
20090127 21:03:00< Shadow_Master> ;)
20090127 21:03:51< Shadow_Master> Mordante: apparently in german you can save whitespaces by "glueing" words
20090127 21:03:58< Shadow_Master> "Karteneditor"
20090127 21:04:17< Mordante> oh yes I've seen worse ;-)
20090127 21:04:30< Shadow_Master> "Dansk" and "Spanish" suffer from the issue
20090127 21:04:32< loonycyborg> This is more likely to produce monster words that won't fit on buttons :)
20090127 21:04:36< Shadow_Master> I guess the first is "Danish"
20090127 21:04:45< Mordante> the funny fact is that some word in Dutch isn't written together in German :-)
20090127 21:06:59< loonycyborg> In "dansk" translation there is one such word :)
20090127 21:07:40< Shadow_Master> Mordante: and, about the unit sprites being "above" the new message boxes, I noticed that you are doing experimental stuff with panels so I guess there was no need for me to notify you or tell you how to reproduce
20090127 21:08:02< Shadow_Master> but if you needed, just send a portrait-less unit to the "dialog" hex in the test scenario
20090127 21:08:08< loonycyborg> And if I switch to some other language there's a drawing artefact left after the button with that monster word/
20090127 21:08:29< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: that's wwhat I am filing now
20090127 21:08:38< Mordante> Shadow_Master I no longer need the Sky Drake I reproduced with a wolf rider
20090127 21:09:08< Mordante> Shadow_Master I'll test the dialog after compilation
20090127 21:09:38< loonycyborg> Be sure to do that with small resolution :)
20090127 21:09:40< Shadow_Master> yeah, I just wanted to note that the SD does have a standing_anim :)
20090127 21:10:04< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: um, 1280x768 is enough for the floating sprite in message box bug
20090127 21:10:59< Shadow_Master> in a completely unrelated note, I just noticed that some old GUI dialogs tend to draw their text twice when displayed.
20090127 21:12:01< Shadow_Master> I should probably check that myself
20090127 21:12:10< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: 1280x768? Interesting shape that monitor has..
20090127 21:12:21< grzywacz> Laptops, I guess.
20090127 21:13:28< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: er, meant 1280x800
20090127 21:13:46< Shadow_Master> though the card does offer 1280x768 as a valid mode
20090127 21:13:52< Mordante> which is also an interesting shape ;-)
20090127 21:13:56< loonycyborg> That's even more interesting :)
20090127 21:14:05< Shadow_Master> laptop!
20090127 21:14:21< Mordante> still interesting :-P
20090127 21:14:25< grzywacz> Ohh, come on, drop that 4:3 logic of yours. :P
20090127 21:14:53< loonycyborg> My eeepc has normal 640x480 mode :)
20090127 21:14:55< Shadow_Master> you tell me. It took me some time to get used to it
20090127 21:15:19< Mordante> my eeepc still hasn't arrived :-(
20090127 21:15:22< Shadow_Master> my desktop computer has a 1280x1024 display but I don't dare do anything serious with it until I can afford a new HDD
20090127 21:15:58< grzywacz> 1680x1050... ;-)
20090127 21:16:31< loonycyborg> My monitor can support 1280x1024 too, but I prefer 1024x768 
20090127 21:16:43< Mordante> didn't you have two monitors grzywacz ?
20090127 21:17:03< grzywacz> Mordante, that was a long time ago :)
20090127 21:17:57< grzywacz> But... I could do a dual screen X display with my laptop and get, uhm, 3360x1050 ;>
20090127 21:18:19< Mordante> sounds nice ;-)
20090127 21:18:20< grzywacz> I wonder what Wesnoth would look like on such a beast.
20090127 21:18:31< grzywacz> Maybe I could fill a few UI bugs... ;D
20090127 21:18:51< Shadow_Master> Mordante: filed the text length bug: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12908
20090127 21:19:10< Shadow_Master> It is marked as postponed and has two nice (crushed) JPEGs attached
20090127 21:19:59< Mordante> thanks
20090127 21:20:50< grzywacz> loonycyborg, scons goes nuts with fast=true and recompiles a ton of unnecessary files :)
20090127 21:20:53< Shadow_Master> Mordante: what is that "large-button.png" series in /images/buttons ?
