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20090110 00:17:42< phixxor> is it possible to download wesnoth on mac as intel only or ppc only to save space?
20090110 00:18:06< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: ^
20090110 00:18:39< crimson_penguin> phixxor: no, but it would hardly save any space
20090110 00:19:02< phixxor> oh, in that case it doesn't matter
20090110 00:19:10< crimson_penguin> phixxor: if you REALLY wanted to, I could give you instructions to remove the ppc or intel part
20090110 00:19:29< crimson_penguin> it would save about 13mb
20090110 00:19:34< phixxor> crimson_prenguin: how is it able to do that
20090110 00:19:53< phixxor> I thought code for ppc and intel was significantly different
20090110 00:20:18< crimson_penguin> they are, and the executable size is doubled because of that - but the data is the same, and that's the biggest part
20090110 00:20:44< phixxor> ok, that makes sense, thanks :)
20090110 00:20:49< phixxor> that's a lot of data!
20090110 00:21:03< crimson_penguin> yeah, the executable is only 26mb ;)
20090110 00:21:21< crimson_penguin> uhh, I just realized something...
20090110 00:21:32< crimson_penguin> looking inside the .app, the translations are not in the right place
20090110 00:22:14< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: I am translator
20090110 00:22:25< Shadow_Master> You make me sad.
20090110 00:22:27< crimson_penguin> I don't know how I did that, and I'm surprised no one's complained about it... the fact that no one has makes me think maybe they were in the right place in the release
20090110 00:22:31< crimson_penguin> :(
20090110 00:22:41< Shadow_Master> :(
20090110 00:22:44< Ivanovic> n8
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20090110 00:23:08< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: you'd always check
20090110 00:23:20< Shadow_Master> do you speak aa langauge other than english and AA?
20090110 00:23:36< crimson_penguin> AA?
20090110 00:23:52< Shadow_Master> the langauge in which you duplicate vowels 
20090110 00:24:02< crimson_penguin> well, it'd be easy to check if I had the dmg, but... well I guess I do, but on the external HD
20090110 00:24:03< Shadow_Master> and spew lines with trailing spaces
20090110 00:24:10< crimson_penguin> haha, well I don't know that one
20090110 00:24:10< Shadow_Master> um :(
20090110 00:24:17< crimson_penguin> I know a little Swedish
20090110 00:24:35< Shadow_Master> you could try with their translation next time...
20090110 00:24:48 * Shadow_Master now knows why the Spanish translation team is undead
20090110 00:25:02< crimson_penguin> yes, it's easy to check - it's even easy to fix, in this case
20090110 00:25:36< crimson_penguin> basically, translations should be in: Wesnoth.app/Contents/Resources/, but instead they were in Wesnoth.app/Contents/
20090110 00:25:56< Shadow_Master> sounds like a late-night screwup
20090110 00:26:26< crimson_penguin> I believe I made it in the afternoon :-/
20090110 00:26:38< Shadow_Master> be late afternoon then
20090110 00:28:15< crimson_penguin> well god damnit, that sucks - that's TWO problems with 1.5.7 :(
20090110 00:28:26< Shadow_Master> what else?
20090110 00:28:45< crimson_penguin> well, the linking to Python was broken, but I got Jetryl to fix that
20090110 00:29:02< crimson_penguin> it actually didn't make it not work though
20090110 00:29:07< Shadow_Master> oops. Fortunately Python isn't used much in mainline *YET*
20090110 00:29:31< Shadow_Master> DiD scenario 3 will break with that though
20090110 00:29:46< crimson_penguin> it was supposed to link to Python 2.5 inside the .app, and instead it linked to Python 2.3 on the system - which is packaged in 10.4
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20090110 00:31:45< crimson_penguin> well, the Python is fixed
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20090110 00:44:25< crimson_penguin> Shadow_Master: it was more rushed than usual, because my internet had been out the day of the release... not much of an excuse though ;)
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20090110 00:45:42< Shadow_Master> hey, it's ne New Year's Eve release! any excuse is good
20090110 00:49:16< zookeeper> urgh. i should really get rid of that python ai in DiD.
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20090110 00:49:37< Shadow_Master> I guess you could do something with formulas
20090110 00:49:55< zookeeper> i don't trust it, and it probably isn't necessary. i'm still hoping for dragonking or someone to fulfill my request of having a formula ai for that. :|
20090110 00:50:04< Shadow_Master> ahem
20090110 00:50:08< zookeeper> what?
20090110 00:50:16< Shadow_Master> above.
20090110 00:50:27< Shadow_Master> you couldn't try to write your own formula AI?
20090110 00:50:51< zookeeper> the language is way too cryptic for me to want to try to figure it out
20090110 00:52:16< zookeeper> at least i'd need to see some ready examples of simple AIs like that.
20090110 00:52:21< Shadow_Master> pah, I like challenges...
