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20090218 00:00:18< Shadow_Master> the downloads count was reset to zero. Surely the same happened to the upload and timestamp values
20090218 00:00:19< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, err, i meant just an equals comparison.
20090218 00:01:32< zookeeper> anyway, for all i care we could enforce a proper version numbering in the rules too.
20090218 00:02:04< Soliton> Shadow_Master: so *then* check the version string.
20090218 00:02:13< Soliton> that's what the addon manager does.
20090218 00:02:27< Shadow_Master> sure, to-do for 1.7.
20090218 00:02:29< Soliton> i'm not aware that it ever failed.
20090218 00:02:50< Shadow_Master> I probably won't be able to attend it though.
20090218 00:04:21< crimson_penguin> by the way, anyone have any suggestions for the font issue?
20090218 00:04:38< crimson_penguin> it should really be at least partially resolved before 1.6...
20090218 00:04:47< Soliton> in response to "* Shadow_Master wonders why people don't raise these points early enough." did you ever discuss it here?
20090218 00:05:41< Shadow_Master> I am sure that I did so, many months ago.
20090218 00:06:32< Shadow_Master> the feature has been floating around since 1.5.2+svn.
20090218 00:07:38< Soliton> well, possibly it was at a time i really didn't have time to read all of this channel.
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20090218 00:08:20< Soliton> still mysterious to me why you wouldn't build on already implemented and working algorithms.
20090218 00:08:40< Soliton> so what happens now when wesnoth doesn't like a version number?
20090218 00:09:16< Shadow_Master> it ignores the add-on.
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20090218 00:16:09< esr> Shadow_Master: I got my nick back
20090218 00:16:12< Soliton> what's the definition of a sane version number?
20090218 00:16:58< Shadow_Master> X.Y.Z[.V1[.V2[...]]][{+|-}textsuffix]
20090218 00:17:23< Shadow_Master> where X, Y, Z, V* are arbitrary numbers.
20090218 00:18:16< Soliton> Z is required?
20090218 00:18:44< Shadow_Master> I think not even Y is required, let me see.
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20090218 00:21:38< Shadow_Master> Soliton: only X is required actually
20090218 00:22:04< Shadow_Master> it is internally represented as X.0.0 though.
20090218 00:23:16< Soliton> what's that special suffix about?
20090218 00:23:51< Shadow_Master> someone suggested to me that I should support people who use notations such as 1.0-beta1
20090218 00:26:41< Sirp> why not just use an algorithm that finds all the numbers, treating everything that's not a number as a seperator, and then put the numbers into a vector<int> and then use the normal operator< comparison?
20090218 00:27:42< Shadow_Master> the part of the vector<int> is how it is done at the moment
20090218 00:27:53< Sirp> i.e. 1.0-beta1 -> 1,0,1
20090218 00:28:18< Sirp> if someone wants to also have 1.0.1 as a number then they should redo their versioning scehme. :p
20090218 00:29:53< Shadow_Master> to be honest I don't know what bad crap I had in my head when I coded this "feature". It'd be better if I just made certain campaignd config (such as addon upload and timestamps) presistent after removal.
20090218 00:31:08< Soliton> yes, though just falling back on a (simple) version comparison in case of re-uploads would be fine, too.
20090218 00:31:31< Soliton> it looks very complicated atm.
20090218 00:33:01< Soliton> the addon manager does just string comparisons as a fallback and that works fine.
20090218 00:33:03< loonycyborg> boost::spirit::qi::parse(version_string_iterators, int_ >> '.' >> int_ >> '.' >> int_ ...
20090218 00:34:01< Shadow_Master> esr: I need you to review a text diff by the way, a few files of it at least.
20090218 00:34:08< Shadow_Master> er, wrong channeeel...
20090218 00:37:19< Soliton> hmm..
20090218 00:40:13< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: name a thing Boost cannot do please.
20090218 00:40:45< Soliton> we should decide whether we want to enforce a strict versioning scheme like now (and then actually tell the user about it) or make it easy on the user and change the version comparison to what the addon manager does.
20090218 00:42:17< Soliton> i'm happy to provide the campaignd side of that.
20090218 00:42:34< dfranke> how about separate public and private version numbers?  Public is a freeform string, private is just an integer.
20090218 00:42:49< Soliton> that's what the upload number is.
20090218 00:43:07< dfranke> ah, right.
20090218 00:43:16< Shadow_Master> I personally can't stand add-ons with version "numbers" such as "alpha", "beta" or "gamma", but that's personal opinion.
20090218 00:43:22< Soliton> but it needs a fallback in case the server gets wiped or an addon otherwise re-uploaded.
