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20090111 00:01:26< zookeeper> no, not really. LoW is one of the few campaigns i don't dabble in at all.
20090111 00:02:12< Soliton> remove the [player] part.
20090111 00:02:26< Soliton> (from the savegame)
20090111 00:02:34< zookeeper> but there's nothing Soliton can't handle apparently!
20090111 00:06:11< Soliton> the same thing happens when you :droid a side and go to the next scenario which i've done a couple of times.
20090111 00:08:03< FreakGuard> Soliton, removed the player part of the dawrfs, but didn't work
20090111 00:08:48< Soliton> it might be there twice, double check you remove it all.
20090111 00:12:21< FreakGuard> didn't work
20090111 00:13:21< Soliton> post the file.
20090111 00:14:35< FreakGuard> is there a pastebin big enought? :)
20090111 00:15:20< Turuk> wesnoth.pastebin.org
20090111 00:15:26< Turuk> no matter what you have, it ain't big enough ;)
20090111 00:15:44< Turuk> *.com
20090111 00:15:57 * Turuk has spent too much time on wesnoth.org
20090111 00:16:26< Soliton> well, use something else than pastebin.
20090111 00:16:33< FreakGuard> Soliton, like?
20090111 00:16:45< FreakGuard> got an ftp somewhere? :)
20090111 00:16:56< Soliton> google, attach it to a forum post or whatever.
20090111 00:16:59< FreakGuard> (or webdav)
20090111 00:17:49< zookeeper> or filebin
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20090111 00:18:51< FreakGuard> http://filebin.ca/zwhukh/LOW-Kalian_under_attack-Auto-Save1.gz
20090111 00:18:56< FreakGuard> zookeeper, nice tipp
20090111 00:21:47< FreakGuard> Soliton, there is your file
20090111 00:22:43< Soliton> remove the [unit]s with side="2".
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20090111 00:24:14< FreakGuard> may I also delete the whole [side] 2?
20090111 00:25:19< FreakGuard> hm... better not :)
20090111 00:26:13< Soliton> no, you should also not delete the elvish unit with side="2".
20090111 00:27:03< zookeeper> play some other campaign :p?
20090111 00:27:18< FreakGuard> Soliton, got that too :)
20090111 00:27:18< Soliton> the complete constraints are: side="2" and off map coordinates (recall list).
20090111 00:27:22< FreakGuard> works now :D
20090111 00:27:33< FreakGuard> zookeeper, all done
20090111 00:27:35< Soliton> yeah, it's annoying to fix.
20090111 00:27:47< Soliton> and it shouldn't be a fatal error to begin with...
20090111 00:31:34< FreakGuard> I assume the map before that one is a bit unclean
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20090111 00:33:48< Soliton> i think the dwarven side is supposed to be remembered because you meet them again but the game doesn't support that.
20090111 00:34:08< Soliton> well, maybe it works when you play it through in one go.
20090111 00:36:37< Soliton> even a general macro that does that...
20090111 00:36:38< FreakGuard> hm
20090111 00:38:16< Soliton> zookeeper: can't you just store a side some way instead of making it persistent?
20090111 00:39:14< zookeeper> i guess you could
20090111 00:39:29< Soliton> making a side persistent that is not used in the next scenario is just asking for trouble IMO.
20090111 00:41:28< FreakGuard> hm... got a spam mail asking me to send my (physical) adress to an email... someone got someone he doesn't like? XD
20090111 00:41:41< zookeeper> Soliton, that's probably possible to do.
20090111 00:41:57< zookeeper> i'm off now, though.
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20090111 00:42:13< Ivanovic> n8
20090111 00:43:24< FreakGuard> well, have a nice night
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20090111 01:32:42< phixxor> hey Turuk, for that trick with editing scenarios one at a time
20090111 01:32:49< Turuk> yes?
20090111 01:33:04< phixxor> do you change the main.cfg to point to the next scenario you want to test?
20090111 01:33:26< Turuk> no, because at that point the first scenario should be working
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20090111 01:33:40< Turuk> so just include the proper line in the first scenario to indicate the game should go to the next scenario
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20090111 01:33:58< Turuk> next_scenario=
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20090111 01:34:10< phixxor> and then play through the scenario all the way and progress naturally?
