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20090214 00:49:56< Noyga> happy UNIX timestamp 1234567890 ;)
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20090214 01:03:48< Dragonking> Noyga:  ;)
20090214 01:04:03< Shadow_Master> date +%s
20090214 01:04:15< Shadow_Master> er-- terminal. not good. wrong.
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20090214 08:55:00< Mordante> morning
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20090214 10:23:33< zookeeper> boucman, if i'm having an animated terrain, like a village, would it be a good idea in terms of performance to make the images as small as possible? village tiles are usually ridiculously large with lots of empty space, so i could crop these much smaller.
20090214 10:27:43< zookeeper> hmm
20090214 10:27:47< zookeeper> nevermind
20090214 10:30:43< zookeeper> ridiculously large == covers all 7 hexes
20090214 10:32:21< zookeeper> so the thing is, that i could make this particular animated village be 72x72 or i could just use 180x216 which covers all adjacent hexes too. would using 72x72 images really result in a performance gain, even though the actual terrain graphics rule covers all those 7 hexes anyway, and just places the image(s) in the middle?
20090214 10:47:10< CIA-70> zookeeper * r32801 /trunk/data/core/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Added the new water villages by Cernunnos.
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20090214 11:20:50< Baufo_> morning
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20090214 11:45:31< Ivanovic> moin
20090214 11:57:42< CIA-70> ivanovic * r32802 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/hu.po wesnoth-editor/hu.po wesnoth-lib/hu.po): updated Hungarian translation
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20090214 12:15:17< cib_> hello
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20090214 12:27:55< Mordante> bye
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20090214 12:29:20< Soliton> Baufo_: the password field in the mp menu can simply be removed now since the same options are in the login dialog, right?
20090214 12:34:31< Baufo_> Soliton, I'm not sure, somebody asked me to put it there for convenience
20090214 12:34:52< Baufo_> it never was really necessary
20090214 12:36:43< Soliton> it was convenient when you couldn't save your password.
20090214 12:38:39< Ivanovic> at the moment it is not convenient since you can't tab to the password box, which is not nice from a usability perspective
20090214 12:39:27< Baufo_> I agree
20090214 12:39:51< Baufo_> then let's remove it
20090214 12:46:31< Baufo_> I'm off, bye
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20090214 13:16:22< Mordante> hi
20090214 13:26:29< Dragonking> Any reason why autogen.sh automatically calls ./configure ?
20090214 13:26:59< Ivanovic> Dragonking: since calling configure afterwards is needed anyway
20090214 13:27:12< Ivanovic> and you can directly pass any params you want for configure to autogen
20090214 13:28:14< Dragonking> Ivanovic: Is it needed if I use scons?
20090214 13:28:40< Ivanovic> no
20090214 13:28:58< Dragonking> Hence my question. :)
20090214 13:31:27< Mordante> but autogen.sh is also not required for scons
20090214 13:31:33< Dragonking> Ah ok
20090214 13:32:15< Ivanovic> :)
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20090214 14:01:07< CIA-70> mordante * r32803 /trunk/src/ (text.cpp text.hpp): 
20090214 14:01:07< CIA-70> Updated a copyright statement.
20090214 14:01:07< CIA-70> It seems the old statement was copy-pasted from the boilerplate.
20090214 14:02:01< Soliton> zookeeper: http://gna.org/bugs/?12971  better ideas for the marker?
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20090214 14:21:37< Soliton> loonycyborg: scons should work with python 2.6?
20090214 14:21:46< Soliton> loonycyborg: http://wesnoth.pastebin.com
20090214 14:21:56< Soliton> err, http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/d1ce579e2
20090214 14:22:33< loonycyborg> Soliton: There were some issues with python 2.6
20090214 14:22:44< loonycyborg> They're fixed in 1.2.0 IIRC
20090214 14:24:02< Soliton> loonycyborg: there is a guy in #wesnoth with that problem. maybe you can help him.
