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20090207 00:03:54< Shadow_Master> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=337393#p337393 nice
20090207 00:04:56< Shadow_Master> you know, kitty_'s mages and LordBob's loyalists *must* be in the 1.6 announcement. ( ESR_ , in case you happen to be thinking about it )
20090207 00:05:22< ESR_> What about them?
20090207 00:05:29< Shadow_Master> mentioning them?
20090207 00:05:41< thespaceinvader> that's done =)
20090207 00:05:58< Shadow_Master> I was talking about the 1.6 announcement, not 1.5.9
20090207 00:06:08< thespaceinvader> if and when I have time, I'll split out the glowy bit and make it a halo, since it's breaking TC a bit in a couple of places...
20090207 00:06:09< Shadow_Master> that secret draft you have hidden there for Ivanovic
20090207 00:06:37< ESR_> No, I mean, what's so aggressively cool about them?  Yes, I know, Kitty is an art goddress and I love her work, but why these in particular?
20090207 00:07:03< Shadow_Master> ESR_: because they make 1.6 shine?
20090207 00:07:09< thespaceinvader> they do rawk, you're right, but weren't the mages in 1.4?
20090207 00:07:25< loonycyborg> ESR_: So you think that I can release the .dll in the installer without changing the license to GPL3?
20090207 00:07:27< Shadow_Master> oh, um, only in the last releases :p
20090207 00:07:34< thespaceinvader> and tbh, there's plenty of other new portraits, too, though those are the best...
20090207 00:07:48< zookeeper> let's make a flash announcement with music and portraits and animations and minigames!
20090207 00:07:53 * thespaceinvader isn't too offended that you forgot that the dwarves are nearly completed now...
20090207 00:07:56< thespaceinvader> 2 units left...
20090207 00:08:09< Shadow_Master> thespaceinvader: I play to little with dwarves, sorry :(
20090207 00:08:19< thespaceinvader> no worries
20090207 00:08:20< Shadow_Master> I also forgot about the Initiate.
20090207 00:08:29< thespaceinvader> they're only really in the latest dev release...
20090207 00:09:31< Shadow_Master> thespaceinvader: the main problem actually is that I don't play :P LordBob's stuff called my attention when it started working out my old laptop's wifi adapter, and I handled Kitty's portraits personally
20090207 00:09:56< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, btw, a portrait for the runesmith line might be useful too. they're not used much in 1.6 (except a bit in SoF), though, but still.
20090207 00:09:58< Shadow_Master> so currently even a 1280x1024 JPEG file can pass under my radar
20090207 00:10:03< thespaceinvader> ahh, i knew commit access would have its downsides
20090207 00:10:09< ESR_> loonycyborg: It depends on what RMS had for breakfast this morning.  FSF's guidance on the "system library" issue has been vague, and they have a diffeent theory of "linkage" than anyone else.
20090207 00:10:24< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: i'll add it to the list, but i want to do some generics for the orcs as a priority
20090207 00:10:34< thespaceinvader> i've been looking forward to working on them for aaaages
20090207 00:12:20< Shadow_Master> I can't unpack the msvc++ 2008 redistributable to read its license, too bad.
20090207 00:12:22< loonycyborg> ESR_: I think that msvcr fits the definition of system library in GPL3 and would be more comfortable using it.
20090207 00:13:51< ESR_> loonycyborg: Then go that route. I'm not being vague on purpose, there realluisn't what Al gore would call "controllong legal authority" here. 
20090207 00:13:53< loonycyborg> Hence my question: can I redistribute wesnoth under GPL3 only in installer?
20090207 00:14:49< ESR_> I don't see why not.  The "or, at your option, anyt later version" language in v2 is designed to permit this.
20090207 00:15:09< Shadow_Master> Sirp was unsure about the GPL v3 IIRC.
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20090207 00:16:57< loonycyborg> ESR_: How should I handle it packaging-wise? Substitute COPYING file with gpl3 one in the installer?
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20090207 00:18:21< ESR_> loonycyborg: Yes, that should do fine.
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20090207 00:24:36< Shadow_Master> holy wrong rectangle calculation, batman.
20090207 00:26:19 * Shadow_Master goes the cowardly path and tries to set a clipping rectangle
20090207 00:32:20< Shadow_Master> nice.
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20090207 00:40:11< Sapient> incidentally, we inherited the msvcr71.dll issue with Python
20090207 00:41:00< Sapient> if you look on Python/Windows mailing lists you'll see a lot of debate about the legal ramifications
20090207 00:42:00< loonycyborg> Yep. Mingw can't even link against msvcr71.dll reliably. That issue exists only because python releases are compiled with MSVC
20090207 00:42:24< loonycyborg> And compiling python with MinGW is PITA.
20090207 00:42:28< Sapient> and Microsoft likes it that way
20090207 00:43:03< Sapient> they have encouraged the Python developers to keep using Visual Studio by providing them a special exemption for distributing the dll
20090207 00:43:24< Sapient> but that doesn't help us or anyone in the redistribution chain
20090207 00:45:25< Sapient> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=306419#p306419
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20090207 00:53:44< Sapient> here's an interesting project: http://jove.prohosting.com/iwave/ipython/pyMinGW.html
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20090207 01:02:12< Sirp> Sapient: maybe we should just not ship a Windows binary for a release or two, and instead put a note telling our users of the trouble and telling them who at Microsoft to call or email to complain about it? 
20090207 01:02:32< Sapient> here's another one: http://python-mingw.donbennett.org/
20090207 01:02:58< Sapient> Sirp: or we could just build with -DDISABLE_PYTHON 
20090207 01:03:42< Sapient> I think we should encourage silene to replace the PythonAIs with LUA-AIs
20090207 01:04:37< Sapient> although I'm sure you would hate to see all that work on FormulaAI go to waste, it does look like he could make some of that work redundant
20090207 01:05:55< Sirp> Sapient: I don't like petty politics. I rather things be decided based on what is technically better than who wrote what where.
20090207 01:06:15< Sapient> petty politics ?
20090207 01:06:31< Sapient> sorry I'm not sure what you are referring to there
20090207 01:06:59< Sirp> Sapient: well if I wanted to try and block any of silene's good work because I didn't want any of my work to go to waste, I would consider that to be 'petty politics'. :)
20090207 01:07:20< Sirp> if silene's solution is technically better, we should absolutely use it.
20090207 01:07:38< Sapient> ah, right. well I think it has the *potential* to be technically better
20090207 01:07:51< Sapient> but "bird in the hand, two in the bush" as they say
20090207 01:08:32< Sapient> what's needed is people who want to work on it consistently
20090207 01:09:34< Sapient> we have a lot of people stating that LUA is awesome and a lot of people trying to improve the AI for some class or another
20090207 01:09:53< Sapient> you would think that eventually someone would appear who fits both categories
20090207 01:09:53< Sirp> Sapient: indeed.
20090207 01:12:01< Sapient> the PythonAI is more problematic due to safty concerns / sandboxing and the distribution issues with msvcr71.dll
20090207 01:13:00< Sirp> is anyone actually seriously using the Python AI?
20090207 01:13:09< Sapient> and the FormulaAI is, let's facing it, not seeing any work lately
20090207 01:13:37< Sapient> Sirp, I am pretty sure we have some campaigns, or at least one, using it
20090207 01:13:44< Sirp> okay
20090207 01:14:16< Sirp> Sapient: to be honest, I am doubtful that we will see a great deal of good come from ANY non-C++ AI project at this stage.
20090207 01:14:57< Sapient> well, getting a more competitive AI for the default era isn't the only goal I forsee
20090207 01:15:17< Sirp> sure. I think the most important goal is to allow scenarios 
20090207 01:15:23< Sirp> to have their own AI
20090207 01:15:26< Sirp> to make a scenario more interesting
20090207 01:15:45< Sapient> we've got a lot of customization in the WML, and an AI could conceivably play with you on these new games
20090207 01:15:54 * Sirp nods
20090207 01:17:13< Sapient> but Wesnoth has been in the polishing stages for a long time now so I don't expect to see "great deals of good" in many areas, to use your term ;)
20090207 01:19:40< Sapient> just small deals of good :)
20090207 01:22:01< Sirp> Sapient: it's just that writing an AI is a very hard task, compared to other things.
