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20090224 00:02:44< Ivanovic> okay, looks really good so far
20090224 00:03:00< Ivanovic> now "only" uploading and then getting things to sf.net
20090224 00:04:22< alink> boucman: bugreport posted with some (useful i hope) additional debug info
20090224 00:04:29< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33066 /tags/1.5.11/: tagging 1.5.11-1.6beta3, using r33065
20090224 00:06:35< Turuk> Soliton, about Radamant.  He was half-joking and half-serious, and I thought about just moving the thread to off-topic as any posts to it in Ideas would just be noise.  But in off-topic it would garner the same, as few of the users realize the previous discussion on the matter
20090224 00:06:49< Turuk> So I just locked it, and sent him a PM to make serious ideas in the future
20090224 00:08:32< Ivanovic> esr: time for you to close bug reports and patches
20090224 00:08:46< esr> Ivanovic: Will do.
20090224 00:08:50< Ivanovic> thanks
20090224 00:09:03< Ivanovic> this time it is a lot to be closed for only 8 days
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20090224 00:12:16< esr> Ivanovic: Damn straight.  45 bugs are about to close.
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20090224 00:16:35< Ivanovic> wow!
20090224 00:16:36< dfranke> weee... wall of Gna messages in my inbox :-)
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20090224 00:17:51< Ivanovic> wesbot: topic
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20090224 00:18:39< Ivanovic> and in 15mins the tarball is at wesnoth.org, then another 2mins and it is at sf.net
20090224 00:18:50< Ivanovic> hi Sapient
20090224 00:18:52< Sapient> new version w00t
20090224 00:18:55< Sapient> hey there Ivanovic
20090224 00:20:01< dfranke> oooh... I just realized I didn't update the changelog for the python removal.
20090224 00:20:09< dfranke> Did someone put in something releated to that?
20090224 00:20:16< Ivanovic> dfranke: i added something in the normal logs
20090224 00:20:37< Ivanovic> dfranke: that is: please add something to RELEASE_NOTES that i can just copy&paste when writing the announcement in ~21h
20090224 00:20:38< dfranke> k
20090224 00:22:41< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: so you can celebrate
20090224 00:22:54< Ivanovic> the mac binary will be several MB smaller with the python dependency gone
20090224 00:23:02< crimson_penguin> :)
20090224 00:24:19< esr> Closing finished.  We now have 55 bugs, 4 of which are Security or Important, no Blockers.
20090224 00:24:56< dfranke> and there was much rejoicing.
20090224 00:25:25< esr> Nice work, everyone.  If we keep this up, 1.6 will be really fine.
20090224 00:30:22< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33067 /trunk/ (changelog configure.ac players_changelog src/wesconfig.h): post release version bump to 1.5.11+svn
20090224 00:32:07< Ivanovic> esr: we will at least keep a stack of ~30 bugs that are related to the old gui
20090224 00:32:25< Ivanovic> those will be fixed when mordante is completely done with his rewrite but not before
20090224 00:35:57< esr> Ivanovic: If we get down to only 30 postponed GUI bugs, I'll be blissfully happy.
20090224 00:36:25< Ivanovic> esr: how many are left when you do not count those assigned to mordante
20090224 00:36:30< Ivanovic> ?
20090224 00:36:37< esr> Looking...
20090224 00:39:16< esr> 21 bugs assigned to Mordante, 12 postponed.
20090224 00:39:39< Ivanovic> several of the "confirmed" are basically postponed, too
20090224 00:39:41< Ivanovic> ;)
20090224 00:40:13< Ivanovic> alink: there are severl bugs assigned to you
20090224 00:40:32< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/?12712
20090224 00:40:34< esr> 3, actually.
20090224 00:40:35< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/?12077
20090224 00:40:38< Ivanovic> https://gna.org/bugs/?11551
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20090224 00:40:45< Ivanovic> alink: please have a look at these three
20090224 00:40:58< alink> and 2 of them are somehow linked
20090224 00:41:49< Ivanovic> okay, release stuff is done for the moment and i should head off to bed now, n8
20090224 00:41:55< alink> i wanted to work on the mouse bug, but i need slow speed and keep finding bug with that (and searching + report to boucman) 
20090224 00:42:21< Ivanovic> okay
20090224 00:42:50< alink> note that i am one of the submiters and it's almost a FR :-p
20090224 00:43:31< Ivanovic> :)
20090224 00:44:16< alink> that is bug #11551 which is pre 1.0 and seems to never be reported
20090224 00:45:08< alink> until a comment in #12077, thus the link between these two
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20090224 00:46:44< alink> the problem is that fixing the remove of fog and shroud is easy, but then we need to deal with these new sighted event happening at new places in code, and that's more tricky
20090224 00:47:17< alink> i mean if we add support for these new event
20090224 00:47:43< alink> and if we don't, this add new bugs similar to 12077
20090224 00:48:51< alink> so it's a bit tricky, i need to think which part of the bug/FR is doable or postpone the whole thing
20090224 00:49:09< Ivanovic> sounds like a case of "postpone" to me
20090224 00:51:21< alink> to do it cleanly, yes. But i was hoping to find a way to move the code near a place where other sighted event already happen, thus possibly make the change safer
20090224 00:51:42< Ivanovic> esr: i think you created the macro reference extraction stuff, correct?
20090224 00:51:49< Ivanovic> then here is a request for you: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=24212&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
20090224 00:51:50< esr> Yes.
20090224 00:52:40< esr> I'll handle it.
20090224 00:52:52< Ivanovic> good
20090224 00:53:00< Ivanovic> and please don't forget the 1.6 announcement text
20090224 00:53:01< Ivanovic> ;)
20090224 00:53:05< Ivanovic> i am off to bed now, n8
20090224 00:53:25< alink> gn Ivanovic
20090224 00:53:26< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I may not get my package up tonight; should be able to tomorrow if not
20090224 00:53:30< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: goodnight
20090224 00:53:41< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: i will need about 20h from now on before i announce
20090224 00:53:49< crimson_penguin> ok
20090224 00:53:51< Ivanovic> i hope this is enough for you to generate and upload the package
20090224 00:55:11< esr> Ivanovic: TThere is already sych a notice in the boilerplate for the macro reference, near the top.
20090224 01:00:14< Ivanovic> then write this in the forum post
20090224 01:00:53< Ivanovic> that is, i don't see it in the generated code: http://www.wesnoth.org/macro-reference.xhtml
20090224 01:01:24< Ivanovic> add something "this reference always reflects the status of the latest dev release
20090224 01:01:28< Ivanovic> or something like this
20090224 01:02:10< Ivanovic> really off now, n8
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20090224 01:18:55< CIA-70> esr * r33068 /trunk/data/tools/helpheader.xhtml: Notice addition requested by Ivanovic.
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20090224 01:42:44< Sirp> yesterday we had the most 'direct traffic' (i.e. people coming to wesnoth directly not being referred by another site or a search engine) that we've ever had on wesnoth.org
20090224 01:43:45< Sapient> I guess that means the userbase is reaching a new peak?
20090224 01:44:23< Sirp> that's what I would take it as meaning
20090224 01:44:47< Sirp> and it seems that every time we get a big referral, as well as the initial spike, we retain some of the users who arrived on an ongoing basis.
20090224 01:46:40< Sirp> we've shown very strong growth since the beginning of December. I wonder if this is permanent, or a seasonal thing.
20090224 01:47:13< Sapient> and even some users who claim to have left because of the evil RNG keep showing up, even when we wish they would leave :P
20090224 01:47:44< dfranke> *snerk*
20090224 01:47:50< Sirp> hey, we show ads on our site and some of those ads are probably for games that have less randomness. :)
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20090224 01:51:04< Sapient> is it just me or has JW been making more and more a nuissance of himself lately?
20090224 01:53:02< loonycyborg> Wesnoth isn't much more random than other games. Its randomness is just more deadly :)
20090224 01:54:25< Turuk> Eh, JW is being channeled
20090224 01:54:52< Turuk> He would make himself a bigger nuisance if he would I think, but I've been absorbing some of it
20090224 01:55:11< Sapient> Well I almost hope he goes the whole way and gets himself banned
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20090224 01:55:40< Turuk> Has he done anything banworthy lately?
20090224 01:55:57< Turuk> He's an argumentative bas----, I know
20090224 01:56:34< Sapient> I did consider him a pretty good friend at one point but it's getting tiresome how he belittles people in OT and wherever luck is discussed
20090224 01:57:01< Turuk> True, but he's been 50/50 lately
20090224 01:57:09< Turuk> He's entirely entirely helpful and friendly
20090224 01:57:20< Turuk> *entirely -> either
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20090224 01:57:23< Sapient> apparently I'm the latest target and he will follow me around and snipe at whatever I post in OT now
20090224 01:57:34< Turuk> Yeah, well, we had a talk about that
20090224 01:57:48< Sapient> which I don't need to be wasting time in there anyways
20090224 01:57:54< Turuk> To be fair, you antagonize each other equally well ;)
20090224 01:58:18< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090224 01:58:24< Turuk> I think the previous friendship just means you two know exactly what to say to each other to push buttons
20090224 01:58:38< Sapient> I typically only antagonize those who have been antagonizing others ;)
20090224 01:58:49< Turuk> Fair enough, I was just saying :)  But I understand
20090224 02:00:05< Turuk> Most of his posts lately are going towards banter or neutral commenting, so hopefully they will stay that way
20090224 02:00:27< Turuk> As long as MC doesn't start another thread.....
20090224 02:04:04< Sapient> most likely I am just taking things too seriously. probably overdue another wesbreak ;)
20090224 02:04:21< Sapient> cya later, have fun.
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20090224 04:23:03< CIA-70> dave * r33069 /trunk/src/server/simple_wml.cpp: fixed DoS attack using z compressed WML on server
20090224 04:31:36< dfranke> sweet.  Another one bites the dust.
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20090224 05:19:40< dfranke> how often does CIA-70 update?  I pushed r33070 twenty minutes ago.
20090224 05:20:21 * Turuk kicks CIA-70
20090224 05:20:22< CIA-70> ow
20090224 05:25:34< dfranke> fine, guess I'll have to take over for the slacker bot.
20090224 05:26:02< dfranke> dfranke * r33070 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTS: Add a note about CVE-2009-0367 to RELEASE_NOTES.
20090224 05:26:16< dfranke> s/NOTS/NOTES/
20090224 05:26:20< dfranke> not a Freudian slip.
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20090224 06:51:32< CIA-70> dfranke * r33070 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: Add a note about CVE-2009-0367 to RELEASE_NOTES.
