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20090213 00:00:29< Shadow_Master> that means I just assigned it to me.
20090213 00:00:52< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: please, describe them in that bug report!
20090213 00:01:07< Shadow_Master> if you don't report bugs how are we supposed to fix them?
20090213 00:01:24< Shadow_Master> wesbot: bug 12962
20090213 00:01:24< wesbot> Bug #12962  Assigned to: Ignacio R. Morelle <shadowmaster>  Status: Confirmed  Priority: 2
20090213 00:01:27< wesbot> Summary: Assertion `false' failed in display::enable_menu(const std::string&,bool)
20090213 00:01:30< wesbot> Original submission: Wesnoth exits with 
20090213 00:01:33< wesbot> ::enable_menu(const std::string&, bool):Assertion `false' failed
20090213 00:01:36< wesbot> URL: https://gna.org/bugs/?12962
20090213 00:01:57< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: I've always reported them to mordante on irc :)
20090213 00:02:10< Shadow_Master> Rhonda: btw, wesbot is somehow mangling the output of the 'bug' and 'log' commands
20090213 00:02:30< Shadow_Master> Rhonda: not that it isn't obvious, looking at the logs, that it tries to feed more than one line to the chat without splitting them.
20090213 00:03:38< loonycyborg> And particular instance where I was getting that assert is already fixed AFAIK.
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20090213 00:06:34< Shadow_Master_> 20090212 15:44:37 error config: Error: invalid string: ▒
20090213 00:06:34< Shadow_Master_> this is why I used to not play add-ons for a time. They pollute my directory with such garbage.
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20090213 00:39:53< loonycyborg> Sapient: What if I'll make scons always create wesnoth directly in working copy root?
20090213 00:40:20< loonycyborg> I'm not even sure myself why I've bothered with setting up this hardlinking stuff..
20090213 00:40:24< Sapient> works for me
20090213 00:40:58< Sapient> having two copies of a big executable file does seem like a waste
20090213 00:42:45< loonycyborg> On Unix systems this isn't much of a waste :)
20090213 00:43:24< Shadow_Master> Sapient: they are hard-linked in Unix filesystems
20090213 00:43:45< Sapient> I do know that
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20090213 00:47:10< Shadow_Master> that is, only one of the "copies" actually takes disk space
20090213 00:47:10< Shadow_Master> but I bet somebody already explained that to you during this 200 seconds lag.
20090213 00:47:10< Shadow_Master> :-(
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20090213 00:47:22< Shadow_Master_> ew.
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20090213 00:48:07< Shadow_Master> my build/ dir with the release, debug, profile and glibxx_debug recipe variants is worth 3 GB, for the record (including all object files) :P
20090213 00:48:42< Sapient> I do know some things about *nix, you know
20090213 00:48:56< Shadow_Master> IME it's safer to assume that the user doesn't know anything.
20090213 00:49:23< Shadow_Master> it's nothing specific to you, you see 
20090213 00:49:30< Sapient> ln is a great feature and windows shortcuts do suck in comparison
20090213 00:49:49< Shadow_Master> I tend to prefer symlinks to hard links though.
20090213 00:50:29< Shadow_Master> I rarely have a compelling need to ensure that if I don't delete the original file the link won't become invalid / file will get permanently lost
20090213 00:51:14< loonycyborg> Hardlinks are in fact several names given to the same file which can be rather confusing.
20090213 00:51:23< loonycyborg> While symlinks are more explicit.
20090213 00:51:38< loonycyborg> And work across partitions too..
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20090213 00:51:50< Shadow_Master> yeah, that's the best part of symlinks
20090213 00:53:15< Shadow_Master> the MSVC++ runtime library header files suggest that NTFS somehow support links :-/
20090213 00:53:46< Shadow_Master> and I have read that hard links are possible in NTFS, in the ntfsprogs documentation. Yet I have not seen a tool that actually creates them natively in Windows.
20090213 00:54:36< loonycyborg> Are there win32 api functions for that? :)
20090213 00:54:50< Shadow_Master> well, the MSVC++ runtime must count for it
20090213 00:56:03< Shadow_Master> it defines _S_IFCHR and _S_ISFIFO too :o
20090213 00:56:34< Shadow_Master> that's probably left-over of some random idea they had when writing NT 3.1, I guess.
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20090213 01:24:56< CIA-70> loonycyborg * r32792 /trunk/ (SConstruct src/SConscript): 
20090213 01:24:56< CIA-70> Made scons create binaries right in working copy root
20090213 01:24:56< CIA-70> instead of creating them in variant dir and then hardlinking them there.
20090213 01:25:17< loonycyborg> Sapient: ^
20090213 01:26:48< Sapient> thanks, loonycyborg
20090213 01:30:31< loonycyborg> Sapient: np
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20090213 03:33:24< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r32793 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): 
20090213 03:33:24< CIA-70> Document UtBS and engine bug fixes related to bug #12911 in the
20090213 03:33:24< CIA-70> changelogs.