20090207 01:22:55< Sapient> true, true
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20090207 01:23:24< Sapient> so a great deal of effort for a small bit of improvement
20090207 01:23:50< Sapient> well, that's probably why *I'm* not working on it ;)
20090207 01:24:10< Sirp> well, I just doubt that BobTheMighty, for instance, could write an AI that could play one of his scenarios effectively
20090207 01:24:22< Sirp> writing the AI would probably be about 5x harder than making the scenario. :)
20090207 01:24:42< Sapient> let me give an example of a fairly easy one
20090207 01:24:56< Sapient> there's a Mech War era that allows some missiles to be shot
20090207 01:25:09< Sapient> other than that, it's fairly standard combat rules
20090207 01:25:18 * Sirp nods
20090207 01:25:30< Sirp> sure, I agree that there are areas it would be nice....
20090207 01:25:40< Sapient> you could make a pretty dumb AI that occaisionally shoots a missile at an enemy in range
20090207 01:27:13 * Sirp nods
20090207 01:27:36< Sirp> and, btw, the formula AI should already be pretty much capable of that.
20090207 01:28:38< Sapient> mm hmm... maybe it just needs a good tutorial
20090207 01:29:15< Sirp> yeah, if it was polished up a little it'd probably be rather usable for basic things...
20090207 01:29:23< Sapient> I'm still relatively ignorant to its capabilities, though I have read the wiki pages
20090207 01:29:28 * Sirp nods
20090207 01:30:47< Sapient> it may not be as hard to grok as TerrainGraphicsWML, but the documentation / examples are a bit lacking
20090207 01:31:25< Sirp> yes, I do agree with that.
20090207 01:31:43< Sirp> it also might require a little polishing, just because it hasn't been used enough in real cases to find all the little features it needs
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20090207 01:31:54< Sirp> Sapient: the key thing is that it makes it very easy to fall back to the default AI
20090207 01:32:06< Sapient> yes, that's pivotal
20090207 01:32:27< Sapient> some human players even like to do that ;)
20090207 01:32:31< Sirp> so you could start by searching for good places to shoot a missile from, and if you can't find any, fall back to the default AI
20090207 01:32:58< Sirp> or for instance, you could use the formula AI to do all recruiting for you
20090207 01:33:06< Sirp> but leave everything else to the default AI
20090207 01:33:41< Sapient> but what if the formulaAI decides it's best not to recruit, will the defaulAI break his wallet? 
20090207 01:34:24< Sirp> ehhh yeah I think that is actually a problem with that case.
20090207 01:34:35< Sirp> well, you could probably set the default AI's recruitment pattern so it never recruits
20090207 01:34:42< Sirp> and then make the formula AI do all the recruiting
20090207 01:35:06< Sapient> like you may be trying to save up for Dwarvish Thunderers but the defaultAI keeps buying Dwarvish Fighters
20090207 01:35:34< Sirp> yeah, ...but I think it's easy  enough to convince the default AI not to recruit at all.
20090207 01:36:06< Sapient> right, recruitment_pattern
20090207 01:37:23< Sirp> basically I think that if we could get people into developing things with the formula AI, most well-defined things scenario designers want could be done with either no change, or with small additions. 
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20090207 01:38:06< Sirp> (when I say 'well defined' I mean if they say 'I want the leader to move along this path' not 'I want the AI to hire a few skeletons or ghosts, depending on what the enemy has, and then move with the leader in a group cautiously up to the north edge of the map, only attacking if it seems like a real good idea')
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20090207 01:39:37< Sapient> right, but if people really want to do projects for their AI class like genetics algorithms or whatever, they'll likely want a more fully formed language
20090207 01:40:12< Sapient> I guess those people are probably misguided and don't have a lot to offer the project, so we shouldn't worry about catering to them
20090207 01:43:33< Sirp> Sapient: if people want to do some kind of advanced AI project, I think they should be introduced to the wonders of C++
20090207 01:43:55< Sapient> right
20090207 01:44:04< Sirp> it's reasonably likely it's going to  need to be efficient anyhow
20090207 01:47:22< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r32632 /trunk/src/widgets/progressbar.cpp: Indentation.
20090207 01:48:09< Sapient> maybe FormulaAI should support inline assembler code then ;)
20090207 01:48:21 * Sapient j/k
20090207 01:52:32< CIA-70> thespaceinvader * r32629 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/units/Dwarvish_Rune_Lord.cfg: Minor update to Karrag's animation in tHoT
20090207 01:52:46< CIA-70> loonycyborg * r32630 /trunk/projectfiles/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Committed McShark's projectfiles update.
20090207 01:53:10< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r32631 /trunk/src/widgets/progressbar.cpp: 
20090207 01:53:10< CIA-70> Cast a clip_rect_setter when drawing the highlighted portion of the
20090207 01:53:10< CIA-70> progress test, to avoid it being drawn at inappropriate times.
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20090207 02:03:05< Shadow_Master> 00:43 <Sapient> they have encouraged the Python developers to keep using Visual Studio by providing them a special exemption for distributing the dll
20090207 02:03:15< Shadow_Master> special exemptions are evil. It's all or nothing.
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20090207 02:31:37< fabi_> is there a known bug with the damage calculation dialogue(the prediction)?
20090207 02:37:07< Sapient> no, I haven't heard of it
20090207 02:37:27< Sapient> probably related to the new widget code
20090207 02:38:04< Sapient> though the code was really a hack to begin with
20090207 02:38:38< Sapient> it used some really weird alignment tricks rather than extending the base classes to support the desired layout
20090207 02:40:41< fabi_> It's hard to reproduce, under some circumstances the dialogue predicts a unit getting healed to full during the combat.
20090207 02:45:46< Sapient> oh
20090207 02:45:52< Sapient> I misunderstood
20090207 02:46:00< Derekkk> It could be a unit with "drain"
20090207 02:46:14< Sapient> but if the dialogue is making that mistake then the AI likely is also
20090207 02:46:24< Sapient> since they share the same code
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20090207 03:13:16< fabi_> segfault
20090207 03:14:04< fabi_> when switching sound ratio (hz)
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20090207 03:15:21< fabi_> Sapient: Maybe that is the problem with the ai being still to cautious.
20090207 03:15:38< fabi_> Sapient: I can reproduce it know. 
20090207 03:16:31< fabi_> s/know/now
20090207 03:29:33< fabi_> https://gna.org/bugs/?12950
20090207 03:34:11< Sapient> thanks, fabi
20090207 03:38:36< fabi_> Sapient: can you reproduce it?
20090207 03:38:58< Sapient> not right now, I'm working on the two bugs assigned to me
20090207 03:45:15< Sapient> looks like bug #12946 is invalid
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20090207 03:55:50< Sapient> this may sound odd, but I really preferred it when autosaves were at the end of turn
20090207 03:56:30< Sapient> it's very noticable when the delay comes right at the beginning of your turn when you are eager to start doing stuff
20090207 03:58:46< Sapient> and the automatic replay save at the end of scenario should say Yes/No instead of OK/Cancel... since you don't "cancel" something you never initiated in the first place
20090207 03:59:15 * Sapient directs his last feedback to ESR_
20090207 04:04:05< Sapient> hmm.. speaking of linger mode, it seems like set_menu_items are still available
20090207 04:09:30 * happygrue wishes the automatic replay save in multiplayer also included the opponent's name
20090207 04:10:49< Soliton> s
20090207 04:13:10< Sirp_> happygrue: well one of the problems is that you'd have to contain the name of every opponent.