20090224 07:06:16 * dfranke prepares a Pythonectomy for 1.4
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20090224 07:53:53< CIA-70> dfranke * r33071 /branches/1.4/ (12 files in 5 dirs): Remove Python AI support, addressing CVE-2009-0367
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20090224 09:01:54< dfranke> Turuk: ping?
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20090224 11:14:47< Ivanovic> moin
20090224 11:32:07< CIA-70> dfranke * r33072 /trunk/RELEASE_NOTES: Reword release notes after Rhonda cleared me up about how CVEs work.
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20090224 11:34:06< CIA-70> dfranke * r33073 /branches/1.4/RELEASE_NOTES: Reword release notes after Rhonda cleared me up about how CVEs work (1.4 branch).
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20090224 11:37:40< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33074 /trunk/ (19 files in 18 dirs): updated Portuguese (Brazil) and Turkish translation
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20090224 14:03:57< esr> Ivanovic: Would you please point mre at Viliam's forum post on the release again?  I want to draft the announcement now.
20090224 14:04:28< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24159
20090224 14:05:56< esr> Thanks
20090224 14:09:09< esr> Ivanovic: Another question: gettext.wesnoth.otrg is showing 3 untranslated strings in en_GB.  How can I find them to translate them?
20090224 14:09:23< Ivanovic> esr: open them in poedit and they are shown at the top
20090224 14:09:37< Ivanovic> s/them/the po files with the missing strings
20090224 14:09:48< Ivanovic> http://www.wesnoth.org/gettext/index.lang.php?lang=en_GB&version=trunk
20090224 14:09:57< esr> How doi I tell which files have missing strings?
20090224 14:10:00< Ivanovic> there you can see it
20090224 14:10:17< Ivanovic> as in "the number in the column "fuzzy" and "untranslated" are not zero
20090224 14:10:27< esr> Ah, OK.
20090224 14:10:48< Ivanovic> just open those files (eg wesnoth-lib for en_GB means the file in po/wesnoth-lib/en_GB.po and so on)
20090224 14:14:15< Ivanovic> esr: btw, the python removal fixed another bugreport: https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?12638
20090224 14:14:37< CIA-70> esr * r33075 /trunk/po/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Update en_GB translation.
20090224 14:15:13< esr> Ivanovic: Marking it fixed now.
20090224 14:15:18< Ivanovic> wait
20090224 14:15:27< Ivanovic> i am commenting on it to explain why it is fixed
20090224 14:15:32< esr> Ooops...
20090224 14:15:37< Ivanovic> (and i will mark it "invalid" since it is now)
20090224 14:15:39< esr> Oh, I just did.
20090224 14:15:49< esr> Commentred, I mean.
20090224 14:16:11< esr> True, it should be marked Invalid.
20090224 14:16:12< Ivanovic> commented, "invalid" and closed
20090224 14:16:45< esr> OK, gonna go write the release announcement.
20090224 14:17:38< Ivanovic> great, thanks
20090224 14:24:59< Rhonda> Please give me a hilight when you do so. I am still working on the 1.4 packages and don't want to push the 1.5.11 earlier than needed.
20090224 14:25:07< Rhonda> ... send it out, that is.
20090224 14:32:09< Ivanovic> Rhonda: esr writes the 1.6 announcement
20090224 14:32:22< Ivanovic> Rhonda: i will probably announce 1.5.11 at about 21:00
20090224 14:32:31< Ivanovic> (here in europe that is)
20090224 14:33:01< Rhonda> Ah, alright.
20090224 14:47:51< esr> Ivanovic: Is this the general direction you want? http://rafb.net/p/OZP4dn87.html
20090224 14:48:24< esr> There's mnore to merge in from the player changelog, probably.
20090224 14:51:40< Ivanovic> i think ANL is new in mainline for 1.6
20090224 14:52:47< Ivanovic> and also mention that the editor can now be started right from the game
20090224 14:53:16< esr> Will do.
20090224 14:53:25< Ivanovic> beside this: this is exactly what i wanted to see
20090224 14:53:55< Ivanovic> and regarding balancing changes: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=341798#p341798
20090224 14:54:13< Ivanovic> so yeah, it would be good to at least list the most important ones, Soliton probably can help with this
20090224 14:54:40< Ivanovic> and, one of the most important changes for many users: addons now display a category in the download browser
20090224 14:56:03< Ivanovic> esr: but this is exactly the way i have imagined it
20090224 15:01:49< esr> Looking at that forum thread...
20090224 15:03:01< esr> OK, now I'm going through the player changelog...
20090224 15:04:39< Ivanovic> :)
20090224 15:04:42< Ivanovic> afk for a while
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20090224 15:11:02< Turuk> dfranke, you pinged me?
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20090224 15:15:02< Rhonda> Hmm. There is a wesnoth -f option. Is there a --no-fullscreen option, too?
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20090224 15:16:07 * Rhonda would like to have the reverse of --fullscreen. How?
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20090224 15:16:23< Rhonda> wesnoth stores the state internally, but the commandline only seems to allow to switch it on, not off?
20090224 15:17:01< CIA-70> esr * r33076 /trunk/players_changelog: Typo fix.
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20090224 15:42:43< Shadow_Master> Rhonda: yes, shadowm will do.
20090224 15:53:02< Rhonda> 20090224 15:15:20 error config: Could not open file data/ai/formula/...
20090224 15:53:11< Rhonda> I guess those are expected and can get ignored? :)
20090224 15:56:55< Shadow_Master> um... how to reproduce?
20090224 15:59:42< Rhonda> Using 1.5.11?
20090224 15:59:56< Rhonda> Oh.
20090224 16:00:06< Rhonda> I did even build it with --enable-python
20090224 16:00:13< Rhonda> Proapbly that part wasn't taken out.
20090224 16:01:08< Shadow_Master> um, formula AI doesn't have anything to do with Python.
20090224 16:01:48< Rhonda> Uh?
20090224 16:02:49< Rhonda> Oh. I stipped off the wrong directory
20090224 16:02:53< Rhonda> stripped even
20090224 16:03:30< Rhonda> In the 1.4 branch data/ais not installing is right though, right?
20090224 16:04:15< Shadow_Master> right, the 1.4 one only contains the deceased Python scripts
20090224 16:05:52< Rhonda> I was confused by the directory name and stopped installing it. %-/
20090224 16:07:26< Ivanovic> in the 1.5 tarball nothing python ai related is included anymore, so there you should not strip data/ of any ai stuff
20090224 16:07:35< Ivanovic> in 1.4 it is safe to get rid of data/ais
20090224 16:07:38< Rhonda> dpkg-source -b wesnoth-1.4.7; dpkg-source -x wesnoth_1.5.11-1.dsc
20090224 16:07:47< Rhonda> This stuff becomes work somehow.  %-/
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20090224 16:08:16< Rhonda> Ivanovic: Where were the ai stuff located in the 1.5.10 tarball?
20090224 16:08:38< Rhonda> ... just to check my install files for wether it's still in there somehow, want to get rid of cruft.
20090224 16:08:57< Shadow_Master> /data/ai/python : 'nuff said
20090224 16:09:01< Rhonda> And 1.5.11 won't need any --enable-python-install switch neither, right?
20090224 16:09:05< Shadow_Master> /data/ai/formula : the safe formula ai
20090224 16:09:12< Rhonda> Good.
20090224 16:09:27< Ivanovic> the enable-python-install switch is only for the toolkit stuff like wmllint
20090224 16:09:34< Ivanovic> this stuff is and was never used "ingame" before
20090224 16:09:47< Shadow_Master> but it is needed for wesnoth-tools :-)
20090224 16:09:49< Ivanovic> the tools installed there should be part of some wesnoth-tools package
20090224 16:11:04< Rhonda> Ah, so that should stay.
20090224 16:11:19< loonycyborg> [17:14:58] <Rhonda> Hmm. There is a wesnoth -f option. Is there a --no-fullscreen option, too?
20090224 16:11:25< loonycyborg> ./wesnoth -w
20090224 16:14:17< Rhonda> loonycyborg: Oh, cool. I suggest to add a hint to the other option in the manpage description.
20090224 16:14:31< Rhonda> Or put the two options next to each other.
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20090224 16:15:46< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: so you finally filed a group registration forum, eh?
20090224 16:16:21< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: jupp
20090224 16:16:27< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: you should read http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#squeakywheel
20090224 16:16:53< Shadow_Master> it isn't pretty.
20090224 16:16:55< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: group *contact*, not registration
20090224 16:17:26< Shadow_Master> I fail to see the difference. :-/
20090224 16:18:39< Shadow_Master> they exchange terms in that FAQ
20090224 16:18:52< Ivanovic> jupp, they do
20090224 16:19:00< Ivanovic> beside this, currently there is noone from the staff around
20090224 16:19:09< Ivanovic> [16:17:52] [249] p 0 staff members
20090224 16:19:11< Ivanovic> [16:17:52] [219] p End of /STATS report
20090224 16:19:16< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: that information is kind of outdated
20090224 16:19:25< Ivanovic> at least this is the result of /stats p
20090224 16:19:27< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: you are supposed to join #freenode and search for voiced people with the least idle time
20090224 16:19:35< Ivanovic> lovely...
20090224 16:23:04< loonycyborg> Hopefully that channel is not +m :P
20090224 16:23:33< Shadow_Master> no, it isn't. they use +v to identify staff from regular users
20090224 16:23:39< Ivanovic> [16:23:23] <backenfutter> Ivanovic: I filled out a form somwhen around last summer ;)
20090224 16:23:40< Ivanovic> [16:23:27] <Prodego> Ivanovic: it will take at least 2 months
20090224 16:23:47< Shadow_Master> as I use +v to identify bots from regulars at #wesnoth-umc-dev
20090224 16:24:16< Ivanovic> [16:24:01] <christel> Ivanovic: if you hold on for a few moments while i sort out another group i'll look at yours in a moment yeah ?
20090224 16:24:20< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: ah, but you called the attention of the head of the staff!
20090224 16:24:40< Shadow_Master> this is your lucky day ;-)
20090224 16:25:37< Ivanovic> looks like
20090224 16:26:34< Shadow_Master> by the way: I installed phpbb in my laptop and I have been having _fun_ with it.
20090224 16:27:14< Shadow_Master> already figured out how to add some stuff to the regular (non-prosilver) themes
20090224 16:27:28< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: I take it extra dots in version numbers issue is fixed considering that you used version 1.5.11-1*.*6beta3?
20090224 16:27:34< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: I fixed it
20090224 16:27:41< Shadow_Master> see the bug report.
20090224 16:27:56< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: Great!
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20090224 16:29:15< Shadow_Master> "As a side effect, version_info's are now "sane" even if they are built from strings such as "crapcrap" (it turns into 0.0.0crapcrap)."