20090127 21:21:14< loonycyborg> grzywacz: For the first time or always?
20090127 21:21:36< grzywacz> loonycyborg, looks like always. I changed one cpp and it recompiled like 20 of them. Not a header.
20090127 21:21:38< Shadow_Master> Mordante: those were added by Jetryl in r30396 (October 2008)
20090127 21:21:53< Mordante> Shadow_Master ask Jetryl ;-)
20090127 21:22:12< Shadow_Master> meh, I thought you had a plan with them.
20090127 21:22:57< loonycyborg> grzywacz: Perhaps you did svn up?
20090127 21:23:04< grzywacz> loonycyborg, nope, no updates
20090127 21:23:32< grzywacz> Mordante, btw., width of that dialog needs some love: http://kolos.math.uni.lodz.pl/~grzywacz/inv.jpg
20090127 21:23:37< Shadow_Master> grzywacz: I commited some changes recently that make everything recompile
20090127 21:23:42< Shadow_Master> game_display.hpp ;)
20090127 21:24:05< Shadow_Master> grzywacz: ugh, that dialog.
20090127 21:24:13< Mordante> grzywacz yes a lot needs love to look nice on larger screens ;-)
20090127 21:24:17< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, I don't feel like updating until I get my stuff stable.
20090127 21:25:03< loonycyborg> grzywacz: What scons version do you have?
20090127 21:25:36< grzywacz> loonycyborg, v1.2.0.r3842
20090127 21:25:39< grzywacz> ;-)
20090127 21:25:56< loonycyborg> Does it compile right now?
20090127 21:26:33< loonycyborg> If not try compiling it again.
20090127 21:27:00< grzywacz> "it"?
20090127 21:27:06< loonycyborg> wesnoth
20090127 21:28:00< loonycyborg> I want to know whether its *really* always causes unnecessary recompiles.
20090127 21:28:16< loonycyborg> s/its/it
20090127 21:29:27< loonycyborg> Otherwise it could be some silly thing like running "scons wesnoth" first time and running just "scons" the second time which causes wesnothd to be compiled.
20090127 21:31:07< grzywacz> loonycyborg, I'm going to observe it. Maybe it was something like that I did yesterday and forgot, but I don't my history...
20090127 21:31:41< Shadow_Master> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=23861 <- color?
20090127 21:31:48< Mordante> Shadow_Master the dialog with the wolf looks oke for me, can you post a screenshot?
20090127 21:31:58< Shadow_Master> awesome, but I don't feel like doing such a change
20090127 21:32:03< loonycyborg> "I don't my history".. Multitasking again? :P
20090127 21:32:05< grzywacz> loonycyborg, what if it failed to build libwesnoth_extras?
20090127 21:32:15< grzywacz> loonycyborg, argh :)
20090127 21:33:02< grzywacz> loonycyborg, funny thing is, I *think* that word but somehow it doesn't get typed. :(
20090127 21:34:24< loonycyborg> [23:31:58] <grzywacz> loonycyborg, what if it failed to build libwesnoth_extras?
20090127 21:34:30< loonycyborg> Then it would terminate :)
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20090127 21:36:56< grzywacz> :\
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20090127 21:37:54< Shadow_Master_> ho
20090127 21:38:02< Shadow_Master_> Mordante:  http://imagebin.org/36900 
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20090127 21:38:47< Mordante> Shadow_Master thanks I think I know what the issue is
20090127 21:38:57< Mordante> I now use the width since I don't know the height
20090127 21:39:10< Mordante> it works good for me since I use a small window
20090127 21:40:01< Mordante> I think I'll disable the vertical centring until I fixed the underlaying problem
20090127 21:43:44< Shadow_Master> Mordante: btw, do you see anything special if you move the Wolf Rider to the "parrot" hex?
