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20090217 00:01:41< Sapient> mefisto's orc is so dang ugly
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20090217 00:02:50< Sapient> I hope that one doesn't become the standard
20090217 00:03:29 * Turuk_ agrees with Sapient.
20090217 00:03:35< Turuk_> The orange pupil is a bit... odd
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20090217 00:04:06< Ivanovic> Sapient: it would be great if you could have a look at bugs.wesnoth.org and check if there are some bugs that you could takle
20090217 00:04:16< Sapient> it looks like a shrunken head that's been left out in an arid wasteland for a week but the vultures didn't get to him yet
20090217 00:04:27< Ivanovic> that is: feel also free to take some that are assigned to mordante since he does not have enough time to takle all of them anyway
20090217 00:04:44< Sapient> Ivanovic: I have my eye on a few of them
20090217 00:04:49< Ivanovic> great
20090217 00:05:03< thespaceinvader> sapient: it almost certainly won't - we're taking girgistans' basic design as a standard, i think
20090217 00:05:59< Sapient> Girgistan's is not bad but I'm not a fan of the monkey/ape features
20090217 00:06:32< Sapient> anything that evokes Planet of the Apes is bad in my book, and that's treading a fine line
20090217 00:07:03< Turuk> I do like Girg's Wolf Rider
20090217 00:07:15< Sapient> better to be accused of ripping off LotR than PotA
20090217 00:09:32< thespaceinvader> they were a bit PotA a while ago
20090217 00:09:39< thespaceinvader> but i think we've struck the right balance now
20090217 00:09:55< Sapient> my favorite portrait of Girgistan's was the Slayer, by far
20090217 00:09:59< noy> planet of the apes is one of those movies which people cite as a great movie, and yet I don't see why. 
20090217 00:10:06< thespaceinvader> it's difficult to do 'human with slightly beast-like features' without shading into either 'werewolf' or 'ape'
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20090217 00:11:03< Sapient> I can just see it now... people putting in dialogue about those "dang dirty apes"
20090217 00:13:45< Sapient> Ivanovic: I'm interested in any bugs pertaining to general engine stuff (not gui) that results in segfault
20090217 00:14:21< Ivanovic> Sapient: hmm, i am sure there are some problems
20090217 00:14:39< Ivanovic> general engine stuff: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?11359
20090217 00:15:34< Ivanovic> plus those two, there alink might have some more info...
20090217 00:15:36< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?11551
20090217 00:15:38< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12077
20090217 00:16:01< Sapient> Ivanovic: regarding bug #11359, the handling of max_experience modification has greatly changed between 1.4 and 1.5
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20090217 00:16:13< Sapient> so that one is probably invalid
20090217 00:16:21< Ivanovic> then you could check if this one is still valid and comment accordingly
20090217 00:16:57< Sapient> I can't test anything that requires running two clients, unless maybe someone volunteers to assist me
20090217 00:16:58< alink> 11551 and 12077 are not segfaulting, just only apply correctly the game's rules
20090217 00:17:01< Ivanovic> and AI0867 submitted some engine stuff, no idea what the status of the work on it is: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12428
20090217 00:17:13< alink> s/correctly/ not correctly 
20090217 00:17:22< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: read what I said btw?
20090217 00:17:45< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: he is not in the list of admins because i have not updated it lately
20090217 00:17:53< Ivanovic> also several wesnothd people are missing in that list
20090217 00:18:25< Ivanovic> and: in general we can't replace *everything* of that list, though we can replace the forum admin part with a link to the admin group, that is correct
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20090217 00:18:40< Shadow_Master> yep.
20090217 00:18:54< Ivanovic> and, since it is in the moderators forum, feel free to edit it yourself
20090217 00:18:56< Ivanovic> ;)
20090217 00:19:13< Shadow_Master> I don't know who are the server sysops besides you, Rhonda and Soliton  atm.
20090217 00:19:38< Ivanovic> that is for all the points where you *know* someone added, add him
20090217 00:19:41< Shadow_Master> as in : who has close-to-root or root access.
20090217 00:19:59< Ivanovic> and where you know a link to a list of those people with access to areas, add this link
20090217 00:20:17< Ivanovic> the list is not only about those having ssh root access
20090217 00:20:31< Ivanovic> it is also about wiki, forum, wesnothd, gna, sf.net, ...
20090217 00:20:48< Shadow_Master> I was talking specifically about the website admins, actually.
20090217 00:24:46< Ivanovic> Sapient: for the moment that is all i directly find with "engine stuff" that is clearly non gui
20090217 00:24:53< Ivanovic> but there are probably *many* more
20090217 00:25:04< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: i don't know for sure who has access either
20090217 00:25:16< Sapient> bug #12077 -- yet another bug with the "sighted" event
20090217 00:25:16< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: what about examining the sudo config ? ;-)
20090217 00:25:40< Ivanovic> too much work...
20090217 00:25:45< Sapient> I do think we should deprecate and remove the sighted event
20090217 00:25:54< Sapient> it has had tons of bugs since its inception
20090217 00:25:58< Shadow_Master> Sapient: what should I replace it with?
20090217 00:26:05< Sapient> [filter_vision]
20090217 00:26:49< Sapient> filter_vision is less powerful, but far far easier to maintain
20090217 00:26:57< Shadow_Master> how would I write a event so that whenever unit of id=Elyssa becomes visible to a side=1 unit, something happens? :p
20090217 00:27:22< Sapient> simple enough
20090217 00:28:28< Sapient> [event] name=select,moveto,side turn [filter] id=Elyssa [filter_vision] viewing_side=1
20090217 00:28:53< Shadow_Master> [event] name=moveto [filter] id=Elyssa ... ?
20090217 00:29:00< Shadow_Master> but that will trigger only if *she* moves.
20090217 00:29:14< Sapient> ah, sorry
20090217 00:29:28< Sapient> you'd need to use [have_unit]
20090217 00:29:54< Sapient> [event] name=select,moveto,side turn [if][have_unit] id=Elyssa [filter_vision] viewing_side=1
20090217 00:30:09< Shadow_Master> ugh.
20090217 00:30:38< Sapient> well, it's not pretty but it's much clearer under which conditions it works
20090217 00:30:40< Shadow_Master> you see, that makes me think that 'sighted' should be fixed, rather than removed.
20090217 00:31:11< Shadow_Master> if I attack a unit from her team, the shroud won't clear and reveal her location until the attack_end event finishes
20090217 00:31:24< Sapient> Shadow_Master: if you want to adopt that broken baby then feel free to try, but I'll caution you it's not an easy fix at all and liable to be broken again
20090217 00:31:29< Shadow_Master> so [filter_vision] wouldn't work during the moveto part of the attack sequence
20090217 00:31:36< Shadow_Master> uh, I know -.-
20090217 00:32:02< Sapient> the moveto event fires before an attack occurs
20090217 00:32:11< Shadow_Master> yep, and before shroud is cleared.
20090217 00:32:12< Sapient> assuming there was movement
20090217 00:32:43< Sapient> before shroud is cleared -> that's a separate bug
20090217 00:32:55< Shadow_Master> since it's a campaign-essential event, I think I'll keep using moveto with some fancy [filter_location]
20090217 00:33:04< Shadow_Master> [filter] side=1 [filter_location] [filter_radius] ...
20090217 00:39:09< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: okay, the admin list is now updated and should be "rather" up to date
20090217 00:39:43< Shadow_Master> haha ;-)
20090217 00:40:16< Shadow_Master> should I list wesnoth-umc-dev there too ? :-P
20090217 00:41:42 * Ivanovic does not care much
20090217 00:44:39< Ivanovic> time for me to head off to bed, n8
20090217 00:44:51< alink> gn Ivanovic
20090217 00:45:11< alink> little test, who knew that arrow keys change the scrolling speed of credits ?
20090217 00:45:21 * Ivanovic did not
20090217 00:45:54< alink> yes me too, even after have read the code in the past :)
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20090217 00:46:31 * Soliton knew.
20090217 00:46:39< Soliton> it's somewhat new though.
20090217 00:47:01< alink> ah ok, so maybe it's why i didn't notice it before
20090217 00:47:05< Shadow_Master> and I was thinking about filing a FR about it.
