--- Log opened Mon Feb 16 00:00:08 2009
20090216 00:00:30< Soliton> Ivanovic: it's 1.5.10* atm, but will change when i announce 1.5.10 on the server.
20090216 00:00:40< Ivanovic> okay
20090216 00:01:56< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: cmake doesn't currently work nicely for producing codeblocks projects for sure..
20090216 00:01:56< loonycyborg> No idea how either cmake or scons work on Mac.
20090216 00:02:27< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: i got neither a windows nor a mac system to test any build system on those operating systems
20090216 00:02:46< Ivanovic> and for mac: i don't think we got many people testing there at all
20090216 00:04:54< dfranke> I'll nudge him to file some bug tickets.
20090216 00:05:29< Ivanovic> dfranke:  just as info, autotools reports are most likely to be closed as "won't do" ;)
20090216 00:06:11< loonycyborg> I produced the windows release I'm currently uploading with scons :)
20090216 00:06:42< dfranke> Ivanovic: the open source community needs to attract more masochists.
20090216 00:07:00< Ivanovic> even more than we already have?!?
20090216 00:07:15< Ivanovic> in some areas there are too many, or autotools would long be dead
20090216 00:07:15< loonycyborg> And about 10 releases before it too..
20090216 00:07:15< loonycyborg> Actually, 6
20090216 00:07:17< Ivanovic> ;)
20090216 00:07:50 * loonycyborg has huge lag due to upload
20090216 00:08:32< dfranke> loonycyborg: highly recommended configuration: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.cookbook.ultimate-tc.html
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20090216 00:10:51< ESR_> Ivanovic: Bugs closed.  
20090216 00:13:42< loonycyborg> dfranke: That link times out due to the lag caused by uploading :P
20090216 00:13:59< Ivanovic> ESR_: good
20090216 00:16:23< Ivanovic> wesbot: topic
20090216 00:16:58< Ivanovic> ESR_: so what do you think might be a realistic target for the bugcount in 1.6 ?
20090216 00:17:11< Ivanovic> i don't think that we will get below 30 in the next weeks
20090216 00:17:32< Ivanovic> though we might be able to get below 50
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20090216 00:17:45< Ivanovic> and all the lovely segfaults and assertions should be taken care of...
20090216 00:19:58< Ivanovic> anyway, time for me to head off to bed, n8
20090216 00:20:05< ESR_> Ivanovic: Goven that we've already blown our targeted release date, and the translators still have a lot of work to do, I'd just as soon not target a release date or seettle for a long bug list.  Let;s get it *right*.
20090216 00:21:11< [Relic]> you'll never make it at Microsoft with that attitude ESR_ 
20090216 00:21:36< Ivanovic> translators *always* have a lot of work to do
20090216 00:21:50< Ivanovic> and it is really good that the amount of changes has decreased drastically lately
20090216 00:23:14< ESR_> Indeed.  
20090216 00:24:00< ESR_> What we need now is a really serious bug-hunting frenzy. 
20090216 00:24:01< Ivanovic> beside this it would be nice to have a stable release out before all the possible soc students start to storm the chan
20090216 00:24:09< Ivanovic> jupp, exactly
20090216 00:24:41< Ivanovic> so that the soc students candidates can work on some smaller feature requests and their patches can directly go mainline
20090216 00:25:14< Ivanovic> yeah, i would really love to have 1.6 out mid march
20090216 00:25:45< Ivanovic> and now i should even be able to get a release out all 10 or even 7 days since i don't have lectures to attend
20090216 00:26:19< ESR_> Ivanovic: I don't think that's going to happen.  Not unless the bug-kill rate goes way up - nottr that our defect list is currently getting longer rather than sgrinking.
20090216 00:27:04< Ivanovic> ESR_: the list is only getting longer because trunk finally gets some testing and stuff gets reported
20090216 00:27:17< Ivanovic> before stuff was fixed every now and then without it ever being reported
20090216 00:27:25< Ivanovic> or worse the problems going by unnoticed
20090216 00:27:52< ESR_> Ivanovic: Whatever.  The point is, it ain't heading in the right direction to make *me* feel happy about releasing a stable.
20090216 00:27:59< Ivanovic> :)
20090216 00:28:10< Dragonking> I'm a bit concerned about formula AI for 1.6... I'll try to debug as much as I can, but I still think that 1.6 may be quite bggy due to formula AI being quite new and rarely used....
20090216 00:28:31< Dragonking> And I really don't think I can spot all bugs only testing it by myself
20090216 00:28:41< Ivanovic> ESR_: you could directly tackle at least 3 bug reports about thot
20090216 00:28:55< Ivanovic> Dragonking: bugs that are not known can not be fixed
20090216 00:29:03< ESR_> And I will.  But that's 3 out of 83.
20090216 00:29:12< Dragonking> Ivanovic: True
20090216 00:29:14< Ivanovic> not 83, only 73
20090216 00:29:34< Ivanovic> Dragonking: and we can only hope that with further adoption of 1.5.x we get more reports about issues
20090216 00:29:39< Soliton> Dragonking: make useful features of FAI known so that people might actually use it and you'll get more testing.
20090216 00:29:53< Dragonking> Will try
20090216 00:30:09< Soliton> it's already used somewhere in low, right?
20090216 00:30:13< Dragonking> I'd like to have poison thing working and make saome devs vs ai game..
20090216 00:30:44< Dragonking> Soliton: Yes, and ther's still bugreport regarding that IIRC, tho still not sure what may be wrong with that
20090216 00:30:51< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: this one is a "won't fix"? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12944
20090216 00:31:00< Ivanovic> if it is, mark accordingly and close it
20090216 00:31:02< Soliton> Dragonking: ok, that's a good start though.
20090216 00:31:11< Dragonking> So far I need to make ure barbarianhero's code is useful
20090216 00:31:16< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: No. I've fixed it :)
20090216 00:31:25< Dragonking> Since it is quite important part of formula AI
20090216 00:31:29< Ivanovic> even better, than mark it as fixed once the bianry is available
20090216 00:31:55< Soliton> loonycyborg: automatic download?