20090214 14:27:49 * Dragonking curses formula code
20090214 14:30:02< zookeeper> Soliton, err, the marker he attached is just the regular orb flipped and mirrored..
20090214 14:30:41< Soliton> exactly why i ask. ;-)
20090214 14:31:51< zookeeper> well, i'm not exactly a great fan of the whole idea..
20090214 14:32:06< zookeeper> but i don't have any specific ideas about the marker either
20090214 14:33:21< zookeeper> what a great way to return after a ban -.- http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=339243#p339243
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20090214 16:14:31< CIA-70> dragonking * r32804 /trunk/src/ (formula_ai.cpp formula_ai.hpp): Fixed few nasty candidate moves bugs... :E
20090214 16:15:30< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: done.
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20090214 16:18:50< Shadow_Master> um, I have a better idea...
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20090214 16:21:27< Gnutoo> hello, did someone try westnoh on 320x240? because there is room for a little improvement: the things like money and the turn are too far on the right (money is even on the +- of the tinygui)
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20090214 16:22:21< Shadow_Master> two mordantes. Which one is the impostor?
20090214 16:22:27< CIA-70> noyga * r32805 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/fr.po wesnoth-thot/fr.po): french translation update
20090214 16:22:29< Mordante> none
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20090214 16:22:46< Mordante> testing with irssi
20090214 16:23:23< Mordante> Gnutoo no I think we didn't test with tinygui for quite a while
20090214 16:23:59< Gnutoo> Mordante, I use it a lot...on openmoko and on the bug device(the new device I won at fosdem)
20090214 16:24:14< Gnutoo> Mordante, mabe I should post some pictures
20090214 16:24:28< Gnutoo> ok
20090214 16:24:43< Mordante> you were on the FOSDEM?
20090214 16:24:45< Shadow_Master> bug device :p
20090214 16:24:55< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, done what?
20090214 16:25:02< Mordante> you should have visited the wesnoth hackroom ;-)
20090214 16:25:18< Mordante> I also think the name is odd at least
20090214 16:25:28< Mordante> but I'd love to see some screenshots
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20090214 16:25:50< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: 14:33 <zookeeper> what a great way to return after a ban
20090214 16:26:29< zookeeper> yes, and you've done what?
20090214 16:26:36< zookeeper> boucman, http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24082
20090214 16:26:41< Dragonking> boucman: I don't think poison thing will be in soon.. first I need to make sure candidate-moves thing works properly... 
20090214 16:26:42< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: see the mod. forum.
20090214 16:26:58< zookeeper> oh, right.
20090214 16:29:19< Gnutoo> Mordante, yes I was at fosdem,there was a wesnoth devroom? I missed that :(
20090214 16:29:56< Mordante> no we were with a group of developers hanging out in a hackroom most of the weekend
20090214 16:30:52< Shadow_Master> and my clone was there :p
20090214 16:31:00< Gnutoo> Mordante, ok
20090214 16:31:59< Shadow_Master> wesbot: seen ESR_
20090214 16:31:59< wesbot> Shadow_Master: The person with the nick ESR_ last spoke 1d 20h ago.  20h 37m ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth-umc-dev with the message: Remote closed the connection
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20090214 16:41:13< Gnutoo> Mordante, where should I put the screenshots?
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20090214 16:41:31< Mordante> here http://imagebin.org for example
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20090214 16:41:41< Gnutoo> Mordante, so not on the wiki?
20090214 16:43:17< Mordante> I'm not sure whether you (or I) have permission for that
20090214 16:43:36< zookeeper> register on the forums and post in the coder's corner or something?
20090214 16:43:46< loonycyborg> Anyone whos is logged in can edit the wiki.
20090214 16:43:53< loonycyborg> *who
20090214 16:43:59< Gnutoo> ok thanks
20090214 16:44:02< Mordante> yes but also upload screenshots?
20090214 16:44:28< Gnutoo> here's on the bug: 320x240 screen: http://imagebin.org/38394
20090214 16:45:13< Mordante> is that the default theme?