20090207 04:13:13< Sirp_> though I agree it'd be nice
20090207 04:13:32< happygrue> yes, but it is really more of an issue for 1v1 games anyway
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20090207 04:14:07< happygrue> including 6-8 names is obviously a bad idea
20090207 04:14:16< Sirp_> happygrue: it does seem like a good idea.
20090207 04:15:06< CIA-70> soliton * r32633 /trunk/src/server/game.cpp: correctly report controller changes and mention transferred AI sides last again
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20090207 04:16:03< happygrue> I think the default naming is a bit verbose right now - including the whole "2p_-_caves_of..  _replay"  gets pretty long, when really it could be "REPLAY_caves_sirp" or something
20090207 04:16:25< Sirp_> happygrue: yeah, but then we'll need to add some kind of 'summary_name' field to scenarios
20090207 04:16:59< happygrue> true
20090207 04:19:39< happygrue> in any case, knocking off the "2p_-_" at the start would be an improvement I think
20090207 04:19:52< happygrue> I doubt that would make anyone mad?
20090207 04:20:44< Sirp_> well I think it'd be nice to have the 2p bit to show it was a two player game
20090207 04:20:50< Sirp_> but I think the _-_ could be replaced with just a -
20090207 04:21:23< Sirp_> I suppose we could argue for an algorithm to summarize scenario names
20090207 04:21:37< Sirp_> like the first word of the scenario name, unless it's less than n characters in which case the first two words
20090207 04:21:39< happygrue> I think most people remember the names of the map, making the 2p redundant.  
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20090207 04:22:36< happygrue> that would be nice, but it is a pretty minor detail anyway I guess.
20090207 04:24:22< happygrue> while on the subject, putting "replay" at the start rather than the end of the filename seems more logical to me, thus separating replays from saves a bit more clearly, but I guess there is merit either way
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20090207 05:17:41< Sapient> what up PK
20090207 05:17:46< PK> nm
20090207 05:17:56< PK> yourself?
20090207 05:18:03< Sapient> in tha house
20090207 05:18:16< PK> I see you guys edge closer and closer to 1.6, congrats on keeping this wonderful game going.
20090207 05:18:21< PK> not that I'd expect any less.
20090207 05:18:24< Sapient> fixin the bugs
20090207 05:19:01< PK> so whats wesnoth 2.0 gonna be? Elven Archers with automated laser guns, and trolls with machetes? =P
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20090207 05:20:55< ikarius> wesnoth 2.0: UFO defense
20090207 05:21:02< PK> that would be interesting.
20090207 05:21:06< ikarius> UFO == unidentified flying orc
20090207 05:21:14< ikarius> orcs with frikkin lazer beams
20090207 05:21:19< PK> definatly.
20090207 05:21:24< PK> in 3d and realtime, of course.
20090207 05:21:36< ikarius> heathen!
20090207 05:21:38< PK> or maybe, they'll never get to 2.0 and it'll just be 1.9999999999999
20090207 05:21:49< PK> endlessly.
20090207 05:21:50< Sapient> lol, good one ;)
20090207 05:21:57< ikarius> you said the R word!
20090207 05:22:01< Sapient> we should totally do that
20090207 05:22:13< PK> cause yanno, if it went to 2.0 it'd be "wesnoth 2"
20090207 05:22:18< Sapient> just add another nine every release
20090207 05:22:20< PK> which, makes no sense, since its not a sequel.
20090207 05:22:59< ikarius> where's the realtime kickhammer?
20090207 05:23:06< PK> lol
20090207 05:23:10< PK> it was sarcasm
20090207 05:23:18< PK> i would quit wesnoth if it was realtime, I'd lose 3x as often
20090207 05:23:21< ikarius> I know, so was my comment ;)
20090207 05:23:21< PK> since yanno, I turtle.
20090207 05:23:33< PK> turtling fails )= sadfaic
20090207 05:23:48< PK> still, entertaining.
20090207 05:23:51< ikarius> mmm, turtles are nearly as hated as campers
20090207 05:23:58< PK> pfft.
20090207 05:24:03< PK> I'm better at fps
20090207 05:24:10< PK> cause yanno, I like those better than strategy.
20090207 05:24:25< PK> its less scary when you put no effort into building up your attack force.
20090207 05:24:46< PK> cause theres less consequence to losing it, which you usually don't cause you can make the standards more even.
20090207 05:25:06< Sapient> fraggers are more hated than campers, though
20090207 05:25:21< Sapient> in games where you have fragmentation shells anyways
20090207 05:25:47< PK> which is most WWI --> Modern fps
20090207 05:26:02< PK> some futuristic, but less so there.
20090207 05:26:21< PK> I prefer just shooting people, grenades aren't always reliable.
20090207 05:26:37< Sapient> can I quote you on that?
20090207 05:26:37< PK> cause every games grenades are different.
20090207 05:27:28< PK> some go straight like a GL even though they're thrown (Resistance) some bounce twice and blow up (Halo) some just blow up on timers (Realistic Shooters like COD)
20090207 05:27:48< PK> with a gun, you point, and shoot, and generally unless you're using something like a ratchet and clank gun, it goes straight.
20090207 05:28:26< PK> and grenades are easier to dodge, too
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20090207 05:29:50< PK> its not like my words are copyrighted material, Sapient.
20090207 05:30:04< PK> =P
20090207 05:30:14< Sapient> <PK> I prefer just shooting people, grenades aren't always reliable.
20090207 05:30:21 * Sapient quoted ;)
20090207 05:30:29< PK> kay.
20090207 05:30:48< PK> but yeah, I'm hoping that by 1.6 someone uploads an era with working movetypes so I can steal whatever they did right.
20090207 05:31:07< Sapient> hmm.. you can't find any?
20090207 05:31:21< PK> in 1.5.8 they had like 2 ears
20090207 05:31:22< PK> eras*
20090207 05:31:28< PK> 1 was a mod of default
20090207 05:31:36< PK> the other was feudal.
20090207 05:31:44< Turuk> EoS is in 1.5x
20090207 05:31:54< PK> and I dunno why, but feudal was messy on mine.
20090207 05:32:07< PK> hrm, I didn't see it in the thing.
20090207 05:32:10< PK> wierd.
20090207 05:32:11< Turuk> Age of Legends Era...
20090207 05:32:16< PK> nor that.
20090207 05:32:23< PK> the list was short, really, really short.
20090207 05:32:24< Turuk> Era of Magic
20090207 05:32:32< PK> oh good lord, don't say that word infront of me =P
20090207 05:32:35< Turuk> War of Chaos Era, Wild Era, Imperial Era
20090207 05:32:46< Turuk> Era of Myths, Feudal Era... yeah
20090207 05:32:58< PK> still, I only saw two. which I found strange.
20090207 05:33:03< PK> I'll check it out again
20090207 05:33:06< Turuk> on 1.5.9?
20090207 05:33:11< PK> 1.5.8
20090207 05:33:21< PK> like I said.
20090207 05:33:45 * Turuk runs 1.5.8
20090207 05:34:28 * Turuk sees all the same eras he just named....
20090207 05:34:31< PK> oh now theres abunch
20090207 05:34:40< Turuk> :\ 
20090207 05:34:52< Turuk> Magic
20090207 05:35:13< PK> I refuse to use anything in magic for hopes of preventing foodpoisoning.
20090207 05:35:29< PK> but I'll try with one of these. now that they're there.
20090207 05:35:48< Turuk> Well, they've always been there.  You're just now able to see they are there. :P
20090207 05:36:32< PK> I dunno why they weren't available *shrug*
20090207 05:39:59< PK> why does notepad make that little box instead of moving to the next line, its annoying at how messy it is.
20090207 05:40:25< Sapient> unix vs dos line-endings
20090207 05:40:45< Sapient> try wordpad
20090207 05:41:53< Sirp_> is Microsoft actually planning on fixing that at some stage?
20090207 05:41:59< Sirp_> I mean, seriously, how hard could it be?
20090207 05:42:15< Sirp_> or is it fixed in vista?