20090213 03:43:12< Shadow_Master> Sapient: do you think you can give us an opinion on https://gna.org/bugs/?12983 ?
20090213 03:43:38< Shadow_Master> fabi: btw, too bad that I had to write the bug report at the end :-|
20090213 03:44:17< Sapient> I dunno, that sounds really odd
20090213 03:44:19< Shadow_Master> odds are it'll bounce back to me eventually.
20090213 03:44:34< Sapient> I'd have to add a bunch of logging to figure it out probably
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20090213 03:47:34< Shadow_Master> I somehow suspect this is result of the lazy-unit-type-loading stuff.
20090213 03:51:31< Shadow_Master> Turuk: aha, you renamed the ADHD thread as I suggested :p
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20090213 03:54:05 * Shadow_Master takes a torch
20090213 03:55:49< Turuk> I had to, they started going crazy
20090213 03:56:01< Turuk> Note the last post of Corvvs'
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20090213 04:01:40< Shadow_Master> yeah, that's kind of ... huh 
20090213 04:06:29< Turuk> He was determined to play Godwin's law :P
20090213 04:08:49< CIA-70> jetryl * r32794 /trunk/data/core/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Added idle animation to the naga fighter.
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20090213 04:12:22< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r32795 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Mention new graphics from r32794 in the changelogs.
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20090213 09:06:12< loonycyborg> "svn: Can't find a temporary directory: Internal error" <- is anyone else getting that?
20090213 09:17:29< Soliton> yep.
20090213 09:23:03< AI0867> same here
20090213 09:23:44< Soliton> someone donate a temporary directory to gna!
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20090213 09:36:02< Rhonda> Soliton: Good idea - will though only appear if it reconnects.
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20090213 11:07:12< Ivanovic_ontour> Turuk: after banning, delete the whole spam thread
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20090213 11:54:26< Ivanovic_ontour> Turuk: got my message regarding deletion of threads by spambots?
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20090213 12:18:19< Turuk> Ivanovic_ontour, I got your message, I will delete it in the future
20090213 12:18:38< stikonas> it seems that svn.gna.org does not work again :(
20090213 12:22:03< Turuk> Ivanovic, the problem stems from the fact that I, as a Sith, lack permissions there
20090213 12:22:36< Soliton> since your admin surely you can give yourself permission? :-)
20090213 12:23:56< Turuk> Indeed, I am working on that now ;)
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20090213 15:09:58< CIA-70> loonycyborg * r32796 /trunk/ (SConstruct src/SConscript): Build binaries in src/ with "base" build variant.
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20090213 16:40:35< CIA-70> boucman * r32797 /trunk/src/unit_frame.cpp: fix invalidation problem with gryphins bug 12958
20090213 16:44:53< cib0> wow, interesting.. move_unit_fake will cause an assertion error when there is no unit placed on its starting position
20090213 16:45:19< Soliton> did boucman not fix that?
20090213 16:45:28< cib0> he did?
20090213 16:45:44< cib0> in the last commit?
20090213 16:45:45< boucman> I "did"
20090213 16:45:55< boucman> I just realized that I closed the bug but didn't commit my fix
20090213 16:46:08< boucman> I'm currently recompiling to check everything is ok, will commit next
20090213 16:46:09< cib0> oh =)
20090213 16:46:10< Soliton> details.
20090213 16:46:48< cib0> so the bug i filed was duplicate..
20090213 16:46:57< boucman> probably,
20090213 16:47:02< boucman> just close it or assign to me
20090213 16:47:04< cib0> and i just wasted an hour tracking it down and trying to fix it :p
20090213 16:47:25< zookeeper> cool, then i can continue my playtesting sometime soon :x
20090213 16:47:28< cib0> well, atleast i know another part of Wesnoth better now
20090213 16:47:54< cib0> what's the original bug report?
20090213 16:48:08< CIA-70> boucman * r32798 /trunk/src/ (6 files): fix for crash when moving fake units (I thought I had already commited these)
20090213 16:48:11< boucman> don't remember...
20090213 16:48:27< boucman> just look for bugs fixed and assigned to me
20090213 16:49:02< cib0> ok, done
20090213 16:49:39< boucman> and commited on my side (cia is a bit slow)
20090213 16:52:25< cib0> someone is spamming the 1.4 server <.<
20090213 16:52:53< boucman> Soliton: you're admin, arn't you ?
20090213 16:53:13< Soliton> taken care of.
20090213 16:53:30< Soliton> boucman: yes.
20090213 16:53:36< boucman> thx
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20090213 17:18:59< Soliton> zookeeper: new build available, btw.
