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20090119 02:26:31< Glorfindel_> I am looking for a book
20090119 02:29:10< Tomsik> What kind of?
20090119 02:29:19< Glorfindel_> the secrets of life and death
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20090119 13:59:43< malicor> hi
20090119 13:59:54< malicor> anyone awake and willing to help me with a WML problem ?
20090119 14:01:39< malicor> if i knew how to i'd send a ctrl-g :)
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20090119 14:07:27< zookeeper> .
20090119 14:13:37< zookeeper> i guess people will never learn to just ask their question.
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20090119 14:27:51< reborn> zookeeper, it is so rude just to ask a question flat out
20090119 14:28:05< reborn> Treating everybody like your personal assistant :P
20090119 14:30:38< Shadow_Master> "hello, I was wondering if I would be able to run a MP server on a port other than 15000. What should I do about it?"
20090119 14:30:47< Shadow_Master> (no, I don't need an answer.)
20090119 14:33:23< reborn> Well that's just wonderful
20090119 14:33:29< zookeeper> reborn, no, it's not rude. much less rude than shoving the extra burden of a "yes, how can i help you?" answer onto people first, anyway.
20090119 14:33:30< reborn> Ask a question without expecting an answer
20090119 14:33:35< reborn> How considerate!
20090119 14:35:06< Shadow_Master> exactly. People might be asleep and not able to give you an answer at a certain moment.
20090119 14:35:19< Tomsik_> It's annoying yeah
20090119 14:35:20< Shadow_Master> * asleep, or busy
20090119 14:35:35< reborn> Fine, fine, I accede!
20090119 14:35:37< Tomsik_> it considerably reduces amount of information per letter :-p
20090119 14:36:05< reborn> I guess people just don't do things like in the old days any more :P
20090119 14:36:37< Tomsik_> soon we will start reffering to present by the word "future" :-p
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20090119 15:56:22< Ivanovic> hi
20090119 16:12:54< malicor> still someone here ? :)
20090119 16:13:14< Shadow_Master> yes
20090119 16:13:24< malicor> i'm sorry that i asked if someone's here some ago :)
20090119 16:13:39< malicor> so now i will try to formulate my question ;)
20090119 16:14:00< malicor> what i want to do is a scenario in which i want the following to happen:
20090119 16:14:21< malicor> whenever a player moves a unit on a given field (say 12,5) i want the unit to die
20090119 16:14:41< malicor> and i want the very same unit that just died to appear twice on another field (let's say 12,6 and 12,7)
20090119 16:15:15< malicor> i figured out that i probably have to use store_unit and unstore_unit, but right now as i have it, if i move a second unit on 12,5 it will 'overwrite' the first one
20090119 16:15:30< malicor> i put the WML code to here, if someone wants to have a look: http://sekati.pastebin.com/m184e78e3
20090119 16:16:00< Shadow_Master> try find_vacant=no
20090119 16:16:18< Shadow_Master> and set the correct x,y coordinates (have not looked at the code, will not do soon)
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20090119 16:19:17< malicor> whats wrong with the x,y i have ? and if the spot is full with a unit already, will the unit be placed next to it on a free spot ?
20090119 16:19:51< malicor> wouldnt find_vacant=no prevent them from beeing put on a free spot even ?
20090119 16:20:18< Shadow_Master> yes, I meant find_vacant=yes.
20090119 16:20:35< malicor> my problem is that even if the unit gets moved away, the next 'sacrificed' unit gets 'overwritten'
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20090119 16:20:53< malicor> it seems that the new store_unit overwrites the previous variable
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20090119 16:21:58< malicor> the find_vacant has to be in the unstore_unit, right ?
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20090119 16:22:34< zookeeper> of course.
20090119 16:23:38< malicor> i tried to use something i copied from another .cfg file: {FOREACH unitsSacrificed i} [unstore_unit] find_vacant=yes variable=unitsSacrificed[$i] [/unstore_unit] {NEXT i}
20090119 16:23:43< zookeeper> your FOREACH is pointless, too, as there cannot be more than one unit stored there and you're treating it accordingly everywhere else.
20090119 16:23:50< malicor> ah
20090119 16:23:58< malicor> i thought it would be an array
20090119 16:24:00< malicor> if i store again
20090119 16:24:30< malicor> so it's a problem in the [store_unit] part
20090119 16:25:05< zookeeper> i don't see anything wrong with that code otherwise.
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20090119 16:25:18< malicor> well, it does not do what i want it
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20090119 16:25:35< zookeeper> why don't you find out what it does and why?