20090224 16:30:22< Shadow_Master> which means version "Alpha" can be automatically updated to version "Beta" since "Alpha" is lexicographically lesser than "Beta" (right?). I'll tweak some other details later.
20090224 16:36:17< Rhonda> Shadow_Master: I'll do your account when I find the time for it. Sorry to not be able to do it right now, even though I have to admit it's hard to understand because it's nothing that requires a lot of time.
20090224 16:36:38< Ivanovic> okay, group registration is done
20090224 16:36:45< Ivanovic> who wants a cloak?
20090224 16:36:53< Shadow_Master> really? It always take me really long to setup my local users
20090224 16:37:00 * loonycyborg does
20090224 16:37:06< Shadow_Master> Rhonda: I won't be available until tomorrow though
20090224 16:37:32< Shadow_Master> (as in 24 hours later)
20090224 16:37:41 * Turuk wonders who is eligible
20090224 16:39:01< Shadow_Master> Turuk: I think that anyone closely involved with the project
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20090224 16:40:08< Shadow_Master> * qualifies
20090224 16:41:04< loonycyborg> What if a person involved in several projects? Which cloak he should have then? :)
20090224 16:41:38< Shadow_Master> the one he or she's more closely involved with I guess. They must be careful not to hurt anyone's feelings.
20090224 16:42:02< loonycyborg> Maybe you can stuff multiple projects in the cloak somehow..
20090224 16:42:05< Rhonda> loonycyborg: The one the person feels more happier with.
20090224 16:42:26< Rhonda> ... which technically propably would be a wesnoth cloak for me because the debian cloak has alfie attached to it  *shivers*
20090224 16:42:48< Shadow_Master> "... careful not to hurt anyone's feelings"
20090224 16:42:52< Rhonda> Uh?
20090224 16:43:03< Rhonda> What kind of bullshit statement is that?
20090224 16:43:15< Shadow_Master> a joke, of course -.-
20090224 16:43:16< Rhonda> Not hurting anyone's feelings? This is Free Software area, this is WAR!
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20090224 16:44:14< Ivanovic> Rhonda: short guess, you want to stay with the debian cloak?
20090224 16:44:43< Rhonda> Don't think so, no.
20090224 16:45:06< Rhonda> <Rhonda> ... which technically propably would be a wesnoth cloak for me because the debian cloak has alfie attached to it  *shivers*
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20090224 16:45:30< loonycyborg> Why alfie causes one to shiver? :)
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20090224 16:45:45< Ivanovic> AI0867, cjhopman_, crimson_penguin, Dragonking, elias, esr, freim, grzybacz, ilor, jorda, loonycyborg, Sapient, Shadow_Master, Sirp, Soliton, stikonas, zookeeper: ping me for a wesnoth cloak in irc
20090224 16:45:51< Ivanovic> i will forward this to the freenode staff
20090224 16:45:59< Dragonking> I ping you
20090224 16:46:00< Dragonking> :)
20090224 16:46:06< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: ping :P
20090224 16:46:24< ilor> Ivanovic: I ping thee
20090224 16:47:09-!- Turuk [n=Turuk@FUSE-WS1-208-102-202-188.fuse.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090224 16:47:32< Sapient> hail emporer
20090224 16:47:40< Ivanovic> Turuk: so you want a cloak, too?
20090224 16:48:23< esr> Ivanovic: I ping thee as well.
20090224 16:49:32< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: ping :)
20090224 16:49:51 * shikadibot feels rejected. Humans are a threat to the existence of us, bots. Humans must be stopped.
20090224 16:49:51< crimson_penguin> and thanks for the reminder - I need to make that binary!
20090224 16:50:05< Ivanovic> hmm, what about turuk, is he "staff" or what shall we give him?
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20090224 16:50:13< Ivanovic> and yeah, i will also give a cloak for the bots
20090224 16:50:47< loonycyborg> shikadibot already has a cloak :)
20090224 16:50:54< Shadow_Master> unaffiliated one.
20090224 16:51:12< crimson_penguin> EXTERMINATE
20090224 16:51:17< Ivanovic> general format: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloakformat
20090224 16:51:55< loonycyborg> Shadow_Master: Did you ask a staffer, or you can assign subcloaks yourself?
20090224 16:52:00< stikonas> Ivanovic: ping
20090224 16:52:31< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: generic unaffiliated cloaks must be assigned by a staff member, yes.
20090224 16:53:03< Shadow_Master> since you need to talk directly to the ircd IIRC
20090224 16:53:41< Ivanovic> dfranke: want a wesnoth cloak?
20090224 16:54:17 * loonycyborg was too shy to ask a staffer for unaffiliated cloak
20090224 16:54:37-!- nital_away is now known as nital
20090224 16:54:48< Shadow_Master> It's rather easy. ll I need to do was have grouped alternate nicks, ask and wait.
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20090224 16:56:02< nital> shadow_master, but what about these endings? after you got unaffiliated/shadowmaster, can you assign unaffiliated/shadowmaster/* ?
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20090224 16:56:17< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: does loonybot also need one?
20090224 16:56:25< Shadow_Master> the staff people assign the last component at random for unaffiliated cloaks
20090224 16:56:44< loonycyborg> Ivanovic: Naturally :)
20090224 16:56:45< Shadow_Master> thespaceinvader probably wants a group cloak as well?
20090224 16:56:46 * nital didn't get any
20090224 16:56:50< Ivanovic> ettin: so you want a cloak (since you seem around now)
20090224 16:57:01< thespaceinvader> awutnow?
20090224 16:57:14< Ivanovic> thespaceinvader: you want one, too?
20090224 16:57:19< thespaceinvader> one what?
20090224 16:57:26< Ivanovic> a wesnoth group cloak
20090224 16:57:35< Ivanovic> cf http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloakformat
20090224 16:57:56< thespaceinvader> sure, sounds like a good idea
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20090224 16:58:02< thespaceinvader> is there anything i need to do?
20090224 16:58:22< shikadibot> this starts to sound like an auction
20090224 16:58:27< Dragonking> Finish HTTT on hard. ;p
20090224 16:58:31< ettin> Ivanovic: OK
20090224 16:59:12< Ivanovic> ettin: and please don't forget the "list of commands for po4a work", i would really like to transform this stuff into a splain shellscript
20090224 16:59:12< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: "You can create a hierarchy of roles if you wish."
20090224 16:59:13< Ivanovic> ;)
20090224 16:59:20< Shadow_Master> so you probably can give thespaceinvader the "artist" hiearchy
20090224 16:59:38< zookeeper> Ivanovic, ping
20090224 16:59:38< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: our basic hierarchy will be developer / artist / translator / bot
20090224 16:59:49< thespaceinvader> that sounds good to me - it's not like a have much clue about anything else...
20090224 16:59:53< Ivanovic> no idea what about Turuk
20090224 17:00:06< Sapient> emporer / sith
20090224 17:00:18< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: staff ? (you probably would need that for yourself as well)
20090224 17:00:33< ettin> Ivanovic: I'm currently improving website/start/1.4/Makefile for the new release notes
20090224 17:00:38< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20090224 17:02:34< Sapient> later
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20090224 17:04:06 * crimson_penguin starts compiling
20090224 17:04:31< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: so, is Python removed for good, or what?
20090224 17:05:02< Ivanovic> for the moment it is from the binary
20090224 17:05:11< ettin> Ivanovic: not sure about parallelizing it though... why do you need it if you only run it once in a while? ;)
20090224 17:05:14< Ivanovic> that is at least for 1.6 there will be no python
20090224 17:05:44< Ivanovic> ettin: i want to parallize the manual creation because it takes *ages* even on my box and only one core is used, which is wasting resources
20090224 17:06:04< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: are you building the manual atm ? :-(
20090224 17:06:31< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: i am in general the guy doing it
20090224 17:07:09< ettin> Ivanovic: how long does it usually take?
20090224 17:07:14< Ivanovic> about 20mins
20090224 17:07:22< Ivanovic> where all the rest of the pot update just need <5mins
20090224 17:07:26< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: atm == right now?
20090224 17:07:44< Ivanovic> no, of course not right now, there were no changes that justify building it right now
20090224 17:07:53< Shadow_Master> good
20090224 17:08:13< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: what do you think I should do for a font for this release? note that, I think most Macs have come with a trial of MS Office for a while now, which would presumably install the font I used
20090224 17:08:28< Shadow_Master> damnit.
20090224 17:08:32< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: to be hones i got *no* idea
20090224 17:08:38< Shadow_Master> I lost the instructions for making the screenshots
20090224 17:08:48 * crimson_penguin will ask in #macosx for someone without Office
20090224 17:09:07< Shadow_Master> ahh, turns out I threw them to the most undesirable location of my home dir
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20090224 17:12:08< Ivanovic> okay, so far i got a start of the list and will continue (and submit) later when i come back from doing some sports
20090224 17:13:12< Ivanovic> that leaves AI0867, cjhopman_, dfranke, freim, grzybacz / grzywacz, Sirp, Soliton and Turuk with some time to ping me
20090224 17:13:41< Ivanovic> and when baufo, boucman, noyga or mordante join, tell them to ping me about this
20090224 17:14:39< Shadow_Master> the MP menu is unnecessarily wide, at least for the Spanish translation. um..
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20090224 17:15:00< Ivanovic> hi kitty_
20090224 17:15:05< kitty_> hi
20090224 17:15:08< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: a cloak for her too?
20090224 17:15:13< Ivanovic> kitty_: want a cloak with @wesnoth/artist/kitty ?
20090224 17:15:22< Shadow_Master> ah wait, she hasn't registered to freenode, has she?
20090224 17:15:38< Shadow_Master> nope.
20090224 17:15:51< kitty_> i need to register first?
20090224 17:16:13< Shadow_Master> yep
20090224 17:16:16< Ivanovic> no, kitty_ has not registered and the nickname is even registered on someone else
20090224 17:16:30< Ivanovic> though this is reasonably old by now: [17:15:51] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen  : Sep 08 14:34:32 2005 (3 years, 24 weeks, 2 days, 01:41:19 ago)
20090224 17:16:39< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: it can be dropped then
20090224 17:16:40< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: I've gone one person reporting that he didn't install Office, but does have the font - I think the one person who complained probably just has a weird font setup
20090224 17:17:00< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: specially now that we have a registered group
20090224 17:17:10< kitty_> i'll go without one, i've no time to take care of registering etc right now
20090224 17:17:25< crimson_penguin> hey kitty_ 
20090224 17:17:50< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: great
20090224 17:18:12< Ivanovic> kitty_: it is reasonable simple, let me help you a little by asking the freenode staff to remove the old one
20090224 17:18:34< kitty_> ok, thanks!