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20090213 17:23:49< zookeeper> yippee \o/ thanks
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20090213 17:55:36< Ivanovic> hi
20090213 17:56:00< Ivanovic> Turuk: uhm, you are in the admin group
20090213 17:56:13< Turuk> Yes?
20090213 17:56:15< Ivanovic> those privs should override the "normal" privs
20090213 17:56:26< Turuk> It did not though, it would not let me touch the moderator's forum
20090213 17:56:51< Ivanovic> interesting...
20090213 17:57:56< Turuk> So that was why I threw myself into the global moderators, just so I could ban the threads, you can move me out if you like.
20090213 17:59:08< Turuk> Though it might revert to me being unable to remove the spam threads
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20090213 18:04:45< Sirp_> hi cjhopman_ 
20090213 18:04:50< Ivanovic> just do as you think, Turuk
20090213 18:05:00 * Ivanovic is "on holiday mode"
20090213 18:05:16< Ivanovic> that is: just came back from the last seminar day and will not drive to university next week...
20090213 18:07:00< Ivanovic> cjhopman: yes, we will try to go for SoC this year
20090213 18:07:01< Ivanovic> :)
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20090213 18:07:23< Turuk> Ok, thanks Ivanovic.  Don't worry, I won't suddenly go crazy on you. ;)
20090213 18:07:47< Ivanovic> Turuk: if things go to bad i still got ssh access to the box to fix things "the hardcore way"
20090213 18:07:48< Ivanovic> ;)
20090213 18:08:04< Turuk> Haha
20090213 18:08:07< Turuk> Duly noted :)
20090213 18:09:31< Turuk> And with that, I am off for a long car ride.
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20090213 18:11:17< boucman> Am i the only one that noticed this ?
20090213 18:11:19< boucman> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/2008-linuxquestions.org-members-choice-award-winners-704226/
20090213 18:13:09< elias> there wasn't much competition :P http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2008-linuxquestions.org-members-choice-awards-83/open-source-game-of-the-year-695660/
20090213 18:13:32< boucman> hey, OpenArena was pretty close..
20090213 18:13:45< elias> never heard of that game
20090213 18:14:02< boucman> it's a FPS
20090213 18:14:17< Soliton> a free quake variant.
20090213 18:15:17 * loonycyborg wonders whether there's a FLOSS FPS with decent single player campaign :)
20090213 18:15:25< Ivanovic> yeah, there was not this much competition for the game of the year...
20090213 18:15:27< Ivanovic> :)
20090213 18:15:31< Ivanovic> afk, time for lunch
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20090213 18:16:06< elias> does openarena have bots?
20090213 18:16:13< Soliton> yes.
20090213 18:16:30< elias> maybe i should try it then :)
20090213 18:16:43< Sirp_> boucman: well it was nice to see that even though we got only 17% we were a good 5% ahead of anyone else
20090213 18:18:03< Soliton> well, how much more competition should there be? did they forget important games?
20090213 18:18:13< elias> heh, NetHack - why would that be game of the year 2008
20090213 18:21:08< cib0> boucman, im getting segfault now when trying to attack with an elvish avenger's bow
20090213 18:22:03< boucman> ouch
20090213 18:22:23< boucman> testing
20090213 18:23:14< boucman> reproduced
20090213 18:23:43< cjhopman_> ha Ivanovic- actually i knew that, i'm on the dev mailing list
20090213 18:24:06< cib0> boucman, ok, so you dont need my callstack?
20090213 18:24:07< cjhopman_> not sure if i'll have time to apply though, i'm rather busy this semester
20090213 18:24:18< boucman> nope, got it
20090213 18:24:29< cib0> good
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20090213 18:45:04< Sirp_> hi noy
20090213 18:45:10< noy> hey
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20090213 18:48:16< boucman> cib0: thx , fixed
20090213 18:48:20< CIA-70> boucman * r32799 /trunk/src/unit_frame.cpp: fix another crash... I forget to check the image was valid before using it
20090213 18:48:58< cib0> no, thank you =) now i can continue testing some stuff
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20090213 19:00:37< Mordante> hi
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20090213 19:02:47< Mordante> AI0867 the personal message on the server are the old gui
20090213 19:02:57< Mordante> hi cjhopman long time no see
20090213 19:03:33< cjhopman> yeah, i've been way busy.... that and only recently started using irc on my new laptop
20090213 19:04:35< Mordante> ah ok
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20090213 19:06:35< Mordante> you want to apply for gsoc again this year? Wesnoth apply again
20090213 19:06:45< Mordante> Wesnoth will*
20090213 19:14:04< cjhopman> probably... as long as i can find time to apply (and time to be around and doing stuff enough that i have a chance of being accepted)
20090213 19:15:15< grzywacz> evening
20090213 19:18:52< Ivanovic> hi Mordante
20090213 19:19:16< Ivanovic> Mordante: any idea if you will have time to look at the "gui related crashes" soon?