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20090214 16:45:57< Gnutoo> don't know I just ran wesnoth -r 320x240 -f and it's wesnoth 1.4.7
20090214 16:46:10< Gnutoo> and it's tinyGUI
20090214 16:47:27< Mordante> seems there's some work left for small guis
20090214 16:47:34< Mordante> s/small/tiny/
20090214 16:49:35< Gnutoo> small is for eeepc...does it work well?
20090214 16:50:15< Mordante> no idea it should but I didn't test it
20090214 16:50:27< Gnutoo> ok
20090214 16:50:43< Ivanovic> when i created this stuff around fosdem 2008 the smallgui stuff was working nicely
20090214 16:50:49< Gnutoo> anway it's great to have theses GUI even if they aren't prefect
20090214 16:50:57< Gnutoo> ok
20090214 16:51:02< Ivanovic> and tinygui was working really well when at >=400x300
20090214 16:51:08< Mordante> well I want them to work nicely
20090214 16:51:15< Ivanovic> everything else was just too small to *really* make use of it
20090214 16:51:59< zookeeper> oww. can't use preprocessor for generating correct tag names...like [particle_{NUM}_frame].
20090214 16:54:40< Gnutoo> openmoko is 480x640(default) or 640x480 and bug device is  320x240 all fullscreen
20090214 16:56:15< Ivanovic> 640x480 should work nicely with tinygui
20090214 16:56:26< Ivanovic> 320x240 is just, uhm, *damn* small...
20090214 16:59:21< Gnutoo> lol...but it's great to have wesnoth anyware isn't it?
20090214 16:59:31< Gnutoo> s/ware/where
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20090214 17:01:19< Gnutoo> I'd also like to cross-compile it for another 320x240 device when it will be ported to 2.6 kernel(pma430) (kernel-bug => you're tied with gcc-2.95 for the userspace)
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20090214 17:08:17< Gnutoo> mmm...I found why wesnoth exited :
20090214 17:08:28< Gnutoo> [ 5193.240000] BUG: scheduling while atomic: wesnoth/4146/0x00000002
20090214 17:08:29< Gnutoo> in dmesg
20090214 17:09:29< Mordante> that looks rather bad
20090214 17:09:46< Gnutoo> mabe that's because I use thumb?
20090214 17:10:26< Gnutoo> because thumb doesn't have some instructions that are involved in atomic things
20090214 17:10:56< Mordante> no idea but it looks like the kernel has a problem
20090214 17:11:22< Gnutoo> ouch...
20090214 17:11:48< Gnutoo> thumb is a more compact instruction set for arm
20090214 17:11:55< Gnutoo> I'll ask in #oe or #buglabs
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20090214 18:09:47< Ivanovic> Sirp, Sirp_: will you have time to look at https://gna.org/bugs/?12817 ?
20090214 18:10:17< Ivanovic> that is: it is assigned to you and probably you are the one with the biggest chance to really fix the problem boucman already diagnosed
20090214 18:11:07< Sirp_> umm I didn't know about this before...
20090214 18:11:10< Sirp_> boucman: around?
20090214 18:12:33< Sirp_> I'm not sure who added this concept of 'force' disconnect, but it's not a good idea at all
20090214 18:14:02< Ivanovic> probably it was added to make sure that it is possible to get out when the download is somehow stalled
20090214 18:14:16< Sirp_> we need to use something different for that.
20090214 18:15:45< Sirp_> but I want to discuss with whoever added it what the rationale was so we can decide upon a reasonable alternative.
20090214 18:18:46< Baufo> Soliton, the problem with removing the password box from the method selection dialog is that removing the saved password from preferences becomes unintuitive
20090214 18:18:46< Ivanovic> suokko and Soliton as well as boucman are listed in svn blame
20090214 18:19:22< Baufo> Soliton, we could of course leave the checkbox there but without a password box that would be weird
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20090214 18:20:20< Baufo> Soliton, one solution I could think of is putting the checkbox into the preferences
20090214 18:20:57< Sirp_> Ivanovic: if we replace SDL_Net with Boost sockets in 1.7.x can we backport it to 1.6.x?