20090216 00:32:07< loonycyborg> Soliton: No. GPL3 :)
20090216 00:32:54< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: could you have a look at https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12888 ?
20090216 00:34:06< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: I keep forgetting about that, since I don't boot under windows often.
20090216 00:34:49< Ivanovic> assigned it to you
20090216 00:37:31< Ivanovic> wesbot: topic
20090216 00:37:37< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: 1.5.10 is already uploaded, but I yet have to have to download it and test with wine :)
20090216 00:37:45< Ivanovic> :)
20090216 00:41:05< Ivanovic> ESR_: i think several of the older bug reports might now be fixed or were somehow forgotten
20090216 00:41:35< Ivanovic> would be great if you were able to take the time to wade through the bug list and either assign to the ones probably responsible, or lease a reminder
20090216 00:42:16< ESR_> I'll make a pass over the list.  I think one of the new THOT bugs is a dup fixed by Shadowmaster some days ago.
20090216 00:42:17< Dragonking> night everyone
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20090216 00:42:34< Ivanovic> probably several of the reports are duplicates
20090216 00:42:46< Ivanovic> some of the "ready for test" might be really fixed, too
20090216 00:42:49< Ivanovic> stuff like this
20090216 00:43:24< Ivanovic> i see some general bug areas coming up rather regulary:
20090216 00:43:31< Ivanovic> 1) stuff to do with the (new) gui
20090216 00:43:39< Ivanovic> 2) ai related stuff
20090216 00:44:05< Ivanovic> 3) assertions/segfaults which are not related to 1) and 2) (seldom...)
20090216 00:44:20< Ivanovic> 4) mp server related things
20090216 00:46:48< Ivanovic> wesbot: topic
20090216 00:47:18< dfranke> ESR_: aww, you closed https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12969 ?  But it was so helpful!
20090216 00:48:16 * ESR_ makes a rude gesture in dfranke's general direction
20090216 00:49:08< Ivanovic> eg what about this bug report: https://gna.org/bugs/?12550
20090216 00:49:24< Ivanovic> yes, at that time it was a crash but it *might* have been fixed for a while already...
20090216 00:50:26< ESR_> Ivanovic: So test it.  If it doesn't recur, close it :-)
20090216 00:50:36< Ivanovic> ESR_: difficult to test without solaris...
20090216 00:51:43< ESR_> Mark it "Work For Me" with a note requesting Solaris testing. then.  It's not like Solaris is a supported platform.
20090216 00:51:52< Ivanovic> i marked it "need info"
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20090216 00:53:29< Ivanovic> is this one still valid? https://gna.org/bugs/?12077
20090216 00:53:41< Ivanovic> what is the current effect of slow, does it reduce movement points?
20090216 00:54:00< Soliton> no.
20090216 00:54:13< Ivanovic> so this one can now be closed as "invalid", correct?
20090216 00:54:33< Soliton> i don't think so.
20090216 00:54:48< Soliton> slow never reduced movement points.
20090216 00:55:00< Ivanovic> then the report was just wrong?
20090216 00:55:00< Soliton> it doubles movement cost.
20090216 00:55:48< Soliton> but neither matters for the bug report afaict.
20090216 00:56:24< shadowm_outdoors> Ivanovic: how can I force the users of Wesnoth-UMC-Dev to subscribe to our commit mailing list?
20090216 00:56:32< shadowm_outdoors> threatening them with bans? ;-)
20090216 00:56:39< Ivanovic> shadowm_outdoors: no idea
20090216 00:57:13< loonycyborg> shadowm_outdoors: why would be they required to?
20090216 00:57:45< shadowm_outdoors> to save me (and AI0867  as coadmin) the work of approving their initial commit messages by hand?
20090216 00:57:45 * loonycyborg really prefers svn log :)
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20090216 00:58:10 * Soliton prefers git log -p
20090216 00:58:43< shadowm_outdoors> sure, get me a permanent connection and/or a git tarball of my repository :-P
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20090216 01:14:37< Ivanovic> okay, uhm, what to make of this bug report? https://gna.org/bugs/?9496
20090216 01:17:25< dfranke> wow, how the heck did he discover that?
20090216 01:18:28< Ivanovic> dfranke: no idea
20090216 01:18:42< Ivanovic> ESR_: okay, i went through several of the "really old bugs" and left messages there
20090216 01:19:00< Ivanovic> i think several of those "gui related and assigned to mordante" bugs he is not even aware of
20090216 01:19:57< Ivanovic> and there are other reports like https://gna.org/bugs/?5353 which is really not critical for a stable release, since it is a "serverside change"
20090216 01:20:12< Ivanovic> or https://gna.org/bugs/?8410 since we know that the ai can be damn dumb
20090216 01:20:53< Ivanovic> and somehow i think that https://gna.org/bugs/?9496 is a clear case of "pah, who cares, this case sounds by far too obscure..."
20090216 01:21:50< Ivanovic> and i got no idea how much of a bordercase this report is: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?11359
20090216 01:22:03< Ivanovic> should it really be possible to change the XP requirement of a stoned unit?
20090216 01:22:33< Ivanovic> yeah, many of the gui regressions got to be fixed before 1.6
20090216 01:22:42< Ivanovic> and the crashes and such got to be fixed, too
20090216 01:23:09< Ivanovic> *but* some of the reports in the tracker are really obscure bordercases which IMO should not stop us from releasing 1.6
20090216 01:35:02< Ivanovic> alink: you were the last one "really" working on the ingame credits, please have a look at https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13002
20090216 01:36:01< alink> ok will look at it tomorow
20090216 01:38:38< alink> lol really tiny, even with the bugreport i didn't directly see it :)
20090216 01:46:42< Ivanovic> it is about 8px on both sides
20090216 01:47:01< Ivanovic> i had a quick look at the code, but i don't see much in there...
