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20090114 00:52:26< mnharris> Hello
20090114 00:53:06< Rrenys> Why, hello there
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20090114 00:57:18< mnharris> I need to figure out the path to my campaign icon
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20090114 01:03:43< mnharris> Okay, I got that.
20090114 01:03:55< mnharris> Now I need to figure out how to get the AI to grab two villages that it isn't
20090114 01:05:36< Soliton> you could give it to it from the start.
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20090114 01:06:17< Soliton> beat your scenario on turn 14, btw.
20090114 01:06:29< mnharris> Wow
20090114 01:06:34< mnharris> How did you do that?
20090114 01:07:09< mnharris> I think there might be a trick to it, which is tempting the Nagas out of the water
20090114 01:07:48< Soliton> yeah, i wouldn't fight them in the water.
20090114 01:08:56< mnharris> You are a pretty good player, though, I imagine
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20090114 01:54:47< wons> I just installed BfW on my eee, did the tutorial, but now it doesn't have any campaigns. I can download them from the server, but which are good ones to start on?
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20090114 02:00:10< Rrenys> HTTT is the default choice for starting with
20090114 02:00:48< Shadow_Master> wons: using Ubuntu?
20090114 02:01:12< wons> Xandros. Yes, I know
20090114 02:01:21< Shadow_Master> you should install wesnoth-all or something
20090114 02:02:28< wons> ah, it has them as separate packages
20090114 02:02:35< Shadow_Master> yes.
20090114 02:03:06< Shadow_Master> that's for people who only play MP or something... they are just recommended packages
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20090114 02:05:59< mnharris> I should figure out the difference between caution and aggression
20090114 02:09:11 * wons sighs at Asus' idea of package management
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20090114 02:09:55< wons> oh, this seems to be a rather ancient version as well
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20090114 03:02:54< mnharris> Made some more changes!
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20090114 05:05:24< mnharris> Yep, seems to be working well enough]\
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20090114 06:38:16< mnharris> What name should I give my White Mage?
20090114 06:51:02< mnharris> Lets see if I did this right
20090114 06:51:49< mnharris> I did!
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20090114 08:00:22< mnharris> I wonder if this is possible to do.
20090114 08:00:42< mnharris> I think it is, I know it is in DiD
20090114 08:13:02< mnharris> DiD makes reference to a macro, and no I am trying to find a macro
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20090114 08:20:24< mnharris> Anyone on?
20090114 08:21:35< Espreon> I am.
20090114 08:22:33< Espreon> mnharris: What do you desire?
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20090114 08:22:49< mnharris> I am trying to figure out how to poison a unit with WML
20090114 08:23:02< mnharris> Actually, to poison several
20090114 08:23:20< mnharris> But I don't want to give away spoilers!
20090114 08:23:42< mnharris> I am searching WML, and can't seem to figure out if what I am doing is a filter for poisoned units or a way to poison them.
20090114 08:23:47< Espreon> Hold on and whatnot.
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20090114 08:24:18< mnharris> Should I pastebin what I have so far?
20090114 08:25:07< Espreon> Meh, I do not feel like extensively aiding people with WML problems right now, as it si 2:25 AM here.
20090114 08:26:15< Espreon> mnharris: Sure, throw it on pastebin/
20090114 08:26:21< Espreon> *pastebin.
20090114 08:27:12< mnharris> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m3a8bea56
20090114 08:30:19< mnharris> Does that make any sense?
20090114 08:30:47< Espreon> According to the wiki, [status] is a ThemeWML tag. For what you desire, I believe you have to utilize [store_unit]
20090114 08:31:15< mnharris> So I have to store all the units in that area? And then return them?
20090114 08:31:18< mnharris> Hmmm
20090114 08:31:23< mnharris> Do I want to do this tonight?
20090114 08:31:23< Espreon> And then use [set_variable] code blocks to modify the unit(s).
20090114 08:32:12< mnharris> Thank you, now I know I wasn't just missing the obvious.
