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20090102 00:33:37< Elven_> great problem!
20090102 00:33:53< Elven_> why it do not accept changed name of the picture?
20090102 00:34:20< Elven_> in this directory: /home/stano/.wesnoth/data/campaigns/The_Final_Exam/images/portraits are two images
20090102 00:34:44< Elven_> both are the same. same permissions, same pixels... 
20090102 00:35:18< Elven_> but all of it works only when it is called "saurian-tribalist.png"
20090102 00:35:26< Elven_> when i change name, it is not working
20090102 00:35:35< Elven_> of course i modify _main too
20090102 00:35:53< Elven_> but only if it is called saurian-tribalist.png it is working :(
20090102 00:36:03< Elven_> cache has been deleted
20090102 00:36:12< Elven_> and I also restarted PC
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20090102 00:38:19< Espreon> Elven_: Perhaps Wesnoth hates you.
20090102 00:38:39< Elven_> Espreon: my? why? :(
20090102 00:38:44< kaoron> Hi :)
20090102 00:39:12< Elven_> now i changed the name into abcd.png, let saurian-tribalist.png in _main.cfg, and it is working :D
20090102 00:39:15< Elven_> strange
20090102 00:39:31< Elven_> like it is taking that image from another source...
20090102 00:41:08< Elven_> maybe the X files :D
20090102 00:41:38< Espreon> Elven_: Zip/tar the thing and upload it so that we may see it and rectify they problem?
20090102 00:42:31< Espreon> *the
20090102 00:42:43< Elven_> i found something another now... it looks that it is taking image from the different campaign in different folder... but in _main there is nothing about that campaign
20090102 00:43:29< Espreon> Elven_: Is the image from the other campaign affected by a [binary_path] tag outside of an  #ifdef?
20090102 00:43:57< Elven_> so in the forgotten legacy i renamed saurian-tribalist to mage-erika, and it is working. very strange
20090102 00:44:07< Elven_> i will upload _main from the final exam
20090102 00:44:18< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d7c4dc6d6
20090102 00:44:51< Elven_> ifdef looks okay
20090102 00:45:33< Espreon> Perhaps you should have an extra copy of the image in another directory.
20090102 00:46:55< Elven_> no i was looking for it
20090102 00:47:16< Espreon> Yeah...
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20090102 00:49:29< Elven_> time to sleep :)
20090102 00:49:44< Elven_> 49 mins after midnight (in my country)
20090102 00:49:54< Espreon> I stay up after midnight.
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20090102 10:27:10< Ivanovic> moin
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20090102 12:33:20< jhaig> Question from a very novice player.  At the Isles of the Damned in Heir to the Throne, is there any use in recruiting poachers?  They seem ineffective against everything in that stage.
20090102 12:37:40< lizard_r> you can only recuit them in that scenario, not later. So if you want some later you have to recuit them now and later recall them.
20090102 12:37:54< lizard_r> I'm not a good player either
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20090102 13:18:36< Soliton> they work reasonably well against ghosts.
20090102 13:19:15< Soliton> as a novice player it might be better to go the land route though.
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20090102 14:07:15< sylar91> hi, is it possible to make the font bigger in wesnoth?
20090102 14:08:10< zookeeper> maybe in 1.5.x. maybe.
20090102 14:08:15< lizard_r> yes, but you wold need to edit a difficult to understand theme file
20090102 14:08:36< sylar91> doh, so it isn't usable on the neo freerunner...
20090102 14:08:37< sylar91> :(
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20090102 14:09:24< sylar91> lizard_r: where can I find it?
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20090102 14:10:09< lizard_r> I'm not sure, all I know is that you can change the ingame surfane
20090102 14:10:14< lizard_r> which OS do you use?
20090102 14:10:35< mordante> sylar91 in 1.6 with the new gui it's possible to use a larger font
20090102 14:10:38< sylar91> linux on the mobilephone
20090102 14:10:53< sylar91> mordante: and now isn't there a workaround?
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20090102 14:12:06< lizard_r> you cold try to edit /usr/local/share/wesnoth/data/themes/default.cfg
20090102 14:12:23< mordante> sylar91 changing font.hpp and some config files
20090102 14:12:26< sylar91> it is empty...
