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20090122 00:01:16< Soliton> grüü doesn't seem to have made that leap.
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20090122 00:06:35< thespaceinvader> soliton: is the total damage for the Great not more than for the Warrior?
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20090122 00:09:42< Soliton> it is.
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20090122 00:13:22< thespaceinvader> soliton: QED then.  he may not articulate it, but he has made the leap =P
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20090122 00:14:24< Soliton> he's doing about the same damage per hit he's just doing one more...
20090122 00:14:50< Soliton> and he does not appear to be anymore sophisticated or intelligent to me.
20090122 00:15:43< thespaceinvader> eh, it's all a matter of perspective
20090122 00:16:01< thespaceinvader> compared to the troll using a bit of tree he's ripped out of the ground, he's sophisticated and clever
20090122 00:16:02< Soliton> if you define a smart troll as a strong troll you're right of course.
20090122 00:16:12< thespaceinvader> compared to an elf, he's not so much...
20090122 00:21:02< Cernunnos> There is no need to argue there, "The smarter troll is the one with the biggest club" that's an ol' troll proverb! that's all!
20090122 00:21:58< Cernunnos> no need to count damages and things like that, the smarter troll of all times raised this and only point about trolls intelligence
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20090122 00:22:32< Cernunnos> moreover, this same smarter troll of all times didn't knew how to count
20090122 00:22:50< Cernunnos> and last, he had the bigger club! QED (whatever this means)
20090122 00:22:54< Cernunnos> =P
20090122 00:24:13< thespaceinvader> QED: quod erat demonstrandum, latin forthat which was to be demonstrated, or more simply,  thus it is proven.
20090122 00:25:08< Cernunnos> i knew the idea behind it not what the letters standed for, thanks :)
20090122 00:26:41< thespaceinvader> ah ok
20090122 00:26:44< thespaceinvader> wasn't sure
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20090122 00:35:39< Cernunnos> np np =)
20090122 00:36:04< Cernunnos> well see ya, maybe trees soon eheh
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20090122 01:32:22< JordiGH> Is there a torrent for the Windows binary? I want to play with non-free friends. :-)
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20090122 01:33:18< Soliton> why can't they download from sf?
20090122 01:33:58< JordiGH> Bit slow, I hear...
20090122 01:34:09< Soliton> uh?
20090122 01:34:13 * JordiGH shrugs.
20090122 01:34:27< JordiGH> Soliton: Or at least one mirror was a bit slow.
20090122 01:34:40< Soliton> i hear they have several.
20090122 01:35:23< JordiGH> Yeah, I think eventually my friend changed mirrors and found a better one. Just thinking a torrent would be nice, that's all.
20090122 01:35:34< JordiGH> So there isn't one? TPB has a couple, but they seem to be old.
20090122 01:36:08< Soliton> i doubt you can match sf speed with it but anyone is free to start one...
20090122 01:37:42< JordiGH> Hm, so friend is gonna download 1.4.7, but I have 1.4.7 from Debian... I should install 1.4.7 too, right?
20090122 01:37:51< JordiGH> Er, I have 1.4.4
20090122 01:38:04< Soliton> no need really.
20090122 01:38:11< Soliton> stable versions are compatible.
20090122 01:38:17< JordiGH> Oh, they're compatible?
20090122 01:38:35< JordiGH> It's only when the minor version changes, not the minor-minor?
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20090122 01:39:13< Soliton> for stable releases, yes.
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20090122 02:58:35< JordiGH> Heh.
20090122 02:58:45< JordiGH> "Album: The Battle for Wesnoth OST"
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20090122 07:00:24< oOarthurOo> I'm experiencing crazy lags again
20090122 07:00:43< oOarthurOo> I have updated my game to the latest stable. 
20090122 07:01:09< oOarthurOo> My internet is always working, I tested this by watching a torrent whiel the game is frozen.
20090122 07:01:33< oOarthurOo> It sometimes freezes for about four minutes, then continues on.
