--- Log opened Wed Jan 28 00:00:22 2009
20090128 00:00:23< Sapient> my compiler is g++ (GCC) 4.2.1-dw2 (mingw32-2)
20090128 00:00:53< loonycyborg> Sapient: Where did you get gcc 4 with dw2?
20090128 00:01:50< Sapient> I got it with mingw
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20090128 00:02:18< loonycyborg> AFAIK it's sjlj by default..
20090128 00:02:42 * Sapient shrugs
20090128 00:03:06< Sapient> beats me; I don't remember even downloading it
20090128 00:03:24< Sapient> my memory is not that great, honestly
20090128 00:03:33< loonycyborg> :(
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20090128 00:04:32< Sapient> I tend to only remember things if I think they will be important later
20090128 00:05:03< loonycyborg> I can't find any mingw with dw2 on sf..
20090128 00:05:04< Sapient> except for numbers and dates... almost never remember those
20090128 00:05:26< loonycyborg> With the exception of old 3.4.5
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20090128 00:15:02< grzywacz> Sapient, digital restrictions management? ;)
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20090128 00:26:08< Sapient> grzywacz: right
20090128 00:32:11< CIA-54> thespaceinvader * r32349 /trunk/data/core/images/portraits/Philip_Barber/ (dwarf-lord.png transparent/dwarf-lord.png): Revise Dwarf Lord portrait
20090128 00:33:12< CIA-54> thespaceinvader * r32350 /trunk/data/core/images/portraits/Philip_Barber/ (dwarf-fighter.png transparent/dwarf-fighter.png): Revise Dwarf Fighter portrait
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20090128 03:11:39< Sapient> hi PK8
20090128 03:11:57< Sapient> you forgot to mention what version
20090128 03:12:07< Sapient> for your wml questions...
20090128 03:19:36< PK8> ah.
20090128 03:19:50< PK8> I tend to forget everyone uses 1.5
20090128 03:20:43< Sapient> the development version is going to be entering rc soon
20090128 03:21:00< PK8> huh?
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20090128 03:21:09< Sapient> rc=release candidate
20090128 03:21:19< PK8> oh speaking of which
20090128 03:21:28< Sapient> in other words, it's becoming more and more stable
20090128 03:21:31< PK8> I need to figure how to use this stinkin' wmllint
20090128 03:21:50< Sapient> do you have python installed?
20090128 03:21:54< PK8> yeah
20090128 03:21:58< PK8> I believe so.
20090128 03:22:16< Sapient> if you type "python" on the command prompt, does anything happen?
20090128 03:22:22< PK8> haven't tried it
20090128 03:22:29 * Sapient waits
20090128 03:22:53< Shadow_Master> hi
20090128 03:22:53< PK8> I typed python into the thing and it gave me an error
20090128 03:23:11< Sapient> sounds like you don't have python installed then
20090128 03:23:18< PK8> in C:
20090128 03:23:30< PK8> C:\documents and settings\user
20090128 03:23:50< Shadow_Master> C:\> python [enter]
20090128 03:23:57< Shadow_Master> "Python wants to eat you. Run like hell."
20090128 03:24:08< Sapient> lolz
20090128 03:24:47 * Shadow_Master is trying to catch ESR_ attention to have a "talk" with him
20090128 03:24:57< Shadow_Master> but it seeems he was eaten by a Python too.
20090128 03:25:00< PK8> I have the installer on my desktop, which means it has it.
20090128 03:25:12< PK8> cause I always install anything as soon as I get it.
20090128 03:25:27< ESR_> No, I just minutes ago got back from a 5-day road trip.  What's up?
20090128 03:25:32< Shadow_Master> PK8: try checking in the "add/remove programs" thingy whether you installed it or not
20090128 03:25:44< Shadow_Master> ESR_: ah, there are many things I want to discuss with you in #wesnoth-umc-dev
20090128 03:25:47< PK8> right, I never use that, but I'll check
20090128 03:25:48< Shadow_Master> do you have time?
20090128 03:26:18 * PK8 waits while the list is populated
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20090128 03:27:09< Shadow_Master> I can make some time for me if you don't have time right now.
20090128 03:27:11< PK8> Python 2.6 is installed and weighs a good 47 MB of my memory.
20090128 03:27:18< ESR_> Shadow_Master: Actually I'm about to go to dinner.  Should be back in 90 minutes or so.
20090128 03:27:23< PK8> so yes, I did install it
20090128 03:27:29< Shadow_Master> 1 and a half hours? ouch.
20090128 03:27:39< Shadow_Master> okay, let's discuss it tomorrow then
20090128 03:27:42< Sapient> ok, then you need to configure the windows path
20090128 03:27:52< Sapient> so that it can run python
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20090128 03:27:57< PK8> I was gonna ask how the fudge to do that.
20090128 03:28:11< PK8> cause yanno, I'm a windows user and can't tell my bum from a hole in the ground when it comes to cmd
20090128 03:28:27< Shadow_Master> PK8: system properties -> advanced preferences or something
20090128 03:28:33< Shadow_Master> environment variables, modify the system-wide PATH
20090128 03:28:41< Sapient> http://www.imladris.com/Scripts/PythonForWindows.html
20090128 03:28:41< Shadow_Master> I don't know how the path reads like in English.
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20090128 03:29:45< Sapient> PK8: follow that link I sent, in the section "Finding python.exe"
20090128 03:30:27< Sapient> don't worry about the sections after that
20090128 03:31:11< Shadow_Master> hey, it was the same path I mentioned!
20090128 03:31:31< Shadow_Master> I actually translated it back to english correctly.
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20090128 03:35:32< Shadow_Master> argh, I still have a 1/4 of NR left for translating
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20090128 03:36:21< PK8> kay
20090128 03:36:27< PK8> now I typed python into there.
20090128 03:36:34< PK8> and it came up with python stuff.
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20090128 03:41:58< Sapient> ok, now type exit()
20090128 03:42:50< Sapient> then it works like this:  python "path/to/wmllint" "path/to/files"
20090128 03:43:03< Shadow_Master> wesbot: patch 11
20090128 03:43:03< Sapient> you might want to back them up before you run it
20090128 03:43:03< wesbot> Shadow_Master: Are you sure with that number?  Please check again...
