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20090115 03:26:23< oOarthurOo> Hi again... once again I'm experiencing very strange very long delays in game play. It's just me and it's major lag.
20090115 03:26:45< oOarthurOo> Last time I thought :nosaves or :nosave fixed it, but I run both those at the start of every game and it has no effect.
20090115 03:27:05< oOarthurOo> I was wondering, could I maybe try forwarding a port on my router?
20090115 03:27:27< Soliton> sure. not sure what that should help though.
20090115 03:27:31< oOarthurOo> I'm at about five minutes now... so it should be my turn any second
20090115 03:27:42< Soliton> heh
20090115 03:29:05< oOarthurOo> They hung around. That was nice of them. I dunno what it would do. But if I forwarded the port and it fixed the problem it would mean I
20090115 03:29:13< oOarthurOo> 'm having router issues, not wesnoth issues.
20090115 03:29:51< oOarthurOo> If it doesn't fix the problem I can narrow it down to wesnoth, server, or connection. So I can try playing at university to see if I have problems.
20090115 03:30:11< oOarthurOo> The question is... what port does wesnoth play on... and is there a danger in opening up my computer this way?
20090115 03:30:27< Soliton> it won't help a thing.
20090115 03:30:52< Soliton> opening a port would allow you to play *at all* if that was needed but it isn't.
20090115 03:31:33< Soliton> what does "ping wesnoth.org" get you?
20090115 03:34:00< oOarthurOo> All pretty good. 64 bytes from wesnoth.wesnoth.org (65.18.193.12): icmp_seq=10 ttl=52 time=73.4 ms
20090115 03:34:09< oOarthurOo> I'll try again when lagging. 
20090115 03:36:25< Soliton> what happens when you play a local game? same lag?
20090115 03:37:09< oOarthurOo> uhh.. you mean, a campaign?
20090115 03:37:40< Soliton> nah, same game you play online.
20090115 03:38:22< Shadow_Master> "the same game, a new image!" (couldn't resist)
20090115 03:38:22< oOarthurOo> I will test that out.
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20090115 03:48:48< oOarthurOo> mthanks for tips Soliton
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20090115 04:02:01< joshudson> I am kind of of the opinion that "somebody is chatting at you" should be in the same category as Turn Bell, not UI sounds
20090115 04:04:11< joshudson> 1.13.7 server pretty darn empty :(
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20090115 04:16:48< oOarthurOo> Hi Soliton... well I created a game of 4p isars online, main server, and played with 3 ai's and the game was blazingly fast. No lag at all. Does that tell us anything?
20090115 04:17:46< joshudson> No :(
20090115 04:17:56< joshudson> observe w/ another and it probably will
20090115 04:18:17< oOarthurOo> You mean... ask an observer to watch me play ai and see if it lags?
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20090115 04:19:41< oOarthurOo> I will try playing a multiplayer game and create a debug log... perhaps that will reveal the cause
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20090115 04:20:11< oOarthurOo> This is the command to do that?   wesnoth --log-debug=all
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20090115 04:24:42< joshudson> not quite
20090115 04:24:50< joshudson> launch two copies and observe self will do
20090115 04:25:10< oOarthurOo> Ok... I'm watching the debug output in the terminal and I'm seeing lots of strange messages... are these normal? http://pastebin.com/d1138359c
20090115 04:25:49< joshudson> looks normal to me. I wish I knew what units Lag was in :(
20090115 04:27:40< Shadow_Master> look on the bright side! it is diminishing!
20090115 04:27:53< Shadow_Master> (so its absolute value is increasing)
20090115 04:28:56< oOarthurOo> I'm in gameplay now, which is where the problems become noticeable... I am interested to see what if any network messages appear
20090115 04:29:10< oOarthurOo> lol oops
20090115 04:29:23< oOarthurOo> I can see what they recruit in debug mode even with fog on
20090115 04:29:33 * oOarthurOo laughs evilly
20090115 04:29:52 * Shadow_Master . O o
20090115 04:31:41< oOarthurOo> I guess no one has pulled up a terminal beside the game and watched the debug info while playing? Bit of an unfair advantage in 1 v. 1 ladder.