20090127 21:43:57< Shadow_Master> I see that the old-style dialog is lacking TC for some weird reason
20090127 21:43:57< grzywacz> What's that "--give--" option? -> http://kolos.math.uni.lodz.pl/~grzywacz/huh.png
20090127 21:44:35< Shadow_Master> grzywacz: good question.
20090127 21:44:43< Shadow_Master> one of the MP fans may know about it.
20090127 21:44:55< grzywacz> Dragonking? ;-)
20090127 21:45:03< Shadow_Master> it is translatable btw.
20090127 21:45:21< Shadow_Master> shame on you for not doing it.
20090127 21:45:23< Dragonking> No clue
20090127 21:45:30< loonycyborg> grzywacz: That's a phony option :)
20090127 21:45:34< Ivanovic> Dragonking: just that i don't get it wrong: when is your plane meant to arrive in dortmund?
20090127 21:45:47< Dragonking> Ivanovic, sec
20090127 21:46:06< Soliton> grzywacz: just a marker.
20090127 21:46:09< Ivanovic> best, to be sure, would probably be a short mail incl flight number and time of arrival
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20090127 21:46:53< loonycyborg> Soliton: But what does "give" mean?
20090127 21:46:58< grzywacz> Soliton, a marker? It's selectable and looks rather ugly :)
20090127 21:47:04< Dragonking> Ivanovic, 13:45
20090127 21:47:05< loonycyborg> What are you giving and to whom? :)
20090127 21:47:13< grzywacz> exactly...
20090127 21:47:16< Soliton> a side to a player.
20090127 21:47:16< Shadow_Master> "give a side's control to a player?"
20090127 21:47:52< grzywacz> To what player...?
20090127 21:47:59< Soliton> grzywacz!
20090127 21:48:01< Shadow_Master> the players below in the list I guess
20090127 21:48:09< Shadow_Master> exactly ;)
20090127 21:48:20< Dragonking> Ivanovic, It takes off at 12:05 and is in dortmud at 13:45
20090127 21:48:29< grzywacz> That's broken!
20090127 21:48:36< Soliton> maybe!
20090127 21:48:43< grzywacz> Surely!
20090127 21:48:49< grzywacz> Interface like that should not exist ;)
20090127 21:48:55< Ivanovic> Dragonking: okay
20090127 21:48:59< Soliton> i suppose the idea is that you might confuse player names with other options.
20090127 21:49:03< Shadow_Master> grzywacz: uh?
20090127 21:49:09< Soliton> but i don't really see the point either.
20090127 21:49:19< loonycyborg> Hopefully Modrante's new widgets will provide an alternative to that UI hack :)
20090127 21:49:26< grzywacz> Other options could be made bold or something.
20090127 21:49:31< Shadow_Master> yeah, a nonclickable separator it should be
20090127 21:49:32 * Ivanovic throws the axe at Shadow_Master and goes afk for a while
20090127 21:49:34< grzywacz> A clickable --give-- that does nothing is broken.
20090127 21:49:34< loonycyborg> *Mordante's
20090127 21:49:52< Ivanovic> ha, this was a hit!
20090127 21:49:54 * Shadow_Master struggles to get his head back on his neck.
20090127 21:50:02< Soliton> i wouldn't mind if it was removed.
20090127 21:50:30 * Mordante now understands the need for a medium sized axe ;-)
20090127 21:50:30< Soliton> i can even do it.
20090127 21:50:39< Shadow_Master> in that case I'd title the lower options in the form "Player: grzywacz" (suggestion)
20090127 21:50:41< grzywacz> Soliton, can you try making the default options bold?
20090127 21:50:44< Ivanovic> everyone: what do you think of getting 1.5.9 out on sunday and officially naming it "first beta for 1.6"?
20090127 21:50:53< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: nice!
20090127 21:50:55< Soliton> grzywacz: nope.