20090216 01:47:36< Ivanovic> okay, really time to head off to bed for me, n8
20090216 01:47:46< alink> gn Ivanovic
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20090216 01:56:38< alink> mmh credits lack a border, adding it fix the left and right glitches but need to also add it at top and bottom, and with the scrolling it's more tricky there
20090216 01:57:12< alink> but like i said, I will see this tomorow
20090216 01:57:16< alink> goodnight
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20090216 01:57:23< crimson_penguin> I found a bug in 1.5.10, but I wonder if it's a problem on my end
20090216 02:00:43< crimson_penguin> http://www.happyspork.com/pics/broken_se_translation.png
20090216 02:02:57< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: Which language is that?
20090216 02:03:02< crimson_penguin> Swedish
20090216 02:03:47< loonycyborg> crimson_penguin: I'm getting it too.
20090216 02:04:07< crimson_penguin> Ok, then I won't worry about it
20090216 02:04:29< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: There's a problem with Swedish translation on the main screen; see link I just... linked
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20090216 02:06:04< Shadow_Master> cpu1_up
20090216 02:06:43< Shadow_Master> eh, I must have a problem. The first thing I do when I resume my computer from suspend-to-disk is "irssi"
20090216 02:07:13< Shadow_Master> instead of reactivating all the CPU cores and setting the dynamic cpufreq governor
20090216 02:10:54< Shadow_Master> wesbot: seen ilor
20090216 02:10:54< wesbot> Shadow_Master: The person with the nick ilor last spoke 9h 43m ago.  9h 43m ago was here and on the channel #wesnoth with the message:
20090216 02:11:19< Shadow_Master> ESR_: why did you close https://gna.org/bugs/?12969 ? 
20090216 02:12:10< Shadow_Master> ah right, I suppose 5 days was more than enough .
20090216 02:13:37< ESR_> Shadow_Master: For a report that scanty?  Yes.
20090216 02:13:49< Shadow_Master> :-)
20090216 02:20:24< dfranke> hey sweet, I just tracked down my old unfinished campaign from an old hard drive.
20090216 02:20:57< dfranke> I might pick this back up at some point.
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20090216 02:30:57< Shadow_Master> Solaris is not a supported platform?
20090216 02:32:11< loonycyborg> How can it be supported considering that we don't have a single developer using it?
20090216 02:32:58< Shadow_Master> true. We need to get one.
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20090216 02:36:38< dfranke> see?  I told you all we needed more masochists.
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20090216 03:03:00< dfranke> shoutout to whomever did the new autumn and deciduous forest tiles, btw.  They're beautiful.
20090216 03:16:21< crimson_penguin> ugh, SF is not working very well...
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20090216 06:05:06< cjhopman_> anyone here know the ai_manager and ai_interface well?
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20090216 07:42:14< CIA-70> cjhopman * r32849 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: - fix for bug#13003, force ai_manager to erase managed ais on reap_ais() call.
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20090216 12:09:00< Ivanovic> moin
20090216 12:09:14< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: clearly an error on the translators side
20090216 12:10:21< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: can you verify this one? https://gna.org/bugs/?11192
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20090216 12:15:21< Ivanovic> cjhopman_: my guess is that the only one knowing the ai_manager part is probably Sirp
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20090216 12:16:41< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: since you probably missed that line due to a stalled connection:
20090216 12:16:45< Ivanovic> [12:10:21] <Ivanovic> loonycyborg: can you verify this one? https://gna.org/bugs/?11192
20090216 12:16:55< Soliton> the ai_manager was introduced by oracle, i think.
20090216 12:18:56< CIA-70> ivanovic * r32850 /trunk/po/wesnoth/sv.po: fix tiny error in Swedish translation, pointed out by crimson_penguin
20090216 12:22:54< CIA-70> ivanovic * r32851 /trunk/ (7 files in 6 dirs): updated Russian translation
20090216 12:26:03< loonycyborg> Hm.. Wine wesnoth crashed when it was rejected by a local trunk wesnothd..
20090216 12:29:14< CIA-70> ivanovic * r32852 /trunk/ (data/core/about.cfg po/wesnoth-tb/ru.po): updated Russian translation
20090216 12:29:43< Ivanovic> short question: will we support wine as target platform at all?
20090216 12:30:00< Ivanovic> that is: there are nativ versions for those platforms where wine would be used
20090216 12:34:04< loonycyborg> I'm testing under wine because it can more easily catch some errors, like missing dlls.
20090216 12:34:10< Ivanovic> zookeeper: can you have a look at this? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13006
20090216 12:34:43< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13007
20090216 12:34:50< loonycyborg> And it allows me to develop windows specific code on linux :P
20090216 12:36:05< Soliton> loonycyborg: rejected as in being banned?
20090216 12:37:29< loonycyborg> "player joined using unknown version 1.5.9+svn:  rejecting them"
20090216 12:38:10< Ivanovic> zookeeper: how relevant do you think is this report? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?11359
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20090216 12:43:23< zookeeper> Ivanovic, eh, hard to say. i'd say definitely not irrelevant, if it's even valid anymore.
20090216 12:44:04< Ivanovic> hmm, okay
20090216 12:44:15< Ivanovic> zookeeper: can you look into this patch from Turuk? https://gna.org/patch/?1121
20090216 12:47:38< zookeeper> Ivanovic, if someone tells me wtf "Enclosed is the patched file to change the recruit on anything other setting to two bats being able to be recruited." means?
20090216 12:48:04< AI0867_> I discussed it with him, it's not a very useful patch
20090216 12:48:20< Ivanovic> that probably means "allow the ai to recruit two bats to get around this error message"
20090216 12:48:23< AI0867_> as increasing the limit from 1 to 2 doesn't fix the problem, just makes it occur less
20090216 12:48:38< Ivanovic> if it makes no sence, just mark it as "won't do" and close it
20090216 12:48:38< zookeeper> correct
20090216 12:50:13< Ivanovic> ESR_: please have a look at this patch: https://gna.org/patch/index.php?1119
20090216 12:50:18< Soliton> loonycyborg: that sends an error to the client which makes it throw an exception.