20090114 08:32:22< Espreon> You are quite welcome.
20090114 08:34:22< mnharris> I will try to figure this out tomorrow
20090114 08:36:30< mnharris> It is actually into Descent into Darkness, but it looks complicated
20090114 08:36:54< mnharris> Thank you for your help!
20090114 08:36:58< mnharris> You should play my scenario.
20090114 08:37:07< Espreon> Again, you are quite welcome.
20090114 08:37:16< Espreon> Is it an MP scenario?
20090114 08:37:17< mnharris> For now, scweepy time
20090114 08:37:22< mnharris> It is a single player scenario
20090114 08:37:28< mnharris> "Forward They Cried"
20090114 08:37:34< mnharris> Its only on the stable server
20090114 08:37:39< mnharris> maybe I should update Ubuntu, too
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20090114 08:37:55< mnharris> I am always the last one playing the cool Wesnoth!
20090114 08:37:57< mnharris> Anyway
20090114 08:37:58< mnharris> For now...
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20090114 08:38:12< Espreon> Unnheulu|Laptop: Hello.
20090114 08:38:19< Unnheulu|Laptop> HI
20090114 08:38:57< Espreon> My mind has been ravaged by an advanced phase project and a book report, and this is my second day of recovery.
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20090114 10:37:04< Elven_> hello everyone
20090114 10:37:50< Elven_> well, i have another problem, can someone help? i like to make my /utils working, but something is not right.
20090114 10:38:07< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d2e2480f8
20090114 10:39:18< Elven_> here is something from the scenario: http://pastebin.com/d16def776
20090114 10:39:20< zookeeper> my guess would be that something is not right. fix that and i think it'll work all right.
20090114 10:40:21< Elven_> very well, any idea where to find the problem? :)
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20090114 10:45:19< Elven_> one idea... how about add to the utils something like instant victory to debug it?
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20090114 11:22:54< maccampus> allo
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20090114 11:24:45< maccampus> yo
20090114 11:24:48< maccampus> hi
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20090114 11:47:12< Soliton> Elven_: now you provided info but nothing relevant to the inclusion of the utils dir.
20090114 11:48:18< Elven_> aha... wait
20090114 11:48:38< Elven_> http://pastebin.com/d6c82f093
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20090114 11:56:26< Soliton> Elven_: what's the file with the traits in the utils dir called?
20090114 11:56:44< Elven_> traits.cfg
20090114 11:57:43< Soliton> well, looks all good to me.
20090114 11:58:06< Soliton> oh, i see it.
20090114 11:58:34< Soliton> don't you get an error?
20090114 11:59:06 * Unnheulu cant hear wesnoths great music  :(
20090114 11:59:14 * Unnheulu is sure that it is playing
20090114 11:59:28< Elven_> no i do not have any error
20090114 11:59:34< Elven_> just it walks normal speed :(
20090114 12:00:32 * zookeeper creates a file awesome.cfg which has a macro which turns all units into ninjas and wonders why nothing happen
20090114 12:00:41< Unnheulu> hehehe
20090114 12:01:00< Unnheulu> let me guess why :D
20090114 12:01:11< zookeeper> yeah, bingo.
20090114 12:01:24< Soliton> Elven_: well, look at the inclusion order and then wonder if the macro is defined when you use it.
20090114 12:01:28< Unnheulu> you didn't call the macro :D
20090114 12:01:40< zookeeper> i can create whatever file i happen to want to create and my computer nor wesnoth is going to read my mind and figure out what i want.
20090114 12:02:19< Elven_> well, so problem is in the scenario cfg?
20090114 12:02:33< Elven_> or what?
20090114 12:02:40< Unnheulu> no
20090114 12:02:44< Unnheulu> main.cfg
20090114 12:02:50< Unnheulu> or main__.cfg
20090114 12:02:54< Unnheulu> or what ever it is called
20090114 12:03:07< zookeeper> the problem is that you do not define the macro before the point at which you use it because you've screwed up including that file.
