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20090120 01:05:34< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090120 03:08:11< reborn> Hello :)
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20090120 05:22:51< joshudson> Would it be reasonable to create an option for turn off map sounds (like turn off map animations)
20090120 05:23:18< joshudson> I found that in Invasion of the unknown, the fire sound in the first two scenarios was chewing up 50% of my CPU time on AI turns
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20090120 06:38:56< reborn> joshudson, you can turn sounds off in preferences
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20090120 07:30:11< will_> sup
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20090120 08:17:42< reborn> Soup.
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20090120 13:38:46< Cernunnos> hi there!
20090120 13:40:20 * Cernunnos would like to know if there are some mainline campaign maintainers around
20090120 13:48:26< zookeeper> _o/
20090120 13:48:50 * zookeeper is maintaining at least eight :p
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20090120 13:52:15< Cernunnos> lol
20090120 13:52:44< Cernunnos> hmm, i'm planning to draw leaved trees, strating monday i think,
20090120 13:53:11< Cernunnos> would like to know if some special trees should be drawn to (while i am at it) for mainline campaigns
20090120 13:53:21< Cernunnos> *drawn too
20090120 13:53:56< Cernunnos> (for example in FF7 end of disc 1 there's white flashy trees...) is there some needs like that?
20090120 13:54:33 * zookeeper thinks
20090120 13:54:40 * Cernunnos waits
20090120 13:55:55< zookeeper> well, i can't think of any special trees as such. of course different kinds of forest terrains would be useful.
20090120 13:56:21< zookeeper> in addition to leaved trees, a bit dark gloomy half-dead forest would be one
20090120 13:56:31< Cernunnos> yup
20090120 13:56:41< zookeeper> snowy tropical forest ;P?
20090120 13:56:57< Cernunnos> i'm planning (not sure i'll go to the end of that since it's a *** big thing):
20090120 13:57:30< Cernunnos> spring/summer/fall/winter/winter+snow/dead trees,maybe i'll skip the spring part
20090120 13:57:46< Cernunnos> lol
20090120 13:58:18< zookeeper> both winter and winter+snow?
20090120 13:58:31< zookeeper> well, i guess that makes sense.
20090120 13:58:50< Cernunnos> won't be the biggest modification imo
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20090120 13:59:23< zookeeper> i presume you'll be making the actual trees in those tiles identical though, and just adding in leaves, snow etc to make the different season variants?
20090120 13:59:46< Cernunnos> that was basically the idea yes
20090120 13:59:55< zookeeper> great. just checking.
20090120 14:00:22< Cernunnos> well, if you or any other maintainer find a scenario where it is mentonned "this precise type of trees/forest" i'll may give a try
20090120 14:01:21< Cernunnos> as for your previos question, do you mean the same tiles exactly? or just trees, however i organize them?
20090120 14:01:30< zookeeper> same tiles exactly
20090120 14:01:39< Cernunnos> was not sure about that
20090120 14:02:02< Cernunnos> i understand the scenario point
20090120 14:02:43< zookeeper> i figured that then the season or snowiness could change mid-scenario without the trees shuffling about when it happens...although i'm not sure if the random tile picker would probably just pick different variations anyway when the surrounding tiles change, maybe.
20090120 14:03:13< Cernunnos> i wanted to ask this question about the randomness, didn't had the time =)
20090120 14:03:54< Cernunnos> maybe with same order and same probability in the macros terrain_base_prob (exactly)
20090120 14:05:21 * Cernunnos things that he's not the wizard here... ;)
20090120 14:05:41< Cernunnos> well with "thinks" 'd had been better....
20090120 14:13:26< Cernunnos> zookeeper, once again, well, if you or any other maintainer find a scenario where it is mentonned "this precise type of trees/forest" i'll may give a try
20090120 14:13:34 * Cernunnos is afk
20090120 14:17:13< zookeeper> ok
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20090120 14:50:17< Cernunnos> zookeeper, 2 questions
20090120 14:51:40< Cernunnos> is the fact that the game stats (turn/village/income etc...) are real small as been raised already (in 1.5.7)
20090120 14:51:43< Cernunnos> ?