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20090216 12:55:25< loonycyborg> Must be another exception handling snafu..
20090216 12:57:55< zookeeper> Ivanovic, yeah i'll fix the macro stuff later.
20090216 13:00:17< Ivanovic> good
20090216 13:11:33< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: I can't repro https://gna.org/bugs/?11192 under wine with cross-compiled 1.5.10+svn
20090216 13:14:46< Ivanovic> then mark as "works for me" and close it
20090216 13:42:26< Soliton> cjhopman_: you can close duplicate bug reports right away.
20090216 13:43:43< Ivanovic> ESR_: so as you can see, the bug counter directly drops significantly once some people go through the list and start to filter a little (that is 73 -> 66 is already a good start...)
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20090216 14:51:45< AndreLuiz> guys, why all the code files are in the same directory? it would not be better if there was some dirs where related files would be in ?
20090216 14:52:28< Soliton> like for server code?
20090216 14:52:39< Soliton> or gui related code?
20090216 14:53:55< AndreLuiz> all of these
20090216 14:53:59< AndreLuiz> example...
20090216 14:54:00< AndreLuiz> let me see
20090216 14:54:27< AndreLuiz> deko@deko-laptop:~/wesnoth/src$ ls file*
20090216 14:54:27< AndreLuiz> filechooser.cpp  filechooser.hpp  filesystem.cpp  filesystem.hpp  filesystem_win32.ii
20090216 14:54:27< AndreLuiz> deko@deko-laptop:~/wesnoth/src$ 
20090216 14:54:41< AndreLuiz> all these file 'handlers' in a dir named file_handler
20090216 14:54:44< AndreLuiz> or something like that
20090216 14:54:56< AndreLuiz> opz
20090216 14:54:57< AndreLuiz> filesystem...
20090216 14:55:01< AndreLuiz> i dont think it would fit
20090216 14:55:02< AndreLuiz> hehe =P
20090216 14:55:05< AndreLuiz> maybe
20090216 14:55:12< AndreLuiz> (sorry for the paste)
20090216 15:00:20< AndreLuiz> Soliton, what do you think ?
20090216 15:02:44< Soliton> that's a poor example. filechooser and filesystem are barely related.
20090216 15:03:20< AndreLuiz> ahm, yeah.. i was not happy picking an example
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20090216 15:03:50< AndreLuiz> but the idea is good, isn't ? (i dont have the right knowledge about wesnoth code yet)
20090216 15:04:52< AndreLuiz> well, brb lunch
20090216 15:04:52< Soliton> well, if you find a better example maybe.
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20090216 15:05:06< AndreLuiz_> Soliton, i will work on that then, cya
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20090216 15:43:00< stikonas> Ivanovic: can you apply http://pastebin.ca/1338964 to fix sorting of Čeština and Српски in language selection dialog? At the moment they are at the bottom of the list.
20090216 15:48:49< Ivanovic> stikonas: done
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20090216 15:50:58 * Soliton notes that czech is not russian.
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20090216 15:57:09< Ivanovic> Soliton: yes, and?
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20090216 16:00:25< Soliton> Ivanovic: you mention russian in the commit message.
20090216 16:00:40< Ivanovic> ups
20090216 16:00:59 * Ivanovic kicks CIA-70
20090216 16:00:59< CIA-70> ow
20090216 16:01:05< Ivanovic> correct this when reporting the commit!
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20090216 16:29:43< cib_> hello
20090216 16:31:52< cib_> this is getting on my nerves.. it seems that in 1.4 if one scenario doesn't work, many others wont get loaded, too
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20090216 16:33:28< Soliton> well, it's one big document. if there is one mistake you usually can't go on.
20090216 16:34:01< cib_> scenario as in, separate MP folder
20090216 16:34:17< cib_> IIRC they are loaded separately
20090216 16:35:00< Soliton> what makes you think that?
20090216 16:35:36< Soliton> filesystem structure has very little to do with WML inclusion.
20090216 16:36:02< cib_> the fact that ive worked with the parser and read all the code? :p
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20090216 16:40:01< Soliton> i guess you must be right then.
20090216 16:40:15< Soliton> i'd suggest reading the preprocessor code as well though.
20090216 16:41:54< cib_> right, actually i focused on the preprocessor back then
20090216 16:42:12< cib_> but its long ago, when i started messing with Wesnoth's source
20090216 16:43:33< cib_> maybe its already fixed in 1.5, didnt someone make a rewrite in that area?
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20090216 17:07:17< AndreLuiz> how can i subscribe to the maillinglists ?
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20090216 17:09:14< nital> https://gna.org/mail/?group=wesnoth
20090216 17:25:53< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: that did seem most likely, but I thought it was vaguely possible it had to do with how I compiled the translations or something
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20090216 18:50:54< Ivanovic> cib_: you might also want to look at https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?11024
20090216 18:51:22< Ivanovic> basically some other form of "when something goes boom, a lot of other stuff does so, too"
20090216 19:04:08< cib_> interesting
20090216 19:04:28< cib_> too bad mordante isnt here
20090216 19:05:06< cib_> Ivanovic, do you know by chance what he meant by "namespace"?
20090216 19:05:21< Ivanovic> no
20090216 19:05:30< Ivanovic> i don't exactly understand it, that is
20090216 19:07:02< Soliton> #ifdef MYADDON instead of #ifdef MULTIPLAYER.
20090216 19:07:17< Ivanovic> probably something like this
20090216 19:08:26< cib_> well, that would allow for much nicer stuff
20090216 19:08:31< cib_> such as loading a map on demand
20090216 19:09:36< cib_> 1.5.10 is released, nice
20090216 19:10:59< Ivanovic> yes, i just got to announce it...
20090216 19:11:31< cib_> do people actually play 1.5 now on the server?
20090216 19:11:40< Ivanovic> wesnothd.wesnoth.org
20090216 19:12:01< Soliton> it would also prevent one addon to depend on another one.
20090216 19:12:28< cib_> Soliton, how so?