20090122 07:01:57< oOarthurOo> A few turns at least, then again a freeze of a few minutes. Other players rarely put up with it for long.
20090122 07:02:48< oOarthurOo> I've updated my router's firmware, and connectd via wired cable instead of wireless, and removed the router entirely, all without any effect.
20090122 07:03:05< oOarthurOo> Sometimes the game plays normally, on multiplayer,but this is rare.
20090122 07:04:17< oOarthurOo> At this point my best guess is... my ISP is mistaking wesnoth traffic for p2p and throttling it.
20090122 07:04:24< oOarthurOo> Is that even possible?
20090122 07:12:48< mordocai> "Sometimes the game plays normally, on multiplayer, but this is rare". Does this mean that you are also experiencing single-player problems? If so, it is not possible that it is anything to do with your internet... otherwise, i'd try disabling firewalls/antivirus temporarily and see if it seems to work better.
20090122 07:23:03< oOarthurOo> No... I just meant, when playing multiplayer, sometimes I am not affected by the severe lag. Say... every 1 game out of 5
20090122 07:23:28< oOarthurOo> And if I start up an online game and play all sides, or against computer opponents, I never have problems.
20090122 07:24:59< oOarthurOo> And I don't run antivirus, and firewall isn't running
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20090122 08:27:22< reborn> Wait, did he say he was running torrents while playing online?
20090122 08:27:28< reborn> Because that's usually not a good idea
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20090122 10:03:27< Cernunnos> hi all
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20090122 14:42:55< Cernunnos> receiving spam from irc, is this on this channel?
20090122 14:43:01< Turuk_> Nope
20090122 14:43:04< Cernunnos> *from this channel?
20090122 14:43:05< Turuk_> At least I am not getting it
20090122 14:43:29< Cernunnos> ok, thanks Turuk
20090122 14:43:37< Turuk_> Always glad to help. ;)
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20090122 14:44:56< Cernunnos> Turuk, and with your comment about the summer tree i'm reassured!! =)
20090122 14:45:10< Turuk_> Yeah, I do like it, I just hope it's made into a forest
20090122 14:47:02< Cernunnos> yeah, waiting for beetlenaut pm, to know if we should both continue or what...
20090122 14:47:44< Turuk_> I'm sure he'll be willing to collaborate
20090122 14:48:02< Cernunnos> well, he could also collaborate alone lol
20090122 14:48:18< Cernunnos> at least until monday he will be alone on it for sure
20090122 14:50:15< Turuk_> ah fair enough
20090122 14:50:24< Turuk_> well Wesnoth work is done in weeks and months, not hours and days ;)
20090122 14:52:10< Cernunnos> Turuk, while i'm thinking about it, can i ask you what you're doing in the real world to have this much time to devote to Wesnoth?
20090122 14:52:26< Turuk_> Last year of university and in the Army
20090122 14:52:55< Cernunnos> and you have a computer all day long to be on?
20090122 14:53:02< Turuk_> I am fairly busy despite appearances, but I am usually near a computer.... yup ;)
20090122 14:53:12< Cernunnos> ok!
20090122 14:56:42 * Cernunnos is back to European party system
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20090122 15:56:08< Cernunnos> Turuk, that's two contributions i see with white outlines on the shadow, is this having something to do with the forum?
20090122 15:56:23< Turuk_> I'm not sure, I think it was put on there by the user
20090122 16:00:14< Cernunnos> downloaded his zip, and there's no white thing, but i'm not sure he made hiszip after the shadow...
20090122 16:00:35< Cernunnos> *after changing the shadow
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20090122 16:05:43< Turuk_> yeah, I saw Vendanna's comment
20090122 16:09:44< Cernunnos> ...
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20090122 16:19:31< Cernunnos> outch, been owned lol
20090122 16:19:52< Turuk_> hmm?
20090122 16:20:34< Cernunnos> about the gif...
20090122 16:20:44< Turuk_> ahh
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20090122 16:23:35< Turuk_> and with that, I'm out for a bit
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20090122 17:20:47< MONODA_> how do i use items???