20090120 14:52:31< Cernunnos> Wouldn't it be better to have an accessibility button to change the font-size?
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20090120 15:16:41< zookeeper> err, i don't understand the first question at all.
20090120 15:16:55< zookeeper> you mean the font size in the top bar?
20090120 15:18:18< zookeeper> the problem is that the theme engine can't really resize anything dynamically according to how much space some piece of text takes. so if the user could adjust the font size, the text would probably just end up cutting off at the edges.
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20090120 15:31:08< elwood> hi guys
20090120 15:35:45< Cernunnos> hi
20090120 15:35:52< Cernunnos> zookeeper, ok...
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20090120 15:36:22< elwood> is a support channel or a gamer place?
20090120 15:36:50< Soliton> both.
20090120 15:37:19< elwood> great :) i just love this game
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20090120 17:07:18< Ivanovic> hi
20090120 17:09:43< Cernunnos> hi :)
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20090120 17:35:05< Cernunnos> thespaceinvader, =P yourself !!
20090120 17:36:21< thespaceinvader> Cernunnos: i'm just doing some fiddling now, actually =)
20090120 17:37:04 * Cernunnos searches in is ictionnary lol
20090120 17:37:13< Cernunnos> *dictionnary
20090120 17:37:55< Cernunnos> thespaceinvader: you play violin? XD
20090120 17:38:21< thespaceinvader> lol no
20090120 17:38:45< thespaceinvader> fiddle in a less comon definition meaning... making minor changes, in this nstance
20090120 17:39:05< thespaceinvader> i used ot play the violin though...
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20090120 17:48:15< Cernunnos> thespaceinvader, whatever you do, i think you should be careful since it seems the favourite unit of Turuk...
20090120 17:48:23< Cernunnos> ;)
20090120 17:49:06< thespaceinvader> Cernunnos: we'll see what he thinks of it ;)
20090120 17:52:26< thespaceinvader> Cernunnos: i've uploaded an edit =)
20090120 17:54:36< Cernunnos> thespaceinvader, definitively better for the chainmail!!
20090120 17:57:18< Cernunnos> thespaceinvader, but the rifle seems to be tuned with painting instead of beeing engraved imo
20090120 17:58:02< thespaceinvader> hmm, there might be a way to fix that - i duplicate of the layer, slightly offset and darkened would help i suspect
20090120 18:01:05< thespaceinvader> nah, i tried it and it looked odd - it's worked for other things where the engraving's been on a flatter service, but this one just looks odd
20090120 18:01:13< thespaceinvader> ah well, painted is fine by me =)
20090120 18:06:32< Cernunnos> thespaceinvader, yeah, the more i look at it and the more i found it fine!! woohooo one more to commit for ya?!
20090120 18:07:29< thespaceinvader> assuming Kitty OKs it, yeah
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20090120 18:38:13< Cernunnos> Turuk knows all!! argh!!
20090120 18:38:45< Turuk> Haha I do.  Just remember that ;)
20090120 18:38:58< Cernunnos> (but he didn't lock any topic today =° 
20090120 18:39:02< Cernunnos> zookeeper 1 - Turuk 0... ;)
20090120 18:39:21< Turuk> Hmm, well, I cannot just lock any ol' topic. :)
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20090120 18:42:29< Cernunnos> loser XD
20090120 18:43:49< Cernunnos> (with the meaning that you're losing, not that you are a loser of course)
20090120 18:44:02< Turuk> Mhmm. Surrreee. I'll remember this.....
20090120 18:44:36 * Cernunnos must learn english better
20090120 18:45:00< Cernunnos> or i will get into troubles...
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20090120 18:50:21< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090120 18:53:40< Cernunnos> hi
20090120 19:02:22< Cernunnos> Turuk, btw, iirc you're maintainer on some campaigns, have you seen what i told zookeeper some hours ago?
20090120 19:03:56< Cernunnos> about trees
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20090120 19:05:58< Woodmouse> hello
20090120 19:06:07< Woodmouse> lot of people here it seems
20090120 19:10:41< Soliton> animals are common as well.