20090216 19:12:57< cib_> wait, i get it
20090216 19:13:05< cib_> but that wouldnt be good if you ask me
20090216 19:13:31< Soliton> exactly.
20090216 19:13:56< Soliton> so it's not that simple.
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20090216 19:14:49< cib0> maybe the preprocessor isnt intelligent enough to handle that stuff
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20090216 19:16:08< Ivanovic> cib0: so far the preprocessor it probably not intelligent enough
20090216 19:16:09< Ivanovic> hi Mordante
20090216 19:16:17< Mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20090216 19:16:48< Ivanovic> Mordante: it would be great if you could take the time and wade through the bugreports that are assigned to them and post some short notes in them like "post 1.6" and something like this
20090216 19:16:52< cib0> hey Mordante
20090216 19:17:19< Mordante> hi cib0 
20090216 19:17:47< Mordante> Ivanovic I already looked through them and most post 1.6 have status postponed
20090216 19:18:14< Ivanovic> Mordante: some of those markers were set before 1.4 with a "will have to wait till the stable is out"
20090216 19:18:39< Mordante> yes I know ;-)
20090216 19:18:44< cib0> Mordante: in https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?11024, what did you mean by scenarios/campaigns sharing namespaces?
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20090216 19:20:02< Mordante> I could go over them again, but I first want to fix some more bugs so I know how much time I need
20090216 19:20:30< Mordante> I really want to do some items but it will depend on how fast other devs are fixing their bugs
20090216 19:21:01< Ivanovic> :)
20090216 19:21:41< Mordante> cib0 at the moment macros in one addon can affect another addon it would be nice to give every addon it's own namespace
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20090216 19:22:10< Mordante> (ovbiously you'll need to be able to use other namespaces as well due to dependant addons)
20090216 19:22:48< cib0> sounds complicated
20090216 19:23:26< Mordante> the current way causes bugs
20090216 19:23:41< cib0> also, how does sharing macros lead to one error affecting other scenarios/campaigns?
20090216 19:23:45< Mordante> macro names can be duplicated
20090216 19:24:18< Mordante> you define FOO PARAM_1 and another addon FOO PARAM_1 PARAM_2
20090216 19:26:10< cib0> still, that would only lead to those campaigns breaking that use the macro
20090216 19:26:58< cib0> it is generally known that you shouldnt use too general names for your custom macros
20090216 19:31:26< Mordante> which IMO is an ugly work-around
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20090216 19:32:16< cib0> yeah, but the problem described makes many many campaigns crash, which is quite a bit nastier
20090216 19:33:57< cib0> oh, according to the screenshot its different from what i experienced, though
20090216 19:34:08< Mordante> yes but that needs other fixes, hence I need to look at that
20090216 19:34:25< Mordante> but a lot of work and low priority 
20090216 19:35:09< Mordante> but still a good report to keep around
20090216 19:35:22< cib0> i find it annoying, because i use the same userdata for 1.4 and 1.5 and it makes all the campaigns crash on 1.4
20090216 19:35:46< Mordante> you shouldn't do that ;-)
20090216 19:37:06< cib0> it probably would be good to atleast have a separate one for unstable
20090216 19:37:47< cib0> is there any way to have it use something different for userdata by default?
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20090216 19:42:05< Mordante> depending on the build system there is a way to set the preferences directory
20090216 19:42:39< Mordante> btw the bug you look at is not a real problem at the moment since I disabled the triggering code
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20090216 19:47:04< cib0> i cant seem to find it in boost --help
20090216 19:47:12< cib0> er.. scons --help
20090216 19:47:56< loonycyborg> cib0: prefsdir
20090216 19:48:30< Mordante> prefsdir
20090216 19:48:33< cib0> oops, i thought id checked the p area carefully
20090216 19:48:48< Mordante> grep for pref helps ;-)
20090216 19:49:21< Mordante> and I didn't use --help but simply looked in the SConstruct file
20090216 19:49:52< cib0> im still not all too used to using command line tools
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20090216 19:51:33< Mordante> try to use them more often, they can be real time savers
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20090216 20:17:40< Mordante> Ivanovic since you updated the my bug status I'll have a look now
20090216 20:18:22< Mordante> and great to see how all gui stuff ends with me :-/ (especially bugs which still use the old gui)
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20090216 20:19:36< alink> hi
20090216 20:19:42< Mordante> hi alink 
20090216 20:19:49< alink> 'lo Mordante
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20090216 20:24:53< Ivanovic> Mordante: not all
20090216 20:25:00< Ivanovic> Mordante: i asked alink about one of them...
20090216 20:25:02< Ivanovic> :)
20090216 20:25:23< alink> Ivanovic: the credits one ?
20090216 20:25:56< Ivanovic> jupp
20090216 20:26:11< Mordante> yes but chatlines which I never did anything with is on my plate :-/
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20090216 20:26:30< alink> because  just committed the fix 1 min ago :)
20090216 20:27:22< Mordante> zookeeper I assume you still would like to get this implemented? https://gna.org/bugs/?5821
20090216 20:27:27< Mordante> nice alink  :-)
20090216 20:27:58< alink> Mordante: ah yes the chatlines bug, i think it some work (probably why i never finished it :-/ )
20090216 20:28:10< alink> IIRC need some object restructuring
20090216 20:28:50< Mordante> should I assign the bug to you?
20090216 20:29:47< zookeeper> Mordante, hmmh...maybe. the original reason i wanted that was the keep thing explained there, but that's not an issue anymore. so i'm not sure if there's really much need for that anymore, but it could be nice in some cases, sure.
20090216 20:29:48< ilor> Shadow_Master: you were looking for me?
20090216 20:30:29< Shadow_Master> ilor: yes. Two things.
20090216 20:30:51< Shadow_Master> ilor: 1) when will you fix the misleading description in the place-a-starting-location dialog?
20090216 20:31:09< alink> Mordante: not sure, need to wait if i start to heavily coding or not. I didn't finished it when working a lot, so the current lazy me may do the same :-/
20090216 20:31:12< Shadow_Master> ilor: 2) I have a fix for a certain regression from the old editor.