20090213 19:21:57< Mordante> cjhopman nice
20090213 19:22:02< Mordante> hi grzywacz 
20090213 19:22:19< Mordante> Ivanovic no idea, I've some RL stuff to do this weekend
20090213 19:22:24< Ivanovic> :(
20090213 19:25:10< grzywacz> hey Mordante
20090213 19:27:56< Mordante> I know, I hope to find time to fix the crashes next week
20090213 19:38:36< Ivanovic> hmm, who is best to be assigned to this python ai report? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12982
20090213 19:39:25< Ivanovic> fabi: seen the report shadow_master submitted? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12983
20090213 19:40:18< Ivanovic> that is: no idea for whom this report might be, but a "reliable" way to reproduce when the leadership amla ain't given would be *great* to have
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20090213 19:44:04< cib0> does anyone actually play trunk? =)
20090213 19:44:15< Mordante> no it's too broken :-P
20090213 19:44:23< cib0> im noticing
20090213 19:44:39< cib0> i try tracking down MP campaign bugs, but i keep finding other stuff
20090213 19:45:14< fabi> Ivanovic: I saw the report. No idea how to get a better testcase.
20090213 19:45:17< Mordante> no worry there are enough MP campaign bugs left as well ;-)
20090213 19:46:20< cib0> i think all on the bug tracker are fixed
20090213 19:46:39< cib0> but i have 4 others to track down
20090213 19:46:46< Ivanovic> i *love* it that not all "hey, this is well known" bugs are listed in the tracker...
20090213 19:48:08< noy> cib0: a few play mp
20090213 19:48:36< Ivanovic> stuff you sometimes read in the forums like "hey, this is long known" and a clear case of: "noone really reported it anyway"
20090213 19:48:59< cib0> well, the bugs left on my list have descriptions where you have to be very lucky to reproduce them..
20090213 19:49:07< Mordante> like the AI bug which is known for ages ;-)
20090213 19:49:17< cib0> i never knew of that one
20090213 19:49:32< cib0> though it does make sense
20090213 19:49:48< noy> Ivanovic: we had that recently... a guy came on here complaining about how case sensitivity for opening the chat dialogue in mp, showed how we were overbearing in our development approach
20090213 19:50:04< noy> when we were like... umm nobody has ever complained about it before you
20090213 19:50:05< Mordante> it only happens if the AI has no sane option
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20090213 19:53:35< Mordante> hi Baufo_ 
20090213 19:53:48< Mordante> Baufo_ nice job on translating the server messages :-)
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20090213 19:54:32< Baufo_> hello Mordante
20090213 19:55:26< Baufo_> thanks,  but I think it's the translators who are going to translate them :)
20090213 19:55:28< cib0> there is a space left out in the "player droids side" message
20090213 19:56:16< cib0> mind if i add it?
20090213 19:56:19< Mordante> Baufo_ of course but you added the framework to make it possible for them to do it
20090213 19:56:22< Ivanovic> noy: yeah, some people got *strange* ideas...
20090213 19:56:33< Ivanovic> cib0: if it is a translateable message, contact es
20090213 19:56:37< Ivanovic> s/es/esr
20090213 19:56:42< cib0> doesnt seem to be
20090213 19:56:51< Ivanovic> so that it is included in pofix and automatically fixed in the po files
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20090213 19:57:57< cib0> http://pastebin.ca/1336318
20090213 19:58:05< cib0> id be surprised if that were translatable
20090213 19:58:38< Ivanovic> right, this is clearly non translateable
20090213 19:58:41< elias> so typo fixes in English text won't show up as fuzzy anymore now?
20090213 19:58:56< Ivanovic> elias: they should only show up in rare cases
20090213 19:59:00< Mordante> that message is horrible
20090213 19:59:16< cib0> and it lacks a space :p
20090213 19:59:31< Ivanovic> Mordante: correct
20090213 19:59:33< Ivanovic> cib0: correct
20090213 19:59:38< Mordante> the construction of "undroids" can't be transtlated
20090213 19:59:44< elias> Ivanovic: that was a really great idea then, should have had it for much longer :)
20090213 19:59:56< Mordante> elias indeed
20090213 20:00:11< Ivanovic> elias: it required esr working on the en_GB translation and beeing annoyed about the creation of fuzzy strings...
20090213 20:00:12< Mordante> happy esr wrote the tool for it :-)
20090213 20:01:07< cib0> maybe that message should just be removed 'till after the stringfreeze?