20090114 12:03:16< Elven_> okay. how it must be?
20090114 12:03:17< Elven_> 	{@campaigns/Fantasy_RPG/utils}
20090114 12:03:33< zookeeper> newsflash: no one knows.
20090114 12:03:38< Soliton> do you know what the word order means?
20090114 12:03:39< Elven_> you mean it must be 	{@campaigns/Fantasy_RPG/utils/my_cfg_file} ?
20090114 12:03:49< Unnheulu> @?
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20090114 12:04:21< zookeeper> for all i know you could have stuffed those two lines up your browser's address bar and are now asking why it don't work.
20090114 12:05:23< Elven_> i have it from the forgotten legacy
20090114 12:05:28< Elven_> and it is working there
20090114 12:06:42< zookeeper> update your mind reading software, maybe then your computer and the rest of us can magically know what you're doing wrong.
20090114 12:07:12 * Soliton knows.
20090114 12:08:39< zookeeper> well, yeah, i know too but obviously he wouldn't understand a short explanation.
20090114 12:09:26< zookeeper> he needs someone to tell him exact line numbers or something
20090114 12:09:41< Unnheulu> zookeeper: is it the same thing I got wrong?
20090114 12:11:13< zookeeper> i don't know what you've gotten wrong
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20090114 12:20:54< Unnheulu> to do with the map
20090114 12:21:03< Unnheulu> no
20090114 12:21:05< Unnheulu> scenarios
20090114 12:21:09< Unnheulu> I was using an @ then
20090114 12:25:21< Soliton> @ is fine if probably unnecessary.
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20090114 12:40:55< Elven_> so what i have to do?
20090114 12:42:39< Unnheulu> sit down
20090114 12:42:45< Unnheulu> stop worrying
20090114 12:42:50< Unnheulu> have a rest
20090114 12:43:00< Unnheulu> read the docs
20090114 12:43:10< Unnheulu> look at it in a few hours
20090114 12:44:50< Soliton> alternatively answer my question.
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20090114 13:25:45< Ivanovic> hi
20090114 13:30:59< Elven_> hi
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20090114 14:41:47< Unnheulu> hi VurtualRuler98
20090114 14:41:49< Unnheulu> :P
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20090114 17:43:12< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090114 17:58:35< Brando1> Hello all
20090114 17:58:40< Brando1> I'd like to pose a question :)
20090114 17:59:07< VurtualRuler98> Ask it then >_>
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20090114 18:01:02< Brando1> is it just me, or do knalgan thunderer's suck?
20090114 18:01:15< Brando1> i have read the tips on them and used them in game, and they sometimes work--
20090114 18:01:34< Brando1> that is, they are good for taking up mountain squares, forcing enemy to use magic attacks, of which their single shot is a dangerous counter to most mages
20090114 18:01:58< Brando1> however, it seems like it ends up being a waste of a unit, since the single shot is so luck based (as opposed to having 3 weaker shots of 1/3 the damage)
20090114 18:02:13< Brando1> i know this is partially intended to counteract any damage the mage does by getting all the damage in the first shot
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20090114 18:02:45< Brando1> but it almost seems like it would be better to have another unit on a mountain, since the thunderer can't be relied on in almost any situation
20090114 18:03:08< Brando1> it is a pure gravy unit, if you ahve already won they can make it easier, but if you are still close, it puts too much to luck
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20090114 18:03:26< Brando1> i've definitely lost several games because i tried to use them, and they missed 5 / 7 shots or something like that
20090114 18:03:37< Brando1> i dont even see many top players use them on the ladder either..
20090114 18:03:38< Turuk> Are you referring to them in general or in MP use? Ah never mind you just answered my question
20090114 18:03:41< Brando1> MP :)
20090114 18:03:46< Brando1> sorry :P
20090114 18:04:32< Turuk> Quite alright, but outside my realm then, I do not delve into MP much.
20090114 18:07:25< Soliton> what unit can be relied on?