20090119 16:25:36< malicor> i want that if i sacrifice 2 units, that both will appear again, not just the second
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20090119 16:25:50< malicor> how do i store multiple units ?
20090119 16:25:59< zookeeper> by making the filter match multiple units
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20090119 16:26:03< Shadow_Master> exactly.
20090119 16:26:09< Cernunnos> hi all! =)
20090119 16:26:15< malicor> well, i want to store one now, and one later ?
20090119 16:26:25< Shadow_Master> hi Cernunnos 
20090119 16:26:40< malicor> the filter actually stores all units that moveto 12,5
20090119 16:26:57< malicor> but still if i move two units to 12,5 only the second will appear (and overwrite the first)
20090119 16:27:17< zookeeper> you can append to an existing array with [store_unit].
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20090119 16:27:29< Shadow_Master> mode=append
20090119 16:27:33< malicor> ah
20090119 16:28:04< zookeeper> other than that i have no idea what you really want.
20090119 16:28:25< malicor> i will try that out, maybe mode=append fixes it already
20090119 16:28:34< Cernunnos> @zookeeper, i intended to modify the terrain file as you said, but i'm not making it work.... =(
20090119 16:28:58< zookeeper> Cernunnos, err, yeah, it's always been the most obscure part of mainline WML.
20090119 16:29:08< reborn> Hey, I hate to interrupt but I have a quick question
20090119 16:29:12< reborn> How do you change game eras?
20090119 16:29:20< Cernunnos> aren't you a wizard of some sort?
20090119 16:29:24< Cernunnos> ;)
20090119 16:29:27< zookeeper> in the MP game creation screen
20090119 16:29:36< zookeeper> yeah, but not a terrain graphics WML wizard :p
20090119 16:29:40< malicor> game eras ? can you say in other words what you wanne do, reborn ?
20090119 16:29:56< reborn> Ah, thanks zookeeper
20090119 16:30:11< reborn> I gather that eras are pretty much just fancy names for conversions
20090119 16:30:25< zookeeper> an era is just a set of factions, nothing more.
20090119 16:30:44< Cernunnos> @ zookeeper, i understood you cut the lines about road and pasted them on top of desert ones? isn't it?
20090119 16:30:44< reborn> Mm :)
20090119 16:31:09< zookeeper> Cernunnos, among other things, yes.
20090119 16:31:11< Shadow_Master> Cernunnos: no need for the @ on IRC
20090119 16:31:59< Shadow_Master> e.g. it may make some clients not highlight your speech for the target person
20090119 16:32:02< malicor> the thing with the append doesnt really work, though its doing funny stuff now
20090119 16:32:09< Cernunnos> Shadow_Master, ok, sorry
20090119 16:32:42< Shadow_Master> hey, it's just a suggestion! why people always think I'm giving commands.
20090119 16:32:49< Cernunnos> zookeeper, is it possible to ask you for your terrain-graphics.cfg file? 
20090119 16:33:46< zookeeper> Cernunnos, i don't see you'd need that. there's nothing more to it than what i told
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20090119 16:34:37< Cernunnos> zookeeper, "among other things" quoted from above
20090119 16:34:56< zookeeper> those are things i tried out first
20090119 16:35:15< zookeeper> i don't have them anymore
20090119 16:35:33< zookeeper> not that there was absolutely anything interesting about them, since the problem can be reproduced with just those two lines
20090119 16:36:27< Cernunnos> ok.... well it doesn't work for me, i must be dumb =)
20090119 16:36:58< zookeeper> version
20090119 16:37:04< zookeeper> oh, 1.5.7
20090119 16:37:10< Cernunnos> 1.5.7?
20090119 16:37:14< Cernunnos> yes
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20090119 16:39:34< zookeeper> fine, here: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m7b695728
20090119 16:42:16< malicor> could you look at http://sekati.pastebin.com/m6d3a3bb2 line 380+ again please ?
20090119 16:42:40< malicor> i changed it, and now if i sacrifice a 2nd unit, what happens is, i dont get unit 1 + unit 2 unstored but 2 times unit 1
20090119 16:44:29< Cernunnos> zookeeper, thanks a lot
20090119 16:44:51< Cernunnos> zookeeper, for a backup, works well with desert, not at all with sand =°
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20090119 16:45:29< zookeeper> malicor, i still don't know how you'd even want it to work.
20090119 16:45:39< malicor> ok, i'll try explain
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20090119 16:45:51< malicor> there's 3 territories, one for each player (they cant reach each other)
20090119 16:46:02< malicor> in each territory there's one so-called "sacrifice spot"
20090119 16:46:16< malicor> if a player moves a unit there, it dies, and appears as enemy for both other players in their territory
20090119 16:46:21< malicor> last player standing wins
20090119 16:46:41< zookeeper> oh. well, now i see.