20090217 00:47:20< Shadow_Master> e.g. No I didn't notice its existence either.
20090217 00:48:12< alink> ah maybe added by ilor 22/9/2008
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20090217 00:48:32< Soliton> yep.
20090217 00:49:18< Shadow_Master> but it won't let me speed it up to 'c' ! ;-(
20090217 00:49:54< Soliton> depends on the pixel size.
20090217 00:49:58< alink> i can change the maximum speed if you want, currently 20
20090217 00:50:13< alink> maybe add "int c = 20" :o)
20090217 00:51:12< alink> testing if going backwards works (i doubt it)
20090217 00:51:44< Shadow_Master> and get a lot of physicists at my doors, wanting to turn me into smashed flesh for changing the c constant? nay-
20090217 00:51:50< Soliton> that might be nice to implement.
20090217 00:52:01< alink> ah funny how it looks, but it doesn't redraw the already passed text
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20090217 00:53:12< alink> yeah will maybe try if i see a simple way, this code is already too complex for what it does
20090217 00:53:38< alink> (thus why i just commited simplification)
20090217 00:56:54< Shadow_Master> When CIA is down I remember how useful it is.
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20090217 01:03:09< alink> yes can be easily done, but breaks when hitting the top. I will probably do it later.
20090217 01:05:50< Shadow_Master> 20090216 21:07:13 error display: could not open image 'units/undead-skeletal/death-knight.png'
20090217 01:05:55< Shadow_Master> uhhh??
20090217 01:06:47< Shadow_Master> since when it is deathknight.png instead?
20090217 01:07:15< Shadow_Master> wesbot: log 32859
20090217 01:07:16< wesbot> zookeeper * r32859 : Fixed broken portrait image path.
20090217 01:07:16< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=32859
20090217 01:07:45< Shadow_Master> I am confused. It is broken now.
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20090217 01:08:03< alink> seems that zookeeper confused portrait and unit image
20090217 01:08:28< Shadow_Master> um yeah, probably.
20090217 01:08:47< alink> well having different filename was confusing
20090217 01:08:55< Shadow_Master> but we cannot change that *now*.
20090217 01:09:50< alink> i wonder if he was fixing a bug
20090217 01:11:03< Shadow_Master> wesbot: log 32870
20090217 01:11:04< wesbot> shadowmaster * r32870 : Revert "Fixed broken portrait image path."
20090217 01:11:07< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=32870
20090217 01:11:09< alink> wesbot: log 32128
20090217 01:11:09< wesbot> thespaceinvader * r32128 : Add and wire Death Knight portrait by me and Girgistan, update changelog
20090217 01:11:12< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=32128
20090217 01:11:31< Shadow_Master> that's very interesting, because I never had issues with that portrait (I test every new portrait added)
20090217 01:11:55< Soliton> crimson_penguin: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24118
20090217 01:12:14< Shadow_Master> both the baseframe and portrait are working after 32870.
20090217 01:12:16< alink> when did we remove the author-name/..   filestructure 
20090217 01:12:30< Shadow_Master> alink: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=23690
20090217 01:12:38< Shadow_Master> in your absence. :-P
20090217 01:13:47< Shadow_Master> 1.5.10 is fine though.
20090217 01:14:59< Shadow_Master> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=339934#p339934 eh :-/
20090217 01:15:02< alink> speaking of my absence, i will now get some food and sleep, bye
20090217 01:15:17< Shadow_Master> Turuk: it's embarassing.
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20090217 01:15:38< Shadow_Master> but leave it as is. It helps solve the Shadow-Shadow_Master confusion.
20090217 01:15:53< Turuk> Yeah, I almost didn't but I thought eh, might as well start using it
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20090217 02:26:11< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r32861 /trunk/data/themes/editor2.cfg: 
20090217 02:26:11< CIA-70> Fix a regression from editor2: the map borders for the editor theme
20090217 02:26:11< CIA-70> should be less opaque than the regular in-game map borders.
20090217 02:26:11< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r32862 /trunk/misc/fortunes/wesnoth: 
20090217 02:26:11< CIA-70> Two fortune cookies related to
20090217 02:26:14< CIA-70> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=23966 . ;-)
20090217 02:27:36< CIA-70> ilor * r32863 /trunk/src/editor2/mouse_action.cpp: fix a misleading information message about the starting position tool hotkeys
20090217 02:27:36< CIA-70> noyga * r32864 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth-l/fr.po): French translation update
20090217 02:30:09< CIA-70> ivanovic * r32867 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: announced 1.5.10, cleaning the file
20090217 02:34:28< CIA-70> cjhopman * r32854 /trunk/ (7 files in 5 dirs): 
20090217 02:34:28< CIA-70> -fix for bug #12990 -- refresh battle context after firing attack_end event
20090217 02:34:28< CIA-70> -also reenable FORCE_CHANCE_TO_HIT now that bug is fixed
20090217 02:35:09< CIA-70> cjhopman * r32855 /trunk/src/actions.cpp: - refresh battle context after attack_end event firing when defender kills attacker, too
20090217 02:37:10< CIA-70> esr * r32856 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Hammer_of_Thursagan/scenarios/11_The_Court_of_Karrag.cfg: Address bug #13000: Use Karrag's large portrait.
20090217 02:38:49< CIA-70> mordante * r32858 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: 
20090217 02:38:49< CIA-70> Fix a compiler warning.
20090217 02:38:49< CIA-70> r32849 introduce this warning, now added more comment and disable the if
20090217 02:38:49< CIA-70> instead. Also reindented the source for this function.
20090217 02:39:26< CIA-70> zookeeper * r32859 /trunk/data/core/units/undead/Skele_Death_Knight.cfg: Fixed broken portrait image path.
20090217 02:40:42< CIA-70> alink * r32860 /trunk/src/about.cpp: 
20090217 02:40:42< CIA-70> A first fix for bug #13002 (small glitches around the credits)
20090217 02:40:42< CIA-70> Adding the same border as the title screen.
20090217 02:40:42< CIA-70> Checking if wanted before optimizing it.
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20090217 02:42:29< CIA-70> mordante * r32865 /trunk/src/gui/dialogs/ (mp_connect.cpp mp_connect.hpp): Sending a const bool as reference is not useful.
20090217 02:46:06< CIA-70> zookeeper * r32866 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_Rise_Of_Wesnoth/scenarios/06_Temple_of_the_Deep.cfg: Prevent an unnecessary undo invalidation.
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20090217 02:51:10< CIA-70> thespaceinvader * r32868 /trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Add LordBob's Javelineer portrait, update changelogs, portrait credits.
20090217 02:52:03< CIA-70> alink * r32869 /trunk/src/about.cpp: 
20090217 02:52:03< CIA-70> Several cleaning and optimizations of credits.
20090217 02:52:03< CIA-70> Now smoother scrolling and also fix a bug with long name on small screen.
20090217 02:53:00< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r32870 /trunk/data/core/units/undead/Skele_Death_Knight.cfg: 
20090217 02:53:00< CIA-70> Revert "Fixed broken portrait image path."
20090217 02:53:00< CIA-70> This reverts commit 32859.
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20090217 03:13:03< crimson_penguin> Soliton: thanks
20090217 03:13:17< crimson_penguin> GOD, I think I made Wesnoth depend on Office being installed :-/
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20090217 03:14:32< Soliton> whoops
20090217 03:16:31< crimson_penguin> but I'm not sure what to do about it
20090217 03:16:40< crimson_penguin> I guess the first step is to find out if it's true
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20090217 03:44:22 * Jetrel is committing the new mermen base frames.
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20090217 03:51:51< Shadow_Master> Jetrel: nice.
20090217 03:52:09< Shadow_Master> not nice. I say nice to everything.
20090217 03:52:30< Jetrel> lol
20090217 03:52:48< Jetrel> oookeydokey.  Here comes the hunter line...
20090217 03:53:38< Turuk> Yeah, indeed.
20090217 03:53:42< noy> who here has played settlers of cataan
20090217 03:54:14 * voris raises his hand
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20090217 03:54:32< Jetrel> Shadow_Master:  dumb unix question.  If I've just svn deleted a bunch of images, like hunter-attack-n.png, and I do a "svn commit hunter*.png, will it commit the deleted images, or will it skip them because the files aren't there anymore?