20090127 21:51:02< grzywacz> Soliton, k
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20090127 21:51:24< Mordante> Ivanovic sounds like a plan, I will still need some time to do the UI sounds and the final tuning of the dialogs
20090127 21:51:35< Shadow_Master> I take my suggestion back, or I'll have some headaches trying to figure a genderless translation for "Player: $player_name"
20090127 21:51:38< Mordante> no eta available
20090127 21:51:40< zookeeper> Soliton, Mordante, baufo, whoever: the MP dialog needs to contain info on how to register. the newbie can't know that it's tied to the forum accounts.
20090127 21:51:54 * Mordante hids
20090127 21:51:59< Mordante> hides*
20090127 21:52:09< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, does "Player" change its form depending on the following nick in Spanish?
20090127 21:52:14< Shadow_Master> grzywacz: exactly
20090127 21:52:21< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, owww, nasty :)
20090127 21:52:23< Shadow_Master> err.. well, not according to the nick.
20090127 21:52:23 * Soliton points in the general direction of Baufo.
20090127 21:52:34< Shadow_Master> but rather if you know it's a female or male.
20090127 21:52:59< Shadow_Master> probably the same in French.
20090127 21:53:19< grzywacz> According to the nick, then.
20090127 21:54:15< Shadow_Master> well, anyone can call themselves with a female nick and not be a real female.
20090127 21:54:25< Shadow_Master> or the inverse ;9
20090127 21:54:49< Shadow_Master> so, I take back my taking back of my "Player: grzywacz" format suggestion
20090127 21:55:27< Mordante> Shadow_Master yes seems to old stuff doesn't get TC'ed is it a regression?
20090127 21:56:40< Shadow_Master> Mordante: I think so. Or at least, it *should not* be that way
20090127 21:56:50< Shadow_Master> pink is evil.
20090127 21:57:08< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32339 /trunk/src/ (unit_types.cpp unit_types.hpp): 
20090127 21:57:10< CIA-54> Make unit_type::unit_description() deliver const t_string objects (not
20090127 21:57:12< CIA-54> references to them), and a translatable version of the "No description
20090127 21:57:14< CIA-54> available" string if available. Also added a period to that string.
20090127 21:57:16< CIA-54> It was using a non-gettextized static t_string before.
20090127 21:57:18< CIA-54> (String-freeze breaker.)
20090127 21:57:18< Mordante> well I'm rewriting the code as we speak so see not much use in looking into it
20090127 21:57:26< Shadow_Master> ah well ;)
20090127 21:57:41< Mordante> only need to fix a segfault :-/
20090127 21:58:32< Shadow_Master> and avoid recompiling most of Wesnoth due to 32339!
20090127 21:58:34< silene> what is the irc name of "mog"? (i'm a bit unhappy with some "optimizations" of the preprocessor)
20090127 21:58:47< Shadow_Master> silene: mgoe
20090127 21:58:48< Mordante> he's a bit MIA
20090127 21:58:56< Shadow_Master> he's not been around for half a year or so.
20090127 21:59:25< loonycyborg> silene: I see him online on the forum sometimes.
20090127 21:59:32< loonycyborg> So you can PM him.
20090127 22:07:30< Shadow_Master> wesnoth: src/gui/widgets/event_handler.cpp:288: void gui2::tevent_handler::mouse_capture(bool): Assertion `mouse_focus_' failed.
20090127 22:07:41< Shadow_Master> if I push the "Login" button in the MP password dialog too many times.
20090127 22:07:44< Shadow_Master> :p
20090127 22:07:49< YogiHH> cib_: are you on windows?
20090127 22:08:15< Shadow_Master> Mordante: ideas? or should I bug Baufo instead?
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20090127 22:12:50< Shadow_Master> what? "shadowmaster" is taken?