20090216 20:31:30< ilor> 1 I'll do in a moment (today) thanks for reminding me :)
20090216 20:31:40< ilor> 2 I'm curious to hear about
20090216 20:31:49< Shadow_Master> namely the old editor was configured so that the map border overlays in it were lighter than in-game
20090216 20:32:24< Shadow_Master> apparently so that it was easier to see the border terrain
20090216 20:32:26< zookeeper> Mordante, also i wonder wtf is a [tile] tag :P
20090216 20:32:42< zookeeper> i don't recall [terrain_graphics] ever being called [tile], but maybe it was..
20090216 20:32:53< Mordante> ask the submitter of the report :-P
20090216 20:32:59< zookeeper> oh, nevermind, it's a subtag of [terrain_graphics]
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20090216 20:34:00< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090216 20:34:04< Mordante> well I hope to find some time to look at it but don't expect miracles, but I assumed you already didn't do that ;-)
20090216 20:34:05< Mordante> hi [Relic] 
20090216 20:34:55< [Relic]> :)
20090216 20:34:58< Shadow_Master> ilor: I forgot to talk with you before comitting it to my local copy though :p
20090216 20:35:24< Mordante> how useful do we deem this FR? https://gna.org/bugs/?8097#history
20090216 20:35:34< ilor> Shadow_Master: well if it works (and esp. if it does not involve new strings) then just commit it
20090216 20:36:03< alink> Mordante: btw, does the dialog_frame stuff will be replaced by your new widgets? I assume yes, but i mean before 1.6 ?
20090216 20:37:21 * alink hesitate to optimize the rendering of its border
20090216 20:37:53< Shadow_Master> wesbot: log 32861
20090216 20:37:55< wesbot> shadowmaster * r32861 : Fix a regression from editor2: the map borders for the editor theme
20090216 20:37:58< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=32861
20090216 20:37:59< Shadow_Master> ilor: ^
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20090216 20:38:12< alink> wesbot: log 32860
20090216 20:38:12< wesbot> alink * r32860 : A first fix for bug #13002 (small glitches around the credits)
20090216 20:38:15< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=32860
20090216 20:38:20< Shadow_Master> Turuk: ban that idiot.
20090216 20:38:31< alink> people interested by the look of credits ^
20090216 20:38:37< Shadow_Master> but this time it should be a permanent ban
20090216 20:39:15< alink> (i mean having an opinion if keeping that or not)
20090216 20:39:29< Soliton> Mordante: sounds useful to me.
20090216 20:40:42< Mordante> alink not before 1.6 the dialogs have progressed slower as hoped
20090216 20:41:25< Mordante> ok then I'll leave it
20090216 20:41:32< alink> Mordante: ok, big things are always slower ;)
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20090216 20:42:06< Shadow_Master> hi fabi_ ....
20090216 20:42:14< alink> so i will think about my little optmization
20090216 20:42:32< Shadow_Master> fabi_: will you ever reply to my plings?
20090216 20:43:13< fabi_> Shadow_Master: I was offline. You must have pinged a ghost.
20090216 20:43:32< Shadow_Master> fabi_: I have been trying to talk with you for a week or so..
20090216 20:43:52< Shadow_Master> do you have time now?
20090216 20:44:06< Mordante> alink yes I expected that but ran in more problems as expected
20090216 20:44:33< Mordante> extra switch to pango and the draw undraw turned into an ugly mess
20090216 20:44:52< Mordante> so now render in layers like the terrain
20090216 20:45:31< fabi_> Shadow_Master: Yes, I have time now.
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20090216 20:46:55< Shadow_Master> fabi_: https://gna.org/bugs/?12962
20090216 20:47:24< Shadow_Master> you have not commented about it. Anyway, *fix* the problem at hand in SVN (replace victory with continue) and file a bug for the real problem that your test add-on is supposed to reproduce
20090216 20:47:58< Shadow_Master> and please, follow my advice and don't post bare SVN locations next time.
20090216 20:49:00< Soliton> what's a bare svn location?
20090216 20:49:06< alink> Mordante: a lot of new files there, that's some reading for me :)
20090216 20:49:14< Shadow_Master> the thing in the original message of that bug report ;-)
20090216 20:49:16< ilor> BTW, anyone else having problems with GNA colored diffs being well, not colored?
20090216 20:49:25< Mordante> yes I wrote quite a bit of code
20090216 20:49:35< fabi_> Shadow_Master: Why shall I destroy the test case for this bug before it is fixed?
20090216 20:49:43< Mordante> ilor I had that yesterday as well
20090216 20:49:49< alink> Mordante: good thing that you write quite a bit of comments too :)
20090216 20:49:55< ilor> Mordante: ok thanks :)
20090216 20:49:55< Shadow_Master> fabi_: I think you've been long enough to know that SVN preserves history.
20090216 20:50:41< Mordante> I love comment and some comment is extracted more readable here http://wesnoth.org/wiki/GUIToolkit
20090216 20:50:41< Shadow_Master> the assertion failure problem is assigned to me and I know how to deal with a fix in SVN - besides I have already isolated the real issue...
20090216 20:51:06< Shadow_Master> [event]name=prestart [endlevel]result=continue [/endlevel] [/event]
20090216 20:51:11< Shadow_Master> * result=victory
20090216 20:54:15< zookeeper> is anyone yet intending on writing a simple 1.4->1.6 changelog?
20090216 20:55:06< fabi_> Shadow_Master: Okay, I will do what you ask for. But you don't strike the right note lately.
20090216 20:55:13< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: apart from the announcement?
20090216 20:55:20< Shadow_Master> fabi_: what do you mean?
20090216 20:57:02< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: by the way, Cernnunos or whatever his username is, isn't in the about.cfg.