20090207 05:42:19 * Turuk thinks Sirp_ gives Microsoft too much credit. ;)
20090207 05:42:22< Sapient> beats me
20090207 05:42:42< ikarius> microsoft doesnt give a shit about that
20090207 05:43:38< PK> hrm
20090207 05:43:44< Sapient> ikarius: how do you know the mind of microsoft?
20090207 05:43:47< PK> well I checked out imperial era
20090207 05:43:50< Sapient> you must be one of them!
20090207 05:43:54 * Sapient gasp
20090207 05:44:09< Sirp_> if Microsoft was run like Google is, this wouldn't happen.
20090207 05:44:09< PK> aaand other than them not using {UNREACHABLE} theres no difference
20090207 05:44:18< PK> so I'm stumped, again.
20090207 05:44:27< Sirp_> at Microsoft, every team has their own code in its own repository etc
20090207 05:44:55< Sirp_> at Google, someone would get annoyed at it, would go find the code, and fix it.
20090207 05:45:06< PK> In Scottland every Viking Berserker has two battleaxes and a pony.
20090207 05:45:17< Turuk> PK, your movetypes do not work at all?
20090207 05:45:22< PK> they don't show up, period.
20090207 05:45:38< PK> the units have the unreachable trait and 100% evasion in all terrain, and their resists don't get factored in
20090207 05:46:31< Turuk> care to share the whole folder instead of the _main.cfg?
20090207 05:46:32< PK> they worked previously in 1.4 I changed the new tundra and flat terrains, and added in reef, and changed the 100's to {UNREACHABLE} like in defaults'
20090207 05:46:50< PK> like how?
20090207 05:47:06< Turuk> Compress the folder, send by PM
20090207 05:47:11< PK> mmm, kay
20090207 05:47:32< PK> it'll take me awhile, since I'm illegally still using trial version of both of the things I compress stuff with >>
20090207 05:47:46< ikarius> mmm, right. I'm a microsoft employee secretly plotting to infect the wesnoth source code with windows specific features
20090207 05:48:08< Sapient> PK: you should try 7-zip
20090207 05:48:16< Sirp_> we don't mind having windows specific features in Wesnoth if they are appropriate. :)
20090207 05:48:19< ikarius> so that different platforms cannot play multiplayer with people running wesnoth on windows, and bringing wesnoth to ruin
20090207 05:48:24< Turuk> Sapient beat me to it, 7-zip is a useful program
20090207 05:48:32< ikarius> damn, I've been found out ;)
20090207 05:48:55< PK> thats what they said about win-rar.
20090207 05:49:05< Sapient> or maybe he works for Sun
20090207 05:49:18< PK> you can send 4333 kb in a PM, right?
20090207 05:49:43 * Sirp_ thinks that embedding IE in Wesnoth for Windows would be nice -- then we could show ads, and make some money off the Windows users to power our servers and so forth. :)
20090207 05:49:43< Turuk> I've gotten bigger
20090207 05:49:52< PK> okiedoke
20090207 05:50:20< ikarius> now there's an idea, sirp :)
20090207 05:51:10< Sapient> hey, you were using Windows too until recently Sirp :P has el goog turned you into a hater now?
20090207 05:51:37< ikarius> sirp works at google?
20090207 05:51:59< Sirp_> Sapient: actually I haven't used Windows at all since I started at Google
20090207 05:52:02< Sirp_> almost two years now.
20090207 05:52:15 * PK whistles while he uploads
20090207 05:52:16< Sapient> since the Coke incident right? :p
20090207 05:52:29< Sirp_> and even before then I didn't use it very much; last major usage was to play civ4
20090207 05:52:38< ikarius> sirp: crap, you're right in my area.  I live in redwood city and work in sunnyvale
20090207 05:52:41< PK> civ2 gold was better.
20090207 05:52:46< Sirp_> Sapient: that was hot tea, not coke. And, that machine had Windows on it but was primarily used for Linux.
20090207 05:52:48< PK> infact, civ2 was best, overall.
20090207 05:53:00< PK> civ3 and civ4 over fancified the graphics and took away from gameplay 3<
20090207 05:53:04< Sirp_> I much prefer civ4 to civ2
20090207 05:53:22< PK> hrm
20090207 05:53:23< Sapient> ah, well I nearly sprayed coke on my laptop once when someone told a good joke in here
20090207 05:53:26< Sirp_> civ2 graphics I thought were crap compared to civ1, and civ4 allows the civ1 perspective again, so it's pure win
20090207 05:53:28< PK> well, I can't PM anything bigger than 2 mB
20090207 05:53:51< PK> I like Civ2 best, because the simple graphics made it easy to play.
20090207 05:54:03< PK> I could understand everything that was going on at once.
20090207 05:54:09< Sirp_> I hated the isometric graphics. :)
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20090207 05:54:49< Sirp_> ikarius: you don't work for Yahoo! do you? :)
20090207 05:54:55< PK> I hate the failed 3d try they did with 3 and 4.
20090207 05:55:01< ikarius> nah, I'm at a storage startup
20090207 05:55:20< PK> anyway, I'm removing the image folder to shrink it down by more than 50%
20090207 05:55:38< PK> infact, its only 500kb now
20090207 05:55:41< Sirp_> PK: Civ3 doesn't use 3D graphics. The 3D graphics in civ4 allow either the isometric perspective or the old-style civ1 perspective, and look and function very nicely imo
20090207 05:55:45< ikarius> most of what they have me doing is cruel, unusual, and unnatural things involving oracle & vmware
20090207 05:55:53< Turuk> ok
20090207 05:55:54< PK> yeah well? your face! 3<
20090207 05:56:45< PK> Turuk: sent
20090207 05:57:09< Sirp_> ahh well I program in all-C++ at my job, so I'm sure you think that is cruel and unusual too. :)
20090207 05:57:25< ikarius> nah
20090207 05:57:34< PK> I need to get some serious techno going on
20090207 05:58:50< PK> My job involves learning, therefore I trump you in the department of cruelty.
20090207 05:59:08< PK> they be screwing around with my noggin.
20090207 06:03:16< Sapient> Sirp: speaking of C++ ...
20090207 06:03:33< Sapient> does it violate ODR to have this line in game_events.hpp?
20090207 06:03:35< Sapient> 			bool handle_event(const queued_event& event_info,
20090207 06:03:35< Sapient> 					const vconfig cfg = vconfig());
20090207 06:03:49< ikarius> sirp: if you're up for it, I'd like to buy you a beer sometime
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20090207 06:05:39< Sirp_> ikarius: well I don't drink beer, but we could meet for dinner sometime or something. :)
20090207 06:06:07< ikarius> you don't drink beer?  /sigh
20090207 06:06:17 * ikarius  's estimation of Sirp lowers.
20090207 06:06:24< ikarius> ;)
20090207 06:06:31< Sirp_> nah, and worse, I'm more of a girly-type-cocktail drinker
20090207 06:06:39 * Sapient 's estimation of ikarius was already questionable.
20090207 06:06:41< Sapient> ;)
20090207 06:06:56< ikarius> that's ok, because I deserve it ;)
20090207 06:08:19 * PK prefers soda, juice, or a virgin pina colada
20090207 06:08:39 * Turuk_ stopped drinking as well a couple years back.
20090207 06:09:06< PK> no reason to start in the first place, its just a fad, that has lasted thousands of years.
20090207 06:09:27< ikarius> well sirp, if you were a girl, you could drink girly-cocktails without shame
20090207 06:09:30< Turuk_> PK, you said you tried it with the values as {UNREACHABLE} ? Because they currently read 100
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20090207 06:09:44< PK> in two of them
20090207 06:09:49< ikarius> well, at least no shame aside from not being male ;)
20090207 06:09:52< PK> the last two "Tribe" and "Slavers"
20090207 06:09:56< Turuk_> k
20090207 06:09:59< PK> because I only test one or two to prevent extra work
20090207 06:10:42< PK> if I did every single one of them to find I was doing something wrong from the beginning, its rather obnoxious.