20090213 20:01:34< Ivanovic> btw, i just got the mail with the congrats about wesnoth winning the "open source game of the year" award (that is Sirp_ and ettin got it, too)
20090213 20:01:56< Ivanovic> so "soon" (with big values for soon) i should write a news entry that we won
20090213 20:02:18< Mordante> :-)
20090213 20:02:32< Mordante> boucman the gryphon looks well now :-)
20090213 20:02:43< boucman> :)
20090213 20:03:06< boucman> yeah, stupid mistake, would only be visible for units much bigger than 72x72
20090213 20:03:33< Mordante> sounds like a gryphon ;-)
20090213 20:03:50< Mordante> really happy the animation engine now seems to work properly
20090213 20:04:12< cib0> until someone breaks it again, heh
20090213 20:04:16< Ivanovic> Mordante: with other words: we need more "damn big units"?
20090213 20:04:18< Ivanovic> ;)
20090213 20:04:59< Ivanovic> now we "only" need to have those lovely, often reported gui crashes fixed and we are ready for 1.5.10
20090213 20:05:05< Mordante> cib0 next time I _will_ revert those patches, I didn't do it with the MP campaigns :-(
20090213 20:05:55< Mordante> hope my other things are done quicker as expected and I'll look at it this weekend (don't get too much hopes)
20090213 20:06:21< Ivanovic> would the promise of a cookie the next time we meet help?
20090213 20:06:23< Ivanovic> ;)
20090213 20:07:48< Mordante> depends on the cookie, I needs to be very special to convince me ;-)
20090213 20:07:58< Mordante> s/I/it/
20090213 20:08:29< Ivanovic> hmm, what about some tasty chocolate cookie like the ones i had with me last year at fosdem?
20090213 20:09:20< Mordante> I fear it won't do the trick
20090213 20:09:59< Mordante> more big units http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=17072&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15
20090213 20:12:17< elias> is that how the new drakes will look?
20090213 20:12:37< boucman> new red dragon
20090213 20:13:30< thespaceinvader> elias: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=21512&start=15
20090213 20:13:42< thespaceinvader> i'll get round to carrying on with that animation project eventually...
20090213 20:16:13< elias> looks awesome (both red dragon and drake animation)
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20090213 20:17:37< Ivanovic> WOOOOOW
20090213 20:17:41< Ivanovic> those are huge
20090213 20:19:05< noy> hey thespaceinvader if you got some time could you work on these too... pretty please?
20090213 20:19:06< noy> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23846
20090213 20:19:39< thespaceinvader> noy: i really don't, at the moment unfortunately
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20090213 20:20:16< thespaceinvader> i'll do my best to find a free moment, but don't bank on anything, sorry
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20090213 20:22:38< Mordante> AI0867 regarding your patch in the mod forum, looks sane to me, not sure whether we look case insensitive for .pbl files.
20090213 20:25:09< Baufo> only being able to load saves from the saves folder is quite annoying imo
20090213 20:25:43< Baufo> it would be nice if it were possible from everywhere, at least via --load
20090213 20:25:50< Ivanovic> Baufo: yes, it is, but this is clearly a new feature not be be introduced *now*
20090213 20:26:18< Mordante> maybe only via --load
20090213 20:26:30< Mordante> most games seem to have a fixed savegame location
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20090213 20:27:45< Soliton> Baufo: what's the point of the "unknown error"?
20090213 20:28:26< Baufo> Soliton, I'm not sure, let me check... :)
20090213 20:31:31< Baufo> currently it's pointless, I agree
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20090213 20:34:10< Soliton> well, it's not going to be useful in the future either since unknown errors simple will have a message with them that will be displayed. why would the server ever send an unknown error?
20090213 20:34:23< boucman> hey Dragonking
20090213 20:34:32< boucman> how's our poisonous patch going ?
20090213 20:34:34< Ivanovic> hi Dragonking
20090213 20:34:45< Dragonking> hi everyone
20090213 20:34:58< Ivanovic> is the "do not attack poisoned units with poison" part of the ai already done and online?
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20090213 20:35:03 * Dragonking is trying to setup wesnoth under netbeans
20090213 20:35:16< Dragonking> Ivanovic: Not yet.
20090213 20:35:31< Dragonking> Had to reinstall my system and move some data between drives
20090213 20:35:35< Ivanovic> Dragonking: uhm, *why*?
20090213 20:35:39< Dragonking> Now I'm finalizing some setups
20090213 20:35:40< Ivanovic> that is: why netbeans?
20090213 20:35:45< Ivanovic> i thought it was java only...
20090213 20:35:59< Dragonking> Ivanovic: Nope, it has plugins for C++, like eclipse does
20090213 20:36:29< Mordante> is this problem still in trunk? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24054&view=unread#unread
20090213 20:36:57< Ivanovic> Dragonking: getting eclipse cdt work should not be a big problem
20090213 20:37:00< Baufo> Soliton, I think when I implemented it I planned to let the server send unknown errors when no error code was provided until I figured that just letting it send a message then is of course a far better solution
20090213 20:37:07< Ivanovic> use cmake to generate the project files and, uhm, use them
20090213 20:37:08< Ivanovic> ;)
20090213 20:37:20< Baufo> so we may as well remove the unknown error
20090213 20:37:33< Dragonking> Ivanovic: I dislike eclipse
20090213 20:37:48< Soliton> ok, thought so, just wanted to make sure.