20090127 22:13:19< Shadow_Master> :|
20090127 22:14:26< Mordante> Shadow_Master looks like a bug in my code
20090127 22:14:47< Shadow_Master> Mordante: it happens if I press the button repeteadly without moving the mouse pointer out of its rectangle
20090127 22:15:26 * YogiHH summons Sapient
20090127 22:16:40< Mordante> Shadow_Master I'll try to look at it later
20090127 22:16:43< Mordante> I'm off now
20090127 22:16:59< Shadow_Master> k, night
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20090127 22:22:01< Shadow_Master> I hate Northern Rebirth :<
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20090127 22:27:34 * Shadow_Master takes revenge on Ivanovic by sending him a set of translation updates
20090127 22:30:23 * Ivanovic ignores them for a while since he heads off to bed now
20090127 22:30:31< Ivanovic> n8
20090127 22:30:39< Shadow_Master> then you'll suffer the wrath of "updates over updates" ;)
20090127 22:30:56< Shadow_Master> that is, hopefully I can complete wesnoth-nr *today* :)
20090127 22:31:15< Shadow_Master> with that, and wesnoth-manual, the translation will be complete :>
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20090127 22:36:27< Shadow_Master> um, do I need to git archive the 1.5.7 release revision to take the screenshots? :(
20090127 22:36:37< Shadow_Master> pah.
20090127 22:37:02< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: have you read the log where i pointed you to the "howto manual images" thingie?
20090127 22:39:43< Shadow_Master> yes
20090127 22:40:14< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: but you assume all translators use released versions! 
20090127 22:40:34< Ivanovic> of course i do!
20090127 22:40:47< Ivanovic> the "+svn" part looks strange in screenshots
20090127 22:40:48< Shadow_Master> so I need to use 1.5.7 for the screenshots?
20090127 22:41:13< Shadow_Master> I can't even use 1.5.8? :(
20090127 22:41:15< Ivanovic> it is just the "+svn" thingie behind the version number that looks really off in the manual for "normal users"
20090127 22:41:43< Ivanovic> you can just edit out showing the "+svn" behind the version string and you are *done*
20090127 22:41:55< Shadow_Master> ah well ^^
20090127 22:42:12< Ivanovic> looks like i hit your ears with my axe
20090127 22:45:56< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32340 /trunk/doc/manual/images/es/ (. recruit-1.5.7.jpg): 
20090127 22:45:56< CIA-54> First "1.5.7" (ish) translated screenshot for the wesnoth-manual
20090127 22:45:56< CIA-54> textdomain, "es" locale (Spanish).
20090127 22:45:56< CIA-54> Not used until I get the update from the translation team.
20090127 22:46:04< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: the german screenshot suffers from a text rendering bug.
20090127 22:46:23< Shadow_Master> You may want to take it next time after selecting a different list entry and selecting the first one back again.
20090127 22:47:40< Shadow_Master> you are a liar too, did you know? The "1.5.7" screenshot of the main menu for the German translation has a "+svn" in it
20090127 22:47:48< Shadow_Master> "1.5.6+svn" ;)
20090127 22:47:55< Ivanovic> yeah, and it looks bad...
20090127 22:48:10< Shadow_Master> same with the non-translated one
20090127 22:49:40< Soliton> AI0867: i just updated the git tarball.
20090127 22:50:11< Ivanovic> hey, i never said the original looked good...
20090127 22:50:16< Soliton> looks like it grew by 100MB in size?
20090127 22:50:21< Ivanovic> you can always (try to) do better than me!!!
20090127 22:50:36< Ivanovic> Soliton: not suprising, i commited a 23MB update for images in the turn of the last week
20090127 22:50:53< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: and please implement support for paralization in wesnoth-optipng
20090127 22:51:12< Ivanovic> it really is needed, and if i could make really use of my 4 cores there, it would speed things up considerably
20090127 22:51:37< loonycyborg> Perhpas wesnoth-optipng can be implemented as a Makefile? :)
20090127 22:51:50< Shadow_Master> propably
20090127 22:52:00< Shadow_Master> but I don't really know how to do "paralization".
20090127 22:52:14< loonycyborg> make can do it for you.