20090110 00:53:14< zookeeper> kamikazeing against a specific unit or trying to move to a location are the basic ones, but whenever i've asked for how those could be done the answer has IIRC been that it can't or that it'd be really complicated :p
20090110 00:54:52< zookeeper> challenges where i have to get creative are fine, i just don't like challenges where i need to figure something out from scratch.
20090110 00:56:17< zookeeper> and i just don't understand anything about functional programming, i find it rather inherently perverse in fact (and no, i'm not really a real programmer).
20090110 00:57:03< Shadow_Master> liar!
20090110 00:57:12< Shadow_Master> you commited a code patch to Wesnoth! :D
20090110 00:57:44< zookeeper> you don't need to really be a real programmer to do that :|
20090110 00:57:54< Shadow_Master> ah well, true
20090110 00:58:30< Shadow_Master> functional language... brought me back a memory of Scheme
20090110 00:59:14< zookeeper> scheme brings me back a memory of the single most hideously dull university lecture i've ever attended.
20090110 01:01:53 * Shadow_Master too
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20090110 01:01:58< zookeeper> a course on scheme, and the geek teaching it just went on and on about pure theory and lambda calculus and whatever in a monotonous voice for a couple of hours absolutely without anything interesting. it was horrible. needless to say, i dropped that course immediately.
20090110 01:02:24< Shadow_Master> It was a course on the basics of programming. I left that course and went to learn C on my own
20090110 01:02:50< Shadow_Master> (how can a prefix language be better than the natural syntax of C for teaching?)
20090110 01:03:18< Shadow_Master> I don't do (+, 3, 4) on papers. I do 3+4
20090110 01:05:31< halifix> So... .81% + 4*1.89%=8.37%
20090110 01:05:37< zookeeper> but surely there's a lot of really cool and exciting reasons for the former!
20090110 01:06:50< zookeeper> anyways, i think i'll go get some sleep.
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20090110 01:07:05< halifix> 8.37%*(60%)^4=1.084752%
20090110 01:07:07< halifix> I hate you RNG.
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20090110 01:54:33< Thrawnwesnoth> halifax: that sucks XD
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20090110 01:58:31< Turuk> thrawn, you are the honey now I suppose and I'm the stick :)
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20090110 02:11:01< Thrawnwesnoth> ?
20090110 02:11:09< Thrawnwesnoth> in terms of what?
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20090110 02:59:40< Shadow_Master> Thrawnwesnoth: how is it possible that that guy doesn't knopw what "needs to be changed"?
20090110 02:59:58< Shadow_Master> he should know he 's stealing stuff. Unless... he's a ... cleptomaniac! O o
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20090110 03:01:00< Shadow_Master> People with this disorder are compelled to steal things  [...] Some may not be aware that they have committed the theft.
20090110 03:01:02< Thrawnwesnoth> nah, well, the troll thing is a case--even though it was core wesnoth, it's still copyright violation
20090110 03:01:30< Thrawnwesnoth> if he uses old orc, the same thing ^_^
20090110 03:01:30< Shadow_Master> I honestly didn't know the trolls were also violations
20090110 03:01:40 * Shadow_Master looking back at 0.3
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20090110 03:02:02< Shadow_Master> oops. I don't have it. But I have wesnoth 0.2 around
20090110 03:02:14< Thrawnwesnoth> back then, many things were
20090110 03:02:30< Shadow_Master> fmuñoz.. o O
20090110 03:02:36< Thrawnwesnoth> nah, dave
20090110 03:02:43< Thrawnwesnoth> when first putting it together
20090110 03:02:47< Shadow_Master> nah, fmuñoz
20090110 03:03:04< Shadow_Master> he did contribute all of those fraphics AFAIK
20090110 03:03:32< Thrawnwesnoth> maybe-- but the reason why was they didn't think it would be a big enough game for it to matter XD
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20090110 03:04:30< Shadow_Master> Sirp just wouldn't know if those were rip-offs, I guess
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20090110 03:16:50< phixxor> Turuk: is there any problem with running semi completed files/campaigns to see what the errors are?
20090110 03:17:01< Turuk> nope
20090110 03:17:09< Turuk> it should work
20090110 03:17:16< phixxor> alright
20090110 03:17:16< Turuk> and work as in it will work until there is an error
20090110 03:17:34< phixxor> because there are lots of small differences between the files I'm working on and some up to date campaigns
20090110 03:17:35< Turuk> are you able to make it start at the least?
20090110 03:17:41< phixxor> I haven't tried yet
20090110 03:17:54< phixxor> I'm on a different computer now, downloading wesnoth to test it
20090110 03:17:58< Turuk> ah ok
20090110 03:18:20< phixxor> it goes in userdata/data/campaigns, right?
