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20090113 02:14:03< law_> !seen Becephalus
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20090113 02:18:11< phixxor> Turuk: is there a way of testing each scenario without having to play through it all the way?
20090113 02:18:36< Turuk> did you try my save idea? ah well, hmm
20090113 02:18:50< Turuk> to test the events firing, you would have to play through it to activate them
20090113 02:18:57< Turuk> but you can always use debug mode to speed things up
20090113 02:19:08< phixxor> what is this... debug mode?
20090113 02:19:30< Turuk> type in :debug into the command line
20090113 02:19:36< Turuk> there's actually a section in help about it in game
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20090113 02:29:51< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090113 02:31:49< phixxor> hmm is there a way with objectives to display custom outcomes, different than victory or defeat?
20090113 02:32:11< phixxor> this level has victory, "lesser victory" and defeat
20090113 02:35:12< phixxor> victory_string: Default ' _ "Victory:"', this text precedes the victory objectives.
20090113 02:35:18< phixxor> found it :)
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20090113 02:41:31< mnharris> I finished my SPS and it is up on the 1.4 server!
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20090113 02:51:05< phixxor> hmm actually victory string doesn't help
20090113 02:51:15< Turuk> hmm
20090113 02:51:47< phixxor> because there are three possible outcomes for this scenario
20090113 02:54:24< mnharris> Hmmm, that sounds like it might mean a variable is going to be created or something
20090113 02:54:26< mnharris> complicated
20090113 02:54:58< phixxor> yeah, I hope I won't have to change too much of it
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20090113 02:55:13< phixxor> I usually don't have to
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20090113 02:56:06< mnharris> I wonder who the first person to play my scenario is going to be?
20090113 02:57:00 * phixxor hears the sound of all the denisens of #wesnoth refreshing the server out of curiosity
20090113 02:58:08< mnharris> Hmmm
20090113 02:58:10< mnharris> I don't hear that sound
20090113 02:58:24< mnharris> I just hear the sound of me being overly proud of something that most people here could put together in 30 minutes
20090113 02:58:35< phixxor> heh, maybe i was imagining
20090113 02:58:38< mnharris> But, after four years, it is my first really workable add-on, so I am proud of it
20090113 02:58:57< phixxor> cool :) that's a lot of work
20090113 03:01:38< mnharris> Not that I was working on it for four years...
20090113 03:01:45< mnharris> I have just been playing Wesnoth that long
20090113 03:01:47< mnharris> wow, almost five
20090113 03:01:54< mnharris> anyway, we will see what the reaction will be
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20090113 03:11:24< phixxor> does anyone here know if you can modify the [objectives] tag so it shows three outcomes instead of just victory and defeat?
20090113 03:12:05< phixxor> if it's not possible that's ok, but I'd like to honor the original as much as possible
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20090113 03:54:41< Shadow_Master_> DDR_: I'll mark bug #12844 as Won't Do.
20090113 03:54:55< Shadow_Master_> it is your FR for [debug_message].
20090113 03:57:33< DDR_> Oh, OK.
20090113 03:57:40< Shadow_Master_> and posted a comment on that regard.
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20090113 04:14:56< phixxor> hey, I know short gets changed to melee
20090113 04:15:03< phixxor> but what should I change long to?
20090113 04:19:00< phixxor> Turuk:^
20090113 04:29:30< Turuk> yes?
20090113 04:29:33< Turuk> long is ranged
20090113 04:29:47< phixxor> so, range=ranged :P
20090113 04:29:51< phixxor> thanks
20090113 04:29:54< phixxor> lol
20090113 04:30:00< Turuk> haha no problem
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20090113 04:55:35< Turuk> This is the scenario that never ends, it just goes on and on my friends, some playerrrr started playing it not knowing what it was, and he continued playing it forever just because......   This is the scenario that never ends....