20090122 17:21:50< Soliton> what items?
20090122 17:22:27< MONODA_> like the vial of potion in Heir to the Throne
20090122 17:22:39< MONODA_> which makes melee attacks arcane
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20090122 17:23:10< Soliton> well, you just move a unit on it?
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20090122 17:23:33< MONODA_> then does everyone get the effects of the item?
20090122 17:23:47< Soliton> no, just that unit...
20090122 17:23:51< Rhonda> MONODA_: The unit that finds it quaffs it immediately, that greedy bastard.
20090122 17:24:16< MONODA_> oh thanks
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20090122 17:24:40< MONODA_> but are you sure that this specific item doesnt effect the whole party?
20090122 17:25:21< Rhonda> Definitely, it won't make the melee attacks of everyone arcane, that would be insanely overpowered
20090122 17:25:48< MONODA_> hmmm... ok thanks
20090122 17:26:00< MONODA_> what are some good resources about items?
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20090122 17:26:32 * Cernunnos didn't get what you just said
20090122 17:26:59< MONODA_> where can i get some info on items?
20090122 17:27:25< Rhonda> They are pretty rare usually
20090122 17:27:52< MONODA_>  :'( 
20090122 17:28:32< Cernunnos> yup, this would be actually fine to have some help like that...
20090122 17:28:37< lizard_r> Play Hall of Lame if you want to get items
20090122 17:28:49< Soliton> data/core/macros/items.cfg
20090122 17:28:54< Cernunnos> lol
20090122 17:32:04< Cernunnos> i didn't knew this one: ITM_WISHINGWELL
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20090122 17:33:30< Rhonda> MONODA_: I meant the items are pretty rare. Not the informations. Or rather, wouldn't need to be. On the other hand, given that they items themself are rare noone did see the need to do some more documentation on that part.
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20090122 17:39:04< Soliton> zookeeper: there is OBJ_HOLY_ANKH defined in Liberty but never used.
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20090122 17:42:59< zookeeper> Soliton, right, i'll clean it up then..
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20090122 18:36:05< Ivanovic> hi
20090122 18:37:53< elwood> hi
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20090122 18:51:07< zookeeper> Soliton, actually i think i'm gonna leave it in for now, i might want to wire it back in at some point (and not lose possible translations)
20090122 18:51:22< zookeeper> (it's not like it's doing any harm there)
20090122 18:51:43< Soliton> sure, was just wondering if it was left there without reason.
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20090122 18:54:30< Turuk_> Thrawnwesnoth, I think you win the most puns in a sentence.
20090122 18:55:23< Thrawnwesnoth> ^_^
20090122 18:55:31< Thrawnwesnoth> Turuk: thanks
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20090122 18:55:48< Turuk_> axe this branch of the conversation was a nice touch
20090122 18:56:23< Thrawn> I hope they get my point
20090122 18:57:37< Turuk_> Indeed
20090122 19:00:44< fabi> The forum - where can I see the topics that I have bookmarked?
20090122 19:00:56< Turuk_> User Control Panel
20090122 19:01:12< Turuk_> Manage Bookmarks
20090122 19:02:26< fabi> Turuk_: thank you. It's a little bit to deep in the gui for my taste.
20090122 19:03:05< Turuk_> Not a problem, and yes, a bit.  It took me a while to find it first too, and I cannot say I use it much really.
20090122 19:03:52< fabi> Turuk_: I have the following problem: I maintain UtBS. But i didn't create the campaign feedback topics. How can I wach them?
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20090122 19:04:36< fabi> I am used to the "View your posts" thing, but they aren't.
20090122 19:05:17< Turuk_> Ah, you can subscribe to them at the top of each thread
20090122 19:05:46< Turuk_> On the left side of the first post, it says Subscribe topic, Bookmark Topic, and E-Mail Friend
20090122 19:05:52< Turuk_> Subscribe will let you know when people post in that thread.