20090207 06:10:56< Sapient> now we know why icarus flew too close to the sun
20090207 06:11:08< Sapient> apparently he was trying to tick the sun off
20090207 06:11:12< Turuk_> But everything else works fine except for movetypes
20090207 06:11:13< Turuk_> Ok
20090207 06:11:14< ikarius> hah
20090207 06:11:24< PK> yeah I know
20090207 06:11:29< PK> thats why I'm wondering why.
20090207 06:11:52< PK> I can't test the crazy abilities again if I don't get movetypes working.
20090207 06:12:20< PK> and if I don't test the crazy abilities, I can't overwork sapient. 3= wheres the fun in that?
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20090207 06:12:44 * Sapient evil plans coming to fruition
20090207 06:12:53< PK> then again, maybe thats why cyc left.
20090207 06:12:56< PK> hrrrm
20090207 06:13:47< PK> I'm sincerely hoping its not another random bug that just feels like popping in and ruining my day.
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20090207 06:14:04< PK> and that I just did something stupid, like spell "movetype" wrong somewhere.
20090207 06:15:13< PK> then again, fixing things is never that simple.
20090207 06:15:17< Turuk> I cannot test it, it says unknown unit
20090207 06:15:20< Turuk> did you send me everything?
20090207 06:15:35< PK> other than the images.
20090207 06:15:39< Sirp_> ikarius: if you were allowed to step away from the evil Oracle and VMware stuff you do you could even come to Google for lunch sometime.
20090207 06:16:17< Turuk> Send them too? It's not playing nice with me
20090207 06:16:34< PK> I can't send them though
20090207 06:16:45< PK> the images by themselves are about 4 MB
20090207 06:17:01< PK> can only send 2 over pm
20090207 06:17:56< PK> what was the unknown unit?
20090207 06:18:07< PK> oh oh, which faction where you XD
20090207 06:18:14< ikarius> sirp: that's definitely possible
20090207 06:18:18< PK> the Enchanters aren't done yet, so make sure you're not random.
20090207 06:18:26< PK> Enchanters are the only faction that isn't recoded.
20090207 06:18:36< PK> therefore if random happened to pick one of the enchanters you'd get kicked out
20090207 06:18:58< ikarius> sirp: you're just a short hop up central xpway from where I work
20090207 06:19:14< PK> refitting more than 500 units is draining, boring, and repetitive work that I dislike working on when I'm upset by errors.
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20090207 06:19:29< PK> so the last 50 are being postponed.
20090207 06:19:39< Turuk> It said something about the Avlord
20090207 06:19:43< PK> avian
20090207 06:19:46< PK> hrm
20090207 06:20:03< Turuk> which is interesting, as it was not a unit cfg I could find
20090207 06:20:35< PK> Skylord
20090207 06:20:42< PK> the ID's are shortened usually.
20090207 06:20:56< PK> I checked it, and the unit happens to be refitted.
20090207 06:21:01< PK> which is unusual 3<
20090207 06:21:20< PK> ah
20090207 06:21:22< PK> I see the problem
20090207 06:21:24< PK> missing a [
20090207 06:21:30< Turuk> where at
20090207 06:21:32< PK> oh no
20090207 06:21:35< PK> nevermind
20090207 06:21:42< PK> I scrolled to the side alittle.
20090207 06:21:53< Turuk> .....
20090207 06:22:00< Turuk> I'm getting this error no matter what I pick
20090207 06:23:07< PK> is it in 1.5.8 or 1.5.9?
20090207 06:24:43< PK> works for me >>
20090207 06:24:49< PK> where did you put the stuff to play it?
20090207 06:25:22< Turuk> Got it
20090207 06:25:30< PK> what was the problem >>
20090207 06:26:07< PK> what the heck
20090207 06:26:25< PK> the movetypes work now
20090207 06:26:31< PK> now I'm confused, like alot.
20090207 06:26:35< Sapient> Sirp, does it violate ODR to call a class constructor when defining a default function parameter in a common header file?
20090207 06:26:39< Turuk> .... did you change something? and for what faction?
20090207 06:27:01< PK> hrrm
20090207 06:27:09< PK> I don't remember changing anything
20090207 06:27:20< PK> infact, last I remember I gave up and stopped working period for about a week
20090207 06:27:46< PK> cause every single unit had nothing working, and now they all work with their specified stats.
20090207 06:27:53< Turuk> .....
20090207 06:28:00< Turuk> Exactly from the folder you just sent me
20090207 06:28:04< Turuk> everything works?
20090207 06:28:07< Turuk> every faction?
20090207 06:28:09< PK> yeeep
20090207 06:28:15< PK> well
20090207 06:28:15< PK> no
20090207 06:28:24< PK> the Enchanters still aren't refitted, and cause kicks
20090207 06:28:44< PK> but the four factions I have in play now, all have proper movetypes when they didn't
20090207 06:29:10< PK> although
20090207 06:29:12< PK> hmm
20090207 06:29:14< PK> yeah
20090207 06:29:22< Turuk> Are you playing the highlanders?
20090207 06:29:25< PK> units I'd tested before when it wasn't working work now too.
20090207 06:29:26< PK> yes.
20090207 06:29:39< PK> highlanders have what their movetypes should, currently
20090207 06:29:44< Turuk> Then I don't know what you did, because their movetype is flawed for me
20090207 06:30:24< PK> you mean not being able to move on impassable, frozen, and flat?
20090207 06:30:31< PK> or not at all
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20090207 06:30:48< Turuk> cannot move on impassable, frozen or flat
20090207 06:31:10< PK> yeah
20090207 06:31:10< Turuk> Or I suppose you want flat out?
20090207 06:31:19< PK> thats cause only 2 factions can move on those right now, the testing ones
20090207 06:31:27< PK> that originally had -- and 100% on everything
20090207 06:31:31< PK> so I went to the forum and sapient
20090207 06:31:36< PK> and now, it randomly works.
20090207 06:32:01< PK> seriously, other than removing the images and putting them back, and zipping the stuff, I did nothing to it.
20090207 06:33:24< Turuk> Ok
20090207 06:34:13< PK> friggin ghost code.
20090207 06:34:33< PK> I'm extra upset now, cause I wasted a week not doing anything because I thought it didn't work 3<
20090207 06:35:01< PK> could probly be done and testing abilities.
20090207 06:35:49< PK> guess I'd best go overdrive and get carpel tunnel 8D
20090207 06:36:04< PK> later guys, got work to do, I'll come back when the code mysteriously feels like hating me; again.
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20090207 09:07:11< Sapient> the set_menu_item code has been broken somehow, but it's an elusive bug
20090207 09:09:37< Sapient> I've managed to reproduce the problem and now just trying to isolate it is proving the hard part
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20090207 09:15:43< Sapient> http://rafb.net/p/0WUDGH15.html
20090207 09:15:58< Sapient> the data mysteriously changed from "test2" back to "test"
20090207 09:16:58< Sapient> that just boggles my mind
20090207 09:17:03< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20090207 12:01:36< grzywacz> moin ;]
20090207 12:08:35< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, did you actually look at how the rune lord's missile works in-game now?
20090207 12:08:49< zookeeper> the unit gets hit first, then 200ms afterwards the missile is sent flying..
20090207 12:09:13< thespaceinvader> does the unit get hit at time 0 then?
20090207 12:10:28< thespaceinvader> i guess that means that the animation should end at 100ms, right, and anythihng that happens before should be before 0?
20090207 12:12:32< zookeeper> yes
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20090207 12:13:16< zookeeper> well, you can end it whenever you want. but time 0 is when the hit occurs.
20090207 12:13:20< zookeeper> anyways, afk ->
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20090207 12:53:39< Shadow_Master> hi
20090207 12:56:04< thespaceinvader> hi Shadow_Master 
20090207 12:56:09< CIA-70> thespaceinvader * r32634 /trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Add LordBob's Halberdier portrait, update changelogs, portrait credits.