20090115 04:32:22< Shadow_Master> I guess no one's mad enough to attempt to do that.
20090115 04:32:37< Shadow_Master> there is a lot of output with debug info turned on. too much output if you'd ask me.
20090115 04:32:50< oOarthurOo> recruit: team=3 'Saurian Skirmisher' at (18,10) cost=15 from gold=17 20090114 21:31:47 info replay: -> 2
20090115 04:32:59< oOarthurOo> Too much indeed
20090115 04:33:05< Shadow_Master> which Windows translates into excesive noise from the HDD :->
20090115 04:33:08< oOarthurOo> I'm on team 1 
20090115 04:34:31< oOarthurOo> yeah... but a skilled linux user could use sed to pipe the output throug a filter, just showing recruitments, positions etc.
20090115 04:35:03< oOarthurOo> which I most definitely am not. :)
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20090115 04:37:21< Shadow_Master> I am capable of doing that probably, but not going to do it
20090115 04:37:28< Shadow_Master> If I want to play MP, I want to play fair.
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20090115 04:37:52< Shadow_Master> otherwise I'd just setup  a local game with a dumb AI or myself.
20090115 04:38:08 * Shadow_Master == dumb AI
20090115 04:38:51< oOarthurOo> Ladder relies on the honour system as it is... unlikely this cheat is common if used at all.
20090115 04:39:11< oOarthurOo> The worst thing is it doesn't seem to have given my any useful info on game lag problems.
20090115 04:39:36< oOarthurOo> Just constant lag = -50 messages.
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20090115 05:47:15< phixxor> hey, I am having some problems with the message tag
20090115 05:48:06< phixxor> in game, message= _ "Gurr-gah.
20090115 05:48:06< phixxor> @(Got it.)" gives me a missing character box after the period. What should I do to fix it?
20090115 05:48:28< phixxor> i.e., is this the wrong way of doing line breaks?
20090115 05:51:08< phixxor> from the wiki: message: (translatable) the text to display to the right of the image. message is sometimes multiple lines; if it is, be sure to use quotes( '  or  " ) 
20090115 05:51:23< phixxor> I am using quotes. What is wrong?
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20090115 05:52:33< mordocai> Well, i have no idea... try asking in wesnoth-dev?
20090115 05:52:47< phixxor> alright
20090115 05:52:59< phixxor> I didn't know that channel existed
20090115 05:54:07< mordocai> Yeah, i'm always in both... but they might know more.
20090115 05:55:00< phixxor> alright
20090115 05:55:12< phixxor> (seeing if anyone is there)
20090115 05:55:34< mordocai> Yeah, i had to wait a few minutes... i think most people just check every 5 or more minutes.
20090115 05:55:46< phixxor> yeah
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20090115 05:56:41< phixxor> sometimes Turuk helps me out
20090115 05:57:33< mordocai> Yeah, i'm looking to get into devel... i know some intermediate C++, and want to make a campaign... learning more about game first though.
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20090115 06:04:01< Turuk_> you are having issues with the message tag displaying the message properly?
20090115 06:04:06< Turuk_> or the message is not displaying at all
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20090115 06:04:37< phixxor> it displays, just not properly
20090115 06:05:04< phixxor> it gives me a box after the period. Kind of like this "blah blah.[]"
20090115 06:05:20< phixxor> but the next line in the message shows up fine (it is green as it should be)
20090115 06:05:25< Turuk> hmm
20090115 06:05:31< Turuk> can you take a screenshot of it/
20090115 06:05:41< phixxor> sure
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20090115 06:07:51< phixxor> http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3381/gurrgahuw0.png
20090115 06:08:45< phixxor> and the code is message= _ "Gurr-gah. /linebreak/ @(Got it.)"