20090119 16:46:44< malicor> so what i need to do is: if a player moves a unit on the "sacrifice spot" kill that unit, and make the very same unit appear somewhere else
20090119 16:47:22< zookeeper> so what was that fuzz about appending about?
20090119 16:48:10< malicor> i dunno how to realize the whole process in WML
20090119 16:48:29< malicor> i tried store_unit, then unstore_unit, then change the variables x,y then unstore_unit again
20090119 16:48:40< malicor> but when i sacrifice multiple units it doesnt seem to work anymore
20090119 16:48:52< zookeeper> give me a minute here, i'll write it for you
20090119 16:49:28< malicor> thanks :) :)
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20090119 16:50:48< Soliton> isn't there a teleport macro you can use?
20090119 16:51:14< malicor> one problem is that i cant just put the existing unit someplace else, since i need TWO copies of each sacrificed unit
20090119 16:51:20< zookeeper> not enough since he wants to copy the unit too
20090119 16:51:36< Soliton> ahh.
20090119 16:51:51< zookeeper> how about this? http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m1ac780e4
20090119 16:52:27< zookeeper> don't worry about the CLEAR_VARIABLE, that's just to prevent the game getting annoyed by getting several units with the same identifiers.
20090119 16:55:33< malicor> let me see
20090119 16:56:17< malicor> so that's supposed to work with multiple units, yes ?
20090119 16:56:20< malicor> i will try it out right now
20090119 16:57:59< zookeeper> what multiple units?
20090119 16:58:29< zookeeper> oh, and of course you need to add in a {VARIABLE unit.side whateversideyouwant} if you want
20090119 16:59:20< malicor> yeah
20090119 16:59:25< zookeeper> you said that sacrifice happens by moving a specific spot. that means you can only sacrifice one unit at a time.
20090119 16:59:30< malicor> with multiple units i mean it works with 2 sacrificed units, too
20090119 16:59:30< zookeeper> +to
20090119 16:59:55< Cernunnos> zookeeper, i tried to play with the order of the different macros, but i'm not able to make it work better than you did (desert to dirt ok, sand to dirt not ok) well, no more time for this, thanks a lot, bye
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20090119 17:05:45< malicor> zookeeper: your solution doesnt kill the unit though
20090119 17:05:57< malicor> whats the most elegant way to do that ?
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20090119 17:08:56< zookeeper> err, right. just add a [kill] for it or store it with kill=yes instead of using the auto-stored $unit var.
20090119 17:09:43< malicor> [event] ... [filter]...[/filter] ... [kill] [/kill] ... [/event]
20090119 17:09:45< malicor> like that ?
20090119 17:10:18< zookeeper> yes or no, depending on what you mean.
20090119 17:10:45< malicor> i try it out quick ;)
20090119 17:10:57< malicor> i dont like it a lot, but try and error ist often quickest way with WML so far :)
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20090119 17:11:48< XeroDgX> hell.........o
20090119 17:12:07< Shadow_Master> hell'o? :)
20090119 17:12:26< Shadow_Master> what kind of dessert is that?
20090119 17:13:13< XeroDgX> :-p
20090119 17:15:35< malicor> i got it, thanks :)
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20090119 17:17:08< XeroDgX> can anybody tell me if Im wrong......when I started playing wesnoth (around 0.8)....the knights could take an unit (an archer for example) and carry him on??
20090119 17:19:04< XeroDgX> Im arguing with my bro about that...and thats what I remember...he says thats it wasn´t in wesnoth
20090119 17:19:42< XeroDgX> so......in earlier versions of wesnoth.. knight could do that?
20090119 17:20:22< XeroDgX> or...in general...any unit whos on horses could do that???
20090119 17:21:21< Shadow_Master> XeroDgX: you are wrong.
20090119 17:21:31< Shadow_Master> that might have been in a user made add-on, but not in mainline.
20090119 17:22:24< XeroDgX> :s
20090119 17:22:29< XeroDgX> ok
20090119 17:24:08< XeroDgX> ok...that make senses cause even colossos did that..... but it make sense that on-horses unit do that but it takes the half of his movements and couldn´t attack......but guess it wahts an user made add-on 
20090119 17:24:29< Shadow_Master> It won't happen in mainline.
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20090119 17:26:24< XeroDgX> yeah,..ive seen that in the faq I think....just was asking and saying what I thought :p
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20090119 18:33:55< Cernunnos> i exchange leaved trees tiles for all four seasons against a 20min exposé about european party system (in french)...