20090207 13:06:27< grzywacz> thespaceinvader, :)
20090207 13:06:55< thespaceinvader> grzywacz: hi
20090207 13:09:05< Shadow_Master> ho
20090207 13:09:24< grzywacz> hey Shadow_Master
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20090207 13:22:36 * Shadow_Master tries to summon Sapient for https://gna.org/bugs/?12911
20090207 13:22:41< Shadow_Master> I'd call it "wonderbug".
20090207 13:24:34< Shadow_Master> (anyone who wants to deal with a seemingly impossible memory corruption bug is also welcome)
20090207 13:25:03< grzywacz> fun ;p
20090207 13:25:25< grzywacz> Why is there a destructor on the stack?
20090207 13:26:04< Shadow_Master> I cannot get AI's backtrace
20090207 13:26:24< grzywacz> What's yours?
20090207 13:26:34< Shadow_Master> grzywacz: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m6811c8c7
20090207 13:27:09< Shadow_Master> there's also some interesting stuff regarding the number of AMLAs Wesnoth may offer me wiht that save. Sometimes it offers me 3, other times it offers me 2
20090207 13:27:38< grzywacz> ow
20090207 13:27:49< Shadow_Master> Valgrind memcheck: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m490bf5b1
20090207 13:29:03< grzywacz> Painfully long :)
20090207 13:29:09< Shadow_Master> if I :cl to the same scenario with that save and kill something with Kaleh as soon as possible, I don't get a crash either.
20090207 13:29:39< Shadow_Master> so it sounds like something not in the backtrace is causing the corruption.
20090207 13:29:48< Shadow_Master> perhaps a WML event.
20090207 13:30:08< grzywacz> Well, that std::vector in your backtrace looks broken.
20090207 13:30:17< Shadow_Master> > commit 8255fc826e58c0a59711029e01db9fcdc06ba211
20090207 13:30:27< Shadow_Master> wrong channel.
20090207 13:42:05< Shadow_Master> grzywacz: that's apparently a dereference of a NULL pointer to a std::vector<Blah>
20090207 13:42:30< Shadow_Master> std::vector<Blah>* foo = NULL;
20090207 13:42:53< Shadow_Master> (foo[n])[m]
20090207 13:43:35< Shadow_Master> or something. There is a reason for my love of C++ and hatred to pointers.
20090207 13:44:31< Shadow_Master> const child_map& config::all_children() const; //  :-/
20090207 13:45:33< Shadow_Master> a const_cast<>() can defeat it and introduce NULL pointers in the config fields to cause trouble later, just an idea.
20090207 13:46:56 * Shadow_Master is crying now.
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20090207 14:00:53< CIA-70> baufo * r32635 /trunk/src/ (font.cpp font.hpp widgets/menu.cpp): making bold text in menus render correctly
20090207 14:09:06< Shadow_Master> Sapient: if you are going to help: memcheck: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m490bf5b1
20090207 14:09:14< Shadow_Master> fault backtrace: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m6811c8c7
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20090207 14:32:09< CIA-70> baufo * r32636 /trunk/src/multiplayer_ui.cpp: removing redundant ifs
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20090207 14:39:05< CIA-70> thespaceinvader * r32637 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/units/Dwarvish_Rune_Lord.cfg: Minor update to Karrag's animation in tHoT
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20090207 14:55:04< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, yes it is 
20090207 14:55:20< Shadow_Master> was is it?
20090207 14:55:23< Shadow_Master> *what
20090207 14:55:41< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, dereference of a null pointer to std::vector, most likely
20090207 14:55:47< Shadow_Master> yep.
20090207 14:56:32< grzywacz> or... to the object that owns that vector
20090207 14:56:33< grzywacz> perhaps
20090207 14:57:48< Shadow_Master> I'm already dreaming of a C++ implementation that introduces a sanity check for (this != NULL) when calling member methods of a class/struct
20090207 14:57:58< Shadow_Master> but that may be because I didn't sleep.
20090207 14:58:50< grzywacz> You mean to rewrite wesnoth in ada? ;)
20090207 14:59:31< Shadow_Master> no, in lolcode!
20090207 15:00:37 * loonycyborg thinks that ada is not enough. In order to be fully provable you'll need a declarative/functional language :)
20090207 15:01:31 * Shadow_Master falls asleep over the keyboard
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20090207 15:24:41< Noyga_FOSDEM> at last we have network now :)
20090207 15:24:54< Shadow_Master> hi!
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20090207 15:26:05< thespaceinvader> how's fosdem? =D
20090207 15:27:34< Shadow_Master> http://www.fosdem.org/2009/schedule/devrooms <- OSI ??
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20090207 15:29:02< cib0> =D
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20090207 15:32:21< grzywacz> :-)
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20090207 15:32:37< boucman_FOSDEM> hey all
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20090207 15:32:55< YogiHH> Soliton, you there?
20090207 15:33:06< cib_FOSDEM> exxxxcellent naming convention
20090207 15:33:06< Shadow_Master> are there any known bugs about the custom cold carryover maechanism?
20090207 15:33:10< boucman_FOSDEM> :)
20090207 15:33:12< Shadow_Master> fix my sentence.
20090207 15:35:11< cib_FOSDEM> ping
20090207 15:35:21< Noyga> pong :)
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20090207 15:35:38< Soliton> YogiHH: yes.
20090207 15:35:42 * Shadow_Master tries again to summon zookeeper
20090207 15:36:19< YogiHH> Soliton: i can't find the scenario of the replay you sent me lately, do you remember which one that was?
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20090207 15:36:47< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> hi everybody
20090207 15:36:51< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> finally network...
20090207 15:36:53< grzywacz> Ivanovic_FOSDEM, did you find DK yesterday? ;-)
20090207 15:36:58< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> grzywacz: sure
20090207 15:36:59< YogiHH> Soliton: the one in the cave with the borked sighted even
20090207 15:37:12< Soliton> YogiHH: ah, that's from the south guard.
20090207 15:37:37< YogiHH> ah, ok, thanks
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20090207 15:37:46< Soliton> YogiHH: into the depth probably.
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20090207 15:38:19< YogiHH> mhm
20090207 15:38:27 * cib_FOSDEM is not very concentrated.
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20090207 15:43:21< CIA-70> baufo * r32638 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (password_box.cpp password_box.hpp): hacking two more virtual functions of the makeshift password box - hopefully it behaves correctly now.
20090207 15:43:32< CIA-70> noyga * r32640 /trunk/src/unit.cpp: Fix some silly hp color order (was really hard to see btw)
20090207 15:43:37< CIA-70> ai0867 * r32639 /trunk/data/core/images/transparent/ (. wesnoth-icon.png): Add 'transparent' wesnoth icon. (difference is doubled resolution)
20090207 15:43:46< CIA-70> ivanovic * r32641 /trunk/ (10 files in 9 dirs): updated Hungarian translation
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20090207 15:44:52< ShikadiLord> WLAN adapter died until next cold reboot
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20090207 15:46:01< Shadow_Master> not so well there, huh? 
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20090207 15:47:14< Shadow_Master> Feb  1 21:28:10 bluecore kernel: ath5k phy0: gain calibration timeout (2437MHz)
20090207 15:47:53< Shadow_Master> interesting.
20090207 15:48:28< CIA-70> ivanovic * r32642 /trunk/src/ (callable_objects.cpp callable_objects.hpp unit.cpp unit.hpp): 
20090207 15:48:28< CIA-70> patch from dragonking:
20090207 15:48:28< CIA-70> add a generic way to export a map as a variant object for formula AI
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20090207 15:49:48< Shadow_Master> apparently Linux 2.6.28.3 has a patch that solves this problem, nice.
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20090207 15:51:22< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> 20090207 00:06:08< thespaceinvader> if and when I have time, I'll split out the glowy bit and make it a halo, since it's breaking TC a bit in a couple of places...