20090128 03:43:09< Shadow_Master> er.. oops
20090128 03:43:43< Shadow_Master> wesbot: patch 1101
20090128 03:43:43< PK8> wait my keyboard is dead
20090128 03:43:43< wesbot> Patch #1101  Assigned to: Pauli <suokko>  Status: Done  Priority: 3 - Low
20090128 03:43:46< wesbot> Summary: Fogged labels and overlays
20090128 03:43:49< wesbot> Original submission: This patch tries to address zookeeper's request from here
20090128 03:43:52< wesbot> : https://gna.org/bugs/?10143
20090128 03:43:52< Shadow_Master> no, no, no, no! D:
20090128 03:43:55< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/patch/?1101
20090128 03:43:57< wesbot> Attached file (1st): https://gna.org/patch/download.php?file_id=4773
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20090128 03:44:04< Shadow_Master> that's why I had to fix it so many months later?!
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20090128 03:45:40< Shadow_Master> wesbot: seen BroodKiller
20090128 03:45:40< wesbot> Shadow_Master: The person with the nick BroodKiller last spoke 12d 4h ago.  12d 4h ago they left with the message: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
20090128 03:45:53< Shadow_Master> Aye! We kill him! ^^
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20090128 03:49:11< Shadow_Master> Sapient: do you think you can handle https://gna.org/bugs/?12888 ?
20090128 03:49:33< Shadow_Master> and try to reproduce it in trunk?
20090128 03:49:40< Sapient> shikadibot: bug #12888
20090128 03:49:45< Sapient> wesbot: bug #12888
20090128 03:49:46< wesbot> Bug #12888  Assigned to: None  Status: None  Priority: 5 - Normal
20090128 03:49:46< wesbot> Summary: Can't apply localised strings unless run with admin privileges
20090128 03:49:46< wesbot> Original submission: Wesnoth doesn't react to the language setting in the main
20090128 03:49:49< wesbot>  menu, unless logged in with admin privileges.
20090128 03:49:52< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?12888
20090128 03:49:54 * shikadibot slaps Sapient with a tuna fish
20090128 03:50:12< shikadibot> I wasn't designed to be your toy!
20090128 03:50:14< Sapient> I don't think I have translations working on my build
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20090128 03:50:20< Sapient> so, no
20090128 03:50:27< Shadow_Master> Sapient: :(
20090128 03:50:44< Shadow_Master> I'll have to get loonycyborg as victim then
20090128 03:51:49< Shadow_Master> why is it so difficult for windows users to set up gettext btw?
20090128 03:51:57< Shadow_Master> ^^
20090128 03:52:03< Sapient> it just is
20090128 03:52:30< Sapient> also when you speak English as your native language there's not much motivation
20090128 03:52:51< Shadow_Master> em... and when you do not play MP there's not much motivation to build wesnothd ?
20090128 03:53:04< Shadow_Master> and I still build it every time I build wesnoth
20090128 03:53:23< Sapient> I haven't built wesnothd for a long time
20090128 03:53:30< Sapient> or the editor for that matter
20090128 03:53:38< Shadow_Master> I even build campaignd and the test suite
20090128 03:54:33< Sapient> I have to wait over 20 minutes for a rebuild of wesnoth.exe now, so it's straining the limits of patience and productivity
20090128 03:54:52< Shadow_Master> that way I quickly know when somebody breaks something
20090128 03:54:54< Shadow_Master> oh...
20090128 03:55:10< Sapient> not to mention I can't do anything else on my computer while it's building
20090128 03:55:20< Shadow_Master> there is no sort of object code caching for Windows btw?
20090128 03:55:27< Shadow_Master> e.g. can ccache run there?
20090128 03:55:39< Sapient> I try to avoid full rebuilds of course
20090128 03:55:58< Sapient> if that's what you're asking
20090128 03:56:11< Shadow_Master> and I commited a recipe for a full rebuild today
20090128 03:56:41< Shadow_Master> well, I suppose it doesn't really help unless the preprocessor output really matches.
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20090128 03:57:56< Sapient> one of the most annoying parts is after you commit your changes it gets a svn heading update which triggers another rebuild
20090128 03:58:11< Sapient> eveny though it has only changed a comment section
20090128 03:58:31< Sapient> do I seem to complain a lot? :p
20090128 03:58:33< Shadow_Master> ah.. .I don't get those with git, and even while using svn, I think ccache caught them and skipped the full rebuild
20090128 04:02:13< PK8> good lord
20090128 04:02:23< PK8> it took me that long to fix this meticulously crafted L-key mechanism
20090128 04:02:40< PK8> I swear, if I meet the guy that did the blueprints for this computer, I'm strangling him, with my now sore arms.
20090128 04:03:12< PK8> anywho, I was supposed to exit?
20090128 04:03:29< Shadow_Master> yeah
20090128 04:06:49< Sapient> PK8: try this-- http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=335563#p335563
20090128 04:07:26< PK8> I'll test it out tomorrow
20090128 04:07:33< PK8> right now I'm screwing around with wmllint.
20090128 04:08:38< PK8> how do I make backups?
20090128 04:08:43< Shadow_Master> y'know, I used to *love* Firefox, but now I *hate* it.
20090128 04:08:56< Sapient> backups? copy the folder
20090128 04:09:01< PK8> ah.
20090128 04:09:02< Sapient> past it somewhere safe
20090128 04:09:07< Shadow_Master> I wish there was a web browser that made it so convenient to backup the browser cache
20090128 04:10:59< PK8> so after I quit I put, exactly, with quotes: python "C:\blahblahblah\wmllint" "C:\what I want to wmllint
20090128 04:11:11< Sapient> yes
20090128 04:11:30< Shadow_Master> teh quotes are only required if you have whitespace in the path
20090128 04:11:30< Sapient> it's that simple
20090128 04:11:44< Shadow_Master> so, in windows vista... nvm.
20090128 04:11:47< Sapient> Shadow_Master: stop confusing him :p
20090128 04:11:58< Shadow_Master> \o/
20090128 04:12:11< PK8> please. but yeah "Program Files" always has white space
20090128 04:12:19< PK8> so the only thing I'll ever use this for always has white space.
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20090128 04:13:17< PK8> uhhh.
20090128 04:13:23< PK8> it gave me a huge error
20090128 04:13:34< Sapient> yay
20090128 04:13:47< Sapient> paste it? rafb.net/paste
20090128 04:13:58< PK8> something about "deprecation warning the md5 module is deprecated use hashlib instead"
20090128 04:14:41< Sapient> I wouldn't worry about deprecation warnings
20090128 04:15:06< Sapient> that means ESR_ needs to upgrade his python ;)
20090128 04:15:14< PK8> http://rafb.net/p/RQull315.html
20090128 04:16:03< Sapient> No such file or directory: 'C:\\Program Files\\Wesnoth\\userd
20090128 04:16:03< Sapient> ata\\campaigns\\mercenaries"'
20090128 04:16:18< PK8> yeah. I put it in right though 3=
20090128 04:16:29< PK8> why does it have double \
20090128 04:16:47< Sapient> it's an escape character
20090128 04:16:54< PK8> uuuh
20090128 04:16:56< PK8> Laymans plz.