20090113 04:56:39< keb> is that the one where you become a lich
20090113 04:56:58< Turuk> No, it's the final scenario in THoT
20090113 04:57:02< Turuk> The Underlevels
20090113 04:57:36< keb> ooh never tried that
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20090113 04:59:55< Turuk> it's a fun campaign, but this is the last scenario and I am currently on turn 95
20090113 05:00:35< keb> maybe you are supposed to die
20090113 05:00:38< Turuk> I killed 182 units in the previous 10 scenarios
20090113 05:00:49< Turuk> I have killed 141 so far in this one
20090113 05:01:03< Turuk> nah, it's just supposed to be an epic grind/fight through the hordes to kill the leader
20090113 05:01:57< keb> what if you get silver mages and sneak up on the leader
20090113 05:02:15< Turuk> that would mean having villages by the leader ;)
20090113 05:02:21< Turuk> I just finally got to him
20090113 05:09:01< keb> its too bad you cant build villages by sacrificing some units :D
20090113 05:09:18< keb> but that might infringe Civilization's look and feel
20090113 05:10:56< Turuk> not to mention make most scenarios very easy 
20090113 05:13:15< keb> not necessarily, the enemy can do it too.  probably complicate things more than it needs to 
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20090113 05:17:06< keb> good morning Ivanovic 
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20090113 07:53:33< mnharris> I don't know whether to turn ignore bad recruits on or off
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20090113 09:16:50< mnharris> Hello Noy
20090113 09:16:55< noy> hey
20090113 09:35:46< mnharris> Oh
20090113 09:35:50< mnharris> this conversation is dysfunctional
20090113 09:36:01< mnharris> does anyone ever actually talk on teh IRC?
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20090113 10:22:17< phixxor> mnharris I don't know what time it is where you live, but in U.S. east it is 4:21 am and I am only awake because I'm really a zombie vampire
20090113 10:22:27< mnharris> Awesome!
20090113 10:22:32< mnharris> It is 1:17 for me
20090113 10:22:37< mnharris> Did you play my scenario yet?
20090113 10:22:54< phixxor> which is it?
20090113 10:23:03< phixxor> I've been doing other thing
20090113 10:23:04< phixxor> s
20090113 10:23:16< noy> mnharris: that
20090113 10:23:19< noy> mnharris: it
20090113 10:23:23< noy> mnharris: is
20090113 10:23:39< mnharris> "Forward They Cried"
20090113 10:25:15< phixxor> I have a feeling that this will be an easy mission
20090113 10:25:25< phixxor> that will be no trouble for my well disciplined wesnothian army
20090113 10:26:02< mnharris> Yes!
20090113 10:26:09< mnharris> How could you ever doubt such a thing?
20090113 10:26:34< phixxor> verily, I could not
20090113 10:26:54< mnharris> How is the well-disciplined Wesnothian army going?
20090113 10:27:14< phixxor> I am calling them to my keep right now
20090113 10:27:29< phixxor> they seem to be well trained so far
20090113 10:28:54< phixxor> those goblins don't stand a chance
20090113 10:29:18< mnharris> They will probably run from your army
20090113 10:30:09< phixxor> they should have
20090113 10:30:21< mnharris> Did you have to put them to the sword?
20090113 10:31:23< phixxor> yes, though they nearly ended the life of my white mage
20090113 10:31:46< mnharris> That must be caused by shoddy leadership on your part
20090113 10:33:19< phixxor> it certainly was; I was put in charge of this mission as a training exercise, most probably
20090113 10:33:31< mnharris> Yes
20090113 10:33:50< mnharris> Nothing you haven't covered at the Weldyn Military Academy
20090113 10:34:32< mnharris> What turn are you on?
20090113 10:34:37< phixxor> 3
20090113 10:34:52< mnharris> Ah, okay
20090113 10:34:53< phixxor> most accursed crossbowman came out of nowhere!