20090224 17:20:28< Ivanovic> kitty_: can you please /join #freenode and ask them
20090224 17:20:37< Ivanovic> [17:20:09] <mquin> Ivanovic: they'll need to come here and ask
20090224 17:20:51 * crimson_penguin has to rebuild all again, because of python being linked even though he thought he removed it
20090224 17:21:08< crimson_penguin> good thing it only takes ~8 minutes :D
20090224 17:21:20< Shadow_Master> wesnoth is taking over #freenode? ;-)
20090224 17:21:32< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: jupp
20090224 17:21:59< crimson_penguin> heh, I'm connected to a German server
20090224 17:22:41< elias> so everything you say will be recorded
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20090224 17:22:55< elias> well, it's anyway on irclog.wesnoth.org... :P
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20090224 17:23:53< Ivanovic> kitty_: since you are now setting up the stuff, i will add you in the cloaking list
20090224 17:25:31< Ivanovic> current list of cloaks i will request "later": http://pastebin.com/m1ccf0409
20090224 17:25:58< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: this Descent Into Darkness patch... is that just for 1.4?
20090224 17:26:17< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: Rhonda wanted a cloak as well, right?
20090224 17:26:26< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: it is already patched in 1.5.11
20090224 17:26:35< crimson_penguin> ah, good
20090224 17:26:38< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: there you got nothing to do, the patch i mentioned is for 1.4.x
20090224 17:26:43< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: so you should probably ad a 'packager' type as well
20090224 17:26:47< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: right
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20090224 17:26:55< Ivanovic> no, rhonda gets a pure developer tag, too
20090224 17:27:37< Ivanovic> okay, updated list: http://pastebin.com/d630b86d5
20090224 17:27:42< crimson_penguin> I kinda... deleted my 1.4 build environment, I think :-/ I was running seriously low on space (no longer an issue since I upgraded to a 500GB HD)
20090224 17:28:19< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: feel free to ignore the request
20090224 17:28:36< Ivanovic> especially since osx will have 1.6 versions once it is out
20090224 17:28:45< crimson_penguin> yeah, true
20090224 17:28:49< Ivanovic> this is not the case for "long term distributions" like eg debian stable
20090224 17:28:56< Shadow_Master> Smar is a translator too
20090224 17:29:02< Shadow_Master> ('lo Smar)
20090224 17:29:15< crimson_penguin> ah, right
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20090224 17:29:24< Smar> Shadow_Master: hiya..?
20090224 17:29:25< Ivanovic> Smar: want a @wesnoth/translator/smar cloak here in freenode?
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20090224 17:29:45< Smar> well, I don’t really need it 
20090224 17:29:50< crimson_penguin> oh, I do still have 1.4.7... I still might be lazy though
20090224 17:29:59< Ivanovic> Smar: okay
20090224 17:30:29< Ivanovic> kitty_: so registration is done and everything works?
20090224 17:30:44< kitty_> Ivanovic: yep
20090224 17:32:22< crimson_penguin> override rw-r--r--  root/staff for stamp-po? (y/n [n])
20090224 17:32:25 * crimson_penguin is confused
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20090224 17:33:12< crimson_penguin> I'm just doing make in po/
20090224 17:34:14 * crimson_penguin goes with no because he doesn't think it matters
20090224 17:35:39< crimson_penguin> oh, I bet it's because I did sudo last time I did it
20090224 17:36:34< Ivanovic> permissions are *lovely*...
20090224 17:36:36< Ivanovic> ;)
20090224 17:36:43< Ivanovic> okay, sent a mail to wesnoth-dev about cloaking available
20090224 17:37:51< thespaceinvader> hey kitty_ 
20090224 17:38:07< kitty_> hi thespaceinvader 
20090224 17:38:10< thespaceinvader> Ivanovic: do i need to do anything in order to facilitate this cloak?
20090224 17:38:12< Ivanovic> afk for a while, cu
20090224 17:38:24< Ivanovic> thespaceinvader: IIRC this is linked to the nickserv registration
20090224 17:38:30< Shadow_Master> thespaceinvader: no, just your username has to be registered (which you already have)
20090224 17:38:33< Ivanovic> that is: when you are logged in, you should have the cloak
20090224 17:39:07< thespaceinvader> kitty_: i'm about to post some new alternates (finally) for the gryphon rider, one which is my dwarf c+p'd onto your gryphon, another which is an alternative layout (again)for the gryphon itself
20090224 17:39:12< thespaceinvader> i'd appreciate your input
20090224 17:39:24< thespaceinvader> Ivanovic, Shadow_Master thanks =)
20090224 17:40:02< kitty_> thespaceinvader: and which one do you prefer?
20090224 17:40:27< thespaceinvader> kitty_: it's a heck of a lot less work to use your one...
20090224 17:40:40< thespaceinvader> obviously, i'd like to do my own, though...
20090224 17:41:12< kitty_> then let's see it! is it a sketch or rendered?
20090224 17:41:20< thespaceinvader> i think the perspectives and styles fit on yours fairly well though
20090224 17:41:26< thespaceinvader> oh, very much a skecth at this point
20090224 17:42:52< thespaceinvader> kitty_: posted
20090224 17:44:15< thespaceinvader> and edited to include the reference
20090224 17:45:03< kitty_> thespaceinvader: hmm, if i imagine where the dwarf's feet are, the lion's legs are looooooong...
20090224 17:45:25< thespaceinvader> it's easy enough to move one or the other in the frame
20090224 17:45:31< kitty_> and i think the neck could be longer
20090224 17:45:31< thespaceinvader> do you mean on my sketch?
20090224 17:45:47< kitty_> yep, on your sketch, do you see what i mean?
20090224 17:45:56< thespaceinvader> both easy to take care of at this stage =)
20090224 17:46:12< thespaceinvader> yeah, i do
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20090224 17:48:48< kitty_> generally i think your own version could turn out very interesting compositionally. i'm by far no wing expert, but while i like the sheltering position above the dwarf, it just looks strange (sorry, i can't be more specific)
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20090224 17:50:29< thespaceinvader> no worries
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20090224 17:50:47< thespaceinvader> i'll see about some reference for the wings - this is just a prelim at present
20090224 17:50:59< kitty_> i hate wings
20090224 17:51:45< thespaceinvader> but if you'd be OK with the combination of your gryphon and my dwarf, then i can keep it in mind as a backup if i'm not finished on my version before 1.6 is released - i'd like to have a frull complement of dwarves ready for then...
20090224 17:51:56< thespaceinvader> i hate wings also
20090224 17:52:16< kitty_> of course i'm ok with it, it's gpl...
20090224 17:52:33< thespaceinvader> it's one reason, i think, why i've been putting off some attaention to Girgi's drake portrait sketches
20090224 17:52:52< thespaceinvader> i mean from and artistic perspective - do the perspectives match well enough etc?
20090224 17:53:06< kitty_> yeah, the perspectives match well enough.
20090224 17:53:14< thespaceinvader> cool
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20090224 17:53:52< thespaceinvader> I'll ask you for a full-scale version if and when i need it =)
20090224 17:53:57< kitty_> and starting the drakes is also hard  because the bar picklide set for them is pretty high... 
20090224 17:54:03< thespaceinvader> yeah
20090224 17:54:31< thespaceinvader> girgi's sketches rock, but the rendering is quite daunting - all those scales and wings *shudder*
20090224 17:54:43< kitty_> ha ha
20090224 17:55:09< kitty_> but lots of details can hide other rendering issues...
20090224 17:58:55< thespaceinvader> yeah
20090224 17:59:27< thespaceinvader> i have some great reference material to work from in terms of draconic scales
20090224 17:59:40< thespaceinvader> but it's still a very daunting subject
20090224 18:00:44< kitty_> what kind of ref?
20090224 18:01:26< thespaceinvader> kitty_: http://ironshod.deviantart.com
20090224 18:01:30< thespaceinvader> that sort =)
20090224 18:01:42< thespaceinvader> she's brilliant at dragons
20090224 18:01:52< thespaceinvader> i think we may have had this coversation before o__O
20090224 18:01:59< kitty_> woha - nice! 
20090224 18:02:16< thespaceinvader> yeah
20090224 18:02:28< thespaceinvader> the sort of thing i aspire to in the long run
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20090224 18:02:38< thespaceinvader> but i need to learn to work with traditional media first...
20090224 18:02:55< Shadow_Master> Baufo: toic
20090224 18:02:57< Shadow_Master> *topic
20090224 18:03:24< kitty_> thespaceinvader: which kind of traditional media do you plan to work with?
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20090224 18:03:38< Baufo> Shadow_Master, you mean the cloak thing?
20090224 18:03:40< thespaceinvader> heck knows - it's a long long way in the future
20090224 18:03:49< kitty_> :)
20090224 18:04:01< Shadow_Master> Baufo: yup
20090224 18:04:15< thespaceinvader> at the moment, i can neither afford the time, money or space to work anything other than digitally, or maybe pen/paper
20090224 18:06:04< kitty_> sounds like watercolour. not too expensive and not too much space needed, there are nice plein aire sets, too
20090224 18:06:22< Baufo> well, Ivanovic, can I have a cloak please? :)
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20090224 18:11:44< Turuk> Ivanovic: ping
20090224 18:12:10< Rhonda> Oh! Fun!
20090224 18:12:24 * Rhonda still has a 1.2 branch of wesnoth to care care of!
20090224 18:12:29< Rhonda> %-(
20090224 18:12:56-!- Shadow_Master is now known as shadowmaster
20090224 18:13:44< Turuk> Ivanovic: When you come back, I would like a cloak, and whatever user hierarchy fits/works best is fine with me.
20090224 18:14:14< shadowmaster> forumsith apparently
20090224 18:15:03 * shadowmaster kicks shikadibot, only she can be behind the unregistered Shadow_Master
20090224 18:15:04 * shikadibot kicks shadowmaster
20090224 18:15:36< Baufo> Turuk, according to the mail Ivanovic sent to the ml you already got a cloak
20090224 18:15:54< Turuk> Ha, I am not partial to that so I did not know. Thanks Baufo :)
20090224 18:16:44< loonycyborg> No. It's shadowmaster behind that. He impersonated Shadow_Master and mislead freenode staff :P
20090224 18:18:00< Rhonda> python AI was in 1.2 already, right?  :/
20090224 18:18:47< Rhonda> Wait, no, I see it first mentioned in the changelog for 1.3.1
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20090224 18:21:25< ilor> hmm. I think there might be a memory leak in wesnoth when the configs are reloaded
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20090224 18:22:01< ilor> when I start the tutorial, quit, start a campaign, quit, start tutorial again, quit (repeat), the memory used increases quite steadily
20090224 18:23:49< Rhonda> ilor: Your commit was ugly indented, btw. :P
20090224 18:24:20< Rhonda> r32987 I mean
20090224 18:24:36< ilor> Rhonda: possibly, I never can quite grasp why every single editor has these tab settings called something else and working oh so slightly differently ;)
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20090224 18:26:18< Rhonda> So why don't you stick to an editor you feel comfortable with? :)
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20090224 18:28:03< ilor> that would be too easy now, would it? ;) besides, I think it was the same editor, namely msvc, only it had the default settings
20090224 18:28:14< ilor> ... somehow
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20090224 18:29:35< Shadow_Master> yay \o/
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20090224 18:33:32< Rhonda> GNANGNGNAGASAASSDÖFhesaf$tilt$
20090224 18:33:57 * Shadow_Master . O o
20090224 18:34:07< Shadow_Master> is that the hash of my password or what?
