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20090128 02:04:01< kthakore> grzybacz, still there?
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20090128 05:48:21< bluefoxicy> Any thoughts on a Wesnoth port to the Homebrew Channel?
20090128 05:49:50< Appleman1234> bluefoxicy, what is the homebrew channel ?
20090128 05:50:08< AddZero> wii?
20090128 05:50:18< AddZero> wii!
20090128 05:50:20< bluefoxicy> Appleman1234:  it's a Wii channel that loads programs off the SD card.  ScummVM hash a port to it in their official branch.
20090128 05:50:36< Appleman1234> bluefoxicy, oh ok
20090128 05:50:39< bluefoxicy> (hence, I have monkey island on Wii)
20090128 05:50:42< Lord_Aether> Didn't somebody propose this on the forums not so long ago?
20090128 05:50:49< Appleman1234> it was proposed
20090128 05:50:52< bluefoxicy> i have no idea, Id on't read the forums
20090128 05:51:13< bluefoxicy> I'm banned from enough places on the net
20090128 05:54:22< Rhonda> I have no idea, but if someone would sponsor for the development I guess it might happen earlier.
20090128 05:55:38< Lord_Aether> I think that the consensus was that if you want to do it, go for it - the devs are too busy with other things.
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20090128 05:57:20< AddZero> crazy thought: would a wiiware developer be able to make and sell a port?  they would just have to release it free as well?
20090128 05:57:46< Lord_Aether> Read the GPL :)
20090128 05:58:06< AddZero> yeah...
20090128 05:59:33< Rhonda> Lord_Aether: I haven't said that one of the current devs would pick it up. But without the hardware to test on it's still hard to do - for _anyone_.
20090128 05:59:58< Rhonda> ... and I was rather assuming that bluefoxicy isn't able to do it himself, otherwise he'd propably tackle it instead of asking.
20090128 06:00:09< bluefoxicy> that would be really cool but
20090128 06:00:26< Rhonda> AddZero: Of course one is able to sell.
20090128 06:00:48< Lord_Aether> Rhonda:I didn't mean to imply that what you said was incorrect
20090128 06:00:52< Rhonda> AddZero: Do you want to buy the Debian package for 50,- dollars from me?
20090128 06:02:07< AddZero> If that was the only 'legal' way I could get it for my system, maybe.
20090128 06:03:40< Rhonda> Alright, you can have it for 20,-. With update-option.
20090128 06:03:45< AddZero> haha
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20090128 06:13:46< bluefoxicy> you know
20090128 06:13:53< bluefoxicy> ... why not?
20090128 06:14:12< bluefoxicy> ... oh right, because it's hundreds of megs.
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20090128 06:27:05< bluefoxicy> battle for wesnoth makes more sense when you understand what the fucking crap "Chaotic Good" means
20090128 06:27:35< bluefoxicy> but I still don't understand what the hell kind of alignment "Lawful Evil" is
20090128 06:31:18< noy> is there a list of evil or good?
20090128 06:31:26< bluefoxicy> no
20090128 06:31:31< noy> exactly
20090128 06:33:13< Lord_Aether> good and evil don't really exist in wesnoth, at least not so much as they affect gameplay o.o
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20090128 06:33:41< bluefoxicy> do these sorts of games always carry D&D elements?
20090128 06:34:11< Lord_Aether> More like D&D carries elements of all these.
20090128 06:34:25< bluefoxicy> D&D is from the 80s though
20090128 06:34:40< Lord_Aether> chaotic and lawful don't really affect fights in D&D
20090128 06:35:42< Lord_Aether> So, I think that the terminology used in wesnoth of chaotic and good doesn't really equate to the D&D concepts of such
20090128 06:36:22 * bluefoxicy wonders if it's actually possible to base a game on D&D
20090128 06:37:04< Lord_Aether> I was kinda joking :P
20090128 06:52:27< Rhonda> bluefoxicy: There are evil ways of interpreting laws, like opression and stuff?
20090128 06:53:00 * Rhonda wonders what's so hard to understand thee.
20090128 06:53:53< Rhonda> bluefoxicy: And if you google for TSR D&D you'll find quite some games that are based on D&D.
20090128 06:54:24< Lord_Aether> Neverwinter Nights comes to mind...