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20090111 01:35:18< Turuk> yup
20090111 01:35:37< Turuk> and since you have it saved near the end (autosave) you can work on getting the second scenario to work, start at the end of the first, and move on
20090111 01:35:52< phixxor> ah, I get it now
20090111 01:35:53< phixxor> thanks
20090111 01:35:53< Turuk> that way you do not have to play through the whole campaign each time
20090111 01:35:57< phixxor> yeah
20090111 01:35:57< Turuk> not a problem :)
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20090111 01:40:23< phixxor> I think the main things i have to change are just the objectives, user description, map location, and make it translatable
20090111 01:40:45< Turuk> not a bad start then
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20090111 01:46:20< phixxor> Turuk: can I change the filenames of the scenarios and maps?
20090111 01:46:30< phixxor> I know where to alter the map path,
20090111 01:46:35< Turuk> yeah, you can change them to whatever you like, as long as they all match
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20090111 01:46:51< Turuk> match meaning what you told the WML to look for and the actual file name
20090111 01:47:10< phixxor> ok
20090111 01:47:21< phixxor> so where in the wml does it look for scenario files?
20090111 01:47:47< Turuk> when you define the id
20090111 01:47:59< Turuk> id=02_Second_Scenario
20090111 01:48:17< Turuk> so the second scenario should be saved as Second_Scenario.cfg in the Scenarios folder
20090111 01:48:25< Turuk> (obviously you can use whatever title you wish)
20090111 01:48:31< phixxor> alright, yeah
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20090111 02:13:41< Shadow_Master_> Sapient: /quit
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20090111 02:14:27< phixxor> I am noticing a problem tnough
20090111 02:14:34< phixxor> I can't undo my actions in the scenarios
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20090111 02:15:27< phixxor> that can't be right
20090111 02:17:46< phixxor> anybody know what would cause that?
20090111 02:24:33< Turuk> if shroud is on
20090111 02:24:36< Turuk> you cannot undo moves
20090111 02:24:42< Turuk> unless you have delay shroud update
20090111 02:27:33< phixxor> hmm this level doesn't have a shroud that I can tell
20090111 02:28:10< Turuk> hmm so no fog
20090111 02:28:21< Turuk> pastebin the code?
20090111 02:28:35< phixxor> k
20090111 02:29:39< phixxor> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m732290be
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20090111 02:31:49 * Turuk shrugs
20090111 02:31:57< Turuk> I will keep looking but I am unsure why it does that
20090111 02:32:20< phixxor> alright
20090111 02:32:28< phixxor> I'll try playing another campaign
20090111 02:32:36< phixxor> see if I'm the problem
20090111 02:34:10< phixxor> haha, it works fine on httt
20090111 02:35:05< Turuk> hmm strange then
20090111 02:37:17< phixxor> could _main.cfg have anything to do with it?
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20090111 02:45:13< Turuk> I do not think so
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20090111 03:13:24< phixxor> now I'm getting unknown unit type "Zolpha"
20090111 03:13:43< phixxor> even though "units/Zolpha.cfg" exists
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20090111 03:14:44< Turuk> I would look at zolpha.cfg
20090111 03:14:49< phixxor> I'm going to try putting that unit stuff back in the _main.cfg file
20090111 03:14:52< Turuk> and make sure it is written correctly
20090111 03:15:08< phixxor> the funny thing is
20090111 03:15:17< phixxor> I didn't get this error before
20090111 03:15:25< phixxor> it worked the first time
20090111 03:16:42< phixxor> eh, i'm getting unknown unit type for everything now...
20090111 03:18:42< Turuk> that's strange
20090111 03:18:57< Turuk> maybe it no longer knows where your wesnoth is :P
20090111 03:19:01< Turuk> all they all custom units?
20090111 03:20:07< phixxor> yes
20090111 03:20:26< phixxor> I started a new campaign, it's giving me errors I am investigating...