20090110 03:18:20< Turuk> I would pull all the other scenarios out but the first
20090110 03:18:26< Turuk> and get that working and then move on to the next
20090110 03:18:26< Turuk> yup
20090110 03:18:48< phixxor> hmm you mean put the scenario files somewhere else? they'd interfere?
20090110 03:19:02< Turuk> well
20090110 03:19:18< Turuk> like pull out all the scenarios but the first one and leave them on your desktop
20090110 03:19:37< Turuk> try to get that running, once the first scenario comes up and works (you make all the changes to the code, whatever)
20090110 03:19:39< Turuk> add in the second
20090110 03:19:42< Turuk> get that working
20090110 03:19:45< Turuk> and so on and so forth
20090110 03:19:48< Turuk> makes it easier
20090110 03:19:58< phixxor> alright
20090110 03:20:10< Turuk> (just a technique)
20090110 03:20:10< phixxor> right now I'm focusing on the units
20090110 03:20:18< phixxor> there were lots of custom ones in that campaign
20090110 03:20:27< Turuk> ah, ok
20090110 03:20:54< phixxor> is the userdata folder the same in mac as linux?
20090110 03:21:15< ShikadiLord> I suspect not, but Turuk knows the Mac user dir
20090110 03:21:20< ShikadiLord> I know the Linux user dir
20090110 03:21:27< ShikadiLord> $HOME/.wesnoth
20090110 03:21:34< phixxor> yeah
20090110 03:21:34< Turuk> yeah, I know nothing about Linux, but I can do Mac
20090110 03:21:45< Turuk> mac userdata is
20090110 03:21:46< phixxor> I saw their locations online somewhere
20090110 03:22:34< Turuk> Username/Library/Preferences/Wesnoth/data/campaigns
20090110 03:22:56< phixxor> alright, copying that :P
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20090110 03:30:33< phixxor> can marksman be an attribute for a melee attack?
20090110 03:30:59< Thrawnwesnoth> yes
20090110 03:31:11< Shadow_Master> but you'd have to rename it :)
20090110 03:31:19< Thrawnwesnoth> really?
20090110 03:31:22< phixxor> ok
20090110 03:31:32< Thrawnwesnoth> kalifa does it
20090110 03:31:33< Shadow_Master> in Spanish, the translation has an inherent long-range meaning
20090110 03:31:38< phixxor> right now I have name=claws, type=blade, special=marksman, range=melee
20090110 03:31:52< Shadow_Master> special=marksman WTF?
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20090110 03:31:58< Shadow_Master> that's OBSOLETE syntax
20090110 03:31:58< phixxor> this is an old file
20090110 03:32:01< phixxor> yeah
20090110 03:32:17< phixxor> I'm retooling A Gryphon's Tale for the new wesnoth
20090110 03:32:33< Shadow_Master> ah... you could run 1.4 wmllint on it, and then trun wmllint (assuming you want to port it for ttrunk/1.5/1.6)
20090110 03:32:45< Shadow_Master> but I have no idea how to run wmllint on MacOS X
20090110 03:33:54< phixxor> I just downloaded the maintenance tools; I can probably run wmllint
20090110 03:34:00< phixxor> if there is a mac version
20090110 03:34:24< Shadow_Master> it is Python - no "windows" or "mac os" version
20090110 03:34:27< phixxor> cause mac already has python so it should work
20090110 03:34:30< Shadow_Master> it's just universal
20090110 03:34:42< phixxor> good :)
20090110 03:35:04< Thrawnwesnoth> peace, time to be sociable
20090110 03:35:10< Shadow_Master> :)
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20090110 03:35:21< Turuk> haha later
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20090110 03:35:57< phixxor> alright, I'll run wmllint on it and see what it does
20090110 03:36:14< Shadow_Master> you first have to try with 1.4 wmllint
20090110 03:36:29< Shadow_Master> and then, if you want to port the add-on for 1.5.x, run trunk / 1.5 wmllint
20090110 03:36:50< phixxor> alright
20090110 03:36:51< phixxor> actually
20090110 03:36:56< phixxor> I can't find wmllint at all
20090110 03:37:11< phixxor> I found a page describing the maintenance tools though
20090110 03:37:46< Shadow_Master> /data/tools/wmllint
20090110 03:38:03< Shadow_Master> Turuk: help me
20090110 03:38:06< phixxor> do I have to download the source version?
20090110 03:38:10< Turuk> with what?
20090110 03:38:18< Turuk> ah
20090110 03:38:22< Shadow_Master> depends on how crimson_penguin packaged it
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20090110 03:38:35< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: do you include the tools with the mac package?
20090110 03:38:59< crimson_penguin> no
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20090110 03:39:15 * crimson_penguin is watching Dr. Who
20090110 03:39:26< phixxor> crimson_penguin, which doctor?
20090110 03:39:32< Turuk> ooo good movie
20090110 03:39:34< Shadow_Master> phixxor: looks like you'll need at least the /data/tools tree
20090110 03:39:58< Shadow_Master> so, um, yeah. I think.