20090224 18:34:59< Rhonda> Yes. You will only be able to log in if you can decode it.
20090224 18:35:16< elias> i thought your cat jumped on the keyboard :)
20090224 18:35:22< Shadow_Master> so much for security :-(
20090224 18:38:04< Shadow_Master> > atkbd.c: Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying access hardware directly.
20090224 18:38:18< Shadow_Master> oh crap! ._.
20090224 18:38:42< Rhonda> elias: I just had found out that I need to build 1.5.11 ... _again_.  For the fourth time.  %-(
20090224 18:38:46< Rhonda> Because I again fumbled a part in it.
20090224 18:39:03< Rhonda> rm *.deb  #grmpf#
20090224 18:39:09< elias> hehe
20090224 18:39:33< Rhonda> And I need to do an upload for 1.4.4 and one for 1.4.7 and one for 1.2 ...
20090224 18:40:04< Rhonda> No, two for 1.4.4 and two for 1.4.7. Builds
20090224 18:40:21< Rhonda> So in a whole it's ... 6 builds   *diesthinkingofit*
20090224 18:40:53< loonycyborg> Source distros FTW :P
20090224 18:41:01< Shadow_Master> I should probably seek donating my other laptop
20090224 18:41:07 * Shadow_Master punches loonycyborg 
20090224 18:41:08< elias> How does building .debs work? Is there some kind of compile farm with all the supported systems?
20090224 18:41:34< elias> or you just build the AMD64 one and some automated process does the others?
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20090224 18:42:04< Rhonda> Shadow_Master: donate it here.
20090224 18:42:26< Rhonda> elias: I build it once on my own arch and there is a build daemon network that picks it up for the other archs, yes.
20090224 18:42:32< elias> loonycyborg: with source distros, each single user has to pull there hair... with Debian, only Rhonda has :)
20090224 18:43:07< Rhonda> elias: Well, with source distros, I _still_ would have to pull my hair because I wouldn't release a source that I haven't tested before.
20090224 18:43:17< loonycyborg> elias: Not really. Packagers still do as much testing as Debian does.
20090224 18:43:24< elias> heh, true
20090224 18:43:41< Rhonda> It's a blindfolded statement to say that a packager wouldn't build it with a sourcebased distro.
20090224 18:44:05< Rhonda> Some might. And some in Debian doesn't put as much effort into it as I do neither.
20090224 18:44:25< Rhonda> But then, I'm a perfectionist and I don't see a real need to change - unless I really want to avoid that heartstroke at 50
20090224 18:45:06 * Shadow_Master away until tomorrow
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20090224 18:45:32< Rhonda> Have been to some cabaret yesterday covering that topic, btw. Was extremely well. :)
20090224 18:47:42< Rhonda> The most down-to-the-point statement in it was: If you want to have an early heart attack there is an easy recipe for it: overworked and underfucked
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20090224 18:50:49< CIA-70> ilor * r33077 /trunk/src/network_worker.cpp: don't define NOMINMAX in win32 if it's already defined earlier because GCC complains
20090224 18:53:31< CIA-70> ilor * r33078 /trunk/src/terrain_translation.cpp: spaces -> tabs (inconsistency pointed out by Rhonda)
20090224 18:56:24< elias> heh, NOMINMAX, reminds me of another project we had to add that... I'll never understand why Microsoft added it given VC is a C++ compiler in the first place :P
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20090224 18:59:06< ilor> elias: NOMINMAX reminds me that you cannot rely on library code not messing up your stuff, especially if said library has "windows" in it's name... 
20090224 19:04:58< zookeeper> i can't connect to the add-on server from the game (trunk), i just get "remote host disconnected"
20090224 19:05:19< ilor> zookeeper: I confirm that
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20090224 19:08:35< Turuk> I do not have that problem?
20090224 19:09:00< Turuk> never mind, there it goes
20090224 19:10:41< dfranke> Turuk: I pinged you because I had a question but zookeeper already answered it.
20090224 19:11:28< Turuk> Ah ok, noted.
20090224 19:12:36< happygrue> Ivanovic: I would like to sign up for personal cloaking device.  I have always wanted one.
20090224 19:13:30< happygrue> how did you talk the Romulans into letting us use them?
20090224 19:14:15< dfranke> Ivanovic: eh, alright, I *guess* I'll have a cloak.  I like showing my IPv6 address though :-)
20090224 19:15:38< Soliton> trunk campaignd works fine here.
20090224 19:15:59< loonycyborg> I've just downloaded BEEM
20090224 19:16:10< loonycyborg> A temporary outage perhaps..
20090224 19:16:20< zookeeper> well i just downloaded stuff through the web interface fine
20090224 19:16:50< zookeeper> i just can't connect from the game
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20090224 19:24:08< crimson_penguin> assuming my internet doesn't go down again, the Mac binary will be up around 4PM EST
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20090224 19:27:43< CIA-70> ilor * r33079 /trunk/src/config.cpp: rewrite config::clear in an iterative fashion to avoid a crash on very large invalid wml data
20090224 19:28:25 * ilor would appreciate someone going over r33079, it's a fairly important bit of code that would better be reviewed
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20090224 19:40:55< Mordante> hi
20090224 19:41:15< Sapient> yo
20090224 19:41:20< Turuk> helllllooo
20090224 19:41:23< Mordante> hi Sapient 
20090224 19:41:28< Mordante> hi Turuk 
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20090224 19:42:05< CIA-70> zookeeper * r33080 /trunk/data/campaigns/The_South_Guard/scenarios/07a_Into_The_Depths.cfg: Fixed the bomb not activating if the player has happened to step on the hex before paying the trolls.
20090224 19:42:15< ilor> Mordante: ping Ivanovic if you want a wesnoth hostname cloak on freenode
20090224 19:42:55< Mordante> I'll do I just read in the logs he started to distribute them, thanks 
20090224 19:45:27< Mordante> Shadow_Master does this ring a bell? https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13053
20090224 19:45:29 * Turuk wonders if his is working or not
20090224 19:46:18< Mordante> Turuk nope you're without your cloak
20090224 19:46:28< Turuk> how do I get it to work properly?
20090224 19:46:37< Mordante> put it on ;-)
20090224 19:46:59< Soliton> i don't think any are registered yet. Ivanovic is probably making a big list to give to staff first.
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20090224 19:49:25< Turuk> Cute Mordante and cute
20090224 19:49:45< Turuk> Ah ok, thanks Soliton, I was not around for the detailed debate over how it was getting done
20090224 19:49:57 * Mordante neither
20090224 19:50:12< grzywacz> evening
20090224 19:50:16< happygrue> Turuk: I can still see you, so it's not working ;)
20090224 19:50:24< Mordante> hi grzywacz 
20090224 19:50:25< esr> Soliton: Ivanovic suggested I ask you for a summary of the most important unit-blancing changes to put in the 1.6 announcement I'm writing.
20090224 19:50:27< grzywacz> hey Mordante 
20090224 19:50:28 * Turuk hides from the grue!
20090224 19:50:46< Mordante> happygrue cool so we get a cloak of invisibility :-)
20090224 19:51:15 * Sapient eats a piece of lembas
20090224 19:51:26 * happygrue thinks nightstalk would be better...
20090224 19:51:33< happygrue> hehe
20090224 19:56:03< Soliton> esr: no important changes really. mostly little tweaks to all kinds of units.
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20090224 19:59:32< happygrue> esr: Soliton the change to loyalist archers and removing Necrophage  from the random leader list will be on interest to at least some players I think
20090224 19:59:41< happygrue> and gobos
20090224 20:00:14< esr> Soliton: If there's no big thing that belongs in the announcement, it's done.  That was the last issue.
20090224 20:00:59< happygrue> erm not big enough to be in an annoucemnet, sorry was thinking about players changelog...
20090224 20:03:05< noy>  happygrue those are old changes
20090224 20:03:12< noy> ah wait
20090224 20:03:16< happygrue> this is for 1.6 though
20090224 20:03:19< noy> its the 1.6 announcement
20090224 20:03:25< happygrue> :)
20090224 20:03:32< noy> there are alot of them
20090224 20:03:36< happygrue> but still nothing that shold go in an "annoucement" I guess
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20090224 20:04:39< esr> Here's my current draft: http://rafb.net/p/DVslkQ47.html
20090224 20:05:03< [Relic]> Hello :)
20090224 20:05:43< Soliton> well, you can add a sentence that the unit balance has been further refined i guess.
20090224 20:06:21< Soliton> but it's just a lot of little tweask nothing that stands out.
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20090224 20:06:43< VladimirSlavik> hi
20090224 20:06:56< Mordante> hi VladimirSlavik 
20090224 20:07:00< ilor> esr: typo, line34, srarted/started
20090224 20:07:09< ilor> 35 sorry
20090224 20:07:27< noy> line 10... spiked mace? 
20090224 20:07:38< esr> Got it, and the one following.
20090224 20:08:07< esr> noy: It was in the notes Ivanovic handed me.
20090224 20:08:09< ilor> esr: also the filebrowser was in 1.4 too and it's a badly broken steaming piece of the brow stuff, so I wouldn't advertise it very much :)
20090224 20:08:22< ilor> *brown
20090224 20:08:33< esr> Well, *fix* it!
20090224 20:08:38< esr> :-)
20090224 20:09:04< ilor> esr: I did fix some major issues with it but it's still broken
20090224 20:09:22< ilor> and will be until I get round to writing a gui2 replacement
20090224 20:09:37< noy> I don't think it needs to be said.... its either an art frame or a unit's weapon. 
20090224 20:11:17< Mordante> Soliton can it be that the md5 sum of the git-tarball is out of date?
20090224 20:12:27< Mordante> Ivanovic ping
20090224 20:13:06< Soliton> Mordante: definately.
20090224 20:13:27< Soliton> can't even remember i made such a thing.
20090224 20:13:36< Mordante> could you put up and up to date md5 sum? I already downloaded the tarball
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20090224 20:15:52< Soliton> Mordante: updated.