20090217 03:54:32< voris> And how the heck do you make wesnoth depend on Office?
20090217 03:54:52< Jetrel> voris:  integrated exchange support.
20090217 03:55:15< Jetrel> voris:  we now do play-by-email, so we wanted to support outlook.
20090217 03:55:25< Shadow_Master> Jetrel: ehm svn rm foo.png ; svn ci foo.png will remove foo.png from the repository's HEAD
20090217 03:55:37< Shadow_Master> but svn commit hunter*.png won't do that
20090217 03:55:55< voris> hah
20090217 03:55:55< Shadow_Master> simple reason: the shell will expand hunter*.png into a list of existing files in your filesystem
20090217 03:56:06< Shadow_Master> and then it will put the expanded names into svn's argument list.
20090217 03:56:11< Jetrel> Shadow_Master:  yeah, that's what I was afraid of.
20090217 03:56:29< Shadow_Master> so you should svn st to see the list of deleted (D) files and then svn ci them by hand
20090217 03:56:38< Shadow_Master> or svn ci the whole directory (e.g. svn ci . )
20090217 03:56:57< Jetrel> oh
20090217 03:57:08< Jetrel> I can do that?  Huh.
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20090217 03:57:30< Jetrel> I often tend to use just an argument-less svn commit, which seems to use that as it's default.
20090217 03:57:35< Shadow_Master> yeah
20090217 03:57:52< Jetrel> I was hoping to get both the behaviour of that, AND be able to commit another file (the .cfg) outside the current working directory.
20090217 03:58:06< Shadow_Master> svn ci . ../../units/foo
20090217 03:58:37< Jetrel> Yep. :)
20090217 03:58:38< Shadow_Master> or ../../../units/foo, since you are probably at a subdir of images/units/, and not images/units/ itself
20090217 03:58:57< Jetrel> Yeah, I've done the cfgs as part of image commits several times already.
20090217 03:59:21< Jetrel> I'd just never done it without all the images specified explicitly.
20090217 04:00:06 * Jetrel dope slaps himself.
20090217 04:00:09< CIA-70> jetryl * r32871 /trunk/data/core/ (23 files in 2 dirs): New TC base frames for the merman hunter line.
20090217 04:00:29< Jetrel> And I forgot to COPY IN the new pngs while I was doing this.  ROFLbad.
20090217 04:01:20< CIA-70> jetryl * r32872 /trunk/data/core/images/units/merfolk/ (5 files): New TC base frames for the merman hunter line.
20090217 04:01:59< Jetrel> I believe I'm gonna do a last-minute edit to the merman warrior - I realized that I over-avoided using a 45° angled spear in doing these sprites to the point of literally never doing it.
20090217 04:02:13< Jetrel> And the warrior's trident is almost totally underwater.
20090217 04:03:05< noy> Jetrel: get my pm?
20090217 04:03:23< Jetrel> nope.
20090217 04:03:30< noy> hmm odd
20090217 04:04:15< Jetrel> No, I just hadn't read it.
20090217 04:04:31< noy> ah
20090217 04:04:35< noy> wasn't important
20090217 04:05:47< Jetrel> noy:  ah, overall, they look good.
20090217 04:06:31< Jetrel> It's very cool to see someone doing these and not tragically fucking up.
20090217 04:06:44< noy> heh
20090217 04:06:46< noy> true enough
20090217 04:06:54< Jetrel> Which always seems to be the case.
20090217 04:18:49< Shadow_Master> night.
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20090217 06:04:20< crimson_penguin> voris: by depending on a font it installs
20090217 06:04:48< crimson_penguin> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24118
20090217 06:39:50< CIA-70> jetryl * r32873 /trunk/data/core/ (17 files in 2 dirs): New TC base frames for the merman fighter line.
20090217 06:42:04< voris> doh
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20090217 07:51:03< zookeeper> err, yeah, sorry about the death knight. i have no idea what i was thinking. besides the portrait wasn't working so i figured the portrait path must be wrong, so i only saw the unit image path, and...uh ;)
20090217 07:52:59< zookeeper> Jetrel, please, you have to do eloh and grog :z http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=24117
20090217 07:53:04< zookeeper> my eyes hurt.
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20090217 08:33:03< Jetrel> zookeeper:  most likely, I'll try and get them done immediately after the mermaids / sylph.  Maybe before the sylph.
20090217 08:33:17< Jetrel> They're a high-ish priority for me.
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20090217 09:02:59< zookeeper> Jetrel, http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=24127
20090217 09:04:39< Jetrel> zookeeper: is that in 1.5.9?
20090217 09:06:57< zookeeper> 1.5.10
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20090217 09:27:34 * Rhonda wonders why Shadow_Master sees any connection between any Hidden Forum access and (root) access to the server?
20090217 09:27:53 * Rhonda doesn't plan to track any webforum just because I help with administering the server ...
20090217 09:35:12< CIA-70> cjhopman * r32874 /trunk/src/ (unit_map.cpp unit_map.hpp): 
20090217 09:35:12< CIA-70> - greatly improve unit_map interface documentation
20090217 09:35:12< CIA-70> - templatize unit_map iterators
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20090217 10:51:42< zookeeper> but he might, here.
20090217 11:00:51< loonycyborg> http://wesnoth.pastebin.com/m21d13b1f
20090217 11:01:56< loonycyborg> cjhopman_: Weren't you fiddling with unit map iterators recently? ;)
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20090217 11:37:10 * Rhonda looks at http://changelog.complete.org/archives/910-how-to-think-about-compression and "bzip2 can do roughly 7% better than gzip, at a cost of a compression time more than 3 times as long."
20090217 11:38:29< Rhonda> hmm
20090217 11:38:40< Rhonda> Did I miss a 1.5.10 mail?
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20090217 12:02:21< Ivanovic> moin
20090217 12:02:48< Ivanovic> Rhonda: uhm, i sent the mail to all the people i got on my list...
20090217 12:03:19< Rhonda> I haven't read mail today. :)
20090217 12:03:45< Ivanovic> that was on sunday evening around 11pm
20090217 12:03:56< Ivanovic> 15.02.2009 22:52
20090217 12:06:22< Ivanovic> and you deb.at address was in the list of receivers
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20090217 12:17:21< cib_> greetings
20090217 12:19:49< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Found it, including the typo (not instead of note)
20090217 12:20:14< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: uhm, why do you not use the fonts wesnoth comes with for the osx binary?
20090217 12:20:31< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24118&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
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20090217 12:23:42< cib_> heh, never expect something with microsoft in the title to work anywhere but on windows :p
20090217 12:24:07< Ivanovic> zookeeper: please have a look at this one: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24132&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
20090217 12:24:18< Ivanovic> cib_: in fact ms office on mac is a lot better than on windows
20090217 12:24:26< cib_> i didn't even know Wesnoth could use system fonts
20090217 12:24:42< Ivanovic> as IE4 on mac was actually following the W3C a lot better than the one on windows (and it was a really good browser)
20090217 12:24:50< loonycyborg> It can after move to pango.
20090217 12:25:26< Ivanovic> so has mordante accidentally fullfilled this fr? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12810
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20090217 12:49:38< cib_> has silene shown up lately?
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20090217 12:49:56< Soliton> wesbot: seen silene
20090217 12:49:56< wesbot> Soliton: The person with the nick silene 1d 13h ago person left:
20090217 12:50:36< cib0> that grammar looks broken
20090217 12:53:17< cib0> im thinking about doing a little experiment, converting something like ANL to lua in order to find out whether it will lead to a performance gain, but i have no idea whether his patch is mature enough yet
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20090217 13:20:05< Rhonda> wmllint_gui wx, omfg  %-(
20090217 13:20:49< Rhonda> Why not using a sane gui toolkit  :(
20090217 13:21:49< Rhonda> I refrain from packaging that, sorry.
20090217 13:22:41< cib0> Rhonda, a sane gui toolkit?