20090122 19:06:00< fabi> Turuk_: I did that but they don't appear in "View your posts".
20090122 19:06:09< Turuk_> Hmm....
20090122 19:06:28< Turuk_> Time for an experiment
20090122 19:06:36< Turuk_> which one do you have bookmarked?
20090122 19:06:42< Turuk_> *subscribed
20090122 19:07:19< fabi> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=10479
20090122 19:07:42< fabi> I am missing the black dot on it.
20090122 19:07:55< Turuk_> Ok, I made a post, did you get any notification in your inbox or anything?
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20090122 19:10:17< fabi> Turuk_: Nothing.
20090122 19:10:20< Turuk_> Bah.
20090122 19:11:16< Turuk_> Now I'm at a loss.
20090122 19:12:57< fabi> Turuk_: I can't see your message at the forum.
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20090122 19:13:26< Turuk_> I deleted the post I tested in that topic, but I just wanted to know if it notified you by some means to the fact that there was a new post
20090122 19:13:30< Thrawn> um, just make a folder of bookmarks "UtBS_feedback" on your browser
20090122 19:13:40< Thrawn> and check them daily?
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20090122 19:14:48< Shadow_Master> RSS ?
20090122 19:16:21< fabi> Turuk_: I have found an email that is a day old. I guess the one for the current message will arrive in the future.
20090122 19:16:47< Turuk_> Hmm, that is a bit of a waste then as you could probably see the forums a great deal faster
20090122 19:16:55< fabi> I must admit, I don't read that mails, they have grown to much.
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20090122 19:25:39< fabi> Maybe I am just going to post a empty ping message in every thread, just to activate it as "View your posts" worthy.
20090122 19:25:59< Turuk_> Why not just put yourself as the original poster?
20090122 19:26:19< fabi> Huh
20090122 19:26:27< Turuk_> I don't think Quartex would be too offended
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20090122 19:26:47< fabi> Haven't seen him for ages. I hope he is still alive.
20090122 19:27:15< Turuk_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&p=143850#p143850
20090122 19:28:21< Turuk_> Like so ^
20090122 19:29:15< Tomsik> Oh damn, you tricked me into going to wesnoth forum
20090122 19:29:17< Tomsik> I am doomed now
20090122 19:29:27< Turuk_> Ahhh!
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20090122 19:30:56< Turuk_> Fabi, does it come up in view your posts now?
20090122 19:31:42< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090122 19:32:40< fabi> Turuk_: No, can't find it.
20090122 19:32:59< Turuk_> Hmm, well in view your posts, in the search bar, put in UTBS
20090122 19:33:04< Turuk_> It should work then as a faster way to find it
20090122 19:33:11< Turuk_> I'm just making you the OP for all of those threads
20090122 19:35:17< Soliton> zookeeper: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=334183#p334183 either that wasn't committed or just some things were overlooked. maybe you know?
20090122 19:36:31< fabi> Turuk_: yes, found it. That works. But I can't capture all Threads I want to follow. Maybe I need to use that bookmark feature. Thanks for your help.
20090122 19:36:50< Turuk_> Not a problem, glad to help.
20090122 19:37:33< zookeeper> Soliton, i think it was removed only from the campaign description
20090122 19:39:38< zookeeper> i'm not sure what the intention was originally
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20090122 20:33:32< Cernunnos> Turuk, about the abandoned campaign topic, are you also searching for the campaign forum or just the serve?
20090122 20:33:40< Cernunnos> *server
20090122 20:34:26< Cernunnos> ahh, there was an underscore
20090122 20:34:47< Cernunnos> Turuk_, ?
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20090122 20:38:06< Turuk_> Hey I'm here now, what's up Cernunnos?
20090122 20:38:12< Turuk_> What about that topic?
20090122 20:39:30< Cernunnos> nothing wrong, just wanted to know if you checked the old pages of the campaign forum too (like 56 pages) you know what i mean?