20090128 06:54:55< Rhonda> Hmm, wait, no, that wasn't TSR, TSR was the paper one ...
20090128 06:55:18< Lord_Aether> What is TSR?
20090128 06:55:45< Rhonda> bluefoxicy: Don't know your age, but if you think it's not possible to base a game on D&D you surely are young and never had a c64 or amiga.
20090128 06:55:56< Rhonda> Lord_Aether: Like, the company behind D&D?
20090128 06:56:12< Lord_Aether> Wizards of the Coast?
20090128 06:56:23< Rhonda> SSI, right!
20090128 06:56:29< Rhonda> Yes, nowadays, they bought it up.
20090128 06:56:39< Rhonda> bluefoxicy: google for SSI D&D
20090128 06:56:44< Lord_Aether> Has been since I got into it :P
20090128 06:57:09< Rhonda> Pool or Radiance, classic :)
20090128 06:57:20< Rhonda> Then you are young, too
20090128 06:57:27< Lord_Aether> I suppose :P
20090128 06:58:22< bluefoxicy> Rhonda:  I"m 23
20090128 06:58:59< Rhonda> Yeah, supposed that more or less as upper limit
20090128 06:59:03 * bluefoxicy has just been reading Order of the Stick too much...
20090128 07:00:07< Rhonda> off to bed
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20090128 07:21:11< ybit> how do you load an addon such as the high seas mod?
20090128 07:21:22< ybit> i downloaded it, but want to know how to play it
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20090128 11:51:52< Cernunnos> hola!
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20090128 13:27:48< Ivanovic> hi
20090128 13:28:30< Tomsik> hi
20090128 13:30:18< Ken_Oh> sup
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20090128 14:26:30< Cernunnos> thespaceinvader, didn't you forget the attachment?
20090128 14:27:12< Cernunnos> (as usual? =) )
20090128 14:27:35< thespaceinvader> which post?
20090128 14:27:37< thespaceinvader> probably
20090128 14:27:58< Cernunnos> gryphon rider?
20090128 14:28:22< thespaceinvader> definitely
20090128 14:28:24< thespaceinvader> attached
20090128 14:28:29< Cernunnos> lol, bye
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20090128 19:10:13< Cernunnos> hola (again)
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20090128 21:26:00< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090128 21:28:26< grzywacz> http://entitycrisis.blogspot.com/2009/01/giant-python-powered-robots.html
20090128 21:28:26< grzywacz> ;]
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20090128 21:36:01< noy> grzywacz:  this part I found interesting: "with small sections of C which run in hard-real-time to guarantee safety."
20090128 21:36:05< noy> hmmmmmm
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20090128 21:36:42< grzywacz> noy, what exactly about it?
20090128 21:37:01< noy> the obvious implication is that "python isn't fully safe" 
20090128 21:37:12< grzywacz> It's not hard-real-time.
20090128 21:37:17< noy> I'm kidding
20090128 21:39:36< ilor_> grzywacz: what's not hard-real-time?
20090128 21:40:56< Soliton> noy: the implication is that C is faster than Python and thus needed for real-time tasks.
20090128 21:41:38< noy> I guessed as much Soliton, just the way he wrote it made it suggest something else
20090128 21:42:44< ilor_> Soliton: I'd rather say that the implication is that for hard-real-time, as in, 1-tonne claw falling real time, you need safety code written in a language where you can count cycles.
20090128 21:44:11< Soliton> if you want to make it incomprehensible for a normal person, sure. :-P
20090128 21:46:43< ilor_> hm, if I wanted to make sure something happens in a specified number of milliseconds, I wouldn't trust a GC'd language
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20090128 21:57:27< grzywacz> ilor_, precisely...
20090128 21:57:40< grzywacz> ilor_, well, GC in Python is still more predictable than in Java ;)
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20090128 21:59:20< Cernunnos> thespaceinvader, the bars are at a really better place now, just my opinion, bye
20090128 21:59:30< thespaceinvader> thanks Cernunnos 
20090128 22:00:37< Cernunnos> thespaceinvader, welcome
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20090128 22:21:16< carldani> hi
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20090128 22:29:06< carldani> I'm having problems using the downloadable campaings in Wesnoth 1.4.5 under Linux.