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20090218 00:44:18< Soliton> well, it doesn't strictly need it since we could just download anyway in that case.
20090218 00:44:27< Soliton> but it'd be nice IMO.
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20090218 00:46:53< Soliton> the thing about enforced version numbers is that they don't help one bit in comparisons between different addons even if they might appear standardised.
20090218 00:47:35< Shadow_Master> what is that about comparing different add-ons?
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20090218 00:48:21< Soliton> like if you want to see all finished addons and hope all of them have a version above 1.0.
20090218 00:48:29< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: Boost doesn't include a cross-platform GUI toolkit. Yet :)
20090218 00:48:48< loonycyborg> https://svn.boost.org/trac/boost/browser/sandbox/guigl
20090218 00:48:57< Soliton> does the addon list ingame use the verion comparison when sorting by version, btw?
20090218 00:49:26< Shadow_Master> it probably does pure lexicographical comparison in that case
20090218 00:50:31 * Shadow_Master tries to remember why he didn't choose to use lex. comparison.
20090218 00:50:59 * ilor votes for a mandatory X.Y.Z system where X, Y and Z are numbers
20090218 00:51:20< Soliton> it'd fail on 0.9 vs 0.10
20090218 00:51:42< loonycyborg> lexicographical comparison doesn't work if some components are multi-digit..
20090218 00:51:48< Shadow_Master> ah... thanks.
20090218 00:52:56< Soliton> ilor: i think leaving Y and Z optional is fine. 3 version numbers is a bit overkill for a one man addon map pack or whatever.
20090218 00:53:38< ilor> Soliton: I meant that more in the "no extra stuff, 3 numbers max approach" way
20090218 00:53:53< Soliton> ah, ok.
20090218 00:54:01< ilor> trying to accomodate -beta1-fixed is IMO pointless
20090218 00:54:12< Shadow_Master> I was thinking "Linux" when I decided to allow for more components
20090218 00:54:16< Shadow_Master> (2.6.28.5)
20090218 00:54:37< Soliton> good comparison to an addon project. :->
20090218 00:54:46< ilor> Shadow_Master: Linux has the "problem" that the 2.6 part isn't gonna change anytime soon
20090218 00:54:47< dfranke> I don't think there are any add-ons approaching Linux in complexity :-)
20090218 00:54:54< Soliton> what about automatic git integration? :-P
20090218 00:55:20< loonycyborg> dfranke: I suggest you to look at IftU then :P
20090218 00:55:49< Shadow_Master> or svn
20090218 00:56:16< Shadow_Master> eh, the idea of writing a script that converts wesnoth-umc-dev tags into add-on uploads has crossed my mind many times alraedy.
20090218 00:56:21< dfranke> and even in Linux the four-part version number is recent.
20090218 00:56:36< Soliton> anyhow, if we want to stay with currently enforced version numbers i think it's important to give addon authors a hint when they use "not sane" version numbers
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20090218 00:57:32< Shadow_Master> I think there's a way to send errors to the client, right?
20090218 00:57:55< Soliton> sure.
20090218 00:57:55< dfranke> Let's have enforced Ubuntu-style version numbers :-)
20090218 00:57:57< Shadow_Master> even if they cannot be translated at the moment.
20090218 00:58:17< Soliton> but in this case i'd just put it in the ack after finishing the upload.
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20090218 00:58:51< Shadow_Master> e.g. it will be just a warning?
20090218 00:58:52< Soliton> well, unless we want to really enforce them but IMO that's not nice...
20090218 00:59:13< Shadow_Master> dfranke: "Era of Strife 9.40 Tyrannus Dumbo" ?
20090218 00:59:41< dfranke> Shadow_Master: Nefarious Necrophage.
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20090218 01:00:58< Soliton> Shadow_Master: is there a typ check function somewhere?
20090218 01:01:01< Soliton> type*
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20090218 01:02:13< Soliton> ah, get_addon_type and check for unknown.
20090218 01:02:36< Shadow_Master> anything that doesn't match the other type ids is "unknown"
20090218 01:02:40< Soliton> we should probably have a misc type or something for stuff that doesn't fit though.
20090218 01:03:01< Soliton> or i could just check that it's not empty.
20090218 01:03:43< Shadow_Master> um "media" -> ADDON_MEDIA. Ugh.
20090218 01:04:12< Shadow_Master> IMO if the add-on falls into the ADDON_UNKNOWN category, a simple warning should be used.
20090218 01:04:52< Soliton> i'll just reject empty types for now.
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20090218 01:05:03< Soliton> anything else that is mandatory?