20090114 18:07:42< Brando1> units with more attacks and smaller damage
20090114 18:07:55< Brando1> clasher, spearman, naga, rebel archers + fighters, etc.
20090114 18:08:12< Brando1> anything with only 1-2 attacks (that aren't magical) gets kind of risky to rely on it
20090114 18:09:01< Soliton> ok, what is your question then?
20090114 18:09:41< Brando1> is the thunderer ever even useful in a competitive ladder match?
20090114 18:10:00< Soliton> sure.
20090114 18:10:05< Brando1> how?
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20090114 18:10:45< Baufo> you will have to use an aimbot
20090114 18:11:00< VurtualRuler98> aimbot?
20090114 18:11:01< VurtualRuler98> wesnoth?
20090114 18:11:02< VurtualRuler98> What?
20090114 18:11:04< Baufo> and then b00m headsh0t!!!!
20090114 18:11:05< Soliton> by using it to attack opposing units.
20090114 18:11:26< Baufo> heh, sorry :)
20090114 18:11:26< Brando1> hahahaha
20090114 18:11:46< Brando1> i dunno
20090114 18:11:55< Brando1> it just seems like the unit is based far more on luck than any other unit
20090114 18:12:00< VurtualRuler98> thunderers are for doing big hits
20090114 18:12:10< Brando1> it is the only unit in the game as far as i can tell that has a damaging attack all focused in 1 shot
20090114 18:12:14< VurtualRuler98> Put them in with your other units to help do damage
20090114 18:12:28< VurtualRuler98> If you make a barrier, don't rely on their zone of control, make other units hold the squares for em
20090114 18:12:33< Brando1> which means if it misses a few shots in a row (which is easily possible) then you would already have a significant disadvantage
20090114 18:13:49< Brando1> i guess it is most noticeable when there aren't any mountain for the dwarves to sit in, cause then if you miss a few shots, they enemy is hopefully missing you a lot too
20090114 18:14:00< Soliton> most people like a "significant" disadvanatage in their turn then in the opponents turn, i'd say.
20090114 18:14:02< Brando1> but there usually aren't a huge amount of mountains all clumped together ready for the dwarves to camp ;)
20090114 18:14:20< Brando1> why?
20090114 18:14:26< Brando1> i always want the advantage :P
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20090114 18:14:45< Brando1> i gotta go pick up lunch, be back in a while :O
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20090114 18:15:48< Soliton> so you can choose between disadvantage and disadvantage and you choose.. advantage! how clever.
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20090114 18:51:37< zookeeper> wesbot: seen turin
20090114 18:51:38< wesbot> zookeeper: The person with the nick turin last spoke 1d 14h ago.  1d 13h ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-dev with the message: "Leaving"
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20090114 19:03:48< Brando1> back
20090114 19:04:18< Brando1> Soliton: I don't understand what you mean by disadvantage and disadvantage
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20090114 19:13:51< zookeeper> Brando1, let me put it this way: even if you don't trust your thunderer to hit, would you trust your opponent's thunderer not to?
20090114 19:14:50< zookeeper> (not that i'd know if soliton meant anything directly related to that)
20090114 19:15:15< zookeeper> (probably not)
20090114 19:17:39< Brando1> no, but that is exactly myy point
20090114 19:17:49< Brando1> if you have a unit like that, that you don't know what to expect
20090114 19:17:51< Brando1> you shouldn't get it
20090114 19:17:55< Brando1> it might win you the game by luck
20090114 19:18:01< Brando1> or it might lose you the game by bad luck
20090114 19:18:32< zookeeper> well, then use it only in non-crucial situations.
20090114 19:18:52< zookeeper> don't rely on your thunderer hitting or your opponent's thunderer missing.
20090114 19:20:57< zookeeper> (but i'd still rely on my opponent not wanting to shoot my thunderer...)
20090114 19:24:26< Turuk> It's more about the threat of force then actual force sometimes ;)
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