20090120 19:15:18< Turuk> About trees? I am not maintainer on anything that is mainline Cernunnos
20090120 19:19:58< Cernunnos> Turuk, oh ok, i thought you were, sorry
20090120 19:20:22< reborn> Woodmouse: Lots of people who tend to say very little
20090120 19:20:25< Turuk> Quite alright, that is more the realm of ESR and zookeeper
20090120 19:21:52< Cernunnos> ok, thanks for the tip :) (and the locking thing was not meant to offend you, honestly)
20090120 19:22:11< Turuk> Haha it's ok, I understand completely
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20090120 19:35:46< zookeeper> we don't have a lot of active campaign maintainers at all
20090120 19:38:46< zookeeper> that's like...me, esr, fendrin...and, err, i guess that's more or less it.
20090120 19:40:01< zookeeper> we have a whole bunch of official but inactive or just completely vanished maintainers though -.-
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20090120 20:27:44< reborn> What do you mean by maintainers, zookeeper?
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20090120 20:29:41< lizard_r> the one who has the main resposibility about an project
20090120 20:32:14< lizard_r> reborn, he also decides when to release a project.
20090120 20:33:23< reborn> So like, a project manager?
20090120 20:33:37< reborn> There are lots of projects that have sort of been dropped then?
20090120 20:34:05< lizard_r> I think so, for example there is a thread about abonden campaigns
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20090120 20:35:16< reborn> Are there many completed campaigns?
20090120 20:35:27< reborn> Most of the popular addons seem to be eras or survival maps
20090120 20:35:41< lizard_r> the completed&polished campaigns are in mainline
20090120 20:35:55< lizard_r> I think ESR is a big campaign fan ;-)
20090120 20:36:32< reborn> I supppose that makess sense, lizard :P
20090120 20:36:53< reborn> What tools are used for campaign making? Are they all in the wesnoth-tools package?
20090120 20:37:15< lizard_r> no, you can use any text editor for that
20090120 20:37:40< lizard_r> (exept microsoft editor, he screws up linebreaks)
20090120 20:38:32< reborn> Uh right, so coded in what language?
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20090120 20:38:45< reborn> I kind of have very little knowledge about this kind of thing :P
20090120 20:38:58< lizard_r> there once was a easy campign editor (campgen), but it lacks a "maintainer"^^
20090120 20:39:26< reborn> Heh :P
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20090120 20:42:52< Soliton> campaign maintainers are people that like maintain campaigns.
20090120 20:43:22< Soliton> fix bugs, improve stuff, etc..
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20090120 20:44:07< Soliton> reborn: content for wesnoth is in WML - wesnoth markup language.
20090120 20:48:33< reborn> And I guess it is similar to others, Soliton?
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20090120 20:49:52< Soliton> define others.
20090120 20:50:22< fabi> reborn: WML is like html or xml a tag with attribute based language.
20090120 20:50:34< lizard_r> but with [] instead of <>
20090120 20:51:49< fabi> reborn: I believe It's best to take a look. Just load the scenario file of a well known scenario and beginn to read. I believe one can understand most things from scratch.
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20090120 20:52:54< reborn> I might, just
20090120 20:53:08< reborn> I am interested in dabbling with scenario creation
20090120 20:53:12< reborn> I am just not sure how to go about it
20090120 20:53:19< reborn> So I will have a look some time
20090120 20:53:20< reborn> Thank you :)
20090120 20:53:36< Soliton> top down.
20090120 20:57:39< Soliton> actually i suppose you could writing one scenario after the other call bottom up so i guess that's possible, too.
20090120 20:58:17 * Soliton moves 'call' to the right place.
20090120 20:58:53< fabi> Soliton: top down versus bottom up in context of a campaign/extension?
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20090120 21:00:36< Soliton> campaign design* yeah.
20090120 21:03:35< Soliton> top down seems the proper way to me.
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20090120 21:20:01< Cernunnos> ...
20090120 21:22:24< reborn> :x
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20090120 22:37:38< zookeeper> Cernunnos, you can always have the forest have some non-grassland background
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20090120 22:37:59< zookeeper> like the current forest has savanna as the base, not grassland, to make it stand out better
20090120 22:38:15< Cernunnos> ??!!???!!!