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20090111 03:20:33< Turuk> it must not be looking in the units folder anymore then
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20090111 03:21:47< oOarthurOo> Hi... I'm having some recent trouble with playing wesnoth multiplayer... I'm either lagging real bad or dc'ing... can't tell which. I've aptitude purged wesnoth and deleted the settings in ~/.wesnoth  reinstalled. Still happening. While waiting I am constantly reloading google and monitoring my net status and all is well with my connection.
20090111 03:21:53< oOarthurOo> Any ideas what might be happening?
20090111 03:22:02< oOarthurOo> None of the other players are experiencing a problem
20090111 03:23:03< phixxor> if it is recent
20090111 03:23:17< phixxor> it sounds like something else on your computer/connection is interfering
20090111 03:23:27< phixxor> I have no idea what though..
20090111 03:24:46< phixxor> Turuk: does quoted string not terminated mean I left off a closing " somewhere?
20090111 03:25:06< Turuk> possibly yes, what is the exact error?
20090111 03:25:13< oOarthurOo> I'm playing a game now... and I waited longer than every before... and the game seems to be progressing normally. Perhaps I am just having a first turn bug? I thought I read something about that.
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20090111 03:26:15< phixxor> ^Quoted string not terminated at /filepath/03_Canyon_Race.cfg:1063 included from /filepath/_main.cfg:51
20090111 03:26:18< phixxor> is the first error
20090111 03:26:28< phixxor> and it's odd because canyon race has 1062 lines
20090111 03:27:36< Turuk> look at line 51?
20090111 03:27:45< phixxor> in _main.cfg, kk
20090111 03:28:35< phixxor> line 51 is {@campaigns/Gryphon_Tale/scenarios}
20090111 03:29:15< phixxor> ah I think I may have found one problem
20090111 03:29:22< Turuk> which is?
20090111 03:29:23< phixxor> message= _ Five weeks later."
20090111 03:29:26< phixxor> should be message= _ "Five weeks later."
20090111 03:29:46< Turuk> give it a try
20090111 03:30:34< phixxor> haha, no errors, new campaign starts sucessfully
20090111 03:30:45< phixxor> whew
20090111 03:30:57< Turuk> tada :) often a small error
20090111 03:31:06< Turuk> was that line 51 in that scenario file?
20090111 03:31:36< phixxor> no, that was a line in the middle of the scenario file
20090111 03:31:42< phixxor> um
20090111 03:31:46< phixxor> actually, let me check
20090111 03:32:20< phixxor> nope, not 51
20090111 03:33:48< Turuk> hmm ok, well then, it at least told you something was wrong in your scenarios file ;)
20090111 03:33:57< phixxor> haha yeah
20090111 03:34:08< phixxor> I think since I had an open string
20090111 03:34:15< phixxor> it looked all the way to the end to close it
20090111 03:34:41< phixxor> so since it didn't find a " by the end (line 1062) it said the error was at 1063
20090111 03:40:02< Turuk> most likely, it tends to be helpful like that
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20090111 03:58:18< phixxor> heh, the main character doesn't seem to have any attributes under alignment
20090111 03:58:25< phixxor> no intelligent, no quick or strong
20090111 03:58:31< phixxor> that can't be right
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20090111 04:02:07< phixxor> how do I give her those?