20090214 18:21:24< Ivanovic> Sirp_: somehow i'd prefer not to do so
20090214 18:21:51< Ivanovic> since it would change the reuired libs which is not soooo nice in a series
20090214 18:21:57< Ivanovic> +stable
20090214 18:22:12< Sirp_> Ivanovic: well why don't we add Boost sockets as a dep before releasing 1.6.x then? :)
20090214 18:22:17< Soliton> Baufo: so unchecking the box actually removes the password?
20090214 18:22:26< Ivanovic> Sirp_: feature freeze
20090214 18:22:27< Ivanovic> ;)
20090214 18:24:59< Baufo> Soliton, if the box is not checked the password is removed from the preferences on ok 
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20090214 18:25:45< Soliton> Baufo: i see. well, sure put it in preferences then.
20090214 18:27:53< CIA-70> baufo * r32806 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): removing the password box and the remember password checkbox from the mp method selection dialog
20090214 18:28:17< Sirp_> Ivanovic: okay I think the fix to this should be reasonably simple, but I'd like to discuss it with boucman first.
20090214 18:28:27< Ivanovic> Sirp_: okay
20090214 18:28:30< Sirp_> and I want to remove all of his forced disconnection stuff. I think it's a very bad idea and bound for disaster.
20090214 18:29:24< loonycyborg> Sirp_: What Boost sockets are you referring to? Boost.asio?
20090214 18:30:53< Sirp_> loonycyborg: yes
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20090214 18:31:39< loonycyborg> Actually it's a header only library, but it'll require Boost.Thread and iirc Boost.System
20090214 18:32:07< loonycyborg> You can learn many interesting things by hanging out on #boost :)
20090214 18:32:32< Sirp_> :)
20090214 18:32:50< Soliton> Sirp_: the point of forcing a disconnect is to not go into an infinite loop when trying to disconnect a locked socket.
20090214 18:35:23< Sirp_> Soliton: but forcing a disconnect is almost certain to cause a crash because you remove a data structure out from underneath another thread.
20090214 18:35:52< Sirp_> Soliton: I think the way that we need to do it is to make our calls to poll/select have a much smaller timeout, and the thread checks continuously if it has been ordered to disconnect.
20090214 18:36:40< Soliton> Sirp_: ok, sounds good.
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20090214 18:43:01< CIA-70> baufo * r32807 /trunk/src/game_preferences_display.cpp: added remember password checkbox to preferences
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20090214 19:17:08< vonHalenbach> Hi
20090214 19:17:20< loonycyborg> hello
20090214 19:17:30< vonHalenbach> The Synfig project needs a developer who can help out with implementation of open GL. Is someone here interested?
20090214 19:18:05 * loonycyborg haven't heard about that project
20090214 19:18:32< vonHalenbach> Yeah, thats the problem. Synfig is not known.
20090214 19:18:51< loonycyborg> Does it have a website or something?
20090214 19:18:52< vonHalenbach> It is an animation software. 2-D
20090214 19:19:19< loonycyborg> Then what do they need GL for?
20090214 19:19:37< vonHalenbach> http://www.synfig.org/Main_Page
20090214 19:20:04< vonHalenbach> You can ask that yourself in #synfig
20090214 19:22:04< vonHalenbach> <Uiomae> I'm currently porting the renderer of Synfig to OpenGL, 
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20090214 19:35:42< Uiomae> hi!
20090214 19:36:10< Uiomae> I'm a developer from Synfig
20090214 19:36:36< Uiomae> loonycyborg: do you asked why we're porting Synfig renderer to OpenGL?
20090214 19:36:43< vonHalenbach> loonybot, asked why GL when Synfig is 2D.
20090214 19:36:45< loonybot> error: 'asked' does not name a type
20090214 19:37:08< vonHalenbach> loonycyborg asked.