20090216 20:57:32< zookeeper> right
20090216 21:00:13< zookeeper> ... http://www.wesnoth.org/mw/index.php?title=GettingStarted&curid=1411&diff=28275&oldid=27839&rcid=27004
20090216 21:00:32< Mordante> alink in case you're bored https://gna.org/bugs/?12712
20090216 21:02:31< alink> Mordante: yes also noticed it, I remember that it irritated me too. I will check about it
20090216 21:02:41< Mordante> thanks :-)
20090216 21:02:54< Mordante> feel free to assign the bug to yourself 
20090216 21:02:58< Soliton> zookeeper: well, at least revert.
20090216 21:03:02< Mordante> I won't miss that one ;-)
20090216 21:03:21< alink> Mordante: ok
20090216 21:03:34< ilor> Shadow_Master: I changed the starting position text
20090216 21:04:53< zookeeper> Soliton, done
20090216 21:05:53< Shadow_Master> ilor: nice
20090216 21:05:56< Shadow_Master> is my patch fine?
20090216 21:06:37< Mordante> Ivanovic had a look at all 49 of them 
20090216 21:10:03< zookeeper> uh oh, now someone wants it to work exactly the opposite of what i asked for :p http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24113
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20090216 21:37:01< Shadow_Master> some redraw glitches in the MP lobby :-/
20090216 21:37:32< Shadow_Master> http://shadowm.nfshost.com/glitches_mp.png
20090216 21:37:57< Shadow_Master> occurs whenever I click one of the right-side bar entries, 1.5.9
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20090216 21:39:24< Soliton> go with the time and use 1.5.10...
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20090216 21:49:42< Mordante> baufo regarding tmp_login you can also set the retvals in the .cfg files
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20090216 21:50:20< Mordante> also sending a boolean by reference is not really useful, I'll commit a fix for that
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20090216 21:58:35< Shadow_Master> Soliton: ah, okay. I thought it would send me to the trunk MP lobby instead so I didn't bother to compile it.
20090216 21:59:43< Shadow_Master> this is the kind of stuff that I'd expect to be in a changelog.
20090216 22:00:14< Shadow_Master> but nobody bothers to mention glitch fixes nowadays...
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20090216 22:01:52 * Soliton never did.
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20090216 22:03:15< Soliton> if we want to log every little commit we might as well auto-generate the changelog from commit messages.
20090216 22:03:48< Shadow_Master> a glitch bug fix is not the same as a commit. meh.
20090216 22:04:03< Mordante> I think that would be a bad idea, we have a lot of tiny commits not worth mentioning
20090216 22:04:20< Soliton> that glitch bug fix was exactly one commit.
20090216 22:05:33< Shadow_Master> for the particular case indeed. But it's not possible to generalize that. I've seen people fix a single glitch with multiple commits.
20090216 22:07:34< Tigge> Jacobo: /win 15
20090216 22:07:39< Tigge> doh, ignore
20090216 22:08:33< Shadow_Master> I am not going to insist on it, since I fixed a glitch and never mentioned it in the 1.5.10 changelog. Doh. :-)
20090216 22:10:39< Mordante> bad Shadow_Master :-P
20090216 22:12:37< Soliton> what's the point of mentioning every little glitch fix in the changelog?
20090216 22:13:18< Mordante> it can be useful since they sometimes cause other regressions
20090216 22:13:50< Mordante> and also if a bug is reported against version x and the changelog of version y mentions a fix you can tell the user to upgrade
20090216 22:14:16< Soliton> well, my definition of glitch entails no bug report being filed.
20090216 22:14:30< Soliton> which was the case here.
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20090216 22:15:48< Shadow_Master> unless someone summons a bug report before 1.5.10 is announced. ;-)
20090216 22:16:23< Soliton> no.
20090216 22:16:33< Shadow_Master> poor clueless users who can't find 1.5.10 here: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/Download#Development_.281.5_branch.29
20090216 22:16:33< Mordante> or files it after 1.5.16 has been released
20090216 22:16:44< Shadow_Master> of course, it isn't announced. :-(
20090216 22:16:46< Mordante> but I've no idea how big the glitch is
20090216 22:17:04< Soliton> what have bug reports after fixes to do with changelog entriesß
20090216 22:17:06< Mordante> Ivanovic said he wanted to do it tonight to have three days of news in a row
20090216 22:17:10< Soliton> s/ß/?
20090216 22:17:23< Shadow_Master> meh, it's pretty tiny, another reason for not insisting (but you insisted)
20090216 22:17:28< Mordante> since some users report bugs on older versions
20090216 22:17:39< Soliton> and?
20090216 22:18:14< Mordante> so if you recall that it was fixed but not sure which version you can check the changelog
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20090216 22:18:36< Mordante> so either the user has an version too old or the bug hasn't been fixed properly
20090216 22:19:09< Mordante> btw do we log failed login attempts on the server?
20090216 22:19:20< Soliton> yes.
20090216 22:20:14< Soliton> so the scope for the changelog is not only noteable and reported bug fixes/changes but also anything that might ever get reported in the future? sounds like a nice and clean definition...
20090216 22:20:18< Mordante> is there a dummy account to test against, which always fails with a password
20090216 22:20:30< Mordante> since I now abuse baufo for that purpose
20090216 22:20:49< Soliton> i don't see anything wrong with that.
20090216 22:21:19< Mordante> IMO yes
20090216 22:21:32< Mordante> ok then I'll keep trying to login to his account
20090216 22:21:46< Shadow_Master> Mordante: if you are testing the button assertion, just use your regular account and an empty password.
20090216 22:21:47< Mordante> for some reason blank passwords fail ;-)
20090216 22:22:12< Shadow_Master> I just reproduced the button assertion with Shadow_Master and a blank pwd.
20090216 22:22:24< Soliton> well, then IMO we're back to dumping just about every commit message into the changelog.
20090216 22:22:50< Mordante> Shadow_Master I just wanted to know whether it's logged, too lazy to change the name ;-)
20090216 22:23:36 * Shadow_Master slaps Mordante with a changelog entry from the future.