20090110 03:40:00< phixxor> can I download that separately
20090110 03:40:13< Shadow_Master> checking...
20090110 03:40:17< phixxor> thanks
20090110 03:40:57< Shadow_Master> um...
20090110 03:41:33< crimson_penguin> phixxor: season 2 of the new one
20090110 03:41:52< phixxor> haha I just finished season two, onto season three :)
20090110 03:42:58< Shadow_Master> phixxor: looks like. I could lend you the files, though
20090110 03:43:08< Shadow_Master> * looks like you can't download them separetely
20090110 03:43:15< phixxor> that would be great
20090110 03:43:24< phixxor> I have megabytes left on this drive...
20090110 03:44:31< Shadow_Master> packaging
20090110 03:45:02< phixxor> do you need an email or are you putting it up somewhere?
20090110 03:45:15< Shadow_Master> I'll upload them to my website's hidden tree
20090110 03:45:28< Shadow_Master> brb
20090110 03:45:31< phixxor> alright, thanks
20090110 03:45:48< AI0867> can't you just svn export https://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk/data/tools ?
20090110 03:46:06< phixxor> hmm, this mac may not have svn installed, I don't know
20090110 03:46:20< phixxor> nope, I have it :)
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20090110 03:47:44< phixxor> that didn't quite work either: svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/wesnoth/trunk/data/tools': could not connect to server (https://svn.gna.org)
20090110 03:48:13< AI0867> gna broken again?
20090110 03:48:41< AI0867> to use svn+ssh you need developer access though...
20090110 03:48:43< Shadow_Master> dddhey, I was about to upload...
20090110 03:48:51< Espreon> Try svn://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/trunk/data/tools/
20090110 03:49:03< Espreon> I have to use that to get it to co.
20090110 03:49:07< phixxor> by all means, upload :)
20090110 03:49:12< phixxor> I'll try these too
20090110 03:49:57< phixxor> thanks Espreon, that one worked
20090110 03:49:58 * crimson_penguin is done
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20090110 03:50:15< Espreon> phixxor: You are welcome.
20090110 03:50:16< phixxor> is this the version of tools I need? or are they interchangable?
20090110 03:50:23< Shadow_Master> no.
20090110 03:50:34< phixxor> no to both?
20090110 03:50:39< phixxor> heh
20090110 03:50:43< Shadow_Master> and it si not the correct version. The trunk  wmllint was mangled, nad it won't work with 0.x or 1.0.x or 1.2.x addons
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20090110 03:51:07< phixxor> alright, I'll wait on your package then
20090110 03:51:19< crimson_penguin> phixxor: uhhh, I did include all of data/ so, probably tools is in there actually
20090110 03:51:49< phixxor> hooray
20090110 03:52:07< Shadow_Master> :)_
20090110 03:52:19< crimson_penguin> right/control click on the program, Show Package Contents
20090110 03:52:34< crimson_penguin> should be in Contents/Resources/data/
20090110 03:52:53< Shadow_Master> why... dr... who... grr...
20090110 03:52:59< phixxor> alright, unpacking the .dmg now
20090110 03:53:32< Shadow_Master> kill... penguin...
20090110 03:53:41< phixxor> cool, nice trick with the option - editor
20090110 03:53:44< phixxor> I didn't know that could be done
20090110 03:53:45< crimson_penguin> Shadow_Master: what, because it made me not read what tools you were talking about? :)
20090110 03:53:54< crimson_penguin> thanks
20090110 03:54:47< crimson_penguin> it's quite a hack - I compiled both sources into one binary, and used a macro to give the editor's main function a different name, then from Objective-C it chooses which main function to run
20090110 03:54:57< Shadow_Master> http://shadowm.nfshost.com/package/
20090110 03:55:15< AI0867> Shadow_Master: ah, right, he needs the 1.4 wmllint
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20090110 03:55:28< Shadow_Master> I hope anyone can use them for something. Otherwise, they make quite a nice decoration in my site
20090110 03:55:34< Shadow_Master> :D
20090110 03:55:40< crimson_penguin> :D
20090110 03:55:42< crimson_penguin> sorry!
20090110 03:55:47< Shadow_Master> :D
20090110 03:55:50< Shadow_Master> D:<
20090110 03:56:00< AI0867> phixxor: that's svn://svn.gna.org/svn/wesnoth/branches/1.4/data/tools/
20090110 03:56:16< crimson_penguin> Shadow_Master: oh, I came up with another excuse too - this was my... well, 3rd binary (in recent history)
20090110 03:56:32< Shadow_Master> oh.
20090110 03:56:50< crimson_penguin> one of them was 1.4, this was the 2nd 1.5
20090110 03:57:32< Shadow_Master> kk
20090110 03:57:39< Shadow_Master> I'll now go to sleep...