20090217 13:23:50< loonycyborg> PyQt? :P
20090217 13:24:34< cib0> i think the only sane thing is the native GUI API
20090217 13:24:58< cib0> but sorry, im not going to write ~3 different GUIs
20090217 13:25:21< Rhonda> cib0: One where the developers have a sense for what a stable API means, or at least remotely have a clue with respect to error-resistent coding.
20090217 13:26:03< Rhonda> Maintaining packages for wx is a horror and it's hard to get bugs fixed in there that are well known and documented since years
20090217 13:26:43< cib0> i noticed it was crap, but then i was already done..
20090217 13:27:26< cib0> also, it's more or less "done" and its too simple to cause bugs me thinks
20090217 13:27:54< Rhonda> And having to deal with the random breakages tha the widget brings with it in application part is quite strainous, too.
20090217 13:28:17< cib0> anyway, i dont expect you or anyone to package it
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20090217 13:34:59< cib0> if i ever feel the need to expand it or write more front-ends, i will probably convert it to pyGTK, since there is already a tool using that
20090217 13:39:35< Rhonda> gtk is also cross-platform available, right :)
20090217 13:41:57< cib0> though it doesn't adapt to native style at all.. a windows program under wine will look more native than a gtk program under windows
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20090217 13:54:36< cib0> hm.. do i use patch to apply a diff? if so, what parameters do i pass it? it seems to expect a single file
20090217 13:56:09< loonycyborg> patch -p0 -i file.diff
20090217 13:56:52< cib0> ah, thanks
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20090217 14:06:22< CIA-70> ivanovic * r32875 /trunk/po/wesnoth-tb/ru.po: updated Russian translation
20090217 14:12:09< cib0> meh.. telling scons to include lua doesn't seem trivial
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20090217 14:14:41< loonycyborg> cib0: http://rafb.net/p/nGrsAn83.html
20090217 14:16:09< cib0> erm, ok then =D
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20090217 14:21:49< cib0> hm.. "No package 'lua' found"..
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20090217 14:22:46< loonycyborg> "pkg-config --libs --cflags lua" says the same?
20090217 14:24:27< cib0> yup, it apparantly needs a version number, too..
20090217 14:24:38< cib0> lua50 can be found
20090217 14:24:58< zookeeper> anyways, due to the repeated name-calling and so on, i'd suggest banning that guy from the channel
20090217 14:25:39< loonycyborg> conf.CheckPKG("lua50") then :)
20090217 14:25:41< AI0867> lua50 not found here either, but that's just it's not installed
20090217 14:25:52< AI0867> zookeeper: which guy?
20090217 14:26:15< zookeeper> AI0867, zenzei_ on #wesnoth (just glance at the logs from the past x hours...)
20090217 14:26:23< AI0867> I'll check the logs
20090217 14:27:00< loonycyborg> Hm.. lua50 doesn't work for me..
20090217 14:27:11< loonycyborg> cib0: Which lua version do you have?
20090217 14:27:23< cib0> well, i installed the package lua50, so.. :p
20090217 14:27:37< cib0> theres also lua40 and lua5.1 available here..
20090217 14:28:07< loonycyborg> I have dev-lang/lua-5.1.3
20090217 14:28:54< cib0> i wonder whether it matters
20090217 14:29:36< cib0> it's a bit weird that there is no "default" lua package for debian.. or maybe i just overlooked it
20090217 14:30:24< loonycyborg> That patch adds a lua check for autotools, and it looks for lua, not lua50.
20090217 14:31:57< Soliton> zookeeper: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=340065#p340065  seen this?
20090217 14:32:26< zookeeper> Soliton, yes, i'll see to it later
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20090217 14:36:23< cib0> maybe i should get a more up to date lua, cant build with lua50
20090217 14:36:46< loonycyborg> Yes. It requires lua51
20090217 14:36:50< AI0867> I have only lua40 and lua50 in my package manager
20090217 14:37:13< AI0867> oh, lua5.1 too
20090217 14:37:16< loonycyborg> (according to autotools check)
20090217 14:37:27< AI0867> annoying naming system
20090217 14:37:38< cib0> indeed
20090217 14:39:04< zookeeper> AI0867, so, uh, did you check the logs yet?
20090217 14:39:22< zookeeper> i'd like to get that done ASAP :)
20090217 14:41:58< loonycyborg> zookeeper: zenzei2 is present on this channel and consequenly is aware of your evil plan to make him banned :P
20090217 14:42:18< AI0867> zookeeper: I say ban him the next time he makes noise
20090217 14:42:19< zookeeper> loonycyborg, well, i didn't actually expect he'd make the connection to himself.
20090217 14:42:39< zookeeper> AI0867, oh well, that's fine.
20090217 14:43:09< AI0867> I *was* going to suggest banning zenzei2 from this channel, but I don't think you'd like that =P
20090217 14:43:55< cib0> http://pastebin.ca/1340023
20090217 14:44:50< cib0> does that mean 5.1 is still too old?
20090217 14:45:44< loonycyborg> I like the idea of feature that calls your mommy for consolation in case of bad luck :P
20090217 14:45:54< loonycyborg> It passes -llua5.1..
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20090217 14:47:51< loonycyborg> cib0: Try running "scons wesnoth" since it seems to fail when building the test.
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20090217 14:48:11-!- mode/#wesnoth-dev [+b zenzei2!*@*] by Ivanovic
20090217 14:48:11-!- zenzei2 was kicked from #wesnoth-dev by Ivanovic [killall users!]
20090217 14:48:34-!- mode/#wesnoth-dev [-o Ivanovic] by Ivanovic
20090217 14:49:59< Soliton> Ivanovic: forgot #wesnoth-de :-)
20090217 14:50:18< Ivanovic> yes, because i don't have the permissions there
20090217 14:50:26< Soliton> ah.
20090217 14:50:48< Soliton> btw, would be nice to give some more people ops at #wesnoth ... like zookeeper and me. :->
20090217 14:50:54< zookeeper> seconded ;)
20090217 14:51:05 * Ivanovic has no idea how to do so
20090217 14:51:22< Soliton> let's see.
20090217 14:52:08< Soliton> /msg ChanServ ACCESS #foo ADD bar OP
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20090217 14:59:36< Ivanovic> Soliton, zookeeper: you should have some extra permissions now on #wesnoth and #wesnoth-dev
20090217 14:59:55< Soliton> cool, thanks.
20090217 15:00:31< zookeeper> thanks. gotta read up on how to activate them sometime.
20090217 15:00:52< Soliton> /quote chanserv op #wesnoth
20090217 15:01:05< zookeeper> well, great.
20090217 15:14:21< Soliton> btw, i've setup awstats on wesnoth.org: http://www.wesnoth.org/cgi-bin/awstats.pl
20090217 15:15:06< cib0> i cant even seem to find the header for Lua::Kernel on the web
20090217 15:16:12< cib0> wait.. somehow, im lacking lua.hpp
20090217 15:16:37< loonycyborg> It fails for me too.
20090217 15:17:26< cib0> ah, it's under scripting/
20090217 15:18:57< cib0> where do you include sources in scons?
20090217 15:19:22< loonycyborg> Don't bother with includes. This is a linker error.
20090217 15:19:47< cib0> right
20090217 15:20:10< loonycyborg> And it definitely finds the lib.
20090217 15:20:23< loonycyborg> It just doesn't have those symbols.
20090217 15:21:35< cib0> it definately finds what lib?
20090217 15:21:52< cib0> the symbols are defined in wesnoth/src/scripting/lua.hpp
20090217 15:22:14< loonycyborg> lua5.1
20090217 15:23:52< loonycyborg> Ah! There are some added sourses too.
20090217 15:23:59< cib0> yep
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20090217 15:24:31< cib0> no idea why the compiler doesn't complain, though
20090217 15:27:36< loonycyborg> cib0: http://rafb.net/p/jt9JQ816.html <- that fixed it
20090217 15:28:48< cib0> loonycyborg, thanks
20090217 15:29:18< loonycyborg> It didn't cause a compiler error because it found the header.
20090217 15:30:01< loonycyborg> Linker errors happened because lua.cpp wasn't compiled.
20090217 15:31:20< Turuk> zookeeper, are we stuck with that clown in umc-dev?
20090217 15:31:46< zookeeper> Turuk, surely SM or AI can get ops there?