20090113 10:34:57< phixxor> I must be more careful
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20090113 10:37:38< phixxor> we are taking casualties!
20090113 10:38:20< mnharris> That is part of warfare
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20090113 10:46:31< phixxor> ah man
20090113 10:46:34< phixxor> I died
20090113 10:46:40< phixxor> lol
20090113 10:46:54< phixxor> the weldyn academy did a pretty bad job training me :P
20090113 10:47:06< phixxor> I'm trying again
20090113 10:47:37< mnharris> How did you die?
20090113 10:52:41< phixxor> can't remember -- left myself exposed
20090113 10:52:53< phixxor> might have been a wolf rider
20090113 10:53:23< mnharris> I actually took the amount of them down
20090113 10:53:35< mnharris> I still don't know if I should tweak recruitment pattern a bit more
20090113 10:53:38< mnharris> Playing again?
20090113 10:54:05< phixxor> yea
20090113 10:54:11< phixxor> this time being more defensible
20090113 10:55:09< mnharris> Ah
20090113 10:55:13< mnharris> Let me know how that goes
20090113 10:56:20< phixxor> ah the wolves are able to flank me
20090113 10:56:34< phixxor> they move far, even in water!
20090113 10:57:18< mnharris> Yes, that is why I turned the wolves down
20090113 11:01:26< mnharris> How is it going now?
20090113 11:02:28< phixxor> pretty good, I can't figure out how to keep fencers alive though
20090113 11:03:04< mnharris> What units are you mostly recruiting?
20090113 11:04:08< phixxor> at first a little of everything, but now it seems like bowmen are effective against the wolves and naga, and HE and spearmen are good against crossbows and assassins
20090113 11:04:16< phixxor> spearmen are also good against the wolves
20090113 11:05:27< Smar> I prefer meteors...
20090113 11:05:47< mnharris> meteors? Like you are Sephiroth Valentine?
20090113 11:10:01< phixxor> aw the nagas ran away
20090113 11:11:32< mnharris> They must be afraid of the well-disciplined Wesnothian army
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20090113 11:11:42< phixxor> must be
20090113 11:12:52< mnharris> You should win this battle and get a promotion!
20090113 11:13:19< mnharris> So you must like this scenario, you have been playing it for a while.
20090113 11:13:37< phixxor> heh I'm not very fast
20090113 11:14:04< phixxor> i just play wesnoth occasionally for fun. I'm not that good at it :P
20090113 11:14:19< mnharris> Well, you keep on going back to my scenario. That is good.
20090113 11:18:17< phixxor> ah the guy says I should be making better progress :P
20090113 11:19:23< mnharris> You should be
20090113 11:22:12< phixxor> ok HE are not good against crossbows...
20090113 11:22:33< mnharris> HI, and yes they are not.
20090113 11:22:44< mnharris> But they are good against the Nagas. Do you have any unit good against both?
20090113 11:22:58< phixxor> ah yeah, he would be high explosives
20090113 11:23:09< phixxor> I guess spearmen are decent against naga
20090113 11:24:02< mnharris> And cheap!
20090113 11:24:59< phixxor> yea
20090113 11:30:55< mnharris> So is that making it go better?
20090113 11:31:12< phixxor> a little better, yeah
20090113 11:31:22< phixxor> it's mostly cause I'm kind of tired
20090113 11:31:32< phixxor> and enemies keep coming through the fog :P
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20090113 11:31:42< mnharris> You should be tired, it is a long night!
20090113 11:33:20< phixxor> yeahh
20090113 11:33:25< phixxor> i might have to finish tomorrow
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20090113 11:34:14< mnharris> If you don't take it by dawn...
20090113 11:43:12< phixxor> well im on the other side of the bridge now
20090113 11:43:15< phixxor> but it's turn 22
20090113 11:46:11< mnharris> Uh oh
20090113 11:46:32< mnharris> What are your Kills/Losses?