20090102 14:12:44< lizard_r> where is your wesnoth instalation?
20090102 14:12:49< sylar91> ah ok it is in /usr/share...
20090102 14:13:03< mordante> font.hpp is a source file and requires recompilation
20090102 14:13:25< sylar91> no problem for recompilation
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20090102 14:14:21< sylar91> Gnutoo: mordante said font.hpp is a source file and requires recompilation (by with we could change the font size)
20090102 14:15:31< Gnutoo> sylar91, ok...magari ti faro un packaetto piu tardi...perche adesso sono occupato a fare il packaetto di frozen bubble 2.2.0
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20090102 14:16:34< lizard_r> why do you need to incease the font?
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20090102 14:17:11< lizard_r> have you tried tinygui? I don't know what it does but it sounds usefull
20090102 14:17:15< sylar91> lizard_r: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/22d4adc34d1f5dff36db505df9b04365.png
20090102 14:17:59< lizard_r> srange button length...
20090102 14:18:01< Gnutoo> it uses tinygui
20090102 14:18:04< lizard_r> *strnge
20090102 14:18:08< lizard_r> *strange
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20090102 14:18:32< mordante> yes buttons do look ugly in tiny gui
20090102 14:19:01< sylar91> the resolution is 480x590 ...
20090102 14:19:20< mordante> btw the tiny-gui version of trunk didn't have much testing so if you run into problems let me know
20090102 14:19:50< mordante> I'm most of the time not here but on #wesnoth-dev and I read the logs of #wesnoth-dev
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20090102 14:25:59< sylar91> mordante: is it possible to change the font size by changing the font file?
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20090102 14:29:25< mordante> sylar91 yes some places use the sizes in font.hpp, but others use several config files
20090102 14:29:51< mordante> it's a bit of a mess, but I'm busy to rewrite the entire gui engine, but that will be 1.8 before it's ready
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20090102 14:39:37< sylar91> mmm is it any way to make the game start faster?
20090102 14:40:24< Soliton> have a valid cache.
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20090102 14:41:03< sylar91> it seems it creates the cache every time I run it...
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20090102 14:43:30< mordante> it should only recreate the cache when you modifed a config file
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20090102 14:44:31< sylar91> mordante: it recreates it every time... mmm
20090102 14:44:44< Soliton> can wesnoth write to ~/.wesnoth/cache/ or whereever?
20090102 14:45:31< sylar91> in cache there are those files 
20090102 14:45:34< sylar91> root@om-gta02:~/.wesnoth/cache# ls
20090102 14:45:36< sylar91> cache-v1.4.7-bb5c0341779c7893f7d126d3e11fafe4eba8a3aa
20090102 14:45:36< sylar91> cache-v1.4.7-bb5c0341779c7893f7d126d3e11fafe4eba8a3aa.checksum
20090102 14:45:36< sylar91> cache-v1.4.7-de9cf9b4b1b15abfa3158d4518c92f1724db61ad
20090102 14:45:36< sylar91> cache-v1.4.7-de9cf9b4b1b15abfa3158d4518c92f1724db61ad.checksum
20090102 14:45:36< sylar91> cache-v1.4.7-e85b70c2995e81136f2cff08eca85ef0fdfafed6
20090102 14:45:37< sylar91> cache-v1.4.7-e85b70c2995e81136f2cff08eca85ef0fdfafed6.checksum
20090102 14:45:45< sylar91> (sorry for not using the nopaste :S )
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20090102 14:47:03< sylar91> is it right or are there some problems with those files?
20090102 14:47:12< Soliton> and it still says it's creating the cache at program start?
20090102 14:47:12< mordante> well it shouldn't recreate them every time
20090102 14:47:21< Soliton> or does it just say it reads from it?
20090102 14:47:31< Soliton> reading might still be slow for your device.
20090102 14:47:40< sylar91> no it says it is reading file and creating cache
20090102 14:47:42< mordante> the several versions are for different campaigns or mp
20090102 14:47:53< sylar91> (translate from my italian verionn)
20090102 14:48:09< Soliton> hmm.
20090102 14:48:42< Soliton> is it creating a new cache file every start or just thinks an existing one is not valid?