20090217 15:31:59< Turuk> Ah, two people who are not around, ok.
20090217 15:32:46< zookeeper> well, ignoring always works if he makes much noise there.
20090217 15:33:54< Turuk> Fair enough.  I'll poke the bear for now though
20090217 15:35:37< Turuk> Oh good, now he's claiming that he's not a troll but has been trolled on and so that is why he is the way he is.  :\ 
20090217 15:36:23< Soliton> story of his life.
20090217 15:38:34< cib0> sounds interesting
20090217 15:53:53< cib0> the tutorial with lua works just nicely
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20090217 16:31:21< CIA-70> zookeeper * r32876 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/07a_Into_The_Depths.cfg: Made M'Brin appear as a lvl3 lich on all difficulties (instead of as an ancient lich on hard).
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20090217 16:35:37< CIA-70> zookeeper * r32877 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/07a_Into_The_Depths.cfg: Dropped the turn limit from 60,50,45 to 50,45,40, since the scenario should be a lot easier now.
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20090217 16:46:46< cib0> owie, the multiplayer dialogue is messed
20090217 16:48:15< Ivanovic> which dialog, the one reachable from the main menu?
20090217 16:48:43< Ivanovic> or something when starting a game or whatever?
20090217 16:49:02< Ivanovic> (since "the multiplayer dialogue" is not really clear)
20090217 16:49:20< loonycyborg> cib0: Are you using the lates HEAD?
20090217 16:49:23< loonycyborg> *latest
20090217 16:49:44< loonycyborg> I get compile errors with it :)
20090217 16:50:14< cib0> the one reachable from the main menu
20090217 16:50:30< cib0> what does HEAD stand for? im using a pretty recent svn checkout
20090217 16:51:06< loonycyborg> HEAD is the latest revision.
20090217 16:51:40< cib0> i see
20090217 16:51:52< cib0> its a few hours old
20090217 16:52:08< Ivanovic> which language?
20090217 16:52:15< cib0> default
20090217 16:52:23< cib0> and it doesnt look messed up anymore for some reason
20090217 16:52:27< loonycyborg> cib0: Which gcc version you have?
20090217 16:53:02< cib0> loonycyborg, 4.3.2
20090217 16:53:28< cib0> interesting
20090217 16:53:48< cib0> it seems when i start the tutorial the font changes or something
20090217 16:54:01< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: head built nicely here
20090217 16:54:08< cib0> when i go to the main menu and hit multiplayer after that, its all messed up
20090217 16:54:22< Ivanovic> that is: using autotools build way without any changes in the checkout
20090217 16:54:40< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: You're using 4.3 too?
20090217 16:54:46< Ivanovic> jupp
20090217 16:54:56< Ivanovic> $ gcc --version
20090217 16:54:57< Ivanovic> gcc (Gentoo 4.3.3 p1.0, pie-10.1.5) 4.3.3
20090217 16:56:11< loonycyborg> Trying to cross-compile now. It didn't fail on actions.cpp.
20090217 16:56:38< loonycyborg> So apparently compiling with 4.1.2 is currently broken..
20090217 16:57:34< loonycyborg> (the cross-compiler is 4.3 while native is 4.1)
20090217 17:00:42< cjhopman_> loonycyborg: you have the compile error you pasted above?
20090217 17:00:51< loonycyborg> Yes.
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20090217 17:15:27< CIA-70> cjhopman * r32878 /trunk/src/unit_map.hpp: -possible fix for errors with some compilers
20090217 17:27:16< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: because of how Pango/Cairo works on OS X
20090217 17:27:27< Ivanovic> ugh, okay
20090217 17:27:48< Ivanovic> would be nice if it was possible to use the fonts shipped with the game though...
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20090217 17:34:11< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: indeed
20090217 17:34:54< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: so basically: PC (I'm gonna call Pango/Cairo that) uses system font services, which means to use a font, you actually have to install it so it's available to the whole system
20090217 17:35:27< loonycyborg> cjhopman_: Thanks. r32878 fixed those errors.
20090217 17:35:47< crimson_penguin> and it doesn't support lists of fonts, it just uses the first one, and it requires the name of the font, not the font file
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20090217 17:39:03< Ivanovic> off to pretend doing some sports, cu
20090217 17:40:47< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: break a leg :)
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20090217 17:43:10< loonycyborg> "break a leg Used to wish someone, such as an actor, success in a performance." <- www.thefreedictionary.com
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20090217 18:20:04< cib0> in germany, we also want them to break their neck =)
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20090217 18:44:10< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I've described the problem in that thread; http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24118&p=340151#p340151 - I'm not sure what we can do about it
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20090217 19:38:50< Mordante> hi
20090217 19:43:25< Soliton> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=340167#p340167  i guess we'll keep with wesnoth_1.6?
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20090217 19:49:38< Turuk> That distinction would be nice, it is useful being able to have the userdata separate
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20090217 20:10:06< ilor> Mordante: around?
20090217 20:20:07< Mordante> ilor yes
20090217 20:20:37< ilor> Mordante: is gui2 far along already to reimplement the filechooser in it (see editor -> open)
20090217 20:20:59< ilor> i.e. is there a nice listbox widget ;)
20090217 20:21:24< Mordante> I think yes only the minimap is broken, is on the easy coding page (like a file dialog ;-) )
20090217 20:21:49< Mordante> the listbox widget needs some work, but that needs to be done before 1.6 
20090217 20:22:19< ilor> I don't need a minimap or anything, just a listbox really
20090217 20:22:53< ilor> the current filebrowser is the source of at least two bugs and I'd much rather rewrite it in gui2 than try to hack ariund the existing code
20090217 20:22:56< Mordante> it works look at either the language or the server_list, I think the latter is better
20090217 20:23:23< CIA-70> mordante * r32879 /trunk/src/unit_map.hpp: Comment out some unused parameters.
20090217 20:23:25< Mordante> why not show a preview of the map, like the load dialog?
20090217 20:25:03< ilor> Mordante: it's not a *requirement* ;)
20090217 20:25:26< ilor> I'd much rather have a plain dialog that does not suddenly open the wrong map
20090217 20:25:34< Mordante> maybe then leave that part as an easy coding task
20090217 20:25:46< ilor> and allows changing drive letter on Windows etc
20090217 20:26:26< CIA-70> soliton * r32880 /branches/1.4/ (changelog src/server/input_stream.cpp): * create the fifo group accessible (instead of only user accessible)
20090217 20:26:30< Mordante> yes that would be nice to fix
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20090217 20:26:54< CIA-70> soliton * r32881 /trunk/ (changelog src/server/input_stream.cpp): * create the fifo group accessible (instead of only user accessible)
20090217 20:27:02< ilor> https://gna.org/bugs/?12711 is plain nasty though
20090217 20:27:48< Soliton> Rhonda: not sure how wesnothd is exactly run in the debian package but maybe r32881 is relevant to you.
20090217 20:28:15< Baufo> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24140 we haven't done anything that would cause saving/loading to be drastically slower than in a version "a few months" ago, haven't we?
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20090217 20:28:26< Baufo> otherwise I'll just lock this...
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20090217 20:30:14< Mordante> what a horrible report 
20090217 20:30:28< CIA-70> ilor * r32882 /trunk/src/unit_map.hpp: fix warnings in MSVC
20090217 20:31:17< Mordante> some saves can be big, but there's zero information in the repor
20090217 20:31:20< Mordante> report*
20090217 20:31:22< ilor> I feel much better about doing a one-line change in a header included everywhere knowing that someone else just commented out an unused parameter there. Thanks Mordante ;)
20090217 20:31:45< Mordante> and I just recompiled my checkouts :-(
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20090217 20:32:05< YogiHH> hello everyone
20090217 20:32:39< ilor> we really, really need to work on decoupling stuff
20090217 20:32:44< Mordante> hi YogiHH 
20090217 20:33:02 * YogiHH is with you on that, ilor
20090217 20:33:06< Mordante> yes we should try to decouple more stuff
20090217 20:33:43< YogiHH> anyone else getting weird crashes? For example when ending a mp scenario?