20090128 22:29:25< Shadow_Master> add-on campaigns?
20090128 22:29:42< carldani> only very few of them appear on the campaing screen after downloading them from inside wesnoth
20090128 22:29:45< carldani> yes
20090128 22:30:21< Shadow_Master> probably you didn't download campaigns then
20090128 22:30:29< Shadow_Master> not all add-ons are campaigns. some are MP maps or eras
20090128 22:30:44< carldani> ah ok
20090128 22:32:23< carldani> I just used the menu built into wesnoth to download "extensions" and selected some
20090128 22:32:42< carldani> assuming these would be campaigns
20090128 22:33:04< Soliton> you're assumption is flawed.
20090128 22:33:46< carldani> Yhat's why I came here. I was sure somebody would know what's up.
20090128 22:34:19< carldani> are there any non-default campaings which can be recommended?
20090128 22:34:45< zookeeper> dead water is nice
20090128 22:35:59< carldani> thanks!
20090128 22:36:32< carldani> is Era of Magic a campaing as well?
20090128 22:36:42< zookeeper> invasion from the unknown, a rough life (i'm not sure if that's somewhat buggy in the later scenarios or not),
20090128 22:36:43< zookeeper> no
20090128 22:36:45< carldani> (singleplayer campaingn)
20090128 22:36:48< zookeeper> anything with "era" in the name is an era.
20090128 22:37:08< carldani> hmm ok
20090128 22:37:39< carldani> I have to admit that my wife is playing Wesnoth all the time and I just play tech support
20090128 22:37:50< Ivanovic> n8
20090128 22:38:00< Soliton> a rough life kills your heros all the time, reverting it back to a lower level in case you leveled it.
20090128 22:38:13< zookeeper> that sucks
20090128 22:38:30< zookeeper> oh, and of course there's the ooze mini-campaign :]
20090128 22:39:12< carldani> THANK YOU ALL for such a great game.
20090128 22:39:42< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: was it made compatible with 1.4?
20090128 22:41:01< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, it's only for 1.4
20090128 22:41:23< Shadow_Master> um, ah, indeed.
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20090128 22:43:17< carldani> I read the Wesnoth wiki, but the era concept is a bit unclear to me. Does an era influence a singleplayer campaign in any way?
20090128 22:43:31< Soliton> no.
20090128 22:44:00< Soliton> they define what factions are available in multiplayer games.
20090128 22:44:13< Soliton> and a faction defines what units you can recruit.
20090128 22:44:26< carldani> ahh. That explains it. Thanks.
20090128 22:44:48< Soliton> in singleplayer that's not clearly defined and can change in any scenario.
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20090128 22:50:26< carldani> I need to open a few bugreports for typos and somesuch in campaings. Are reports or patches preferred?
20090128 22:51:11< Shadow_Master> mainline campaigns?
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20090128 22:52:00< Soliton> there is a wiki page for that. it's mentioned in the bug report page.
20090128 22:52:21< Soliton> for non-mainline campaigns report them in the appropriate forum thread.
20090128 22:52:23< carldani> a few bugs in mainline campaings, yes. but these are mostly translation bugs.
20090128 22:52:26< zookeeper> but since we have lots of nice people here right now, you can just state them here
20090128 22:53:10< zookeeper> ah, translations. nevermind then.
20090128 22:53:16< Shadow_Master> carldani: translation bugs go to each translation maintainers
20090128 22:53:30< carldani> sorry, I can't remember them off the top of my head. My wife noticed them during playing. I'll read through the files and report according to official instructions
20090128 22:53:34< Shadow_Master> http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/WesnothTranslations
20090128 22:53:41< Shadow_Master> pick your maintainer for your favoirte translation
20090128 22:54:07< carldani> Shadow_Master: what about non-default campaings with bugs in the original english texts?
20090128 22:54:34< Shadow_Master> carldani: as Soliton said, the respective forum threads.
20090128 22:54:50< zookeeper> yup, find the campaign's thread in the scenario & campaign dev subforum and report there
20090128 22:54:53< carldani> Shadow_Master: sorry, I somehow overlooked that line. Will do.
20090128 22:58:24< grzywacz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_HXUhShhmY
20090128 23:04:02 * Shadow_Master hates "naked" YouTube links.
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