20090122 20:39:52< Turuk_> Oh, for abandoned campaigns?
20090122 20:40:09< Cernunnos> yup, or are you just checking the servers
20090122 20:40:25< Turuk_> Most of that back then was us wading through the sea of add-ons to pick out what had been abandoned and labeling it so people could work on it later if they wanted
20090122 20:40:48< Turuk_> That was back when I finally registered on the forums after a while of lurking ;)
20090122 20:41:43< Cernunnos> that mean you watched over all forum pages to see what was abandoned?
20090122 20:42:14< Turuk_> Well, a combination of going through what was on the old add-on server and comparing it to the forum pages to see if anyone was still working on it.
20090122 20:42:20< Turuk_> PMing some of  the authors to see if they were still around.
20090122 20:42:34< Cernunnos> ok, lot of work then!!
20090122 20:42:51< Turuk_> A bit, there used to be a spreadsheet and everything we shared via email
20090122 20:43:03< Cernunnos> was just asking so maybe i would have been able to find something not mentionned in the topic
20090122 20:43:26< Cernunnos> like searchin at pages 30 to 40 or example and so on
20090122 20:43:58< Turuk_> Going back that far? Most likely you'll find some, we did not cover nearly all of the campaigns that have been abandoned
20090122 20:44:13< Turuk_> Not to mention a number have been abandoned since that thread was active
20090122 20:45:19< Cernunnos> i don't know i don't find something for me in this topic: simple and interesting
20090122 20:45:27< Cernunnos> lol, maybe this is not existing eheh
20090122 20:45:36< Turuk_> Dec of 2007 was the last bit of posts that actually concerned collecting information for our list, most of the posts after that are people trying to claim something to do ;)
20090122 20:45:41< Turuk_> You just want something small to work on?
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20090122 20:47:05< Cernunnos> "the following answer won't engage its author in anyway regarding finishing the campaign or requesting help abusively"
20090122 20:47:07< Cernunnos> why not
20090122 20:47:21< Turuk_> Hmm? What is that quote from?
20090122 20:48:06< Cernunnos> nothing, just made it for personal insurance :)
20090122 20:48:30< Turuk_> Ahh ok.
20090122 20:49:55< Turuk_> If you want to go back way back and fiddle with 1.0 campaigns
20090122 20:49:56< Turuk_> http://wesnoth.org/files/addons/1.0/unpacked/
20090122 20:50:08< Turuk_> All the files from the old add-on server
20090122 20:51:15< Cernunnos> nothing is published about it or should i check?
20090122 20:51:48< Turuk_> The list....
20090122 20:51:54< Cernunnos> oh just, find some published ones, i'll be careful not to work on them
20090122 20:52:32< Turuk_> here would be a good place to reference
20090122 20:52:33< Turuk_> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=243767#p243767
20090122 20:53:04< Turuk_> There is no harm in taking work that is old and updating it to the newer servers, plus it gives you a chance to try your hand at modifying/changing WML
20090122 20:53:37< Turuk_> If you are looking to finish incomplete campaigns (I think I get you now), you can always dig through the list I gave you and old threads to try and find if they are abandoned and someone has the files
20090122 20:54:07< Cernunnos> "I think I get you now" yeah, sorry i explain this bad
20090122 20:54:07< Turuk_> Some published campaigns are considered abandoned though because they were never finished (only a few scenarios done, or something like that)
20090122 20:54:14< Turuk_> It's ok, it's a language thing ;)
20090122 20:55:22< Cernunnos> ok, thanks for the links =)
20090122 20:55:36< Turuk_> Not a problem, happy to help :)
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20090122 21:11:27 * Cernunnos smiles at some oooolllldddd stuff
20090122 21:11:56< Turuk_> Yeah, some of it is ancient
20090122 21:12:45< Cernunnos> this : http://wesnoth.org/files/addons/1.0/unpacked/Werewolves/ is excellent btw
20090122 21:13:11< Cernunnos> (even if not a campaign, can give quite a lot of ideas!!)