20090128 04:17:02< Sapient> just ignore it
20090128 04:17:07< Sapient> No such file or directory: 'C:\\Program Files\\Wesnoth\\userd
20090128 04:17:07< Sapient> ata\\campaigns\\mercenaries"'
20090128 04:17:15< PK8> oh.
20090128 04:17:16< Sapient> that's your problem... the path is wrong
20090128 04:17:30< PK8> ah right
20090128 04:17:37< PK8> forgot the extra "data" folder after userdata
20090128 04:18:16< PK8> or not.
20090128 04:19:27< PK8> why does the end have a quote but not the beggining?
20090128 04:19:35< Sapient> there's the rub
20090128 04:19:42< Sapient> try using / instead of \
20090128 04:19:47< PK8> kaay.
20090128 04:19:51< Sapient> it's wackier
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20090128 04:21:26< PK8> okay, now its saying... alot!
20090128 04:21:33< PK8> cannot read this fast.
20090128 04:22:22< PK8> and then what?
20090128 04:22:24< PK8> when its done.
20090128 04:22:35< Sapient> then you fix all the stuff it spit out at you
20090128 04:22:46< PK8> >>
20090128 04:22:51< PK8> most of it I can't see anymore.
20090128 04:22:59< Sapient> you can pipe it to a result file
20090128 04:23:12< PK8> wait, I thought the point of wmllint was it fixed it for you >>
20090128 04:23:15< Sapient> command > result.txt
20090128 04:23:42< AI0867> PK8: it fixes many things, but in some cases it can only detect broken stuff, not fix them
20090128 04:23:53< PK8> D= dang.
20090128 04:24:11< PK8> if it "fixes many things" are said fixed things fixed without telling me?
20090128 04:24:19< Sapient> maybe
20090128 04:24:20< PK8> as in, the non-backed up files are now changed within my wesnoth?
20090128 04:24:42< AI0867> when it fixes something, it makes a backup
20090128 04:24:53< PK8> kay, I'm lost now.
20090128 04:30:03< PK8> and I put in command result.txt and it told me search directory bad
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20090128 04:30:44< PK8> and I have denied access when I just tried again without command.
20090128 04:31:24< Sapient> ~_~
20090128 04:31:41< Sapient> what I mean is you add this: > result.txt
20090128 04:31:47< Sapient> after any command
20090128 04:32:01< Sapient> to pipe the output into a text file
20090128 04:32:34< Sapient> or just increase the scrollback buffer <sigh>
20090128 04:33:46< Sapient> (right click Command Prompt titlebar, properties, layout, screen buffer size, height)
20090128 04:35:41< PK8> I put in 9999 it still won't show everything it pumped out at me.
20090128 04:36:11< Sapient> wow
20090128 04:36:21< PK8> like
20090128 04:36:24< PK8> I know it gave more
20090128 04:36:41< PK8> cause its telling me that abunch of factions have unknown races, but it doesn't have them all.
20090128 04:36:44< Sapient> oh, lol
20090128 04:36:50< PK8> they're all the factions race: "human"
20090128 04:36:55< Sapient> you have to run it again after increasing the buffer size
20090128 04:37:26< Sapient> try up-arrow ;)
20090128 04:38:36< PK8> oh good lord
20090128 04:38:40< PK8> it just gave me a heart attack.
20090128 04:38:47< PK8> with super huge beeps X_X
20090128 04:39:37< PK8> I got to --> python "C:/blahblah/wmllint" "C:/blahblahblah" > result. -- BEEP BEEP OH S@#!
20090128 04:39:43< PK8> scared the pajibbidies outta me.
20090128 04:40:46< PK8> I think I ran out of room.
20090128 04:41:38< PK8> does it have to be "result.txt" or something like "a.txt"
20090128 04:41:43< PK8> I have enough room for "a.txt"
20090128 04:42:49< Sapient> lol
20090128 04:43:08< Sapient> you can rename the file of course
20090128 04:43:20< PK8> and where would it be sent exactly >> not that it matters, I'm searching for it
20090128 04:43:32< Sapient> it will be sent wherever your prompt says you are
20090128 04:43:59< Sapient> try: notepad.exe result
20090128 04:44:06< Sapient> to open it in notepad
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20090128 04:48:00< CIA-54> sapient * r32351 /trunk/data/core/macros/event-utils.cfg: new event-util macro: {CALL_FUNCTION}
20090128 04:48:23< PK8> kay, I give up on this, where exactly is a WML specific changelog so I can go through my 600ish files by hand.
20090128 04:48:45< Sapient> http://changelog.wesnoth.org  ?
20090128 04:48:49< PK8> it'll get done faster this way =P
20090128 04:49:25< Sapient> actually, http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/wesnoth/trunk/changelog
20090128 04:53:26< PK8> kay, from the looks of how long it is, I'll make this priority after homework.
20090128 04:53:52< PK8> anyway, thanks, I'm looking forward to something that lacks intelligence to update umc to the next stable.
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20090128 05:34:50< Sapient> PK7: did you check? wmllint might have already changed that
20090128 05:42:08< PK7> I looked over them
20090128 05:42:16< PK7> in most the stuff it changed from 0-3 files
20090128 05:42:28< PK7> I checked the units, in which every file has 4 things to change.
20090128 05:42:52< PK7> therefore it didn't do it for me. I even looked at the ones it did change, and most of what it did was reformat what was there (into some wierd really spaced out format)
20090128 05:44:35< Sapient> oh wow, we just got slashdotted again
20090128 05:45:24< Sapient> http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/26/0726243
20090128 05:48:37< PK7> still, I'm dreading the idea of handcombing 760ish pages of code >> I don't know how you guys do it.
20090128 05:49:15< PK7> although, there are more than one of you.