20090113 11:47:01< phixxor> 29 kills 14 losses
20090113 11:48:34< mnharris> And it is Turn 24 now?
20090113 11:48:35< phixxor> dude there's a lvl 3 orc up there!!!
20090113 11:48:36< phixxor> yeah
20090113 11:48:54< phixxor> he would kill me if there were more turns :P
20090113 11:49:31< mnharris> And the turn is over?
20090113 11:49:32< phixxor> aww, courts marshall
20090113 11:49:45< phixxor> yeah
20090113 11:49:46< mnharris> Well, it seems you are an incompetent officer.
20090113 11:49:57 * phixxor hangs head in shame
20090113 11:50:50< phixxor> alright, good night everyone
20090113 11:50:54< phixxor> or good morning
20090113 11:50:55< mnharris> Goodnight!
20090113 11:50:59< mnharris> Thank you for playing my scenario
20090113 11:51:05< phixxor> it is really fun
20090113 11:51:10< phixxor> just a bit hard!
20090113 11:51:44< phixxor> it could use a bit of story to explain why I'm fighting tho :P
20090113 11:52:09< mnharris> Because the General said so!
20090113 11:52:33< phixxor> lol, yeah he did
20090113 11:52:45< phixxor> ok, see ya later
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20090113 13:53:30< mnharris> This is the end
20090113 13:53:33< mnharris> my only friend, the end
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20090113 15:17:05< Woland> heil
20090113 15:17:24< Woland> there is a bug in campaing fall to darkness
20090113 15:18:03< Woland> bats can fall through the ice
20090113 15:19:50< zookeeper> version?
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20090113 15:24:33< Woland> 1.4
20090113 15:24:51< Woland> 1.4.4
20090113 15:25:15< zookeeper> ok, it's been fixed since
20090113 15:25:58< Woland> ok
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20090113 17:27:06< krotop1> A friend of mine, Bast is having a problem with logging to the 1.5 server. He registered a long time ago on the forum and doesn't remember either his password and the e-mail adress he gave. Is there a way to help him ?
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20090113 17:53:15< Shadow_Master> krotop1: yes, there are two ways. 1) (easiest) register a new account. 2) (dangerous) PM an admin.
20090113 17:55:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> lol
20090113 17:55:17< Shadow_Master> I fail to see the humorous part.
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20090113 18:02:11< krotop1> Shadow_Master_ : how would that be dangerous ?
20090113 18:02:24< Shadow_Master_> dangerous? I meant difficult.
20090113 18:02:36< Unnheulu|Laptop> taht was was my point
20090113 18:02:47< Shadow_Master_> he or she would have to prove they are truly the user they claim to be.
20090113 18:03:04< Shadow_Master_> and the admins cannot do much either AFAIK.
20090113 18:03:05< krotop1> it is impossible to contact the admin without loggin though
20090113 18:03:18< Shadow_Master_> use (1)
20090113 18:04:05< krotop1> ok, but then he will lose his original nick
20090113 18:04:25< Shadow_Master_> yup, unless you manage to (2)
20090113 18:04:34< Turuk> what is his forum name? Bast?
20090113 18:04:47< krotop1> yes
20090113 18:04:53< Shadow_Master_> Ivanovic may be better help than me.
20090113 18:05:15< krotop1> he was in ToC2 or ToC3
20090113 18:05:16< Shadow_Master_> but he's been too busy lately to answer requests it seems
20090113 18:05:22< Turuk> has he happened to make 2?