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20090111 04:12:16< Turuk> check out how it is done with the other units
20090111 04:12:28< phixxor> kk
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20090111 04:14:37< Turuk>  [modifications]
20090111 04:14:37< Turuk>             {TRAIT_RESILIENT}
20090111 04:14:37< Turuk>             {TRAIT_INTELLIGENT}
20090111 04:14:37< Turuk>         [/modifications]
20090111 04:14:51< Turuk> is an easy way to pick the traits you would like for the leader
20090111 04:15:10< Turuk> you can put it under the side tag
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20090111 05:16:08< phixxor> thanks
20090111 05:16:38< phixxor> hmm I wonder what the traits were in the original
20090111 05:16:50< phixxor> I don't know if the third scenario is beatable without quick
20090111 05:18:23< phixxor> in the original file, the other gryphlets have the modifications tag
20090111 05:18:31< phixxor> but the main character still does not
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20090111 05:29:02< Turuk> I would give it quick then
20090111 05:29:13< phixxor> haha alright
20090111 05:29:23< phixxor> if it messes with balance I can always change it back
20090111 05:29:38< Turuk> yeah, it's bet to get it working first and then worry on balance
20090111 05:29:47< phixxor> I'm still curious why it isn't automatically assigned traits though
20090111 05:29:49< phixxor> it has none
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20090111 05:30:54< phixxor> hmm
20090111 05:30:59< phixxor> Konrad doesn't have any either
20090111 05:31:01< phixxor> in httt
20090111 05:31:22< phixxor> maybe leaders don't have them
20090111 05:31:48< phixxor> it could be I'm just not good enough at winning this scenario :)
20090111 05:32:01< Turuk> well you could always give them a trait if it helps
20090111 05:32:11< phixxor> alright
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20090111 05:39:54< governor> by default leaders dont get traits (IIRC)
20090111 05:40:29< phixxor> thanks
20090111 05:40:32< phixxor> yeah it seems that way
20090111 05:42:40< phixxor> Turuk: if I put the traits for the leader in the side tag of the first campaign, do I have to do it again for all the other scenarios also?
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20090111 05:53:15< Turuk> no, it should last all the way through
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20090111 10:10:58< mnharris> Hello everyone
20090111 10:11:03< mnharris> Putting together scenarios is hard!
20090111 10:11:28< mnharris> I wonder if I should try to get things to work better, or if I should congratulate myself with some chocolate and go to bed?
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20090111 10:15:01< mnharris> Hello mordocai
20090111 10:15:15< mordocai> Hello
20090111 10:15:40< Ivanovic> moin
20090111 10:31:38< mnharris> Ah, it mostly works
20090111 10:31:43< mnharris> besides time schedule
20090111 10:31:56< mnharris> and the opening dialog
20090111 10:35:18< mnharris> Tomorrow, I think, tomorrow
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20090111 14:57:18< lu_zero> hi
20090111 14:57:33< rski> hello
20090111 14:57:49< lu_zero> anybody knows what's wrong with recruitment_pattern?
20090111 14:58:11< lu_zero> SX on 1.5 got the ia nonfunctional
20090111 14:58:22< lu_zero> and same happens in other scenarios
20090111 14:58:52< lu_zero> but Dark Forecast works fine and doesn't define a recruitment_pattern
20090111 14:59:01< Soliton> elaborate.
20090111 15:01:07< lu_zero> Soliton http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=16443&p=331606#p331606
20090111 15:01:17< lu_zero> that is the message I got in the log
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20090111 15:02:22< Soliton> well, did you do as it says?
20090111 15:04:17< lu_zero> where?
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20090111 15:06:07< lu_zero> Soliton I did a grep for that string and removed all the recruitment patterns =_=
20090111 15:06:19< lu_zero> sigh
20090111 15:06:27< lu_zero> found the real issue =_=
20090111 15:07:45< lu_zero> default isn't a valid ia? o_O
20090111 15:10:34< Soliton> it's really called AI and nobody can answer your questions when you give no context.
20090111 15:12:13< lu_zero> Soliton fetch the Survival Extreme C.00, try to run it, check the message from the log and you'll see that complains about the ai algorithm and the recruitment_pattern 
20090111 15:12:47< lu_zero> the net result is not having an AI working
20090111 15:13:20< Shadow_Master> =_= <- four-eyed smiley
20090111 15:13:34< lu_zero> enough context?
20090111 15:14:12< Soliton> if i'd have nothing better to do, certainly.
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20090111 15:17:35< Rhonda> lu_zero: I would pester the Survival Extreme C.00 maintainer, doesn't sound like it's a general wesnoth bug but one in that addon campaign.
20090111 15:18:15< lu_zero> Rhonda well the wesnoth issue is not having a safe fallback
20090111 15:21:04< Rhonda> Still the error is in the wml of that campaign.
20090111 15:21:43< lu_zero> Rhonda reported to the author
20090111 15:22:40< Soliton> the message you posted so far has nothing to do with any fallbacks and isn't even an error just a hint for the author.
20090111 15:23:49< Rhonda> I didn't report anything to the author, I don't even know who the author is.