20090214 19:37:14< Uiomae> jeje
20090214 19:37:41< loonycyborg> Uiomae: Yes. I'm curious why you're not using some 2D library that offers acceleration optionally.
20090214 19:37:42< Uiomae> using OpenGL instead of the current software renderer gives us a velocity speed boost
20090214 19:38:11< loonycyborg> Like cairo. Though AFAIK its GL support isn't complete yet.
20090214 19:38:13< Uiomae> I wanted to use something like Cairo
20090214 19:38:17< loonycyborg> But there are others..
20090214 19:38:19< Uiomae> and glitz
20090214 19:38:25< Uiomae> but it's very slow
20090214 19:39:40< Uiomae> also, currently structure of synfig makes it a good candidate to use a fragment shader per object
20090214 19:39:42< Uiomae> layers in synfig
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20090214 19:39:57< Uiomae> and when used, it's very fast
20090214 19:40:42< Uiomae> what 2D libraries with acceleration do you have in mind?
20090214 19:41:59< loonycyborg> I once read about some 2D rendering libraries, but forgot the details.
20090214 19:42:20< loonycyborg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ggi <- one of them I remember.
20090214 19:42:56< Uiomae> didn't know about this one
20090214 19:43:03< Uiomae> but it's accelerated?
20090214 19:43:52< Uiomae> it doesn't seem so
20090214 19:44:19< Uiomae> if I were to change software renderer to a non-accelerated 2D library, I will certainly use AGG
20090214 19:44:35< Uiomae> it's difficult to use, but very good
20090214 19:45:05< loonycyborg> http://www.ggi-project.org/targets.html
20090214 19:45:32< loonycyborg> It says that it supports DirectX. But I don't see OpenGL..
20090214 19:46:07< Uiomae> yeah, maybe OpenGL isn't supported yet
20090214 19:46:25< loonycyborg> It lists glide even.
20090214 19:46:44< Uiomae> yes
20090214 19:47:41< loonycyborg> http://www.kgi-project.org/
20090214 19:47:51< loonycyborg> This seems to be accelerated.
20090214 19:48:49< loonycyborg> And GGI's preferred target.
20090214 19:50:14< Uiomae> hmm, it's seem oriented to terminal framebuffers
20090214 19:50:55< Uiomae> what library are you using in Wesnoth?
20090214 19:51:15< loonycyborg> SDL :)
20090214 19:51:32< Uiomae> jeje
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20090214 19:59:05< malumalu> mh, I have fixed bug #11061, what should I do?
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20090214 20:01:42< loonycyborg> malumalu: commit it :)
20090214 20:02:09< malumalu> well, how, submitting a patch to the ticket?
20090214 20:02:38< Uiomae> loonycyborg, gotta go
20090214 20:02:41< Uiomae> pleased to talk to you ;)
20090214 20:02:45< Uiomae> bye!
20090214 20:02:51< loonycyborg> bye
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20090214 20:04:39< loonycyborg> malumalu: https://gna.org/patch/?func=additem&group=wesnoth
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20090214 20:05:43< malumalu> my editor messed up the tabs >_>
20090214 20:15:29< malumalu> loonycyborg: submitted :)
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20090214 21:23:39< cib0> does svn actually handle stuff like unifying the tab-style?
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20090214 21:36:18< Ivanovic> no
20090214 21:46:26< Ivanovic> updated the frontpage with the award we got from linuxquestions.org
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20090214 21:50:28< cib0> to whom should german translations be sent?
20090214 21:51:18< Ivanovic> chrber
20090214 21:51:27< Ivanovic> the one listed on the german translation page as 'maintainer'
20090214 21:51:50< Ivanovic> the page, as listed in the topic of #wesnoth-de : http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/GermanTranslation
20090214 21:52:48< cib0> ah :p
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20090214 23:29:26< Sirp_> boucman: around yet? :)
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20090214 23:59:32< boucman> Sirp_: just arrived, what's up ?
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