20090224 20:15:59< Mordante> thanks
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20090224 20:18:10< Soliton> i think i'll put the stuff under git/ so you don't have to fish in the dark so much. :-)
20090224 20:22:21< Mordante> I should just learn to type ;-)
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20090224 20:28:19< YogiHH> Ivanovic: hi, i am not sure if i got your mail right. Does it mean we can get IRC nicks that match our project names?
20090224 20:28:50< Soliton> the nicks don't change but the host mask.
20090224 20:29:31< Soliton> like "i=YogiHH@d157063.adsl.hansenet.de" -> "i=YogiHH@wesnoth/developer/yogi"
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20090224 20:30:02< YogiHH> ah, i see
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20090224 20:33:04< Noyga> it's a nice idea, cloaks for Mardi gras (today) :)
20090224 20:36:33< Ivanovic> Noyga, noy, YogiHH, Sirp, Mordante: so want cloaks?
20090224 20:36:57< Mordante> yes I just said so ;-)
20090224 20:37:16< Noyga> why not, but me don't really care
20090224 20:38:11< YogiHH> Ivanovic, yes, please
20090224 20:38:58< Mordante> esr we have several new terrains for 1.6
20090224 20:39:34< Mordante> nevermind I see the forests later in the notes
20090224 20:41:00< Ivanovic> YogiHH: what should the cloak be for you, since you switch names like crazy
20090224 20:41:17< Ivanovic> that is your gna name is jhinrichs, sometimes you are just yogi, sometimes yogihh
20090224 20:41:17< Mordante> esr line 35 dfrom -> from
20090224 20:41:36< esr> Mordante: Already fixed.
20090224 20:41:41< Mordante> ok
20090224 20:42:00< Ivanovic> happygrue: uhm, what was your main task?
20090224 20:42:05< Ivanovic> were you developer or translator?
20090224 20:42:26< Mordante> esr 55 translationns -> translations
20090224 20:42:29< Ivanovic> Noyga: "don't care" is yes or no?
20090224 20:44:19< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: 1:30 or so until it's done
20090224 20:44:26< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: great
20090224 20:44:34< crimson_penguin> but I'm about to go next door to to play music
20090224 20:44:35< Mordante> afk
20090224 20:44:55< crimson_penguin> when are you thinking of announcing?
20090224 20:45:05< crimson_penguin> I can try to come back around when it'll be done, to add it
20090224 20:45:07< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: soon, after i had some lunch
20090224 20:45:23< crimson_penguin> am I gonna miss the deadline anyway then?
20090224 20:45:34< crimson_penguin> wait... lunch at ~7:45?
20090224 20:46:02< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: would've been done earlier, but my internet went down for a while...
20090224 20:46:07< Noyga> Ivanovic, yes please (and my username is noyga everywhere)
20090224 20:46:11< crimson_penguin> anyway, I'll try to come back over when it's done
20090224 20:46:24< stikonas> esr: 30 portaits -> portraits
20090224 20:46:36< stikonas> sorry, already fixed
20090224 20:47:47< YogiHH> Ivanovic: yogihh, please. Btw, it wasn't my idea to switch names (except for gna), it was rather that they had been blocked already ;-)
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20090224 20:48:11< esr> New announcement version with typo fixes: http://rafb.net/p/PrfZU811.html
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20090224 20:52:51< VladimirSlavik> esr: from within the game now.  You now can toggle overlay --- aren't the two nows to close?
20090224 20:54:30< Ivanovic> VladimirSlavik: want a wesnoth cloak?
20090224 20:55:10< VladimirSlavik> Ivanovic: rather a t-shirt ;) No, seriously, what for?
20090224 20:55:40< Ivanovic> instead of n=chatzill@88.103.147.178 you will then be shown as n=chatzill@wesnoth/translator/VladimirSlavik
20090224 20:55:53< VladimirSlavik> well then why not?
20090224 20:55:57< Ivanovic> basically a) hiding your address and b) showing that you are part of wesnoth
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20090224 20:57:15< Ivanovic> Soliton: you wanted a cloak or not?
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20090224 20:57:37< Ivanovic> grzywacz: what about you?
20090224 20:57:50< Ivanovic> or will you stay with moinmoin?
20090224 20:57:58-!- Soliton [n=Soliton@rzdspc10.informatik.uni-hamburg.de] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090224 20:58:02< Ivanovic> or do you want one for grzybacz
20090224 20:58:09< Ivanovic> Soliton: wb, want a cloak?
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20090224 20:58:23< YogiHH> AI0867, AI0867_: the two python AI's, did you run them locally or on the mp server?
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20090224 21:00:06< grzywacz> Ivanovic, I'll think about it later
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20090224 21:02:58< Soliton> Ivanovic: sure.
20090224 21:06:22< Ivanovic> Soliton: can you register lobby at nickserv and make it identify itself?
20090224 21:06:55< Ivanovic> Rhonda: can you let wesbot identify itself?
20090224 21:07:00< Soliton> sure, will do.
20090224 21:07:19< Ivanovic> thanks
20090224 21:09:05 * loonycyborg along with shadowmaster is one of few people who bothered to register their bots :P
20090224 21:14:05< grzywacz> In SR wesbot registers you.
20090224 21:14:54< Ivanovic> wesbot is registered, too
20090224 21:14:57< Ivanovic> just not logged in
20090224 21:18:07< Ivanovic> Soliton: i can not request a cloak for the bot till it is registered
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20090224 21:19:56< Soliton> yes, yes, working on it.
20090224 21:21:18< Soliton> Ivanovic: done.
20090224 21:21:23< zookeeper> IMO balance changes (for default era units) should be listed out in full
20090224 21:24:47< zookeeper> well, not in the announcement. but i don't think an actual simple 1.4->1.6 changelog would hurt.
20090224 21:24:50< zookeeper> (no idea who'd do it ;)
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20090224 21:25:23< zookeeper> esr, i'd say remove the "There are two new units (Dread Bat and Royal
20090224 21:25:23< zookeeper> Warrior), and one new terrain (cave path).
20090224 21:25:28< zookeeper> " part
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20090224 21:27:03< Soliton> there is also tuxlobby and dicplobby from the alternate servers, btw.
20090224 21:27:23< Soliton> i guess we cloak them, too...
20090224 21:27:29-!- Ivanovic_ontour is now known as Ivanovic
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20090224 21:29:11< Ivanovic> Soliton: they are registered?
20090224 21:29:26< Soliton> Ivanovic: in a sec..
20090224 21:29:45-!- Ivanovic is now known as ivanovic_ontour_
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20090224 21:34:00< Ivanovic> cjhopman_: want a cloak?
20090224 21:34:07< cjhopman_> yes please.
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20090224 21:37:20< Ivanovic> Soliton: [21:37:04] [Notice] -NickServ- tuxlobby has NOT COMPLETED registration verification
20090224 21:37:58< Soliton> i know..
20090224 21:38:08< Ivanovic> okay
20090224 21:38:20< Soliton> Rhonda: i add an email address by addin an entry to aliases?
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20090224 21:40:22< silene> hi
20090224 21:40:37< Ivanovic> hi silene
20090224 21:41:42< silene> Ivanovic: i'm not sure if you received my msg this afternoon (no echo from the server, that was quite strange), but i'm interested in a cloak
20090224 21:41:51< Ivanovic> yes, i received it
20090224 21:41:55< Soliton> oh, i think i wrote it the wrong way around..
20090224 21:43:15< Soliton> Ivanovic: done.
20090224 21:43:24< Soliton> Rhonda: nevermind.
20090224 21:48:43< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: fine with me announcing now?
20090224 21:51:16< Turuk> I leave for two hours and my inbox seems to overflow.  Oh, to be loved (yeah right)
20090224 21:53:43< grzywacz> Ivanovic, um, sure. Feel free to cloak me with wesnoth.
20090224 21:54:02< Ivanovic> grzywacz: uhm, both accounts or which one?
20090224 21:54:41< Ivanovic> ah, okay, grzybacz is not even registered
20090224 21:54:50< Ivanovic> a non registered account can not be cloaked anyway...
20090224 21:55:59< grzywacz> Ivanovic, just me
20090224 21:57:34< Ivanovic> okay, requested
20090224 21:58:55< Ivanovic> happygrue: i have *not* requested the cloak for you so far since i did not know for sure if it was developer or translator
20090224 21:59:34< loonycyborg> happygrue == wintermute AFAICT.
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20090224 22:00:03< Mordante> hi Shadow_Master 
20090224 22:00:06< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: i know that he has done some translation stuff
20090224 22:00:18< Mordante> Shadow_Master does https://gna.org/bugs/index.php?13053 ring a bell?
20090224 22:00:19< Ivanovic> is he also dev?
20090224 22:00:30< loonycyborg> He's red on forums.
20090224 22:00:36< Ivanovic> ah, okay
20090224 22:01:41< Shadow_Master> re
20090224 22:01:41< Shadow_Master> hi Mordante
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20090224 22:04:32< sound_source> zookeeper: I am still waiting for you!
20090224 22:04:41< zookeeper> yeah yeah, but not here
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20090224 22:05:29< Ivanovic> happygrue: okay, requested this cloak for you: wesnoth/developer/wintermute
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20090224 22:06:09< zookeeper> oh btw, i think [kill] and [unit] should have keys to make the death or spawn be counted as a loss or recruit in the statistics. i'll probably file a proper FR about that one day.
20090224 22:06:18< Shadow_Master> zookeeper: not here! those sources you promised deserve to be mainlined!
20090224 22:07:58< Shadow_Master> there are many underground scenarios in mainline that could use them!
20090224 22:08:23< Mordante> night
20090224 22:08:47< zookeeper> Shadow_Master, not before 1.6 :P
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20090224 22:09:10< Shadow_Master> :-|
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20090224 22:09:34< Shadow_Master> >:-(
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20090224 22:11:45< Turuk> Given the recent discussion about religion and not taking a stance, but rather on a case-by-case basis, I just need a room consensus/opinion on the appropriateness of the following response if anyone can spare a moment
20090224 22:11:47< Turuk> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=341964#p341964
20090224 22:12:07< Turuk> Sweet, a cloak
20090224 22:13:00< noy> I don't have a problem in this case
20090224 22:13:42< Ivanovic> okay, all cloaks should be done now
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20090224 22:14:16< noy> I personally would draw the line on the religion in wesnoth as a difference between descriptive efforts and normative efforts (moralizing)
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20090224 22:15:34< Turuk> Hmm, a good point
20090224 22:15:36< Shadow_Master> uh?