20090115 06:09:15< Turuk> hmm
20090115 06:09:25< Turuk> I have seen this happen before but my mind is too tired to remember what caused it
20090115 06:09:34< Turuk> I would take out everything but what you want him to say
20090115 06:09:38< Turuk> and then rebuild from there
20090115 06:09:43< Turuk> Put in the @
20090115 06:09:45< Turuk> then the linebreak
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20090115 06:21:55< Turuk> well if it works, let me know.  Bed is calling
20090115 06:22:26< phixxor> alright, sorry, I'll know in a se
20090115 06:24:02< phixxor> no, when I do that, I see "Gurr-gah.@ // (Got it.) but not green
20090115 06:24:23< phixxor> what exactly do you mean by "take out everything?"
20090115 06:30:48< phixxor> I got it to work. I have no idea what fixed it; I just rewrote the line
20090115 06:30:58< phixxor> message= _ "Gurr-gah.
20090115 06:30:58< phixxor> @(Got it.)"
20090115 06:32:01< mordocai> Heh heh, reminds me of when windows said my HDD had an error, and i installed linux and it found the same error, auto-rebooted, and said it fixed it -.-
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20090115 08:54:22< ArmOrAttAk> hi
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20090115 11:37:10< Unnheulu|Laptop> wesnoth cant do windowed mode on my laptop :(
20090115 11:37:22< Unnheulu|Laptop> So i cant code whilst playing
20090115 11:37:34< Unnheulu|Laptop> D:
20090115 11:44:37< Soliton> how can it not do that?
20090115 11:45:08< Unnheulu|Laptop> Soliton: dno
20090115 11:45:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> its in fullscreen, and if i press CTRL+F then it just gives me a smaller resolution
20090115 11:45:35< Unnheulu|Laptop> with the rest of the screen black
20090115 11:45:46< Unnheulu|Laptop> same thing from preference
20090115 11:45:47< Unnheulu|Laptop> s
20090115 11:46:00< Unnheulu|Laptop> probably my lappy
20090115 11:46:07< Unnheulu|Laptop> loads of driver issues
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20090115 17:12:13< Brom> Good Morning.
20090115 17:12:29< Brom> Is there any news about Linux/Windows LAN game integration?
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20090115 17:13:18< Soliton> what about it?
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20090115 18:39:58< Ivanovic> hi
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20090115 19:10:20< Brom> Opps. Wrong game. :) How are you all?
20090115 19:10:36< Brom> I am working on the undead campaign, it can be a pain!
20090115 19:10:45< Jequ> indeed
20090115 19:11:12< Brom> What is your favorite campaign?
20090115 19:11:28< Brom> I loved Heir to the throne.
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20090115 19:11:58< Unnheulu|Laptop> Brom: have you read eragon?
20090115 19:12:02< Brom> Though, to win I had to set up assassins for the kings.
20090115 19:12:20< Brom> Of course I have read Eragon, I am a huge fan. How could you tell? :)
20090115 19:12:31< Unnheulu|Laptop> your name :-)
20090115 19:12:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> I have brisinger next to me
20090115 19:12:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> reading it whilst i debug my program#
20090115 19:12:54< Brom> Great book. I have been eagerly following the series since book 1.
20090115 19:13:08< Brom> What type of program?
20090115 19:13:15< Brom> And what code?
20090115 19:13:38< Unnheulu|Laptop> python, a virtual pet thingy
20090115 19:13:45< Unnheulu|Laptop> im trying to ease myself into OOP
20090115 19:13:51< Unnheulu|Laptop> I spent ages with structured xD
20090115 19:14:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> Brom: Have you finished brisinger?
20090115 19:14:09< Unnheulu|Laptop> it was released on my birthday :D
20090115 19:16:59< Unnheulu|Laptop> had to wait a bit to long for the 3rd one though
20090115 19:17:01< Unnheulu|Laptop> but
20090115 19:17:11< Unnheulu|Laptop> it is a huge book and mus tof taken ages to right
20090115 19:21:30< Unnheulu|Laptop> Brom: do you know doctor who?
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20090115 20:44:35< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090115 22:37:13< Brom> Unnheulu: I do not know doctor who? What? Huh?
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20090115 23:49:07< Ivanovic> n8
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