20090207 15:51:30< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> 20090207 00:06:09< Shadow_Master> that secret draft you have hidden there for Ivanovic
20090207 15:51:35< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> yes, i do read the log
20090207 15:51:36< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> ;)
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20090207 15:55:18< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic_FOSDEM: do you also read the moderator's forum?
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20090207 15:56:23< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> Shadow_Master: busy atm testing wesball...
20090207 15:56:39< Shadow_Master> wesball?!
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20090207 15:57:29< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> jupp
20090207 15:57:42< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> bob seems to have worked on it after it was "long forgotten"
20090207 15:57:47< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> it is on the 1.4 addon server
20090207 15:58:01< Shadow_Master> it used to be called Wesbowl.
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20090207 15:59:18< Noyga_FOSDEM> does it still make sense to have both [set_variable] rand & random ? Looks like random was supposed to be dropped on 1.5.3, but it is still there...
20090207 15:59:42< Shadow_Master> I think Mordante was convinced by zookeeper to not remove 'random'
20090207 15:59:44< Shadow_Master> not sure.
20090207 16:02:48< Shadow_Master> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=337682#p337682 <- No, no, no!
20090207 16:03:12< Shadow_Master> please tell me that we're just imagining things? This'd mean HttT is broken too?
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20090207 16:04:33< Shadow_Master> fabi__, can you help me with the custom gold carryover stuff?
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20090207 16:04:40< Shadow_Master> er, oops, #wesnoth-umc-dev
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20090207 16:09:57< Shadow_Master> shit.
20090207 16:10:17< Shadow_Master> my "enemies defeated" event is not being used when I kill the only AI leader.
20090207 16:11:44< Shadow_Master> it *will be used*, however, if I create a unit on its place instead of killing him.
20090207 16:11:48< Shadow_Master> s/its/him/.
20090207 16:12:57 * Noyga_FOSDEM got a nice 11.38s ping :p
20090207 16:12:58< CIA-70> fendrin * r32643 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/ (01_The_Uprooting.cfg 02_Hostile_mountains.cfg): LoW 1+2: Code cleanup and balancing.
20090207 16:13:13 * Shadow_Master needs Sapient again. :/
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20090207 16:16:23< cib_FOSDEM> Shadow_Master: is that a bug?
20090207 16:16:33< ilor> hi guys
20090207 16:16:33< Shadow_Master> cib_FOSDEM: I think so?
20090207 16:16:47< Shadow_Master> cib_FOSDEM: why do you think it wouldn't be a bug ?
20090207 16:17:20< Shadow_Master> I kill the only enemy leader. Shouldn't that trigger 'enemies defeated' (applying common sense here) ?
20090207 16:17:50< cib_FOSDEM> well, youd think so :p
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20090207 16:20:29< Shadow_Master> asume "enemies defeated" is numberless.
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20090207 16:20:40< Shadow_Master_> hi?
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20090207 16:20:57< Shadow_Master> hi ilor btw
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20090207 16:22:43< Shadow_Master> cib_FOSDEM: do you happen to be volunteering for fixing it?
20090207 16:23:48< cib_FOSDEM> Shadow_Master, right now im busy with some MP campaign bug
20090207 16:25:23< CIA-70> ilor * r32644 /trunk/src/editor2/editor_controller.cpp: add a "mouseover for a hint" info to the truncated editor tool tooltips
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20090207 16:26:31< CIA-70> ilor * r32645 /trunk/data/scenario-test.cfg: make the replace_map events in the test scenario use first_time_only=no
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20090207 16:27:30< Shadow_Master> Sapient: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12952
20090207 16:28:20< Shadow_Master> I could probably fix it, but first I want to know if it's just a brain-dead misfeature, or there's a deeper reason for the 'enemies defeated' event not being triggered when the enemy is defeated.
20090207 16:28:47< CIA-70> ilor * r32646 /trunk/src/display.cpp: add a workaround for an apparent SDL 1.2.13 bug available after #defining SDL_BLIT_CRASH_WORKAROUND. Possibly fixes bug #12880
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20090207 16:31:33< CIA-70> ilor * r32647 /trunk/src/minimap.cpp: fix bug #12856 (was caused by the ovarlay being the same image-surface as the base terrain tile)
20090207 16:31:50< Shadow_Master> apparently we need a  check_victory() call in actions.cpp
20090207 16:32:04< CIA-70> ilor * r32648 /trunk/src/editor2/editor_map.cpp: silence a MSVC warning
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20090207 16:35:37< Shadow_Master> on a second thought, the code is so bloated that I'll leave it to you.
20090207 16:35:51 * Shadow_Master shudders at the thought of seeing the same mess in Python.
20090207 16:36:34 * Shadow_Master goes back to "sleep"
20090207 16:36:36< grzywacz> mess in Python? ;)
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20090207 16:38:13< elias> well, if you wanted to, you probably could make it messy in Python - it would be much harder though :)
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20090207 16:40:17< Shadow_Master> burn python. they use the filthy MSVC++ libraries.
20090207 16:40:23< Shadow_Master> (jk)
20090207 16:41:10< grzywacz> Meh, windows. ;)
20090207 16:43:23< Noyga_FOSDEM> ho it reminds me that's i'm too lazy to finish to install my CodeBlocks/Vista compile env (currently using the F10 one)
20090207 16:44:33< cib_FOSDEM> i find it quite easy to create a mess in python, simply by trying to make the language bend to your style
20090207 16:46:54< Shadow_Master> trying to bend oneself to the language's style is kind of antihuman
20090207 16:48:22< grzywacz> not really
20090207 16:49:04< Shadow_Master> personal opinion: if the language doesn't let you write in your style, then don't use it. :P
20090207 16:49:28< Shadow_Master> of course I'm not Pythonic and I won't try to force that into your throats :P
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20090207 16:52:40< Shadow_Master> " I already talked Mordante to have a look at it, and this way he won't forget (he asked me to have it in the tracker).
20090207 16:52:54< Shadow_Master> and I mentioned it in a log that he read - apparently he missed that line.
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20090207 16:55:02< Shadow_Master> (someday wesnoth-umc-dev should take over FOSDEM too) :P
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20090207 17:04:19< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> Shadow_Master: you were free to come over to fosdem
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20090207 17:15:37< thespaceinvader> anyone about who's handy with animation WML?
20090207 17:16:09< CIA-70> noyga * r32649 /branches/1.4/ (changelog src/game.cpp): Apply patch #1107 : Minimum stack cookie on AmigaOS4 to prevent stack overflow
20090207 17:21:04< CIA-70> noyga * r32650 /trunk/ (changelog src/game.cpp): merge r32649: Apply patch #1107 : Minimum stack cookie on AmigaOS4 to prevent stack overflow
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20090207 17:23:59< CIA-70> ilor * r32651 /trunk/src/display.cpp: make the sdl crash workaround unconditional
20090207 17:25:16< cib_FOSDEM> it's committing time?
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20090207 17:26:40< MJS> hi
20090207 17:26:58< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> cib_FOSDEM: looks like
20090207 17:27:28< cib_FOSDEM> my commit is still in the works =(
20090207 17:27:58< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> ESR_: uhm, en_GB is still incomplete
20090207 17:28:11< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> (just unfuzzy and thats it, or correct the strings, if needed)
20090207 17:28:34< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> VladimirSlavik: is there an update pending on your side?
20090207 17:28:35< cib_FOSDEM> for this one, i spent about 15 hours reading code, 20 hours debugging and 15 minutes actually writing :p
20090207 17:28:44< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> since some strings were added and got fuzzy lately
20090207 17:28:53< VladimirSlavik> Ivanovic_FOSDEM: no now I am busy with other things
20090207 17:29:12< VladimirSlavik> maybe during the next week
20090207 17:29:58< grzywacz> cib_FOSDEM, what are you working on?