20090111 15:24:09< lu_zero> Rhonda, I already reported the issue
20090111 15:24:12< Rhonda> The campaign server can contain arbitrary user supplied content.
20090111 15:24:36< lu_zero> Soliton, I updated the message
20090111 15:25:00< Rhonda> Then you might want to wait for the fix instead of complaining in here again, where it's not really getting it fixed because neither me nor Soliton is the author - and not sure if he's around anyway, left alone I still don't know who it is.
20090111 15:26:15< lu_zero> Rhonda, what would be nice for wesnoth is set a fallback if the algo picked is wrong and/or complain louder about it
20090111 15:26:38< lu_zero> since the error wasn't shown on screen
20090111 15:26:53< lu_zero> but just the warning about removing the recruitment pattern
20090111 15:28:27< Soliton> yeah, that's true.
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20090111 15:43:01< Soliton> well, looks to me like ai_algorithm=default should work albeit being pointless.
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20090111 16:21:56< Soliton> lu_zero: the error about the default ai might be confusing but it will use default in that case still.
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20090111 17:45:32< Turuk> thespaceinvader, I promise I am not crazy
20090111 17:46:00< thespaceinvader> lol
20090111 17:46:02< Rrenys> They all do
20090111 17:46:26< Rrenys> And before you know it, theyre walking down the street screaming "I'm a hamster! I'm a hamster!"
20090111 17:47:04< zookeeper> tirimigatiritoutou tigareritou tebaruparirupei tiropirouy tediridoudurou!
20090111 17:47:38< Turuk> the hamster dance zookeeper?
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20090111 20:24:36< VurtualRuler98> What's the largest possible map that wesnoth can handle?
20090111 20:25:37< VurtualRuler98> Any coded limitation?
20090111 20:25:47< zookeeper> i'd guess not.
20090111 20:25:49< zookeeper> try it?
20090111 20:26:17< Jequ> someone made 1000x1000 maps, iirc
20090111 20:26:22< ilor> the editor has a hardcoded limit of 200 tiles each way, but it's not really enforced in the maps
20090111 20:26:38< ilor> anything above 100 by 100 will probably not work very fast though
20090111 20:29:03< DDR> (You have 1,000,000 tiles. The standard map is only about 1,200.)
20090111 20:31:21< Jequ> but I can't find any reason to make insanely large maps
20090111 20:31:48< zookeeper> well, large MP RPG scenarios.
20090111 20:32:01< zookeeper> brotherhood of light is 100x100, and it could easily be larger.
20090111 20:32:14< zookeeper> (hmm, at least IIRC it's 100x100)
20090111 20:32:23< Jequ> it is about 100x100
20090111 20:34:21< Jequ> Well... i could definitely try a 200x200 RPG map if someone had time and patience to create one
20090111 20:35:18< fendrin> Jequ: I did a 200x200 map
20090111 20:35:34< fendrin> for rpg 
20090111 20:35:49< Jequ> and is the RPG done?
20090111 20:35:56< fendrin> no, only the map
20090111 20:36:04< Jequ> :/
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20090111 20:37:34< Jequ> good luck with the project
20090111 20:39:41< DDR> Hey, does anyone know of an internet interruption? I can access wesnoth fine, load all the different parts of the site, but I cannot connect to google.com.
20090111 20:40:53< zookeeper> google banned you.
20090111 20:42:01< Jequ> google is... like fastest site for me
20090111 20:42:15< DDR> Microsoft's site will not work, either...
20090111 20:42:38< DDR> Most of my bookmarks are down... (all the ones I tried were)
20090111 20:42:40< Jequ> (why would one go to there) wierd :/
20090111 20:43:00< DDR> I opened up Internet Explorer to test if it was a firefox thing...
20090111 20:43:11< VurtualRuler98> Blame your ISP.
20090111 20:43:18< DDR> I probably will.
20090111 20:43:27< DDR> :/
20090111 20:43:30< VurtualRuler98> Also, google has a new logo for the tab apparently.
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20090111 20:44:20< DDR> I saw... I can't say I like the style, but it works OK.