20090119 18:35:28< Cernunnos> well, forget it... lol
20090119 18:38:08 * zookeeper forgets it
20090119 18:38:19 * Soliton lols
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20090119 18:43:28< Shadow_Master> nope!
20090119 18:44:01< Shadow_Master> 'loud' is not a verb! (this message brough to you by Shadow_Master Fortune Cookie company)
20090119 18:44:52< Cernunnos> yeah, thanks for your help! (nothing but a joke, i know the controversy about homework/cheat...)
20090119 18:46:03< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, right, but 'lol' is
20090119 18:46:08< zookeeper> established usage, anyway :p
20090119 18:46:53< Shadow_Master> established usage ain't no established
20090119 18:46:58< Cernunnos> lol is a verb? i'm loling right now, more than i loled yesterday....
20090119 18:47:19< Shadow_Master> ROFL is a verb.
20090119 18:47:28< Soliton> you got to use common sense to place the s right...
20090119 18:47:30< Shadow_Master> "Rolled on the floor and - "
20090119 18:48:52 * zookeeper lols at Shadow_Master
20090119 18:48:58< zookeeper> take that ^___^
20090119 18:49:27 * Cernunnos 's rofling...
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20090119 18:50:12< Cernunnos> XD, see ya! (is "XD" a verb too?.............)
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20090119 18:51:38< Shadow_Master> XD: eXtreme decease.
20090119 18:51:53< Shadow_Master> so I suppose yes, but it isn't good.
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20090119 18:57:23< Shadow_Master> that was very quick.
20090119 18:58:12< Cernunnos> Shadow_Master, talking to me?
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20090119 19:44:40< Cernunnos> question to moderators (webstie) here
20090119 19:44:48< Cernunnos> *website
20090119 19:45:36< Cernunnos> is a topic named "post your replay => you survive an ulf with your adept" 'd be too much?
20090119 19:49:08< Cernunnos> i assume it's a yes?
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20090119 19:52:04< Turuk_> Yes, because it would not get any real replies
20090119 19:52:29< Turuk_> As the chances of that happening are already being debated in another thread and are found to be incredibly small
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20090119 19:55:34< Cernunnos> true... (and even more, i think anyone who has would have posted already) thanks =)
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20090119 19:58:08< Turuk_> Not a problem.
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20090119 21:13:41< XeroDgX_> (H)
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20090119 21:49:33< Cernunnos> question: 
20090119 21:49:39< Cernunnos> is it 
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20090119 21:50:11< XeroDgX> ...
20090119 21:50:22< Cernunnos> sorry, is the fact that you have to type your pass EACH time you xznt to enter the 1.5.7 server has been raised already?
20090119 21:50:58< Cernunnos> * you try to enter, don't know how this xznt get here
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20090119 21:52:09< Cernunnos> should i make a topic about a "remember password" option...?
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20090119 21:57:15< Cernunnos> well, i am
20090119 21:57:19< Cernunnos> =P
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20090119 22:06:17< zookeeper> there already is one in 1.5.8.
20090119 22:06:36< zookeeper> so, i'll lock your thread ;)
20090119 22:07:51< Turuk_> Foiled again!
20090119 22:08:24< zookeeper> another thread locked successfully \o/ i wonder if it'd be possible to view the total count somehow...
20090119 22:08:59< Turuk_> Haha I posted to mention that and lock it and I see zookeeper had been there before me.  Then I come on IRC to note it was all a cunning plan....
20090119 22:09:12< Turuk_> Hmm, sort of how cops compete over issuing the most speeding tickets? ;)
20090119 22:09:20< zookeeper> Turuk_, looks like i tend to be one minute ahead of you every time ;)
20090119 22:09:33< Turuk_> I know, lately I just can't seem to win :)
20090119 22:09:46< lizard_r> zookeeper, would that store my forum password unencrypted on my disc?
20090119 22:10:06< zookeeper> lizard_r, yes
20090119 22:10:14< zookeeper> in your preferences file
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20090119 22:15:04< Cernunnos> zookeeper, thanks for the tip
20090119 22:15:21< Cernunnos> Turuk_, sorry you've been late on this one XD
20090119 22:15:49< Turuk_> Haha it is quite alright
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20090119 22:20:13< Cernunnos> i'm starting a gnumeric table (zookeeper 1/ Turuk 0) you may have some diagrams too XD
20090119 22:20:34< Cernunnos> see ya!
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20090119 23:23:20< Ivanovic> n8
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