20090128 05:49:42< PK7> and half of you are uber code-mages. o-O
20090128 05:52:55< Sapient> well I guess that explains it
20090128 05:52:59< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20090128 05:56:14< Rhonda> http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F26%2F0726243 - read the comments. :)
20090128 06:05:45< Sirp_> Rhonda: cool. :)
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20090128 09:51:34< CIA-54> ivanovic * r32352 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/es.po wesnoth-nr/es.po wesnoth-thot/es.po): updated Spanish translation
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20090128 10:36:46< loonycyborg> 03:55 <Sapient> not to mention I can't do anything else on my computer while it's building
20090128 10:37:40< loonycyborg> Ctrl-alt-del and reduce process priority of your IDE
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20090128 11:09:45< CIA-54> ivanovic * r32353 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth-manual/hu.po wesnoth-utbs/hu.po): updated Hungarian translation
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20090128 13:27:51< Ivanovic> hi
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20090128 13:55:54 * grzybacz prepares translation updates
20090128 13:55:56< grzybacz> ;>
20090128 14:04:41< CIA-54> zookeeper * r32354 /trunk/data/campaigns/ (15 files in 3 dirs): Added some coastal reef to a bunch of campaign maps and made a couple of map edges look better.
20090128 14:05:48< zookeeper> to anyone who might be interested: that's how i'm going to use the reef unless someone has a better idea.
20090128 14:07:18< zookeeper> (to me it's kinda fuzzy what the real-world counterpart of that terrain would be like exactly, so i suppose people's ideas on how it should be used might vary)
20090128 14:10:04< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, i hope you don't mind me saying, but the gryphon rider seems to be such a tricky portrait that i think kitty should do it :P IIRC many people have tried it before, but i don't think anyone came even close to a good one so far.
20090128 14:11:20< thespaceinvader> if she has time, sure
20090128 14:11:39< zookeeper> a good pose, the feathers, cropping and all seems like a really tough thing to pull off well to me.
20090128 14:11:39< thespaceinvader> i think the layout and lines are alright, but colouring the feathers is gonna be a bit of a nightmare
20090128 14:15:53< thespaceinvader> it's the time pressure that will be the kicker, i think - she's really got no time to do anything outside her uni course at present i think
20090128 14:16:56< zookeeper> yeah
20090128 14:17:48< zookeeper> btw, planning on doing the ulfserker?
20090128 14:17:55< thespaceinvader> yeah, I am
20090128 14:18:16< thespaceinvader> remaining portraits for this series are Sentinel, Ulfserker
20090128 14:18:54< thespaceinvader> with plans eventually to fill in Steelclad, stalwart, maybe thunderguard, but those will come after i've been working on something else for a whil
20090128 14:19:18< zookeeper> i have difficulty imagining that the guardsman line would need more than 2...the units are basically identical
20090128 14:19:33< zookeeper> the higher levels just have a couple extra feathers for decoration and that sort of stuff
20090128 14:19:38< thespaceinvader> i know - probably the stalwart will get left out
20090128 14:20:04< thespaceinvader> the major difference on the sentinel will be more elaborate helm, full plate armour and a better quality shield
20090128 14:20:25< zookeeper> (and even just one would already go a long way)
20090128 14:31:20< zookeeper> i'm pretty sure you're gonna hear about that shield angle
20090128 14:31:30< zookeeper> how it's facing directly towards the viewer
20090128 14:41:12< thespaceinvader> mm possibly
20090128 14:57:27< grzybacz> thespaceinvader: I owe you a cookie. Remind me, should we ever meet in person. ;-)
20090128 14:57:52< thespaceinvader> awesome, what for =)?
20090128 15:01:40< grzybacz> thespaceinvader: for the lovely portraits :D
20090128 15:01:47< thespaceinvader> =) thanks
20090128 15:02:00< thespaceinvader> i'd better come to a fosdem sometime then =P
20090128 15:02:17< grzybacz> I'm not coming this year. :)
20090128 15:03:53< thespaceinvader> i'm not...
20090128 15:06:16< grzybacz> Well, but you still *could*. In theory. Anyway, afk.
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20090128 19:34:43< Sapient> yo zookeeper
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20090128 19:37:21< zookeeper> hey sapient
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20090128 19:39:03< zookeeper> Sapient, do you think the cause of the "The maximum text width is less than 1." error could be fixed? it's really irritating and plagues me whenever i use columned message options
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20090128 19:39:53< silene> hi
20090128 19:39:53< zookeeper> here's one example case: http://gna.org/bugs/?12898
20090128 19:40:19< Mordante> hi
20090128 19:40:45< zookeeper> ai_controller.cfg:286 should be the cause
20090128 19:41:49< zookeeper> the "=<0,0,0>-" hack is probably because "= " wouldn't work or would lead to the same error
20090128 19:42:23< Mordante> Sapient how long will you be around?
20090128 19:42:46< zookeeper> so i wonder if it should be "=<0,0,0>- " or something...but in that case i think it sometimes causes the line to wrap even though it otherwise wouldn't.
20090128 19:43:34< Sapient> I am only partially here
20090128 19:43:39< Sapient> a bit busy
20090128 19:43:54< Sapient> wanted to ask what you thought of that new macro, CALL_FUNCTION zookeeper
20090128 19:44:34< Sapient> Mordante: I will be around
20090128 19:44:36< zookeeper> uh, i guess it's kinda fancy. i didn't really understand how the variable stuff works, but i only took a glance
20090128 19:45:12< Mordante> Sapient good, I want to discuss something with you in about half an hour (after eating)
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20090128 19:56:13< Baufo> grzybacz, around?
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20090128 20:08:05< Mordante> Sapient I ran into a problem with a vconfig, if a vconfig is default constructed its cfg_ == NULL which gives problems with operator[] (and other functions)
20090128 20:08:26< Sapient> of course
20090128 20:08:27< Mordante> is there a reason for this behaviour, or will things break if I fix this issue?
20090128 20:08:50< Sapient> you can't retrieve values from a null vconfig
20090128 20:09:40< Mordante> that means you always need to test a vconfig for null() before using it
20090128 20:10:22< Sapient> if you expect that it might be null()
20090128 20:10:53< Sapient> I don't mind if you change the behavior though
20090128 20:11:06< Sapient> it is uncommon to desire a vconfig that does not wrap any config
20090128 20:11:54< Sapient> a null vconfig is not exactly the same thing as a vconfig that wraps an empty config, but I'm not sure how much we care
20090128 20:12:10< zookeeper> Ivanovic, what we really need and what's current missing is instructions for registration somewhere in the MP login UI. that's gonna require 1-2 new strings. sounds like a good case for an exception, right?