20090216 22:24:08< Mordante> IMO not, pot-updates spelling fixes don't need to be in
20090216 22:24:20< Mordante> also some fixes/changes take several commits
20090216 22:25:00 * Mordante ignores the changelog :-P
20090216 22:26:07< Soliton> so when exactly should a changelog entry be made?
20090216 22:27:24< Soliton> and while we're at it what do entries like "Rewrote the rendering engine which should fix the drawing order." do in the *players* changelog? :->
20090216 22:28:35< Mordante> it fixes redraw problems noticed by users
20090216 22:28:38< Shadow_Master> it should probably be "Fixed units floating in castles". Notice the excessively simple wording and bad grammar. It should be user-friendly.
20090216 22:29:09< boucman> bad grammar => user friendly
20090216 22:29:13< boucman> ??? !!!
20090216 22:29:17< Soliton> Mordante: how many players will understand what that entry is talking about?
20090216 22:29:26< Shadow_Master> hey, I now at least a thousand users who can't understand changelog entries that are more than 5 words long
20090216 22:29:50< Shadow_Master> s/n/kn/
20090216 22:30:38< Mordante> couldn't find a better description at that moment
20090216 22:31:47< Soliton> ok.
20090216 22:31:51< ilor> Shadow_Master: also, sorry, was AFK, your change looks okay, it's simple enough even though it is in themeWML ;)
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20090216 22:33:39< Mordante> but I agree it's not a great message for the player_changelog
20090216 22:33:45< Shadow_Master> ilor: okay.
20090216 22:35:45< Ivanovic> re
20090216 22:37:10< Mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20090216 22:37:12< Shadow_Master> 1.5.0 - Graphics: "* Terrains can be rendered in front of units again."
20090216 22:37:26< Shadow_Master> again? I always thought it was introduced with 1.5.x for the first time.
20090216 22:37:48< Mordante> nope
20090216 22:38:57< Mordante> http://www.wesnoth.org/images/sshots/wesnoth-1.0-heal.jpg
20090216 22:39:51< Shadow_Master> I never noticed that, though I played 1.0 for months.
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20090216 22:40:28< Shadow_Master> I blame the crappy graphics. ;-)
20090216 22:40:46< Mordante> the code was still there only fore and background were rendered in the background
20090216 22:41:11< Mordante> but also the terrain-graphics still contained their fore and background
20090216 22:41:32< Mordante> that's why I revived it
20090216 22:41:49< Mordante> I'm off now, night
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20090216 22:42:08< Ivanovic> time to write the announcement...
20090216 22:42:41< noy> Ivanovic: if you need help
20090216 22:42:57< Shadow_Master> (or, time to try to convince someone else to write it?)
20090216 22:43:00< noy> apparently the government thinks I've got a talent for writing these sort of things
20090216 22:43:55< Ivanovic> Turuk_: and i think we all love cobra...
20090216 22:44:53< noy> ... I'm pretty sure he'll be leaving the community soon
20090216 22:44:56< noy> as will mabuse
20090216 22:45:36< Shadow_Master> "what do you mean?? I did not resurrect this thread."
20090216 22:45:57< Shadow_Master> I assume he thinks that since the post with which he resurected it disappeared, I never read it.
20090216 22:46:36< Shadow_Master> oops. I'm assuming he thinks at all.
20090216 22:47:33< Ivanovic> hehehe
20090216 22:48:14< noy> anybody want a tutorial about how not to act like a moderator on the forum?
20090216 22:48:16< noy> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=339871#p339871
20090216 22:48:20< noy> there is an example.
20090216 22:49:08< Shadow_Master> can someone split that crap out of that thread btw?
20090216 22:50:01< zookeeper> noy, what, you didn't like doc's post? you're such an...ogre. :|
20090216 22:50:54< Shadow_Master> no, he's a Yeti! :-)
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20090216 22:56:44< Ivanovic> Soliton: server is accapting 1.5.10?
20090216 22:56:54< Soliton> yes.
20090216 22:56:57< Ivanovic> and: does it also except older versions, or only 1.5.10+?
20090216 22:57:04< Ivanovic> s/expect/accept
20090216 22:57:22< Soliton> only 1.5.10+ now.
20090216 22:57:46< Ivanovic> announcement written: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24115
20090216 22:57:48< Shadow_Master> first to read
20090216 22:57:51< Ivanovic> now the text for the frontpage...
20090216 23:01:08< Soliton> * Made all human-controlled major characters unrenamable.
20090216 23:01:22< Soliton> an excellent example for a silly changelof entry.
20090216 23:01:31< Soliton> and it's even in the players changelog...
20090216 23:01:40< Shadow_Master> er... I copy-pasted it :-)
20090216 23:02:02 * Shadow_Master stands still for the punishment.
20090216 23:02:22< Ivanovic> updated the frontpage
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20090216 23:12:41< Ivanovic> everyone satisfied with the announcement?
20090216 23:12:52< Ivanovic> have i forgotten anything or made any grave mistakes?
20090216 23:14:15< Shadow_Master> honestly, dull and uninteresting as usual. The changelog (and our discussion around it) is way more fun.
20090216 23:14:22< Soliton> looks good to me, just fixed a typo.
20090216 23:14:51< alink> The first word is wrong, the name of the game is "Battle of Wesnoth" not just "Wesnoth" <;o)
20090216 23:15:08< Soliton> s/of/for/
20090216 23:15:14< Shadow_Master> double fault.
20090216 23:15:30< Soliton> aaand you're out!
20090216 23:15:32< alink> ah yes, indeed :-)
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20090216 23:27:59< Turuk_> Ah, I was missed apparently
20090216 23:30:35< boucman> night all
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20090216 23:38:11< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: why Turuk isn't in the admin list in the Hidden Forum?
20090216 23:39:49< Shadow_Master> that list is very outdated btw.
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20090216 23:48:21< Shadow_Master> not that a link to http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/memberlist.php?mode=leaders wouldn't be more accurate.
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20090216 23:54:13< Soliton> i'd say replace lists with links to actual uptodate data where possible.
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