20090127 22:52:16< Shadow_Master> should I make it send SIGSTOP to itself for "paralizing" itself?
20090127 22:52:38< loonycyborg> Even if it can't, scons can for sure :)
20090127 22:53:10< loonycyborg> http://makepp.sourceforge.net/ <- or this variant of make :)
20090127 22:53:23< Shadow_Master> did you mean paralyze or parallelize?
20090127 22:53:52< Shadow_Master> (assuming any of them is a real word)
20090127 22:53:58< Ivanovic> parallelize
20090127 22:54:18< Ivanovic> hey, as you might have read, i am already off to bed
20090127 22:54:28< Ivanovic> how do you expect me to type correctly in such a situation?!?
20090127 22:54:32< Ivanovic> ^^
20090127 22:54:33< Shadow_Master> Soliton: is it git gc with the --aggressive switch?
20090127 22:54:48< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: you are a bot!
20090127 22:55:47< Soliton> git gc has an --aggressive switch, yes.
20090127 22:56:01< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: i am not
20090127 22:56:10< Ivanovic> i am a highly sophisticated machine
20090127 22:56:15< loonycyborg> All bots say that :)
20090127 22:56:19< Ivanovic> designed to not upload your pacakges
20090127 22:57:14< Ivanovic> at least not in a reasonable time frame...
20090127 22:58:00< silene> pfff... my computer may be 10x faster than the one I had four years ago, yet wesnoth is still as slow as before to compile... aren't compilers supposed to improve over time too?
20090127 22:58:52< Shadow_Master> Wesnoth's code increases over time
20090127 22:59:03< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32341 /trunk/doc/manual/images/es/main-menu-1.5.7.jpg: 
20090127 22:59:03< CIA-54> Add the main menu screenshot (taken with 1.5.8 but labeled 1.5.7 for
20090127 22:59:03< CIA-54> now) for the spanish translation of the wesnoth-manual textdomain.
20090127 22:59:03< Shadow_Master> (specially on usage of templates, those take some time to compile)
20090127 22:59:06< Soliton> their supposed to maintain constant compile time for your favourite project, i believe.
20090127 22:59:15< Soliton> they're*
20090127 23:00:12< CIA-54> silene * r32342 /trunk/src/serialization/preprocessor.cpp: Removed the error-prone buffer size computation. Started to add some comments to the preprocessor code.
20090127 23:00:43< silene> yay, my first commit in a long time
20090127 23:00:54< Shadow_Master> welcome back!
20090127 23:02:15< Shadow_Master> Mordante: um, the new dialogs may leave trails of the chat text when they need to scroll the map
20090127 23:02:39< Shadow_Master> I'll think later on a good and reliable test case
20090127 23:03:10< Shadow_Master> nice, Wesnoth crashes with a SIGSEGV if I disable a side's droid flag
20090127 23:03:53< Shadow_Master> this probably means I'll have to take the manual's screenshot in the boring fashion
20090127 23:06:39< Shadow_Master> yuck.
20090127 23:09:39< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32343 /trunk/doc/manual/images/es/main-menu-1.5.7.jpg: 
20090127 23:09:39< CIA-54> For some really stupid reason, I took a screenshot of the mainmenu with
20090127 23:09:39< CIA-54> the English language selected instead of Spanish. Fixing that.
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20090127 23:11:40< boucman> hey akk
20090127 23:11:41< boucman> all
20090127 23:11:45< Shadow_Master> hi boucman 
20090127 23:11:46< boucman> Shadow_Master: needed me ?
20090127 23:11:56< Shadow_Master> erm, I think so, I don't remember right now ;)
20090127 23:12:03< boucman> :)
20090127 23:12:36< Shadow_Master> around 20:13 in the logs
20090127 23:14:22< boucman> checking
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20090127 23:15:25< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32344 /trunk/doc/manual/images/es/game-screen-1.5.7.jpg: 
20090127 23:15:25< CIA-54> Add the game-screen-1.5.7.jpg translation to Spanish for the
20090127 23:15:25< CIA-54> wesnoth-manual textdomain.