20090102 14:49:20< sylar91> Soliton: and... how to discover which is the right answer?
20090102 14:49:37< sylar91> (sorry for my bad enligh, I'm a 17 Italian student..)
20090102 14:50:22< Soliton> well, do you get more and more files in there or does one file get recreated (new date)?
20090102 14:51:00< sylar91> Soliton: files are recreated
20090102 14:52:28< sylar91> and on a 400mhz cpu recreating the cache every time it starts is too slow....
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20090102 14:56:11< Soliton> start with --log-info=cache or so and try to figure out why wesnoth thinks the cache is invalid.
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20090102 14:58:54< sylar91> Soliton: it says "unknown debug domain: cache"
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20090102 15:00:05< Soliton> oh yeah, that's new in 1.5, i think.
20090102 15:00:30< Soliton> you can use 'all' but that's going to be spammy.
20090102 15:01:00< sylar91> :S
20090102 15:03:42< sylar91> how to redirect the log's otuput to a file?
20090102 15:04:00< Soliton> &> file
20090102 15:04:46< sylar91> Soliton: thx
20090102 15:05:05< sylar91> it takes 88 seconds to load....
20090102 15:06:42 * sylar91 looking at the looong log file :)
20090102 15:07:19< sylar91> ehm... the file is empty! -.-'
20090102 15:07:37< sylar91> isn't right to use this command? DISPLAY=:0 wesnoth -w -r 480x500 --log-info=all &>log
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20090102 15:10:33< Soliton> looks good to me.
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20090102 15:10:40< Elven_> hello
20090102 15:10:51< Soliton> maybe a space before log.
20090102 15:11:08< Elven_> where can i found the differences between elvish archer and elvish fighter?
20090102 15:11:30< Elven_> for example in forest archer have 70 perc defense. where is it written?
20090102 15:11:51< Soliton> data/core/units/elves/...
20090102 15:12:25< Soliton> for that specific case the macro NIMBLE_ELF or so is used which is in data/core/units.cfg
20090102 15:12:41< Elven_> sure i know, looking into that files, but there is nothing about it :(
20090102 15:12:49< Elven_> great thanks 
20090102 15:13:48< Turuk> log into game and go into help? :P
20090102 15:14:17< sylar91> ehm... I'm not able to redirect the output of the log to a "log" file :(
20090102 15:14:48< Soliton> you could also try 2> log to just redirect stderr which is what we log to.
20090102 15:14:56< Soliton> what shell do you use?
20090102 15:15:21< Soliton> might be that &> is a bashism.
20090102 15:15:22< sylar91> busybox via ssh
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20090102 15:43:20< Unnheulu|Laptop> Elven_: i might have some itme
20090102 15:44:16< Elven_> Unnheulu|Laptop: great. I like to prepare campaign "the final exam" to become official one time. Can you please test it and look to the code?
20090102 15:44:19< sylar91> doh... I'm not able to register the log..
20090102 15:44:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> Elven_: don't have wesnoth on my lappy :(
20090102 15:44:44< Unnheulu|Laptop> perhaps later or tomoz
20090102 15:44:53< Elven_> ok thanks :)
20090102 15:44:54< Unnheulu|Laptop> and ill be on my desktop
20090102 15:44:55< Unnheulu|Laptop> sry
20090102 15:45:01< Elven_> no problem
20090102 15:47:14< Soliton> sylar91: redirecting with 2> did not work either? got to read up on the busybox shell then, i guess.
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20090102 15:48:31< sylar91> Soliton: now I have to go, see you tomorrow and thanks
20090102 15:48:32< sylar91> !
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20090102 15:54:04< Unnheulu|Laptop> z
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20090102 16:47:25< Elven_> strange problem... at the start of a very easy scenario I have about 2300 gold :D
20090102 16:47:31< Elven_> how to make it lower?
20090102 16:48:19< Elven_> gold is set to 0 for the side 1, but it carries much from another scenario
20090102 16:48:49< Rrenys> "A yeti comes out of nowhere and goes away with 2200 gold." event
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20090102 16:51:58< Elven_> you mean add an event what will take ammount -2300?