20090218 01:06:08< Shadow_Master> author= , but I guess ti is already?
20090218 01:06:15< Soliton> nope.
20090218 01:06:28< Shadow_Master> it doesn't need to be in a particular format anyway.
20090218 01:07:13< Shadow_Master> <nitpick> if icon= contains units/, it should be ensured that ~RC() or ~TC() is used! </nitpick>
20090218 01:07:41< Soliton> i'll leave that check to you.
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20090218 02:21:38< CIA-70> soliton * r32892 /trunk/ (changelog src/campaign_server/campaign_server.cpp): 
20090218 02:21:38< CIA-70> * reject add-ons with an empty type
20090218 02:21:38< CIA-70> * give warning note when the add-on version is invalid
20090218 02:22:24< Shadow_Master> would you slap me with a svn/git diff if I suggested mentioning it in the players_changelog/RELEASE_NOTES? ^^
20090218 02:22:54< Soliton> no, sounds good.
20090218 02:23:32< Soliton> i'd like to see if there are more suggestions though.
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20090218 02:34:25< Shadow_Master> router crash, eh?
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20090218 02:53:34< Soliton> Ivanovic: sent the mail to wesnoth-i18n.
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20090218 03:03:15< CIA-70> jetryl * r32893 /trunk/data/core/ (15 files in 2 dirs): Added idle animation to HI and stripped blurry shadows.
20090218 03:04:41< shikadibot> I already lost track of what graphics have been updated.
20090218 03:05:11< Jetrel> wrt?
20090218 03:05:14< Shadow_Master> s/shikadibot/Shadow_Master/ . Wrong terminal as usual.
20090218 03:07:25< Soliton> git log data/core/images/
20090218 03:07:50< Shadow_Master> no.
20090218 03:07:51< Soliton> or maybe --author=jetryl
20090218 03:07:52< Shadow_Master> git log -p
20090218 03:08:24< Shadow_Master> it's ugly like hell, but it tells more than those commit messages.
20090218 03:09:16< Soliton> --summary then
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20090218 03:11:09< shikadibot> I wonder if git also makes coffee.
20090218 03:11:13< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r32894 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Update changelogs due to r32893, r32873, r32872.
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20090218 03:11:38< Shadow_Master> I should change my irssi theme to something non-default.
20090218 03:11:54< Shadow_Master> Jetrel: any other commits planned for tonight?
20090218 03:12:05< Jetrel> Depends on what I get done.
20090218 03:12:41< Jetrel> I just cracked open the scorpion, so probably that.  Maybe something else, but I just don't know yet what else I'm going to finish.
20090218 03:12:52< Shadow_Master> poor scorpion.
20090218 03:12:58< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r32895 /trunk/players_changelog: Expanded tabstops into spaces.
20090218 03:13:58< Shadow_Master> Jetrel: you know, atomicity and all... what about updating the changelogs whenever you commit these art updates? ;-)
20090218 03:14:24< Jetrel> Would be nice, eh?
20090218 03:16:18< Soliton> it might not be that hard to automate.
20090218 03:17:06< Soliton> though it'd probably need standardised commit messages.
20090218 03:17:30< Shadow_Master> sure, if either Gna allows us to add new hooks, or someone is willing to be monitoring the repository the whole night.
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20090218 03:18:16< Soliton> well, running a script once before the releas at least would be enough...
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20090218 03:23:17< Shadow_Master> OOM killer?
20090218 03:23:35< Shadow_Master> in what moment did I umount the swap?
20090218 03:31:31< Shadow_Master> wesbot: seen West
20090218 03:31:32< wesbot> Shadow_Master: Sorry, I don't know of West.
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20090218 04:36:23< CIA-70> jetryl * r32896 /trunk/data/core/images/portraits/ (ARTISTS monsters/transparent/scorpion.png): Added transparent version of scorpion portrait.
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20090218 04:52:59< Turuk> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=24149 ...what
20090218 04:54:06< Jetrel> I believe that deserves some amanfrommars
20090218 04:54:47< Turuk> Indeed
20090218 04:56:14< Jetrel> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=340315#p340315
20090218 04:56:16< Jetrel> :]
20090218 04:58:40< Turuk> You are only going to confuse him ;)
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20090218 05:03:39< Jetrel> Who me?  :D
20090218 05:08:00< Turuk> I know, perish the thought ;)
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20090218 05:48:12< Soliton> well, it's not a bad idea to remove intelligent from max level recruits.
20090218 05:48:49< voris> Why bother though?
20090218 05:49:12< voris> I mean is it hurting anything for it to be there?