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20090224 22:15:55 * Shadow_Master goes to hunt the religion thread
20090224 22:16:01< noy> although thats a pretty blurry line... I think on the broad ends it makes sense
20090224 22:16:06< noy> Shadow_Master: don't bother
20090224 22:16:13< Turuk> Personally, I think the user in question likes to pose questions just to be contrary
20090224 22:16:30< noy> True enough
20090224 22:16:30< Turuk> Like his whole debate on how evil the Queen really was in HttT
20090224 22:16:34< Shadow_Master> Orcish Shyde eh? <rolls eyes>
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20090224 22:16:41< ilor> Ivanovic: and so it turns out this whole registration and cloaks business can be done rather quickly :)
20090224 22:16:52< thespaceinvader> indeed, thanks Ivanovic 
20090224 22:16:55< Shadow_Master> I've had enough with him and the "I don't need to make my art mainline-quality nahnahnahnah"
20090224 22:16:59< Ivanovic> ilor: ask elias how long it can take
20090224 22:17:18< Ivanovic> he said it took a *long* time till it was done for allegro
20090224 22:17:39< Soliton> hmm, did everyone get a memo about the cloak?
20090224 22:17:45< ilor> maybe some of the freenode staff play wesnoth and we got a "favour" ;)
20090224 22:17:54< noy> brb
20090224 22:17:57-!- noy [n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy] has quit ["GO, GET TO THE CHOPPAH!!!"]
20090224 22:17:59< Shadow_Master> I did
20090224 22:18:02< Ivanovic> yes, everyone should have this
20090224 22:18:04< Soliton> ok.
20090224 22:18:05< Ivanovic> i got it, too ;)
20090224 22:18:17-!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090224 22:18:40< noy> back
20090224 22:18:50< Ivanovic> and watch your cloak!
20090224 22:18:57< Shadow_Master> noy: apparently your client doesn't authenticate you when connecting
20090224 22:19:01< noy> actually I don't think its working
20090224 22:19:05< noy> no, it doesn't
20090224 22:19:23< Ivanovic> noy: it is, just start a query and you should see your cloak
20090224 22:19:27< Shadow_Master> or if it does, it is doing it after/while joining channels
20090224 22:19:38< Turuk> yours works Noy
20090224 22:19:46< Shadow_Master> 18:19 -!- noy [n=Noy@d75-157-52-251.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #wesnoth-dev
20090224 22:19:49< noy> hmmm, its not showing for me
20090224 22:19:49< Turuk> It says Hostname: wesnoth/developer
20090224 22:19:55< ilor> a /whois works just as well
20090224 22:20:06< ilor> noy is n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy * Noy
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20090224 22:20:19< Ivanovic> Noy - n=Noy@wesnoth/developer/noy
20090224 22:20:40< noy> meh... anyway
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20090224 22:21:06< noy> Turuk: let me help you in that thread. 
20090224 22:21:15< Turuk> Thanks Noy
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20090224 22:21:49< noy> Turuk: there you go
20090224 22:22:05< Turuk> haha
20090224 22:22:15< Turuk> I had a feeling it would be along those lines, but it was needed, thanks ;)
20090224 22:22:42< Shadow_Master> nice
20090224 22:23:13< noy> Turuk, Shadow_Master; where is this whole art discussion? 
20090224 22:23:38< Turuk> On whose art?
20090224 22:24:42< noy> shyde's
20090224 22:25:00< Turuk> The female peasant bit? http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=24236
20090224 22:25:03< Turuk> Oh crap
20090224 22:25:06< Turuk> That's Lord Ork
20090224 22:25:08< Turuk> I get them confused
20090224 22:25:24< Shadow_Master> noy: spread amongst many threads.
20090224 22:25:31< Turuk> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23906
20090224 22:25:43< Shadow_Master> how lazy you can be: 
20090224 22:25:43< Shadow_Master> http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=24117
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20090224 22:26:46< Shadow_Master> he removed something from one of the first two posts ehre :-/
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20090224 22:27:11< noy> hmm?
20090224 22:27:13< noy> there we go
20090224 22:27:23< Ivanovic> so is it working for you?
20090224 22:27:27< noy> Colloquy apparently doesn't refresh 
20090224 22:27:32< noy> it does now
20090224 22:27:36< Ivanovic> okay
20090224 22:27:37< noy> thanks Ivanovic 
20090224 22:27:43< noy> my identity shall remain safe!
20090224 22:27:49< Ivanovic> :)
20090224 22:27:58< Shadow_Master> um, can it be that irssi also has cached the hostname then?
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20090224 22:28:10< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: okay, i will write the announcement now
20090224 22:28:26 * Turuk shall return.
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20090224 22:31:06 * Shadow_Master wonders why Ivanovic likes to put killall on ban and quit messages
20090224 22:32:36< happygrue> Ivanovic: correct, thank you
20090224 22:34:59< CIA-70> ilor * r33081 /trunk/src/editor2/ (9 files): tab style fixes
20090224 22:34:59< CIA-70> ilor * r33082 /trunk/projectfiles/VC9/wesnoth.vcproj: VC9 project update
20090224 22:35:20< Soliton> ilor: you can't get anything from the addon server, right?
20090224 22:35:35< Soliton> ilor: seems to be a windows only issue. maybe you can investigate.
20090224 22:35:43< ilor> I couldn't around the time zookeper said he had the issue
20090224 22:35:52< ilor> will check again now
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20090224 22:36:43< ilor> yeah, "Remote host disconnected"
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20090224 22:38:25< Noyga> thx Ivanovic :)
20090224 22:39:37< Ivanovic> Soliton: is the server already restarted for 1.5.11?
20090224 22:39:38< ilor> Soliton: I take it it works on a *nix?
20090224 22:39:44< Ivanovic> ilor: yes, it does
20090224 22:39:47< loonycyborg> Yes.
20090224 22:40:16< ilor> anyone have a clue when it stopped working? I haven't really used this bit for quite a while
20090224 22:40:38< Soliton> Ivanovic: i added 1.5.1*1.6* to the accepted versions.
20090224 22:40:51< Ivanovic> Soliton: okay
20090224 22:40:54< Soliton> ilor: not long ago.
20090224 22:41:03< Ivanovic> that is: are both, beta2 and beta3 allowed?
20090224 22:41:13< Soliton> yes.
20090224 22:41:28< Soliton> i will disallow 1_6 at a later time.
20090224 22:41:33< CIA-70> loonycyborg * r33083 /trunk/projectfiles/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Committed McShark's projectfiles update.
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20090224 22:41:43< happygrue> Ivanovic: as for my 'main task' it is just not to break anything ;)  I have only done minor changes and edits atm, mostly on the multiplayer side.
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20090224 22:41:52< Ivanovic> happygrue: okay
20090224 22:46:54< Ivanovic> everyone: please give the announcement some spell and grammar checking: http://www.wesnoth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=24247
20090224 22:49:57< Shadow_Master> ". If everything goes well, the new stable 1.6 line will be out soon, here"
20090224 22:50:06< Shadow_Master> s/soon\,/soon\;/
20090224 22:50:13< Shadow_Master> (IMHO)
20090224 22:50:34< Shadow_Master> "This release is really a bug stomping release." Redundat.
20090224 22:50:47< Shadow_Master> *nt.   "release" is used twice in the same sentence.
20090224 22:51:07< Shadow_Master> "feature complete"... shouldn't it be "feature-complete"?
20090224 22:51:31< Ivanovic> nah, feature complete works, too
20090224 22:51:34< Ivanovic> fixed the other one
20090224 22:51:49< Shadow_Master> "feature complete" looks awkward in middle of a longer sentence, given its structure
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20090224 22:52:43< Shadow_Master> "By now we are basically feature complete ". It looks to me at first like "By now we are basically feature; complete..."
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20090224 22:56:44< Ivanovic> okay, updated the frontpage, too
20090224 22:56:50< CIA-70> noyga * r33084 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog po/wesnoth/fr.po): French translation update
20090224 22:56:51< Ivanovic> crimson_penguin: ping me when the mac binary is ready
20090224 22:56:57< YogiHH>  /msg MemoServ READ NEW
20090224 22:57:55< Soliton> Ivanovic: now we can add "*!*@wesnoth/developer/*" to the access list of #wesnoth*, btw.
20090224 22:58:18< Ivanovic> yes, we can
20090224 22:58:20 * Shadow_Master goes to do that to #wesnoth-umc-dev
20090224 22:58:23< Ivanovic> but i won't do so right now
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20090224 23:00:13< loonycyborg> What access list means? Access to what?
20090224 23:00:27< Derekkk> I saw in the changelog that support for pythonAI has been removed. I wonder if it will be added back to wesnoth in future releases?
20090224 23:00:40< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: can you request the #wesnoth-es channel to be dropped?
20090224 23:00:53< Soliton> loonycyborg: /msg chanserv help flags
20090224 23:01:17< Shadow_Master>  /msg chanserv access list <channel>   to see the current ones
20090224 23:01:19< CIA-70> ivanovic * r33085 /trunk/ (13 files in 8 dirs): 
20090224 23:01:19< CIA-70> updated Czech and Turkish translation (also fixed the en_GB manual, not worth mentioning)
20090224 23:01:19< CIA-70> regenerated doc files
20090224 23:01:19< CIA-70> added/removed images for the Turkish manual
20090224 23:01:21< Soliton> Derekkk: probably not.
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20090224 23:02:00< Derekkk> oh.. that's a shame. I wrote an python AI for my campaign but I have never got the chance to try it out.
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20090224 23:03:06< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: is it completely unused now?
20090224 23:03:17< Shadow_Master> yes
20090224 23:03:41< Shadow_Master> 19:05 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Last used  : Feb 19 16:16:11 2006 (3 years, 0 weeks, 6 days, 05:47:23 ago)
20090224 23:04:41< Turuk> Yay, the dreamcrusher struck again
20090224 23:05:00< silene> does that mean the channel has been empty for 3 years? or does "used" means something else?
20090224 23:05:07< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: gone it is
20090224 23:05:15< Shadow_Master> IIRC "used" means "the founder has been here"
20090224 23:05:42< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: thanks
20090224 23:06:51< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: are you trying to remove my control over #wesnoth-umc-dev ?!
20090224 23:07:05< Ivanovic> why should i?
20090224 23:07:12< Ivanovic> i will just ask for founder access to all chans
20090224 23:07:38< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: well, just ensure they don't wipe out existing founders ...
20090224 23:07:53< Ivanovic> no, they are not wiped out
20090224 23:08:01< Shadow_Master> that is, I had enough with my account being nuked for 15 minutes and AI being promoted to founder...
20090224 23:08:04< Shadow_Master> ;-)
20090224 23:10:07< Shadow_Master>  /msg alis list #wesnoth*   has an interesting list
20090224 23:13:38 * Ivanovic feels so mighty now...