20090217 20:33:49< ilor> hmm. Multiplayer dialog fails for me, says password_widget is not defined
20090217 20:34:28< YogiHH> i got that on a local game
20090217 20:35:30< Mordante> Ivanovic nice to know I fixed a FR :-)
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20090217 20:40:01< Mordante> multiplayer dialog works for me
20090217 20:40:32< Ivanovic> re
20090217 20:40:40< ilor> doh. I was running the wrong binary
20090217 20:40:51< Mordante> hi Ivanovic 
20090217 20:41:08< Mordante> Ivanovic do you also ship the mo files in the tarball?
20090217 20:41:11< loonycyborg> YogiHH: I've heard of mp crashes on multicore systems that happened if wesnoth is compiled with mingw with sjlj exception handling.
20090217 20:41:39< Ivanovic> no, the tarball is po only
20090217 20:41:47< YogiHH> loonycyborg: i am on a multicore but with vc++ 2008
20090217 20:42:04< Mordante> ok so people need to make them on Windows themselves
20090217 20:44:23< Ivanovic> Mordante: jupp
20090217 20:45:21< Ivanovic> YogiHH: please have a look at the buglist for bugs that are assigned to you and make sure that they are a) still valid and b) that you might work on them
20090217 20:45:36< Ivanovic> and mark those you clearly won't do "at all" before 1.6 as "postponed"
20090217 20:45:41< YogiHH> Ivanovic: ack
20090217 20:46:05< Ivanovic> since i got the feeling (overall) that we got some duplicates and "already fixed" reports in the list
20090217 20:46:39< ilor> Ivanovic: when should I close a "wont-do" FR?
20090217 20:47:05< Ivanovic> (okay, the counter is already down from 73 on sunday when tagging to 59 now, but i think there is still some room for improvements)
20090217 20:47:11< Ivanovic> ilor: directly when marking "won't do"
20090217 20:47:28< ilor> or a week later if I forgot back then? ;)
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20090217 20:49:03< Shadow_Master> I didn't know that editing a photo was so difficult to do in Vista without GIMP or Photoshop.
20090217 20:49:21< Ivanovic> ilor: just close them and be done with it
20090217 20:49:25< Ivanovic> the same for invalid reports
20090217 20:49:37< Ivanovic> ask, preparing some lunch now...
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20090217 21:09:20< Shadow_Master> cd ../ svn mkdir trunk/Invasion_of_Arendia
20090217 21:09:31< Shadow_Master> uuh, I can't find my eyes :-o
20090217 21:11:25< AI0867> they're big, white and round, you can't miss them
20090217 21:11:36< AI0867> as long as your optical nerves are still attached that is =P
20090217 21:11:51< Shadow_Master> side effect of booting to Windows I think.
20090217 21:12:19< AI0867> your irc client was your only open terminal?
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20090217 21:15:08< Shadow_Master> more like I started it in the wrong terminal
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20090217 21:25:30< Shadow_Master> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=340030#p340030 what should I answer, besides "I've got nothing to do with that"?
20090217 21:26:29< Soliton> well, are there plans currently?
20090217 21:26:35< Mordante> Shadow_Master question 1 is do you want IftU to become mainline?
20090217 21:27:31< Shadow_Master> ESR_ encouraged me to make it mainline-quality, but of course it'll take me months to fill the gaps in the sprite artwork.
20090217 21:28:10< Shadow_Master> and, um, I'm not so sure I want to see it in mainline, for some reason I don't know.
20090217 21:28:25< loonycyborg> Mordante: If it's made mainline, we'll have to drop all other campaigns since there will be no time to maintain other campaigns :P
20090217 21:29:17< Mordante> loonycyborg true
20090217 21:29:44< Mordante> Shadow_Master well if you don't want it to be mainline the question is simple to answer
20090217 21:30:35< Shadow_Master> you see, I don't think any of the involved people (ESR_ and ESR_) have really considered the way IftU clashes with the story told by UtBS.
20090217 21:31:09< Mordante> I never played it so no idea
20090217 21:31:22< Soliton> the question is very simple to answer either way because *currently* there are no plans.
20090217 21:31:45< Mordante> also true
20090217 21:32:03< Shadow_Master> official ones, indeed. I'll leave that question for ESR_ to answer though, although I personally don't like that a single person is behind making plans here.
20090217 21:32:19< Shadow_Master> s/is/can be/
20090217 21:42:07< CIA-70> mordante * r32883 /trunk/src/gui/widgets/ (event_handler.cpp event_handler.hpp window.cpp): 
20090217 21:42:07< CIA-70> Evaluate the mouse focus upon showing and resizing.
20090217 21:42:07< CIA-70> When a dialog is shown or resized and the mouse pointer is above the
20090217 21:42:07< CIA-70> widget the engine didn't send and mouse enter event. This partly fixes
20090217 21:42:07< CIA-70> bug #12927.
20090217 21:42:22< CIA-70> mordante * r32884 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
20090217 21:42:22< CIA-70> Fix the mouse focus after a missed event.
20090217 21:42:22< CIA-70> When clicking fast on a button the engine might miss not have the proper
20090217 21:42:22< CIA-70> focus (the previous commit should fix that but it seems you can click
20090217 21:42:24< CIA-70> fast enough to get the mouse down event in the queue before the move
20090217 21:42:26< CIA-70> event). If that happens set the focus in the mouse down event. This
20090217 21:42:28< CIA-70> fixes bug #12927.
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20090217 22:17:14< Mordante> night
20090217 22:20:48< Shadow_Master> gn Mordante 
20090217 22:24:53< Ivanovic> Soliton: have you recompiled the mp server with the latest changes in the error messages?
20090217 22:24:56< Ivanovic> cf https://mail.gna.org/public/wesnoth-i18n/2009-02/msg00002.html
20090217 22:25:12< Ivanovic> if baufo was around, i would point him to this thread, too...
20090217 22:26:34< Soliton> non-ascii was never available.
20090217 22:27:04< Soliton> and the server just sends error codes now so it can't contain old strings...
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20090217 22:27:19< Soliton> well, it sends both, i think.
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20090217 22:27:46< Soliton> but that has to be a problem with not uptodate po files or something.
20090217 22:28:42< Ivanovic> most likely, yes
20090217 22:28:49< Soliton> well, it could have been that he tried when an old server version was running that did not send error codes.
20090217 22:28:58< Soliton> i'll check when i restarted.
20090217 22:29:01< CIA-70> ilor * r32885 /trunk/src/widgets/file_menu.cpp: possible fix for a confusing filechooser behavior bug
20090217 22:29:30< Ivanovic> thanks
20090217 22:29:34< ilor> I'd appreciate someone having a look at whether I broke anything with that fix
20090217 22:30:07< Ivanovic> ilor: the best way to check is to release, right?
20090217 22:30:17< ilor> Ivanovic: of course
20090217 22:30:20< Ivanovic> if many bug reports come in, we know that it is broken...
20090217 22:30:22< Ivanovic> ^^
20090217 22:30:28< ilor> it does seem to fix https://gna.org/bugs/?12711
20090217 22:30:55< Ivanovic> then ask the reporter to test with current svn (or in 1.5.11 where the fix will be in)
20090217 22:31:08< Soliton> ah yes, i actually did not update the 1.5 server only 1.5-prev.
20090217 22:31:26< Ivanovic> ha, found the problem with the message
20090217 22:32:14< ilor> Ivanovic: the report was fairly detailed and I could reproduce exactly, and now it works okay, I'm just not sure there aren't any, uh, side effects ;)
20090217 22:32:34< ilor> anyway, seems to work. so SHIP IT :D
20090217 22:32:52< Ivanovic> now that you probably fixed this one, have a look at https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13012
20090217 22:32:57 * Ivanovic hides
20090217 22:34:13< Ivanovic> afk for a while
20090217 22:34:16< ilor> Ivanovic: yeah saw that one, probably won't do it before 1.6
20090217 22:34:19< Soliton> Ivanovic: ok, server restarted.
20090217 22:34:39< Ivanovic> Soliton: could you write a short mail to wesnoth-i18n about this?
20090217 22:34:39< Soliton> Ivanovic: but the non-ascii thing can't be true really.