20090218 05:50:02< Soliton> it does effect aoh to some extent.
20090218 05:55:34< Turuk> Soliton, how easy is it to affect that change/is it worth the effort?
20090218 05:57:33< Jetrel> I'd say, hands-down, it's not worth the effort.
20090218 05:58:05< Jetrel> the classic rule "Options are Bad" has a corollary - "Special Cases are Bad".
20090218 05:58:24< Jetrel> I'd avoid coding for them unless you have a very good reason.
20090218 05:58:33< Jetrel> Just my 2¢.
20090218 06:03:20< Soliton> yes, it's not particularly worth the effort.
20090218 06:04:45< Turuk> Ok.  I was not being sarcastic either, I just honestly do not know how easy/hard some tasks are to code compared to the result
20090218 06:05:15< Soliton> it's all wml.
20090218 06:05:26< Turuk> Ah, ok.
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20090218 09:55:04< Rhonda> Soliton: I'm not sure wether someone really uses the socket in the package.  %-)
20090218 09:56:04< Rhonda> Soliton: There is even a bugreport about that open from isaac-packaging times, never dared to investigate it further. But I feel brave to do some deeper analysis of my bugreports in the future.
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20090218 10:16:37< Ivanovic> moin
20090218 10:17:29< Ivanovic> Soliton: added you to the whitelist for wesnoth-i18n
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20090218 15:15:16< alink> hi
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20090218 15:40:48< Ivanovic> hi alink
20090218 15:41:04< alink> hello Ivanovic 
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20090218 16:13:37< Soliton> Rhonda: btw, maybe you could enable some spam protection on wesnoth.org? it's getting annoying to find messages from cron or so.
20090218 16:20:47< Rhonda> messages from cron aren't spam, hello?! :)
20090218 16:21:08< Rhonda> Maybe the cron jobs should be written in a way to only produce output when there is an error?
20090218 16:21:23< Soliton> oh, i thought you were joking.
20090218 16:21:44< Soliton> obviously i mean i get spam and have to filter it out to see the important messages from cron.
20090218 16:22:23< Soliton> just check your mail. you should have them as well i would think.
20090218 16:23:38< Rhonda> Oh, you mean To: abuse@w.o
20090218 16:36:09< Soliton> yep.
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20090218 19:18:41< zookeeper> yo kitty, the gryphon is really neat
20090218 19:18:54< kitty_> :) thanks!
20090218 19:20:00< boucman> hey all
20090218 19:21:51< Sirp> hi boucman, kitty 
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20090218 19:36:12< thespaceinvader> hey kitty_ =)
20090218 19:36:25< kitty_> hi thespaceinvader 
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20090218 19:42:04< boucman> kitty_: your new gryphon looks great..
20090218 19:42:13< kitty_> :)
20090218 19:43:32< boucman> I think I understand what mefisto meant, about anatomy, I'll try to explain with my own words
20090218 19:44:26< boucman> if you look at the point the wings are attached on the body, his right wing seems attached directly on the spine, whereas his left seems wing seems attached on the shoulder-blade of his left front paw...
20090218 19:44:32< boucman> not sure if that's more clear
20090218 19:44:35< CIA-70> thespaceinvader * r32897 /trunk/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Add and wire Kitty's Gryphon portrait, update changelogs, portrait credits.
20090218 19:44:42< boucman> :P
20090218 19:45:17< kitty_> hmm, a bit late :P but did you take his upper "arm" bone in consideration?
20090218 19:46:00< kitty_> thespaceinvader: thanks!
20090218 19:46:11< thespaceinvader> kitty_:  no worries
20090218 19:46:17< boucman> what do you mean ?
20090218 19:46:21< thespaceinvader> back to fiddling with the Water Snake...
20090218 19:46:37< boucman> thespaceinvader: I just replied about offset and anims
20090218 19:46:42< boucman> it's pretty easy to disable
20090218 19:46:53< thespaceinvader> boucman: saw it - thanks
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20090218 19:47:17< kitty_> boucman: i think his lower arm bone seems connected to the spine, but there is the upper one hidden behind his back
20090218 19:47:22< thespaceinvader> i've been fiddling with those settings - but as i mentioned in the thread, it causes issues with centre-ing
20090218 19:47:38< thespaceinvader> i'm trying to fix those by making the sprites the right sizes...
20090218 19:48:00< boucman> thespaceinvader: could you give me a screenshot ? 