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20090102 16:52:34< Rrenys> Not just that
20090102 16:52:38< Azag> hi
20090102 16:52:46< Azag> for play online, what expansions I need?
20090102 16:52:55< Rrenys> you must also add a reason that makes as little sense as possible, since otherwise, the player might blame the loss of gold on himself
20090102 16:53:28< Elven_> Azag: you do not need any expansions :D
20090102 16:53:53< Azag> Elven_: I enter in a server and they say me that y need the myth era
20090102 16:53:57< Elven_> Rrenys: can i add something to the scenario 6, that nothing will be carryover to the scenario 7?
20090102 16:54:17< Elven_> Azag: so install it :) run wesnoth and then click on addons
20090102 16:54:36< Elven_> Azag: but you can of course play games that do not need anything
20090102 16:55:00< Rrenys> Adding something like that to the BEGINNING of the previous scenario would be very polite towards the player, yes. But I imagine giving a proper story-wise explanation for it will be difficult
20090102 16:55:02< zookeeper> Azag, the game mentions if it needs a special era
20090102 16:55:22< Azag> ok
20090102 16:55:37< zookeeper> so if it looks like something that you think you don't have, skip that game or go download it from the add-ons first
20090102 16:56:52< Azag> but what are the most use addons in online plays?
20090102 16:56:59< Azag> for install it all for one
20090102 16:57:32< Soliton> extended era and era of myths.
20090102 16:57:41< Azag> thanks
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20090102 16:58:58< Azag> extended era is extended MP era?
20090102 16:59:19< Soliton> indeed.
20090102 17:00:04< Azag> thnx
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20090102 19:14:02< mooglenorph> Hello. I just compiled/installed 1.4.7, on slackware linux (the slack binary is 1.4.2) and while I could play mp3's in amarok before, while playing wesnoth, now I can't.
20090102 19:14:09< mooglenorph> Is there a wiki page with build options?
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20090102 19:23:26< Soliton> mooglenorph: that's not a build option because wesnoth has nothing to do with it.
20090102 19:24:20< Soliton> that's an option of your sound driver/daemon or whatever.
20090102 19:31:15< mooglenorph> I'm only using alsa. I haven't changed anything from before except for building the new wesnoth, and now amarok crashed when I launch it.
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20090102 19:31:56< mooglenorph> s/crashed when I launch it/crashes after trying to play music for about three seconds
20090102 19:32:57< Soliton> so if you start the other wesnoth you can play music in other programs and with the self-compiled you can't?
20090102 19:33:19< mooglenorph> Yes.
20090102 19:34:14< Soliton> that seems hard to believe.
20090102 19:35:04< mooglenorph> I know. It doesn't make any sense to me either.
20090102 19:35:28< Soliton> other programs than amarok crash as well?
20090102 19:35:45< mooglenorph> Luckily I made a package for it, so I checked by removing my built version and re-installing the binary, and sound in amarok worked again.
20090102 19:35:53< mooglenorph> Um, they don't crash, but sound refuses to work.
20090102 19:36:33< mooglenorph> (worked again = I could play mp3's while wesnoth was running again)
20090102 19:36:35< Soliton> maybe the pre-built package has some configuration coming with it.
20090102 19:38:05< mooglenorph> Hmm. I will explode it and compare the build options/scripts.
20090102 19:38:18< Soliton> you could also check what sound library each binary is linked against.
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20090102 19:39:07< Soliton> if you used different versions of SDL to build that might cause it, maybe.
20090102 19:42:49< mooglenorph> Ah, thanks. That might be it.
20090102 19:43:00< mooglenorph> So upgrading my version of SDL may help?
20090102 19:43:37< Soliton> definately maybe.
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20090102 20:00:25< mooglenorph> Yeah, I can't find any differences in the build scripts used. I guess I'll try replacing SDL.
20090102 20:02:35< mooglenorph> Is there a way to tell with just the binary what version it was built against?
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20090102 20:05:23< Soliton> ldd
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20090102 20:11:46< mooglenorph> thanks
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20090102 22:03:40< Unnheulu|Laptop> id just like to say
20090102 22:03:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> i play wesnoth on my netbook, and it works great :D
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