20090128 20:12:29< Ivanovic> zookeeper: yes, but please add the strings ASAP
20090128 20:12:32< zookeeper> (since otherwise most new players won't have a clue how the registration is supposed to work, since there's absolutely no info about it anywhere within the game)
20090128 20:12:35< zookeeper> ok, great
20090128 20:12:35< Ivanovic> as in "yesterday would be best"
20090128 20:12:46< zookeeper> right :)
20090128 20:12:51< Ivanovic> even if the strings are not shown ingame, just add them in some file
20090128 20:13:02< Ivanovic> (file of the right textdomain that is)
20090128 20:13:42< Mordante> I was mainly wondering whether it was intended behaviour since it made my code more straightforward
20090128 20:13:53< Mordante> but then my code crashed
20090128 20:14:11< Sapient> I did not introduce this null() concept for vconfig; it predates my changes
20090128 20:14:21< Mordante> but if you don't object I'll change the vconfig
20090128 20:14:22< Sapient> so I'm not overly attached to it
20090128 20:14:50< Mordante> I just wanted to discuss it with you since you kind of maintain that area
20090128 20:15:25< Sapient> Mordante: would it be easier to construct it with( &empty_config, &empty_config) ?
20090128 20:15:49< Sapient> then you would not need to branch on the special case anywhere else
20090128 20:16:18< Mordante> hmm might also be an idea and use that for the default constructor
20090128 20:16:30< Sapient> right
20090128 20:17:13< Sapient> I'm not sure which way would be more efficient, but that way seems simplest
20090128 20:17:31< Sapient> as far as lines of code
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20090128 20:35:56< Baufo> hello grzybacz 
20090128 20:36:49< grzywacz> erm, hey
20090128 20:37:18< Baufo> grzybacz, about the prepared mysql statements:
20090128 20:38:21< Baufo> I looked into it and found that our current API does it in a imho very ugly way 
20090128 20:39:48< Baufo> we currently use the C API because etch only distributes a very outdated version of the C++ one
20090128 20:40:48< Mordante> and lenny?
20090128 20:41:13< Baufo> I plan to move back to the C++ API (which has a far nicer way of preparing statements) once lenny is fully stable
20090128 20:41:45< Mordante> our server already runs lenny so no problem to switch from that point of view
20090128 20:41:46< Baufo> Mordante, I was told that the mp server runs on etch and is not going to be upgraded until lenny is officially released
20090128 20:41:50< Baufo> oh
20090128 20:41:55< Baufo> great!
20090128 20:42:02< Baufo> why did nobody tell me? :)
20090128 20:42:20< Mordante> it got upgraded after the latest crash, when it being reinstalled
20090128 20:42:29< Mordante> why didn't you ask before :-P
20090128 20:43:23< Baufo> well, then I am going to port it right now
20090128 20:43:30< Mordante> :-)
20090128 20:45:22< grzywacz> Baufo, cool :)
20090128 20:48:00< CIA-54> mordante * r32355 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/message.hpp: Add the set_auto_close() member.
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20090128 21:26:05< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090128 21:26:40< grzywacz> hey [Relic]
20090128 21:26:44< CIA-54> zookeeper * r32356 /trunk/data/campaigns/Descent_Into_Darkness/scenarios/ (11_Descent_into_Darkness.cfg 12_Endless_Night.cfg): Changed the foolish hero gold formula from 100*times+100 to 200*times.
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20090128 21:38:42< CIA-54> baufo * r32357 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): going back to the mysql c++ api
20090128 21:42:00< zookeeper> aaaargh. using the recruit-limiting macros can result in recruitment_pattern warnings. -.-
20090128 21:44:55< CIA-54> mordante * r32358 /trunk/src/ (variable.cpp variable.hpp): 
20090128 21:44:55< CIA-54> Add some support for default constructed vconfigs.
20090128 21:44:55< CIA-54> Before a default constructed vconfig would crash on operator[]. This has
20090128 21:44:55< CIA-54> been fixed, some other issues remain, see the @todo.
20090128 21:45:02< Soliton> well, just modify the recruitment_pattern along with the limiting.
20090128 21:45:38< zookeeper> boucman, and defense/attack animations and maybe the hit flash too are somehow out of sync again. you can somewhat clearly see it with melee anims on 0.25x.
20090128 21:45:47< zookeeper> Soliton, but that's tricky to do
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20090128 21:46:16< Soliton> yeah, you can't do it from the macro.
20090128 21:46:42< zookeeper> or it'd beed to be passed the new pattern as an extra argument, but...that's hideous :|
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20090128 21:54:25< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: I sent you a major translation update
20090128 21:54:49< Shadow_Master> may I know btw what is the magic to merge my translation into trunk myself? :)
20090128 21:55:49< loonycyborg> msgmerge po-file pot-file :)
20090128 21:56:10< Shadow_Master> that doesn't do the magic for me
20090128 21:56:52< loonycyborg> Maybe you don't have enough Wizard levels to cast that spell :P
20090128 21:57:08< CIA-54> zookeeper * r32359 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Better graphics for the dwarvish miner.
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20090128 21:58:11< CIA-54> shadowmaster * r32360 /trunk/data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/10a_Stolen_Gold.cfg: 
20090128 21:58:11< CIA-54> Remove some typoed translable strings and replaced them with the
20090128 21:58:11< CIA-54> non-typoed variants.
20090128 21:58:11< CIA-54> (Removes some translations but doesn't add new ones.)
20090128 21:58:44< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: can you check /data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/10a_Stolen_Gold.cfg line 250 ?
20090128 21:59:03< Shadow_Master> there's a [kill] statement in there that won't do anything (of course)
20090128 21:59:14< loonycyborg> Soliton: Would you kindly install mysqlpp on the server? :)
20090128 22:00:16< Shadow_Master> silene: do you plan to stay around for long (in terms of days/months/etc.) ?
20090128 22:00:17< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, what should i do about it?
20090128 22:00:26< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: em, fix it?
20090128 22:00:30< Shadow_Master> :p
20090128 22:00:52< zookeeper> ok, so moving it to the start event then
20090128 22:01:01< Shadow_Master> yeah, be careful with the variable condition
20090128 22:01:07< Shadow_Master> s/start/prestart/ ;)
20090128 22:02:12< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: ah, reminder: sound sources
20090128 22:02:22< Soliton> loonycyborg: done.
20090128 22:02:54< Shadow_Master> water drips, rocks rolling bit lots of reverb...
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20090128 22:06:07< CIA-54> zookeeper * r32361 /trunk/data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/10a_Stolen_Gold.cfg: Fixed some silly WML.
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20090128 22:06:43< Shadow_Master> thanks
20090128 22:06:53 * Shadow_Master now waits for the sounds ;)
20090128 22:07:40< loonycyborg> Interesting.. forum_user_handler compiles on the server but fails for me.