20090110 03:57:54< crimson_penguin> previous to that I think I did somewhere in the 0.8 line or something...
20090110 03:58:04< crimson_penguin> k, goodnight Shadow_Master - sorry for thwarting you twice
20090110 03:58:06< Turuk> k, night SL er, SM :P
20090110 03:58:17< Shadow_Master> Turuk...
20090110 03:58:27< Turuk> sorry! I cannot type, I'm tired
20090110 03:58:29< crimson_penguin> SL?
20090110 03:58:31< Turuk> they are right next to each other
20090110 03:58:37< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: long story.
20090110 03:58:59< AI0867> Turuk: like "hi guys" and "YOU ALL SUCK ...."
20090110 03:59:04< AI0867> ?
20090110 03:59:27< Turuk> hmm? AI0867, what are you talking about?
20090110 03:59:34< AI0867> bash quotes =P
20090110 03:59:38< Turuk> ahh yes
20090110 04:00:00< Turuk> they go hand in hand :P
20090110 04:01:37< crimson_penguin> heh
20090110 04:02:47 * crimson_penguin goes to watch more Dr. Who
20090110 04:03:31< phixxor> so the stable version of wesnoth is 1.4, right? then the wmllint in there would be the 1.4 one
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20090110 04:08:26< phixxor> how do I find out what version of wesnoth this campaign was written for
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20090110 04:08:39< phixxor> so I can use python wmllint --oldversion=1.3.4 path\to\files
20090110 04:09:12< phixxor> (and does it really require the path in forward slashes?)
20090110 04:12:39< phixxor> I took a guess and used 1.0, $ python wmllint --oldversion=1.0 ~/Dropbox/tobelinted/
20090110 04:12:39< phixxor> wmllint: unrecognized version.
20090110 04:14:48< phixxor> just dropped the --oldversion, it's running now
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20090110 05:29:12< phixxor> Erg, I'm getting "Error: Unknown scenario" when I start up my campaign.
20090110 05:30:41< Turuk> hmm
20090110 05:30:58< Turuk> copy the files into pastebin?
20090110 05:31:07< Turuk> your main.cfg and the .cfg for the first scenario
20090110 05:31:12< phixxor> alright
20090110 05:31:25< Turuk> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/
20090110 05:33:16< phixxor> _main.cfg: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/mecea611
20090110 05:34:43< phixxor> first scenario: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m478dd58a
20090110 05:37:01< Turuk> aright, give me a minute
20090110 05:37:07< phixxor> kk
20090110 05:37:24< phixxor> I just realized, none of the translatable lines have _ in front of them yet
20090110 05:40:14< Turuk> one step at a time ;)
20090110 05:41:36< Turuk> ok, I changed the main.cfg
20090110 05:41:42< Turuk> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m4eb37f85
20090110 05:41:44< Turuk> try that and run it
20090110 05:41:49< Turuk> I bet it won't work yet, but that's ok
20090110 05:42:04< Turuk> just make sure it gives you the same error
20090110 05:44:10< phixxor> alright
20090110 05:46:17< phixxor> yes, same error
20090110 05:46:43< Turuk> ok goodie
20090110 05:47:25< phixxor> that means those unit things weren't causing that particular error :)
20090110 05:47:47< phixxor> wait a sec
20090110 05:48:18< phixxor> I had messed around with capitalization, when I change it to "capture_the_flag" it gives me a map not found error
20090110 05:48:52< Turuk> it's using the wrong map data
20090110 05:48:58< Turuk> er, wrong way to look for the map
20090110 05:49:05< Turuk> what is the file title for the map for the first scenario?
20090110 05:49:15< phixxor> flagcourse.map
20090110 05:49:17< Turuk> ok
20090110 05:50:00< Turuk> try this
20090110 05:50:00< Turuk> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m56247cc4
20090110 05:50:02< Turuk> and I will brb
20090110 05:50:08< phixxor> alright
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20090110 05:54:02< phixxor> hey it starts :)
20090110 05:54:41< Turuk> tada :)
20090110 05:54:55< Turuk> I cannot vouch that it will work well as I did not check all the scenario code
20090110 05:54:58< Turuk> but that will get you going
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20090110 05:55:15< phixxor> yeah
20090110 05:55:34< phixxor> thanks. I should have compared this scenario with another working one
20090110 05:55:44< phixxor> I thought wmllint would have gotten it up to speed :P
20090110 05:56:24< Turuk> haha it's ok
20090110 05:56:34< Turuk> if it makes you feel better, I help people with this exact problem a lot
20090110 05:56:46< phixxor> heh, thanks
20090110 05:56:48< Turuk> getting their campaign to start up/work properly seems to trip up a lot of people
20090110 05:57:16< phixxor> because the problem is hard to pinpoint
20090110 05:57:29< phixxor> for someone who is just stumbling into wesnoth
20090110 05:57:38< phixxor> :)
20090110 05:58:45< Turuk> yup ;)
20090110 05:58:55< Turuk> it happened to me, it took me a while to even just grasp WML
20090110 05:59:02< Turuk> and I still do not compare to many of those who create with it
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20090110 06:22:25< phixxor> now the next problem was that none of the messages included names of characters
20090110 06:22:53< phixxor> saying things like "gifted gryphlet" when the character's name was neliflua
20090110 06:23:07< phixxor> I'm hoping to fix this by adding user_description=""
20090110 06:23:21< phixxor> to the [unit] tags
20090110 06:26:55< Turuk> hmm yeah, that would probably work
20090110 06:27:08< Turuk> that WML was very very dated
20090110 06:31:52< Turuk> and with that, later all
20090110 06:40:12< phixxor> heh, I'm afraid I'll get it to work, but not know enough about WML to notice things that are still outdated
20090110 06:52:04< phixxor> Turuk: is it possible to display the objectives before dialogue starts?