20090218 19:48:12< boucman> if it's an engine bug, the engine should fix it
20090218 19:48:14< thespaceinvader> umm... not offhand
20090218 19:48:29< boucman> hmm
20090218 19:48:35< boucman> ok, I think i understand
20090218 19:48:48< boucman> you should use x= and y= parameters
20090218 19:48:58< boucman> probably directly in the [frame] blocks
20090218 19:49:05< thespaceinvader> boucman: tried that, but i can't figure out the amounts
20090218 19:49:20< boucman> it's expressed in "pixels at default zoom"
20090218 19:49:22< thespaceinvader> and the x= and y= params don't seem to flip when the attack is in the opposite direction
20090218 19:49:48< boucman> hmm
20090218 19:49:50< thespaceinvader> so getting it in the right place for attacking se makes it jump out into the wrong hex when attacking sw
20090218 19:50:00< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, what is it that you actually try to make the snake do?
20090218 19:50:15< boucman> you could always filter on attack direction, but the first thing to do is see if it's a bug or a feature...
20090218 19:50:31< zookeeper> (feature)
20090218 19:50:44< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: basically, to attack from its hex without the body of the unit moving at all - as the .gif animation does
20090218 19:50:52< zookeeper> (although an option to make it flip the directions would be useful, as always ;)
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20090218 19:51:16< zookeeper> thespaceinvader, well, just have offset=0 to prevent sliding and then just draw the frames?
20090218 19:51:42< boucman> zookeeper: if you do that without adjustment, the "center" of the frame won't move
20090218 19:51:43< thespaceinvader> yeah - the difficulty is getting the frames which are larger than 72x72 to centre
20090218 19:51:48< thespaceinvader> correctly
20090218 19:51:59< zookeeper> huh?
20090218 19:52:08< zookeeper> it...works
20090218 19:52:12< thespaceinvader> with offset=0, all frames centre the middle of their x and 6 on the centre of the hex
20090218 19:52:25< thespaceinvader> ... hold on, i'll sort a creenshot out
20090218 19:52:27< boucman> thespaceinvader: make larger frames :P
20090218 19:52:30< zookeeper> so what's the problem?
20090218 19:52:40< zookeeper> the images are centered on the hex.
20090218 19:52:43< thespaceinvader> boucman, that is the solution i'm going to use i think
20090218 19:52:47< thespaceinvader> zookeeper: no worries
20090218 19:52:50< boucman> actually that's probably be the easiest way, just draw on a 4x canvas so the center doesn't move
20090218 19:52:51< thespaceinvader> i'll try that
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20090218 19:53:08< thespaceinvader> boucman, zookeeper: i'll do that, thanks =)
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20090218 20:09:15< thespaceinvader> zookeeper, boucman: thanks =) that's got it sorted
20090218 20:09:35< thespaceinvader> now, to figure out the WML for direction-filtered attacks.  To the Wiki!
20090218 20:12:54< boucman> thespaceinvader: lots of example in mainline
20090218 20:13:10< boucman> IIRC direction=ne,nw etc
20090218 20:13:19< zookeeper> just write multiple [attack_anim] blocks, that's the simplest method
20090218 20:13:45< thespaceinvader> cool, thanks =)
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20090218 20:34:38< Shadow_Master_> this router has that freakin' awesome habit of disconnecting me after connecting after being disconnected.
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20090218 20:36:01< Mordante> hi
20090218 20:37:08< Mordante> zookeeper ilor Shadow_Master how much slower is the new GUI?
20090218 20:37:44< zookeeper> Mordante, hard to say...noticeably slower IMO
20090218 20:37:47< zookeeper> (i'm kind afk though)
20090218 20:38:03< Shadow_Master> ditto (both statements)
20090218 20:38:14< Mordante> ilor there is still this gui2 assertion left https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12940
20090218 20:38:43< Mordante> well I know I need to do a lot of preprocessor stuff since the formula language doesn't support custom formulas
20090218 20:38:50< Mordante> so that might be the cause
20090218 20:38:52< Ivanovic> hi Mordante
20090218 20:38:59< Shadow_Master> (er, zook's statements.)
20090218 20:39:01< Mordante> is it slower for both large and small dialogs?
20090218 20:39:07< Mordante> hi Ivanovic 
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20090218 20:39:51< Mordante> the bug count is moving in the right direction again :-)
20090218 20:40:06< Shadow_Master> small too
20090218 20:41:43< boucman> Mordante: could you have a look at 12997
20090218 20:42:03< boucman> not sure what it could be and/or if new gui could have something to do with it
20090218 20:42:32< Mordante> would be nice if you can look at data/gui/default/window/wml_message.cfg:94 and change the macro to a constant factor
20090218 20:42:43< Mordante> and test whether that fixes the slowness
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20090218 20:43:32< Mordante> Shadow_Master_ I left you a line which you might have missed
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20090218 20:43:49< Shadow_Master_> no, I'm away from the Internet Mordante . I cannot help you.