20090128 22:08:00< Ivanovic> grzywacz: your plan was to get in front of the spanish translation "very soon", right?
20090128 22:08:02< CIA-54> ivanovic * r32362 /trunk/po/ (9 files in 9 dirs): updated Spanish translation
20090128 22:08:03 * loonycyborg wonders what mysql++ version is required..
20090128 22:08:11< Shadow_Master> \o/
20090128 22:08:25< Shadow_Master> now what's the magic?
20090128 22:08:42< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: evil vodoo including virgin sacrifices
20090128 22:09:35< Ivanovic> zookeeper: so have you already added the string describing the "login to mp server" stuff?
20090128 22:09:44< Soliton> loonycyborg: i've installed libmysql++3_3.0.0.
20090128 22:09:46< zookeeper> Ivanovic, not yet
20090128 22:09:49< Ivanovic> and please make it in a clean way, that is: directly write something for the manual, too
20090128 22:09:51< grzywacz> Ivanovic, no, just a next stop. ;)
20090128 22:09:54< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: be serious, I want to be able to commit the final updates myself, specially since we'll need a manual regeneration + pot update ;)
20090128 22:10:05< Ivanovic> so that i can run a pot-update tomorrow and declare the hard freeze *very* soon
20090128 22:10:25< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: sorry, but i won't tell you the manual generation stuff because this will mess things up
20090128 22:10:38< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: no, I meant merging the pos
20090128 22:11:34< Ivanovic> for i in wesnoth* ; do cd $i; make $2.po-update; make $2.gmo; cd .. ; done
20090128 22:11:54< Ivanovic> this from po/ in a wesnoth checkout where autogen.sh and configure were run
20090128 22:11:56< Shadow_Master> do I have to have run autogen.sh ?
20090128 22:11:59< Ivanovic> ($2 is the textdomain)
20090128 22:12:10< loonycyborg> scons update-po es :P
20090128 22:12:11< Shadow_Master> oops.
20090128 22:12:14< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: no!
20090128 22:13:01< Shadow_Master> okay, I can do it, thanks a lot
20090128 22:14:19< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: What? You're afraid to be locked in to loonycyborg monoculture? :P
20090128 22:14:24< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: but make 100% sure that every file does compile!!!
20090128 22:14:26< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: the reason is I want to do it the Ivanovic's way
20090128 22:14:26< CIA-54> mordante * r32363 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Dialogs with an input text are converted to the new dialogs.
20090128 22:14:34< Ivanovic> (that is the make LANGCODE.gmo part)
20090128 22:14:38< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: sure!
20090128 22:14:55< CIA-54> mordante * r32364 /trunk/changelog: Fix a typo in the changelog.
20090128 22:15:16< Ivanovic> and do not blame me if you get some weird conflicts...
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20090128 22:15:25< Shadow_Master> svn conflicts?
20090128 22:16:06< Ivanovic> sure, if i commit a pot-update while you got changed files in your rep
20090128 22:16:20< Shadow_Master> I'll make sure that doesn't happen.
20090128 22:16:22< Ivanovic> that is why i work with the file outside copying them over using cp
20090128 22:16:34< Shadow_Master> (you cannot commit while asleep)
20090128 22:16:46< grzywacz> Yes, he can.
20090128 22:16:53< grzywacz> Ivanovic is known for committing during his sleep.
20090128 22:16:58< grzywacz> s/during/in/
20090128 22:17:17< Ivanovic> this is basically my "all the magic in one file" scriptie
20090128 22:17:19< Ivanovic> http://rafb.net/p/lPBiHj36.html
20090128 22:17:32< Shadow_Master> ummm... well, anyway I always do the edits out of the tree, to avoid making my git tree dirty
20090128 22:17:36< Ivanovic> using it to build, run po updates (not the manual updates!) and all the fancy stuff
20090128 22:19:06< Shadow_Master> yo grzywacz  ;)
20090128 22:19:32< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, erm, yo ;p
20090128 22:20:32< CIA-54> mordante * r32365 /trunk/data/gui/default/window/wml_message.cfg: 
20090128 22:20:32< CIA-54> Renamed some labels.
20090128 22:20:32< CIA-54> The new name is already in the po files and is better as the previous version.
20090128 22:20:32< CIA-54> Also the previous version wasn't marked as translatable.
20090128 22:20:36< Ivanovic> grzywacz: not only commiting
20090128 22:20:38< zookeeper> btw, where is mabuse getting some of those sprites from? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=335517#p335517
20090128 22:20:49< Ivanovic> though i think so far i have not released (yet) while (officially) sleeping...
20090128 22:20:50< zookeeper> some of them are clearly upscaled from something else, like the beholder for instance
20090128 22:21:25< grzywacz> Ivanovic, I have faith in you ;)
20090128 22:21:26< Ivanovic> the same for the floor tiles
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20090128 22:21:38< Ivanovic> they are upscaled from some texture like thing
20090128 22:21:45< Mordante> I'm off night
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20090128 22:22:37 * Shadow_Master wonders if v1.1.2 was Ivanovic's fault :p
20090128 22:23:11< Shadow_Master> *1.1.2 and 1.1.2a : http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Older_News_2006#Wesnoth_1.1.2a:_Bugfixes_to_the_Development_release
20090128 22:23:44< Shadow_Master> I managed to see the original message though, in a more melodramatic tone :p
20090128 22:24:15< Ivanovic> nah, this one was clearly not my mistake...
20090128 22:24:31 * Ivanovic is not even sure if he did the releases at that time, might still have been isaac around then
20090128 22:24:56< isaac> uhm
20090128 22:24:57< Ivanovic> i think i took over doing the releases, too, when we reached 1.1.4 or 1.1.5
20090128 22:24:59< Shadow_Master> we can check the tags tree :)
20090128 22:25:13< Ivanovic> since isaac was to slow in getting out releases when i wanted to see one...
20090128 22:25:14< Ivanovic> ^^
20090128 22:25:17< isaac> :P
20090128 22:25:48< isaac> Ivanovic: you did it
20090128 22:25:51< isaac> Ivanovic: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=144526#144526
20090128 22:26:04< Ivanovic> ha, i took over with 1.1.14
20090128 22:26:08< Ivanovic> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/tags/
20090128 22:26:21< isaac> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=132742#132742
20090128 22:26:26< isaac> that's my last one it seems
20090128 22:26:27< Ivanovic> isaac: hey, i already wrote those announcements before
20090128 22:26:28< Shadow_Master> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth/tags/
20090128 22:26:35< Ivanovic> but the real packaging was later
20090128 22:26:37< Ivanovic> ;)
20090128 22:26:37< Shadow_Master> 1.1.2 -> isaac ; 1.1.2a -> isaac
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20090128 22:27:18< isaac> ah, ok :)
20090128 22:27:22< isaac> yeah
20090128 22:27:43< Shadow_Master> was the complete SVN history moved when the repository was moved to gna¡
20090128 22:27:46< Shadow_Master> * ?