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20090110 07:24:07< phixxor> alright the first scenario is all done
20090110 07:24:34< phixxor> time to fall asleep watching tv
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20090110 08:26:31< mnharris> Hello all
20090110 08:27:12< mnharris> The great thing about Wesnoth is the multinational character means there is always someone up to check my WML!
20090110 08:29:51< mnharris> Or maybe not!
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20090110 08:35:54< mnharris> Hey Ivanovic
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20090110 09:04:16< mnharris> I wish I knew what all this WML meant. I don't believe I actually need to use binary paths if I am using only standard units, but...
20090110 09:05:23< mnharris> Which probably shows I don't know what I am talking about
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20090110 17:15:36< Thrawnwesnoth> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23614
20090110 17:15:38< Thrawnwesnoth> wow
20090110 17:16:03< Turuk> ah
20090110 17:16:11< Turuk> but when it's one of the first threads you see in the morning
20090110 17:16:17< Turuk> hilarity to start your day
20090110 17:16:21< Thrawnwesnoth> yeah
20090110 17:16:23< Thrawnwesnoth> true
20090110 17:20:17< Shadow_Master> wow
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20090110 19:00:12< Woland> heil
20090110 19:00:38< Woland> help please. I don't understand what have i to do to control ghosts
20090110 19:01:06< Turuk> control them how? they should work for you like any other unit
20090110 19:01:38< Woland> they drops my control
20090110 19:01:56< Ken_Oh> uhhhhhh
20090110 19:01:59< Woland> and becomes an enemy units
20090110 19:02:14< Turuk> ?
20090110 19:02:17< Woland> version 1.4
20090110 19:02:17< Turuk> what are you playing?
20090110 19:02:40< Rrenys> DiD
20090110 19:02:44< Rrenys> i would suppose
20090110 19:02:57< Rrenys> scenario 3
20090110 19:03:01< Woland> campaing fall to darkness(?)
20090110 19:03:07< Turuk> ah yes
20090110 19:03:54< Woland> is it a feature of this campaing?
20090110 19:04:11< Woland> or it is a feature of ghosts?
20090110 19:04:16< Turuk> yup, their inherent disloyalty to you
20090110 19:04:19< Turuk> a campaign feature
20090110 19:04:22< Rrenys> Just that scenario
20090110 19:04:30< Shadow_Master_> you are supposed to kill the rebel ghosts
20090110 19:04:35< Shadow_Master_> as soon as possible
20090110 19:04:57< Woland> and i cann't prevent such behaviour?
20090110 19:05:48< zookeeper> well, they stop rebelling as soon as you beat them all, so if you'd have done as you were told and killed the first rebel ASAP then it would have been over sooner ;)
20090110 19:06:10< Woland> thanks )
20090110 19:06:27< Woland> with volk's advices it looks like i need to be higher level(?)
20090110 19:06:57< Woland> or be near to ghosts to control them
20090110 19:07:01< Shadow_Master_> no.
20090110 19:07:06< Shadow_Master_> just *kill* the rebels
20090110 19:07:10< Woland> ok
20090110 19:07:46< zookeeper> well, sure it might be impossible to kill the rebel quickly if you had just moved it somewhere far away, which i suppose can easily happen
20090110 19:07:46< Shadow_Master_> if necromancers controlled their minions by stepping by their side, then many conflicts created by undead in Wesnoth would simply be impossible.
20090110 19:08:05< Shadow_Master_> I just kill the rebels with more ghosts though
20090110 19:12:56< Ken_Oh> that scenario is just one of those ones where it's painfully easy after you've played it once
20090110 19:14:43< zookeeper> yeah. i guess the rebel ghost could initially just freeze for a turn before starting to attack you or something, and to have the interval before the next one rebels be longer (at least on easy), etc
20090110 19:16:05< zookeeper> i really wouldn't mind if we had some other general WML people to implement that sort of mainline tweaks.