20090207 17:30:10< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> VladimirSlavik: okay
20090207 17:30:22< VladimirSlavik> less work for you ;)
20090207 17:30:54< cib_FOSDEM> grzywacz, fixing start-of-scenario saves in MP campaign
20090207 17:34:44< cib_FOSDEM> ping
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20090207 17:36:28< grzywacz> cib_FOSDEM, ok :)
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20090207 17:38:04< CIA-70> thespaceinvader * r32652 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/ (34 files in 3 dirs): Put halos into Karrag's animations in tHoT
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20090207 17:54:46< CIA-70> grzywacz * r32653 /trunk/src/game_events.cpp: Made the swap more explicit.
20090207 17:58:30< Baufo_> currently the main page says 'Download Wesnoth 1.5.9 (development)'
20090207 17:58:37< Baufo_> couldn't we make that 'Download Wesnoth 1.5.9 (beta)'
20090207 17:58:38< Baufo_> ?
20090207 17:58:54< Baufo_> maybe this would make a few more people actually play it
20090207 18:01:00< Noyga_FOSDEM> 'alpha' perhaps ?
20090207 18:05:17< Baufo_> the release announcement called it '1.5.9 aka 1.6-beta1'
20090207 18:05:59< Baufo_> but alpha is probably more fitting
20090207 18:06:59< CIA-70> noyga * r32654 /branches/1.4/ (changelog src/preferences_display.cpp): Apply patch #1108: Additional screenmodes for when SDL can't guess them
20090207 18:11:19< grzywacz> The excessive use of the new forest in LoW (say, 1st map) makes it look weird...
20090207 18:11:38< grzywacz> It's too easy to notice the patterns.
20090207 18:13:01< grzywacz> Argh, scenario 3 beats everything...
20090207 18:13:26< Baufo_> well, so who is responsible for updating the main page? Ivanovic_FOSDEM?
20090207 18:13:37< loonycyborg> Yes :)
20090207 18:14:07< grzywacz> fabi__
20090207 18:15:01< CIA-70> noyga * r32655 /trunk/ (changelog src/preferences_display.cpp): merge r32654: Additional screenmodes when SDL can't guess them
20090207 18:15:42< grzywacz> http://kolos.math.uni.lodz.pl/~grzywacz/forest.jpg
20090207 18:17:47< fabi__> grzywacz: Yes, the new terrain isn't quite as good as the old.
20090207 18:17:57< Baufo_> loonycyborg, thanks :)
20090207 18:18:35< Baufo_> Ivanovic_FOSDEM, what do you think about labeling 1.5.9 as 'alpha' or 'beta' instead of 'development' on the main page?
20090207 18:18:39< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> Baufo_: alpha is not this much fitting, we reverted your changes from right before you left on holidays
20090207 18:18:42< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> and no, it is beta
20090207 18:18:57< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> and no, it is still the "development series", so i won't name it beta at the top
20090207 18:19:19< grzywacz> fabi__, I've been experimenting with these trees yesterday and they look good if you use them as a kind of border around the old forest tiles
20090207 18:19:42< grzywacz> fabi__, or small patches surrounded by the old ones
20090207 18:19:44< Baufo_> Ivanovic_FOSDEM, ok, thanks
20090207 18:20:09< fabi__> grzywacz: Yes that's right, have a look at low 14 for an attempt to make it look good.
20090207 18:21:29< fabi__> grzywacz: but the kalian map should work right at some time in the future, the forest tiles will improve. And large areas of only a forest sort must look good.
20090207 18:22:09< grzywacz> fabi__, http://kolos.math.uni.lodz.pl/~grzywacz/f2.jpg
20090207 18:22:24< CIA-70> noyga * r32656 /trunk/src/preferences_display.cpp: fix r32655, whoops :)
20090207 18:22:39< fabi__> grzywacz: nice arangement
20090207 18:24:43< CIA-70> noyga * r32657 /branches/1.4/src/preferences_display.cpp: Add some more modes (matching the trunk ones)
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20090207 18:31:21< Ivanovic_FOSDEM> off for today
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20090207 18:33:32 * Noyga_FOSDEM like Ivanovic, c ya
20090207 18:33:52 * ilor_FOSDEM is off too (what a coincidence)
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20090207 18:35:01< grzywacz> The problem with FOSDEM is that it ends quickly. ;-)
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20090207 19:05:03< CIA-70> baufo * r32658 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (password_box.cpp password_box.hpp): typo fix
20090207 19:20:37< CIA-70> fendrin * r32659 /trunk/data/campaigns/Legend_of_Wesmere/scenarios/22_Northern_Battle.cfg: LoW 22: Fixed Landar not retreating in every case.
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20090207 20:02:30< grzywacz> hey Sirp_ 
20090207 20:07:17< Sirp_> hi grzywacz 
20090207 20:07:21< Sirp_> are you at FOSDEM now? :)
20090207 20:09:07< grzywacz> Sirp_, no, unfortunately not this year.
20090207 20:12:47< Sirp_> ahhh
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20090207 23:15:44< Shadow_Master> yo Sapient 
20090207 23:15:50< Sapient> hi Shikadi
20090207 23:16:17< Sapient> I got some bugs of my own I'm looking at
20090207 23:16:32< Sapient> set_menu_item major issues
20090207 23:16:54< Shadow_Master> argh.
20090207 23:17:11< Shadow_Master> heard that you're getting a menu item id mangled?
20090207 23:17:23< Sapient> not exactly
20090207 23:17:56< Sapient> when setting changes to an existing item it won't take effect until the next scenario or save/load
20090207 23:18:32< Sapient> I'm having a real hard time tracking it down, but getting closer
20090207 23:21:29< Shadow_Master> Sapient: can you at least tell whether https://gna.org/bugs/?12952 is a valid bug without looking at the C++ ? :p
20090207 23:21:52 * Sapient checks
20090207 23:22:49< Sapient> it sounds like a valid bug to me I guess
20090207 23:23:00< Sapient> just needs the steps to reproduce it hopefully
20090207 23:23:48< Shadow_Master> pretty obvious from the description to me :/ create a simple scenario with default settings, one enemy leader, and a 'enemies defeated' event with notable actions
20090207 23:23:57< Shadow_Master> so I guess I can autoassign it to me.
20090207 23:25:07< Shadow_Master> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12951 f*** ?!
20090207 23:25:33< Shadow_Master> that backtrace looks so horribly similar to the one I get for the other bug I'm tracking down...
20090207 23:27:16< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, yup...
20090207 23:31:04< Shadow_Master> nothing unusual in the code besides some misplaced [store_locations]. It would seem that something is playing naughty games with the config clas.
20090207 23:33:30< Shadow_Master> ESR_: around?
20090207 23:34:08< ESR_> Yes, what's up?
20090207 23:34:15< Shadow_Master> ESR_: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12928 are you doing any real work on this?
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20090207 23:35:06< ESR_> Yes, I have test game of THoT going that's nearly there.  But if you want to fix it, be my guest.
20090207 23:35:26< Shadow_Master> I can fix it probably faster yes...
20090207 23:36:47< Shadow_Master> done.
20090207 23:37:09< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r32660 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/13_Epilogue.cfg: Fix bug #12928.
20090207 23:38:43< ESR_> OK, I'll finish the test game to verify.
20090207 23:38:55< Shadow_Master> I just used :cl to test.
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20090207 23:43:09< Shadow_Master> Sirp_: around?
20090207 23:47:41< Shadow_Master> or Sirp perhaps
20090207 23:52:46< Shadow_Master> wesbot: topic
20090207 23:53:39< Sirp_> Shadow_Master: what's up?
20090207 23:54:22< Shadow_Master> Sirp_: just wanted to remind you of https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12812 in case you forgot about it :p
20090207 23:55:28< Shadow_Master> ( https://gna.org/my/items.php  is a nice way of not forgetting one's stuff )
20090207 23:56:22< Sirp_> ahhh....okay; I will try to get to it. :)
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