20090217 22:34:45< Ivanovic> i will allow the mail in
20090217 22:34:50< Ivanovic> yes, please explain this, too
20090217 22:34:55< Soliton> hrm, i'll see about that.
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20090217 22:35:27< ilor> Ivanovic: okay, it actually crashes, so probably needs a fix before 1.6 ;
20090217 22:35:40< Ivanovic> ilor: ahh, that's the spirit
20090217 22:35:59< ilor> the bug report didn't say anything about crashing :(
20090217 22:36:10< Ivanovic> see it as "bonus"
20090217 22:36:12< Ivanovic> ;)
20090217 22:36:24< ilor> I'll comment that I can't reproduce because it crashes and it's a invalid report then :P
20090217 22:36:39< Ivanovic> that's *not* the spirit
20090217 22:36:45< CIA-70> cjhopman * r32886 /trunk/src/ (unit_map.cpp unit_map.hpp): -revert unit_map to rev #32279 (no need for these changes pre 1.6, what was I thinking?)
20090217 22:36:56< Ivanovic> you should have asked "how much time do i have to fix it"
20090217 22:37:06< Ivanovic> i would answer "you got one hour before i release"
20090217 22:37:19< Ivanovic> then it is your turn with "hmm, i'll do it in 5mins!"
20090217 22:38:44< Shadow_Master> are we going to make 1.5.11 today?
20090217 22:39:47< noy> is noyga the person still maintaining EE?
20090217 22:40:08< CIA-70> ivanovic * r32887 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): updated German translation
20090217 22:40:13< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: no, because ilor and mordante are too slow...
20090217 22:40:15< Ivanovic> ;)
20090217 22:40:52< Shadow_Master> noy: he didn't do much for a time, but apparently he desires to go back to maintain it.
20090217 22:40:55< ilor> ha, crash fixed, now I only have the display issue mentioned in the original report
20090217 22:41:07< Shadow_Master> note that there's a BEEM ("Balanced" EE Mod.)
20090217 22:41:08< noy> Shadow_Master: whats the deal then?
20090217 22:41:20< Turuk> BEEM is a whole different animal :(
20090217 22:41:26< Ivanovic> ilor: 2mins left from the 5mins...
20090217 22:41:27< Ivanovic> ;)
20090217 22:41:38< noy> I've seen it... does it have different stats from regular EE?
20090217 22:41:56< Shadow_Master> different stats, and different units
20090217 22:42:05< Shadow_Master> that's what I've heard.
20090217 22:42:53< Turuk> The current author/maintainer/whatever of BEEM has the enthusiasm but not a good grasp of what it takes to balance the factions together
20090217 22:43:47< Shadow_Master> nice -n 20 scons -j 4 build=release
20090217 22:44:03< Shadow_Master> wrong terminal, nothing to see here.
20090217 22:44:27< Soliton> the amir has no melee marksman in BEEM for example.
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20090217 22:45:30< zookeeper> Mordante, btw, i notice that the new dialogs are much slower than the old ones. you could click through a series of old dialogs pretty quickly, but the new ones seem to have a much longer delay until they appear.
20090217 22:45:34< zookeeper> oh well, he seems to have left already.
20090217 22:46:04< Shadow_Master> also slower here.
20090217 22:46:48< Shadow_Master> perhaps some image caching is required, if it isn't done already.
20090217 22:47:34< ilor> +1 on the "slow" front. And I'm really not a fan of slow UIs.
20090217 22:48:35< YogiHH> Sirp, you there?
20090217 22:49:56< YogiHH> ilor?
20090217 22:50:09< ilor> YogiHH: I'm here
20090217 22:50:34< YogiHH> can you have a look at ai.cpp, ai_manager::reap_ais(), please?
20090217 22:51:00< ilor> ugh, not familiar with it, but I will
20090217 22:51:03< YogiHH> ilor: isn't modifying a collection while iterating through it a no,no?
20090217 22:52:47< ilor> it's a map so it is technically possible but I'm not sure if it's the right way
20090217 22:53:13< YogiHH> i am getting assert exceptions within the tree code
20090217 22:53:22< ilor> I'd say that after the erase itor is invalid and we're incrementing it
20090217 22:53:25< Turuk> Sidebar question: AI does ignore the use of backstab correct?
20090217 22:53:37< Soliton> it doesn't set it up, yes.
20090217 22:53:39< YogiHH> ilor: yeah, the increment is the problem indeed
20090217 22:53:42< ilor> YogiHH: try erase(itor++)
20090217 22:53:48< Soliton> but of course it uses the opportunity.
20090217 22:53:52< ilor> (and remove the increment from the for
20090217 22:54:16< ilor> else make a copy, increment itor, erase the copy or whatnot
20090217 22:54:28< Turuk> That's what I thought, thanks Soliton
20090217 22:55:31 * YogiHH tries
20090217 22:57:33< CIA-70> ilor * r32888 /trunk/src/editor2/editor_palettes.cpp: fix bug #13012 (terraing groups with empty spaces tooltip issues and crash)
20090217 22:57:38< ilor> Ivanovic: ^ :)
20090217 22:59:31< CIA-70> zookeeper * r32889 /trunk/data/campaigns/Sceptre_of_Fire/scenarios/4_Gathering_Materials.cfg: Fixed the story screen not showing up (thanks to teddy from the forums).
20090217 22:59:44< Shadow_Master> teddy
20090217 22:59:52< zookeeper> indeed
20090217 23:00:50< Sirp> YogiHH: did you still need something from me?
20090217 23:01:19< loonycyborg> Isn't it one of Russian translators?
20090217 23:01:32< YogiHH> Sirp: not at the moment, ilor helped me out already. I might need you later if what i am trying does not work ;-)
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20090217 23:02:38< loonycyborg> s/it/teddy :P
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20090217 23:02:54< Shadow_Master> what's the correct procedure for banning people btw? /mode #wesnoth-umc-dev +v <nick>!*@*  ?
20090217 23:03:06< Shadow_Master> er, that was for #wesnoth-mp, actually.
20090217 23:03:48< ilor> Shadow_Master: +b
20090217 23:04:04< ilor> Shadow_Master: +v is to voice people
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20090217 23:05:30< Shadow_Master> I didn't mean to write +v :-P
20090217 23:05:30< Shadow_Master> my only concern is the netmask, since that's what I've got wrong a dozen times
20090217 23:06:47< ilor> looks okay
20090217 23:07:34< Soliton> well, depends on the hostmask of the user. banning by nick can obviously be easily circumvented.
20090217 23:07:38< Sirp> YogiHH: okay. :)
20090217 23:07:57< Shadow_Master>  uh, zenzei2 is banned by nick
20090217 23:08:10< Shadow_Master> let's see how persistent he can be ;-)
20090217 23:08:14< ilor> he's gone, therefore it's enough.
20090217 23:08:18< Soliton> indeed.
20090217 23:08:23< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: Though he didn't bother to circumvent it..
20090217 23:08:40< loonycyborg> Perhaps he's just a troll who collects bans :)
20090217 23:08:40< Shadow_Master> he apparently tried to do that in #wesnoth-umc-dev tho
20090217 23:08:49< Soliton> Shadow_Master: /help ban gives you some idea.
20090217 23:09:29< Soliton> he actually could have been quite difficult to ban since he seemed to use some proxy service.
20090217 23:10:09< ilor> Soliton: ban said proxy service?
20090217 23:10:30< Shadow_Master> Freenode recommends to do service bans only temporarily though.
20090217 23:10:39< Soliton> quite difficult unless you have a list of all its IPs.
20090217 23:11:01< Soliton> it wasn't tor which is nicely cloaked by freenode.
20090217 23:11:04< loonycyborg> There are tons of those proxy services, and they're often assembled in huge proxy lists.
20090217 23:11:20< Soliton> and there are tons of those lists... ;-)
20090217 23:11:34< Shadow_Master> ugh.
20090217 23:12:52< Shadow_Master> crimson_penguin: by the way, what is your forum account?
20090217 23:13:18< CIA-70> jhinrichs * r32890 /trunk/src/ai.cpp: Fixes a crash at the end of a scenario that was caused by an invalid iterator.
20090217 23:13:53< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: He's Penguin on the forum AFAICT.