20090110 19:17:31< Ken_Oh> there should be a bug track just for WML stuff like that, devs can submit stuff they don't feel like doing at the moment and others could submit code
20090110 19:19:03< zookeeper> well the bug tracker could be used for that. i'm just usually too lazy to even open up my wesnoth-todo.txt and write issues there, so... :p
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20090110 19:48:34< MeszarosTomi> hello
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20090110 19:51:26< Thrawnwesnoth> hi
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20090110 20:25:43< rsk> helo thar
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20090110 20:31:01< rski> http://pastebin.ca/1305309
20090110 20:31:05< rski> ruskie@ruskie-desktop:~/wesnoth-1.5.7/fonts$ ls
20090110 20:31:05< rski> COPYING  DejaVuSans.ttf  sazanami-gothic.ttf  wqy-zenhei-gb2312.ttf
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20090110 20:36:40< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090110 20:37:21< Soliton> Data directory: /usr/local/share/wesnoth
20090110 20:37:38< Soliton> use ./wesnoth .
20090110 20:37:55< rski> that's what i did
20090110 20:38:07< rski> not a . on the end thou
20090110 20:38:08< Soliton> use "./wesnoth ."
20090110 20:38:09< rski> let me try
20090110 20:38:45< rski> same result
20090110 20:39:32< Soliton> ... use "./wesnoth <path to the data dir>"
20090110 20:41:39< rski> works when i make installed it
20090110 20:41:40< rski> weird
20090110 20:41:59< Soliton> not at all.
20090110 20:42:09< Soliton> it was looking for the data in the installed location.
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20090110 21:20:23< mnharris> Hello all
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20090110 21:20:58< Thrawn> hi
20090110 21:21:34< mnharris> Am I allowed to ask questions that I should know the answer to here?
20090110 21:21:41< mnharris> Or should I confine that to the forums?
20090110 21:22:15< Soliton> well, you can't do much worse than asking meta questions, i guess. ;-)
20090110 21:22:47< mnharris> haha!
20090110 21:23:01< mnharris> So, do you know what I have found the hardest part of WML?
20090110 21:23:07< mnharris> I don't know which parts of it are mandatory.
20090110 21:23:49< mnharris> Like, what actually has to be in the campaign .cfg file? If I am just working on a single scenario campaign with no custom units, is the WML parser going to choke up if I don't have text-domain tags?
20090110 21:24:40< Soliton> since text-domain stuff is for translations i doubt it is mandatory.
20090110 21:25:41< mnharris> Because I am trying to put together a campaign, and when I do, it gives me a message about ALL my add-ons having errors and not being able to be loaded. Is it a problem with this:
20090110 21:26:13< Soliton> the first add-on with errors will cause all successive add-ons to error out as well.
20090110 21:27:44< mnharris> Do I need a [binary path] tag in there if I am not yet using custom binaries?
20090110 21:28:08< mnharris> #ifdef FORWARD_THEY_CRIED
20090110 21:28:08< mnharris> {@campaigns/Forward_They_Cried/}
20090110 21:28:08< mnharris> #endif
20090110 21:28:18< mnharris> Does that look like it should?
20090110 21:28:32< Ivanovic> hi
20090110 21:28:42< Soliton> sure.
20090110 21:29:26< mnharris> What could it be?
20090110 21:29:27< mnharris> hmmm
20090110 21:29:52< zookeeper> pastebin the contents of the whole file
20090110 21:30:29< zookeeper> and no, no top-level tag is mandatory. you can even omit your [campaign] if you want to ;)
20090110 21:30:55< mnharris> Of my entire .cfg file? Ah, and stupid question, what is "pastebin"?
20090110 21:31:14< zookeeper> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/
20090110 21:31:27< zookeeper> a handy way of showing a larger piece of code to others on irc.
20090110 21:32:04< mnharris> pastebinned
20090110 21:32:07< zookeeper> post your code there, then paste the url here
20090110 21:32:18< mnharris> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m4a9dba05
20090110 21:32:28< zookeeper> ok
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20090110 21:33:12< Turuk> zookeeper, does it have to be {@campaigns/Forward_They_Cried/scenarios}?
20090110 21:33:16< zookeeper> take a look at some existing campaigns' files. 1) you're not closing your [campaign] tag at all, 2) you're putting [binary_path] inside it, whereas [binary_path] is supposed to go inside no other tag
20090110 21:33:18< Turuk> or is that last part unnecessary
20090110 21:33:32< Soliton> depends on where he put his files.
20090110 21:33:38< zookeeper> yeah
20090110 21:33:43< Turuk> ah, thanks,
20090110 21:33:50 * Turuk has learned yet another new thing.
20090110 21:33:51< Soliton> but usually people use scenarios/ yes.
20090110 21:34:18< Soliton> that statement just means parse everything in that dir.