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20090224 23:21:57< Derekkk> according to the release note of 1.5.11, the python AI was removed because it causes a security breach
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20090224 23:22:08< Ivanovic> jupp
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20090224 23:22:32< Derekkk> I remember some time ago someone came and added some additional modules to the python AI. Is that what has caused the problem?
20090224 23:22:40< Ivanovic> no
20090224 23:22:52< Derekkk> because python AI has been sitting there for a long long time
20090224 23:22:54< Ivanovic> the problem is python in general that it was never meant for sandboxing
20090224 23:23:36< loonycyborg> But whether sandboxing is required in this case is arguable,
20090224 23:23:45< Ivanovic> loonycyborg: correct
20090224 23:23:46< Derekkk> so it's just the case that there has always been the problem but never discovered...
20090224 23:23:50< Shadow_Master> yep
20090224 23:24:01< Shadow_Master> but that doesn't mean there were no problems at all.
20090224 23:25:22< Ivanovic> to sum things up: there was no way to get malicious content affecting this problem via our addon server since python plugins need to be moderated first and none were allowed in *ever*
20090224 23:25:39< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: uh??
20090224 23:25:46< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: yeah
20090224 23:25:58< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: IftU 0.x for Wesnoth 1.3.x included a copy of the DiD kamikaze.py
20090224 23:26:06< Shadow_Master> so I do not rely in the "ever" part
20090224 23:26:13< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: uhm, really?
20090224 23:26:32< Ivanovic> then it was just fixed around (really early) 1.4 times
20090224 23:26:49< Shadow_Master> I am talking about around 1.3.9, indeed.
20090224 23:26:57< ilor> Soliton: it looks like a race condition of some sort -- when slowly single stepping through the send routine, I managed to get the correct dialog after clicking "update addons" (no updates found yadda yadda), but when I run it directly, it fails with the error
20090224 23:27:03< Derekkk> I am pretty sure I have uploaded my python file to the 1.5 server too
20090224 23:27:20< Ivanovic> Derekkk: but do users also get it when downloading?
20090224 23:27:28< Ivanovic> that is: which addon have you uploaded?
20090224 23:27:45< ilor> Soliton: I'm having difficulty understandig where and how the actual data is sent or received in the network code though
20090224 23:27:52< Derekkk> that I don't know since I have never tried downloading my campaing. Let me see
20090224 23:28:10< Soliton> ilor: check out r32989. i guess that change broke it.
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20090224 23:30:13< Ivanovic> anyway, it is time for me to head off to bed, n8
20090224 23:31:00< Ivanovic> Shadow_Master: and the spanis translation could make use of an update
20090224 23:31:02< Ivanovic> ;)
20090224 23:31:09< loonycyborg> Derekkk: Which addon you uploaded that contained python files(so people here could check it themselves)?
20090224 23:31:18< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: oh thanks. I forgot to commit
20090224 23:31:24< Derekkk> Ivanovic: yes the downloader gets the python AI file too
20090224 23:31:47< Derekkk> fiery menace
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20090224 23:33:30< loonycyborg> Indeed. That addon has file named patrol.py included.
20090224 23:34:32< Derekkk> should I be removing it?
20090224 23:34:52< Ivanovic> Derekkk: users from 1.5.11 onwards will not be able to make use of it anyway
20090224 23:35:52< Ivanovic> beside this you might be happy because in 1.7 we will probably add some "real" scripting support, silene has already written some patches for basic lua support
20090224 23:36:05< loonycyborg> Derekkk: If it doesn't contain trojans, no :)
20090224 23:36:39 * Shadow_Master kicks CIA-70 
20090224 23:36:39< CIA-70> ow
20090224 23:36:53< Derekkk> Ok. It's just a real shame at the moment coz tailored AI is not supported without python AI and formulaAI not really working at the moment
20090224 23:37:05< Ivanovic> looks like Shadow_Master knows his alphabet
20090224 23:37:09< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r33086 /trunk/doc/manual/images/es/ (4 files): 
20090224 23:37:09< CIA-70> Replace old 1.5.7/9 screenshots of titlescreen and MP menu with 1.5.11
20090224 23:37:09< CIA-70> (release) ones for the Spanish manual translation.
20090224 23:37:12< Derekkk> looking forward to some lua though, but that will mean more language learning
20090224 23:37:16< Ivanovic> since Spanish comes after Turkish, as it should be...
20090224 23:37:17< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: what?
20090224 23:37:28< Ivanovic> cf changelog entries
20090224 23:37:29< Ivanovic> ;)
20090224 23:37:36< Shadow_Master> Ivanovic: I thought they were ordered by time, not alphabetically, my bad
20090224 23:37:45< Ivanovic> no, alphabetically
20090224 23:38:11< Shadow_Master> notice that the rest of the changelog is ordered by randomness
20090224 23:38:29< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r33088 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): ... and I keep forgetting to update the changelogs in the same commit.
20090224 23:38:59< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r33087 /trunk/po/ (wesnoth/es.po wesnoth-manual/es.po): Spanish translation update.
20090224 23:39:37< Ivanovic> * updated translations: Czech, French, Portuguese (Brazil), Turkish
20090224 23:39:42< Ivanovic> this does not sound random to me...
20090224 23:40:02< Shadow_Master> I was talking about the *rest* of the changelog. Entries in other sections.
20090224 23:40:05< CIA-70> shadowmaster * r33089 /trunk/ (changelog players_changelog): Fix changelog entries order (must be alphabetical...).
20090224 23:40:07< Ivanovic> and the major topics are also alphabetically ordered
20090224 23:40:10< Soliton> wesbot: log r29964
20090224 23:40:11< wesbot> elias * r29964 : Removed scan for python files when uploading campaigns - this only was needed before the routing of python scripts through safe.py. Also removed the validation mechanism for python scripts - it never was used as far as I know.
20090224 23:40:12< Ivanovic> at least when i release
20090224 23:40:15< wesbot> URL: http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/wesnoth?view=rev&rev=29964
20090224 23:40:31< Shadow_Master> I am lately making sure the categories are ordered alphabetically at all times, indeed.
20090224 23:40:37< Soliton> i'll revert that commit then.
20090224 23:40:43< Ivanovic> yeah
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20090224 23:41:48< Ivanovic> okay, really off to bed now, got to get up "by far too early" tomorrow...
20090224 23:43:10< ilor_> Soliton: indeed, it was r32989. Reverting this commit (and making the conflicts compile) fixes the addons issue on windoes
20090224 23:44:24< Ivanovic> is it a visual c++ only prob, or is the binary affected, too?
20090224 23:44:58< Ivanovic> (since i am at least not able anymore to make it crash on linux)
20090224 23:45:08< Ivanovic> okay, really off now...
20090224 23:45:23< ilor_> Ivanovic: I got the same error when using a mingw binary
20090224 23:46:26< ilor_> Sirp: r32989 ("attempt to fix crash bug when cancelling a download") broke communication with the add-on server on windows 
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20090224 23:47:05< Sirp> ilor_: ugh...okay.....
20090224 23:47:16 * Sirp hates that code with a passion
20090224 23:47:22< grzywacz> %)
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20090224 23:47:59< ilor_> Sirp: after looking at it for a while I can begin to understand
20090224 23:48:02< loonycyborg> Sirp: Is that code for which boost.asio rewrite was worked on?
20090224 23:48:07< crimson_penguin> Ivanovic: it's up
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20090224 23:49:04< Sirp> loonycyborg: that is the code which I hope to do a re-write using asio to replace.
20090224 23:49:13< Sirp> ilor_: do you know which set of #ifdefs are used on Windows?
20090224 23:49:27< loonycyborg> #ifdef _WIN32
20090224 23:49:40< loonycyborg> Should work both with mingw and msvc
20090224 23:49:53< ilor_> that makes it define USE_SELECT
20090224 23:50:09< ilor_> and yes it's both msvc and gcc
20090224 23:51:29< ilor_> ok, WHY does fiddling with network*hpp result in recompiling bloody *help*.cpp
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20090224 23:51:47< Shadow_Master> because.
20090224 23:51:56< ilor_> it makes me a sad ilor
20090224 23:51:58< Shadow_Master> that's what I call "internal dependency hell".
20090224 23:52:02< Shadow_Master> I hate it.
20090224 23:52:04< grzywacz> because you need help when dealing with networking code
20090224 23:52:07< grzywacz> :P
20090224 23:52:24< Shadow_Master> nope! if you want to deal with networks you won't receive any help!
20090224 23:52:46< ilor_> file_menu.cpp depends on network code, too
20090224 23:53:07< grzywacz> ;)
20090224 23:53:16< CIA-70> soliton * r33090 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
20090224 23:53:16< CIA-70> Revert "Removed scan for python files when uploading campaigns - this only was
20090224 23:53:16< CIA-70> needed before the routing of python scripts through safe.py. Also removed the
20090224 23:53:16< CIA-70> validation mechanism for python scripts - it never was used as far as I know."
20090224 23:53:17< Shadow_Master> perhaps a *display.?pp -induced dependency?
20090224 23:53:18< ilor_> guess I found another one of the "rebuild EVERYTHING" headers
20090224 23:54:53< Shadow_Master> ilor_: remind me why the map size was limited to under 200x200?
20090224 23:55:26< ilor_> we needed a limit and that number was already used for a long time in the editor since 1.4
20090224 23:55:59< Shadow_Master> and my map is 202x(around 30) only because of the borders.
20090224 23:56:00< grzywacz> It's probably too big for AI to play on anyway.
20090224 23:56:03< Shadow_Master> :-P
20090224 23:56:26< Shadow_Master> it's a cutscene map, since the limit of 200x200 also includes the borders, it makes Wesnoth fail.
20090224 23:57:17< ilor_> I'm easily confused about the borders. I find them a bit counter-intuitive
20090224 23:57:23< loonycyborg> 200x200 cutscene map? Interesting..
20090224 23:57:45< Shadow_Master> loonycyborg: no, it's actually 200x(around 30)
20090224 23:57:55< ilor_> I guess the limit-checking in terrain_translation could take the borders into account... or just bumped to 250
20090224 23:57:59< Shadow_Master> but the borders add 2 additional hexes by x, making it 202x(around 30)
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20090224 23:58:21< ilor_> I tested the limits by creating a 200 by 200 map in the editor and making sure I can open it
20090224 23:58:46< Shadow_Master> but editor2 takes borders into account when creating map
20090224 23:58:56< Shadow_Master> my map was made with editor1 back in the 1.3.x days
20090224 23:59:11< ilor_> see, it's your fault ;)
20090224 23:59:25< loonycyborg> Can you handhack it to 198x30? :)
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