20090127 23:16:17< boucman> Shadow_Master: the answer is "yes"
20090127 23:16:31< Shadow_Master> that'd be great \o/
20090127 23:16:41< boucman> just call the standard defense animation, with "hit=yes" should do the trick
20090127 23:17:16< Shadow_Master> er... not for me unless I turned color blind from one night to the next morning
20090127 23:17:23< Shadow_Master> let me check again..
20090127 23:17:43< boucman> not sure what you mean
20090127 23:17:50< boucman> you tested and it didn't work ?
20090127 23:18:07< Shadow_Master> I tested and it did work except for the missing "red-tint-when-hit" part
20090127 23:18:24< boucman> hmm
20090127 23:18:32< boucman> Shadow_Master: could we discuss that tomorow ?
20090127 23:18:39< Shadow_Master> okay, no problem
20090127 23:18:46< boucman> it's late here, and I have all sort of thing s to do before bed
20090127 23:18:58< boucman> it's supposed to work, but I'll have to check the details
20090127 23:19:05< Shadow_Master> interesting, the good old red tint has turned into flickering
20090127 23:19:18< Shadow_Master> it is there, but it is too subtle nowadays to notice, even during normal battle :/
20090127 23:19:27< boucman> hmm
20090127 23:19:47< boucman> did you update since yesterday ? what unit are you testing with ?
20090127 23:20:00< Shadow_Master> I am testing with walking corpses and a custom unit that has no standing_anim
20090127 23:20:08< Shadow_Master> go rest, tomorrow I'll lend you the code ;)
20090127 23:20:14< boucman> k
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20090127 23:21:35< Sapient> yo
20090127 23:22:56< Shadow_Master> hi Sapient 
20090127 23:23:32< YogiHH> hi Sapient
20090127 23:23:46< YogiHH> Sapient, you are still on windows, right?
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20090127 23:25:26< Shadow_Master> hi Espreon 
20090127 23:25:29< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32345 /trunk/doc/manual/images/es/right_pane-1.5.7.jpg: 
20090127 23:25:29< CIA-54> Add the right-pane screenshot for the Spanish translation of the
20090127 23:25:29< CIA-54> wesnoth-manual textdomain.
20090127 23:25:37< Espreon> Hello Shadow_Master.
20090127 23:26:00< Shadow_Master> phew, only two more screenshots to go and I'm done
20090127 23:28:42< Shadow_Master> git svn dcommit
20090127 23:28:53< Shadow_Master> ehm, yeah... oops.
20090127 23:29:00< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32346 /trunk/doc/manual/images/es/top_pane-1.5.7.jpg: 
20090127 23:29:00< CIA-54> Add the top panel screenshot for the Spanish translation of the
20090127 23:29:00< CIA-54> wesnoth-manual textdomain.
20090127 23:30:30< Shadow_Master> argh.
20090127 23:30:36< Sapient> hi Yogi
20090127 23:30:41< Sapient> yes I'm on Windows
20090127 23:30:54< Sapient> although I don't know how much longer I will be
20090127 23:31:42 * Shadow_Master does a surgery to his 1.5.6 build...
20090127 23:32:14< Sapient> their digital rights management schemes chafe me
20090127 23:32:17< Shadow_Master> what the hell is the default MP user name in Windows?
20090127 23:32:30< Sapient> Shadow_Master: depends on translation
20090127 23:32:36< Shadow_Master> in Unix it is "whatever your actual username is", so I can't find it
20090127 23:32:56< Sapient> "jugador"
20090127 23:32:57< YogiHH> Sapient: i have difficulties with building a proper debug app (CodeBlocks)
20090127 23:33:22< Sapient> YogiHH: really? mine stopped attaching as well
20090127 23:33:29< Shadow_Master> is that the real text?
20090127 23:33:41< YogiHH> Sapient: whenever i start gdb and enter a game, i get gazillions of sigtraps
20090127 23:33:45< Shadow_Master> ah, turns out that it was in wesnoth-lib...