20090110 21:34:23< zookeeper> a [scenario] is a top-level tag, so they go inside no other tag too. so you need your scenarios include to be outside your [campaign] tag.
20090110 21:35:20< zookeeper> remember that a WML include works just like copypasting would; the contents of the file you include (or of all the .cfg files in a dir if you include a whole dir) just get copypasted to that location, nothing else.
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20090110 21:38:13< mnharris> Oh, okay, now I am getting a different error message.
20090110 21:38:30< mnharris> It says it can't find the first scenario, but that could also mean that the first scenario has an error in it, right?
20090110 21:38:43< zookeeper> maybe
20090110 21:39:02< zookeeper> or your first scenario doesn't have id=Forward
20090110 21:39:28< mnharris> It does
20090110 21:39:32< mnharris> should I pastebin that, too?
20090110 21:39:45< mnharris> There are a few things in there that I think I might have gotten wrong
20090110 21:39:55< mnharris> like ai_special=guardian
20090110 21:39:59< mnharris> I don't think that is right
20090110 21:41:03< zookeeper> it is. at least if it's in the right place ;)
20090110 21:41:06< Soliton> if it can't find the first scenario that means just that.. it can't find the first scenario.
20090110 21:41:52< Turuk> mnharris if you put your main.cfg and the .cfg for the first scenario up on pastebin now, I will have a look if you like :P
20090110 21:42:05< zookeeper> i gotta go afk anyway, good luck ;)
20090110 21:43:06< mnharris> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m700c50f3
20090110 21:43:51< Turuk> is the updated main.cfg there as well?
20090110 21:43:53< Soliton> where is the cfg of scenario Forward?
20090110 21:44:22 * Soliton bets in a subdir scenarios...
20090110 21:44:53< Turuk> ugh, map data in .cfg
20090110 21:45:09< mnharris> it is in ~mnharris/.wesnoth/data/campaigns/Forward_They_Cried/scenarios/
20090110 21:45:18< Soliton> well, you didn't include it.
20090110 21:45:32< Soliton> {@campaigns/Forward_They_Cried/} is not recursive.
20090110 21:45:46< Soliton> it includes everything in that dir not all subdirs.
20090110 21:45:51< mnharris> Yeah, I saw that other files had done that. Is that not optimal? It would be easy enough to move it out, but easier to keep it in for now
20090110 21:46:10< Soliton> either move it or change that include.
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20090110 21:46:27< mnharris> what should I change the include to?
20090110 21:46:37< Soliton> {@campaigns/Forward_They_Cried/scenarios/}
20090110 21:47:41< mnharris> oh, okay, I had a typo
20090110 21:47:50< mnharris> I always think it is something complicated, and it is always a typo
20090110 21:48:31< mnharris> nope, that is not it
20090110 21:48:42< mnharris> In fact, that brought back the errors that killed all my addons
20090110 21:48:56< Soliton> well, what error is that?
20090110 21:49:05< Soliton> i doubt it's the same.
20090110 21:50:15< Soliton> (the error goes also to stderr so you can copy from there.)
20090110 21:51:02< mnharris> ah, better to start it from the command line
20090110 21:51:03< mnharris> ooops
20090110 21:51:05< mnharris> That is it
20090110 21:51:14< mnharris> missing closing tag on [side]
20090110 21:54:10< mnharris> Haha, thanks for your help everyone
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20090110 22:06:23< mnharris> Okay, it loads now!
20090110 22:07:17< Turuk> tada :)
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20090110 22:12:42< mnharris> There is so much obvious things I should know. Like there is no human unit called "Archer"
20090110 22:15:19< Noyga> it is called "Bowman"
20090110 22:16:10< mnharris> I know
20090110 22:16:14< mnharris> How could I miss that?
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20090110 22:18:41< mnharris> okay, my scenario kind of works, I will work on it more later
20090110 22:18:49< mnharris> Thank you for everyone's help!
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20090110 23:51:54< FreakGuard> where to report bugs?
20090110 23:52:04< zookeeper> here
20090110 23:53:05< FreakGuard> Map LOW-Ka'lian under attack (3. map) cannot be loaded
20090110 23:53:19< FreakGuard> ... saved games seem to be broken
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20090110 23:54:06< FreakGuard> "Attempt to create a unit on the recall list for side 2, which does not have a recall list."
20090110 23:54:36< FreakGuard> perhaps due to the dwarfs in the earlier scenario, which allied just by scripting and not by default (and just for this map)
20090110 23:55:52< zookeeper> there's been a lot of bugs in LoW and the maintainers have been doing quite a lot of work on it. what version do you have, 1.5.7?
20090110 23:56:12< FreakGuard> jup
20090110 23:57:23< zookeeper> looks like that one's been reported: http://gna.org/bugs/?12813
20090110 23:58:23< FreakGuard> hm
20090110 23:58:27< FreakGuard> any idea how to hack it?
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