20090218 20:44:10< Mordante> no need to test it now, but I don't feel the dialogs are slow
20090218 20:44:46< Shadow_Master_> is it intended that a redraw is done between dialogs?
20090218 20:44:57< Mordante> dfranke regarding bug 12997 with game menu you mean the menu button
20090218 20:44:58< Shadow_Master_> e.g. dialog appears. dialog is dismissed, redraw. another dialog appears
20090218 20:45:07< Mordante> yes
20090218 20:45:20< Shadow_Master_> it tends to annoy me, for some reason.
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20090218 20:45:43< dfranke> Mordante: yes
20090218 20:46:09< boucman> escape works fine, trying the menus
20090218 20:46:43< boucman> they're not slow
20090218 20:46:52< boucman> theyre locked, it seem
20090218 20:47:00< boucman> that's totally different, and probably a feature
20090218 20:47:40< Shadow_Master> I was talking about character messages dialogs
20090218 20:47:46< Mordante> Shadow_Master game_events.cpp:3084 ;-)
20090218 20:47:58< Shadow_Master> apparently you don't play campaigns with lots of dialogs.
20090218 20:48:08< Shadow_Master> s/apparently/obviously
20090218 20:48:21< Mordante> boucman that's all old code not gui2
20090218 20:48:26< Mordante> Shadow_Master true
20090218 20:48:29< boucman> k
20090218 20:50:41< ilor> Mordante: ok good to know you know about the asserts in gui2
20090218 20:51:02< Mordante> well I hope yours is the same ;-)
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20090218 20:51:17< ilor> Mordante: and about gui2 slowness, it's a general feeling, I'll be available for testing in ~1 hour
20090218 20:52:00< Mordante> well I need to do a lot of duplicate calculations which might cause it
20090218 20:52:00 * Shadow_Master smashes head against laptop
20090218 20:52:21< Mordante> and no idea whether and if so how much slower pango is compared to SDL_TTF
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20090218 20:52:44< Mordante> Shadow_Master be careful the laptop might get damaged :-P
20090218 20:53:28 * Shadow_Master smashes head against a watermelon.
20090218 20:53:41< Mordante> Shadow_Master be careful the watermelon might get damaged :-P
20090218 20:54:03< Shadow_Master> who cares?
20090218 20:54:16 * Ivanovic volunteers to take a part of the damaged watermelon...
20090218 20:54:21< loonycyborg> Unless it's a rock painted like a watermelon :)
20090218 20:54:33 * Ivanovic does not take a part of the rock
20090218 20:55:00< Mordante> Ivanovic seems to care ;-)
20090218 20:55:05< Ivanovic> jupp
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20090218 20:55:46< Ivanovic> Mordante: i think crimson_penguin wanted to talk to you
20090218 20:55:57< crimson_penguin> I did?
20090218 20:55:59< Ivanovic> because of the font stuff with pango cairo, cf http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24118&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
20090218 20:56:11< crimson_penguin> oh, well I wanna talk to anyone with suggestions ;)
20090218 20:56:24< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: Mordante was the one adding the requirement
20090218 20:56:31< Ivanovic> maybe he has an idea how to handle this stuff
20090218 20:56:46< crimson_penguin> ok
20090218 20:57:32< Ivanovic> Mordante: this one is most likely for you: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13019
20090218 20:57:53< Ivanovic> zookeeper: valid or "works for me" in 1.5.10? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13022
20090218 20:58:43< Ivanovic> Mordante: interesting crash: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13018
20090218 20:59:35< Ivanovic> zookeeper: please have a look at this one, too https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13016
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20090218 21:06:10< Mordante> Ivanovic confirmed https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13019
20090218 21:06:20< Ivanovic> okay
20090218 21:08:13< Mordante> https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13018 assigned will look another time
20090218 21:08:59< Ivanovic> okay
20090218 21:09:05< Ivanovic> afk for a while
20090218 21:10:12< Mordante> crimson_penguin not really an idea :-(
20090218 21:10:42< crimson_penguin> Mordante: I'm using this in pango.aliases: DejaVuSans.ttf = "arial unicode ms,dejavu sans"
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20090218 21:11:53< Shadow_Master_> "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 264s! [kthreadd:2]"  ummmmmm...
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20090218 21:13:59< Shadow_Master> I suppose it means my life sucks.
20090218 21:18:34< Jetrel> zookeeper:  scorpion portrait is in.