20090111 20:46:03< VurtualRuler98> Wait, there was a debian security advisory related to wesnoth?
20090111 20:46:19< DDR> Wow... everything BUT wesnoth.org won't load. What a stroke of luck.
20090111 20:46:44< DDR> must be life telling me to work on wesnoth. *shrug*
20090111 20:47:17< VurtualRuler98> It's life wanting you to find out why wesnoth has the most searches from the Czech Republic.
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20090111 20:55:40< oOarthurOo> Hi... I'm still experiencing major lagging on the official stable server. Yesterday I reinstalled it and purged the ~/.wesnoth directory.
20090111 20:56:11< oOarthurOo> My internet is working fine... I'm browsing online and chatting here, but I'm currently waiting five minutes for my turn. When it finally starts I doubt anyone will still be there waiting.
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20090111 20:57:32< oOarthurOo> Ahh.... maybe it is because I am using 1.4.4... not 1.4.7?
20090111 20:59:48< VurtualRuler98> are you sure it isn't your turn?
20090111 21:00:12< oOarthurOo> heh... yeah. 
20090111 21:00:30< VurtualRuler98> I spent two hours waiting for a turn in a game against another guy, but nobody noticed it was my turn.
20090111 21:00:52< oOarthurOo> I don't think anyone would wait two hours in isar's cross.
20090111 21:01:03< VurtualRuler98> We all went off and did something else for a while, until someone pointed out it was my turn.
20090111 21:01:28< oOarthurOo> And when my turn finally does start, everyone moves rapidly (as if AI) and then about 4 chat lines appear saying things like "hurry up!" 
20090111 21:03:38< VurtualRuler98> uhm
20090111 21:03:50< VurtualRuler98> Most of it is normal I think, except for delayed chat.
20090111 21:04:00< VurtualRuler98> And the long-ness.
20090111 21:04:44< Soliton> try whether :nosaves helps.
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20090111 21:24:02< oOarthurOo> Soliton: It seems to have made a difference Soliton... thanks. I thought I disabled autosaves in preferences
20090111 21:24:13< Soliton> you can't.
20090111 21:24:31< Soliton> you'll have to issue that command each start.
20090111 21:24:56< Soliton> an what kind of drive is wesnoth installed?
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20090111 21:25:39< Soliton> oh, you're using linux.
20090111 21:26:02< Soliton> got your $HOME nfs mounted or something?
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20090111 21:32:28< oOarthurOo> Soliton: Nope. It's just a normal ext3 laptop harddrive.
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20090111 22:38:46< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090111 23:02:14< FreakGuard> just wondering: what are the difficulties level changing?
20090111 23:02:48< Soliton> difficulty!
20090111 23:03:21< Soliton> the other answer is "depends".
20090111 23:04:05< FreakGuard> some examples please :)
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20090111 23:04:17< VurtualRuler98> Probably things like gold you get, AI challenge-ness, units you can recruit, possibly even how the campaign plays
20090111 23:04:48< Soliton> yeah, mostly amount of gold the enemy and you get and how many turns you have.
20090111 23:05:08< Soliton> but in principal anything.
20090111 23:05:18< FreakGuard> hm
20090111 23:06:20< VurtualRuler98> In fact, you could probably have one campaign that becomes different ones, depending on difficulty.
20090111 23:06:34< VurtualRuler98> Under the burning suns on hard, the tutorial on easy, and some other one on medium.
20090111 23:07:16< zookeeper> player gold, enemy gold and some AI settings (like aggressiveness or how many units the AI likes to try to attack one unit with) are the settings used for controlling difficulty 90% of the time.
20090111 23:07:44< zookeeper> but yes, as they said, difficulty levels can be made to change _anything_.
20090111 23:08:01< JW1> even the player's gender?
20090111 23:08:08< JW1> (in real life)
20090111 23:08:19< AI0867> that feature hasn't been implemented yet
20090111 23:08:21< zookeeper> yes.
20090111 23:08:36< Soliton> it can display instructions...
20090111 23:08:45< JW1> lol
20090111 23:08:51< zookeeper> that'd be quite an easter egg indeed.
20090111 23:09:10< Soliton> a killer feature in certain communities.
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