20090213 20:37:49< Ivanovic> Dragonking: what does netbeans use internally?
20090213 20:37:58< Ivanovic> that is: is there some makefile import possible?
20090213 20:38:02< Dragonking> Ivanovic: yes
20090213 20:38:10< Dragonking> I'm already able to compile wesnoth
20090213 20:38:16< Ivanovic> ahhh, okay
20090213 20:38:21< Dragonking> Just tweaking some settings now
20090213 20:38:27< Ivanovic> :)
20090213 20:38:30< Dragonking> :)
20090213 20:38:54< Dragonking> Ivanovic: And cmake is really nice :)
20090213 20:39:10< Ivanovic> yes, it really is
20090213 20:40:01< Mordante> I agree
20090213 20:40:07< Dragonking> boucman: About poisonous - like you saw, had no chance to work on it, will try do something during the weekend, tho I still need to work a bit on my uni project
20090213 20:40:59< Dragonking> boucman: But I *think* there is bug somewhere inside barbarianhero's code... I'll need ot test it to make sure 
20090213 20:42:48< boucman> Dragonking: that's possible
20090213 20:42:58< boucman> it hasn't exactly been heavily tested...
20090213 20:43:02< CIA-70> baufo * r32800 /trunk/src/ (multiplayer.cpp multiplayer_error_codes.hpp): removed unneeded mp error code
20090213 20:43:47< Dragonking> boucman: I encountered problem wit this 'attack' candidate move, but I'm not sure wherer it was my incorrect usage or really a bug
20090213 20:44:04< Dragonking> Once I have my IDE environment ready, I'll take a look
20090213 20:48:43< Mordante> Sirp_ could you have a look at this bug? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12632
20090213 20:53:58< Sirp_> Mordante: I will try to, but you might have to remind me. :)
20090213 20:54:19< Mordante> thanks and I'll remind you ;-)
20090213 20:58:01< Mordante> regarding http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/SoC_Information_for_Google do we want a new page or update the current one for this year?
20090213 20:59:48< boucman> I think we should update until we get the questions for this year, and then see what needs rewriting...
20090213 21:01:11< Mordante> ok well I thought up some easycoding things
20090213 21:01:39< boucman> :)
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20090213 21:21:05< grzywacz> ettin, ping?
20090213 21:21:47< ettin> grzywacz: pong
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20090213 21:22:20< grzywacz> ettin, how much would an AVE train ticket from Madrid to Malaga cost? +/-?
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20090213 21:24:22< ettin> grzywacz: hmm, if you buy it a month or so before and from the website I think it is about 40€ or so
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20090213 21:25:08< grzywacz> ettin, ok, thanks :)
20090213 21:27:38< ettin> grzywacz: well, that's for Barcelona - Madrid, but Malaga - Madrid is about the same distance
20090213 21:28:32< ettin> grzywacz: I'll try to confirm that...
20090213 21:28:50< grzywacz> ettin, I just wanted to get an approximate price :)
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20090213 21:34:21< Mordante> boucman Ivanovic added some new tasks http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Easycoding
20090213 21:35:26< Ivanovic> great
20090213 21:35:45< boucman> thx
20090213 21:35:50< ettin> grzywacz: s/40/40-80/ ;)
20090213 21:36:24< grzywacz> ettin, ah ;-)
20090213 21:36:34< Ivanovic> okay, watching a movie now, cu
20090213 21:36:34< boucman> Dragonking: if you have some ideas of easy tasks in formula WML (like a simple "evaluate unit" algorithm) that would be cool to have in EasyCoding
20090213 21:41:24< ettin> grzywacz: do you plan to visit Spain?
20090213 21:41:42< Dragonking> boucman: Hmm.. maybe formula for "patrol unit" that travels between specified points?
20090213 21:41:58< grzywacz> ettin, I'm looking at the possibility of doing so, but it seems unlikely atm :)
20090213 21:42:01< Dragonking> But hmm.. that would prolly be not so "easy" for a beginner :)
20090213 21:42:21< boucman> that would be a thing for a scenario library than an evaluated formula, but why not...
20090213 21:42:59< Dragonking> boucman: It is difficult to make new people write something that evaluates things
20090213 21:43:21< Dragonking> That requiers some understanding of what is important to evaluate and what we may omit
20090213 21:44:25< boucman> I think the hard part is finding people that know the game well enough to write them
20090213 21:44:33< Dragonking> Exactly
20090213 21:44:40< ettin> grzywacz: I see... well, feel free to ask me anything if you come to Barcelona ;)
20090213 21:45:48< grzywacz> ettin, sure. :) However, I've been looking farther south in search of more sun than we get to enjoy in Poland at this time of the year ;)
20090213 21:46:48< noy> Ivanovic: can you come onto the server?