20090122 21:14:03< Turuk_> Very true, though I do believe they were turned into the Warg
20090122 21:14:28< Cernunnos> the warg?
20090122 21:14:33< Shadow_Master> the UMC UtBS :D Ah, those days...
20090122 21:14:52< Shadow_Master> (not related to the warg)
20090122 21:15:12< Turuk_> Ah, well then
20090122 21:15:25< Cernunnos> yes, just found about the warg
20090122 21:15:34< Cernunnos> EoM
20090122 21:15:44< Turuk_> Yup, you'll notice the images are similar ;)
20090122 21:15:44< Shadow_Master> UtBS was probably the best campaign I had ever played back then
20090122 21:17:20< Cernunnos> too bad i can't find them there http://www.wesnoth.org/units/trunk/C/era_of_magic.html
20090122 21:17:51< Cernunnos> i palyed UtBS only on BfW 1.4 but was really good also
20090122 21:18:31< Cernunnos> ohh that's myth and not magic...
20090122 21:20:22< Cernunnos> found =), yup the same =(
20090122 21:21:36< Shadow_Master> the UMC feel was kind of different
20090122 21:23:55< Cernunnos> afk for work... :/
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20090122 21:38:34< Shadow_Master> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=334257#p334257... what?
20090122 21:39:34< Turuk_> Just let it be and ignore it ;)
20090122 21:40:06< Shadow_Master> but I demand an explanation! what does it mean!
20090122 21:40:30< Shadow_Master> is it the reason of our existence? I need to know!
20090122 21:40:33< Shadow_Master> ;)
20090122 21:40:40< Turuk_> Haha you should ask then.
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20090122 22:01:37< Cernunnos> Shadow_Master, i think i understood he wants to use those sprites to make a civ era...
20090122 22:01:54< Cernunnos> ... the point being that the original post has the same idea...
20090122 22:02:02< Cernunnos> :D
20090122 22:04:09< Cernunnos> btw, is it possible to search for one users post... eheh...=°
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20090122 22:08:00< Soliton> you can specify the author.
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20090122 22:12:53< Cernunnos> Soliton, thanks, i found clicking on user's profile then search user posts, but thanks
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20090122 22:28:17< Gnutoo> hello, if wesnoth move all its code to python...will still be playable on slow embedded systems like the openmoko Freerunner(armv4t@400Mhz without FPU)
20090122 22:29:46< Tomsik> I highly doubt that
20090122 22:30:14 * Shadow_Master too
20090122 22:30:18< Ivanovic> Gnutoo: there is no real plan to move wesnoth to python
20090122 22:30:22< Shadow_Master> but don't worry, it won't happen
20090122 22:30:24< Ivanovic> trust me, i know what i talk about...
20090122 22:30:25< Shadow_Master> ivanovic beat me to it
20090122 22:30:31< Gnutoo> ok thanks a lot
20090122 22:30:59< Tomsik> Wesnoth is a resource-hog even as it is written in C++.. in python it would be terrible
20090122 22:31:32< Ivanovic> Tomsik: wesnouth is a resource-hog because it grow over what it was initially meant to be
20090122 22:31:52< Ivanovic> that is: lots of stuff was never designed with this much flexibility and options in mind
20090122 22:32:05< Tomsik> I guess it's all because of that config class
20090122 22:32:07< Ivanovic> making the whole thing grow to a level, where the "old" structures are highly inefficent
20090122 22:32:12< Tomsik> maps ain't that fast
20090122 22:32:42< Ivanovic> so wesnoth could be faster (using less cpu and ram) with a rewrite in python
20090122 22:32:51< Tomsik> but I don't think anyone would abandon these when moving to python
20090122 22:32:53< Ivanovic> though it would be the same, if such a rewrite was done in c++
20090122 22:33:03< Ivanovic> main problem at the moment is the controller class
20090122 22:33:05< Ivanovic> it is a mess
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20090122 23:34:46< Ivanovic> n8
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