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20090120 22:40:08< zookeeper> i thought you were saying the tree didn't work well on grassland in your thread.
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20090120 22:41:16< Cernunnos> zookeeper, yes, the "??!!???!!!" was about the savanah part
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20090120 22:41:31< Cernunnos> i hadn't noticed that before
20090120 22:41:37< zookeeper> oh.
20090120 22:41:50< Cernunnos> well, seems that it's an overlay but draws some savannah when on grassland
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20090120 22:42:14< Cernunnos> wizardry!!
20090120 22:42:24< Cernunnos> :)
20090120 22:43:00< zookeeper> indeed
20090120 22:44:26< Cernunnos> yeepiii! that's already better! you're a genius! thks
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20090120 22:44:56 * Cernunnos is happy
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20090120 22:46:54< Ivanovic> n8
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20090120 22:49:45< Cernunnos> zookeeper ; thanks again, just edited my post, this way i won't forget about it! (have i said yeehah already?) :)
20090120 22:50:39< Cernunnos> by the way zookeeper 1 lock + 1 split, Turuk => 0.... XD
20090120 22:50:45< zookeeper> \o/
20090120 22:50:58< Turuk> Turuk has two splits today actually
20090120 22:51:04< Turuk> He just does not advertise them
20090120 22:51:21< Turuk> and he apparently talks in the third person now?
20090120 22:53:47< zookeeper> oww.
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20090120 22:57:15< Cernunnos> oops, sorry Turuk... (how many splits for a lock btw? XD)
20090120 22:57:24< Turuk> Haha for your scoreboard, none.
20090120 22:57:49< law_> anyone know where to get jb's Dark Forecast scenario?
20090120 22:57:59< Turuk> I have not locked anything since Sunday.
20090120 22:58:18< law_> it was published in 1.3, but it doesn't seem to be on the campaign server unless there's another name for it
20090120 22:59:57< Cernunnos> I think Dark Forecast is in mainline?
20090120 23:00:01< Cernunnos> no?
20090120 23:00:57< Cernunnos> Turuk, that's because you banned Midnight_Carnival/Grey_Area/The Joker maybe?
20090120 23:01:20< Turuk> Well no, Midnight_Carnival and Grey_Area are around, he just knows not to fiddle with having two accounts
20090120 23:01:25< Turuk> Cobra/The Joker is banned, yes
20090120 23:02:00< law_> Cernunnos: mainline?
20090120 23:02:09< fabi> Cernunnos: Can you tile your tree trunks earlier? Having a root that doesn't split from ground to top isn't common with leave trees.
20090120 23:02:30 * law_ waits for cache to clear out...
20090120 23:03:19< Cernunnos> law_ i think if you go in create game, you have Dark Forecast by default at least in 1.4, nearly sure in 1.5
20090120 23:04:01< Cernunnos> fabi, you mean like having 2 trunks for a sole tree?
20090120 23:04:43< law_> Cernunnos: ah thanks, i see it now :)
20090120 23:04:52< law_> so much as changed since the 1.2 days
20090120 23:05:16< fabi> Yes, most leave tree tile in two more or less equal sized trunks early.
20090120 23:05:35< Cernunnos> Turuk, since you banned him/them more than 2 hours after i start to count, the count is changed!! woohoo! (should i count 2 bans? lol)
20090120 23:06:04< Turuk> Ah well, you cannot really count bans, they are handled by forum administrators, and so usually fall to Ivanovic
20090120 23:06:10< Turuk> Beyond my power.
20090120 23:06:35< Cernunnos> fabi, well this was just for a first test, but since i'll make different trees (maybe different species if i manage it) then yes, i'll do
20090120 23:07:02< Cernunnos> fabi, so i'm writing your comment so i won't forget it :)
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20090120 23:08:04< Cernunnos> law_ you're welcome
20090120 23:08:18 * Cernunnos is now afk :) 
20090120 23:09:33< fabi> Cernunnos: maybe you can get some inspiration from the german game "Die Siedler". It could be "The settlers" in english. There is pixel artwork for leave trees included, I believe this is done well.
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