20090213 21:47:01< noy> damn
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20090213 21:49:05< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: can you file a bug about "[endlevel] carryover gold and bonus defaults should be possible to specify in a per-campaign and per-scenario basis", mark it as Postponed and assign it to me?
20090213 21:49:16< Shadow_Master> er, call it FR
20090213 21:51:35< zookeeper> umm, why would that be any less work for me than it'd be for you?
20090213 21:52:03< Shadow_Master> bouncing bugs/FRs back to me is creepy :x
20090213 21:52:35< zookeeper> no it's not
20090213 21:52:45< zookeeper> just assign to yourself when you submit it, what's creepy about that?
20090213 21:55:17< Shadow_Master> I actually was hoping you'd have a better naming scheme for such a feature. I was thinking something like [scenario] [default_endlevel]
20090213 21:56:21< Ivanovic> noy: what is the problem?
20090213 21:56:32< noy> Ivanovic: soliton and I are dealing with it
20090213 21:56:34< noy> don't worry
20090213 21:56:45< Ivanovic> okay, good
20090213 21:58:08< Shadow_Master> uhm the movement assertion bug is a blocker for my campaign's development and UtBS bug fixing :-/
20090213 21:58:34< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, ah, me and mordante tried to figure that out quite some time ago, i think your suggestion is the best so far
20090213 21:58:49< Shadow_Master> ah, boucman committed  a fix
20090213 21:59:27< boucman> yeah, I fixed it on wensday, but forgot to commit
20090213 21:59:29< boucman> sorry about that
20090213 21:59:32< Shadow_Master> but didn't mention the bug report number in the c. message, um.
20090213 22:00:32< Shadow_Master> Mordante: I think https://gna.org/bugs/?12970 should be marked as Blocker.
20090213 22:01:37< Shadow_Master> or mark it as a duplicate of https://gna.org/bugs/?12940 and mark 12940 as Blocker?
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20090213 22:03:10< Shadow_Master> uhm, okay, it's not a duplicate. Only related. It should be made a blocker anyway
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20090213 22:22:20< Baufo> night
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20090213 22:28:10< Shadow_Master> where are "teams" (sic, should be "sides") created when starting a scenario, in the code?
20090213 22:28:29< Shadow_Master> uh, stupid question. I forgot I'm alone at this.
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20090213 22:35:00< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090213 22:38:35 * Shadow_Master tries to summon Alink.
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20090213 22:59:52< Espreon> Damn it... my damn eyes are acting up again...
20090213 23:00:27< Espreon> Whoops, wrong channel...
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20090213 23:02:05< YogiHH> hello everyone
20090213 23:02:23< Shadow_Master> hi yogi
20090213 23:04:32< YogiHH> ilor: wesnoth builds and runs with vc++ now :-)
20090213 23:04:53< YogiHH> ilor: guess i owe you two now ;-)
20090213 23:05:22< YogiHH> *ilor is yogi's new hero :-D*
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20090213 23:05:34< grzywacz> :D
20090213 23:05:55< Shadow_Master> :-/
20090213 23:06:20 * grzywacz has just had an Idea, but is not going to post it ;-)
20090213 23:06:30 * Shadow_Master feels ignored. Who forward-ported that 1.4 fix to replays?
20090213 23:07:11< YogiHH> uh, of course, that is *very* cool, too :-)
20090213 23:08:29< YogiHH> but, you know, for a mouse focused windows fool like me vc++ is just "quality of life" :-)
20090213 23:09:02< ilor> YogiHH: what was the first thing you owe me for? :)
20090213 23:09:17< YogiHH> that darn SDL bug :-)
20090213 23:10:00< ilor> ah, well, you should thank the people that helped me fix it the first time it appeared, iirc it was Mordante :)
20090213 23:10:42< YogiHH> ilor: however, even with using python26 i still get some undefined symbols at linking, so i need to skip HAVE_PYTHON for the moment.
20090213 23:10:53< ilor> strange
20090213 23:11:46< YogiHH> maybe some forgotten stuff on my side, as i was using python24 before that
20090213 23:12:33< ilor> maybe mixed headers from a different version again?
20090213 23:13:18< ilor> oh, and the debug build won't work unless you build python's debug dll from source
20090213 23:13:51< ilor> which was actually a breeze iirc since the source distro contained ready project files so I just had to choose a debug build and hit compile
20090213 23:14:37< YogiHH> ah, that could be it, it was a debug build indeed
20090213 23:15:26< YogiHH> anyway, who needs python? ;-P
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20090213 23:27:49< Mordante> Shadow_Master I looked at those two bugs today and they're not exactly the same so no reason to mark them duplicate
20090213 23:27:59< Shadow_Master> yes, i noticed
20090213 23:28:13< Shadow_Master> but should one of the be marked as a blocker?