20090113 18:05:23< krotop1> if that's any proof
20090113 18:05:35< Turuk> as there is also a Bast1981....  :\ 
20090113 18:05:58< krotop1> I'll ask, he's on 1.5.7 under Bast2
20090113 18:06:23< Unnheulu|Laptop> oh yeah
20090113 18:06:43< Unnheulu|Laptop> When you tpe your passwd to log into the 1.5 server there is no *'s
20090113 18:06:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> it says the letters
20090113 18:06:53< krotop1> quite possibly he created Bast1981, it's his birthdate
20090113 18:06:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> Unless it has been changedsince 1.5.4 or something
20090113 18:07:39< krotop1> he made quite a long break and doesn't remember well :s
20090113 18:07:39< Turuk> well I ask because Bast was registered in 2004
20090113 18:07:45< Turuk> Bast1981 was registered in 2007
20090113 18:08:00< Soliton> what does it matter?
20090113 18:08:25< krotop1> he likes using Bast as his nick when going on the server I guess
20090113 18:08:47< krotop1> instead of Bast-whatever
20090113 18:08:52< Turuk> what does it matter what I am saying or what he is saying? :P
20090113 18:09:12< Turuk> I'm just trying to establish if he is one or both of them
20090113 18:09:14< krotop1> o.O I missed a chapter
20090113 18:09:57< Soliton> probably both. i still don't see how it matters.
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20090113 18:10:37< Turuk> fair enough :(
20090113 18:10:56< krotop1> he is both
20090113 18:11:01< Soliton> well, maybe you can explain it?
20090113 18:11:17< krotop1> explain that it doesn't matter to Bast ?
20090113 18:11:29 * Soliton gets a little frustrated.
20090113 18:11:52< Soliton> when i say something 4 seconds after you i was not responding to you. i'm not that fast a reader.
20090113 18:12:07< Soliton> anway.
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20090113 18:12:21< Soliton> just ask Ivanovic to reset the account or whatever.
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20090113 18:12:36< krotop1> ok, I'll do that, thanks
20090113 18:13:49< Shadow_Master> since he's not very active here, try PMing him in the forums.
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20090113 18:23:27< Soliton> krotop1: i can tell him the email addresses used.
20090113 18:24:49< krotop1> he is on 1.5.7 under Bast2 if you mind coming to tell him
20090113 18:25:01< krotop1> *don't mind
20090113 18:25:37< krotop1> but I gave him the instructions to contact Ivanovic anyway, if you're being busy
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20090113 18:32:44< unfinishedsweet> hi fellas
20090113 18:32:50< unfinishedsweet> does anybody play on gentoo?
20090113 18:34:38< Soliton> yes.
20090113 18:35:12< Shadow_Master> ask your real question.
20090113 18:35:14< unfinishedsweet> Could u tell my how to start the game?
20090113 18:35:23< Shadow_Master> wesnoth
20090113 18:35:31< Shadow_Master> assuming it is installed, of course.
20090113 18:35:39< unfinishedsweet> it is
20090113 18:36:07< unfinishedsweet> don't have binary called wesnoth
20090113 18:36:38< Soliton> how did you install wesnoth?
20090113 18:37:08< unfinishedsweet> from portage
20090113 18:37:45< unfinishedsweet> gimme a second i show u use flags i've applied
20090113 18:37:55< Shadow_Master> perhaps it wasn't installed properly. I guess there is a way to check that.
20090113 18:43:38< unfinishedsweet> I've found out that use flag 'dedicated' installs server only, don't add just support to it (as I read before)
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20090113 18:45:41< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090113 18:46:28< Shadow_Master> I cannot make a meaning out of that.
20090113 18:46:36< Shadow_Master> neither that.
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20090113 18:51:21< unfinishedsweet> that's mean that i've to reinstall with different use flags (gentoo's thing)
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20090113 19:28:16< zookeeper> Ken_Oh1, mind flay would fail if two of those units fought each other.
20090113 19:29:56< zookeeper> also looks like initiative would erase firststrike from units having it
20090113 19:31:11< zookeeper> same for blitz
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20090113 19:31:32< zookeeper> and the blitz strings won't use the mainline translations
20090113 19:32:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> bobsgame.com
20090113 19:32:40< zookeeper> ah, looks like blitz wouldn't remove skirmisher from skirmishers after all.
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