20090128 22:27:52< Ivanovic> you were just getting too slow with this packaging thingie, you know...
20090128 22:27:53< Ivanovic> ;)
20090128 22:27:58< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: jupp
20090128 22:28:12< Ivanovic> every single commit since a cvs rep was started
20090128 22:28:29< Ivanovic> it was a "real" cvs2svn conversion
20090128 22:28:34< loonycyborg> Even Perl managed to keep its history when moving from perforce to git :)
20090128 22:29:09< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: because if there is no way, they probably can figure out one
20090128 22:30:10< isaac> Ivanovic: yeah, but I did the SVN move :P
20090128 22:30:21< Ivanovic> isaac: yeah
20090128 22:30:44< Ivanovic> i was just in a "uhm, yeah, cvs sucks, find something better and migrate stuff"-position at that time
20090128 22:30:51< Ivanovic> ;)
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20090128 22:31:19< boucman> hey all
20090128 22:31:22< Ivanovic> hi boucman
20090128 22:31:49< Ivanovic> okay, now i should head off to bed before we really start to talk about the "good old days" even with sanna and the others around...
20090128 22:31:51< Ivanovic> *sigh*
20090128 22:32:18 * boucman starts remembering the good old days :)
20090128 22:32:23< Shadow_Master> :)
20090128 22:33:08< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: in those days you were probably just some small toddler
20090128 22:33:12< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: why silene is just a forum regular?
20090128 22:33:37< Ivanovic> because!
20090128 22:33:37< Shadow_Master> and I have read some ancient logs indeed
20090128 22:33:40< boucman> Shadow_Master: probably because we didn't have all the fancy old titles at the time...
20090128 22:33:56< Shadow_Master> yeah I know.
20090128 22:33:56< Ivanovic> at that time we just had one "really special" title per dev
20090128 22:34:05< Ivanovic> no groups, no "moderators per se" and this stuff
20090128 22:34:07< Shadow_Master> it's an insinuation for "go fix it"
20090128 22:34:32< Ivanovic> silene is not using the forums regulary anyway...
20090128 22:34:33< Ivanovic> ;)
20090128 22:34:48< Shadow_Master> he posted today anyway :p
20090128 22:35:19< Ivanovic> and he is even in "code & wml contributors", too
20090128 22:35:21< Ivanovic> ;)
20090128 22:36:08< Ivanovic> s/is/was till 5secs ago
20090128 22:36:25< Shadow_Master> k
20090128 22:37:16< Ivanovic> okay, time to leave, cu
20090128 22:37:47< Ivanovic> n8
20090128 22:38:16< Shadow_Master> thespaceinvader: around?
20090128 22:38:20< CIA-54> mordante * r32366 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: 
20090128 22:38:20< CIA-54> Fix the TCing of units in the old dialogs.
20090128 22:38:20< CIA-54> The lowmem logic got reverted, thanks to Shadow_Master for spotting the
20090128 22:38:20< CIA-54> problem.
20090128 22:38:27< thespaceinvader> Shadow_Master: yup
20090128 22:38:37< Shadow_Master> aha, mordante commits while asleep too
20090128 22:39:01< Shadow_Master> thespaceinvader: is this the  metal stuff you talked to me about? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=335492#p335492
20090128 22:39:28< thespaceinvader> yeah, that looks good
20090128 22:39:40< thespaceinvader> possibly a touch les saturation would help, too
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20090128 22:57:35< boucman> Shadow_Master: what's the status of your defense anim problem ?
20090128 22:58:04< Shadow_Master> boucman: oops, let me show you the code.
20090128 22:58:25< zookeeper> boucman, and defense/attack animations and maybe the hit flash too are somehow out of sync again. you can somewhat clearly see it with melee anims on 0.25x.
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20090128 22:58:46< Shadow_Master> zookeeper used the correct words :p
20090128 22:58:57< boucman> zookeeper: ok, I'll have a look this WE
20090128 22:59:10< Shadow_Master> boucman: what zookeeper said is basically my problem
20090128 22:59:12< Shadow_Master> http://rafb.net/p/Wf9Qge94.html and the code
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20090128 22:59:19< boucman> Shadow_Master: appart from the general bug on the red flash, can you get what you want ?
20090128 22:59:27< YogiHH> hello everyone
20090128 22:59:29< Shadow_Master> yes...
20090128 22:59:45< Shadow_Master> except that ranged attack anims across many hexes aren't possible! (jk)
20090128 22:59:57< boucman> Shadow_Master: why not ?
20090128 22:59:58< Shadow_Master> hi YogiHH 
20090128 23:00:09< boucman> :P
20090128 23:00:31< Shadow_Master> boucman: if I animate a ranged attack from, say (1,1) to (8,8), the ranged attack projectile animates as if the attack was from (1,1) to an adjacent hex
20090128 23:00:39< Shadow_Master> (of course!)
20090128 23:00:44< boucman> yeah, 
20090128 23:01:23< boucman> ok, I'll look at the engine bug ASAP (probably this WE, though) and we'll see if there is any bug remaining in your case after that
20090128 23:01:23< Shadow_Master> I was trying to see if I could get away without making a special unit for animating a "fake projectile" with [move_unit_fake]
20090128 23:01:29< Shadow_Master> ah, k
20090128 23:02:06< boucman> I fixed something related to anim length this we that could influence that (if you havn't updated since) you might give it a try
20090128 23:05:51< Shadow_Master> grzywacz: fear the Spanish translation ;]
20090128 23:07:36< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, kyaa ;]
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20090128 23:13:46< Sapient> YogiHH: did the libs work for ya?
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20090128 23:19:13< YogiHH> Sapient: well, i figured i would have to reinvent the whole toolchain (since i still use gcc 3.4.5), so i postponed this for a while
20090128 23:19:18< Shadow_Master> Sapient: did you read my message about [fire_event] yesterday btw?
20090128 23:19:25< Shadow_Master> yo Sapient.
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20090128 23:21:06< Shadow_Master> ESR_: is the text of the undead branch of NR all yours?
20090128 23:21:15< YogiHH> anyone: if i get a SIGTRAP that i did not request with a breakpoint, is that something bad or indicating a problem of some kind?