20090213 23:28:20< Shadow_Master> * of them
20090213 23:28:33< Mordante> I also already talked to Ivanovic about them and that I consider them a blocker but no idea how long it will take me to fix them (not much time this weekend)P
20090213 23:28:39< Mordante> s/)P/)/
20090213 23:28:56< Shadow_Master> considering that not all of us have 1280x800 screens :p
20090213 23:30:21< Mordante> I see no need to change the status I normally do it if Ivanovic isn't aware of the status
20090213 23:31:03< Shadow_Master> same reason we need bugs in the bug tracker instead of devs with secret bugs in their heads.
20090213 23:31:33< Shadow_Master> that's more or less the thinking manner sapient has enforced on me :p
20090213 23:32:15< Ivanovic> yes, it is also good for the *other* devs to see which blockers are left atm
20090213 23:32:21< Mordante> the whole status thing is a bit of a mood point in the tracker, I don't think a lot of people pay attention to it
20090213 23:32:46< Ivanovic> (especially when they see that someone is assigned to it and it is just a matter of (much) time to have it fixed)
20090213 23:33:11< Ivanovic> Mordante: at least the status "blocker" is relevant
20090213 23:33:19< Ivanovic> about the other stati we can argue a lot...
20090213 23:34:43< Shadow_Master> what would the severity "immediate" be used for btw?
20090213 23:34:53< Mordante> then we should also treat blockers as blockers eg https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12817
20090213 23:35:08< Shadow_Master> is it for situations in which Wesnoth could invade all computers in the world and take over all military weapon facilities?
20090213 23:35:52< Shadow_Master> s/severity/priority/
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20090213 23:38:18< Mordante> Ivanovic when do you want to put the gsoc 2009 on the frontpage?
20090213 23:39:25< Mordante> hmm gna seems to be not responding again and the message in the logs don't make me too hopeful
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20090213 23:44:34< Ivanovic> Mordante: i want to put the "we are the best open source game of the year" online tomorrow
20090213 23:44:44< Ivanovic> and maybe on sunday the "we will try to get into soc 2009"
20090213 23:44:57< Mordante> nice
20090213 23:45:01< Ivanovic> perfect plan would be to announce 1.5.10 on monday
20090213 23:45:05< Shadow_Master> we are?
20090213 23:45:14< Ivanovic> but this would require tagging it on sunday
20090213 23:45:16< Ivanovic> ;)
20090213 23:45:20< Mordante> (I thought the same... this gets scary ;-) )
20090213 23:45:25< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: sure we will try to get in
20090213 23:45:38< Shadow_Master> I was talking about the "best open source..." thingy
20090213 23:45:44< Ivanovic> and yes, we are the best open source game 2008, as selected by linuxquestions.org
20090213 23:45:53< Ivanovic> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2008-linuxquestions.org-members-choice-awards-83/open-source-game-of-the-year-695660/
20090213 23:45:54< Mordante> Shadow_Master of course we are
20090213 23:45:59< Shadow_Master> :-P
20090213 23:46:03< Ivanovic> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/2008-linuxquestions.org-members-choice-award-winners-704226/
20090213 23:46:46< Ivanovic> and this without any cheating on our side since it was not even mentioned in the forums that there was some election going on
20090213 23:47:14< Mordante> hey we're the best we don't need to cheat ;-)
20090213 23:47:25 * Mordante starts to look at the rng so I can win
20090213 23:47:32< Ivanovic> :)
20090213 23:48:08< Ivanovic> that is: those overall slightly above 500 votes are nothing and we should have been able to get this number of votes by a simple post in our forum (then ending at >50% of the votes)
20090213 23:50:01< Ivanovic> btw we are at >3 million downloads at sf.net by now
20090213 23:50:33< Mordante> :-)
20090213 23:50:50< Shadow_Master> let's talk about package installs from linux distros :P
20090213 23:51:06< Mordante> find a way to count them :-P
20090213 23:51:28< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: difficult without any numbers...
20090213 23:51:37< Shadow_Master> at least Debian has a "package contest" thing
20090213 23:51:54< Mordante> popcorn, but people have to install it
20090213 23:52:43< Ivanovic> http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=wesnoth
20090213 23:52:46< Ivanovic> Inst (81506) 
20090213 23:52:50< Shadow_Master> still  nice.
20090213 23:54:05< Ivanovic> anyway, time for me to head off to bed, n8
20090213 23:54:19< Mordante> night Ivanovic 
20090213 23:54:33< Shadow_Master> night Ivanovic, M
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