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20090218 21:18:49< Jetrel> didn't wire it into the unit's WML though.
20090218 21:19:08< Shadow_Master> Mordante: /data/core/images/portraits/monsters/transparent/scorpion.png how do you make this be displayed at the right side?
20090218 21:19:27< Shadow_Master> Jetrel: it wouldn't be necessary exccept for the above statement
20090218 21:19:58< Mordante> crimson_penguin not really sure how to fix it :-( and I'm no mac expert
20090218 21:20:12< Shadow_Master> otherwise the engine searches for the ./transparent/<file> variant automatically and displays it at the left side automatically
20090218 21:20:19< Shadow_Master> which is not adequate for this particular picture.
20090218 21:20:46< Shadow_Master> Jetrel: um... it is different from the portrait on black.
20090218 21:20:57< Mordante> IIRC ~RIGHT but it should be documented on the wiki
20090218 21:20:59< Shadow_Master> in particular the eyes.
20090218 21:21:17< Shadow_Master> Mordante: please do under wiki/ImagePathFunctionsWML and note that it only works for portraits
20090218 21:21:33< Shadow_Master> *Function .
20090218 21:21:35< Jetrel> Shadow_Master:  This is the source that that picture originally came from.
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20090218 21:22:18< crimson_penguin> Mordante: probably have to look into how Pango and Cairo actually work on Mac more, or try mailing lists or something... maybe IRC
20090218 21:22:29 * crimson_penguin will brb
20090218 21:22:49< Shadow_Master> why the windows binary doesn't suffer from the same problem the macosx does?
20090218 21:24:11< Mordante> Shadow_Master not can't find the page :-/
20090218 21:25:00< Shadow_Master> Mordante: http://www.wesnoth.org/wiki/ImagePathFunctionWML
20090218 21:25:05< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r32898 /trunk/data/core/units/monsters/Giant_Scorpion.cfg: Make the Giant Scorpion portrait appear on the right side.
20090218 21:25:15< Shadow_Master> though I corrected it even above
20090218 21:25:17< Mordante> crimson_penguin might help, but I've no idea how the mac works
20090218 21:25:33< Shadow_Master> Jetrel: r32898
20090218 21:25:58< Jetrel> nice
20090218 21:28:50< Mordante> Shadow_Master IMO it fits better at it's current place so won't change it
20090218 21:29:03< zookeeper> Ivanovic, done
20090218 21:29:17< Shadow_Master> Mordante: where is it?
20090218 21:29:18< zookeeper> Jetrel, yay \o/
20090218 21:29:28< Mordante> unit define
20090218 21:29:39< Shadow_Master> Mordante: it has the format of a IPF
20090218 21:30:03< zookeeper> ok so why is the scorpion on the right side then?
20090218 21:30:09< Mordante> and is used at one special place and is ignored by the IPF
20090218 21:30:09< zookeeper> can't you just...flip it instead?
20090218 21:30:33< Mordante> it's about placing the unit on the right side not mirroring it
20090218 21:30:41< Shadow_Master> Mordante: I'll add it as a "fake image function"
20090218 21:30:43< zookeeper> we should be trying to not have portraits tied to any specific side, after all...
20090218 21:30:51< zookeeper> Mordante, well, why would it need to be on the right side?
20090218 21:31:28< Mordante> Shadow_Master please leave it at the unit define
20090218 21:31:35< Mordante> zookeeper ask the artists
20090218 21:31:50< zookeeper> that's what i thought i was doing :p
20090218 21:31:56< Shadow_Master> Mordante: ehm, if I am a newcomer and I spot an unknown IPF, I'll go to the IPF page.
20090218 21:32:06< Shadow_Master> and if I don't find it, I'll say "what the hell?!"
20090218 21:33:39< Mordante> if I'm a newcomer I've no clue about IPF
20090218 21:33:53< Shadow_Master> assume I already learned about ~FL(), ~RC() and friends.
20090218 21:34:14< Mordante> if I'm a newcomer and want a portrait at the right side and find no key in message a start to look at the unit 
20090218 21:34:36< Mordante> assumptions are the mother of all screwups ;-)
20090218 21:34:51< Mordante> zookeeper you don't want to see my art ;-)
20090218 21:34:56< Shadow_Master> I don't like to borrow syntax for completely different meanings
20090218 21:35:21< Mordante> it's documented as a hack :-|
20090218 21:35:25< zookeeper> Mordante, yes, that's why i wasn't originally asking you ;)
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20090218 21:35:40< Mordante> ok
20090218 21:35:43< Shadow_Master> omg ugly hack dave your developers are evil! ;-)
20090218 21:35:59< Mordante> it was either that or adding a new syntax just prior to 1.6 :-|
20090218 21:36:45< Shadow_Master> I hope it goes away in 1.7.x eh? ideally the ImagePath functor selector should warn on unknown functor ids.