20090128 23:21:36< Shadow_Master> YogiHH: it indicates you caught a GUI 2 assert probabl
20090128 23:22:08< Shadow_Master> make sure the C++ code part of SVN matches the WML and that you have built the binar
20090128 23:22:13< Sapient> yo Shikadi
20090128 23:22:13< ESR_> No, actually it's mostly Taurus's.  I think I made a few tweaks, but his writing was strarting to really improve by the time he got to that.  I was a good influence on hiim :-)
20090128 23:22:14< Shadow_Master> *rebuilt the binary
20090128 23:22:32< Shadow_Master> YogiHH: otherwise, they are the "new asserts" Jetryl and Sirp introduced
20090128 23:22:44< Shadow_Master> ESR_: indeed. I like the text of that section.
20090128 23:23:51< ESR_> Taurus is a really bright guy.  I was amazed at how *rapidly* his prose got better after he started payiing attenttion  to what I was doing.
20090128 23:24:18< Shadow_Master> it is really bad that he left us. That branch really shows promise*
20090128 23:24:26< Shadow_Master> * (to be more interesting than the regular one for my liking)
20090128 23:24:53< Sapient> Shadow_Master: no, I didn't see any messages about fire_event yesterday
20090128 23:25:25< Shadow_Master> Sapient: I was asking you whether the fact that its [*_unit] tags use x,y filters instead of SUFs is intentional or not
20090128 23:25:27< ESR_> Shadow_Master: If you want to try to finish it, I'll help with the prose.
20090128 23:26:06< Shadow_Master> Sapient: and that if it isn't, what would be the best way to handle SUFs matching multiple units, or "phantom units" (recall list units)
20090128 23:26:47< Shadow_Master> ESR_: I'm not an expert in making battle scenarios like Taurus
20090128 23:27:12< Shadow_Master> and I don't know what Taurus' plans were
20090128 23:27:16< ESR_> I'm nowhere near as good at it, either.
20090128 23:27:59< ESR_> But I don't think we need to worry a lot about Taurus's plans.  Hew was never very resistant to my plot changes.
20090128 23:28:20< Shadow_Master> I'd still like that whoever completes this task asks him first about what those plans were
20090128 23:28:33< ESR_> Reasonable.
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20090128 23:31:36< Sapient> Shadow_Master: x,y is the old way of identifying units and it seemed the most reliable way for that general purpose macro
20090128 23:31:44< Shadow_Master> Sapient: tag!
20090128 23:32:04< Shadow_Master> macros are a very different subject
20090128 23:32:05< Sapient> uniqueness of id is desired but not garunteed
20090128 23:32:37< Shadow_Master> so, I can let it be as a x,y-only filter.
20090128 23:33:06< Sapient> ah, not really
20090128 23:33:21< Sapient> SUF code should be re-used wherever it makes sense
20090128 23:33:31< Sapient> conformity
20090128 23:34:15< Shadow_Master> in order words? [fire_event] [*_unit] should be made SUFs? and how will I deal with the aforementioned border cases?
20090128 23:36:02< Sapient> UB
20090128 23:36:27< Sapient> if there is more than one unit matching the SUF then you get "undefined behavior"
20090128 23:36:37< Sapient> the first unit that matches would be used
20090128 23:36:51 * Shadow_Master would feel guilty for the rest of his life for introducing UB :/
20090128 23:37:04< Sapient> no, it's perfectly reasonable
20090128 23:37:10< Shadow_Master> of course it will be... interesting, if I fire_event] on a recall-only unit
20090128 23:37:24< Shadow_Master> what will $x* and $y* become?
20090128 23:37:29< Sapient> that would be an invalid location
20090128 23:37:38< Sapient> -999,-999 or whatever
20090128 23:37:59< Sapient> you can't fire_event on recall unit locations because they don't have a location
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20090128 23:39:13< Sapient> keep in mind that variables of ANY sort can be set before calling fire_Event
20090128 23:39:22< Sapient> so it's no great loss
20090128 23:40:09< Shadow_Master> btw, $unit $second_unit $weapon $second_weapon $x1 $y1 $x2 and $y2 are correctly set after firing an event?
20090128 23:42:58< Shadow_Master> can you make a word of the latest UtBS bug report in the TS subforum, Espreon  ?
20090128 23:43:06< Shadow_Master> you are the UtBS maintainer, remember that!
20090128 23:44:07< Shadow_Master> ESR_: "Scarcely a face among them was less grim than her own as they took arms and started down Rakshas's back-trail." I cannot understand this sentence :/
20090128 23:44:23< Shadow_Master> #: data/campaigns/Northern_Rebirth/scenarios/12a_Get_the_Gold.cfg:107
20090128 23:44:35< Espreon> Shadow_Master: I shall do so.
20090128 23:45:45< Shadow_Master> Espreon: perhaps you can translate the line above for me too?
20090128 23:46:01< Shadow_Master> whose's faces are grim? too many negation in one sentence for my liking -,-
20090128 23:46:17< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: AFAIK this phrase tries to reflect that some people with grim faces started down back-trail of some Rakshas's :P
20090128 23:46:23< loonycyborg> *AFAICT
20090128 23:47:05< loonycyborg> What does started down in this context?
20090128 23:47:14< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: yeah, but what's the relation with Anita's expression?
20090128 23:47:37< Shadow_Master> I cannot afford losing the "poetic" meaning if any
20090128 23:47:41< Espreon> Shadow_Master: Do not ask me to try to comprehend such poetic/whatever sentences!
20090128 23:47:50< loonycyborg> Not many of them were less grim that hers.
20090128 23:47:54< Shadow_Master> Espreon: oh noes.
20090128 23:48:24< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: are you making the russian translation or not? :)
20090128 23:49:09< loonycyborg> No. Though I may soon since maintainer seems to have disappeared again :P
20090128 23:50:42< Espreon> To me, poetry is a mistake that must be rectified.
20090128 23:51:03< Shadow_Master> Espreon: I know at least two people who would want to smack you for that comment :p
20090128 23:52:00 * Espreon gets out a shark, the zanbatō of fish.
20090128 23:52:29< Sapient> Shadow_Master: I don't know if everything is set right...
20090128 23:52:46< Sapient> I didn't write fire_event, I just occaisionally fix its bugs ;)
20090128 23:52:56< Shadow_Master> I'll check then when I need those variables
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20090128 23:58:59 * Espreon hides in the shark.
20090128 23:59:24 * Shadow_Master extends his magic carpet and flies out of this place
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