20090127 23:34:12< Sapient> YogiHH: I don't know what caused it but I have to use gdb directly instead of debugging within Code::Blocks now
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20090127 23:34:46< YogiHH> Sapient: so it doesn't have to do with the libraries?
20090127 23:35:15< Sapient> YogiHH: I haven't experienced the flurry of sigtraps you are describing
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20090127 23:35:45< YogiHH> Sapient: have you got a set of special debug libraries or do you link to the regular ones?
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20090127 23:36:18< Sapient> YogiHH: I only ever build a debug version
20090127 23:36:32< Sapient> I have never built a release version
20090127 23:36:36< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090127 23:36:47< Sapient> yo [Relic]
20090127 23:37:10< YogiHH> Sapient: and do you use libraries (SDL, boost and stuff) that are compiled with debug?
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20090127 23:38:07< [Relic]> :)
20090127 23:38:30< Sapient> YogiHH: not really. I think maybe one or two was built with debug flags
20090127 23:38:46< Sapient> mostly they do not have it
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20090127 23:45:14< Sapient> YogiHH: I can donate some libs if you need any
20090127 23:45:22< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32347 /trunk/doc/manual/images/es/multiplayer-1.5.7.jpg: Add the multiplayer menu screenshot for the Spanish translation of the wesnoth-manual textdomain.
20090127 23:45:35< Sapient> I remember you did me that favor once ;)
20090127 23:45:37< YogiHH> Sapient: yes, that would be nice
20090127 23:46:08< Sapient> what: you need the whole folder?
20090127 23:46:20< Sapient> I'll try to zip it up
20090127 23:46:31< loonycyborg> Must be some system update caused those SIGTRAPs :)
20090127 23:46:54< Sapient> would you like all the /include headers as well?
20090127 23:47:17< YogiHH> Sapient: no, libs should be enough
20090127 23:47:28< Sapient> and dlls I assume
20090127 23:47:34< YogiHH> yes
20090127 23:47:39< Sapient> kk
20090127 23:47:48< Shadow_Master> finally I managed to put all the manual screenshots in svn
20090127 23:48:25< Shadow_Master> aaaaaaargh!
20090127 23:48:39< Shadow_Master> not again... the MP menu screenshot went with "shadowm" in it
20090127 23:49:09< Sapient> YogiHH: is 7z format ok?
20090127 23:49:47< YogiHH> i think so, yes
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20090127 23:52:50< Sapient> YogiHH: you did remember to disable pool alloc, right?
20090127 23:53:14< YogiHH> err - *checking*
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20090127 23:53:44< YogiHH> yes
20090127 23:54:02< loonycyborg> pool alloc wouldn't even compile for you unless you used pthreads-win32
20090127 23:55:14< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32348 /trunk/doc/manual/images/es/multiplayer-1.5.7.jpg: 
20090127 23:55:14< CIA-54> r32347 went with "shadowm" in place of the translated "player" name in
20090127 23:55:14< CIA-54> the MP menu screenshot.
20090127 23:55:14< CIA-54> Fixing that.
20090127 23:55:16< Shadow_Master> I have had enough with you and your filthy manual! D:
20090127 23:55:23< Sapient> I have pthreadsd
20090127 23:55:32< Shadow_Master> I now go to complete the translation of that blasted campaign, Norterh Rebirth.
20090127 23:55:40< Shadow_Master> (and achieve world domination)
20090127 23:55:56< loonycyborg> Sapient: Yes. But YogiHH most likely doesn't :)
20090127 23:56:08< YogiHH> correct
20090127 23:58:15< Sapient> http://wesnoth.happyspork.com/files/
20090127 23:58:24< YogiHH> great, thanks :-)
20090127 23:58:50< Sapient> no problem. keep in mind it won't work if you use the wrong version include files
20090127 23:59:29< loonycyborg> Or gcc with wrong EH..
20090127 23:59:38< Sapient> my boost version is boost_1_34_1
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