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20090218 21:37:14< Shadow_Master> I didn't implement that only because I was already aware that there was a fake ImagePath functor in use elsewhere.
20090218 21:44:52< Mordante> night
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20090218 21:49:55< Rrenys> ... for some reason, that sounded like an Invisible Man intending to kill people
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20090218 21:57:33< Shadow_Master> I have just figured out why cycholka disappeared: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=105502 notice the post-count. Only devs or mods can see the real one.
20090218 21:58:23< grzywacz> Shadow_Master, …
20090218 21:58:26< Rrenys> "Only devs or mods can see the real one." ?
20090218 21:59:02< Shadow_Master> yup
20090218 21:59:08< Rrenys> its not 666 for devs or mods?
20090218 21:59:08< Shadow_Master> grzywacz,
20090218 21:59:10< grzywacz> did he disappear like mist in the morning?
20090218 21:59:13< grzywacz> oh :p
20090218 21:59:33< Shadow_Master> Rrenys: um, it is. I thought that the hidden posts were not considered in the post count for users.
20090218 21:59:49< Rrenys> they are
20090218 22:00:04< Rrenys> if you search for his posts, less come up, thats all i think
20090218 22:00:28< Shadow_Master> the coincidence is still astonishing!
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20090218 22:07:15< Rhonda> The checkbox for confirmed deletion of save games is always checked - which makes the dialoge unneeded at all if I always have to explicitly uncheck that box.
20090218 22:07:35< Rhonda> That gives the impression that it isn't really wanted that users have that dialogue.
20090218 22:07:59< Rhonda> ... and makes it inconvenient to the end for those people who want to have that safeguard. :/
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20090218 22:09:25< Soliton> hmm, indeed.
20090218 22:10:03< Soliton> clever ui design.
20090218 22:11:13< Rhonda> indeed ;)
20090218 22:11:44< Soliton> so basically we just have to change it to not be checked by default, right?
20090218 22:13:18< Shadow_Master> where's that checkbox?
20090218 22:14:27< Shadow_Master> um, if my memory isn't tricking me it'd be in "delete save". Apparently I disabled it too long ago
20090218 22:16:31< Rhonda> Soliton: Right.
20090218 22:17:09< Rhonda> Shadow_Master: You may have disabled it by accident, which isn't too unlikely.
20090218 22:17:12< CIA-70> soliton * r32899 /trunk/src/dialogs.cpp: don't check the "Don't ask me again!" box by default when deleting saves since that makes the whole dialog pointless otherwise
20090218 22:19:02 * Soliton . o O (where's the changelog entry!?)
20090218 22:19:33< Shadow_Master> under your desk ? :-P
20090218 22:19:41 * Soliton checks.
20090218 22:19:44< Soliton> nope.
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20090218 22:25:45< [Relic]> Hello :)
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20090218 22:49:59< Soliton> Ivanovic: how difficult is it for a translator to use another translation as basis for his own instead of the original language?
20090218 22:52:13< boucman> did anybody see the latest version of wesball (wesball tournament) 
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20090218 23:15:38< Shadow_Master> oh, I missed boucman.
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20090218 23:34:30< Shadow_Master> I have been hours wondering why my laptop was so sluggish
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20090218 23:35:11< Shadow_Master> turns out that kpowersave fails to set the Dynamic cpufreq governor if one of the CPU cores is disabled when I connect the power chord.
20090218 23:36:30< grzywacz> x_X
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20090218 23:41:52< difenil> there is something odd in the lobby of 1.5.10
20090218 23:41:59< difenil> it does not remove old games
20090218 23:42:21< Shadow_Master> sure that it isn't just that people haven't quit the games?
20090218 23:42:40< Shadow_Master> it was working fine last night
20090218 23:42:42< difenil> people of those games have quitted the lobby
20090218 23:43:02< difenil> if you reenter those games are not there
20090218 23:43:22< Shadow_Master> I see only one game ("Excelsior's game")
20090218 23:44:01< Shadow_Master> um...
20090218 23:44:33< difenil> how many do you see now_
20090218 23:45:04< Shadow_Master> three "palloco's game"
20090218 23:45:11< difenil> there is actually none
20090218 23:45:25< Shadow_Master> all with the same people omg.
20090218 23:46:00< grzywacz> O_o
20090218 23:46:18< Shadow_Master> it seems to be a client-side issue. Soliton ?
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