20090217 23:14:34< Shadow_Master> yes, I want to encourage him to ask Ivanovic or Turuk to set a proper forum title for him.
20090217 23:14:48< Turuk> I can do that now if you like
20090217 23:14:56< Shadow_Master> but first you'd need to know with certainty that that is his username. 
20090217 23:15:06< Turuk> Given his posts, I would assume so
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20090217 23:23:44< crimson_penguin> Shadow_Master: yeah, that's it
20090217 23:23:50< Shadow_Master> Turuk: ^
20090217 23:23:56< Shadow_Master> MacOS X Packager
20090217 23:24:02< Turuk> Got it, will do
20090217 23:24:14< crimson_penguin> :)
20090217 23:24:26< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: should he have access to the moderator's forum too?
20090217 23:24:38< Shadow_Master> Actually he should have the developer group membership, since he's also a resident coder.
20090217 23:24:47< Turuk> Yeah, I'll throw him in the red
20090217 23:25:36< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic is too lazy for this stuff nowadays eh? ;-)
20090217 23:26:18< Turuk> Hmm, red done, now for the title
20090217 23:27:34 * crimson_penguin has committed about 1 line of code per year since he's hung out here
20090217 23:27:50< Shadow_Master> and a complete non-trivial feature.
20090217 23:28:24< crimson_penguin> ...which one was that? Copy/paste?
20090217 23:29:04< Shadow_Master> "unit list"
20090217 23:29:11< crimson_penguin> oh, that's true
20090217 23:29:38 * crimson_penguin wasn't counting it since it wasn't C++ or even in svn/cvs
20090217 23:30:21< crimson_penguin> woohoo, thanks Turuk :)
20090217 23:30:28< Turuk> Not a problem :)
20090217 23:32:13< Soliton> can anyone reproduce this? http://gna.org/bugs/?13015
20090217 23:33:50< ilor> Soliton: I was trying but unsuccessfully
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20090217 23:34:18< ilor> Soliton: However I'm getting a strange unrelated crash when starting a game on the MP server ;)
20090217 23:34:36< Soliton> got a bt?
20090217 23:35:05< ilor> non-debug bts in msvc aren't very helpful, doing a debig build nowe
20090217 23:36:52< Smar> I’ll try again...
20090217 23:37:47< Smar> Soliton: did you try with real players?
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20090217 23:38:09< Smar> I think it is caused because that invalid command is sent to everyone
20090217 23:40:06< YogiHH> AI0867: ping
20090217 23:40:08< Soliton> i don't see how anything is sent.
20090217 23:40:38< Soliton> also network traffic sure doesn't cause UI lag.
20090217 23:40:45< zookeeper> my official suggestion: when the first RC is released, firstly let's wipe the add-on server to get rid of all the cruft there (that'd probably be done anyway). then, let's finally have strict basic rules that add-ons need to have a sensible description and a type.
20090217 23:41:13 * Turuk seconds zookeeper's official sounding suggestion.
20090217 23:41:23< Smar> well when you press enter, it echoes ”*ai* (null)0” and froze at networked game
20090217 23:41:28< zookeeper> if we don't have official add-on server rules anywhere yet, i can write them
20090217 23:41:39< Shadow_Master_> zookeeper: please, do.
20090217 23:41:50< Turuk> I do believe....
20090217 23:41:59< Shadow_Master_> don't forget to mention about using type= and a X.Y.Z version= format.
20090217 23:42:04< Turuk> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8514
20090217 23:42:11< Turuk> It could stand to be deleted/updated?
20090217 23:42:38< Soliton> Smar: well, just don't open the formula ai prompt...
20090217 23:42:40< zookeeper> oh, right. i looked in that forum but somehow missed it.
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20090217 23:43:21< Shadow_Master_> Soliton: is email= really useful for you in the internal info stored by campaignd? I implemented it only because Mordante's outline of server imrpovements mentioned it.
20090217 23:43:27< Smar> Soliton: it’s so damn middle of keyboard :<
20090217 23:43:37< Soliton> Smar: reassign the hotkey.
20090217 23:43:39< Smar> binded to f
20090217 23:43:57< Smar> well, it doesn’t change the fact there is a bug :)
20090217 23:44:08< Soliton> Shadow_Master_: having a way to contact addon authors is useful i think, sure.
20090217 23:44:15< zookeeper> well, i'll try to update that policy thread tomorrow.
20090217 23:44:19< Shadow_Master_> zookeeper: mention email= too then.
20090217 23:44:34< zookeeper> Shadow_Master_, i'll mention it as "nice to have", but not required, ok?
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20090217 23:44:43< Shadow_Master_> yeah
20090217 23:45:15< Soliton> is it a big deal to require it?
20090217 23:47:18< Shadow_Master_> require as in policy, or to make it mandatory in the code?
20090217 23:47:40< Soliton> well, both presumably.
20090217 23:48:07< Soliton> you could still use a fake address if it bothers you much.
20090217 23:48:17< Shadow_Master_> for the second you should find a coder willing to mess with that campaignd code which still gives me nightmares
20090217 23:49:03< Soliton> i'm quite sure it's trivial to add.
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20090217 23:51:06< YogiHH> night everyone
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20090217 23:52:13< ilor> here's the crash I've been getting: http://rafb.net/p/Rx4RaN94.html
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20090217 23:52:40< ilor> happens when I start Dark Forecast on the MP server with a comp player as the opponent
20090217 23:52:52< ilor> another one of the gui2 assertions
20090217 23:53:33< Shadow_Master> um... I'm not so sure of changing the campaignd rules at this point though.
20090217 23:53:38< CIA-70> jhinrichs * r32891 /trunk/src/playcampaign.cpp: Adding an assert to prevent wesnoth from segfaulting because of null-configs.
20090217 23:53:42< Ivanovic> i am off to bed, n8
20090217 23:54:28< Shadow_Master> ideally I would leave that for the 1.7.x refactoring / rewrite that I or someone else will do.
20090217 23:54:28< Shadow_Master> someone else. I won't have time to maintain and debug it probably.
20090217 23:54:34< Soliton> ilor: no crash here but the starting dialog looks messed up.
20090217 23:54:58< ilor> I'm getting the assert both on msvc and gcc (windows)
20090217 23:54:58< zookeeper> Soliton, meh, i don't like when an e-mail address is required when it's not strictly necessary for anything.
20090217 23:55:50< Soliton> zookeeper: yeah, alright.
20090217 23:56:08< ilor> Soliton: doesn;t crash when I increase the resolution
20090217 23:56:27< zookeeper> so far i haven't encountered a single case where i think it'd have been useful to have. if someone makes an obnoxious, broken or illegal add-on or whatever, we'll just delete it on sight anyway instead of mailing the author and having a nice polite discussion about it first.
20090217 23:56:43< Shadow_Master> but the fact is: if authors don't specify version= with numeric components separated by dots, users won't be able to use "Update Add-ons" for that particular content.
20090217 23:57:07< Shadow_Master> alternatively, the last numeric content may contain a suffix such as +svn or -svn, but that should be frowned upon.
20090217 23:57:14< zookeeper> i figured that feature would just work by boolean comparing the strings or something
20090217 23:57:14< Soliton> indeed. i remember that there used to be cases were we would have liked a way to contact the author.. but i don't remember specifics.
20090217 23:57:22< Shadow_Master> perhaps -beta2, but no +beta2
20090217 23:57:34< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: define boolean comparing?
20090217 23:57:48< Soliton> Shadow_Master: are you telling me the update function depends on the user supllied version string?
20090217 23:58:01< Shadow_Master> yes.
20090217 23:58:27< Soliton> and that makes sense because?
20090217 23:58:51 * Shadow_Master wonders why people don't raise these points early enough.
20090217 23:59:06< Shadow_Master> what would you use otherwise? timestamps?
20090217 23:59:11< Soliton> well, i would have assumed you'd use a similar method to the addon manager.
20090217 23:59:24< Soliton> the upload number.
20090217 23:59:39< Soliton> or timestamps sure.
20090217 23:59:45< Shadow_Master> python eh. I don't rely on the upload number after a sorry accident I had with my addon though.
20090217 23:59:54< Shadow_Master> I deleted it prior to uploading a new version for 1.4
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